Grow or Go

Grow or Go

We talk about Surfing the Sigmoid Curve. Or in other words: how everything, and everyone will experience inception, growth, maturity, and finally decline. But how do businesses, products, or people continue to grow both personally and professionally? We interview founders, business owners, professionals, and growth-minded individuals who have found success. And they share how they made it happen. We have 1 rule. Don't. Be. Boring. Hosted by Chris Jones, CEO, and co-owner of the largest business brokerage firm in the US, and Matt Silasiri, VP of Business Development. https://www.tnma.com

Episodes

September 29, 2025 33 mins

We all have one thing in common: we are all aging, and there's no dress rehearsal for it.


Aging is unavoidable. In fact, the older population in the next coming years is going to double. A direct result of this will be the demand for services for the older generations like medical resources and services. Just like your exit plan, it's crucial that you know what your options are for your healthcare needs.


Charlotte Hoes joins the po...

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Winning a Superbowl is not an easy feat when you are competing against the top 1% of athletes in the world. For Ben Utecht and the Colts in 2007, it didn't come down to physical skillsets. It came down to the Championship Culture that Hall of Fame Coach Tony Dungy implemented within the team.


As a former NFL Tight End and current entrepreneur, Uncommon Award Winner, Chief Culture Officer, and so much more, Ben now spreads wisdom ac...

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Peter Beaumont is this week's special guest, and brings a wealth of global experience and knowledge when it comes to leadership. Whether it be scenario planning, supply chain planning, or critical culture implementation and creation, all companies either large or small need these top of mind.


Peter hails from England and played professional soccer in his time; soon after working for large companies such as Philip Morris, an...

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What's the future look like for business in Minnesota? Where are we at right now? Is your business ahead, or behind? Where are current investments in the state, and where do we need more of it? Minnesota Chamber of Commerce - President and CEO - Doug Loon joins Matt for a special episode all about Minnesota and what business owners need to know.


The future is bright for Minnesota, and we continue to dominate as manufacturers...

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Clarity. Alignment. Commitment. Every company needs these three pillars to be clear, defined, and understood. Without it, you won't be able to row in the same direction, and your success will be stunted.


Sam Smith, and Samantha Harris from The Prouty Project join us for Ep. 30. The truth is every company doesn't have it all figured out. Somewhere along the leadership, or structure, will be misaligned or confusing to emp...

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This week's episode is heavy. We are joined by Nicole Middendorf - a successful business owner and wealth advisor who has survived domestic violence, and completely reinvented her life for a purpose.


Nicole touches on the importance of understanding Why You Do What You Do. How you spend your time, how you build your business, who you do it with, where you do it, but most importantly Why You Do It. What's the reason why?...

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Living a life of significance, or with purpose is often overlooked by people. We get caught up running too fast with raising a family, building a business, a career, and often don't sit back and really evaluate why we do what we do. But what happens on your death bed? Will you be happy? Sad? Full of regret?


Jeff Gould, America's Storyteller, joins Chris for an honest conversation about living a joyful life, instead of running yours...

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We've had some incredible CPG foods and snacks that have been born in Minnesota. One of those is Maddy & Maize Popcorn. Do you ever wonder how businesses like this start and even reach the level of success they do? Tune in.


Brett Striker - founder of Maddy & Maize joins us and gives us his whole story of how Maddy & Maize started, from his apartment all the way to shelves on shelves of your favorite stores. Not ...

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This episode is the "behind the curtains" of Project Steel, a recent transaction that True North M&A successfully completed for the Sexton family. Craig Sexton, son of Fred Sexton (owner of C4 Welding) joins us along with Mike Wheelock (M&A Advisor and Business Broker) to explain the uniqueness of a speedy M&A transaction.


To learn more about this deal, check out our Case Study.


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Ever wonder what it's like to walk off the bus for boot camp?

Everyone who joins The U.S. Marine Corps goes through the exact same training. Whether your journey takes you by way of Parris Island or MCRD San Diego, your first encounter once off the bus has you standing on those Yellow Footprints.

Our special guest for this episode is Tim Rilley, who is a veteran of The U.S. Marine Corps, and author of The Yellow Footprints. Tim ...

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Here in Minnesota we have so many family owned and operated lumber and building materials businesses. They fuel our economy and support so many industries and other adjacent businesses. We are proud to help this industry and it's leaders continue to thrive, even through the ups and downs.

For you business owners in the lumber and building materials world, this podcast is for you. Emily Overson has been in the LBM industry for decad...

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It's a privilege to grow up with a strong and sound father figure in your life. But the truth is not everyone in this world is awarded that opportunity. It can hinder the growth of teens and youth in your community, but how can you help fix the problem?

The Man Up Club is a perfect example of being on the front lines and helping inner-city youth by influencing love, hope, and leadership. Korey Dean, the founder of the organizat...

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Hackers and security threats are more active than ever. AI only makes things easier for them, and as an individual, or business, everyone is at risk. Security hacks can be detrimental to your livelihood, your business, your employees, and your bank account.

Cybersecurity expert and owner of Cyberfin, Daniel Metcalf, joins us to explain the importance of your cybersecurity, what hackers are doing now, how you can be at risk and most...

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Learning what you are good at and focusing on that role is one of the best things you can do for your business. If you think you can do it all, your business will suffer. That's why it's critical to hire to your mission, vision, and have clear goals that everyone can shoot for.

We had the pleasure of hosting Heide Olson on this episode who is a serial entrepreneur, mom, EOS conqueror, and probably one of the most exciting accountan...

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Business ownership will never be easy, and thinking you can do it all and have all the answers is nonsense. You are digging yourself a hole when you don't need to. Ownership should be exciting, and give you freedom within your life, but to get there you need to have uncomfortable conversations.

Chad Haldeman of The Resultants joins us for an honest conversation about what has made business owners either fail or succeed. At The Resu...

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Business sales and ownership transitions start years in advance of a sale. Buyers approach you, your kids want to take over, but when the time comes, nothing is prepped and the sale often falls through. Don't allow this to happen to your business that you've built from the ground up! This is your legacy, and planning ahead will ensure you are successful.

If you haven't heard about Exit Planners before, this is your inside scoop. Fr...

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Steve Kalina joins Chris for an episode and talks all about manufacturing, workforce issues, tariffs, and what manufacturers can do to improve their business.

As the President of the Minnesota Precision Manufacturing Association (MPMA), Steve leads the charge bringing manufacturing leaders together across Minnesota. Through workshops, masterminds, events, and fundraising, MPMA is doing everything it can to improve the future of Man...

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Quality of Earnings, also known as Q of E, are crucial reports when evaluating a company's valuation and true earning power. Our President of True North M&A, Michael Hubsmith, joined Chris to interview Joe Hellman, of Redpath and Company.

What's the point of investing in another "valuation"?

Well, the answer is pretty simple. A Q of E completed from an outside firm justifies valuations when companies go to mar...

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The Sigmoid Curve is present in everything, including Country Music Artists, like Blaine Larsen. Blaine shares his story with us about how the music industry actually works as a young rising star, and how you have to navigate it if you really want to make it big.

It's not often that we meet award winning artists, or should I say, someone who wrote a song for George Strait! Blaine was a pleasure to have on and had quite the stor...

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Entrepreneurial blood runs through many families. Especially a family like the Biggs. What does it take to be successful? How can you make sure that your family will remain strong while going through the ups and downs of business ownership?

Chris hosts Colleen Biggs on this episode. Colleen comes from a family of entrepreneurs, and has made a stand in the franchising world helping owners launch Little Gym franchises nationally.

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