E44 -Psychic Medium Kelly Palmatier

Kelly Palmatier discovered her psychic abilities early in childhood, delivering one of her first message at just eight years old, but it wasn't until 2017 that her spiritual path took a dramatic turn. Sitting by a waterfall in meditation, she received clear instructions from Spirit to become a medium—a calling she followed immediately, channeling her first spirits within a month.

During our conversation, Kelly demystifies the often-confusing world of spiritual communication by explaining the fundamental differences between psychics and mediums. "Every medium is a psychic because they use psychic skills, but not every psychic is a medium," she shares, noting that mediumship specifically involves connecting with those who have crossed over. As an evidential medium, Kelly prides herself on providing specific, validating details rather than vague statements, ensuring authentic connections that bring genuine comfort to her clients.

The spiritual realm unfortunately attracts its share of questionable practitioners, and Kelly generously shares her expertise on avoiding scams. She explains the concerning practices of "hot readings" (researching clients beforehand) and "cold readings" (making educated guesses based on appearance). Her practical advice includes booking anonymously or through phone sessions to eliminate visual cues, and being wary of anyone claiming spirits are "stuck" or in distress—legitimate mediums understand spirits are at peace after crossing over. For those navigating the sometimes challenging journey from skepticism to spiritualism, Kelly offers techniques for requesting specific signs as confirmation when communicating with Spirit, creating a personal verification system that builds confidence in intuitive messages.

What happens when we shed our physical bodies? Kelly's experiences channeling those who've passed provide remarkable insights into the afterlife. She describes different vibration levels where spirits continue learning and growing, surrounded by love and support—even those who've taken their own lives. Perhaps most fascinating is her observation about those with Alzheimer's or dementia, whose spirits sometimes temporarily leave their bodies before physical death. Ready to explore your own intuitive gifts? Connect with Kelly for readings, group sessions, or personalized mentorship to safely develop your spiritual connections with proper grounding and protection techniques.

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Psychic Medium Kelly Palmatier has been connected to Spirit since childhood, delivering one of her first psychic message at just eight years old. Over the years, she deepened her abilities through mentorship, parapsychology studies, and decades of intuitive practice. After 20 years as a successful business owner in web design and marketing, she followed a direct calling from Spirit in 2017 to step fully into mediumship. Now, through Channeling White Light, she offers psychic and mediumship readings — both in person in Asheville, NC, and remotely — to help clients find clarity, peace, and connection. Passionate about service, Kelly has also been active in animal rescue and foster care, always driven by a desire to support and uplift others. 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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So today I interviewed KellyPalmatier.
Kelly is a psychic medium andshe has been connected to spirit
since childhood, delivering oneof her first psychic messages
at just eight years old.
So over the years, she'sdeepened her abilities through
mentorships, parapsychologystudies and decades of intuitive
practice.
After 20 years as a successfulbusiness owner in web design and

(01:32):
marketing, she followed adirect calling from Spirit in
2017.
We talk about that moment inthe episode and it was asking
her to fully step intomediumship.
Now, through channeling WhiteLight, which is the name of her
website and her company, sheoffers psychic and mediumship
readings, both in person inAsheville, North Carolina, and

(01:52):
remotely, to help clients findclarity, peace and connection.
She is passionate about service.
Kelly's also very active inanimal rescue and foster care.
We love that, and she's justalways been driven by a desire
to support and uplift others, sothat makes her a good guest for
the show for us, right?
So what do we talk about?

(02:13):
We talk about the differencebetween being a psychic and a
medium, and she's an evidentialmedium.
We talk about what that means.
We talk about the differencebetween the two.
She gives us some tips onavoiding scammy scammers out
there, some red flags.
We learn what a hot reading is,what a cold reading is.
For the record, you don't wanteither of those when you're

(02:34):
getting readings.
We talk about that.
We go over how in middle lifewe're tapping into our intuition
, how to better do thatdifferent signs, different
techniques you can use.
She talks about navigating kindof the weird shift when you
realize that normal doesn't workfor you anymore and you're
turning from skepticism tospiritualism.

(02:54):
We talk a little bit about that.
We go over the differentsessions she offers.
She connects with our pastloved ones, our ancestors that
have passed away.
So she gives us insights fromwhat she's learned from doing
this all these years.
Very interesting, A bunch ofgood stuff, you guys.
So let's jump in and let'sstart hearing all this stuff
that Kelly has to share with ustoday.
They told you all about Kellyand here she is.

(03:17):
Let me introduce you to Kelly.
Hi, Kelly, Thanks for beinghere.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm happy to be here.
Thanks for having me.
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes, I told everybody all about some of your
background and your information,and so we've got a couple
different things to go overtoday.
But the first thing I want totalk about is kind of your
personal spiritual journey.
I know this started reallyyoung for you, but I also know
that you had a moment rightaround 2017.
Does that sound right when youfelt like a calling to really

(03:45):
head in?
So if you want to give us justsome pertinent background on
your life, and then I reallywant to dig into what went down
in 2017.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, so well, I've been psychic pretty much my
whole life and, just to beclear, I think that everybody
has some level of psychicabilities.
It's just that some people havea more natural proclivity for
it and then others may activelywork at developing those skills.
But I've been psychic prettymuch my whole life.
I did actively work atdeveloping my skills,
strengthening them all.
Throughout high school andcollege I was very, very active

(04:19):
with my psychic work.
Then what does that look like?
What were you doing?
Yeah, so I was very interestedin psychic phenomena, so I read
a lot of books and I triedthings, I experimented.
I actually reached a point inhigh school where this was long
before the age of caller ID.
I would answer the phonegreeting my friends by name Okay

(04:40):
, you knew already.
So that was fun and, of course,my friends all thought it was
so cool and when you're ateenager, there's nothing better
than Okay, you knew already.
Year I studied at University ofKent at Canterbury in the United
Kingdom, and so when I wasthere, I took a course which

(05:07):
included some parapsychology andI ended up meeting my dear
friend and mentor, jo Wynn.
She's a very strong psychic inSussex, england, and she took me
under her wing and so shetaught me so much about working
with energy.
So, yeah, I just was veryactive with doing readings for

(05:28):
people and trying differentexperiments and really I could
feel, physically feel thestrength of my psychic energy.
Is pretty wild, that's awesome.
But then I ended up graduatingfrom college and this was before
the internet existed, and so ifI wanted to be a professional
psychic, it would have meanthaving a house by the side of

(05:52):
the road with a big neon sign inthe window.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, and a crystal ball and having people strangers
, just pop in.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, that wasn't me.
So I ended up going into thecorporate world and worked for
Delta Airlines for 10 years,started and ran my own web
design and marketing firm for 20years.
And then it was in 2017 when Igot a direct message from Spirit
.
I was sitting at the base of awaterfall and I was meditating

(06:22):
and praying and getting in touchwith nature and spirit and
talking to my loved ones who'vecrossed over.
Now, this was before I thoughtof myself as a medium, but I'm
just gonna ask anybody who's outthere, right?
And I asked for a sign.
I said you know, I wanna make adifference in the world.
If there's something I can do,some way I can help others,

(06:42):
something I can do that I'm notalready doing please give me a
sign and I'll try to listen towhat you say.
And boom, I got the answer justpopped into my head on the spot
that I should become a medium tochannel loved ones who've
crossed over.
And I was like, oh OK, I knewthat this thought did not follow

(07:03):
a normal train of thought forme.
I hadn't had anything thatwould kind of trigger it, but I
mean, I knew what a medium was.
I'd seen them on TV, but Inever identified as a medium
myself.
But I was just like, okay, howshall I do this?
And boom, I got a directmessage on the spot just popped
into my head read books, spendtime in meditation, connect with

(07:26):
other psychics and mediums.
So I started doing all of thatright away.
By the end of the month I waschanneling.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Wow.
So when you say it just came toyou like that, was it a voice,
was it just a feeling?
Was it a vision?
How did they come through foryou?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was a thought, a random thought popped into my
head, but I knew intuitivelythat this was not my thought,
because it didn't follow anormal train of thought.
I hadn't recently seen a mediumshow on TV in a long time, I
hadn't been reading books, Ihadn't been talking about

(08:01):
mediumship, I hadn't overheardanyone talk about mediumship.
Mediumship was not in my mind.
Doing psychic work for a livingwas not in my mind.
What was in my mind was I'vebeen doing this corporate thing
for years and I want to make adifference and I want to be.
You know, I was burnt out bythat time and I just I needed

(08:22):
something more and I felt likethere was something I meant to
do to help others in a big way,and I just didn't feel like I
was doing it yet.
So I was just asking forguidance and boom, that answer
just felt like the mechanism ofits delivery was like oh, I'm
having this thought in my head,but I intuitively knew that this

(08:45):
thought wasn't my normal brainpattern yes, and you were open
enough that you knew this wascoming from spirit.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So then you were talking to deceased loved ones
by the end of the month.
That was quick yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Okay.
Well, and I have to say I meanin hindsight, I realize that I
kind of had the ability in thepast, but it just, you know, my
perception of what a medium waswas so heavily influenced by
Hollywood.
It works that you know,basically, when you think about

(09:23):
Hollywood what a medium lookslike.
You think about the sixth sense, you know where the child is
seeing the dead people as fullbody apparitions, or you think
about Whoopi Goldberg in Ghostright, and you're hearing like
full sentences, just like youwould have a normal conversation
with another human.
And so I didn't have theseexperiences in my history of

(09:49):
seeing a full body apparitionwalk in and then having full
sentence conversations with it.
So I didn't think of myself asbeing a medium.
But in hindsight, I mean now, Irealize that there definitely
had been times when I perceivedspirit.
I think this is a good time totalk about the difference
between being a psychic andbeing a medium.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I was going to ask you, yes, like let's talk
psychic versus medium.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah Right, so a psychic is just somebody who
picks up on information outsideof the five physical senses,
whereas a medium is someone whocan use those skills to connect
with loved ones who've crossedover.
So a little fun fact everymedium is a psychic because they
use psychic skills, but notevery psychic is a medium

(10:36):
because they don't always usethose skills to connect with
loved ones in the afterlife.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Which category of people fall who channel not past
loved ones?
They channel other things.
They channel angel wisdom.
They channel your spirit guides.
They channel aliens.
I don't know whatever they'rechanneling.
Which category are they?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's a good question and I'm not going to
proclaim to be an expert in allthese other types of channelings
because I don't do that Right.
My assumption is that you haveto be able to be open to that
channeling.
So there probably is somepsychic ability involved with
those five physical senses, butI don't know.

(11:12):
I mean as long as they canraise their vibration and be
open.
Some people who channel aregoing to be a physical medium
where they may go into aphysical trance and have like
spirit sort of embody them.
They may go into a physicaltrance and have like spirit sort
of embody them and in that caseI don't really see that they

(11:32):
have a need for clairvoyance,for example because they're not
visually seeing something.
They're allowing that entity in.
So that's my best answer, but Idon't really claim to be an
expert in that.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, I mean because, basically, for any of this,
what you're doing is opening upand getting to the right
vibration to meet what you'rechanneling.
Yes, so obviously, if someoneis channeling angels, they have
learned how to meet angels attheir vibration.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
Yes, when I'm doing amediumship reading, I have to
raise my vibration and spirithas to lower their vibration.
Then we'll meet somewhere inbetween and then I pick up on
little tidbits, little flashesof information.
I convey that to my client andhope that it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, Are you seeing images Like are you seeing an
apple and things like that?
Are they words?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
The short answer is yes, I get a combination of all
of that.
So some psychics, some mediums,are going to be very strong in
certain skills and maybe noteven as strong in other skills.
For example, I can tell youthat I'm a fan of Tyler Henry,
the Hollywood medium.
He's got a couple of shows, oneon Netflix right now and one of

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the things that he, within thepast year, he posted on his
social media that he has thisartwork of all these different
little symbols, and so he showedhe held up to the camera, these
book, two pages of little iconsthat he had drawn or painted.
Because is he the scribbler?

(13:06):
Does he scribble?
Well, he's the scribbler,although, to be honest, I mean,
these are not scribbles, thesewere like nice little drawings.
Yeah, they look like adirectory of emojis and they
have different labels.
So, for example, he had listeda little image of a ladybug and
it said grandmother.

(13:27):
So he visually sees.
If he's, if he visually sees aladybug, then he knows that's a
symbol for a grandmother.
Well, what this did is itshowed me that, for Tyler Henry,
clairvoyance is going to be oneof his strongest skills,
because all of his symbols werevisual.
So, for me, I have tons ofdifferent symbols.

(13:50):
I actually taught a class on thesecret language of mediums in
Sedona but a lot of the symbolsuse different clairs.
So, for example, for me,clairsentience is one of my
strongest clairs and that iswell, both the feeling but also
the physical feeling.
So emotional feeling andphysical feeling, physical

(14:11):
feeling, okay, or clairsentience, and so for me I will
physically feel energy a lot oftimes.
That's going to be related tomy symbols, like if I physically
feel something on the side ofmy head in the temple area,
that's my symbol for a stroke,aneurysm or a blood clot.
Different mediums will usedifferent clairs and their

(14:33):
symbology, the language thatthey use to communicate with
spirit, is contingent upon theirstrongest clairs.
Now, in my case, I do have a fewdifferent ones.
I mentioned before I'm anempath, so I feel the emotions
of others.
I'm clairvoyant, so I do have afew different ones.
I mentioned before I'm anempath, so I feel the emotions
of others.
I'm clairvoyant, so I dopsychically see images, just not
quite as much as Tyler Henry.
I'm clairaudient, so I hearmessages.

(14:54):
Clairalliant, so I get psychicsmells.
Clairsentient, so I physicallyfeel the energy, and also
claircognizant, so sometimes Ijust know things you do.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And so you've got all your clairs open.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, I did not mention clairgouissance, which
is taste.
Oh, you don't have that, okay.
And so I mean there is onesymbol that I consistently get
that uses, but it's more like afuzzy taste in my mouth, which
is for someone who smokescigarettes or drinks a lot of
coffee or both.
But I don't get a lot ofdifferent tastes.
So it's not like oh, I'mtasting chocolate cake.

(15:29):
Did your grandmother alwaysbake chocolate cake?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do you think we all have the ability to tap into all
the clairs, but some are juststronger for us.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, I mean, when you think about it as individual
human beings, most of us haveall five of the physical senses.
Most of us have all five of thephysical senses, but not all of
us.
You know, we have some peoplewho are born deaf or blind and
certainly in the physical worldsome of us may really have very

(16:00):
strong, we may be very visuallyoriented or we may have a real
ear for things.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
And there are different types of mediums and
you're an evidential medium, sotell everybody what that means.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes, if you're going to see a medium, in my opinion
it's important that it's anevidential medium.
That just means that I pick upon details that help validate
that it really is the personthat you think is coming through
, the person that you want orwho is coming through.
You know, anybody can say, oh,I'm getting an older female and

(16:34):
she loves you so much and she'sproud of you.
Oh, I'm getting an older femaleand she loves you so much and
she's proud of you.
That's very general and it maybe accurate, but there's nothing
evidential about it.
And what we find is that if youbring through strongly
evidential information first,then when you get to the
messages of the heart she's soproud of you then it's really
meaningful.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yes, Because you're like nope, that was definitely
grandma.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, and so, like in my case, as an evidential
medium, I'll pick up on detailssuch as a spirit's appearance,
their personality, how theypassed inside jokes or family
memories, and I even get exactnames in about 60% of my
readings.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
So then we kind of know who you're tapping into.
And you had told me cause I hadmy combo reading with her
yesterday, you guys, from whenwe're recording this.
So I had people come throughfor me and all of that.
But you actually you do names,but you also they kind of tell
you a little bit how they passed.
Like you were saying, if youfeel something on the side of
your head, that's usually stroke, brain injury.

(17:40):
It's usually the way theypassed.
And so that's kind of how mydad came through for you,
because my dad had passed awayfrom a stroke.
And then you had said, did healso have heart problems?
And I was like, absolutely so.
No, these are the evidentialshe's talking about, you guys.
So it comes to with things thatreally she doesn't have a way
of knowing necessarily what thatis.
And she's a stickler, you guys,about not telling her stuff.

(18:02):
Let me just tell you because acouple of times I screwed up and
I was saying, yeah, yeah,that's Grandma Lucille, like,
whatever I would say a name, andyou'd be like I would ask that
you don't tell me any names,like, and I was like, oh geez, I
must have.
So she's, she doesn't reallywant you to tell her anything.
Okay, you don't have to revealthings.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know the thing is , I mean, if I, if I pick up
like, say, for example, thestroke and the heart, because I
picked those things up, you wereable to know, oh yeah, that is
my dad because those two thingsspecifically apply to him.
But if you had said, yeah, Iwant to talk to my dad, he died
of a stroke but he also hadheart issues Then I might get my

(18:44):
symbols for the stroke or theheart, but I'll say, oh yeah,
now I'm feeling the stroke, oh,I'm feeling the heart, and
that's good for me because Iknow I've got your dad.
But it's not evidential becauseyou said it first.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, and so that muddies the water for us when
we're having that trust andfaith in you.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
By the way, on a similar note, I would really
love to talk about hot readings,because a lot of times, if you
listen to any of the skepticsout there and they're always
warning people about how everymedium in the world is a con
artist and obviously I don'tbelieve that, but I do
understand that there are somewho are and anytime you have an

(19:22):
interview with someone like meand I think hope I am somewhat
compelling it kind of opens thedoors for others who may not be
legitimate but may be trying tocon people.
So I just want to take a littlemoment to talk about that and
say, like in my case, well, so ahot reading, that is the idea

(19:43):
that a provider could go andresearch you ahead of time.
So obviously that's a hotreading.
Okay, yeah, that's what a hotreading is when, when someone is
researched ahead of timewhether it's on Google or social
media or whatever researchingahead of time that's called hot
reading.
And obviously I knew your nameahead of time, so theoretically
I could have gone on andresearched these things.

(20:04):
So one thing to keep in mind ifyou're worried about that is a
lot of mediums myself included Iwill allow people to book in
the name of somebody else, soyou can have a friend book the
appointment for you.
So I'll never know who you areuntil you sit down in front of
me for your appointment.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, that makes sense, just to be sure.
I mean honestly, a lot of thisstuff for me, but this isn't the
same for everyone.
I don't have a lot of mypersonal life on social media in
that anyway, so no one wouldreally be able to tell me how my
dad died or any of that,because that's not something I'm
like.
I just have online all of thosethings, but a lot of people
share every little part of theirlives online, so then you would

(20:43):
be skeptic, yeah, and thatmakes sense.
Why we would question somemediums that don't do the
evidential part.
They're just spouting stuff offand it's like, okay, well, yeah
, of course my grandma loved me.
And it's like, okay, well, yeah, of course my grandma loved me.
Right, you know it's notspecific enough.
So no to that.
We don't want to get any hotreadings.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah.
So there's one other thing thatI want to talk about, and that
is what is cold reading, becausea lot of the skeptics will be
like, well, that's fine, but alot of these con artists will
use cold reading.
Well, cold reading is whensomebody throws out something
very general and hope that itsticks, or which obviously we've
already talked about that.
Or when they see you andthey're picking up on little

(21:24):
details and making guesses basedon your appearance.
So, for example, you know, Imight look at you and say, okay,
she's got blonde hair, verybeautiful, ages, very well.
So I might say, oh, I'm seeinga grandmother and in her prime
she had light hair and she wasso beautiful, even as she aged.

(21:45):
Or they might say, oh,somebody's got a beautiful
manicure and you can tell thatit's professional, so they spend
money, so they've got money.
So, talking about inheritance,you know, whatever you know,
people will see things and makeassumptions based on what they
see.
So if you're worried about coldreadings, one of the things
that you could do is you couldbook a phone reading so that the

(22:09):
provider doesn't even see you.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yes, because, for clarification, this does not
have to be done in person,because what you're picking up
on is the vibration and that'scoming partially from our voice,
right?
That's why it works on thephone, because I know a lot of
people say I don't trust itthrough a computer or on a phone
, like if they're not in theroom with me.
How is that real?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
So there have not been a lot ofscientific studies around how
this actually works.
So I can tell you kind of someguesswork, but nobody knows for
sure.
I don't necessarily think thatthe connection is from the voice
.
I think the voice is one of theways that you can connect with
somebody.
But if I see an image, aphotograph of somebody, I can

(22:53):
feel certain things about that.
If I hear someone's voice saysomething, I can feel certain
things about that.
If I hear someone's voice saysomething, I can feel certain
things about that.
Sometimes a name.
But you know, I've donereadings in the past where I
didn't hear people's voiceseither.
There was a service that Iparticipated in for a little
while where it was video calls,where people would log into the

(23:13):
system.
They had an account with thisparticular company and they
would log in and pay by thecredit card per minute and then
they would come to me.
They could see me, they couldhear me, but I couldn't see them
or hear them and they wouldtype in a chat window questions
and they would have like ausername and the username could

(23:35):
be any random thing, so Icouldn't see if it was a male or
female, I didn't know if it wasyoung or old, I didn't know if
it was in the U?
S or some other country.
There was nothing I could tellon this international site.
I could just see their questionand so I would just say, okay,
well, let me just tune in.
And for some reason I wouldtune in and I would get things.

(23:58):
I remember saying to someone oh, I'm picking up on a very
strong nurturing energy for you.
I feel like there are a lot ofkids around.
She's like yes, I'm akindergarten teacher.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, yeah Well, spirit's amazing right.
It's everywhere.
It knows how to get throughwhere it needs to get through.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Right, that I mean again, the skeptics might say
luck.
That's fine, I'll take it, I'mvery lucky.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, because we're talking about the skeptics right
now, during our spiritualjourney, making that transition
from being a skeptic tospiritual, because it can be a
tricky part of the transitionfor a lot of us, especially as
midlifers who already have a lotof limiting beliefs from our
religious background, the way wewere raised.
So when we're in this journeywe're kind of on that line

(24:41):
between skeptic and spiritualismuntil you finally make the jump
.
Is there a way to make thatlike easier, because it can feel
a little bit weird.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah.
So I think, growing up, youknow we learn to be skeptical or
to think with our logical mindsat least in a lot of cases
that's the way.
And you know we learn to beskeptical or to think with our
logical minds at least in a lotof cases that's the way.
And you know we hear phraseslike seeing is believing, but
one of the things that evenscience has shown us over time
is that seeing is not alwaysbelieving.

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We can't always trust our fivephysical senses.
You know I'm currently reading abook called Incognito by David
Eagleman, and it's reallyfascinating where he goes into
details about the way the brainis perceiving things and how
that can't always be trusted.
For example, you can perceivethings with your physical eyes,

(25:35):
but what really matters is theway the brain processes it, and
it's even been shown the firstblind person to ever summit
Mount Everest.
One of the things that he didis he had a brain port that
actually had this implant intohis brain, where he had
something on his tongue thatcould give him a sensory input

(26:01):
based on the visual world aroundhim, and he learned to be able
to see with that input.
So what's crazy is the brain isalways compensating and
learning how to perceive theoutside world, and the brain
makes all these shortcuts, andso there are different ways that

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we learn that what we're seeingin the physical world isn't
always exactly the way we thinkit is.
So what makes sense to me isfor us to say well, I'm going to
use this as a basis, aguideline, but I'm going to ask
myself my brain, but also myhigher self, what serves me best

(26:47):
.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And then we have to just trust that.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well you can trust, but you can also.
I mean, there are ways to kindof verify when you're working
with spirit as well.
So if you want, we can talkabout that yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Okay, because now we're kind of transferring into
trusting our intuition, tappingin and trusting it.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right.
And the first thing is that Iwant to acknowledge that, you
know, we can feel somethingintuitively, and a lot of times
it's going to be correct, butnot always, because, just like
with our physical sensesperceiving things not always
being exactly right, sometimesour intuitive, our emotional
senses may be influenced bythings that we don't necessarily

(27:27):
see.
So it does make sense to kindof have a check, checks and
balances in place, so like, forexample, here's, here's
something that I like to do.
If I am communicating with myguides and I'm asking for
guidance on something, I may say, hey, I'm thinking that I might
want to go to this conference,but it costs a lot of money and

(27:53):
a lot of effort and will this beworth it?
And so you know, I may askspirit this.
And then I feel like I'mhearing the answer and I'm, and
I say, okay, great, so it feelslike that's correct.
But how will I know for sure?
What sign shall I look for?
And when you're communicatingwith spirit, you can come up

(28:15):
with something.
You can ask for a particularsign, or you can ask spirit what
sign they want to tell you andkind of listen until you feel
like you've got an answer onwhat sign will confirm it for
you?
So, like this was a realexample where I thought about
this conference, what sign willI get?
And at the time I was in myoffice, which I rent a space

(28:36):
that's inside in the back of acool little hippie shop in
Asheville, north Carolina and soI said, all right, well,
conference, so three syllableword starts with the letter C.
If I go out into the shop and Ivisually see a written word
that starts with the letter Cand it's at least three

(28:57):
syllables, that's going to be myconfirmation that I got it
correct.
And I went out into the shopand I immediately found this
stone for sale carnelian.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
There it is, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
So you ask for a lot of signs too.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I ask for signs all the time.
I feel like I'm a person whoneeds a lot of signs and I
usually get them.
But yeah, it's so.
That's a good way to test ifyou're really talking to spirit,
if your thoughts are correct.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, there's a great book and the name of the book
is Signed by Laura Lynn, afamous psychic medium, and she
talks a lot about signs in amuch more in-depth way, and one
of the interesting things thatshe brings up is that you can
ask for multiple signs or doublesigns, and so, for example, a

(29:45):
lot of times people might have aparticular sign oh, I see a
cardinal, I think of mygrandmother, and that's
beautiful.
You know, I literally seecardinals and think of my
grandmother.
A lot of other people do too.
But, on the other hand, becauseI see a lot of cardinals and I
talk to a lot of dead people andI know that a lot of the

(30:06):
cardinals is a sign for a lot ofpeople.
I wanted to up the ante, have akindergarten that she ran and
she would have little red birdscut out and little black birds
cut out of paper, the shape ofbirds up on the wall, and they
would have the names of all thegirls on the red birds and the
names of all the boys in theclass on the blue birds.

(30:27):
So I decided to ask mygrandmother for a sign that
she's around that is, both acardinal and a blue jay at the
same time oh okay and so and Iand I got it.
So you saw both the birdstogether, or?
Yes, yeah, okay, there you goand that's not something that

(30:48):
you commonly see, but like inthat book signed by laura lynn
jackson, she, you know, youcould do some crazy things, like
a giraffe with the Eiffel tower.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, and just see if that comes about.
Okay, we're testing them.
They don't mind being tested,do they?
This red blue bird thing youjust said?
This is crazy that you saidthat because I have been getting
out my window where I record.
Here, I have a window and I geta lot of animal action.
We live by the river.
I get a lot.
I have been seeing tons ofcardinals and blue jays together

(31:23):
.
I mean, like all the time I canlook out in these trees outside
there and I can see a redcardinal and a blue jay and I
never before now, before thisspring, have never, ever seen
them together like that.
You're right, that's weird andit's funny that you said that,
because I'm seeing all the timeand just telling you about those
two birds, I got the chills.
So that means something for us.

(31:45):
I don't maybe I'm seeing them.
So I could tell you today thatthat grandma's right here at my
house hanging out with us.
I don't know but lots of twocolored colors of birds are out
and about.
So my grandma came through inour reading you guys too, and I
don't even know.
This is funny because I don'tknow why, whenever she's come
through in readings with anyone,she brings up these pearls, she

(32:07):
brings up pearls.
I don't have her pearls, likeshe had pearls.
Most of our grandmas had a setof pearls or something.
Right, that was a thing.
But I don't have them.
And I, for the life of me,trying to figure out why she
really she really wants to talkto me about these pearls.
So I got to figure that outnext.
But every single person saysthe same thing Pearls.

(32:29):
What's going on with the pearls?
I'm like I don't know, grandma,what's going on with the pearls
?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, you know, it's funny too because pearls, like
I've been, I've been doingmediumship work since 2017, as
we said, but pearls have notcome up very often for me and,
like you said, I mean, it's notthat uncommon of a thing for a
grandmother in our age range tohave pearls.
Yeah, most grandmothers, atleast in my experience, have not
brought it up.

(32:55):
So, you know, for you to haveall these mediums, it makes me.
The skeptical side of me wantsto say, oh, that's something all
mediums say, because mostladies of that age, you know,
would have had pearls.
Yeah, but I'm thinking I that'smaybe the second or third time
I've ever brought pearls up.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Pearl thing.
Maybe there's a symbol, is justpearls have symbolism.
I don't know.
I'm going to work on this pearlthing for you, graham, but if
you could maybe come to me in adream or something, let me know
what's coming out the pearlsthat'd be great.
Anyway, that was another thingthat came through.
So when I was with Kelly, wedid the mediumship part where we
connected with past loved onesof mine, and then, as part of
the combo she does like just apsychic reading and you can book

(33:35):
these separately.
You don't have to do both.
If you're just interested inone, you do one.
So for the other, we startedout with tarot, right?
So tell us a little bit whenyou're doing your psychic
reading Now, are you having toraise your vibes to meet with
anybody, or no?
Does this just start channelingthrough you, right?
So for tarot, I mean, I have toraise your vibes to meet with
anybody, or no?

(33:55):
Does this just start?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
channeling through you, Right?
So for tarot, I mean, I have toraise my vibration enough to
really be focused right and tokind of be open to getting
information from the energy asopposed to just reading the
cards.
So there is that.
Now it's interesting, you knowwhen you bring up the cards.
I like to just point out, youknow, tarot cards are just one

(34:16):
of many a long list of what wecall divination tools.
So tarot cards, a pendulum,palm reading, a crystal ball,
these are all tools that a lotof readers will use to kind of
get little clues aboutsomebody's life.
Lot of readers will use to kindof get little clues about

(34:37):
somebody's life.
But now in my case, wheneverI'm doing a psychic reading,
typically I'm going to use acombination of reading the tarot
cards and just tuning indirectly to the energy.
But I don't actually requirethe use of tarot cards.
I can do a full reading withoutthe cards at all, just by
tuning into the energy.
But what I find is that I enjoyusing the cards because they

(35:01):
will give a slightly differentfeel to the reading and they can
also kind of back up what I'mpicking up energetically or they
can kind of keep me in check.
So for example, like in my case, when I'm doing a psychic
reading, I start off tellingpeople what I'm getting directly
from the energy, withoutturning over a single card, and

(35:22):
then I'll lay all the cards out.
And so it's funny sometimes,the things that I have talked
about from the energy boom.
All of a sudden the cards arerepresenting that very thing.
So that's kind of interesting,the way the cards can kind of
put into writing what I'mpicking up energetically.
But also, to be fair, I like theway they can kind of keep me in
check.
So, for example, I might say,well, I'm picking up on a

(35:45):
masculine energy, but the cardscan show me, oh, it's the king
of air instead of the king ofwater.
So that means this is someonewho's going to be a little
harder to deal with.
Or the cards may say it'ssomeone who's, you know,
emotional, like I was feeling.
So the king of water, but look,it's in your past, it's not in

(36:07):
your future, you know, orsomething like that.
So the cards, kind of they,they back me up, but they also
keep me in check.
So I I personally, when I dopsychic readings, I like to use
both, but I don't require both.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
No, you can tip in whether you use the cards or not
.
But, like you said, it is veryinteresting too to see what
cards come up, and you do aspecial technique, cause you,
you touch each card at the verybeginning and then, okay, so is
it just when you're readingwomen, you pull out the four
Queens.
Would you fill out four Kingsif it's for men, or how does
that work?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
That's a good question.
So, yeah, so it's a little bitdifferent.
I've never seen any otherreader.
I learned this from my mentor.
I'm sure there must besomewhere people who do this,
but I'm the only one that I'veseen do this other than my
mentor, where I go through and Iindividually touch each card in
the deck as I get started.
And I do that for a few reasons.

(37:03):
One is it's an easy way topsychically clear the deck of
any energy residue left overfrom previous readings.
But it also gives me a chanceto pull out the four court cards
that I will offer to have myclient choose one of those four
court cards to represent them.
So yes, in the case of a femalepresenting as a female, then
I'll pull the four queens.
Male presenting as a male, I'llpull the four kings.

(37:23):
Now, in my case, I do allowpeople to specify their pronouns
when they book.
If they want to specify, theythem, in which case I'll say,
hey, do you want me to selectfrom the four queens or the four
kings, or we can put all eightout.
You can choose one of those,because people choose blindly.
So it's just kind of see whatthe energy has them.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Pull, yeah because we pulled the four queens and I
picked number three, and thenshe tells you all about what
that card means.
Then you go through each cardand kind of talk about what that
means One is future present, Idon't know through each card and
kind of talk about what thatmeans One is future present.
I don't know, I don't know allthe things about Tarot, but she
does.
So that's all we need.
But all right, so we go throughthat and then when we're done
with the cards during thatreading whether it's just the

(38:03):
cards with you guys or not thenyou just start tapping in right,
are you connecting with ourspirit team, your spirit team
angels?
Who's all coming in for?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
you, yeah.
So in that case I really justkind of opened myself up and so
I feel like, for the most part,I'm perceiving the energy of my
client.
But I certainly have had timeswhen I'm doing that, perceiving
the energy of my client, andthen I'll get a pop in from
spirit.
So so I know that just the wayI'm opening myself up does allow

(38:37):
spirit energy to come in and Ifeel like our spirit guides
could be at play.
But I don't have anythingevidential to confirm that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, no, she's a stickler for the evidential,
guys she's.
She's not going to throw stuffat you if she doesn't think it's
real.
Yeah, no, because you evendoing part of mine.
You held back a little bitbecause, like you say at the
beginning, I'm not going to tellyou anything.
She's not going to tell you,guys, anything that would be
negative to your life ordetrimental, or just in case

(39:07):
anyone out there is scared,you're not Guess what You're
going to die in six months.
There's none of that going on.
You guys.
She's not telling you that.
She's not going to say, hey,guess what I am getting?
That you need to divorce yourspouse.
No, those aren't the thingscoming through.
They're beneficial for us.
Now.
And I had someone come throughand you weren't sure if I would
want to hear from that person ornot.

(39:29):
So you were like, well, I don'tknow if I should filter this
out or not.
So you do a little filtering,right, if you feel so inclined.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And so there are two different things that I want to
talk about here.
So when you, I remember thatsituation where I did I didn't
exactly filter it, but what'shappening is in my mind I'm
communicating back and forthwith spirit and I'm asking is
this right?
Is this right, do we want tosay this?
Yes, no.
And so what happened with thatone particular spirit was based

(40:01):
on a previous conversation.
You and I'd had my Kelly brainthought oh, I don't know if she
wants to hear from this person,and so I just kind of said, oh,
is this appropriate?
And it was like, oh, that's notquite right, all right, well,
I'm not sure about that.
And then I heard from somebodyelse, so I just went on, yeah,
so we moved on, and then I cameback to it, you were like, oh, I

(40:23):
wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
And I was like, oh, no, no, no, that's a different
person we were talking about.
Yeah, yeah, no, I want to hearfrom that one, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
My point is, I didn't exactly filter it, I'm just
kind of feeling for is it rightor not?
But now I do want to talk abouthow that applies to the psychic
readings.
So, whether I'm doing psychicwork or mediumship work
basically anything I do I workin the realm of light.
So, yeah, I ask for onlypositive messages that serve

(40:52):
highest good.
Now, that actually doesn't meanthat you won't hear anything
bad, but what it means is youwill only hear something bad if
there's a benefit to you to knowit If it's in your highest good
and you're ready for it.
Yeah, if there's some benefitthat you need to hear this.
I mean, I always ask that eachperson hear exactly what they

(41:13):
need to hear that serves highestgood Doesn't necessarily mean
it's what they want to hear, butwhat they need to hear that
serves highest good.
So it could be that somethingchallenging, you know, use the
example of you know leaving yourhusband.
Well, you know, that's a reallybig decision and I'm not the
one to make that decision, youknow you are.
I'm not the one to make thatdecision.
You know you are.

(41:34):
But if I'm getting somethingwhere staying with your husband
is detrimental to you, I mightsay what serves highest good.
So I might say something likeoh, I'm feeling a heaviness
there, you know.
It's time for you to askyourself if you're in the right
place for you.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, so it's all about where you know how to word
these things too, but also Iwant to point out, like, for one
thing, I don't predict death.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's just my general policy.
But as far as, like you know,in some cases there, let's
imagine for a moment what ifthere were some terrible,
challenging situation coming upfor you but there's absolutely
nothing you can do to change it.
There's absolutely no benefitin your knowing ahead of time.
Now, in those cases, I ask ourspirit guides to not even show

(42:20):
me.
I'm not going to hide anythingfrom anybody, but I'm going to
only present what serves highestgood.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yes, you're saying you only deal with white light.
No one ever comes in, then thatisn't meant to be there, right?
Any dark energies?
How do we feel about darkenergies?
Do you have any experience withthem?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, so I do have some experience.
I've actually I taught a courseat the Oregon Ghost Conference
about psychic protection, so Iknow a little bit about them.
But basically, anytime I'mdoing a reading, I am going to
work only in the realm of light.
I'm going to surround us in abubble of divine white light
protecting us.

(42:58):
I'm working with angels andspirit guides to maintain the
protective barrier, so no heavyor dark energy is ever going to
come through in any of myreadings.
Now, having said that, when I'mchanneling, I ask for spirits
of high vibration or benevolentintent, so technically you could

(43:21):
have someone of low vibration,but as long as they mean well,
I'm okay letting them talk, andthere have.
In fact.
There was one case inparticular where my client
specifically wanted to speakwith a murderer who had murdered
someone that she loved.
Okay, and so they came through.

(43:42):
He did, he did come through.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Because he would.
He was able to come throughbecause he was not harmful.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Because he came through with benevolent intent.
Benevolent intent.
So he was like, yes, I'll talkabout it, yes, I'll own up to my
actions, yes, I will you knowexplain why I did what I did.
I know it was wrong.
I'm, you know, learning andgrowing on the other side.
So he was low vibration, butbenevolent intent.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Okay, and what's your take on?
Because you've talked to, youknow, a lot of deceased people.
Do you think then, the lowvibrating people on the other
side, is it more lives that getstheir vibes up, because they're
still going to ascend at somepoint, right?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, so I believe that there are different levels
in the afterlife.
I'm not an expert, right,Nobody again with the evidence.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
For sure, yeah, Nobody again with the evidential
part.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Nobody can really prove these things, but we can
just say that, based on theexperiences of people who've had
near-death experiences, andthen, of course, people like me,
where I'm channeling spirit anda lot of times I have my
clients will ask their lovedones well, what's it like?
So, based on that information,my personal belief system is

(44:55):
that we do have different levelsand I believe that when people
first transition, they come inat a certain level and they are
learning and growing andtransitioning.
That's actually one of thereasons why I tend to recommend
that people wait six monthsafter somebody passes before
they get a mediumship reading.
People wait six months aftersomebody passes before they get

(45:16):
a mediumship reading.
That's not a firm rule, but Ihave had it happen where people
who are newly crossed over maystill be kind of transitioning
in such a way where it's not aseasy for them to come through
right away in a strong,evidential manner.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yes, because that gives them time to.
They got to settle in, right?
Maybe I don't know, Do wereally know, but it sounds like
they might need to settle in.
So don't be discouraged.
If you go to a medium rightaway and they're not coming
through, they're okay.
They're okay, you guys, They'llcome through for you later.
Don't get nervous.
Do you have to be?
You have to open to get thesemessages.

(45:50):
Are you ever just randomly atthe dentist office and someone's
like yeah, can you tell herblah, blah, blah Does that?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
happen for you?
Yeah, that's a good question.
So in professional mediumshipcircles a lot of mediums kind of

(46:18):
frown on the idea of going upto a random stranger and
delivering a message, and that'sthe reason is because you know
a lot of people will talk abouthow it's unethical to kind of
tune into somebody's energywithout their permission to
fight that.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Now, obviously we know there are some okay one in
particular big name televisionmediums that does this, but we
don't know what goes on behindthe scenes.
It very well could be that thisperson had signed a release and
been okay with it and it justdoesn't look like you know.
It looks like she's walking uprandomly.

(46:45):
So but in the real world, thenon-television world, a lot of
mediums will say you know, youreally shouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
And well, even if you don't go up and talk to them,
does it come through to you?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yes.
So in my case, I don't getrandom messages for random
strangers when I'm just outgrocery shopping or whatever.
However, I have had thingshappen before when I'm with
somebody and I'll get somethingwhere you know where we're

(47:21):
interacting and it's not like atotal stranger, and I'll pick up
on something and then I'll feellike, oh, I feel like I should
convey this, but what I do isI'll ask them hey, is this
something that you want to hear?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, you know so that has happened before.
And more than likely they'regoing to say yes, like if you
asked me, I'd be like yeah, Igotta know That'll eat at me if
I don't know what, who's aroundand what they want from me.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
You also want to be aware of that.
If somebody approaches you, ifsomebody approaches you, that
actually can be a red flag,because when you think about the
con artists, they don't havethe reputation, they don't have
all these people referring themas repeat customers and that

(48:07):
sort of thing.
So a lot of times they're oneand done customers.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
They just want to quick make their money.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, the one and done customers.
They just want to quick maketheir money.
Yeah, yeah.
And especially if you ever havesomeone come up and claim that
they're getting some message foryou and their spirit is in any
sort of distress, that's a redflag.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
No, no, Because we're not in distress on the other
side.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Oh your spirits are angry with you.
You need to get a reading withme to fix it.
Oh, your spirits are stuck.
They need help crossing over.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
No, no, no scare tactics, or that's probably a
scammer, because do you think,have you ever encountered any
spirits that are stuck?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Or is that just a movie thing?
Yeah, so I'm not an expert onthis and obviously, since I work
only in the realm of light,that's going to prevent that
exposure right.
But what I will say is I'll goback to that feeling of levels
and there are spirits that are alower vibration in the
afterlife and they're still kindof transitioning.

(49:05):
I see this, for example, forpeople who have taken their own
lives right and you know, that'skind of there's some religious
superstition around thatreligious dogma that says you
know that they're they're goingto be in purgatory if they, and
that's, in my experience, notaccurate.

(49:28):
But I do feel that for peopleto take their own life, the the
transition period that they gothrough does to seem to be a
little bit longer.
They're definitely settingthemselves back in the learning
and growing that they went toearth to achieve.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Okay, but they're still fine.
You guys, if you know anyonewho has taken their own life,
they're beautifully on the otherside.
They're back in God's love.
This is my belief.
They're back in God's love,everything's fine, right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
absolutely, and they're surrounded by other
loving spirit guides you know,to get them through this.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yep and then raise them back up.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
The family, loving family, angels, spirit guides.
They're surrounding them andsupporting them, yes, and
through a difficult transition.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Here's my opinion.
This sounds like this might beyour opinion too there's no
burning in hell, right, right?
Everyone I've talked to saysthe same thing, so I just want
to double check with you.
But forever all my skeptics outthere like, of course there's
hell.
No, there's not hell.
I think we're in it right now.
Honestly, earth it's calledEarth people.

(50:36):
Okay, so that's good news.
Are there any other interestingthings that you've learned from
talking with those who'vecrossed over that stand out in
your head like informationyou've received over all these
years?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
That's a difficult question to answer, you know.
I mean, the nature of theafterlife in and of itself is
pretty wild to understand.
Now here's something that a lotof people I have not heard talk
about, but I find this veryinteresting and I have learned
this from channeling.
It's not related to theafterlife, but it's related to

(51:11):
people who are living here inthe physical world, but they may
be experiencing Alzheimer's,dementia, cognitive decline.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
And what I find is that they are not stuck in their
physical bodies, that they canactually.
They have times when theirspirits kind of pop out of their
bodies, Because there have beentimes where I have channeled
living people who haveAlzheimer's and it's happened
multiple occasions.

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So it's really surprised me.
Before I was a medium, I didnot know that that was the case.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know what, and that makes sense because I feel
like the veil is very thin.
I've heard that aboutAlzheimer's, dementia, those
kinds of things, and also thosewho are near death in a hospice
situation.
As they get closer to thatmoment, I feel like things get a
little bit thin because I haveheard that people have channeled
through people who are veryclose to death but they haven't

(52:12):
crossed over fully yet.
But the veil is so thin thattheir spirit can start
communicating.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I was there around the time of my sister's passing
and this was before I was amedium.
But I remember walking in toher hospital room with my
brother-in-law and I looked overat her and I instantly knew and
I said to my brother-in-law Isaid oh, her spirit's not in
that body anymore.
Her spirit's already out.
Yeah, it's just a body.

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And then we went on our way andwe were doing some funeral
planning and we got a callwithin the hour that she had
passed.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yep, right there.
Yeah, it's hard to wrap ourbrain around all that, but all I
really need to know is all goodon the other side, you guys,
there's nothing to fear.
We don't need to fear any ofthis at all.
It's all going to be.
It's just beautiful and lovely,and we can still find someone
like Kelly to communicate.
I plan on finding every mediumthere is to communicate with my

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people if I cross over.
Be ready, kelly, I'm coming forall of you.
I'm going to be like no, I needto talk to some people.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Cool story about that .
Actually, when I'm doing myremote readings, I actually
video record them, and I caughtthis one on recording, so it's
live on my YouTube channel.
One of the excerpts that I havelisted is this client of mine.
I had been channeling hergrandmother and she said you

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know, when my grandmother was inher final days, she kept seeing
saying that there was a womanthat was there with her, but
because of her inability tocommunicate clearly, I couldn't
really understand who that was.
And so my client asked me canyou say, can she tell you who
that woman was?
And I said, as soon as you saidthere was a woman there, in my

(54:00):
head I instantly heard Rose andmy client's like that was her
sister, oh, she was with hersister.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Okay, rose was there to help her cross over.
I love that, yeah, I love thatidea that all the people we love
will be there to help ustransition over, yeah, and that
we'll be there for them and thenext people that transition over
.
I don't know, it is a lot towrap our brains around, but I
love all of it.
So, for you guys listening outthere, if you're thinking about

(54:28):
getting any type of reading,okay, you've got the mediumship,
you've got the psychic.
Do you have anything else thatyou're offering online right now
?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So those are the most popular ones.
Okay, I do a little servicecalled Psychic Development
Mentorship and that is where Iguide people how to develop
their own, develop or strengthentheir own intuitive abilities.
Okay, and that's a one-on-onething Interesting.
Yeah, it's one-on-one.
So basically I talk to myclient about where they're at in

(54:59):
their journey.
It could be that they're justhaving some intuitive abilities
and want to kind of understandit more.
Or it could be that they arehaving full-blown psychic things
and and want to build abusiness, or it could be you
know they're, they want todevelop their skills more.
So there are lots of different.
Like, wherever you're at inyour journey of development, I

(55:20):
can be there with you and guideyou through that.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
And give you like homework and assignments and
ways to really open up andfigure out lots of things that
you can do.
Cause you kind of kind of I'massuming you'd probably have to
almost make your own littledictionary, Like, when I see an
Apple, it's a, you know, likecommunication, yeah, so you need
a glossary.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That one is a little bit farther along when you're
talking about the symbolsbecause, like usually, I'll
start off.
I want to make sure people arestrong with their grounding and
their psychic protection, theirpsychic cleansing, all those
things that you need to have thebasic foundation before you get
involved in this sort of thing.
This is why we tell childrennot to play with a Ouija board,

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not because a Ouija board isn'treal.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
No, you just said that Ouija board just popped in
my head to ask you about, andthen you said Ouija board.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, oh, my goodness Kelly.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
So Ouija boards are a no for you.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
So Ouija boards they do work.
They're a valid tool and theydo work, but I don't recommend
that people use them becausemost people who use them don't
have the experience in thegrounding and the cleansing, the
psychic protection, and sowhat's happening is you're

(56:36):
you're dealing with lowvibrational energy.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Okay, so they're lower vibe.
That's why they're able.
That's why they need the Ouijaboard to come through, because
they're on a lower vibe thanmost of us.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not .
I wouldn't say that that's whythey need the Ouija board, but I
feel like when you're dealingwith the Ouija board, you're
more likely to get lowervibrational entities because
you're more likely to be in thatlow vibration space.
You're the user, you'rematching with them.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Okay, it's about our vibration matching with theirs.
Like you said before, we got toraise up for the higher ones,
okay, so we don't want just waitguys out there.
We probably just don't want tomess with that.
Okay, use, grab the pendulum.
There's other things you can do.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Don't go.
I mean like, regardless of whattools you're using, it's good
to implement good psychicgrounding, psychic cleansing,
clearing, protection.
You know, you need to know thebasics of how to protect
yourself before you startopening up a portal.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
Okay, so you got all kinds ofstuff you're offering.
I've got all our links forKelly in the show notes.
So if you're interested, ifyou're listening to her and she
seems to be resonating with youwhether you just want a reading,
either type of readings, oryou're ready, maybe you are
starting to tap in and you'restarting to get things coming
through and you want to develop.
That Sounds like she's a goodperson for that too.

(58:02):
Okay, we got all kinds of stuffgoing on with Kelly.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I forgot to mention I also do group mediumship
readings.
Oh, okay, so you know you canhire me for a small group, like
a family.
We can do it either in personor online.
So like a Zoom you could do,like a what?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
like a Zoom call with everybody.
Yeah, yeah, because we wouldn't, because then they wouldn't
even all have to be in the sameroom.
Right, everyone would tap intothe same Zoom meeting.
You could have a.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Zoom call with a dozen people on Zoom from all
over the world for your family.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Perfect.
Okay, that's a good idea, andis there a link to that specific
service, or do they just sendyou a message?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
You can book it right on my website.
Group mediumship reading Yep, agroup reading Okay, very cool,
and I also do lots of in-persongroup readings.
I actually like to donate groupmediumship readings as
fundraisers for nonprofitorganizations.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Oh, that's really cool.
Yeah, I like that, and that'sin person.
You do those.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yes, in person.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
You're in.
Is it Asheville?
Yes, asheville, north Carolina,north Carolina.
So anywhere in Asheville, thereyou go and she travels, okay.
So if you're anywhere in thatvicinity, that might be a cool,
that might be.
That sounds like a really fun,like girls night even, to have
you come right with a group offriends.
Yeah, okay, I like the sound ofthat.

(59:19):
That's not overwhelming for you.
That sounds overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
It takes a lot of energy.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, it's a lot of energy, so like if.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I'm doing a group reading.
I'll block the entire day.
I'm not going to do any otherreadings in the day.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
No, because you're going to have a lot coming at
you, and then it's sorting outwho they're coming through for.
All right, well, this has beenreally awesome, kelly, thank you
for all this information.
So if you guys hopefully, themore you guys hear about these
things, you're less skeptical,you're ready to move into that
openness that allows you tostart exploring some of these
things.
This is part of our personaljourney.

(59:52):
These readings are a big partof it is what I think.
All right, well, thanks, kelly,this has been amazing,
absolutely.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
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