E49 -Burnout Cure: Reclaim Your Energy and Thrive with Cindy Meckler

Are you caught in a cycle of endless hustle, feeling disconnected from yourself and struggling to remember why you started your business in the first place? You're not alone. The burnout epidemic is hitting midlife women particularly hard, but energy expert Cindy "Cin" Meckler offers a revolutionary approach to breaking free.

In this transformative conversation, Cin shares her personal journey from medication-dependent burnout to becoming a multidimensional energetics expert who helps women leaders reconnect with their body's innate wisdom. She reveals the subtle, often missed signals your body sends when you're approaching burnout—like mental fog, emotional sensitivity, and that feeling of being completely checked out during conversations. These aren't just annoyances; they're your nervous system screaming for attention.

The beauty of Cin's approach lies in its practicality. Her Three-Breath Reset technique can provide immediate relief in the midst of chaos, while her insights on breaking technology addiction and setting boundaries offer sustainable solutions for the long term. 

For women entrepreneurs, Cin challenges the belief that success requires constant availability and hustle. By tapping into your intuition rather than following someone else's blueprint, you can create a business and a life that thrives with less effort. Those transition periods when clients seem to fall away? They're not failures—they're making space for aligned opportunities that match your evolving energy.

Whether you're battling burnout, seeking to reconnect with your intuition, or simply curious about how energy work intersects with business strategy, this episode offers practical wisdom for reclaiming your vitality. Because as Cin beautifully reminds us, "It takes courage to open the door to a new version of yourself, but time is all you have. It's okay to reinvent yourself over and over—that's what you're here to do."

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Cindy Meckler is a Mind-Body-Spirit Energetics expert, modern psychic, and speaker who’s helped over 200 business owners move past frustration and stuckness by reconnecting to their body’s wisdom. Her clients call her work “transcending”—because she doesn’t just shift energy, she sparks deep reconnection. Cindy helps you clear the noise, trust your gut, and grow a business that’s as powerful and authentic as you are. She helps you drop the burnout and create success that feels aligned, effortless, and deeply fulfilling.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey friend, welcome to the halfway to dead podcast.
I'm your host, Jen Lovell.
Listen, you and I have reachedthat age where we are done with
the bullshit.
We know that midlife is ourchance to flip the script and
experience life on our own terms.
It's time to reconnect with ourhigher selves and reclaim our
inner peace.
Are you ready with an openheart and an open mind?

(00:26):
Awesome, you're in the rightplace.
Hop in and ride shotgun with meon this midlife spiritual
journey.
Hey, hey guys, jen back with you, and today I interviewed Cindy
Meckler, or Sin as she likes tobe called.
We're buds, so I, you know Icall her Sin in the interview.
Honestly, you can too, sothat's primarily what she goes

(00:47):
by.
So Sin is a mind, body, spirit,energetics expert, a modern
psychic and a speaker who'shelped over 200 business owners
move past frustration andstuckness by reconnecting to
their body's wisdom.
We've been talking about a lotabout this body's wisdom lately,
haven't we?
She says.
Her clients call her worktranscending, and I would agree.
I think this work is for suretranscending, because we're not

(01:11):
just shifting our energy.
She helps us spark a deepconnection.
All right, she helps us clearthe noise, trust our gut, lead
our life and our business thatcan be as powerful and authentic
as we are.
She helps us drop the burnoutand create success that feels
aligned and deeply fulfilling,and that's primarily what we
talk about today is this burnoutcure, and as midlifers, we know

(01:33):
what burnout feels like.
So we talk about, like, a lotof the hidden ways it can
manifest in our body, like howcan we tell if we're in burnout
mode?
And then, once we've identifiedthat, what the hell do we do?
Right, she gives us sometechniques and different things
we can do, and part of thatincludes you guys.
Hey, a little bit of sex.
Yeah, I'm just gonna say it.
We go there, so listen for that.

(01:54):
And then we talk about all thesestupid cycles.
As women, sometimes we getstuck in these imbalances with
our energetics and our emotions.
We talk about the differencebetween men and women in
business, how we don't takeenough time for ourselves.
We feel like we have to go, go,go.
We don't permit ourselves thatdowntime, so we talk about that
and we really just talk about anew way of living and working

(02:15):
that's going to feel aligned,fulfilling and sustainable.
It has to be sustainablebecause, just like the fad diets
and everything else.
Sometimes, yeah, we get excitedabout something, we do it for a
week or two.
No, we need stuff that we cancontinue on here for the rest of
our lives.
Right, finish strong, finishstrong, you guys.
I can't wait for you guys tohear this conversation we have.
Oh, and, by the way, she's gota free gift coming at you just

(02:38):
for our audience.
She's got this free 25-minutecall and this is not just your
typical like business call whereshe's just trying to, you know,
hook you in for the rest of ourservices.
Anyway, let's jump in.
I can't wait for you to heareverything that Cyn and I talked
about today.
Hey, cyn, thanks for being heretoday with me.
I'm excited, I'm so excited tobe here with you.

(02:59):
It's taken a minute for us toget together.
You guys, we've had stuff ineach of our lives and finally
we're together.
You say that you are amultidimensional energetics
expert.
What does that mean?
Tell us what that means.
Yes, of course.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So I know the the big word multidimensional can be a
little bit like wait.
What is that so?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
what I mean by multidimensional.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
By multi-dimensional is blending in your spiritual
gifts with energy work.
That maximizes the results thata client can receive when
they're experiencing energy work.
So you've heard, probably,about Reiki, energy healing.
Now, when we blend yourchanneling abilities which, by

(03:42):
the way, everybody can learn todevelop, you 10 times your
client results.
So that's why my clients havealways shared with me how
transcending this work is forthem and how they gone off and
created so many amazing thingsin their life, because we're not
just focused on the energetics.
It's actually themultidimensional being that you
are, so mind energetics, it'sactually the multidimensional

(04:03):
being that you are, so mind,body, spirit.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, Combining everything.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yes, it's integrated together so.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Perfect.
So tell me this, though how didyou get to this place?
Is there a journey story here,like have you always been
spiritual?
Did this cut?
Did something happen, that thatwhere you went through a
transformation, or what's yourjourney look like?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, great question.
So, no, I wasn't always focusedon spirituality, or I didn't
know that this was going to bemy path becoming a
multi-dimensional energeticshealer.
My journey actually startedback in 2015, when I found
myself at the end of feelingcompletely burnt out, helpless,

(04:48):
uninspired, battling anxiety anddepression for over a decade.
I was somebody who was heavilymedicated and I had about 12
years in the medical background,understanding the body, but
there was a disconnect betweenthe emotions and my mental body
at the time, so I was beingtreated with medications that

(05:12):
helped me feel really low inenergy.
I'm a mom of two, so not beingable to be present fully happy
for them really made things 10times worse.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I carried a lot of guilt for that.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So I knew I wanted to experience something more
natural and holistic, but I wasstill on the fence.
I grew up very Christian, so Ihad those deep core beliefs that
we don't explore outside ofcertain realms and because
things are spiritual, we don'twant to be opening doors.
So there was a lot offear-based beliefs that I
carried really deeply at my core.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Oh, I get that.
I hear that a lot, yeah, and Ihad that, so I get it.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.
So you know how heavy that canbe, how taking that step to
deciding.
Well, you know what I'm goingto cross words with, how I feel
what my current treatment waswas no longer something that I
wanted to do long term.
That was really my invitationto explore other modalities, and
so that's how I came acrossenergy healing and experienced

(06:12):
it for the first time.
It took me a while.
I looked up the facts, theevidence.
I was like I want to make surethis is not something I'm just
going to open a door to and notbe able to manage or control.
Right?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So you're saying you were just taking pills.
Basically, you were treatingall of your mental health
symptoms with pills and youdecided you weren't your true
self.
You didn't feel like youanymore.
So then you started exploringthis route.
Okay, so what are we talking?
Reiki, like what kind of energyhealing.
Did we start with meditation?
What were we doing?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
We started with Reiki .
That was my first introductionand that kind of opened the door
to then becoming a certifiedenergetics healer and being able
to service my community withthis.
So, yeah, the first step wasbooking a Reiki appointment and
even then I was very off.
I was like I don't want to doall the the woo stuff, I'm just

(07:04):
here.
I was very off.
I was like I don't want to doall the the woo stuff, I'm just
here.
I'm just here because somebodyrecommended this and this is
what I want.
I'm curious about it because itkept coming up for me.
Now, what I didn't realize is,after experiencing that first
session, I could hear the voiceof my intuition, which I didn't
know.
That's what it was then andthat's what was creating a lot

(07:26):
of the resistance and theanxiety, because I always had
that internal voice that wouldlead me or guide me in a way
that I was always resistant to,because my mind at the time was
very powerful, it was verypresent, very negative, and so I
couldn't really hear that.
After my first Reiki session, Iheard an inner voice tell me

(07:47):
just breathe and experiencingthat peace for the first time
after years of sharing mycritical self changed my life
completely.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So you dove in, you started with the Reiki, and then
where did that lead you?
Is this where we're talking 10years ago-ish About yes,
2015-ish?
Okay?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
So one of the things that I want to share is, as a
child, I always was connected tothe spirit realm.
I could always hear things thatwere not physical or they were
not visible to the eye, and sothat also created a lot of
anxiety because I didn't sharethat out loud with anybody.
My parents were very Christian,so we were very religious based

(08:27):
and it was very scary, I wouldsay I experienced these things
as a child.
So now understanding, then mypsychic senses were open.
They were open as a child.
I was experiencing I reallydidn't have anybody to talk to
so fast forward to now,experiencing Reiki and deepening
that connection with myselfopened that even more.
So that connection with myintuition, with my senses,

(08:49):
deepened, and so it was almostan explosion of like oh, this is
what we do, this is how themind-body-spirit works when
they're integrated together, andthat has shaped my path now as
a facilitator and how I lead mysessions with others, but also
for myself in my life.
I'm now able to help mydaughters develop their

(09:11):
intuition and listen to theirsenses and their body at an
earlier age so they can grow upto really have that inner
confidence and lead with thatwhen they're older that when
they're older?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, so did you end up slowly going off the
medication, or did you just likea combination was working
better?
Or are you just totallyholistic now?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I am now, but in the beginning it took a while.
So I was scheduling regularenergy healing treatments, maybe
once every three weeks for acouple months, and that was
strengthening my connection,which helped me understand a lot
of the deep rooted trauma thatI was carrying and storing in my
body and helping me wean offthe medication.

(09:53):
So even now I don't want to saygo off and come off your
medication Never.
All I'm saying is learn tolisten to your body.
Your body has so much wisdomand it's going to tell you
exactly what it needs.
And so at the time, I felt likethe medication was kind of
blocking a lot of that innerconnection that I was looking

(10:15):
for, because it completely mademe feel disconnected from myself
.
I felt like I was numb, like arobot walking around, totally
checked out, and so that's why Idecided you know what, there
has to be another way.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, to get back into your own body.
And that's sometimes the scarypart, though, getting back into
your own body in that process,because then you have to deal
with all the shit, like thestuff that comes up.
Do you know what I mean?
Because I've had to do this too.
Because, yeah, when you'rewalking around numb and you know
whatever, yeah, you don't haveto think about all that.
Then you start doing the work,the Reiki, the therapy, anything

(10:49):
and it's like okay, now I knowthe work that needs done.
Then you have to do it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The work.
This is the work you have to dothe work.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And then what you're saying is you got to the point
where you were able to do enoughof that that you could slowly
wean down and not have to dependon the medication so much.
And for some people and thisisn't downing medication at all,
because medication may be partof something you need your whole
life.
That is definitely valid, youguys.
That doesn't mean you don't dothe work, but if you get to the
point where you're so numb andonly depending on medication,

(11:21):
that's where the problem lies.
You got to keep doing the workthrough it.
That's there's my disclaimer,you guys.
We're not telling everyone tostop their meds.
No, no, no, please don't.
We're just trying to open yourmind to like some of the work
that might need done here.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Some of the deeper work, because sometimes we don't
know what that looks like.
We don't even know what that is.
So if you're wondering andyou're listening, what is the
deeper work?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
What is the deeper work, son?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's a great invitation to start.
So the deeper work is gettingcurious, not in a judgmental way
, but getting curious about yourinner dialogue, like some of us
and this was me and sometimesthese things come up over and
over.
But now I have the resourcesand tools to be able to work
through that.
So we're human right.
So some of the inner dialoguecan look like I'm not the best

(12:07):
mom or I suck at everything I do.
I never end up finishing any ofthe projects I started.
I'm so behind.
Like, look at the innerdialogue on a day to day basis
and get curious about wherethose stories are coming from.
Is that something that you tookon from your parents?
Are these generational?
stories that are being passeddown and we're not even aware of

(12:28):
them?
Or is it something that yourown inner critic is creating?
Because maybe you have a highstandard or you have an idea or
a belief of what you should be,and so anytime you come across
should I have tos or comparison?
Those are invitations for youto get curious about.
Okay, where is this reallycoming from?

(12:49):
And honesty is required,accountability is required, and
those things can beuncomfortable, you know, most of
the time.
So it's important to giveyourself space, grace, to be
able to work through that.
But also having somebody tohelp you walk through that is so
helpful, especially if you'reat the starting point.
So the inner work looksdifferent for everybody.

(13:12):
Know that you don't have to beon a healing retreat like for
years to be able to come backwhole to yourself.
You can absolutely feelempowered even when you're going
through it, because that's justwhat.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's just yeah, you're gonna feel better and
better when you're going throughit, because that's just what
that's just.
Oh, yeah, You're going to feelbetter and better as you're
going through it.
Yeah, you just got to knowaround it, got to go through it.
So you probably in the clientsyou work with tell us a little
bit about what it looks likeworking with you.
What kind of clients do youhave?
Who?
Who do you work with primarily?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I work with women who are in leadership roles or
are entrepreneurs themselves,but these sessions are really
uniquely tailored to where theyare in the moment.
So women come and they'refeeling disconnected from
themselves, they're feelingburned out.
They're feeling like they knowthere's something more but they
can't quite access it.

(14:01):
They're feeling like there'sjust like this heavy, invisible
wall between them and where theywant to be.
So these are the type of womenthat I serve.
I connect with women globallyto over Zoom or in person as
well.
You'll know when this work isready for you, because you'll
feel almost like an internal tugand a pull and you'll get

(14:22):
curious about when you're readyto take that next step.
So I always say your bodyalways knows when you're ready,
even if, logically, you're like,no, I can't do this or that's
not something I think I wouldwant.
Your body will continue tonudge you in that way.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
So basically, ruth, you isn't just like working with
a leadership, a business coach.
You combine so that you cankind of also work on your
spiritual growth or bring inthat intuition.
Is it kind of a mesh of both?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It is because your intuition will help you lead
with your own unique strategy.
So that's why intuition is sokey in our work together,
because it's you're notfollowing my blueprint, you're
not following somebody else's,you're following your own, and
that looks different foreverybody.
As a business owner, everybodyhas a different, unique path.
So to say, oh, come, do this orcome simplify this framework,

(15:16):
it's just doesn't make sense.
So for me, we actually look atyour energetic business print,
if you're somebody who's havingsome challenges in your business
, and then we look at yours,your personal one, and we blend
those two aspects together.
So if there's any blockagesthat you may be experiencing in
your personal life or in yourbusiness, they're going to come
up either way.

(15:36):
What does that process?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
look like.
What do you do with somebody tofigure that out?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
So, as a channeler, as a psychic, I'm able to
identify where the blockings arein somebody's body.
So think about it as an x-rayform.
If I'm working with somebodyand I have their consent to be
able to work with them, we canidentify where those blocks are
in their mind, their heart,their womb, their body.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And then we work together.
So are we talking like blackchakra kind of system thing here
?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It comes through as a specific area in your body.
So on my end it comes throughas an x-ray form.
So I look at the energetic bodyas an x-ray form and I can see
okay, this is what's coming up.
These are the symptoms thatyou're already experiencing
physically, emotionally and thisis how we get to the root of it
and clear that and, in turn,open things up to where our

(16:32):
lives in general, but also ourbusinesses, will prosper, right?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Absolutely.
I like the sound of all thatsaid.
That sounds amazing.
So I bet you deal with a lot ofwomen who are burnt out,
especially us middle age women.
We're burnt out.
We've been doing an awful lotfor a long time for other people
, right?
Not enough for ourselves, but alot for other people, so we end
up burnt out, agreed.
Do you see a lot of people likethat?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Especially now.
You know most people run theirbusinesses online.
Everybody has a special projectthey feel called to do, and I'm
a big believer that you're hereto share your gifts with the
world.
They're not yours to keep,they're not yours to keep in a
box.
You are here to share yourgifts or talents with the world.
So that may feel scary in thebeginning when you're putting
yourself out there, when you'reworking through your own

(17:20):
visibility blocks.
So, yeah, it's important toalways follow your passion
projects, but understand howyou're moving in that direction
as well, because some of us canzoom right through that right.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Which will create burnout.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Some of us are just ready to skyrocket.
So yeah, just that bodyconnection is so important.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So as far as, like, the energetic, spiritual side of
burning out, recovering from aburnout, that type of thing,
let's just kind of go through it.
How does that burnout manifest,like in our body and our energy
?
What do you see?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So one of the things that you may automatically think
logically about is stress,right?
So, oh my god, I'm stressed out, I feel it, but how are you
really interpreting that?
So those manifestations cansometimes go beyond stress and
what we logically think likefatigue and feeling forgetful.
If you've ever had a moment forthose of you that are listening

(18:14):
I can't register another pieceof information If your kids are
ever talking to you and you'rejust kind of like staring off
into space, you're like what?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like I don't care what's happening around me right
now.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's an indication of your body telling you hey,
your nervous system cannot takeanother piece of information to
process.
It's just not you beingforgetful.
And let's face it, as wecontinue to move in such a fast
paced environment, this is goingto become more and more clear.
So some of my clientsexperience that on a day to day

(18:51):
and they think it's normal.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
We think this is normal.
So are we talking about like,oh man, I can't find my car keys
?
We're talking about where youfeel checked out in moments that
you really shouldn't be checkedout in.
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like yeah, yeah, sometimes I hear people all the
time saying I can't think right,I can't go to sleep because
there's so much happening in mymental body, I'm constantly on,
and then you think you fallasleep, only to wake up into
that all over again.
So you are in overload.
If you're experiencingheightened sensitivity to

(19:25):
emotions, to people, if you feellike you can't be around people
, you're maybe feeling emotional, you're having crying spells,
those are alerts of your bodytelling you hey, there's
something here bigger that needsto be addressed.
And sometimes we need thatquick reset.
We need our nervous systemsfeeling regulated so we can

(19:46):
process and be able to regulateourselves.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
All right, so we figure out, we're burnt out.
What do we?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
do.
The first step is really beinghonest with yourself and let's
face it as women in business, aswomen in leadership roles, we
want to thrive, we want to hitour goals, and I am all for that
.
But it's also important to doit in a way that's sustainable,
in a way that you're going to beable to be at peace with
yourself, to identify whatsuccess really means to you.

(20:14):
So this is uniquely differentfor everyone.
So the first step is reallysitting with yourself and asking
yourself where am I holding thetension in my body Now?
This isn't a logical question,and the moment you're able to do
this, being fully present,you're going to receive your
answer.
Now, sometimes people are like,well, I don't know what the
answer is, or I can't reallyhear it, and that's because you

(20:36):
may be looking for a specificone.
But if I tell you, jen, whereis your body holding tension
right now, and you take a deepbreath in and you exhale the
chaos, where is your bodypointing to you in that moment?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, Like for me when you say that.
I can feel like literally thebase of my skull and my neck.
I hold a lot there, but I canfeel like a pressure.
There's that physically in mybody.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, it's a physical sensation.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's not a logical sensation, because logically we
think it's just stress.
We just think, oh, I'm juststressed out, yes, but also
that's the way that theymanifest in other areas.
Again, going back to feelingforgetful, it's not about your
keys, it's if you're talking tosomebody and you're totally
checked out.
Your mind cannot register anymore information.
Your nervous system is sodysregulated that it's screaming

(21:29):
for a timeout.
But if we're not aware of this,we don't't function anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Honestly, we can't handle one more thing, and if
one more thing gets added to us,we're going to flip out.
You know what I mean.
We don't know how to handle it,or we're going to shut down.
We're just going to shut downand get nothing done.

(21:55):
Basically, I feel like that'ssuper common, because we get
stuck in a cycle.
And how do we get out of thatcycle?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So first, it's identifying where you're really
at.
Speaking of cycles, sometimes wecan carry unspoken truths in
the body and they get stored,and those truths want to be felt
, heard and seen, and so theywill continue to replay over and
over until they're addressed.
So most of us, as women who havethriving careers, we want to

(22:25):
achieve goals, we want to makedeadlines, but also we do a lot
of people pleasing we.
We go along with the flow whenour bodies want to say no.
So it's important to be able toto listen to our bodies and say
okay, something's off right now, something's telling me hey,
there's a signal in my bodygoing on, whether it's in your

(22:47):
mind, in your heart space or inyour womb that something's not
feeling right, and so notmissing those indications it's
what's key.
So addressing them in themoment or giving yourself time,
a spiritual practice or anenergetic practice can look
different for everybody.
So for you, that may be goingout and grounding yourself for

(23:09):
about three minutes.
My favorite one is actually anenergy scan where you can take
your hand, place it over yourheart portal and the other one
over your womb, which is yourchannel of intuition, and really
tune into that and sense whereyour body is asking for your
attention.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay, cause sometimes we get stuck in.
Sometimes they call it survivalmode or just in survival mode,
day to day.
We just trying to get throughand we don't have time to feel
that right Like, what does thisfeel like in my body?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, Okay, absolutely.
We get stuck in survival, weget stuck in pushing through our
limits, grabbing another cup ofcoffee to make it through the
day, and so it's important tohave those pauses in between
your day.
You know, if you're somebodywho runs a 10 hour day, okay,

(24:02):
you're like you're going gonnaask me to cut back and I'm not
ready to cut back.
Okay, so where can you create15 minutes of a break in between
your day?
Where can you set a strictboundary with your client work
and not pick up or open up thatemail when you know you're ready
to check out for the day Tocheck out.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Take some time for yourself.
How do you does technologyplanned?
All this Absolutely.
I feel like all the technologythese days it's hard to check
out for even 15 minutes.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh my God, I was somebody who couldn't even put
my phone down.
It was so hard becauseeverything's accessible to us.
So if you're finding yourselfreaching out for your phone
first thing in the morningwithout giving your mind, your
body a moment to wake up, that'sa signal that, hey, maybe not
reaching for the phone is goingto be helpful in getting outside
, walking your dog, going for awalk, right.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Put it off for the first half hour or however long
you need to during the day,because most of the people in my
age group we didn't have allthis.
When we were younger rightMoving up the chain, we actually
had to drive in our cars andjust listen to music and think
we had no phones.
We had no.
You know what I mean.
We did not have this.
You didn't have people textingyou where you felt this need to.
Oh, I need to answer now.

(25:07):
I need to answer now.
No, I don't feel like answeringhome.
That's how I grew up.
So until you hit that playbutton on your answering machine
, you didn't know what was goingon out in the world, what
people needed you for.
Technology is great, but I feellike we could connect with
ourselves a little bit better Idon't know back when there
wasn't so much distraction.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I agree.
I agree, like if you look atnow, there's everything's
available to kids younger, andthey have a tablet in their face
when they're like three yearsold.
I mean, do what works for you,but also being aware of like,
ooh, am I spending too much timeon the screen?
How are you feeling after anhour or two of scrolling?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, because you do scroll for a while and then
you're kind of mad at yourself.
I just wasted an hour of my dayon the stupidest stuff ever.
Yeah, why did I just do that?
So it doesn't make you feelgood.
I mean, I feel good sometimeswhen I scroll and I found a you
know briefly, and found like acouple new recipes or a really
cool person that sharedsomething.
Okay, yes, but if we're justdoom scrolling just to be nosy

(26:08):
into everybody's business and abunch of just weird clips that
mean nothing to our lives,that's when I start to feel
pissed at myself.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
That mean nothing to our lives that's when I start to
feel pissed at myself.
Well, that makes a lot of sensebecause, first of, all.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I love videos on recipes.
That's like my go-to.
Yeah, what have I been to?
I'm like oh, that looks good.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm going to save that one yeah.
Right, but and there's nothingwrong with scrolling, but when
it gets to the point whereyou're three hours in and you're
feeling like unmotivated,uninspired, your eyes hurt, you
have a headache, then it's like,okay, hey, did we really need
to spend that much time?
Or?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
if you're scrolling other people and feeling bad
about yourself because you'rejudging yourself based on what
you're seeing on social media,because, for the record, most of
that's not real.
It's my opinion You're onlyseeing that person's life how
they want you to see it.
Yeah, you're seeing the best ofthem because they're not posting
the rest.

(26:59):
So then we're all super jealouswhen, really, that really cute
couple doing those really cutefun videos together are like
literally fucking hate eachother at night, right, or what
they're cheating on each other.
I don't know, but this is whatI always say.
I'm like, okay, well, that'sreal cute that you guys are
doing all these things online,but are you working on your
relationship off air?
You know what?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean Instagram and TikTok.
It's a highlight.
That's what it is.
It's a highlight.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So we can't get taken down.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And now you're comparing yourself to something
that probably doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay, so do you have somesuggestions for different kinds
of practices we can implementthat will get us started on this
journey of this healing fromour coming out of our darn
burnout?
Oh, we, we need to cure it.
What's our cure?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
The burnout cure.
It's literally right at thatpoint where you're like I don't
know where to start.
I don't know what this means.
I don't know if I canunderstand the wisdom of my body
.
Let me tell you you can.
You can right now, okay.
So, if you're listening to thisepisode, take some time to
really integrate the practicethat I'm going to give you.
It's simple.
Don't overlook it and don'tknock it till you try it, okay.

(28:10):
So what you're going to do is,when you have a moment of
quietness, or maybe when you'redriving, don't close your eyes.
I want you to take a deepbreath in and breathe in clarity
, breathe in inspiration andmotivation, and when you exhale,

(28:31):
I want you to physically openup your mouth, because this is
going to be a portal to releaseany energy that's leaking in
your body, anything that'sfeeling heavy.
What we're doing is we'rebreathing in clarity and we're
exhaling chaos.
So, if you're feeling likeyou're going through some
changes right now, if you feellike you're completely depleted,
this quick three breath resetit's going to help you just

(28:54):
restore that balance threebreath reset.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's going to help you just restore that balance,
because we're breathing through.
We're breathing in through ournose and then out through our
mouth.
Is there a count to this orjust do?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
it three times.
You can do it three times.
If you intuitively want to doit more times, you can.
This is going to give yourbrain a quick reset and just
bring that centeredness back toyour body, back to your spirit,
back to your presence.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
And you're saying breathe in clarity.
Am I visualizing somethingspecific while I'm doing this?
Like clarity means somethingdifferent for everyone.
I'm getting the breath part,but like what am I doing to
bring in clarity and all of that?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
in.
Well, this is where we're goingto put your intuition to play.
When you think about clarity,what are you thinking?
When I think about clarity, Iget a breeze of like beach water
.
What about you?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Okay.
So we're talking about clarity,like what gives us clarity,
what feels good to us.
Is that what you're sayingFeels good?
Yeah, I try and visualizesometimes that I'm in like this
beautiful field of flowers and Ican hear water flowing close to
me.
That would be like my kind oflike serenity.
I guess you call that claritytoo.
That's where I feel at ease.
So we want to imagine that, aswe're breathing in, okay, and as

(30:04):
we're breathing out, are wevisualizing all the junk of our
day in our life leaving?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
All of it.
Get it out, because you'rebuilding it up but you're
storing it in your body, so youwant to get it out energetically
.
You're not going to see it, butyou're going to feel it.
So pay attention to where yourshoulders feel dense, where your
jaw may be stiff, where you'refeeling like the back of your
neck.
There's no flexibility.
All of that you're storing on aday to day.

(30:29):
So, yes, you want to exhalethat, and I say chaos, because
everybody's going through sometype of change and well yeah you
know that's it.
So, yeah, think of the chaos,think of you visualizing
yourself exhaling I don't know,a dark cloud of energy, or
exhaling the heaviness thatyou're feeling in your body, and
that's going to help you resetyour energy immediately.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And, if you can't think of specific things to
think of in and out.
Really, I feel like you couldjust maybe think about beautiful
white light coming in and thenthat dark cloud leaving.
You don't even have to identifywhat's in it, maybe when you're
beginning right, Just feeling alightness coming in and a
darkness leaving.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yes, you can do this practice at home, and I want to
really empower you to do that,because sometimes people think I
have to be in a specific placeto be able to create my sacred
space, and you don't.
You just have to put it intopractice.
So I like to ask my clientswhat does peace mean to you?
What does it represent to you?
Because we can have twodifferent definitions of what
that is.

(31:32):
So I want you to create thatfor yourself.
So same goes with breath work,grounding.
My favorite way to ground isgetting out on a walk with my
dog, like early in the morning.
That's my favorite way.
I don't have a lot of time inbetween my day to take time for
myself, so you know that willlook like different to you.
Maybe it's getting yourheartbeat over 150 beats per

(31:53):
minute at the gym.
That's a great way to burn offenergy and release any stagnant
energy that you're carrying inyour body as well.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I don't know if that's.
I don't know if I identify withthat, but I know, so that's why
I prefer the walk.
I keep hearing about thisrunner's high I've never
experienced either, because I amonly running like that if
there's something chasing me, Idon't know, like I can't.
I know a lot of people withoutexercise and running.
No, they can't function.

(32:21):
Yeah, so that's not me.
But that doesn't have to be me,that doesn't have to be
everyone.
I don't feel bad about it, Ijust have to find my thing.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And that's it right, because we think, well, jen
doesn't like maybe hitting thegym, but I do, so maybe I'm
doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
No, you're just finding your own thing, cause I
used to judge myself by othersLike I should be loving the gym.
All these fricking people lovethe gym.
I should be running.
Look at all these people lovingrunning.
What's wrong with me?
No, there's something wrongwith me.
That's just not my thing.
Could it be someday, maybe?
Maybe I'll get into it someday.
I mean it hasn't happened yet,but it's fine because there are

(32:59):
other things I can do.
I do love a good walk.
I walk around, you know,hanging out with my animals
outside.
There's plenty of other thingsyou guys can do.
So if exercise is your thing,you should for sure do it,
because I know people who it'slife-changing when they get
their exercise routine in daily.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Because it releases dopamine all kinds of wonderful
things in your brain.
For sure, it's a thing.
Now I'm feeling guilty again.
Should I be trying?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
to do a run today.
No, we're going to nip that inthe bud right now.
We're going to say you knowwhat?
I'm allowed to create my ownsecret.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I'm allowed to not like exercise.
Okay, no, no.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I do sometimes like how I feel after when I make
myself do it.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
but it's that starting it Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
However, I do want to add if you are not a lover of
exercise, just get your heartrate up.
I want you to get curious abouthow your body feels Like when
you feel that momentum, thatpulse running through your body.
I want you to really getcurious about how it makes you
feel.
It's definitely a boost ofconfidence.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
How do I get my heart rate up to 150 without
exercising?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You could do a power walk, you could do some cycling.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I was going to say there's no way to get your heart
unless, like you're scared todeath or something.
I don't want to be scared todeath, no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean, if you have a partner, you can have a drink.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Are you telling me to have more sex?
Oh my God, since tell us tohave more sex, you guys?
She's trying to get my workoutin any way she can.
It's what I'm hearing.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm just saying, after that, check in with
yourself and see how your sacralchakra is going to be pumping
creativity Now.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
you got me thinking because for the record, you
don't need a partner, you guys.
You could get your heart rateup on your own.
I'm just saying Okay, all right.
So did you know you'd beteaching us about that kind of a
burnout cure today?
Sen?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Hey, listen, energy is Energy's energy man.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, you take it where you can get it.
Anyway, all right, what else wegot?
What other things can we do tohelp cure this burnout phase so
we can move on in our journey tothe next thing?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Give yourself some grace Identify how burnout is
manifesting itself in your body.
So we touched on fogginess, notbeing able to sleep, feeling
overwhelmed by people, noise Idon't know about you, but when
I'm feeling dysregulated, anyloud noise, somebody cutting the
yard, my kids screaming my name, no same.
I need quiet.
So, that's an indication, likeif you're yelling at your kids.
I promise you're not a bad mom,you're just needing some

(35:26):
regulation.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
That's all your body's asking for I think, as
women too, I think we don'tspend near enough time alone.
Do you find that a lot of womenjust aren't spending enough
time alone just with themselves?
Because we're over, we'rerunning around for everybody and
even when we have a minute toourselves, we think we need to
be multitasking to get ready forthe next thing we have to do
for someone right?
We don't say, hey, what do Ineed for a day or 10 minutes

(35:52):
Alone time?
I think we need more alone time.
What do you think, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
But from thinking to creating that alone time for you
is going to be the work for you.
So if you're somebody who'slooking after others, if you're
somebody who's so focused onyour business, on your
leadership at work, pull thatback, pour back into yourself,
because you don't want to be theperson who's so burned out.
You've hit a wall and now youcan't function.
You know you, you you thriveoff of creativity.
You're going to need that toleading your business and in

(36:23):
your project.
So how can you pull that backfor yourself?
I know a lot of us come fromdeep core beliefs around.
It's selfish to take time foryourself, right?
There's a lot of shame that youmay feel like I really need to
take time for yourself, right?
There's a lot of shame that youmay feel when you're like I
really need to take time for me,but I don't even know how to
voice that.
So there's your invitation tounblock your throat chakra and

(36:44):
say, hey, I just need 30 minutes.
Start with 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, would you say, in the business, entrepreneurial
aspect.
There is a way and it's goingto be better for everyone
involved.
There is a way to do less andmake more and achieve more right
, because sometimes they thinkwe as women get stuck.
I mean, we got to put the workin, I get that, but sometimes if
we give ourself that downtime,we're going to come back
stronger and accomplish more.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I love that you said that, because that is one of the
biggest things that we don't do.
We are afraid to stop.
We're afraid of rest because wethink that if we stop, our
business stops, and I want toinvite you to break that belief
and choose to trust in yourbusiness and in your mission so
much that you know, no matter ifyou're taking a vacation, you

(37:32):
have systems built and you knowthat your clients are going to
be able to reach your work.
So that's something I alwayslike to come back to when even
myself I have those doubts, orI've taken time off because I'm
taking care of someone, or evenmyself, like, your work doesn't
stop because you stop it.
In fact, it actuallyrejuvenates you, it gives you a

(37:53):
creative reset, it helps youconnect deeper to your intuition
, and that's a strategy that youcan use in your business,
because everybody's business isnot meant to sound the same,
look the same, and when you getinto structures of like, I have
to go do what she's doing so Ican be successful.
It's a form of giving yourpower away, so you always want
to call that back to yourself.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, Because if you have that downtime, that's when
those new original ideas willspark right Versus you, just
mimicking what all the womendoing the same thing as you are
doing.
I mean, it's already been done.
We got to give ourselves thedowntime to be like Ooh, how can
I be a more original, how can Ido something different than

(38:34):
everybody else in my industry?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
And I think without downtime, we don't have time to
figure that out right, Becausewe're always stuck in our mental
bodies of doing and executingand the strategy.
But it's really not thestrategy.
It's your aligning you to yourown natural energy and your
creativity.
Everybody has the ability tochannel ideas and enhance their
creativity themselves Everyone.

(38:56):
I've seen it with my clients.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Have you seen a big difference between men and women
too?
I think it's harder for womensometimes because we do feel
like we have to work harder toget to the same place.
Sometimes men can get to easier.
That's just kind of reality andI'm not trying to be a big old
feminist or anything, but it'sjust true because oftentimes
we're balancing all of thethings we're expected to do at

(39:20):
home with our whole business,and sometimes our counterparts
aren't having to handle all that, so we are burnout quicker.
This is what I think.
This is what I've seen in a lotof people.
Because we have to work hard,because I see a lot of men
having no problem taking timefor themselves.
They don't have a problem withgolfing in the middle of the day
.
Sometimes they don't have aproblem with going fishing,

(39:42):
whatever it is right.
They find that time forthemselves to rejuvenate.
But I think as women sometimeswe feel more pressure that we
can't do that because whilethey're off golfing we need to
be making up time.
We got to get some stuff done,yeah, and that's just it.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I'm so glad you brought that up because you're
right, there's differentstandards for men and women and
we tend to take more on, butit's time for you to reclaim
your power and your space andsay no, I too deserve to take
the load off so you can focus onyour business.
It's so.
I'm sometimes amazed because Iam a mom myself, I'm a wife and
I also am a business owner.
I'm amazed at sometimes howmuch we can hold at the same

(40:22):
time.
It's amazing.
Yeah, and still.
We're expected to be ready foreverything and anything at the
end of the day, when we'rescreaming out for help.
So it's important to use yourvoice.
It's important to say you knowwhat.
I'm going to stop that with me,because that's what we are also
teaching to our next generationof women.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, I mean, and on top of all that, we have to do
all of that and we're supposedto look good too, and we got to
put a full face of makeup on.
We got to do our hair.
Okay, versus, like my husbandwho hops out of the shower and
is ready in three minutes andyou're like that's just another
part of it.
Do you see women feeling guilty?
Because if you're thinking, howdo I take some of my time back?

(41:04):
Right, I'm overwhelmed, I'mburnout.
How do I take my time?
Where do I take it from?
All, right, so I can takebreaks at work.
I'm going to make sure I takemy lunch, whatever it is.
I'm going to take a 10 minutebreak and I'm just going to sit
outside and do nothing, whateveryou find.
So I think the hard part forwomen is finding spots to take
back time.
On the other side, on thepersonal side, do you see women

(41:27):
that struggle more with thatpart of it?
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
And I can't tell you go take a break, go take a four
hour day for yourself.
Go to the spa, because ifyou're somebody who's not used
to that, you're going to carry alot of guilt and shame and say
I can't do that.
It's not going to be relaxing,exactly Because you're going to
be thinking about what the kidsare doing at home and your
husband's taking off the trash.
So, again, you want to get inyour body, you want to drop into

(41:54):
your body and out of yourmental body, because that's
another way that you're going toconnect with your sensuality,
with that creativity, with yourfeminine energy.
A lot of us are in overloadwith leading with our masculine
energy, right.
So you're getting that enoughlike wait, my body is asking me
to soften.

(42:14):
My body is asking me for amoment.
My body is asking me to soften.
My body is asking me for amoment.
And if you get that innerchatter of your brain telling
you you can't possibly afford totake time off, I want you to
challenge yourself and say youknow what I can For today.
I can take 30 days and increaseit as you go.
It doesn't have to be fourhours.
Your spiritual relationship,your connection to yourself

(42:35):
doesn't have to look like aneight hour day.
Start small and then slowly addmore time to that.
You're going to have anincredible shift in your life.
You're going to be like wow, Ifeel so magnetic.
I feel like I know who I am, Ifeel confident in myself and I
can connect and feel myself at asoul level.
And then your partner is goingto be like okay, there's

(42:57):
something different about herand those around you.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
They'll feel the energy shift.
They'll probably like beingaround you a little bit more
honestly.
But this could be helpful,right, for all relationships.
I've called it before beingunapologetically lazy sometimes,
and what that means for me issomething like okay, you're in
the rat race of it all and it'sa Saturday and we've already
worked full-time all week.
We've got more to catch up onthis weekend.

(43:20):
Now we have to take care ofeverybody in our household all
week, saying you know what?
Yeah, I've got laundry to do.
Guess what?
I'm not doing it today.
My family will be closed, right, they might bitch a little bit,
but like they will be closed.
Or I'm going to order the pizza.
I'm not going to cook.
I'm not cooking today.
That's something you normallydo, right?
I'm not going to do that today.
Oh, today I'm going to takethree hours to binge watch my

(43:42):
favorite show, and I'm not goingto apologize about it.
I don't care what everybodyelse in this house is doing.
That's what I'm doing.
I call it a little bitunapologetically lazy.
It's okay, because sometimes wejust need that, and that
doesn't mean we're a failurethat day or anything else.
It means we needed that torecharge.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So tomorrow, we can go do the things Absolutely and
you'll be a happier person.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yes, You're not going to be ready to bite your kids'
heads off anymore.
You know what I mean.
Or, yeah, you're going to maybeput off calling that divorce
lawyer because you calm the helldown for a minute.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm just being real because, listen, things get
rough and things go through ourbrains and we get a little crazy
.
Maybe you don't need to getdivorced, you just need some
time to yourself.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Maybe you just need to be unapologetically lazy a
little bit.
More girls, Boys, anyonelistening that might be what you
need.
Sometimes we'll be betterpeople.
We connect with ourselvesenergetically, spiritually, when
we know what we want, when weknow what our body's saying.
Like our body's saying don't goto that party tonight.
It's going to be stupid, You'renot going to enjoy yourself.
You don't really care aboutthose people that much.

(44:43):
It's okay to stay home tonight,right, and giving yourself
permission to stay home tonight,yes, maybe you should have been
networking, but maybe juststaying home is better.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
But maybe just staying home is better.
Listen, choosing yourself isgoing to feel hard, but it's
going to be easier as youcontinue to do it every day.
Wake up and choose yourself indifferent ways.
Wake up and say you know whatToday's about me?
I'm going to take the first onehour of my time before I dive
into my client work, Becausethen they also.
It comes up in the way that youshow up for your people, for

(45:17):
your clients, for your family,for yourself.
So you want to have thatboundary and say, nope, I come
first.
Nope, it's time to not takeanother call.
It's time to say no to thenetworking event.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well, yeah, because I think a lot of women in
business, especiallyentrepreneurs, and that leave
ourselves open and available 24,seven, almost.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, text me, call me, shoot me an email and we
think we've got to answer it.
Now.
We've got to respond to thisand the other, so there's
probably some boundary issuesthere too.
Right, like you don't need tobe open 24 seven.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Don't open the DM.
Don you know if I'm a truebeliever, that your work is here
to really be for the peopleyou're meant to serve and
they're going to honor that.
Nobody wants somebody who'scompletely burned out trying to
service them.
It just doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
No, they're going to end up ditching out on you
anyway and finding someone newbecause your vibe will be too
low for them.
We got to have our vibe highenough to attract people right
Kind of that whole law ofattraction thing.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
When you're completely in alignment with
your energy, you're going tonaturally pull people in and the
things that you want to seemore of.
But when you're hanging on,your energy is low, you're
burned out.
There's a dullness to the waypeople perceive you and feel you
and we can sense that.
So take time off.
If you're an entrepreneur, ifyou're a business owner, take
time to pour into yourself.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, or get help, or get the help you need with
other things.
If you're trying to clear yourplate, maybe you need to find a
way to budget in someone to comeclean your house once a week.
Maybe you need to budget insomeone to go to the grocery
store for you.
Okay, guess what?
Now I'm just going to dogrocery pickup because I don't
have time to be in a store foran hour.
There are little things you canimplement to carve out time

(47:02):
without you know it's worth thatamount of money you're spending
because you freed up your timefor your family, for your
business, right?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
So get the help you guys.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
We don't have to be super woman.
No one's going to look down onus for getting a little help and
if they do.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Those aren't our people.
No, they're not.
I put the cape down.
I put the cape down.
I don't want to be superwoman.
I tell my daughters I want tobe a happy mom, I want to be a
present mom, and sometimes I'mnot going to be as nice, and
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Like we're not perfect, right, especially if
you're a single mom listeningright now, a single mom who's
really handling the things.
You've got the weight of theworld on your shoulders right
now, cause you've got you don'thave a dual income in your
household anymore.
If you're a single mom, like,you're really taking on a lot,
so do not feel guilty gettinghelp.
Sometimes we want to like breakthe stereotype no, I can do it
all.
I can do it all.
I don't need a man, I don'tneed a woman, I don't need a

(47:54):
partner, whatever.
No, get some help.
Yeah, you don't have to do allof this alone.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Because, yeah, the best way be be open to receiving
that help and you're going tosee how much more you can lean
on others, on your community, onyour friends that are going to
help you take the load off andwhen you start changing your
ways, you know to get out ofburnout.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
What would you say to women and business leaders, who
they do see at the beginning ofthat process?
A little drop off, maybe theydo lose a couple clients,
certain type of clients orsomething.
Would you say there's going tobe new clients to replace them
with your new energy.
Does that seem right?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
It does, and I know at first you're going to notice
numbers are dropping, clientsare falling off.
Maybe you're feeling likeyou're not connecting with your
people, but anytime there's amoment of pause, anytime there's
a shift and you see the change,I want you to know that those
people are not meant to journeywith you forever.
Look at it as a bus stop.

(48:54):
Sometimes we come into people'slives up to a certain stop and
then they're meant to come off.
You're meant to come off right,and that's the beautiful part
of growth.
We're going to outgrow people.
We're going to outgrow ourclients and the way we serve
them.
But if you are able to adaptwith that and say you know what?
Here's a reframe, I want toinvite you to the people that

(49:15):
are no longer in alignment withme, the people that are no
longer wanting to grow with me.
It's okay.
They're only making space forthose people that I'm meant to
work with.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, Cause we can only take on so many clients
anyway, or one person.
So just work on swapping thoseout for ones that have a better
fit with your own energy andyour own spiritual journey or
whatever's going on with you.
So, yeah, you might feel alittle ding at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Like what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, you might feel a little oops, like what have I
done?
I lost a couple of big clients,but there there's new ones
coming, better ones that aregoing to fit into your business
model currently better.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And something that's coming through right now, if
you're tuning in, is, if you'rein the middle of a pause, if
you're in the middle of a bigshift in your life and, for
whatever reason, your businessis on hold or you're not as
active in it like you used to be, know that that shift is
inviting you to something somuch bigger.
Yeah, At times we don't seethat, but that's an invitation

(50:18):
for your next level.
So honor those moments of you.
Know what?
I'm taking a quick pause rightnow because I have to figure
some things out, and that's okay.
It doesn't mean that yourclients are falling off or
they're going to go look forsomeone.
I think the trust piece is veryimportant in that, because if
you were given the vision tocreate a business and start
something from your soul, youwill absolutely feel supported.

(50:41):
And I've seen it in my clientswhen they're on vacation and
they're not on their phones.
They're like I put threeclients in while I was off
taking care of myself.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yep, cause it's energy, you guys.
It's energy, things will cometo you.
It's sticking to this whole lawof attraction thing, you guys,
because what you put out comesback.
So if you're elevating yourself, you're got a higher vibe.
You're putting that out in theworld, it's rippling out.
It's going to come right backat you with the right people
this time, the right clients,and probably going to end up

(51:10):
making more money with less work, and that's the plan.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Absolutely.
I find sometimes that we asbusiness owners try to also
discount artwork to meet peoplewhere they are.
And notice also there's likesome resentment around that If
it's out of alignment for youand the way that you show up for
your clients, because sometimeswe can do that and we think, oh
well, maybe if I discount mywork or maybe if I cut back or

(51:35):
give something for free anythingfree is amazing.
Information is available to usevery day and I'm always in a
spirit of being generous.
But also don't discredit yourwork and your value and what you
bring.
So know that, hey, thoseclients are going to meet you
where you are, at the investmentthat you're offering, and if
they're not able to, that's okaytoo you're offering, and if

(51:59):
they're not able to, that's okaytoo, because don't feel guilty
making money out there, girls.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Okay, it is not wrong to make good money at what
you're doing, because I know alot of women feel guilty if they
make too much money, whichsounds weird because we're all
like I want to make enough money.
But then I think sometimesguilt comes into play, like
should I be doing this for less?
Should I be?
Especially if you're in aservice industry?
I don't know.
Whatever you're doing, it'sokay to make money and do better

(52:24):
in your life for you and yourfamily.
You don't have to feel badabout it, no, cause I think
that's part of burnout too.
We feel bad that we're makingmore and working less.
No, no, no.
That's the plan.
You're executing the plan.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Absolutely, and you have to take care of yourself.
So if you have a money storythat's not serving you, that's
another way that you can tuneinto your body and ask yourself
where am I feeling guilty?
Why am I feeling?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
guilty.
Yeah, like, where's that comingfrom?
And I bet, have you ever workedwith women where that really
traces back to how they wereraised?
We got to go pretty far backusually when we're figuring that
stuff out.
Yeah, like, if you're trying tofigure out where your money
guilt comes from, you know youdon't look back a month or even
a year.
You got to go way back to thebeginning.
What was it like in myhousehold when I was a child

(53:13):
with money?
What were my parents doing withmoney?
What is my whole life look likewith money?
What were my parents doing withmoney?
What is my whole life look likewith money?
Because that's part of the work.
It's always back to the work,isn't it?
Which sounds like overwhelming,but it's not Like.
Just do a little at a time.
Your vibe will raise and it'llbe easier and easier to do the
work.
You help people step into all ofthis.

(53:34):
Right, this is kind of what youdo.
What I'm hearing is thedifference with you is you're
using your intuition to guidepeople.
You're helping them on theirspiritual journey at the same
time, so they can feel things intheir body, so they can get in
touch with.
Like you said, you're guidingthem.
You're not telling them what todo.
You're guiding them to whatthey already know inside they
should be doing.

(53:54):
Right, you're just helping openthings up so they can do it.
And then, of course, you'regiving legit business advice too
, right?
I mean, you're gonna work onthe intuition, spiritual part,
but you're also gonna say, okay,you're doing too much, you're
not doing enough, you shouldmarketing.
You know, you're actuallytalking about their plan too, is
that right?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yes.
So I want to say the primary ishelping you create your own
connection to God's sourceuniverse Everybody has their own
spiritual connection andhelping you uncover your
intuitive abilities, becausethat's the biggest thing that
I've noticed.
Some people don't think they'reintuitive or some people are
like, well, I don't have thatconnection or I can't channel

(54:31):
these ideas into my business.
You can when you're in a place.
What I'm hearing right now iswhen you're in a space to
receive, because sometimes welead with logic so we're like I
don't hear the answer, I don'tsee it, and that's because
you're in your mental body toomuch.
So I help you drop into thatphysical body, cultivate that

(54:52):
connection with yourself andstrengthen your intuitive
channel so you can be able tolead with that and that strategy
will develop from there,because not all one strategy
works for everybody.
That's crazy.
No, you're going to be able todevelop that and put your gifts
into your business, be able tobring those through and be like

(55:12):
you know what.
Hey, spirit guide or whoeveryou like to connect with.
Give me some guidance and someclarity on how I can move with
this business idea, becausethat's the biggest thing
executing your ideas.
We can all sit on a bank ofcreativity, but if we're not
channeling that through andputting it into action, then
what are we really doing?
We're sitting on our gifts,right, and so you're meant to

(55:33):
share your ideas, your projects,with the world.
There is not one view to shareyour ideas, your projects with
the world.
There is not one view on howyou want to bring your projects
through.
So people are going to feelthat they're going to be pulled
in and be like oh, there'ssomething about Jen, there's
something about this person thatjust makes me feel lit up, it
makes me feel connected, andthose are your people.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
And those are your people and you're working with
women from.
It doesn't matter what industrythey're in.
Okay, so it's not justspiritual woo-woo women.
I'm just clarifying foreveryone, listen.
It's not.
Oh, I've got a Reiki business.
She'd be perfect for me.
Yes, she might be perfect foryou, for your Reiki business,
but it's every industry.
It's implementing that spiritualelement into what your business

(56:13):
already is, or if you'regetting ready to start a new
business, like launching it theright way or whatever.
So it can be anything.
You guys, you can be sellingsomething, whatever you got
going on out there.
It's just about implementingthis into your business plan.
So you don't have to be a lightworker or already spiritual and
woo wooey for sin to help youwith your business.
No, you can just want toincorporate both things together

(56:36):
and get things working properlyand part of the spiritual
journey, you know, becausebusiness and work is a huge part
of our lives and, for mostpeople, necessary.
So we got to incorporate bothin together the spiritual
journey and our work life andfind that balance moving forward
and not be burnt out all thetime.

(56:56):
We don't want to die burnout.
We're in midlife.
Burnout, we're in midlife here.
We're finishing strong, we'renot.
We don't want to finish insurvival mode, burnt out.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
That's not the plan.
You guys, now is your time tostart and know that continuing
to create from a place ofburnout will only lead to more
resistance, will only lead tomore feeling like doors are
closed.
And that's because your body,your spirit, is asking you to
take a pause and bring theattention back to you, because
sometimes we think we can'tpossibly take a break from the

(57:25):
business, we can't possibly stopshowing up on social media.
No, you can actually do that.
You can.
You don't have to be.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah, because I think we get stuck with this whole
social media thing.
I have to put our content everyday, I have to this, that and
the other, and it becomesoverwhelming.
You know what I mean.
Like no, I'm hoping at somepoint we take a turn where this
social media thing isn't asconnected to every damn thing in
the world, but where we comeback to like RL in real life.
You know what I mean.

(57:52):
Like real stuff, real, realstuff in our life, real people,
real relationships.
Yes, that's what I'm hopingcomes next.
I will probably die before thathappens, but let's have that
younger generation.
Can we have that directionplease?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Right.
Social media is a great tool,but it doesn't have to be
everything.
You're human at the end of theday and you probably don't want
to share half your life onsocial media, and if you do, you
probably feel like you may haveto stay relevant and instead
honor.
Honor your seasons.
Honor your seasons ofvisibility, honor your seasons
of taking a break and just knowthat it's serving you where you

(58:30):
are right now, because you cangrow a business without
obsessing about social mediadaily right.
No, I find sometimes it's sohard to nourish our creativity,
and creativity is important.
As entrepreneurs, you know youhear people create original
content.
Well, how do you stay originalwhere you're constantly

(58:51):
comparing yourself to?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
others, and then it's almost impossible.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
You have to be able to live in a real life, irl.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Live in real life Yep Great.
No, I love it.
All right.
So tell everybody about this.
So she's got a little gift foryou guys, for my listeners Okay,
a 25 minute cosmic call.
Tell us about a cosmic call.
What are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Oh, my God, just for your listeners.
So if you're listening to this,I am inviting you.
If you're somebody who'sfeeling like your spark is
fading, if you're feelinguninspired, depleted, and you're
like I just can't get it rightin my business, I just can't get
it right in the things that Iwant to do, I want to invite you
into this cosmic call wherewe're going to identify together

(59:34):
what is it exactly that'sgetting in the way of bringing
your spark back and feeling litup.
Not only that we're going tohelp you reconnect to your own
internal guidance, so yourintuition, so you can feel
turned on by life, by whatyou're creating, and be able to
access that guidance foryourself.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So this isn't just a standard business consultation,
call you.
Kind of combine it with alittle bit of using your own
intuition and gifts too right Tohelp people figure out where
these blocks are coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, we're going to do a scan.
We're going to identify it.
Some of my clients have walkedout feeling completely inspired,
motivated, having abreakthrough, and feeling like,
oh my God, I really was able toput my finger on what was
getting in the way of me notfeeling excited about what I
want to create.
So take advantage of this 25minute call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, Do the call you guys, and then by the end of
that call I'm assuming you'llknow if sin's a good fit.
You know we're going toidentify the problem and then
that's just the beginning,because then she helps you do
the work, the work we talk aboutall the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
My spirit is a straight shooter, so we're
always going to give it to youraw, real and respectful.
So, yes, I work alongsidespirits, of spirits always
coming in and helping us movethrough these calls and these
sessions.
Yeah, serving you at a highercapacity.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I love it.
Okay, so if you guys arefeeling so called to, you should
totally do it.
Everything's in the show notes.
You know that we've got all thelinks to do this with sin, and
then do you have any other?
Just final advice for all usburnout midlife women.
Any one major tip or any what'scoming through for you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
And what is spirit telling you that everyone
listening right now needs toreally focus on right now or or
do or.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
So the message I'm getting is a woman looking at
herself in the mirror andputting bright red lipstick on,
and she's getting curious aboutthe woman that's waiting for her
at the other side of the door.
It takes a lot of courage toopen the door to a new version
of yourself, especially when youhave an internal clock going

(01:01:43):
off and reminding you thatyou're running out of time.
And I want to remind you nowthat time is all you have.
It's okay to reinvent yourselfover and over and over, as many
times as you need to, becausethat's what you're here to do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, all right.
So let's throw on the redlipstick, guys.
Let's see what's on the otherside of the door.
That's what I'm hearing.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't haveto be a red lipstick, because
you would not want to see me inthat.
But make some changes, makesome positive changes and just
go forward, push past the fear.
We're done with the fear.
You guys were too old for that.
Now we got to move on, we gotto push through, all right.

(01:02:18):
Well, thank you, cyn.
This has been so informative.
So you get your cosmic call onyou guys.
And, yeah, lots of good tips,tips on heart rate, everything.
We got all kinds out of Cyntoday Sex tips.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Hey, everything you talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Yeah, like just every part of your life can get
better.
That's my takeaway.
Okay, so thank you.
Thank you, Cyn, and feel freeto come back and talk about
whatever you want again.
Yeah, if you could anything newgoing on you come back and tell
us Thank you.
Thank you, listen.
I know your time is valuableand right now I'm feeling super
grateful and totally humbledthat you chose to hang out with

(01:02:56):
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You know the legal jargon.
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We're just two friends on thisjourney together and this
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