E52 -Deep Healing via Psychedelic Therapy & Soul Readings with Tammi Janel

Tammi Janel takes us on a profound exploration of soul healing through plant medicine and intuitive guidance in this revealing conversation about midlife transformation. When faced with a serious medical diagnosis, Tammi didn't just seek physical treatment—she wanted to understand the energetic roots behind her tumor. This quest led her to psychedelic-assisted therapy, specifically psilocybin, which helped her access suppressed childhood trauma she'd carried for decades. Unlike recreational use, therapeutic journeys with plant medicine involve careful preparation, intention-setting, and integration afterward. Tammi walks us through what these sessions entail. What makes Tammi's approach unique is how she weaves together multiple healing modalities. Her soul readings access what she calls "the language of soul"—imagery, feelings, and intuitive guidance that connects us with our higher selves and ancestral wisdom. During the podcast, she shares insights from the reading she just completed with host Jen, revealing how we can distinguish between ancestral lineage (patterns passed through blood) and soul lineage (our higher purpose). The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Tammi introduces her Devoted Soul Method—a seven-step process for soul-led living that includes witnessing, honoring, releasing, surrendering, co-creating, and celebrating. She explains why many of us hit walls in our healing journey despite years of therapy, energy work, and spiritual practices. Sometimes the mind understands what needs healing, but the body still holds onto trauma, requiring different approaches to create embodied transformation. As we reach midlife, Tammy reminds us that this is our chance to live authentically without regret. "Your soul is rooting for you," she says, encouraging listeners to consider what it would mean to look back at the end of life knowing we lived fully aligned with our deepest truth. Ready to transform your spiritual journey? Listen now and discover how these alternative healing paths might illuminate your way forward.

Tammi Janel is an animal communicator, intuitive healer & entrepreneur totally obsessed with inspiring you to connect deeply with our animal companions, the land we walk on & our own Soul's journey for a rich and fulfilling life.  Dedicated to helping you transform your connection to Soulful relationships with yourself, your animals, & your land! Tammi has been working in the healing arts for over 30 years and has a profound understanding of the consequences of being disconnected from ourselves and its impact on our physical, emotional and spiritual well-being. She founded a progressive healing arts center in 1999, a retreat center with a 10 acre healing forest in 2004, followed by a holistic pet wellness store & animal communication consultancy in 2009. Her most recent development is a unique 7 step method for Soul-led Living called The Devoted Soul Method where she offers immersive group retreats and individual coaching.  Her next endeavor is an expansion of her one-on-one teaching practice to steward in what she calls the unspoken language to a wider online audience.  She was featured in the audio documentary Spiritual Wayfinders released in 2024 by Mike Kavanaugh and additional guest spots on Inner Freedom Podcast.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey friend, welcome to the halfway to dead podcast.
I'm your host, jen Lovell.
Listen, you and I have reachedthat age where we are done with
the bullshit.
We know that midlife is ourchance to flip the script and
experience life on our own terms.
It's time to reconnect with ourhigher selves and reclaim our
inner peace.
Are you ready with an openheart and an open mind?

(00:26):
Awesome, you're in the rightplace.
Hop in and ride shotgun with meon this midlife spiritual
journey.
Hey, hey, pod friends.
So in today's episode Iinterviewed Tammy Janelle.
Tammy is an animal communicator,intuitive healer and
entrepreneur, totally obsessedwith inspiring you to connect
deeply.

(00:47):
She is dedicated to helping youtransform your connection to
soulful relationships withyourself, your animals and your
land.
She's been working in thehealing arts for over 30 years
and has a profound understandingof the consequences of being
disconnected from ourselves andits impact on our physical,
emotional and spiritualwell-being.
She founded a progressivehealing arts center in 1999, a

(01:09):
retreat center with a 10-acrehealing forest in 2004, followed
by a holistic pet wellnessstore and animal communication
consultancy in 2009.
Most recently, she developed aunique seven-step method for
soul-led living she calls theDevoted Soul Method, where she
offers immersive group retreatsand individual coaching.

(01:29):
Next on her list, guys, isshe's going to expand her
one-on-one teaching practice tosteward in what she calls the
unspoken language, to a wideronline audience.
So stay tuned for that with herguys.
What do we talk about today?
Well, what you need to know isthis is one of a two-part series
.
So today I interviewed Tammyand she tells us her spiritual

(01:50):
journey story, which includes abig medical diagnosis which
helped her uncover childhoodtrauma that she had suppressed,
and all of this led her intopsychedelic-assisted therapy,
and so that's kind of wherewe're going with this.
We talk about differentpsychedelic assisted therapies
and how psilocybin ended upreally helping her, okay, and we

(02:13):
aren't talking about psilocybinin a recreational manner today.
We're talking about itstherapeutic benefits as part of
a healing journey, okay, soright before we recorded, I had
a soul reading with her and itwas amazing.
We talk about it in the episode.
So we talk about what that'sall about, guys.

(02:33):
We talk about all kinds.
You know, you know me.
We go all over the place.
We talk about a bunch of reallycool stuff.
So, also, we talk about myreading.
But I want you to, when you getdone with this episode this
week.
Listen to our bonus content,because I actually talk more
about my soul reading sessionand I play some clips from it so
you can get an idea of whatthis session is like, because we

(02:54):
all wonder what are you talkingabout?
What does she say to you?
What do you have to say back?
I want you to get rid of allthe nerves, so I'm like your
guinea pig.
I'm going to let you hear someof the things she said to me and
give you some insights into howthis reading helped me, because
it really did help me, you guys.
So we talk about that.
Listen for the bonus episode,and then next week you guys drop

(03:19):
for part two, where we bring inher partner, ange, who we dig
much deeper into this psilocybinjourney thing.
Okay, we talk more about thedifferences between the
different plant journeys, kindof the science behind it.
We just dig in much deeper inpart two.
So stay tuned for that right.
That drops next week, but fortoday, let's jump in, because

(03:40):
you're going to love hearing allthis stuff Tammy and I talked
about today.
Okay, let's do this.
Hey, tammy, thanks for having metoday.
This is awesome, you guys.
I'm recording remote.
I'm at Tammy's little studiohere.
It's beautiful and serene.
Thanks for having me into yourspace and, just for reference, I
just had a session.
A couple hours I've alreadyspent with Tammy digging into my

(04:01):
stuff, you guys.
So we'll talk a little bitabout that and I think I might
even put a bonus episode thatdrops this with this one, so you
guys can peek in a little bitand hear some of the things.
Obviously, I'm not going totell you guys everything,
because that's personal.
This is my journey, guys.
I'm going to let this integrate.
I'm going to talk more about itfor the bonus episode.
So, tammy, tammy, we got totalk about your spiritual

(04:23):
journey story.
We're going to start there,because we've talked a lot about
me the last couple hours.
Yeah, we got to get into Tammyhere.
Go back as far as you want tostart.
I mean, you don't start withthe day you were born unless
it's pertinent but what's ledyou to where you are today?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, I think it does start when I was born, because
when, as I have done my work, Ihave recovered some information
about the very early days of myinfancy and you know, you only
have that clarity as you'redoing your work, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right, how are we talking?
So you uncovered some memoriesfrom like crib age.
Are we talking crib age here?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, Diapers, diapers.
Okay, yeah, you, you know, kindof always felt so.
I'm 52, I'm almost 53, so for avery long time I felt that
something was just a little off.
And living a great life doingall the things that were

(05:23):
supposed to be really great,doing everything for myself.
I don't want to give away toomuch, but you know what I'm
talking about, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I do Like really similar experience.
Yes, we're talking childhoodtrauma here.
And I've talked about it on theshow before.
You guys know that I have somechildhood trauma that I've
really had to work through.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
And so that is the feeling, right, it's this
feeling of you're doing lifegood, you're doing things pretty
good, and also there's somethings that are missing.
And so, through my young adultlife, got married, did all the
things and then started my ownhealing journey, probably when I
was 20, like really diving deep.

(06:03):
So I've been doing it for quitea while, you know, over two
decades of deep work, but mostrecently started working with
some psychedelics and that trulyopened the door.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, so what had you tried before that, though?
When you're saying I've beendoing the work for 20 years, was
it traditional therapy?
Had you already been in aspiritual place where you were
doing meditation, prayer?
What type of what are wetalking about 20 years of?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, so I actually just started dabbling in tarot
cards when I was like 19 or 20.
And I would do readings forfriends and I was just having
fun with it, or 20.
And I would do readings forfriends and I was just having
fun with it.
But I grew up in a family notspecifically my mom and dad, but
my uncle actually, both of myuncles were very much into

(06:54):
meditation and I grew up with,you know, vegetarianism and
Buddhist type of things.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, so you have a background, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
So I was familiar with those types of things and
so, yes, started doingmeditation and all Okay.
So you have a background.
Yeah, group of us and I wasdoing readings for people and I
had an acupuncturist and I had amassage therapist and but I was
very young, yeah, and so I wasjust kind of, you know, fumbling

(07:33):
along that path.
But every single thing that Icame into contact with similar
story to what you said earlierreally resonated with that Like
you're like a kid in a candystore.
You're like I want to do more,I want to learn more, I want to
just start All the things All ofa sudden.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I just want to know all the things, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I mean, you probably name it.
I've probably you know dabbledin it, tried it yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
But the psychedelic work for my own personal healing
was really pretty potent.
Okay, pretty potent, yeah,because you knew something was
still being suppressed in yourbody.
You still felt something wasoff, but you didn't know exactly
what that was yet.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I really had no idea.
I actually went in because Iwas diagnosed with a very large
tumor and I wanted to understandwhat that tumor was, why it was
in my body, Because of mybackground.
Mind-body connection was athing, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
That wasn't new to you.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I knew that if I just went and had surgery, that the
energy behind that tumor wouldstill be there.
And so my approach was I needto figure out what's the energy
behind that tumor would still bethere.
And so my approach was I needto figure out what's the energy
behind this physicalmanifestation in my body so that
I can make some corrections formyself.
And that is what I stepped intothe medicine for.

(08:56):
And as time went on, then Istarted kind of peeling back
more about why I live with somuch fear in my body.
I'm not a person who's afraidat all, but I could feel
something holding me back,containing me.
And that's when I went into amedicine session, actually with

(09:18):
the inquiry what is this fear?
I want to understand this fear.
And that's when those memoriescame to me in that session.
And from that moment forward,yeah, life's been pretty
different.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
How long ago was that ?
It was about five years ago.
Five years ago.
Okay, so midlife, this wasn'tsomething you figured out early,
halfway to dead man, and we'refiguring shit out, okay, oh,
okay, oh, lord, okay, so you gota lot of help from the
psychedelics.
They did from plant medicine,and so which one specifically
are we talking here?

(09:53):
Tell us a little bit, becauseI'm new to this whole plant
medicine trip thing.
I'm totally into hearing aboutit and loving it.
I have not done it yet, but I'mopen to it, so I want everyone
else listening who's maybe likethis could be for me.
I got some trauma.
What modalities are we talkingabout?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
So we first started working with which isn't
technically a plant medicine,but it's a psychedelic.
Is MDMA Okay?
Yep, Psychedelic assistedtherapy?
And then we've really movedtoward only working with plant
medicine, and specificallypsilocybin.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Psilocybin Okay, explain what psilocybin is.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's a mushroom.
It's a mushroom.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Magic mushroom, the old magic shrooms.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because there are all different versions of mushrooms
.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Some are not psychedelic as the others.
Okay, so psilocybin ispsychedelic and so are you
eating this mushroom.
Tell me exactly how you'regetting this in your body.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
What we have done is, it is grown, and then it is
dried, and then it is ground,and so we take it in a pill form
.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
In a pill form.
So you're regulating exactlyhow much you're getting.
You're not just grabbing into abag of mushrooms and
willy-nilly in it.
You guys, that's not what thisis about.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
You guys have figured out what dosing is.
It low and slow, like cannabisor anything else?
I think.
Actually, we found that thesevery small doses, less than one
gram, are really potentexperiences.
If you're going in with thatintention behind it and you're
not, you know you're doing it ina guided setting.
You're not doing it with othersubstances.

(11:30):
In other words, a lot of peoplewho are doing it recreationally
are also doing it while they'redrinking.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay, Alcohol, that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking abouttherapeutically using it to dive
in and get some stuff done,correct.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay With intention.
With intention and withguidance, with guidance and with
a plan of integrating whatyou've discovered, because the
way I describe it so you justexperienced a reading with me
that is the language of soul,okay, which comes in.
You know images and picturesand feelings and you have to

(12:04):
discern it.
You have to.
You know images and picturesand feelings and you have to
discern it.
You have to, you have to, youknow.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Because you're connecting with me, your soul,
my soul.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Right, okay, so it's a language of its own, okay, and
I do say that these spaces thatyou go into with the
psychedelics is that language,and so if you go in and you need
to come back out of that, then,knowing that you've gathered
all of this really coolinformation, you've seen images
that are probably very strange,right, you've had experiences

(12:34):
that you're not really totallyunderstanding.
It's a little weird, but torecognize that that is actually
soul's language, you'reconnecting to a totally
different language.
That's why integrationafterwards is so massively
important, because someone likemyself who, I mean, I've been
doing these readings that youexperienced today for over 30

(12:57):
years I know the language well.
So for me to go in and have anexperience sometimes I'm
integrating it while I'm in itbecause I'm getting it but a lot
of people we call these ourmedicine students and we teach
them this work to deciphersoul's language but a lot of
these students they don't comein.
No one's doing readings.

(13:20):
They don't know that language.
But that's what you are doingwhen you're going into these
spaces, is you're experiencingsoul's language.
So the integration after asession is to take all these
images, all these pictures, allthese experiences and make sense
of it for yourself in this timeand space.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yes, Because is the experience like a meditation,
but so much deeper Because Ihave visions and things during
my meditations, right, thatafterwards I have to think about
and kind of interpret like what, what's going on with that
spirit animal or what was?
Why did we do that, right?
So is it unlocking yoursubconscious, unconscious a
little bit more.

(14:00):
It's helping you drop downpretty deep.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would think Drop down pretty deep and also
connect in to the universallanguage.
Drop down.
When you say drop down, I thinkdropping down into my
subconscious, into the like wewere talking about earlier, into
the connective tissue, likewhat's inside of that.
Exploring the caves and thecaverns but a lot of people's

(14:28):
medicine work too after there'sa lot of deep exploration in the
caves and the caverns.
Have these really beautiful,more universal experiences for
themselves.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Okay, like tell me about one so people listening
understand what you mean byexperiences that you could have.
What would be a good example ofan experience that one might?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
have when they're doing the old psilocybin.
They're exploring anddiscovering some deeper stuff
that was, you know, inside ofher own tissue, like very on the
ground types of things, butended up coming out of that

(15:11):
session with this reallybeautiful concept that she
discovered while she was inthere, applicable to her own
life, but really also a verycollective Collective
instruction for us.
Collective instruction.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
And I don't know what her actual experience was, but
what she came out with.
Was this really gorgeous?
It's a concept around your owninner masculine, the feminine,
the child, the mother, and hadall this really beautiful
drawings and it really informedher own life, but it also

(15:44):
informed me was beautiful.
So that's what I'm saying, likethese bigger universal concepts
or bigger universalunderstandings of how to
navigate the very earthlyexperiences that we have, that
are frustrating and, you know,crazy, and all the things that

(16:06):
occur to us on a daily basis,and so how to manage some of
those things that are going onin our own life with a bigger
picture mentality.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, so there's big picture stuff coming through and
also things just if someone'sjust like I need to heal it
brings it's open things.
Does it open things up so youcan get a more clear picture of
what you've been?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
through, I think for myself.
Even one of the things thatreally affected me growing up
was my dad passed away when Iwas about 20.
And it happened quickly becausehe held his illness in secret
for five years before he passedaway.
So I only learned of this fiveweeks before he died and a lot

(16:55):
of things came with that and Istruggled with that in a massive
way and in my initial sessionsof medicine, work at a very
personal level came to somereally important reconciliations
and you can say well, whetherhe really showed up, you know,
or I was in that space, havingall of these really beautiful

(17:19):
moments of reconciling with himand him, apologizing and feeling
so much love and feeling hisregret, feeling why did he do
what he did?
Like a lot of understanding andin soul's way, like in sometimes
it was just I'm so sorry that Idied when you were so young

(17:43):
versus images and pictures thathelp us work out and experience
the alchemy inside of thepsychedelic space, like being
around a fire with him and withparts of myself that were very
hurt, little parts of myselfthat have been trapped inside of
me, still longing for whateverhe took away when he died, right

(18:04):
.
So there's a lot of alchemy.
That can happen too in thatpsychedelic space.
Is it common?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
for past loved ones to appear in those visions.
If that's something we'reneeding, they'll be there.
Okay, so yeah, and you candebate on if he was really, if
you were really connecting withhim, or if it doesn't really
matter because it's healingeither way, right?
I mean, we don't need to debatethat.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Really, we don't need to debate that.
Really we don't need to debatethat.
And that was actually mypartner, one of her medicine
sessions.
Really, she came out havingexperienced this whole past life
, like her whole medicinesession was a past life.
Yes, ma'am, okay, came out andsaid the line between what is

(18:48):
real and what is just animagination is very, very thin.
And don't question it, justdon't question it.
That is the language you'rebeing given.
And to really embrace thelessons and the learnings, from
it.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
It seems, even neuroscience studies showing
that our body brains don't knowreality from not when we're in
visualization anyway.
So you're healing.
Whether you believe thatperson's really there with you,
it doesn't matter.
Our bodies and our minds webelieve it, it's real, so it's
going to have the same reallybeneficial effect.
A mindset do we need to be inif we're thinking about it, if

(19:26):
we're like like myself, if I'mlike no, I want to do this.
This sounds like somethingweird.
Is there a mindset or a placewe need to be in before we jump,
because you don't just jumpinto this stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
No, I mean no.
What we do is we require, youknow, at least three sessions of
preparation to enter a spaceand we really cultivate an
intention going in, an intentionwith flexibility.
You know you can have anintention going in, but
flexibility without anexpectation of what that
actually looks like.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So three sessions with no psilocybin at all.
Just let's talk this through,let's see what you need.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
We do some therapeutic work, internal
family systems.
We use that model of therapy towork with parts of ourselves,
because that usually comes up inthese psychedelic spaces and
also we typically always haveeveryone start with a soul
reading and what that does is itclears like the path toward the

(20:25):
medicine.
Okay, yep, like the path towardthe medicine.
It illuminates things thateither need to come into the
light or move things off of thepath that aren't as important as
potentially the person thinksto get to the deeper elements of
the work.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Okay, and then after those three sessions, then we're
ready to dive in.
And so what does that look like?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, so you, you know I'll just speak for myself
and just arriving withcomfortable clothes on and all
of the like, logistical things,like making sure that everything
is tended to in your normallife that won't distract you for
the day, all of that kind ofthing.
And then we we move into sortof this statement of what your

(21:10):
intention is and we do some sageclearing and it's a really
beautiful sacred experience.
It's considered a sacredceremony entering into the space
and you have a playlist that weuse.
We have people in headphonesand eye shades and then we rock

(21:32):
and roll, you take your medicine.
How long does it take to kickin?
Maybe about 40 minutes, 40minutes.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you're just kind of restating your intentions and
connecting with the sacrednessof the day and all the things
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
And it's the safe way to go about this too, because
you're with people who know whatthey're doing.
You know what I mean?
I don't want to just do someshrooms at home and shit hits
the fan.
I don't know what's like.
No, that sounds like a terribleidea.
So my thought is that's aterrible idea.
You guys don't do that.
Don't just, if someone offersyou a bag of mushrooms, bring
them home.
No, okay.
So you need to have someone whoknows what they're doing, knows

(22:07):
how to integrate you If youstart freaking out or something
feels off, someone that can bethere with you right To help you
through.
That's very important for these.
This is what I've heard.
Like I said, I haven't done ityet, but this is what I've heard
.
Okay, and I want to talk moreabout this, because people hear
the word intention a lot what'syour intention?
Set your intention.
We go with intention.
Explain that a little bit,because people newer in their

(22:28):
spiritual journey that might noteven have a full understanding
what that means.
How do I figure out what myintention is?
Are you talking like specific?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
It gives an idea of what an intention that someone
might set before these sessionswould be Well for example, mine,
which I already spoke about,which was what is the energy
behind this physical tumor thatI have in my body?
I want to understand that.
I want to learn about that.
We've had people come in withthis really beautiful concept of

(22:57):
how I want to understand, howto integrate my feminine aspect
and my male aspect.
She had a repressed memory ofbeing raped at the age of five,
and her whole entire world thatshe built and created is now
being questioned because shebuilt it and created it from
that wound to place, that placeof pain, and so in her journey

(23:21):
through her work, the medicinehas been a way for her to look
back on the past.
That was her intention going in.
I want to understand the lifeI've built from this wounded
place.
Sit in the present moment withwhat that looks like, pay homage
to my life as it is right nowbecause it came from that place,

(23:43):
and then what does it look likenow to turn toward living from
a very whole place, and how doesthat look for me now?
What are the possibilities ofmy life now being healed and and
or at least still on thehealing journey?
So that was, that's been herintention the whole time.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
So an intention could be very specific or not.
Is that right, like it could be, I just I want to figure out
how I ended up on this path.
I'm on.
How did I get here?
How do I get off it?
I don't know.
Are these all intentions, okay?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
You got it, I think.
I think each person I thinkeach person has their own very
unique spin on what an intentionlooks like and if it feels too
broad or too vague.
That's what the preparationwork is about.
By the time they're donepreparing, it's shifted quite a
bit as to what the realintention is.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
So it sounds like that pre-work is real important.
Okay, all right.
You guys, I'm always tellingeverybody we got a lot of work
to do sometimes in thesespiritual journeys, so this is
part of it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I also say that we've had people come to us who
believe that they want to dosacred medicine, but just even
through the preparation workthey find such peace that they
don't actually ever do it.
We've had people who say I feellike I'm good right now and
then come back in a year and say, okay, I'm ready, I'm ready,

(25:12):
okay.
So the preparation is massivelyimportant because sometimes it
just clears a path for you tocontinue moving forward until
then it calls you again.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, and some may feel like, well, I've already
been doing a lot of work on myspiritual journey, but it's
still necessary to do thepreparation work with the person
who's going to be on thisjourney with you, right?
I mean, if someone's going tocall you and be like, no, I've
done a lot of work, I'm ready,let's just schedule it, no, we
don't, we don't, you aren'tdoing that.
There might be people out thereguides.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Gosh, we have such reverence for the work that
we've created a pretty rigorousprotocol and we feel really
really good about that.
And if somebody doesn't want toembark on that particular
protocol, that's okay, butthat's for sure we really highly
encourage it.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So have you ever done the ayahuasca?
No, because I hear storiesabout that, where people are
vomiting, shitting their pants.
I don't know, tammy, is this Ijust wanted to spell, is this?
Something we need to worryabout with the psilocybin Side
effect wise, I guess, I'd sayduring a session or after.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
What can we expect?
One of the women I'm talkingabout, who's done a lot of work
with us, actually did ayahuascain Costa Rica, and we met her
because she wanted to prepare ina really intentional way and
then, after the Costa Ricanexperience, be able to come home
and continue to integrate, soshe would be a really great

(26:42):
person to talk about that andshe would call that purging,
vomiting all the things.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, that's some purging.
Purging, yes.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
With psilocybin, it's pretty typical to get a little
something in your belly, butwe've never had anybody purge in
that way.
Okay, so some rumbles, buteverything's not coming out.
No, okay, everything's notcoming out.
Just in your experience thingsare coming out, but not in your

(27:11):
actual physical body.
And how long does thepsilocybin last, Depending on
your dosage?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
you could go anywhere from three hours to eight hours
, yep, so it's a full day thing.
And then do you feel anythingonce it's worn off, is there any
after effects?
Or the next day Is everythingjust kind of other than
emotionally what you're going tofeel.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know honestly, the reason why we've trended
toward only using psilocybin isbecause when the medicine is
done, you are very present andyou're pretty much back in the
world and on your feet veryquickly, which is a wonderful
thing.
You cannot say that about MDMAbecause of its serotonin

(27:47):
disruption Okay, yeah, thepsilocybin does not and so it
feels a lot safer in terms ofthat, even that emotional
stability.
We've had very good outcomes inthat way.
So if we're going to do it, ona Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Do we need to take Wednesday off work?
It would be great.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's probably a real good idea.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
People not because you're sick in bed, but just
because you're gonna need aminute to absorb.
You're gonna need them.
You're not gonna be sick, butyou're probably gonna need a
minute to absorb everything thatyour mind has just come forward
with don't have to take thefollowing day off, but it's
always really a nice we doencourage people to have a
little buffer day, yeah, beforeyou head back into the real
world.
It's a sacred experience youknow sacred ceremony.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
You're going in with it.
It's just a sacred experienceand so, even that next day, to
be with yourself in such asacred way because then you keep
saying the word integration,integration.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
What exactly are you saying?
What it means?
You need to have goodintegration after this.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
What that means is you've had you know, say you've
had an eight-hour journey of allof these experiences inside of
the sacred medicine session.
You need to on a regular basis.
We call that active integration.
Take the time to remember thestory that you were told inside
that sacred space and how thendoes that story become part of
your daily life, how does thatstory from the sacred medicine

(29:14):
apply to you in your daily life?
And you know to sit with that,to meditate with that, to
integrate that.
That is the whole point,Because there isn't really any
point in going in and havingthis big experience and then
just forgetting it ever happened, Right, yeah, you got to stay

(29:35):
on it Because people will dothat, People may do that.
It becomes like nourishment foryour soil.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
How do I keep nourishing the seeds that I'm
planting or how do I continue tomove forward on my journey?
That work you did in the activesession, each component of that
work, is intentionally woventhrough what you're going

(30:02):
through in your life.
And how does it matter?
Why does it matter?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Because what we're talking about using psilocybin
for today is for part of ourspiritual journey, for healing,
for opening up, not, oh, I wouldlike to just have a psychedelic
moment and watch the trees talkto me and see pretty rainbows.
No, that's not what we'retalking about here.
This isn't recreational.
That we're talking about thisis with a very clear purpose in

(30:27):
mind for it, right?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Having a recreational experience seems very
overwhelming to me.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
It seems like an overwhelming experience, I think
that's part of the scary partof people when they're faced
with should I do this or not?
Or considering it is the stigmaof like am I just going to be
tripping out?
No one's going to care, I'mgoing to be addicted, I'm going
to be like it's druggy and it's.
You know.
I'm not that person, right.
I didn't even do cannabis untilit was like legal.
You know what I mean.
I was a little stickler.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
But what I'm saying is, I think that a lot of that
stigma for I was like I'm notfrying my brain like an egg, so
it's dispelling some of that.
We got to have a plan and Ithink for me the tipping point,
because before I startedparticipating in the psychedelic
medicine myself, I was sittingfor people, because the woman I

(31:25):
work with she brought this backto.
Because the woman I work withshe brought this back to our
core group of people sometherapists and myself and I was
that person.
I have to have really amazingevidence that this is important
to healing work and so I decidedthat I didn't want to step into

(31:45):
that, decided that I didn'twant to step into that.
But what changed my mind was Iwas watching another woman go
through these sessions and overtime I watched her connect dots
in her life that blew me out ofthe water.
I said, if she can do that, I'min.

(32:06):
Because that blew my mind.
I was like I think I might wantto try this and I mean I was
nervous, trust me, like I waslike all the things, oh for sure
, yeah, I didn't want to, likeyou know, poo in my pants and
pee in the bed.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
And start vomiting and like, start spouting off to
strangers a bunch of crazy shit.
It's vulnerable, it's veryvulnerable.
So it's important you work withthe right person.
If this is something you guysfeel like you want to do on your
journey, you need to findsomeone in your area that's
reputable.
Do you have any insight forthat?
Are there some red flags?
Is there something we shouldreally be aware of as we're
choosing someone to go on thesejourneys with us?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I mean being massively comfortable with the
person and being listened to,being heard.
Are they preparing with you?
Are they going to integratewith you?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's all of that it sounds like, if they don't do
any prep work, just come in andtake mushrooms.
That feels like a no to me,because you just explained how
there's prep for it you need tothat feels like a no.
That feels like a no, and alsoI think that's good, because if
we're in the prep and we're notcomfortable with that person, we
just don't get to that pointwith them.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Right, because you're getting to know.
I mean, we've had plenty ofpeople who we don't know and
they're just strangers.
Right, and do we jive together?
Right?
Do we, you know?
Are we, do we feel, you know,connected?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Because the experience isn't going to work
well.
If that isn't there, correct.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You will never be able to.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
You aren't going to be comfortable enough to go
where you need to go, and it'sjust, it's not going to work.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Correct.
Yeah, because it's such avulnerable space you really do
have to be massively comfortable.
Yeah, and I also would say wealways have at least two guides
sitting in a session, so it'snever just the person doing the
active session and one guide.
There's always two of us, nomatter what, and sometimes three

(34:00):
, okay, so say more about this.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So all right.
So we're in the room andthere's a main person guiding
the journey.
Is that what you're saying,like a main Well?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
that's really kind of a misnomer.
We actually aren't always supercomfortable calling ourselves
guides.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Not guiding.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Okay, so there's a main, but that is a typical name
for the work or sitter you havea main sitter there.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
So you're saying there's more than one person in
the room, so that there's like aI don't know what a lead head
coach.
I don't know what are we saying.
There's someone there that'skind of really keeping an eye on
things, and then more sitter.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Really, the point of a sitter is to hold space for
the person in the active session.
So we're meditating, we're justholding space.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Because the person let's just say it was me I
wouldn't necessarily be layingthere like I'm taking a nap for
eight hours.
I'm sitting up, I'm talking,I'm trying to understand.
Are we having conversation, youand I, or am I just having
conversations with myself in thecorner?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Sometimes what typically would happen.
I can speak for my own personaljourney.
You're out here, you're talkingabout your intention, then you
put your headphones and your eyemask on and then I lay down,
and then you got to pee about 10times.
We need an eight hour thing here, right, and you're aware enough

(35:14):
to know you have to go to thebathroom.
So then you get up, you go tothe bathroom, you go back down,
you go back into your story thatyou're in, in your active
session.
Sometimes you come out becauseyou want to process something.
We've had people lay down foreight hours and never say a word
.
It's just all internal, it'sall internal.

(35:36):
And then do they remember itafter for integration, yes.
And then we've had people likeI myself.
I like to speak.
What I see is because that's mywork, that's like a soul
reading, so I'm tracking with itat the same time, and all in
between, you know people comingin and out wanting to capture
something that they justexperienced.
Okay, can you write that down?
We have another person wholikes to just journal herself.

(35:56):
So it's just, it is reallytruly what you, okay, so it's a
team effort.
It's a team effort, but also wedo encourage that you stay
inside as much as possible.
We do know that there arepeople who are out there
facilitating these psilocybinjourneys where it's a little
more outside, like potentiallyout in the environment.

(36:19):
But what we're cultivating hereis really an internal
experience and that's the deephealing work.
Sometimes people will come outand say I really want to just go
sit outside and we can do that,you know.
Curl up on the grass for anhour or something, yeah, but for
the most part.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Stay in this confined type space.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, what we've cultivated over the years for
our holistic experience isstaying inside and being with
yourself.
Okay, all right, I love it Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
All right, I love this journey thing.
And hey guys, listen, I'vealready done step one of three
sessions, so let's talk aboutthis.
I mentioned at the beginningthat I just had a soul.
Would you call this soulreading?
I feel like I have kind of acombo of all the things you do.
Would you call this soulreading?
I feel like I have kind of acombo of all the things you do.

(37:10):
So you have different sessions.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Is there a big difference between them?
If people are figuring stuffout Really, I think sometimes
people come to me for morespecific, very specific things
that they're working on and,depending on what I see when we
go into the work, it can turninto more of they're having a
call, they're having like asoulful soul's knocking on their

(37:34):
door.
Yeah Okay, or they need toremember who they are so that
they can move forward.
It's so different each time.
A traditional energetic wellnessreading you know I did your
chakras.
Energetic wellness reading youknow I did your did your chakras
.
Part of the reason I did thatis because you had mentioned
wanting to connect to thisauthenticity, and also then you

(37:55):
use the word blockages.
What are the blockages?
I need to be aware of somethings that are holding me back,
right, and so sometimes thechakra reading is a really nice
way to to bring an awareness tothat specific, very specific,
compartmentalized area of yourlife, because each of the
chakras deal with or hold ortranslate the energy that fall

(38:20):
into different categories inyour life, right.
So that helps kind of clear thepath, move away.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yes, and make sure you listen to the bonus episode
after this, because I'll have itin there after I've fully
integrated this all throughmyself.
Everything we went through, butwe did go through every single
chakra and it was not what youexpect with each chakra, like
you dig in there and you reallyget a feeling.
Help me with this, becauseduring the session a lot of
times you're like, okay, so what, I'm seeing, what I'm hearing,

(38:48):
what are you tapping into whenyou're doing these sessions,
these soul readings?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
energetic readings.
I'm tapping into your higherself, your soul.
I'm tapping into your physicalspace, tapping into thoughts,
thought patterns, what's in yourmind.
So when you say, what am Itapping into?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, because I'm saying like your energy, it's
just because some people arelike I'm I'm connecting with
your angels and gettinginformation for them.
I'm connecting with your spiritteam.
I'm getting information fromthem.
I'm talking to your deceasedloved one right now, that's I
guess I'm saying so people haveclarity because every I'm
everywhere, cause I've heardpeople say, oh, I'm not going to
get a reading.
I don't really have that manypeople to come through for me

(39:28):
from the other side, like pastloved ones.
Especially if you're younger,you haven't lost people yet.
Readings aren't about that.
Always, you guys.
This is about tapping andthere's always someone waiting
to talk and help you out right,your higher self, your own
subconscious, your own spiritteam, your angels, whatever your
own spirit team, your angels,whatever, I think it is exactly

(39:49):
that.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I think you hit the nail on the head with that,
which is there is guidance.
There is guidance for us.
We are not doing this alone,and wherever that guidance comes
from, whether it is, I've hadit all.
I've had people have a guidecome through and I'm very aware

(40:11):
this person is a guide.
I've had people that havecrossed over, even for you today
.
This started happening a coupleof years ago for me, where what
I'm understanding was theinformation that I learned was
somewhere along the way in yourancestral lineage, your blood
went wrong a little bit and wehave continued to accumulate the

(40:35):
contamination of that throughthe DNA.
Someone who would come here isreally and you brought
authenticity.
What is the truth.
That is where that person whocomes in is.
I don't know who she is.
She's the keeper of you know,this beautiful information of
where the lineage went wrong,and she can see beyond the paper

(40:59):
trail right.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Explain what you just said about like somewhere our
blood got tainted.
Are you saying like physically,in an ancestor?
Something went very wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
They stored it in their body and we've just kept
it going Somewhere along the waythere was a massive trauma that
occurred, and that fear, thatshame, that guilt, all of those
things became part of what waspassed down that had nothing to
do with the person who's evenliving those things.

(41:31):
It's not even theirs to beliving, but it's been passed
down.
So we you and I, as50-somethings, and all the
people who are halfway to deadhave accumulated the not just
your own personal experienceswith guilt or shame, but all the
experiences that you don't evenknow about have been

(41:54):
accumulated and accumulated, andaccumulated.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Because you had someone come through where I say
someone I don't know how toexplain it, but who was like
many, many, great, great, great,great, great grandmas.
I mean, I don't even know howit was the great great great,
great, great.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Don't even know how it was the great, great, great,
great, great, great, greatgrandma, who was saying I could
see her.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yes, and I, like an ancestor, I've never met you
guys like a great, great, great,great grandma who, unless you
were aware of someone in yourlineage like that, that I
explained.
Yeah I didn't, but I don't knowmy lineage very far back, so but
and it was like illness, therewas just a lot going on that was
stored, and so what you'resaying is she came through to
let me know some of these things, what some of this damage

(42:33):
that's been done, that I'mcarrying, and so what we talked
about too, was the fact thatsometimes just gaining that
knowledge this is why thesereadings can be helpful Gaining
that knowledge helps you seemore clearly, helps you heal.
It sounds weird to say cleanthe blood, but you're going to
purify that so that you'reactually doing this and helping

(42:54):
out all the generations to comeafter you.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
And in your own healing, you really are healing
Backwards and forwards.
Yes, exactly.
You really are and I said thisto you in the reading we really
do spend.
It's my own personal opinion.
We spend far too much time.
Our ancestral lineage you knowthe crap from our own childhoods
, the you know all that.

(43:20):
We spend a lot of time.
We spend the majority of ourlife Thinking about that.
Yeah, sometimes people spendtheir whole life trying to work
it out and figure it out andunderstand it.
It actually is pretty simple.
It's like having a reading inthat way allows you to
understand what the truth ofyour blood is.
The truth there's a piece inthat.

(43:42):
Then you can turn toward whoyou are as a soul, which has
nothing to do with your blood.
The blood just got you here, youare as a soul which has nothing
to do with your blood.
The blood just got you here.
The blood was the vehicle thatbrought you in.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
You have a lineage of that, but the truth of who you
are is that you are a soul, sothere's a difference between
ancestral lineage and soullineage.
That's what you're saying.
Okay, so soul lineage differsbecause it's the journey your
soul has gone through versusyour physical incarnations and
this whole bloodline that wehave going on.
Okay, all right, so there aretwo different things.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's my understanding.
That's what I've come to learn.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Okay.
So if we could focus more onthat soul work is that what I'm
hearing you say?
That's where some real changecomes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
When someone wants to live their life in an authentic
, like really authentic way,questions that Like who am I
Right?
The soul lineage is where weneed to focus.
You're always going to have aquality of who you are from your
ancestors.
That is part of who you are,but it is a part of who you are.

(44:52):
It isn't actually who you are.
There's actually more burdenfrom that lineage than from your
soul lineage.
And when you want to reallyunderstand who you are, what
your purpose is, or how toremember your purpose and living
in a really deep, authentic way, the soul lineage is where that
is at, because that can be veryfreeing to work there, instead

(45:17):
of just the generational traumas.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
I mean that we all have in our lineage Everyone
listening already knows this,especially by the age we're at
now but we don't get out of anylifetime unscathed here, and
there's a lineage that we gotfrom other people for us and
we're handing it down too.
We can do all the work in theworld.
We're still handing some stuffdown to the next generation.
Hey, we don't want them to bebored, right, they need to do

(45:41):
the work.
I'm just kidding.
You guys, of course they wantto heal everybody, but I feel
like I can only handle so muchin one lifetime.
You guys, of course they wantto heal everybody, but I feel
like I can only handle so muchin one lifetime, you guys.
That's all I'm saying.
Okay, so we did a combinationreading because, like I said, I
did have people like great,great, great, great great
grandmothers advising through onsome things.

(46:02):
Also, we kind of realized thatthere was a little bit of a
darkness still attached to meand explain to everybody how you
explain that to me, because wetalked about my sacred space and
how I've done the work to getthings out of my sacred space.
But there's, but something'sstill clinging on right.
I think I've let go, but theway you explain it is they

(46:23):
haven't let go and they beingthis darkness, this, what is
this?
What are you?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
specifically that was .
It was an energy that was feltvery oppressive.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
It was very heavy like heavy on your back, heavy
on your shoulder yeah, becauseshe she even let me know where
in my body I would feel some ofthis, because you even said it's
attached more behind me on myleft side, or something like
that.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, and I don't know like attached feels a
little intrusive where thelanguage was for you more just
outside perimeter, like you'vedone a great job.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, getting them out of my sacred space.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
You've done a great job at establishing some really
good boundaries and someenergetic boundaries, but it's
like right on the perimeter ofthat, outside of that sacred
space, where the voice or theecho of oppression and
worthiness and judgment is stilllingering.
So, in the language of thedevoted soul method, which is an
integration model we use forreadings and for psychedelic

(47:25):
therapy, is witnessing andhonoring yourself.
So you've done a lot of workover the years.
You've witnessed yourself,you've witnessed the parts of
yourself that were wounded.
You've honored yourself alongthe way.
You've let go, but letting gois only half of what we need to

(47:46):
do.
We also need to release, whichmeans you've let go, but it
hasn't let go of you.
And it being that darkness whichcould be fear, inadequacy,
whatever collective body thatwas hanging over you, that would

(48:06):
send those little voices, thatkind of infiltrate your brain
every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Right, because we talked about that turns into
rumination sometimes for us.
Who do you think you are?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, who are you to do?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
that.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, you're not really worthy of that.
Those little posts, that wholebody that was behind you, that's
the voice of that body.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
So the second half of the work because, like you said
, I'd done enough work to kindof clear my sacred space, but
then it was still, it's stillclinging to, still still there
Too close.
It's still too close is whatI'm saying.
So what is that second part ofthat work we all need to do to
to complete that process?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
The release and surrender are the next steps to
complete that process.
The release and surrender arethe next steps and we did that
today.
We did that for you today,where you were able to go into
that imagery with me.
That's the alchemy of the work.
When you're getting soul workdone like that, the alchemy
inside of that session is okay.
I want you to visualize thattoo.
You were seeing really similarthings to what I was seeing.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yes, as she was saying things, there were points
where she was seeing something.
I would see something visuallyand do something, and then it
would come out of her mouth yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
And that's the alchemy You're shifting the
energy.
Energy is not created ordestroyed, it is only
transmutated and into adifferent form.
So when we are inside of thatspace, working with the psychic
alchemy we are taking, so, forexample, I could see it as a
silhouette with tentacles.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yes, and I saw that too.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And very slowly it was starting to dissipate and
disintegrate.
But we both agree that it's apretty strong energy and it's
not just going to blow up.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
No, it wasn't gone.
I couldn't get it.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
It's not gone today, you guys, I'm not done, so the
continued understanding of whatthat is and how to recognize it
in your life.
So as you're moving forward,say you're doing some work and
you hear this little voice.
Who are you to do that?
Yep, that's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Then you can identify and be like not today Like
that's, where's that echo?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yep.
And then the surrender piece ofthat is to trust in a very deep
way that you are making theshifts and changes.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
It's just taking time , it's just trusting in a
massive way that you're doingthe work okay, yeah yeah, so
that's vitally important becausewe dug in and we got to the
point, because it feels I wantyou guys to understand that
readings like this feel verytherapeutic also.
This, okay, so it feels reallylike therapy, but with a

(50:46):
spiritual twist to it.
You're getting guidance frommore than just the other humans
sitting across from you.
Okay, you're pulling inguidance from things that are a
lot smarter than we are.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Higher self.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yes, higher self, all of it.
And that did come through forme, because for a lot of it,
tammy's eyes are closed as she'sfocusing in on it all, and so I
found myself closing my eyes alot of the time too, just
because sometimes I do have abusy brain and I start looking
at all the things on our shelvesand I start wandering a little
bit Okay, which is goodsometimes, to ground yourself,
to look at something, groundyourself back into it.
So I ended up closing my eyestoo, so that I could feel

(51:23):
meditated and I could visualizewith you, right, I could see
things.
And that's where some of thatcame in, where I was seeing
things.
And then, shortly after youwould say it and I'd be like, oh
, I just saw that, like that'sexactly what I just did in my
own mind.
So we got to that point.
She made me cry, you guys, like,which is good.
I'm not saying that in a badway, you guys, but that's how

(51:44):
you know the work is working,when you can tap into the
emotions that need to be tappedinto, right, that's if it's all
fluffy, foo-foo, you're, I meanyou're not getting anywhere, and
I think that there's a potencyto having yourself be witnessed
in a way that is like reallydeep and the psychic healing
work is it's beyond right.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's just very, very deep and so you feel the tears
come from being deeply witnessed.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, and that's what that is, and it's Because it's
healing, to also feel thosefeelings, release them by mode
of crying or whatever in frontof someone else, in front of
someone you just met honestlytoday, but also being held in
that, knowing that that's safe,seeing that that's okay.
I think that helps us open upin other instances in our life.
Then, too, and be okay withshowing a little bit more

(52:33):
emotion.
If you're someone like me whosuppresses emotion a bit, okay,
it's nice when you're withsomeone who really is no skin in
the game.
Right, if I don't ever want tosee Tammy again, I don't have to
.
So it's a safe space that way.
It's not like you know, and Ithink it can lead you to be more
vulnerable than with the peoplewho are in your lives on a
daily basis.
Right, because you feel seen,you feel safe.

(52:56):
Now You've said it once to astranger and it didn't, you know
, go poorly.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I don't know I'm railing on now, but I'm saying
it's a private experience andit's very healing and cathartic
for you just to be in that safespace.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
As you say, it's almost like traditional therapy
or anything else.
You're in a safe space, youknow that the things happening
in this room aren't aren'theading, you know the whole
town's not hearing about thethings I'm talking about.
So it is just very therapeuticand with this little spiritual
twist I think, brings it deeper.
You guys, because I, many, many, I've talked on the show about
many, many readings, meditations, different things since the

(53:34):
spiritual journey that have beenmore therapeutic in one session
than many, many, many trips totraditional therapy.
And that's nothing againsttraditional therapy, you guys.
You do you, but when you'reready to level up, this is a
really, really important way todo it.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I agree, I think and I utilize.
I don't do traditional,traditional therapy anymore.
I utilize a therapist who isversed in the internal family
systems.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
And just because I find that it's really potent,
it's a, it's a really great wayto just know yourself and
continue to work with yourself.
It becomes a lifestyle.
To just know yourself andcontinue to work with yourself,
it becomes a lifestyle.
So therapy in and of itself is,I think, an excellent
complement to anyone's journey.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Sure but the.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
IFS work is really excellent as a complement to the
spiritual work.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Okay and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
So the energetic wellness session, just to be
clear, that's more of the onewhere you're going to focus on
those chakras.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
A little bit more.
Yeah, focus on the chakras alittle more.
Or someone's coming in with avery specific, very, very
specific thing going on in theirlife.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Okay, maybe physical, because you can focus on that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, I had someone come in just feeling really off,
feeling physically not well, soI just started going inside of
each of the chakras and we wereable to determine that she had
Lyme's disease.
Oh okay, and at the time shehad no diagnosis and of course

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I'm like, well, we have to takethis with a grain of salt.
I was familiar with Lyme, sowhen I was looking at it I
understood what was happening.
And, sure enough, she went tothe doctor a couple of weeks
after and had a positive resultand because of that, you know,
was able to get the help sheneeded and started feeling

(55:28):
better literally immediately.
So sometimes people come inwith these very specific things.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Almost like when you had the tumor.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
When I had the tumor Specific Okay, like, where did
that come from?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, because in that case, you're not necessarily
coming in to figure out what itis, how to heal it.
You're coming in to figure outwhat's behind it, so that once
that tumor is removed from yourbody or whatever you're doing
with the tumor, you know whathappened, so that it doesn't
happen again.
Yeah, that energy doesn't sitstagnant in your body still, all
right.
So that's your energeticwellness session, and then the

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soul reading.
What's the difference for thatone then?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, I mean, I think the soul reading is more about
people being called tounderstand who they are, people
feeling stagnant in their life,looking for purpose, looking for
purpose, and that's where theancestral lineage and soul
lineage kind of thing comes intoright.
Okay, and you know, to behonest, they intermingle a lot.

(56:28):
Yeah, you know sometimessomeone's going to come in for,
say, a soul reading and then allof a sudden we're just going to
be, like you know, looking atthe chakras, because you're just
going to go wherever you'reguided to go, whatever that
specific person needs, you don'thave a list, you go down, it's
just like okay, what do you?
need today?
Yeah, what's your intention forthe session and where is that

(56:51):
information now coming from?
Do we need to look at your body?
Do we need to look at your mind?
Do we need to look at yourspirit?
Where do we need to look?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
at yes, Okay, so that .
So you've got those twosessions.
Then you have.
I saw the devoted soul coachingsessions.
My life Tell me about this.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So the devoted soul method is I mean, I haven't
finished my book, but it is inbook form, and I'm also putting
a digital course together.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Because this is a seven step program method.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yep, that you've come up with and it's just this
beautiful navigation tool is theway that I describe it for
people that want to live asoul-led life, people that want
to live soulfully, like yourself.
I'll go through the steps,observe and examine, explore and
discover, witness and honor,which is a lot of what you're

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going through release andsurrender, co-create and plant
seeds.
We tend, we nourish and wecelebrate and we liberate.
So we have these steps that wego through.
So if you're familiar with thechakra system, I want to kind of
implant it in that as well.
You have a manifestation currentand you have a liberation
current.
So you have things that comedown sorry, manifest through

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your body and you have thingsthat come up through your body
and liberate.
So each of these steps are notonly steps in and of themselves,
but they are incorporated intothe chakra system as well.
So the coaching is really abouttaking someone step by step
through these steps.
Where are you in your life?

(58:26):
Like I said today, through thesoul reading, we're really spent
a lot of time in witness andhonor and release and surrender
for you, and so that would thenbecome an ongoing conversation
over a minimum of eight weekswhere we would start plugging in
your experiences, your lifeexperiences, your earthly life,

(58:50):
and start creating the map foryou of where you're going, where
you've been, where you'reheaded and how to make it all
integrate for you, make it allhappen.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
And this sounds like a really good process.
Is this kind of, then, whatyou're doing after you've done,
like a psilocybin journey?
I mean, you're going to prepfor it, you're going to do it,
and then is this something thatwould be a part of the
integration process after?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yes, so it wasn't created as an integration tool,
but it has become an integrationtool and a preparation tool as
well.
Okay, just because it helpscompartmentalize things a little
bit more where you're at inyour journey.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
To be clear, you don't have to do any of these
psilocybin journeys, to do allthese other experiences with you
.
That's just something that, ifit seems like it's going to fit
in, that's something you'll do.
But this isn't something she'spushing you guys.
It's not like, oh God, I'mgoing to get a soul reading and
she's going to tell me I needpsilocybin.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
No, no, I don't even talk about the medicine work
really.
No, it's just if it feels, youknow right to the person, to us
for medicine, have come to themedicine themselves.
They've found it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, it's not you guys pushing this on anybody.
No, no, no, no, no.
This is more part of yourspiritual soul's journey that
this all integrates into.
And if, if a journey like thatwith plant medicine seems like
something you want to do, thenyou work towards that.
If it's not, then don't evenworry about it, you don't need
to.
There's a lot of different waysto go deeper if you want to go
deeper, but this is one of them.
It's not for everybody.
So, listen, it's fine,everyone's doing their own thing

(01:00:22):
, but I just like to present allthese things to you guys.
So if it's something thatresonates with you and you're
hearing, then you know you needto look more into it.
Right?
And this isn't me.
Listen, I'm not here givinghealthcare advice or anything.
You guys know that.
You know my disclaimer.
This is just giving you theinformation, and then you decide
, you talk to your healthcareproviders, your family, your

(01:00:42):
friends, your higher self andyou figure out what you should
be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think when people aredoing the work, they're doing
the work, they're going totherapy, they're having some
soul work done, they're doingenergy work, they're doing all
the things and they can't quiteseem to get where they want to
be.
They can't quite get thefeeling, they can't quite embody

(01:01:08):
what they know to be true forthemselves.
That is sometimes when themedicine really helps.
But a lot of times you can getto where you want to be.
There's a lot of people livingout there feeling very whole.
I just happened to not be oneof those people.
I couldn't quite make, couldn'tquite make everything fit, and

(01:01:30):
I was doing all the things right.
Same Yep, yep, you.
You get that.
You've checked all the boxes.
You're doing your, yoursupplement routine, you're
clearing your parasites, you'regetting the heavy metals out
right, doing the cleanses, doingthe doing the meditation, my
Reiki practice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I'm doing all the things but, yeah, sometimes you
just feel like, what am Imissing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
And then I can't fully get this all together and
then potentially, like wediscussed, potentially you may
know something like yourchildhood trauma.
You can know it in your mindyou can have worked it out in
your mind, but your body's stillholding on to it.
So then we start implementingsome very specific therapies,

(01:02:13):
like I mentioned myofascialrelease, and then continuing
that whole thing, and then,maybe, you know, a medicine
session helps to fully reconcileit all.
That's how the medicine workgets woven in to all this other
work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yep, this isn't something you, just a wholeness
to your life Willingly.
I'm going to just do a littletrip.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Nope, that's not what we're talking about here today.
You guys, and listen, if you'reout there doing a bunch of
trips for fun, I don't care.
Like go ahead, I'm not here tojudge.
But what I'm talking abouttoday is when you're really
wanting to get your spiritualjourney going in the right
direction and you're reallyfeeling that pull, like you said
, like you, just I'm doing thethings and I just can't make it
all click together perfectly.

(01:02:54):
Yeah, that's where this mightreally come in.
Yeah, all right, you guys.
Well, I haven't done it yet,but if I do it I'll let you know
, I'll share with you mythoughts after I do it, because
I mean it sounds like itresonates with me.
It does, and so we'll see.
I mean I always said to her, Iasked her, and I was like I'm
not going five countries away tothrow up and shit all over the

(01:03:19):
place with strangers.
This is what's in my head, allright.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I'm just going to say it, I'm just going to say it,
you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Not that like spiritual elevation.
I'm still thinking logistically.
How about that like spiritualelevation?
I'm still thinking logistically.
This does not sound like a plan.
Okay, but closer to home.
Psilocybin sounds a littlemilder than this whole ayahuasca
business.
I also randomly ordered somemad honey.
You did, guys.
Sometimes I order stuffthinking this is the answer, and

(01:03:46):
then I get scared to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I'm curious for you to say more about that, the
answer to what the answer towhat I don't know, to what I
guess.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I order these things thinking that the answer to what
everyone's saying about thisintegration, this final step,
getting through these finalblocks, or whatever is happening
for me, right?
So I think then.
I think, like you said, well,I've been doing all the damn
things, but there's just feelslike there's this one tiny
barrier, and I don't want fearto stop me from doing it, but

(01:04:15):
I'm fearful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
And isn't that, though isn't that the whole
point of your podcast?
It's halfway to dead.
You're ready to live lifereally right.
You want to turn toward livingan excellent life, and sometimes
you can't quantify what thatmeans.
You just have to.
You'll know it when youexperience it.
That you're you're living itright, You're settled in your

(01:04:39):
body.
You feel like if you diedtomorrow, you will have lived
fully.
Can you say that for yourselfright now?
Fully, Can you say?

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
that for yourself right now.
So I feel and this is maybe twodifferent things I feel ready
to die.
I feel I'm not scared of deathat all.
All right, I don't fear death.
I feel fine with it.
Now, I guess the only thing Iwould wonder is all right?
So when I get to the other side, I'm doing like a life review
or whatever we hear about.
I worry about regret.
I worry about did I live it tothe fullest?
I worry about could I have donemore while I was here?

(01:05:10):
Those are my fears.
I don't fear death.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Right, but that is what I'm saying You're turning
toward now.
I want to live the next half ofmy life in a thoughtful,
purposeful, soul-driven life,without the regret, without the

(01:05:34):
shame, without all of the thingsthat we've carried up until
this point.
That's why I love your podcastso much, and even the name of it
in and of itself.
When I read it, I was likeobviously right.
For me, that's the turningpoint.
I want to live this second halfreally right.
I want to do it right, becausewhen I get to that place and I'm
looking back I want to say, wow, I really did it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I'm glad I made that change.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I did it and I love this life that I lived.
That's how I want to die.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, and I did everything I could have done and
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I loved that journey.
You know that's important.
I think that's what the devotedsoul is about.
Too is like it's hopeful,because the journey isn't always
a happy one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It's a lot of a lot of, and I think the first half
we're just figuring shit out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
But actually what I think is true is that it takes a
little too long.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
We really shouldn't be.
No, If you're younger guys, dothe work now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I started when I was 20.
See, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I didn't, but you did , yeah, so, but yeah, the
earlier you can get a start onit, I think, probably the better
, right?
But sometimes you just can't.
You're not in that place,because sometimes we live in
survival mode for a long time.
Something either triggers us toget out of survival mode or we
just decide it's time to stop.
Whatever's going on, we allhave our stuff, and I hope
hearing me talk about my stuffand Tammy talk about hers and

(01:07:05):
all that.
Just the main reason is not tobe a big gossip, sharing
everybody's stories on here.
Just don't feel alone.
Whatever you have going on, youdefinitely aren't alone.
We are all dealing with someshit and that may be
logistically a little different,but it feels the same in our
bodies.
So this is just another option,another tool for the tool chest

(01:07:26):
guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, tammy, thank you so much,and you guys stay tuned and
listen, because I am going todrop a few clips with some
insights that Tammy gave meduring my session.
Again, not all of it's not yourbusiness, but I'm just going to
share some little excerpts soyou can see what a reading like
this is all about.
That it's not scary, you're notwhatever you might cry, it's

(01:07:48):
fine, but cry it doesn't matter.
Get some emotions out, it's allgood.
So after you're done listeningto this, hop over and listen to
a little bit of the bonusmaterial and if you so feel like
Tammy resonates with you, I'vegot all her stuff down in the
show notes, her links, how toget the heck a hold of her, so
you can.
You can get going on this too,and I'm lucky enough that she's

(01:08:09):
not too too far from me.
That's why I was able to comerecord in her space here.
So I don't know.
I'll keep you posted, guys.
I'm going to keep you posted onmy journey because, like I say,
we're in this together.
Guys, hop in a ride shotgunwith me, right?
Yeah, it's a hell of a rideSometimes, you guys just hop in.

(01:08:31):
It's Thank you, tammy?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Do you have any final inspirational words or anything
you want to say?
To all my friends, I would sayyour soul is rooting for you.

(01:08:52):
Your soul is rooting for you.
I really believe that ourpersonality and who we think we
are in this world gets a littlesofter and we start co-creating
with who we really are andliving the life that we are
meant to live.
Amen sister Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
We got this, guys All right.
See you next time.
Listen, I know your time isvaluable and right now I'm
feeling super grateful andtotally humbled that you chose
to hang out with me today.
If this podcast resonates withyou, could you do me a solid and
hit that subscribe or followbutton?
That's going to help you outbecause you're never going to
miss an episode, and it helps meout because you're never going

(01:09:23):
to miss an episode.
And if you have like 30 secondsmore, could you leave a
five-star rating and maybe leavea kick-ass review.
Thank you so much and I can'twait to continue our journey on
the next episode.
Oh, and I can't forget the fineprint.
You know the legal jargon.
This podcast is presentedsolely for educational and

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entertainment purposes.
We're just two friends on thisjourney together and this
podcast is not intended as asubstitute for the advice of a
physician, professional coach,psychotherapist or any other
qualified professional.
You get it.
See you next time.