What if your business could be wildly profitable AND deeply fulfilling? That's the powerful question at the heart of this transformative conversation with holistic business coach Chrissy Mellinger. After experiencing a complete mental breakdown climbing the corporate ladder at 29, Chrissy revolutionized her approach to business success—and now helps ambitious women do the same.
We dive deep into what it truly means to align your business with your soul's purpose. Chrissy shares practical wisdom on reconnecting with your body's intuition when you've been stuck in your head for too long. You'll discover how to recognize the warning signs of disconnection (constant anxiety, overthinking, loss of creativity) and simple practices to come back home to yourself before making crucial business decisions.
The most refreshing revelation? Social media isn't the business necessity we've been led to believe. Chrissy boldly challenges conventional marketing wisdom, explaining why most service providers don't need massive audiences—just the right aligned clients. She offers candid advice on maintaining strong boundaries if you choose to use social platforms, including scheduling strategies and managing the inevitable trolls without losing your center.
For midlife women especially, this episode delivers permission to stop sacrificing ourselves on the altar of success. Through authentic storytelling and practical guidance, we explore how to infuse your business with your unique magic while creating financial abundance. Whether you're feeling burnt out, misaligned, or simply curious about bringing more soul into your entrepreneurial journey, this conversation offers a roadmap for building a business that fills your cup rather than draining it.
Chrissy Mellinger is a holistic business coach, speaker & proud dog mama who helps ambitious women service providers step out of the 'overworked solopreneur' identity and into the 'badass CEO running a wildly successful business' identity, on their own terms and with their own rules. Every business is unique, and Chrissy’s job is to help you carve your own path with custom frameworks that work for you AND your business, so that you can make all the money and impact you want both in business and life, without compromising on the things that are the most important to you.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey friend, welcome to the halfway to dead podcast.
I'm your host, jen Lovell.
Listen, you and I have reachedthat age where we are done with
the bullshit.
We know that midlife is ourchance to flip the script and
experience life on our own terms.
It's time to reconnect with ourhigher selves and reclaim our
inner peace.
Are you ready with an openheart and an open mind?
(00:26):
Awesome, you're in the rightplace.
Hop in and ride shotgun with meon this midlife spiritual
journey.
Hey guys, thanks for comingback.
I appreciate you guys.
So today I interviewed ChrissyMellinger.
Chrissy is a holistic businesscoach, speaker and proud dog
mama shout out Jack and Murphywho helps ambitious women
(00:49):
service providers step out ofthe overworked solopreneur
identity and into the badass CEOrunning a wildly successful
business.
Identity Sounds awesome, right,and we can do this on our own
terms and with our own rules.
So listen, every business isunique and Christy's job is to
help you carve your own pathwith custom frameworks that work
(01:09):
for you and for your business,so that you can make all the
money and impact that you wantin business and life without
compromising on the things thatare most important to you.
So if you ever met someone andyou're just like.
Oh, I really like them.
They're so similar to me, butnot too similar, but similar
enough.
That was Chrissy for me.
She loves the dogs, she lovesthe animals.
(01:31):
She's got a little bit of apotty mouth, like me.
You know that.
She doesn't have a problemthrough the occasional F-bomb if
needed.
She's straightforward.
She's got just the right amountof sarcasm and life experience.
If I was looking for a businesscoach, this is what I would
look for, you guys.
So we talk about, basically wetalk about all kinds of things.
(01:54):
So the first step is likegetting back into our bodies and
figuring out what resonateswith us, so that we know that we
are aligning both our personallife and our business path to
our spiritual journey, to whatresonates with us, what feels
true to us.
We feel aligned, right, thatour soul is aligned with
everything we're doing.
That's the goal.
(02:15):
We talk about her story, howshe got where she's at, what
happened to her a few years backthat made her really rethink
everything, change her businessplan herself.
We talk about like social media.
Do we need it, do we not?
How do we deal with frickingsocial media with our business?
We talk about ways to make surewe're aligned and to make our
business prosper, because, as acoach to middle-aged women in
(02:39):
business, we're looking to makemore money while also honoring
our spiritual awakening, andthis is what she's all about,
Okay.
So make sure you listen in allthe way to the end.
She shares fun stories, likeshe's just a cool, cool chick to
talk to.
So, also, I'm starting this newthing.
Dropping with this episode rightnow is something that's the HTD
(03:01):
.
I'm calling it for now.
I'm calling it the after showbecause I have these
conversations sometimes thathappen either during the
interview or after the interviewthat maybe don't exactly mesh
into the subject we wanted totalk about, but they're
interesting conversations andreally fun stuff.
Sometimes they're outtakes,funny stuff.
(03:23):
Sometimes it's just we get more, we dive in, we get off track,
I get off track, you guys, weget off track, but it still
feels like worthy informationyou guys would like to hear.
So make sure you tune into thatafter you listen to this episode
, because we dive a little bitmore into some fun things that
Chrissy has going on and we justtalk.
I don't know, we talk aboutdogs and husbands.
Listen, it's the after show, sohang in for that one.
(03:46):
I want you guys to hear thattoo, because it'll give you even
more look into Chrissy'spersonality to see if she's a
match for you.
So let's jump in and heareverything Chrissy has to say
about aligning our path and oursoul's purpose with our business
.
And in the meantime, doing allthat, let's make a shit ton of
money.
All right, let's jump in.
Hey, chrissy, thanks for beingwith me today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Hey, Jen, thanks for having me.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is going to be good.
So I've told everyone aboutsome of your credentials and
that.
But you're a holistic businesscoach.
So we're going to dive intowhat that means the holistic-y
part a little bit.
But first I just want you totell everybody your business
credentials, because you werenot a spiritualistic, woo-woo
person that said, hey, I'm goingto start coaching people in
their business.
No, you've got the business toback this up, like the business
(04:37):
skills.
We're going to get into yourstory.
But just briefly, just soeveryone listening knows this
girl knows the business part, soshe's holistic too, but the
business part.
So again, just tell us a littlebit about your background
business-wise.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, perfect.
So definitely did not startwith the holistic stuff.
My background is a dualBachelor of Science in Finance
and Economics.
I took a lot of classes ineconomics of developing nations.
How do we get quote, unquotethird world nations to be more
developed nations the financialside of that, the business side
(05:14):
of that, the human capital sideof that?
I went into hedge fundadministration for a couple of
years, so I worked with huge,huge amounts of money, went back
to school, got my MBA with aconcentration in hospitality
revenue management, which meansbecause that's not a title most
people know about, I think likehotels.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So hotels but it's how to make as much money as
possible across all of thedifferent revenue streams, which
is room nights, food andbeverage outlets, spa packages,
golf courses, whatever it is.
Which is a lot of strategy andoperations and forecasting and
budgeting, while also actuallybringing the customer experience
(05:59):
that top notch.
If you're going to pay $1,500 anight for something, you want
the experience to back it up.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So yeah, you better get something more than a bed.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Right.
So delivering that really highquality customer experience
while still making a shit ton ofmoney for the actual company to
continue to do his job.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and you made a shit ton because you, you
brought in for that company likeB with a B billion, billion,
not million, but a B guys.
And I don't know if you've everreally thought of what a
billion dollars is, but it's,it's a lot, it's a freaking lot,
you guys.
Okay, so, yeah, so you've gotthis business part down pat.
(06:41):
You have been out in thebusiness world and when you say
you're a holistic business coach, this does not mean that you
only coach woo, woo people.
No, no, no.
So tell us, because you sayyou're a holistic, but okay, I'm
going to read this on ourwebsite I think holistic
business coach for bad-ass womenwho want to play the game of
business and win the game withtheir own rules, aka, and make a
(07:05):
shit ton of money at the sametime.
So does that kind of sum up?
We're going to get into thisholistic part, for sure, you
guys, but let's dig into thejourney, because did you start
out with a holistic coachingstrategy, or what came into your
life that made you realizethere's more to this business
coaching than just the businessend of it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So to answer that, I'm actually going to back it up
to before I even started mybusiness because that's going to
help us understand.
So I started my business inAugust of 2020.
So not quite peak pandemiclockdown, but not opened up and
fresh.
We were still pretty tightlyclosed down in August of 2020.
So before that, I had beenbuilding my business career in
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hotels and growing and climbingthe corporate ladder and getting
the promotions and this, thatand the other thing.
And in the fall of 2018, I hadwhat I'm 100% owning as a mental
breakdown.
I had what I'm 100% owning as amental breakdown.
Started having huge medicalissues.
I was about to turn 30.
Having huge medical issues,making mistakes at work.
I lost a lot of executive,functioning, higher thought,
(08:16):
functioning strategy.
Remembering things like that.
Ended up taking a three-monthleave of absence because I'm
like.
Ended up taking a three-monthleave of absence because I'm
like what is this, what is goingon here?
And it was in that time that,for the first time in my life, I
actually started looking atwhat's under the hood.
You start doing the work right.
(08:37):
It's amazing and terrifying atthe same time when you pop that
hood and you're like I have 30years of my own crap, plus all
my ancestral crap, plus plus allof the da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
and that is what really startedme as like, oh, I actually don't
want to be climbing thecorporate ladder in the way that
I'm doing and I don't want tojust be like pushing hard,
(08:59):
having terrible relationships,not actually getting to see my
husband and my dogs, just goinghard, so fast forward.
We're doing the work, going totherapy, doing the things,
getting into spirituality, whatthat looks like.
Yada, yada, 2020 hits.
The entire hotel industry isshuttered.
Oh yeah, was on furlough formost of the year, and then we
(09:23):
were basically told like, hey,you can take this severance
package or you can cross yourfingers, hope and pray that
something's going to work out.
I'm like, no, I want to pay offmy student loans.
Please give me the severancepackage, let me have, let me
clean off that debt.
And then I figured out okay,how do I do this thing?
(09:44):
How do I go use my skills thatI've spent so much time on?
And my whole business actuallystarted as a life coach, as a
general, I want to help womenhave a better life.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, Without the business part of it necessarily
just like-.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Just be better and that's a great business model.
That's great for a lot ofpeople.
Just be better and that's agreat business model.
That's great for a lot ofpeople.
Except, I don't want to haveconversations about your kids or
your partners or the datingdrama that you have going on.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You didn't want to be a therapist, right, you wanted
to incorporate things to helpout with that, but really
business.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So when I finally like quote unquote niche down
into business coaching, it washardcore strategy, this is what
we're going to do.
It's going to sound likeeverybody else we're going to go
hard, everything that I haddone in my previous life.
We're going to go hard, we'regoing to get it done.
We're going to make money.
You're probably going to end upbeing miserable, but you're
going to be wealthy.
Right, because that's what youdid, that's what I did, and I
(10:40):
did it very well and ended upgiving myself a mental breakdown
at 29.
Right, so it was in like,honestly, things not working out
, not getting a lot of clients,not being happy with the clients
that I had, them not having agreat time, me not having a
great time continuing to do myown personal work on the back
(11:01):
end, getting differentcertifications and just
different experiences, where Irealized this is the missing
piece.
Chrissy, girly, get it together.
The same thing that you figuredout a couple of years ago for
yourself you've got to helpother people with now is how do
we look at business as a supportfor our lives?
I love my business, I love whatI get to do, and it's only one
(11:24):
part of who I am, but how can Ibuild that one part of who I am
to support the rest of it, tosupport the other things I want
to do?
So that was a long-windedanswer, but that's how we got to
holistic.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay.
So you basically were about toturn 30.
You had a little, what somepeople call a little dark night
of the soul, a little breakdown,and so you had to, like you
said, you had to pop the hood,like we all end up doing.
We have to start unburying allthe things we bury and then you
got back into business, took asecond to realize this could all
mesh into one thing, and thenhere you sit.
(11:59):
So where in the journey?
Because I saw that you havecertifications in like Reiki,
somatic embodiment, integrativesomatic trauma therapy.
Where were you doing all ofthat?
Where'd that fall?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Reiki was 2022, 2021 into 2022, because I have levels
one and two of Holy Fire Usui,because I have levels one and
two of Holy Fire Usui, and then2023 into 2024 were both of my
(12:35):
somatic the embodiment and theISTT certification, and so, just
if we brought it way backthough, were you raised
religious or spiritual?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like, how hard was it to jump into this spiritual
woo-woo?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So I was technically raised Catholic.
I went through and got most ofmy sacraments up until I got
married and I was like, yeah,I'm not getting married in the
church.
I was raised Catholic but wewent to church a couple of times
a year, like a little bit morethan Christmas and Easter.
More than Christmas, easterCatholic it, With all of the
Catholic guilt, with all of theItalian on one side, German
(13:11):
Eastern European on the otherside.
guilt that just comes with thoseancestries.
I've always believed in ahigher power.
I thought it was God growing up, but not God from the Bible,
god from like.
Oh, somebody up there islooking out for me.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Right, not the scary God.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Not the scary.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Hell is coming to get you.
So it was pretty easy to jumpinto the spirituality of things
and it also, when I got into itit kind of settled things in my
soul.
I've always had questions.
I remember this is like a sillystory, but I remember being in
(13:51):
CCD, which is like Sunday schoolfor the Catholic church, and I
was in probably third grade,second or third grade, and I
remember sitting at the tableand they were telling us
whatever parable we weresupposed to be learning and I
was like okay, but what camebefore God?
What created God to create theworld?
You can't have something fromnothing.
(14:11):
And the teacher was like Godcame before, like didn't know
how to answer my question.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Did it and it and had no words to explain to a little
kid what this is.
And when I started to open upinto spirituality and energy and
universe and source and whatthat looks like and how it is,
different things settled in mybrain and in my body where I'm
like, oh, this is easy, I gotthis.
(14:41):
This makes more sense to methan yeah, because that all
resonated with you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You're like that sounds right.
Okay, that sounds more rightthan what I was taught as a kid.
Yeah, I got this.
This makes more sense to methan yeah, because that all
resonated with you.
You're like that sounds right,okay, that sounds more right
than what I was taught as a kid.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I might not understand it all, but at least
like.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, we don't understand it all,but at least you feel settled
and like you're on the rightpath.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, okay, so that's kind of your a little bit of
your journey story, where howyou got from where you were to
where you are, and so you're aholistic business coach.
What does it look like for usif we were to become one of your
clients?
Like who you see in mostly, isit people who are have an idea
and just starting in, or arethey well-established business
women, men, women, either.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So most of my business was actually people who
were brand new starting out.
Over the last year, I've beenshifting into more of that
established.
I call it the overworkedsolopreneur.
You're doing all the things,you're wearing all the hats,
you're probably burnt out byWednesday night and you're ready
(15:43):
to actually shift into being abusiness owner of delegating,
automating, hiring on, scalingsustainably so that you can
actually enjoy the money and theimpact and the time that you
wanted when you started thebusiness.
It is primarily women.
One of my core values is gettingmoney and power into the hands
(16:05):
of people who need it, which,for the most part, is women and
marginalized identities.
So I work primarily with women,Will work with really cool
dudes who get it, but my primaryfocus is women and it really is
about that.
Where the holistic reallyreally, really comes in is the
fact that, yes, I'm a businesscoach.
We're going to talk about thestrategies and the visibility
(16:27):
and the conversion and thenumbers and the data and the
da-da-da-da-da-da, All with thisperspective of what do you want
?
What life do you want?
What impact do you want?
How are you changing the worldfor the better?
How do you want to enjoy yourtime?
How do you want to invest yourmoney into the world at large,
(16:49):
and how do you want to feelabout it?
Because you can make all themoney in the world and if you're
miserable it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right.
No, you're just sacrificingyourself in the midst of all
that.
I feel like I don't know why,but all of a sudden I feel like
authenticity plays a big part inthis.
Is it important in yourbusiness to make sure you're
living like you said, like italigns with your soul's purpose,
with your path?
You don't want to come home andfeel like you're not being.
You were being this businesswoman all day and that didn't
(17:20):
feel authentic, right.
Then you come home and youmeditate and you do your stuff,
but you're like, oh, I shouldreally be.
This doesn't feel right.
When I'm at work, do you get alot of people like that?
I don't feel like I'm lined up.
And so if we feel like that,what's the first kind of step to
realign ourselves?
Is there like a method you use?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I really like to just come home, come home to us.
And that looks differently fordifferent people.
So for me personally, it's alot of movement based.
I was disconnected from my bodyfor so many years that it's
literally shaking off energy.
It's coming back home andcalling my energy back to me.
For some people it's journaling, it's visualizing, it's
(18:01):
meditation.
But first, before we doanything else, we have to come
home.
We have to take a beat, put onthe blinders, put on the
earmuffs, tune out the outsideworld and ask ourselves, if we
take off all the shoulds, allthe things we're supposed to
have, all the statuses, all thecrap that the external world is
(18:22):
trying to put on us, what do wewant?
Yeah, that's a hard one.
Right, it sounds so simple, butas adults, we don't ask
ourselves what do you want?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
No, and you know what Most of my pod friends?
We're mostly midlifers Okay.
So we've gotten to the point inour life we've done for
everyone else, right.
We did for the kids, we did forthe animals, we did for the
neighbors, our parents, whoeverwas in our lives.
We were, you know, ourco-workers.
We were sacrificing for them,like whoever we had to.
We just sacrificed, okay.
(18:55):
And then we get to this pointwhere we're like well, this is
shit, like I'm not happy, and ittakes a minute, I think, to
figure out what we even likeanymore, because we liked what
everybody told us to like for solong.
So do you see that a lot wherewe have to figure out what we
even like?
I think we've been fed so muchin our lifetimes that sometimes
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we forget, you know, we'rebelieving what's on the news or
what our partner says, orwhatever you know, and then it
takes a minute to just say, ohGod, what do God?
What the hell do I believe Likewhat?
I don't know, I don't even knowanymore.
So, like you said, you can dothat through journaling.
What else did you say?
How do we figure that part outright away?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
right away it's creativity and go back to the
oftentimes obnoxious little kidimage of questioning things.
Well, do I actually do I want aburger for dinner, or is that
just what we have on Thursdays?
Do I actually like red wine, oram I drinking it because it has
(19:58):
heart benefits?
Do I want to actually have mysecond cup of coffee today, or
do I really want to go to thestore and get a lemonade Right?
So little?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
decisions.
Yeah, it doesn't have to belife-changing stuff right away.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely, and it shouldn't be because you're not
prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
No, and is that what you mean by even just getting
back into our bodies?
So it shouldn't be becauseyou're not prepared for it.
No, if you go out and it'severything by getting, even just
getting back into our bodies.
So it wasn't in my body anymore.
So if someone's listening rightnow and you're like I don't
think I'm in my body either,what are the signs?
You're not in your body anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You're overthinking that everything is about.
This is the strategy, this ishow I've always done things.
This is how smart I am.
This is like I'm known for mybrain and that's what I'm going
to work on, and that's one ofthe biggest things.
Anxiety I'm not a medicalprofessional, but anxiety is
often something that's going tocorrespond with that.
(20:55):
You've got too much energy inyour body.
Whether you're constantlyfidgeting with something, or
you're constantly tapping theleg, or your mind won't stop
racing.
That's all energy that has tobe moved and it's showing up
that way because you're not inyour body enough to be like huh,
(21:16):
actually you know what.
I'm just going to sit here andI'm going to bounce around a
little bit because I have somenervous energy at me.
Let yourself bounce the damnaround.
Who gives a shit?
Just jump around for a littlebit.
Those are some of the biggestones.
And then also a loss ofcreativity.
Our creation is oftentimes aswomen, we're going to feel it in
(21:39):
our womb and our sacral right,Our creation energy.
But that desire to createsomething, whether it's a
drawing or gardening or bakingsomething or just doodling if
there's no spark of creation orcreativity, that's oftentimes a
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leading sign that you are waytoo much in your brain or too
much out in the world and notenough in your own being.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So then, if that's you out there listening right
now, you got to get back in yourbody first, and we got to do
that by opening the creativepathways.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, whatever that means.
Whether that means if you lovemusic, throwing on a dance, I
would assume it's a good way todo it.
Just get moving.
Is this working out?
Count?
You have to love working outfor it to work.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You have to go into it with the right mentality,
it'll still move energy.
But if you're doing it from aplace of like, oh I'm going to
go running because it's going tohelp me be in a different body
shape, that's not as helpful asI'm going to go for a run
because, good God damn, my brainwon't stop.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, I just have to go do something, whether it's a
walk or not.
So this isn't a weight lossjourney.
This is just getting back intothe body you have on.
You Don't worry about the bodyright now, just get back in it,
hop in and then start figuringout your passions.
So then we're working through,we feel like we're back in our
body, we're feeling a little bitof like good, good energy.
(23:08):
Then what do we do?
We got to get this business upand hopping and our lives back
in order.
What are we going to do?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Ask yourself really Like again, it's going to sound
stupid, simple, but it's theactual doing of it.
That's hard.
If you don't have to listen tothe partner or the spouse or the
friend or the kid or the dick.
What would be like the coolestthing to do right now?
That the essence of who you arecan show up in a way that makes
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you so obnoxious to be aroundbecause you won't stop smiling.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Something that you light up when you even just talk
about it or think about it.
And what if that isn't reallyrelated to the business we're
already running?
Is that okay?
That is totally okay, or isthat a problem?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, that is totally okay because it is that a
problem.
Okay, that is totally okaybecause it can mean a couple of
different things.
So it's totally okay becausemaybe the business that you're
running right now is fullypaying for life, taking care of
everything.
You don't want to burn it downbecause you know we got to pay
the bills.
So this new idea that you have,is it a hobby?
So this new idea that you have,is it a hobby Like, is it
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literally just something for fun, that's personal for you, that
gives you enough joy that thebusiness doesn't feel like a
burden anymore?
That's one.
The second is is it somethingthat you want to bring into the
business, or the essence of it?
Can you bring into the business?
Let's say, I work really wellwith examples.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's how I learn really well, I was going to say
give us an example.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, let's say you're a business coach and
that's your business.
You provide business coachingor consulting services and you
really get this idea that youwant to take an acting class or
an improv class and you're like,oh my gosh, this would be so
much fun.
Okay, that can either be ahobby for yourself that you just
go and do improv on Tuesdaynights, or you can bring that in
(25:04):
and be like that actually canhelp me show up differently.
That can help me give myclients skill sets to show up on
camera with more peace and moreease, so you can bring it into
the business.
You're not necessarily teachingthem improv skills, but you're
teaching them presence and stageand how to hold yourself and
(25:24):
speak.
Or a third option is you're likeactually I don't want to do
this business thing anymore.
It's too restrictive, it's notthe way that feels true to my
soul right now.
Too restrictive, it's not theway that feels true to my soul
right now.
I'm going to put it on pause.
Allow yourself to have thattemporary feeling and see what
(25:49):
the improv looks like.
Maybe you realize in six monthsthat was cool, but that was a
weird period of time that Idon't actually want to go back
to.
Those are kind of the threepaths of how things might show
up, and I also want to realquick.
You said something about likeoh, how did you?
Didn't call it a failure.
Whatever it is, whatever comesup is coming up for a reason.
(26:11):
So, just like, allow yourselfto play with it.
You don't have to take actionIf, all of a sudden, the idea
that dropped into my brain waslike you should go be a stunt
actor.
No, ma'am, I will not be doingthat.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Probably not jumping off buildings and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
No, no, ma'am, but maybe I like find a trampoline
park that allows adults and Ican go like bebop around for
that for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Right, yeah, we don't have to go to the extreme of
our idea.
Just be a fun hobby, you guys.
That makes life bearable whileyou're building your business,
exactly Right.
And then there's probably waysto infuse the joy.
Okay, because if you're ahappier person, if life is just
overall better for you, businesscan only get better.
I think, right, absolutely,because more doors are going to
(27:02):
open, you're going to be morepositive towards other people.
That's going to draw them intoyou and your business.
Whatever that is, like you said,not necessarily a business
coach.
You could be crocheting likewashcloths on Etsy, I don't know
.
Whatever you got going on canget infused, probably, with this
creativity and these ideas.
Or, you know, it could beanything.
It could be a tiny businessright now that you're doing from
(27:23):
home, or you could be right now, you may already have a
multimillion dollar businessgoing, but you're just freaking,
not happy, like bills are paid,you're going on cool vacations,
but you're still sad inside.
So this is where a holisticbusiness coach can help out.
Right, because you're going tohelp figure out how to make
everything mesh better in ourlives, make us feel good about
(27:47):
it, because if we're doingsomething that doesn't feel
aligned, all right, we did thissoul searching.
We're in this spiritual journey.
We figured out what we believeand what we don't believe to be
true for us and all of a suddenwe said our business doesn't
align, like we're not helpingpeople.
We feel like we might behurting people.
I don't know.
I'm thinking there's situationswhere it's like no, I want to
be good in the world, but I feellike this business I've started
(28:09):
maybe isn't as great as Ithought it was for others.
What do we do then?
We kind of do have to reallypivot.
There's a pivot to be had, yeah.
So is that something you helppeople with?
Because obviously we got towatch the numbers and the
finances during the pivot, alongwith our own emotional
wellbeing in the pivot and thosemanaging those around us, cause
(28:29):
a lot of times our business andour income affects all those
around us.
So unless you're single, withno family or friends, like this
is going to affect people, yourdecisions.
So do you have like tips forhow to like manage all that?
That's a lot to manage all atonce Yourself, others, money.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yes, I do.
And the first thing is itsounds like a trite little
saying from a little 36 year oldwho has a husband and two dogs
yeah, but you have to take careof yourself, which means you
don't have to burn it all downin one go and be like, oh my
(29:08):
gosh, I have unintentionallybeen harming others.
Yes, take responsibility, butalso you got to feed yourself,
you gotta pay the medical billsand the mortgage and the things
into that.
So, figuring out how you canminimize the harm while
continuing to take care ofyourself unless you're actively
(29:31):
harming people, in which caseclose the effing business down
and deal with loans and creditcard debt, right, right, yeah,
but also taking care of yourselfand taking action, taking
responsibility and ownership,while also navigating the space
that, unless you wereintentionally, maliciously
(29:53):
causing that harm, you wereprobably doing your best at the
time.
You didn't go out, so we need toforgive ourselves a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Give ourselves some grace.
I always think, when you knowbetter, you do better.
Right, that's what we have toworry about.
When we know better, we startdoing better.
And then the other stuff.
Just forgive yourself for it,which is hard to do.
I find it harder to forgivemyself than others.
Sometimes it's like you shouldhave known better and you should
have known better.
Why did you just do that?
(30:22):
Yeah, so when we know better,we do better.
That might even look like, Idon't know.
If you're running a businessand you're slowly making a pivot
, do you make some donations?
Do you I don't know volunteersome of your time?
You do something that starts tofeed your soul and fill your
cup back up.
If the business isn't doing ityet, is the end goal for the
(30:42):
business to start filling yourcup a little bit more too,
though?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'm a firm believer that my business is a way that
my magic, that my sole purposegets to interact and improve the
world.
It's not a task for me to do,it's not a career ladder for me
to grow.
It is a way that this piece ofsource energy gets to help that
(31:06):
piece of source energy.
So if I'm not enjoying thebusiness and it's not filling me
back up, I'm not then able todeliver to you.
I'm not then able to deliver toyou even in a podcast recording
that same kind of like.
We can do it, jen.
Let's get it done if I'mmiserable over here.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Because it feels super inauthentic.
Do you do a lot of work withyour clients tapping into their
intuition?
Yeah, that's a part of it.
So do you have any tips on that?
Because I think that for mefeels like a really good phase.
One is tapping into your ownintuition, because if you can't
trust your own gut, I mean, whatare we even doing?
We can't make good decisions.
(31:48):
No, we cannot, right, we haveto look within, and so would you
say that that's a big part ofthe beginning Figuring out what
you I don't know, what you evenbelieve, what you think, what
you find to be true.
Do you have any exercise?
Is there an exercise for that?
How do you exercise thatintuition thing?
Is there something we can do tostart trusting our intuition
(32:10):
more?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
A big piece for me is slowing down and nervous system
regulation is slowing down andnervous system regulation.
So many of us, especially asbusiness owners, who are just
going, going, going all day long, we're in a reactive state.
We are reacting to the thingsthat are happening.
We're reacting to the email, tothe request for blah, blah,
(32:34):
blah, to the Stripe notification, to the Instagram notification,
and we're not intentionallyliving our life, we're just task
to task to task.
So the first thing is toliterally just slow down, take a
pause, bring back into, let'stake a breath for a second as
(32:56):
deeply as you can.
For some people that's going tobe deep down into your belly,
for others it's going to stop,like right out by your chest,
but literally just like, stopand take a deep breath, let
yourself be in the moment, getback right into the body there.
Because when we create thatspace, both like in our physical
environment, in the motions andactivities that we're doing,
(33:20):
and in our body, and we'remaking space by taking a breath,
we're actually allowingeverything else to kind of turn
off and our intuition to turn on.
If we're just reacting all daylong, there's no place for that
intuition to like drop in,there's no place for that gut
feeling to feel like anything,because our brains are too busy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Exactly, yeah, we're way too busy.
So I bet a lot of.
How do you feel about socialmedia?
Because I feel like socialmedia has made our brains way
too busy too often.
We don't have that downtime weused to have.
I remember, even just when Iwas growing up, downtime was
like commercials from TV, right,that's when you got up, you
(34:04):
went to the bathroom, you got asnack, you chilled for a minute
because you had to pause untilyour show came back on.
We don't even have that anymore.
We just fast forward.
We just, yeah, we can't, wedon't, we have no patience.
Right, we have, our shows haveto be on demand.
We have to be able to see thewhole season right now.
Like, we can't wait till nextweek for episode three.
(34:28):
Like, I feel like everything isso different now than when I
grew up, like when a lot of mysisters probably grew up too.
Like we grew up with a lot offricking free time.
Right, our imaginations soaredall day long.
Like our parents just kicked usout of the house.
Like go play, be home.
When the fucking street lightscome on, you don't care what
you're doing.
This is how I was raised.
In fact, there was a commercialon TV when I was a child
(34:48):
reminding our parents they hadchildren.
It came on at 10 PM every night.
At 10 PM every night.
It would be on every TV station, radio station.
It would say it's 10 o'clock.
Do you know where your childrenare?
Not even kidding, google it.
That was a commercial becauseour parents had to be reminded
(35:09):
that we existed.
And it's 10 o'clock, and areyour kids inside?
Okay, so we had a lot offreaking free time.
So that's all changed now andeven though I was raised that
way, I will now get addicted toa scroll on my phone and you
look up and you're like I justwasted an hour of my life and I
feel like I got not much out ofit.
(35:31):
Sometimes I do, Sometimes I geta good recipe or something, but
in general it's not a great useof time.
So do you have any social mediasuggestions?
Because, also as businesswomen,that's it's not a great use of
time.
So do you have any social mediasuggestions?
Because, also as businesswomen,that's where it's at.
You feel like you're not goingto be very good at your business
if you're not doing five socialmedia accounts and posting
every day, if not more than oncea day.
(35:53):
So then our mind's always oncontent creation, which is like
how do we get creative duringall of that?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So, yeah, yes to everything you just said.
I personally can't stand socialmedia.
I started mine, I started mine,I've had one.
So I had Facebook when it cameout and you still needed a
university or college address tolog into it and it was
(36:27):
primarily stupid, little stupidteenager crap.
Yeah, that started my dogs,because I am obsessed.
And then when I started mybusiness, I was like, oh, this
is a way that I can hit themasses and I can grow my
visibility and all the thingsthat we're told.
But then, like you just said,it very quickly stops being a
(36:50):
tool and very quickly becomesthis cage of we have to fit the
algorithm, we've got to fit thetrends, we've got to fit what
we're doing, so it's exhausting.
It's exhausting and it sucksthe fun out of it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Because, unless you are an influencer or a content
creator, you didn't start yourbusiness to be a content creator
.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
So the first thing is , honestly, do you want to use
social media?
Do you think we need?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
to no.
No, okay, all right, I likethat.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Okay, which I know is not what most people say, but
here's the thing it's 2025.
It's humanity has been aroundfor thousands of years and if
you look at the timeline ofhumanity, commerce has always
happened.
It has changed.
The way that we've conductedbusiness has changed.
(37:51):
It was barter systems, all thatkind of stuff, but business has
always been around.
Social media has been aroundfor that much time.
It's a great tool In a globalworld.
It is an amazing way to get aton of customers.
However, unless you are runninga business that is like a
(38:13):
digital downloadable, somethingthat's like truly built to scale
for thousands and thousands oforders a month or a day or a
year, you don't need it.
Like if you're a serviceprovider, whether you do
one-on-one programs or groupprograms, or like big
memberships, you don't need toreach millions of people.
(38:36):
You need to reach the rightpeople Exactly, and social media
can be used.
Social media is a great tool.
If you want to use it, go do it.
Rah, rah, let's get it doneWith very strong boundaries on.
I'm going to go post the thingbefore I look at anybody else's
or, better yet, I'm going to gopost the thing and then turn my
(39:00):
phone off, put it away, puttimers on.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, because I think where we get wrapped up in is
we do our post that maybe wedidn't put a ton of time into,
but we did a post.
Then we got to monitor thatshit.
Oh, we got to answer people'sreplies, we got to check on it.
How many people have seen it?
Why haven't more people likedit?
Like we get in our own headsthen, was it a good enough post?
(39:25):
Should I get rid of that post?
Nobody really likes that post.
Should I get rid of that post?
I don't know.
It becomes a fricking lot.
And so you're saying is itdependent on what kind of
business you're running, if it'smore necessary or not?
Or, in general, are there waysto get around it?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
In general, there are ways to get around it.
But if you are something like,let's say, you have like a
digital download where yourproduct is like $5, so you rely
on volume, it is far more usefulto be on social media than for
someone who's selling like a$10,000 package.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, and are there certain, if you had to
guesstimate, are there certainplatforms right now that are
more beneficial as a middle-agedwoman to be using, or does it
just depend on what your targetaudience is also?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It really depends on your target audience because,
like Threads is having a moment,threads is, with all the
changes to the meta universeFacebook, instagram even though
Threads is still part of meta itis like having a resurgence of
people just want to go buildcommunity there Okay.
But if you don't want tonecessarily build community and
(40:33):
you're like I just want to sellmy thing, threads probably isn't
it for you.
So it really depends on thetarget audience.
But I would say Threads ishaving a resurgence.
Depends on the target audience.
But I would say threads ishaving a resurgence.
Linkedin is and isn't socialmedia and it's like trying to
figure out what LinkedIn is.
Yeah, but depending on whatyou're like.
If you are high level serviceprovider, like specific times of
(40:54):
coaches or consultancy work oreven web design kind of
professional services, linkedinis a really great place to be
because not many smallbusinesses are on there.
It's still corporate employees,but LinkedIn is trying to cater
towards small businesses andprofessional services.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So that might be an option.
And then we've always got ourstandard Facebook Instagram
that's always kind of rollingalong or whatever.
We got those Okay.
So if we do do social media,what I'm hearing you say is
don't let it consume your wholelife, because now you can, you
can schedule, even say you'rejust a Facebooker.
(41:36):
You guys, you're still just aFacebooker, you can schedule a
week's worth of posts and walkaway.
Okay, If you can get to thatpoint.
I'm not there yet.
I'm struggling because I don'tlove social media, but I feel
like I need to hit my audience.
So I'm finding them.
But yeah, we schedule it andthen don't worry about how many
likes it's getting, Don't worryabout what it's doing.
How do you feel about whenpeople start, when we get the
(41:58):
trolls, and then we get somenegative comments under there?
Do we need to manage those ordo we just move on with our
lives?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
What do you think?
Honestly, that one iscompletely dependent on you and
your nervous system.
There are some people who arelike, ooh, I got my first troll,
it's a sign that I've made itand I'm visible enough.
And they're like, ooh, that'sexciting.
And they just ignore it or theyhide it or whatever.
And there are people who arelike, oh my gosh, somebody's mad
(42:27):
at me.
What's everyone going to think?
Right, my first troll was Iwear contacts most of the time,
but I'll put my glasses on if Ineed to or to give my eyes a
break.
I have very bad vision, so Ihave Coke bottle lenses, so
there's a distortion in my facewhere my glasses are, of course,
when you have them on.
Yeah Right, my very first trollwas comments around my glasses
(42:51):
and the refraction on my eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh, good God, and it's just like dude.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I'm sitting up here talking about whatever the heck
I was talking about and you'recommenting like great Thanks, my
parents for giving me badeyesight.
Like what do you want me to dowith?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
it.
What's your point?
What's your point in talkingabout my glasses right now?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Right Like get a life , yeah, and have enough
regulation, enough groundednessin who you are that you can
either engage and be like thanks, but I'm good, or just ignore
it.
You can hide it if you want to,so it doesn't show up.
(43:32):
And also just remember, at theend of the day, regardless of
what you do, that shit is not areflection on you or what you're
doing, or what you're talkingabout, or your worth or who you
are.
It's a reflection on the personwho wrote it.
And two, it is boosting yourstuff in the algorithm because
it's still engagement.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
It's still engagement , you guys, because when I got
my first troll since thispodcast, I was actually with my
daughter and I saw some put somejust bitchy, stupid comment.
I don't remember what it was,but I actually did get a little
excited.
I said I was like someone'sbeing an asshole.
I was like this is good, right.
I was looking at my daughterlike this is good, right.
(44:13):
Like I kind of liked it for asecond and then I was like but
here's my thought the minute youengage, that's what they're
waiting for.
Who's going to engage?
So I can get back and forthwith this, so I just don't even
bother to engage.
Right, I didn't engage.
I think I literally just did alaughing emoji.
It's like well, I'm actuallyphysically laughing about this,
(44:36):
so I'm just going to put alaughing emoji.
They can take it however theywant to At this point now,
sometimes I will just click thathide button, like you said, and
then I don't think about itagain.
I don't ruminate on that commentor the fact that I hit it, but
I figure that person's alreadymoved on to 10 other stupid
comments.
They're not checking back toeven care if I hit it or not,
right?
But if I engage.
(44:57):
Oh, they're going to be on it.
They're going to get notifiedthat I said something back.
Now they're going to say thatthat's the drama.
You guys, that's where I stayaway from.
I just move on with my life.
Yeah, but if you can't doublecheck if social media is even
necessary for you, it is too.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I want to add on If it is you're like, I really want
to be on it.
That's where my people are.
It's a great tool.
Build up the boundaries, writeyourself a list of like this is
how I'm using Facebook and thisis how I'm not, and put in some
kind of accountability, whetherthat means, if you can, if
(45:34):
you're interested, hiring a VAto do that stuff for you,
automating it, like you said,scheduling out so that you're
not monitoring it, putting ablock on your calendar that says
Fridays at 11 am, when I'm in areally good mood and everything
is going well because I have aclear schedule, and blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
I'm going to check my insightsfor the week.
(45:54):
If it is not Friday from 11 to11.25, I do not check my
insights period.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And then Because it doesn't matter Nothing you can
do about your insights right now.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Anyway, Like, just, and get an accountability buddy
Okay, really, and have someonewho's actually going to hold you
accountable and not just belike oh, you should try better
next week, but a Someone's goingto call you on and not just be
like, oh, you should try betternext week.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
But a Someone's going to call you on your shit, right
, okay, get off.
Stop.
Yeah, get off of there.
Why are you actually havingconversations with these idiots?
Like no, put the phone down.
You need someone who can beokay.
So we need an accountabilitypartner who can keep it real,
and that doesn't have to be abusiness partner.
That can just be someone whokeeps it real with you and your
(46:45):
family.
They can have nothing to dowith your business and just kind
of keep you in your body andcentered and like nope, you're
not doing that today.
Okay, no, I love that.
Okay.
Social media is just sucks theenergy out of our lives as
business owners, doesn't it?
And a lot of times withoutenough payoff.
I really don't think you needto do all of them either, do we?
(47:08):
Not at all I feel like our handsare full if we just focused on
one to two.
I don't think we need to keepup on all of the TikToks and
every new thing that's comingout.
I'm hoping we turn a cornerhere in 2025 and start going
back to in real life.
You know how we've lost the IRL.
We got to get back to actuallyIRLing because, I don't know, I
(47:31):
think it's going to just I thinkabout all these kids that are
growing up without communicationskills.
I don't know, and that's justme probably sounding real old
right now, but I agree with youthough, damn kids, oh my God.
Yes, okay, all right.
So that's social media.
We got a social media tangent,you guys, because I think it's a
big part of business, thoughthese days and I think even as a
(47:53):
middle-aged woman we reallydebate.
Do I want to do all that, andwe might even second guess doing
our whole business plan basedon the drama of things like that
.
So, no, we don't have to dothat.
I will say I love your about mesection on your website.
Okay, you've got a whole page,because you do talk about your
core beliefs and what you think,and you basically put it out
(48:16):
there.
So I want to ask you if this iswhat we should all be doing
putting out there our authenticselves, what we believe, what we
think.
Do we match up?
And if we don't, that's okay.
Keep moving, don't?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
even call me then?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
No, I mean, is this kind of part of coming into your
own with this business thingtoo, and staying on the right
path, aligning with our soul'spurpose, as we are not meant for
everyone.
Whatever, whether it's aservice or a product or whatever
you're doing for your business,you can't provide that for
everyone anyway.
No, and we can have lots ofpeople in the same industry
(48:52):
because there's a lot ofproviders needed for things, so
that's okay.
Do you think that that'simportant for us as we're
setting up our websites, aswe're sending back and forth
emails, doing those freeconsultation calls, whatever
you're doing to gain businesspartners, clients?
Again back to the oldauthenticity, is that important?
(49:16):
Because you guys check out herwebsite, because she does lay
out like she's a work inprogress, she's ever evolving,
she's just honest about, Ibelieve, this, this and this,
and basically, if that doesn'tseem like someone you want to
work with, it's okay, bye, it'sokay, it's okay.
So would you suggest we headthat direction more with our
(49:37):
businesses?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Absolutely, I think, one, regardless of what you do,
if it's service-based,product-based, high cost, low
cost you're a personal brand.
What people are buying might bepackaged in a specific service
that you offer, but they'rebuying into you and they want to
(50:00):
actually know who you are andbelieve in who you are.
There's this huge trend that'sbeen going on for, I'd say,
probably solidly seven to ninemonths in the social media space
.
That is basically just likeprove yourself as an authority,
take out all the heart.
People don't care about who youare, they just care about how
you can serve them.
Yes, we want to know.
(50:23):
If I I'm gonna work with you,Jen, how are you gonna help me?
If I'm gonna work withso-and-so, how are they gonna
help me, Because otherwise wedon't wanna invest our time and
money?
But also, do I like you?
Do I want to allow you in myspace?
I'm a lot.
(50:44):
I am well aware of the fact thatI am a very you either tend to
like me or you tend to reallynot.
I'm not necessarily a soft andfuzzy person.
I want people to know thatupfront, Like what are you
getting when you work with me?
You're going to get a ton ofdog barking in the background on
some calls.
You're going to get a lot of mecackling, laughing at you or
laughing with you and a lot ofswearing, but we're also going
(51:06):
to get a lot of shit done andit's going to be a good time and
I'm going to be the cheerleaderthat never stops.
Some people don't want that, butit's important that we show up
authentically in so many ways.
One, because it helps us againtune back into that intuition
because we're owning more of whowe are personally and out into
(51:27):
the world.
It helps us from a businessowner perspective of there are
certain people I do not want towork with.
I need an alignment in valuesto want to actually cheerlead
for you and support you.
Some people they don't reallycare and that's fine.
But it helps us attract in thepeople that we're going to work
(51:49):
really really well with, whilealso repelling the people that
are not going to get greatresults or not going to love the
experience and that are goingto be a drain on our energy.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, cause we're going to protect our energy.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
That's part of this, you don't have to go as far as I
do and have a whole page aboutthe things that I believe in and
my core values and this stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I like it though.
I like it, cause I'm astraightforward person too, like
Peter on the bush If we aren'ta match, let's just figure that
out now, right, yeah, tell me alittle bit about yourself,
because it's also us vibechecking each other.
I do a lot of vibe checking.
If my intuition, my gut, sayswe aren't a match, we aren't a
(52:32):
match, that's it.
I just go with it now, and Ididn't used to, but I think
that's a big part of thisjourney, though is, all of a
sudden, just like you said, howdoes this feel in my body?
How does this person feel in mybody?
Could I make money off thisperson?
Yes, I could make money offthis person, but is it going to
be enjoyable for me?
Right and aligned?
No.
And would you say?
Sometimes we take on a bunch ofclients that don't match up, so
(52:55):
you're paying the bills butyou're miserable.
And now you don't have room forthe right clients.
You're too busy.
You're too busy for the rightones.
Is that what you think, chrissy?
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
And I think it goes in cycles.
When I was starting out I usedto think that it was just a if
you're new to business you'regoing to fall victim to that.
But I think it just runs incycles because we're humans, as
much as we want to live inabundance and feel that
frequency of abundance andoverflow, sometimes our systems
(53:28):
are just like lack, scarcity,lack, fear, scarcity and all
this stuff is bubbling up.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Like if I don't book this, whatif no one else calls to book?
What do I do?
I've got bills to pay.
The bills will get paid.
You have to have faith they'regoing to get paid.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I don't know.
Yes, yes, have the faith.
Have the faith in if you have ahigher power.
Blah God, universe whateverintuition.
And have the faith in yourselfthat you're going to get it done
.
Like, maybe, maybe shit hitsthe fan and this month you don't
(54:05):
pay more than the minimum onsomething or you use the 10-day
grace period in order to sendthat check-in.
That's okay.
That doesn't mean you're afailure.
It gives you an opportunity,though from a purely business
perspective, to go back and belike, okay, where did that
client find me?
Business perspective.
To go back and be like, okay,where did that client find me,
(54:30):
why did they reach out to me?
Can I share more of myauthentic self?
Did I water down messaging onthat directory listing for
photography and say like, oh,I'd love to help happy families
create magic memories?
Did you say that or did youshow up and you're like I want
to help really cool peoplephotograph the most fun day of
their lives while they're doingcrazy shit with their big
families Right, totallydifferent vibes.
(54:53):
It gives you an opportunity togo in, look at where they found
you or how they connected withyou, and actually take a look
and be like God, that's not whoI am.
That's some basic photographer,that's some basic copywriter.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
So, whatever business you're in, throw yourself out
there authentically, say, yeah,this is where it's gone.
See, I started with yourwebsite how I liked it and this
is how we put ourselves out intothe world, because even my
trailer for this podcast says ifyou've had a perfect life, if
you blah, blah, blah, thispodcast is not for you.
Like there's one out there,you'll find it.
I hope you go find the perfectpodcast.
(55:31):
You guys, it's fine to move onfrom mine.
I'm perfectly fine with it.
I'm not looking for the masses.
I don't need to go viral.
I need to find the people thatneed to hear this.
What I'm saying Stay authentic.
Everybody and I think usmidlifers, especially us midlife
women, we're set up well forthis.
Like I said, we've been througha lot as Gen Xers here and so
we are prepared for all of this,even prepared for stupid social
(55:58):
media people Like, okay, justhide it and move on.
You guys, just hide the comment.
Don't, don't even engage,unless you so feel, like it's so
bad that you need to engage.
I don't know, I think don'tengage.
That's my hot take, all right.
So I want to quickly talk aboutthe different things you offer
so that everybody knows, becauseif you're listening to Chrissy
right now and she sounds cool,I've got a business.
I definitely need help.
(56:19):
I don't feel aligned.
I got to line up better.
I want to make more money andbe happy.
Doesn't that sound like alovely plan?
You guys, be happy and make alot of money, yep, so the things
that you offer?
Okay, so you do one-on-one.
Correct?
There's a certain program ifthey go on the website, or do
you just click on one-on-onementoring?
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Just one-on-one mentoring.
My primary thing is a smallgroup mastermind.
That has more details on mywebsite, but my one-on-ones just
basically book a call with meand let's chat.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
The revenue acceleration mastermind?
Yes, so is that?
Where you're getting togetherin smaller group settings,
that's nice to have a supportgroup with it too, though.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
It's basically the same as one-on-one coaching.
Right, you get a ton of.
I'm not about this wholeproximity bullshit.
You don't just get betterbecause you're in my space.
I think that's nonsense.
We're going to work one-on-onetogether within this space of
other women who are doing thesame thing, going through
similar struggles.
I'm good at a lot of things,you're good at a lot of things,
(57:25):
the other women in the group aregood at a lot of things, so
it's never a hierarchical likeoh, I'm the coach, you have to
listen to me.
It is that let's get feedbackfrom the group, let's celebrate
each other, let's normalize thefact that some days just suck
this is fun and I love it andsome days it sucks, being the
one responsible for all thethings.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yep.
And it's that space and justhave other people saying, yeah,
you're right, it's second to methis week too, it's second for
all of us, and within that groupthere may be someone who's
already walked the path you'rejust starting down and can help
you not have so much troubledown that little path.
Yeah, okay, I love that.
And acceleration, the revenueacceleration mastermind.
(58:06):
Is this the one where you talkabout strategic visibility,
conversion mastery and nextlevel revenue?
Okay, guys, that's the tip ofthe iceberg on that guy.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
But it's available.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Go on the website and then do you still do this
intuitive arts class.
What is that?
Is that something you still door not anymore?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Not as much anymore, so I still offer one-on-one
sessions.
I used to offer classes, but Idon't do them anymore.
But it's partly expressive arts, which is a therapeutic
modality.
I am not certified in it, whichis why it's my own brand, but
it's using somatic work, it'susing nervous system regulation.
(58:43):
It's using drawing and paintingand movement and vocalization
Sometimes that's screaming intoa pillow, sometimes that's just
like yawning or chanting tobreak through the stagnant
energy that's holding you downthrough music, through movement,
through all of that, and it'sjust a little bit of my own
intuition and magic that comesthrough to help facilitate.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Perfect and that.
And if you're just signing upfor one-on-one in general, if
this is something you feel ledto help someone with, if this is
a block for them, you're justgoing to introduce it and do it
you don't have to specificallysign up for that.
It's just part of theone-on-one.
If you want it to be Exactly, Igot it Okay, Cause you said
you're magic.
What do you mean by magic girl?
Are you?
Do you channel?
(59:26):
Are you intuitive?
Are you?
What are we saying when you saymagic?
Speaker 2 (59:31):
That's a really excellent question.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
So I am intuitive, so magic intrigues me.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
I am intuitive.
I am actually working withsomeone right now because some
very cool psychic stuff isstarting to come online with
mediumship and channelingthrough.
I don't really know 100% whatit looks like.
It's really just been poppingoff over the past year or so,
but it's a lot of.
My strongest Claire is ClaireCognizance, so I will just have
downloads come and they sitright here in my brain, right
here, an inch back, and it'salso just asking the right
(01:00:11):
questions.
It's all the lived experiences.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Same.
I have Claire Cognizance goingon.
Yeah, that's one of my favestoo, just that knowing, and it
just comes in, which makes youan excellent business coach too,
then, because you're probablygetting a little download and
channeling advice from theperson's spirit, guides and
stuff.
If they're so into that,whether they're into it or not,
you're going to get it.
But they're there, guys,whether you're believing it or
(01:00:36):
not, they're so into that,whether they're into it or not,
you're going to get it.
But they're there, guys,whether you're believing it or
not, they're still there.
Okay, so you're heading down ajourney which it's 2025.
Big things are going on thisyear, chrissy, so this may be
your year to totally open thatold crown and really get to move
it on this channeling.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I don't know what it's going to look like, but I
feel like this year, like yousaid, is going to be a year
where I'm at the end of it.
I'm just like not what Iexpected it to be, but I kind of
dig it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I don't think 2025 is going to be anything.
Any of us expect it to be.
No, it's February and it'salready been a little bit of a
wild ride, and I don't thinkit's stopping anytime soon.
Okay, do you have?
What other services?
Is there anything I'mforgetting that you're offering?
Is there anything new comingfor you other than your
channeling?
What do you got in the businessworld coming?
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
So those are the main things the revenue acceleration
, mastermind, one-on-one stuffand then, long-term, the vision
is to create the coachingbusinesses continuing to grow,
et cetera, and also a full-blownconsultancy.
So it won't just be me, it'llbe legal finance, accounting, a
team that can come in and coveranything we want.
(01:01:45):
So this year I'm actuallystarting to do the behind the
scenes work for the consultancyof what that looks like for
bigger businesses who want tobring heart and soul and
authenticity into more of thatInto their actual business?
Yeah, Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Like big corporations or middle-sized, all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Starting with like big small business and then
medium-sized businesses and thenprobably in a couple of years,
heading into the bigcorporations, to be like we're
here to shake shit up and makethe whole thing better.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
But this is perfect timing for that whole business,
because listen, what vibes arechanging, like we're, we're,
we're calling 5d here on goodold earth, and so this is going
to be the perfect time to startintroducing many people's
businesses.
Yeah, cause we're changing itall up.
We got it.
We have to look at us.
We're a hot mess.
We got some changes to make,you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, it's time for a good old burn it down and start
over.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Burn it down and start fresh with everything,
Like everything, Okay, no, I'mon board.
If you're listening right nowand you've got a business going,
but it's maybe not goingexactly how you thought it would
, right Whether you're makinggood money but you don't feel
aligned with your true path.
(01:02:57):
Or you feel like you're alignedwith your true path, but how do
I make this?
Make money now to pay the billsCould be either way.
For you guys out there, thissounds like you probably need a
coach.
I say to people all the timeyou can do things alone.
Of course we can, but it's ahell of a lot easier and less
painful if we find supportgroups and support coaches for
these things.
And if you're listening to thispodcast, you're probably a bit
(01:03:19):
spiritual.
You got a little woo woo goingon, and so a holistic business
coach is going to work so muchbetter for you than just a white
collar business coach who'sonly thinking numbers.
We need more than that now.
So this is going to be perfect.
So find a holistic businesscoach and get a hold of Chrissy
here and see if that works out.
Do you have?
Do you do this whole?
(01:03:39):
Hey, let's talk for 10 minutesand see if we're a good match or
not.
So much, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I love conversations.
I mean, I'm a chatter, ifthat's been unclear at any point
.
So, send me an email.
You can send me a DM onInstagram Like I am almost going
to guarantee a voice note back,but absolutely consult calls
20-minute sessions, 45 minutes.
Before you invest your time andenergy in me, I want to make
(01:04:08):
sure that you like me.
I want to make sure that I canactually help you in the way
that you need, because maybe I'mnot the right holistic business
coach?
Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
No, because, again, you don't want to waste your
time with Christy and Christydoesn't want to waste her time
with you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I'm sorry, but that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Let's just have a conversation, and there's no
prep for that conversation,necessarily.
Or if they're sending you a DMor whatever, they don't need to
do a long.
Here's every intricate part ofmy business.
No, just here's where I'm at,here, here's where I'm at,
here's my name.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Here's my contact info, and then just have a quick
conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
We're humans, we're just going to chat, click
through, figure out her coachingstyle.
Listen, I got questions all daylong because I'm a talker too,
but you guys listening havethings to do today too.
We all have things to do today,so I'm going to have to call it
.
We'll have to call it, chrissy,but come back when you have
more God, especially once we getinto all this channeling.
We got to figure out what'sgoing on here.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
I will keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
If you need to practice, you just zoom me or
whatever, we'll practice you can, you can, yeah, tap into me.
See what you got.
I'm pretty open.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
You can channel for me.
I've had all kinds of peoplechannel for me that never have
before.
I had a guest channel thePleiadians for me.
Oh, that's so cool, okay, andI've never had done where.
It was the coolest thing ever.
So no, I'm open to whateveryour channel and you can channel
for me.
Just let me know.
We've learned so much.
I've learned so much.
I hope you guys have too.
(01:05:32):
All listening, I've had a goodtime, so hopefully you guys have
it too.
And so hook up with Chrissy.
If you feel like this alignsfor you right, if this resonates
for you even just hearing hervoice is like she seems like
she'd be a good match for meThen you reach out right.
If she doesn't move on, listento another episode, it's fine.
(01:05:52):
You'll find someone.
But if you feel aligned, yougot to do it today.
Don't put it off.
Maybe I'll get ahold of Chrissy, you know, next October, no,
just do it now.
You're not going to remember.
No, we don't know day to daywhat's going to happen in our
lives.
So just I say you do it nowbecause we're midlifers too and
we forget shit.
So just jot it down and hook upwith Chrissy.
(01:06:17):
Chrissy, thank you so much.
Do you have any other partingwords, Anything else you want us
to know?
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
One.
I just want to say thank you.
This has been so much fun.
I appreciate you having me hereand just keep going.
Believe in yourself.
If there is something tuggingon your heart, whether it seems
ridiculous or not, go for it,have fun.
The whole point of being human,in my opinion, is to experience
it and to enjoy the process.
(01:06:43):
So play, have fun, create,enjoy who and how you get to be.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yep, the first thing might not work, but the 15th
thing, might you just keep going?
Yeah, it's all part of the thepath.
Sometimes you're not at the end.
When you think you're at theend, there's more.
You just keep going.
You just keep going until well,until you're dead guys right,
that's that's life.
We're halfway to dead or more.
I'm pretty sure I'm more, butthat doesn't matter.
(01:07:12):
I don't care if I have a yearleft, a day left left, 30 years
left, I don't know.
They'll just do it.
You just keep going.
That's what we're here for.
That's what we agreed to, thiscrazy thing called being human.
That's why we're here.
Thanks, chrissy, we'll talk toyou again soon.
Thank you so much.
Listen, I know your time isvaluable and right now I'm
feeling super grateful andtotally humbled that you chose
(01:07:35):
to hang out with me today.
If this podcast resonates withyou, could you do me a solid and
hit that subscribe or followbutton?
That's going to help you outbecause you're never going to
miss an episode, and it helps meout because you're never going
to miss an episode.
And if you have like 30 secondsmore, could you leave a
five-star rating and maybe leavea kick-ass review.
(01:07:55):
Thank you so much and I can'twait to continue our journey on
the next episode.
Oh, and I can't forget the fineprint.
You know the legal jargon.
This podcast is presentedsolely for educational and
entertainment purposes.
We're just two friends on thisjourney together and this
podcast is not intended as asubstitute for the advice of a
(01:08:17):
physician, professional coach,psychotherapist or any other
qualified professional, you getit.
See you next time.
Hey friend, welcome to the halfway to dead podcast.
I'm your host, jen Lovell.
Listen, you and I have reachedthat age where we are done with
the bullshit.
We know that midlife is ourchance to flip the script and
experience life on our own terms.
It's time to reconnect with ourhigher selves and reclaim our
inner peace.
Are you ready with an openheart and an open mind?
(00:26):
Awesome, you're in the rightplace.
Hop in and ride shotgun with meon this midlife spiritual
journey.
Hey guys, thanks for comingback.
I appreciate you guys.
So today I interviewed ChrissyMellinger.
Chrissy is a holistic businesscoach, speaker and proud dog
mama shout out Jack and Murphywho helps ambitious women
(00:49):
service providers step out ofthe overworked solopreneur
identity and into the badass CEOrunning a wildly successful
business.
Identity Sounds awesome, right,and we can do this on our own
terms and with our own rules.
So listen, every business isunique and Christy's job is to
help you carve your own pathwith custom frameworks that work
(01:09):
for you and for your business,so that you can make all the
money and impact that you wantin business and life without
compromising on the things thatare most important to you.
So if you ever met someone andyou're just like.
Oh, I really like them.
They're so similar to me, butnot too similar, but similar
enough.
That was Chrissy for me.
She loves the dogs, she lovesthe animals.
(01:31):
She's got a little bit of apotty mouth, like me.
You know that.
She doesn't have a problemthrough the occasional F-bomb if
needed.
She's straightforward.
She's got just the right amountof sarcasm and life experience.
If I was looking for a businesscoach, this is what I would
look for, you guys.
So we talk about, basically wetalk about all kinds of things.
(01:54):
So the first step is likegetting back into our bodies and
figuring out what resonateswith us, so that we know that we
are aligning both our personallife and our business path to
our spiritual journey, to whatresonates with us, what feels
true to us.
We feel aligned, right, thatour soul is aligned with
everything we're doing.
That's the goal.
(02:15):
We talk about her story, howshe got where she's at, what
happened to her a few years backthat made her really rethink
everything, change her businessplan herself.
We talk about like social media.
Do we need it, do we not?
How do we deal with frickingsocial media with our business?
We talk about ways to make surewe're aligned and to make our
business prosper, because, as acoach to middle-aged women in
(02:39):
business, we're looking to makemore money while also honoring
our spiritual awakening, andthis is what she's all about,
Okay.
So make sure you listen in allthe way to the end.
She shares fun stories, likeshe's just a cool, cool chick to
talk to.
So, also, I'm starting this newthing.
Dropping with this episode rightnow is something that's the HTD
(03:01):
.
I'm calling it for now.
I'm calling it the after showbecause I have these
conversations sometimes thathappen either during the
interview or after the interviewthat maybe don't exactly mesh
into the subject we wanted totalk about, but they're
interesting conversations andreally fun stuff.
Sometimes they're outtakes,funny stuff.
(03:23):
Sometimes it's just we get more, we dive in, we get off track,
I get off track, you guys, weget off track, but it still
feels like worthy informationyou guys would like to hear.
So make sure you tune into thatafter you listen to this episode
, because we dive a little bitmore into some fun things that
Chrissy has going on and we justtalk.
I don't know, we talk aboutdogs and husbands.
Listen, it's the after show, sohang in for that one.
(03:46):
I want you guys to hear thattoo, because it'll give you even
more look into Chrissy'spersonality to see if she's a
match for you.
So let's jump in and heareverything Chrissy has to say
about aligning our path and oursoul's purpose with our business
.
And in the meantime, doing allthat, let's make a shit ton of
money.
All right, let's jump in.
Hey, chrissy, thanks for beingwith me today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Hey, Jen, thanks for having me.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is going to be good.
So I've told everyone aboutsome of your credentials and
that.
But you're a holistic businesscoach.
So we're going to dive intowhat that means the holistic-y
part a little bit.
But first I just want you totell everybody your business
credentials, because you werenot a spiritualistic, woo-woo
person that said, hey, I'm goingto start coaching people in
their business.
No, you've got the business toback this up, like the business
(04:37):
skills.
We're going to get into yourstory.
But just briefly, just soeveryone listening knows this
girl knows the business part, soshe's holistic too, but the
business part.
So again, just tell us a littlebit about your background
business-wise.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, perfect.
So definitely did not startwith the holistic stuff.
My background is a dualBachelor of Science in Finance
and Economics.
I took a lot of classes ineconomics of developing nations.
How do we get quote, unquotethird world nations to be more
developed nations the financialside of that, the business side
(05:14):
of that, the human capital sideof that?
I went into hedge fundadministration for a couple of
years, so I worked with huge,huge amounts of money, went back
to school, got my MBA with aconcentration in hospitality
revenue management, which meansbecause that's not a title most
people know about, I think likehotels.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So hotels but it's how to make as much money as
possible across all of thedifferent revenue streams, which
is room nights, food andbeverage outlets, spa packages,
golf courses, whatever it is.
Which is a lot of strategy andoperations and forecasting and
budgeting, while also actuallybringing the customer experience
(05:59):
that top notch.
If you're going to pay $1,500 anight for something, you want
the experience to back it up.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So yeah, you better get something more than a bed.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Right.
So delivering that really highquality customer experience
while still making a shit ton ofmoney for the actual company to
continue to do his job.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and you made a shit ton because you, you
brought in for that company likeB with a B billion, billion,
not million, but a B guys.
And I don't know if you've everreally thought of what a
billion dollars is, but it's,it's a lot, it's a freaking lot,
you guys.
Okay, so, yeah, so you've gotthis business part down pat.
(06:41):
You have been out in thebusiness world and when you say
you're a holistic business coach, this does not mean that you
only coach woo, woo people.
No, no, no.
So tell us, because you sayyou're a holistic, but okay, I'm
going to read this on ourwebsite I think holistic
business coach for bad-ass womenwho want to play the game of
business and win the game withtheir own rules, aka, and make a
(07:05):
shit ton of money at the sametime.
So does that kind of sum up?
We're going to get into thisholistic part, for sure, you
guys, but let's dig into thejourney, because did you start
out with a holistic coachingstrategy, or what came into your
life that made you realizethere's more to this business
coaching than just the businessend of it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So to answer that, I'm actually going to back it up
to before I even started mybusiness because that's going to
help us understand.
So I started my business inAugust of 2020.
So not quite peak pandemiclockdown, but not opened up and
fresh.
We were still pretty tightlyclosed down in August of 2020.
So before that, I had beenbuilding my business career in
(07:53):
hotels and growing and climbingthe corporate ladder and getting
the promotions and this, thatand the other thing.
And in the fall of 2018, I hadwhat I'm 100% owning as a mental
breakdown.
I had what I'm 100% owning as amental breakdown.
Started having huge medicalissues.
I was about to turn 30.
Having huge medical issues,making mistakes at work.
I lost a lot of executive,functioning, higher thought,
(08:16):
functioning strategy.
Remembering things like that.
Ended up taking a three-monthleave of absence because I'm
like.
Ended up taking a three-monthleave of absence because I'm
like what is this, what is goingon here?
And it was in that time that,for the first time in my life, I
actually started looking atwhat's under the hood.
You start doing the work right.
(08:37):
It's amazing and terrifying atthe same time when you pop that
hood and you're like I have 30years of my own crap, plus all
my ancestral crap, plus plus allof the da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
and that is what really startedme as like, oh, I actually don't
want to be climbing thecorporate ladder in the way that
I'm doing and I don't want tojust be like pushing hard,
(08:59):
having terrible relationships,not actually getting to see my
husband and my dogs, just goinghard, so fast forward.
We're doing the work, going totherapy, doing the things,
getting into spirituality, whatthat looks like.
Yada, yada, 2020 hits.
The entire hotel industry isshuttered.
Oh yeah, was on furlough formost of the year, and then we
(09:23):
were basically told like, hey,you can take this severance
package or you can cross yourfingers, hope and pray that
something's going to work out.
I'm like, no, I want to pay offmy student loans.
Please give me the severancepackage, let me have, let me
clean off that debt.
And then I figured out okay,how do I do this thing?
(09:44):
How do I go use my skills thatI've spent so much time on?
And my whole business actuallystarted as a life coach, as a
general, I want to help womenhave a better life.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, Without the business part of it necessarily
just like-.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Just be better and that's a great business model.
That's great for a lot ofpeople.
Just be better and that's agreat business model.
That's great for a lot ofpeople.
Except, I don't want to haveconversations about your kids or
your partners or the datingdrama that you have going on.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You didn't want to be a therapist, right, you wanted
to incorporate things to helpout with that, but really
business.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So when I finally like quote unquote niche down
into business coaching, it washardcore strategy, this is what
we're going to do.
It's going to sound likeeverybody else we're going to go
hard, everything that I haddone in my previous life.
We're going to go hard, we'regoing to get it done.
We're going to make money.
You're probably going to end upbeing miserable, but you're
going to be wealthy.
Right, because that's what youdid, that's what I did, and I
(10:40):
did it very well and ended upgiving myself a mental breakdown
at 29.
Right, so it was in like,honestly, things not working out
, not getting a lot of clients,not being happy with the clients
that I had, them not having agreat time, me not having a
great time continuing to do myown personal work on the back
(11:01):
end, getting differentcertifications and just
different experiences, where Irealized this is the missing
piece.
Chrissy, girly, get it together.
The same thing that you figuredout a couple of years ago for
yourself you've got to helpother people with now is how do
we look at business as a supportfor our lives?
I love my business, I love whatI get to do, and it's only one
(11:24):
part of who I am, but how can Ibuild that one part of who I am
to support the rest of it, tosupport the other things I want
to do?
So that was a long-windedanswer, but that's how we got to
holistic.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay.
So you basically were about toturn 30.
You had a little, what somepeople call a little dark night
of the soul, a little breakdown,and so you had to, like you
said, you had to pop the hood,like we all end up doing.
We have to start unburying allthe things we bury and then you
got back into business, took asecond to realize this could all
mesh into one thing, and thenhere you sit.
(11:59):
So where in the journey?
Because I saw that you havecertifications in like Reiki,
somatic embodiment, integrativesomatic trauma therapy.
Where were you doing all ofthat?
Where'd that fall?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Reiki was 2022, 2021 into 2022, because I have levels
one and two of Holy Fire Usui,because I have levels one and
two of Holy Fire Usui, and then2023 into 2024 were both of my
(12:35):
somatic the embodiment and theISTT certification, and so, just
if we brought it way backthough, were you raised
religious or spiritual?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Like, how hard was it to jump into this spiritual
woo-woo?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So I was technically raised Catholic.
I went through and got most ofmy sacraments up until I got
married and I was like, yeah,I'm not getting married in the
church.
I was raised Catholic but wewent to church a couple of times
a year, like a little bit morethan Christmas and Easter.
More than Christmas, easterCatholic it, With all of the
Catholic guilt, with all of theItalian on one side, German
(13:11):
Eastern European on the otherside.
guilt that just comes with thoseancestries.
I've always believed in ahigher power.
I thought it was God growing up, but not God from the Bible,
god from like.
Oh, somebody up there islooking out for me.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Right, not the scary God.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Not the scary.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Hell is coming to get you.
So it was pretty easy to jumpinto the spirituality of things
and it also, when I got into itit kind of settled things in my
soul.
I've always had questions.
I remember this is like a sillystory, but I remember being in
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CCD, which is like Sunday schoolfor the Catholic church, and I
was in probably third grade,second or third grade, and I
remember sitting at the tableand they were telling us
whatever parable we weresupposed to be learning and I
was like okay, but what camebefore God?
What created God to create theworld?
You can't have something fromnothing.
(14:11):
And the teacher was like Godcame before, like didn't know
how to answer my question.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, it didn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Did it and it and had no words to explain to a little
kid what this is.
And when I started to open upinto spirituality and energy and
universe and source and whatthat looks like and how it is,
different things settled in mybrain and in my body where I'm
like, oh, this is easy, I gotthis.
(14:41):
This makes more sense to methan yeah, because that all
resonated with you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You're like that sounds right.
Okay, that sounds more rightthan what I was taught as a kid.
Yeah, I got this.
This makes more sense to methan yeah, because that all
resonated with you.
You're like that sounds right,okay, that sounds more right
than what I was taught as a kid.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I might not understand it all, but at least
like.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, we don't understand it all,but at least you feel settled
and like you're on the rightpath.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes, okay, so that's kind of your a little bit of
your journey story, where howyou got from where you were to
where you are, and so you're aholistic business coach.
What does it look like for usif we were to become one of your
clients?
Like who you see in mostly, isit people who are have an idea
and just starting in, or arethey well-established business
women, men, women, either.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So most of my business was actually people who
were brand new starting out.
Over the last year, I've beenshifting into more of that
established.
I call it the overworkedsolopreneur.
You're doing all the things,you're wearing all the hats,
you're probably burnt out byWednesday night and you're ready
(15:43):
to actually shift into being abusiness owner of delegating,
automating, hiring on, scalingsustainably so that you can
actually enjoy the money and theimpact and the time that you
wanted when you started thebusiness.
It is primarily women.
One of my core values is gettingmoney and power into the hands
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of people who need it, which,for the most part, is women and
marginalized identities.
So I work primarily with women,Will work with really cool
dudes who get it, but my primaryfocus is women and it really is
about that.
Where the holistic reallyreally, really comes in is the
fact that, yes, I'm a businesscoach.
We're going to talk about thestrategies and the visibility
(16:27):
and the conversion and thenumbers and the data and the
da-da-da-da-da-da, All with thisperspective of what do you want
?
What life do you want?
What impact do you want?
How are you changing the worldfor the better?
How do you want to enjoy yourtime?
How do you want to invest yourmoney into the world at large,
(16:49):
and how do you want to feelabout it?
Because you can make all themoney in the world and if you're
miserable it's not worth it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right.
No, you're just sacrificingyourself in the midst of all
that.
I feel like I don't know why,but all of a sudden I feel like
authenticity plays a big part inthis.
Is it important in yourbusiness to make sure you're
living like you said, like italigns with your soul's purpose,
with your path?
You don't want to come home andfeel like you're not being.
You were being this businesswoman all day and that didn't
(17:20):
feel authentic, right.
Then you come home and youmeditate and you do your stuff,
but you're like, oh, I shouldreally be.
This doesn't feel right.
When I'm at work, do you get alot of people like that?
I don't feel like I'm lined up.
And so if we feel like that,what's the first kind of step to
realign ourselves?
Is there like a method you use?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I really like to just come home, come home to us.
And that looks differently fordifferent people.
So for me personally, it's alot of movement based.
I was disconnected from my bodyfor so many years that it's
literally shaking off energy.
It's coming back home andcalling my energy back to me.
For some people it's journaling, it's visualizing, it's
(18:01):
meditation.
But first, before we doanything else, we have to come
home.
We have to take a beat, put onthe blinders, put on the
earmuffs, tune out the outsideworld and ask ourselves, if we
take off all the shoulds, allthe things we're supposed to
have, all the statuses, all thecrap that the external world is
(18:22):
trying to put on us, what do wewant?
Yeah, that's a hard one.
Right, it sounds so simple, butas adults, we don't ask
ourselves what do you want?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
No, and you know what Most of my pod friends?
We're mostly midlifers Okay.
So we've gotten to the point inour life we've done for
everyone else, right.
We did for the kids, we did forthe animals, we did for the
neighbors, our parents, whoeverwas in our lives.
We were, you know, ourco-workers.
We were sacrificing for them,like whoever we had to.
We just sacrificed, okay.
(18:55):
And then we get to this pointwhere we're like well, this is
shit, like I'm not happy, and ittakes a minute, I think, to
figure out what we even likeanymore, because we liked what
everybody told us to like for solong.
So do you see that a lot wherewe have to figure out what we
even like?
I think we've been fed so muchin our lifetimes that sometimes
(19:17):
we forget, you know, we'rebelieving what's on the news or
what our partner says, orwhatever you know, and then it
takes a minute to just say, ohGod, what do God?
What the hell do I believe Likewhat?
I don't know, I don't even knowanymore.
So, like you said, you can dothat through journaling.
What else did you say?
How do we figure that part outright away?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
right away it's creativity and go back to the
oftentimes obnoxious little kidimage of questioning things.
Well, do I actually do I want aburger for dinner, or is that
just what we have on Thursdays?
Do I actually like red wine, oram I drinking it because it has
(19:58):
heart benefits?
Do I want to actually have mysecond cup of coffee today, or
do I really want to go to thestore and get a lemonade Right?
So little?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
decisions.
Yeah, it doesn't have to belife-changing stuff right away.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Absolutely, and it shouldn't be because you're not
prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
No, and is that what you mean by even just getting
back into our bodies?
So it shouldn't be becauseyou're not prepared for it.
No, if you go out and it'severything by getting, even just
getting back into our bodies.
So it wasn't in my body anymore.
So if someone's listening rightnow and you're like I don't
think I'm in my body either,what are the signs?
You're not in your body anymore?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You're overthinking that everything is about.
This is the strategy, this ishow I've always done things.
This is how smart I am.
This is like I'm known for mybrain and that's what I'm going
to work on, and that's one ofthe biggest things.
Anxiety I'm not a medicalprofessional, but anxiety is
often something that's going tocorrespond with that.
(20:55):
You've got too much energy inyour body.
Whether you're constantlyfidgeting with something, or
you're constantly tapping theleg, or your mind won't stop
racing.
That's all energy that has tobe moved and it's showing up
that way because you're not inyour body enough to be like huh,
(21:16):
actually you know what.
I'm just going to sit here andI'm going to bounce around a
little bit because I have somenervous energy at me.
Let yourself bounce the damnaround.
Who gives a shit?
Just jump around for a littlebit.
Those are some of the biggestones.
And then also a loss ofcreativity.
Our creation is oftentimes aswomen, we're going to feel it in
(21:39):
our womb and our sacral right,Our creation energy.
But that desire to createsomething, whether it's a
drawing or gardening or bakingsomething or just doodling if
there's no spark of creation orcreativity, that's oftentimes a
(22:00):
leading sign that you are waytoo much in your brain or too
much out in the world and notenough in your own being.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
So then, if that's you out there listening right
now, you got to get back in yourbody first, and we got to do
that by opening the creativepathways.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, whatever that means.
Whether that means if you lovemusic, throwing on a dance, I
would assume it's a good way todo it.
Just get moving.
Is this working out?
Count?
You have to love working outfor it to work.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You have to go into it with the right mentality,
it'll still move energy.
But if you're doing it from aplace of like, oh I'm going to
go running because it's going tohelp me be in a different body
shape, that's not as helpful asI'm going to go for a run
because, good God damn, my brainwon't stop.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, I just have to go do something, whether it's a
walk or not.
So this isn't a weight lossjourney.
This is just getting back intothe body you have on.
You Don't worry about the bodyright now, just get back in it,
hop in and then start figuringout your passions.
So then we're working through,we feel like we're back in our
body, we're feeling a little bitof like good, good energy.
(23:08):
Then what do we do?
We got to get this business upand hopping and our lives back
in order.
What are we going to do?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Ask yourself really Like again, it's going to sound
stupid, simple, but it's theactual doing of it.
That's hard.
If you don't have to listen tothe partner or the spouse or the
friend or the kid or the dick.
What would be like the coolestthing to do right now?
That the essence of who you arecan show up in a way that makes
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you so obnoxious to be aroundbecause you won't stop smiling.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Something that you light up when you even just talk
about it or think about it.
And what if that isn't reallyrelated to the business we're
already running?
Is that okay?
That is totally okay, or isthat a problem?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Okay, that is totally okay because it is that a
problem.
Okay, that is totally okaybecause it can mean a couple of
different things.
So it's totally okay becausemaybe the business that you're
running right now is fullypaying for life, taking care of
everything.
You don't want to burn it downbecause you know we got to pay
the bills.
So this new idea that you have,is it a hobby?
So this new idea that you have,is it a hobby Like, is it
(24:22):
literally just something for fun, that's personal for you, that
gives you enough joy that thebusiness doesn't feel like a
burden anymore?
That's one.
The second is is it somethingthat you want to bring into the
business, or the essence of it?
Can you bring into the business?
Let's say, I work really wellwith examples.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's how I learn really well, I was going to say
give us an example.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, let's say you're a business coach and
that's your business.
You provide business coachingor consulting services and you
really get this idea that youwant to take an acting class or
an improv class and you're like,oh my gosh, this would be so
much fun.
Okay, that can either be ahobby for yourself that you just
go and do improv on Tuesdaynights, or you can bring that in
(25:04):
and be like that actually canhelp me show up differently.
That can help me give myclients skill sets to show up on
camera with more peace and moreease, so you can bring it into
the business.
You're not necessarily teachingthem improv skills, but you're
teaching them presence and stageand how to hold yourself and
(25:24):
speak.
Or a third option is you're likeactually I don't want to do
this business thing anymore.
It's too restrictive, it's notthe way that feels true to my
soul right now.
Too restrictive, it's not theway that feels true to my soul
right now.
I'm going to put it on pause.
Allow yourself to have thattemporary feeling and see what
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the improv looks like.
Maybe you realize in six monthsthat was cool, but that was a
weird period of time that Idon't actually want to go back
to.
Those are kind of the threepaths of how things might show
up, and I also want to realquick.
You said something about likeoh, how did you?
Didn't call it a failure.
Whatever it is, whatever comesup is coming up for a reason.
(26:11):
So, just like, allow yourselfto play with it.
You don't have to take actionIf, all of a sudden, the idea
that dropped into my brain waslike you should go be a stunt
actor.
No, ma'am, I will not be doingthat.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Probably not jumping off buildings and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
No, no, ma'am, but maybe I like find a trampoline
park that allows adults and Ican go like bebop around for
that for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Right, yeah, we don't have to go to the extreme of
our idea.
Just be a fun hobby, you guys.
That makes life bearable whileyou're building your business,
exactly Right.
And then there's probably waysto infuse the joy.
Okay, because if you're ahappier person, if life is just
overall better for you, businesscan only get better.
I think, right, absolutely,because more doors are going to
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open, you're going to be morepositive towards other people.
That's going to draw them intoyou and your business.
Whatever that is, like you said,not necessarily a business
coach.
You could be crocheting likewashcloths on Etsy, I don't know
.
Whatever you got going on canget infused, probably, with this
creativity and these ideas.
Or, you know, it could beanything.
It could be a tiny businessright now that you're doing from
(27:23):
home, or you could be right now, you may already have a
multimillion dollar businessgoing, but you're just freaking,
not happy, like bills are paid,you're going on cool vacations,
but you're still sad inside.
So this is where a holisticbusiness coach can help out.
Right, because you're going tohelp figure out how to make
everything mesh better in ourlives, make us feel good about
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it, because if we're doingsomething that doesn't feel
aligned, all right, we did thissoul searching.
We're in this spiritual journey.
We figured out what we believeand what we don't believe to be
true for us and all of a suddenwe said our business doesn't
align, like we're not helpingpeople.
We feel like we might behurting people.
I don't know.
I'm thinking there's situationswhere it's like no, I want to
be good in the world, but I feellike this business I've started
(28:09):
maybe isn't as great as Ithought it was for others.
What do we do then?
We kind of do have to reallypivot.
There's a pivot to be had, yeah.
So is that something you helppeople with?
Because obviously we got towatch the numbers and the
finances during the pivot, alongwith our own emotional
wellbeing in the pivot and thosemanaging those around us, cause
(28:29):
a lot of times our business andour income affects all those
around us.
So unless you're single, withno family or friends, like this
is going to affect people, yourdecisions.
So do you have like tips forhow to like manage all that?
That's a lot to manage all atonce Yourself, others, money.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yes, I do.
And the first thing is itsounds like a trite little
saying from a little 36 year oldwho has a husband and two dogs
yeah, but you have to take careof yourself, which means you
don't have to burn it all downin one go and be like, oh my
(29:08):
gosh, I have unintentionallybeen harming others.
Yes, take responsibility, butalso you got to feed yourself,
you gotta pay the medical billsand the mortgage and the things
into that.
So, figuring out how you canminimize the harm while
continuing to take care ofyourself unless you're actively
(29:31):
harming people, in which caseclose the effing business down
and deal with loans and creditcard debt, right, right, yeah,
but also taking care of yourselfand taking action, taking
responsibility and ownership,while also navigating the space
that, unless you wereintentionally, maliciously
(29:53):
causing that harm, you wereprobably doing your best at the
time.
You didn't go out, so we need toforgive ourselves a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Give ourselves some grace.
I always think, when you knowbetter, you do better.
Right, that's what we have toworry about.
When we know better, we startdoing better.
And then the other stuff.
Just forgive yourself for it,which is hard to do.
I find it harder to forgivemyself than others.
Sometimes it's like you shouldhave known better and you should
have known better.
Why did you just do that?
(30:22):
Yeah, so when we know better,we do better.
That might even look like, Idon't know.
If you're running a businessand you're slowly making a pivot
, do you make some donations?
Do you I don't know volunteersome of your time?
You do something that starts tofeed your soul and fill your
cup back up.
If the business isn't doing ityet, is the end goal for the
(30:42):
business to start filling yourcup a little bit more too,
though?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'm a firm believer that my business is a way that
my magic, that my sole purposegets to interact and improve the
world.
It's not a task for me to do,it's not a career ladder for me
to grow.
It is a way that this piece ofsource energy gets to help that
(31:06):
piece of source energy.
So if I'm not enjoying thebusiness and it's not filling me
back up, I'm not then able todeliver to you.
I'm not then able to deliver toyou even in a podcast recording
that same kind of like.
We can do it, jen.
Let's get it done if I'mmiserable over here.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Because it feels super inauthentic.
Do you do a lot of work withyour clients tapping into their
intuition?
Yeah, that's a part of it.
So do you have any tips on that?
Because I think that for mefeels like a really good phase.
One is tapping into your ownintuition, because if you can't
trust your own gut, I mean, whatare we even doing?
We can't make good decisions.
(31:48):
No, we cannot, right, we haveto look within, and so would you
say that that's a big part ofthe beginning Figuring out what
you I don't know, what you evenbelieve, what you think, what
you find to be true.
Do you have any exercise?
Is there an exercise for that?
How do you exercise thatintuition thing?
Is there something we can do tostart trusting our intuition
(32:10):
more?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
A big piece for me is slowing down and nervous system
regulation is slowing down andnervous system regulation.
So many of us, especially asbusiness owners, who are just
going, going, going all day long, we're in a reactive state.
We are reacting to the thingsthat are happening.
We're reacting to the email, tothe request for blah, blah,
(32:34):
blah, to the Stripe notification, to the Instagram notification,
and we're not intentionallyliving our life, we're just task
to task to task.
So the first thing is toliterally just slow down, take a
pause, bring back into, let'stake a breath for a second as
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deeply as you can.
For some people that's going tobe deep down into your belly,
for others it's going to stop,like right out by your chest,
but literally just like, stopand take a deep breath, let
yourself be in the moment, getback right into the body there.
Because when we create thatspace, both like in our physical
environment, in the motions andactivities that we're doing,
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and in our body, and we'remaking space by taking a breath,
we're actually allowingeverything else to kind of turn
off and our intuition to turn on.
If we're just reacting all daylong, there's no place for that
intuition to like drop in,there's no place for that gut
feeling to feel like anything,because our brains are too busy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Exactly, yeah, we're way too busy.
So I bet a lot of.
How do you feel about socialmedia?
Because I feel like socialmedia has made our brains way
too busy too often.
We don't have that downtime weused to have.
I remember, even just when Iwas growing up, downtime was
like commercials from TV, right,that's when you got up, you
(34:04):
went to the bathroom, you got asnack, you chilled for a minute
because you had to pause untilyour show came back on.
We don't even have that anymore.
We just fast forward.
We just, yeah, we can't, wedon't, we have no patience.
Right, we have, our shows haveto be on demand.
We have to be able to see thewhole season right now.
Like, we can't wait till nextweek for episode three.
(34:28):
Like, I feel like everything isso different now than when I
grew up, like when a lot of mysisters probably grew up too.
Like we grew up with a lot offricking free time.
Right, our imaginations soaredall day long.
Like our parents just kicked usout of the house.
Like go play, be home.
When the fucking street lightscome on, you don't care what
you're doing.
This is how I was raised.
In fact, there was a commercialon TV when I was a child
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reminding our parents they hadchildren.
It came on at 10 PM every night.
At 10 PM every night.
It would be on every TV station, radio station.
It would say it's 10 o'clock.
Do you know where your childrenare?
Not even kidding, google it.
That was a commercial becauseour parents had to be reminded
(35:09):
that we existed.
And it's 10 o'clock, and areyour kids inside?
Okay, so we had a lot offreaking free time.
So that's all changed now andeven though I was raised that
way, I will now get addicted toa scroll on my phone and you
look up and you're like I justwasted an hour of my life and I
feel like I got not much out ofit.
(35:31):
Sometimes I do, Sometimes I geta good recipe or something, but
in general it's not a great useof time.
So do you have any social mediasuggestions?
Because, also as businesswomen,that's it's not a great use of
time.
So do you have any social mediasuggestions?
Because, also as businesswomen,that's where it's at.
You feel like you're not goingto be very good at your business
if you're not doing five socialmedia accounts and posting
every day, if not more than oncea day.
(35:53):
So then our mind's always oncontent creation, which is like
how do we get creative duringall of that?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So, yeah, yes to everything you just said.
I personally can't stand socialmedia.
I started mine, I started mine,I've had one.
So I had Facebook when it cameout and you still needed a
university or college address tolog into it and it was
(36:27):
primarily stupid, little stupidteenager crap.
Yeah, that started my dogs,because I am obsessed.
And then when I started mybusiness, I was like, oh, this
is a way that I can hit themasses and I can grow my
visibility and all the thingsthat we're told.
But then, like you just said,it very quickly stops being a
(36:50):
tool and very quickly becomesthis cage of we have to fit the
algorithm, we've got to fit thetrends, we've got to fit what
we're doing, so it's exhausting.
It's exhausting and it sucksthe fun out of it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Because, unless you are an influencer or a content
creator, you didn't start yourbusiness to be a content creator
.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
So the first thing is , honestly, do you want to use
social media?
Do you think we need?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
to no.
No, okay, all right, I likethat.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Okay, which I know is not what most people say, but
here's the thing it's 2025.
It's humanity has been aroundfor thousands of years and if
you look at the timeline ofhumanity, commerce has always
happened.
It has changed.
The way that we've conductedbusiness has changed.
(37:51):
It was barter systems, all thatkind of stuff, but business has
always been around.
Social media has been aroundfor that much time.
It's a great tool In a globalworld.
It is an amazing way to get aton of customers.
However, unless you are runninga business that is like a
(38:13):
digital downloadable, somethingthat's like truly built to scale
for thousands and thousands oforders a month or a day or a
year, you don't need it.
Like if you're a serviceprovider, whether you do
one-on-one programs or groupprograms, or like big
memberships, you don't need toreach millions of people.
(38:36):
You need to reach the rightpeople Exactly, and social media
can be used.
Social media is a great tool.
If you want to use it, go do it.
Rah, rah, let's get it doneWith very strong boundaries on.
I'm going to go post the thingbefore I look at anybody else's
or, better yet, I'm going to gopost the thing and then turn my
(39:00):
phone off, put it away, puttimers on.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, because I think where we get wrapped up in is
we do our post that maybe wedidn't put a ton of time into,
but we did a post.
Then we got to monitor thatshit.
Oh, we got to answer people'sreplies, we got to check on it.
How many people have seen it?
Why haven't more people likedit?
Like we get in our own headsthen, was it a good enough post?
(39:25):
Should I get rid of that post?
Nobody really likes that post.
Should I get rid of that post?
I don't know.
It becomes a fricking lot.
And so you're saying is itdependent on what kind of
business you're running, if it'smore necessary or not?
Or, in general, are there waysto get around it?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
In general, there are ways to get around it.
But if you are something like,let's say, you have like a
digital download where yourproduct is like $5, so you rely
on volume, it is far more usefulto be on social media than for
someone who's selling like a$10,000 package.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, and are there certain, if you had to
guesstimate, are there certainplatforms right now that are
more beneficial as a middle-agedwoman to be using, or does it
just depend on what your targetaudience is also?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
It really depends on your target audience because,
like Threads is having a moment,threads is, with all the
changes to the meta universeFacebook, instagram even though
Threads is still part of meta itis like having a resurgence of
people just want to go buildcommunity there Okay.
But if you don't want tonecessarily build community and
(40:33):
you're like I just want to sellmy thing, threads probably isn't
it for you.
So it really depends on thetarget audience.
But I would say Threads ishaving a resurgence.
Depends on the target audience.
But I would say threads ishaving a resurgence.
Linkedin is and isn't socialmedia and it's like trying to
figure out what LinkedIn is.
Yeah, but depending on whatyou're like.
If you are high level serviceprovider, like specific times of
(40:54):
coaches or consultancy work oreven web design kind of
professional services, linkedinis a really great place to be
because not many smallbusinesses are on there.
It's still corporate employees,but LinkedIn is trying to cater
towards small businesses andprofessional services.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So that might be an option.
And then we've always got ourstandard Facebook Instagram
that's always kind of rollingalong or whatever.
We got those Okay.
So if we do do social media,what I'm hearing you say is
don't let it consume your wholelife, because now you can, you
can schedule, even say you'rejust a Facebooker.
(41:36):
You guys, you're still just aFacebooker, you can schedule a
week's worth of posts and walkaway.
Okay, If you can get to thatpoint.
I'm not there yet.
I'm struggling because I don'tlove social media, but I feel
like I need to hit my audience.
So I'm finding them.
But yeah, we schedule it andthen don't worry about how many
likes it's getting, Don't worryabout what it's doing.
How do you feel about whenpeople start, when we get the
(41:58):
trolls, and then we get somenegative comments under there?
Do we need to manage those ordo we just move on with our
lives?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
What do you think?
Honestly, that one iscompletely dependent on you and
your nervous system.
There are some people who arelike, ooh, I got my first troll,
it's a sign that I've made itand I'm visible enough.
And they're like, ooh, that'sexciting.
And they just ignore it or theyhide it or whatever.
And there are people who arelike, oh my gosh, somebody's mad
(42:27):
at me.
What's everyone going to think?
Right, my first troll was Iwear contacts most of the time,
but I'll put my glasses on if Ineed to or to give my eyes a
break.
I have very bad vision, so Ihave Coke bottle lenses, so
there's a distortion in my facewhere my glasses are, of course,
when you have them on.
Yeah Right, my very first trollwas comments around my glasses
(42:51):
and the refraction on my eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh, good God, and it's just like dude.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I'm sitting up here talking about whatever the heck
I was talking about and you'recommenting like great Thanks, my
parents for giving me badeyesight.
Like what do you want me to dowith?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
it.
What's your point?
What's your point in talkingabout my glasses right now?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Right Like get a life , yeah, and have enough
regulation, enough groundednessin who you are that you can
either engage and be like thanks, but I'm good, or just ignore
it.
You can hide it if you want to,so it doesn't show up.
(43:32):
And also just remember, at theend of the day, regardless of
what you do, that shit is not areflection on you or what you're
doing, or what you're talkingabout, or your worth or who you
are.
It's a reflection on the personwho wrote it.
And two, it is boosting yourstuff in the algorithm because
it's still engagement.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
It's still engagement , you guys, because when I got
my first troll since thispodcast, I was actually with my
daughter and I saw some put somejust bitchy, stupid comment.
I don't remember what it was,but I actually did get a little
excited.
I said I was like someone'sbeing an asshole.
I was like this is good, right.
I was looking at my daughterlike this is good, right.
(44:13):
Like I kind of liked it for asecond and then I was like but
here's my thought the minute youengage, that's what they're
waiting for.
Who's going to engage?
So I can get back and forthwith this, so I just don't even
bother to engage.
Right, I didn't engage.
I think I literally just did alaughing emoji.
It's like well, I'm actuallyphysically laughing about this,
(44:36):
so I'm just going to put alaughing emoji.
They can take it however theywant to At this point now,
sometimes I will just click thathide button, like you said, and
then I don't think about itagain.
I don't ruminate on that commentor the fact that I hit it, but
I figure that person's alreadymoved on to 10 other stupid
comments.
They're not checking back toeven care if I hit it or not,
right?
But if I engage.
(44:57):
Oh, they're going to be on it.
They're going to get notifiedthat I said something back.
Now they're going to say thatthat's the drama.
You guys, that's where I stayaway from.
I just move on with my life.
Yeah, but if you can't doublecheck if social media is even
necessary for you, it is too.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I want to add on If it is you're like, I really want
to be on it.
That's where my people are.
It's a great tool.
Build up the boundaries, writeyourself a list of like this is
how I'm using Facebook and thisis how I'm not, and put in some
kind of accountability, whetherthat means, if you can, if
(45:34):
you're interested, hiring a VAto do that stuff for you,
automating it, like you said,scheduling out so that you're
not monitoring it, putting ablock on your calendar that says
Fridays at 11 am, when I'm in areally good mood and everything
is going well because I have aclear schedule, and blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
I'm going to check my insightsfor the week.
(45:54):
If it is not Friday from 11 to11.25, I do not check my
insights period.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
And then Because it doesn't matter Nothing you can
do about your insights right now.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Anyway, Like, just, and get an accountability buddy
Okay, really, and have someonewho's actually going to hold you
accountable and not just belike oh, you should try better
next week, but a Someone's goingto call you on and not just be
like, oh, you should try betternext week.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
But a Someone's going to call you on your shit, right
, okay, get off.
Stop.
Yeah, get off of there.
Why are you actually havingconversations with these idiots?
Like no, put the phone down.
You need someone who can beokay.
So we need an accountabilitypartner who can keep it real,
and that doesn't have to be abusiness partner.
That can just be someone whokeeps it real with you and your
(46:45):
family.
They can have nothing to dowith your business and just kind
of keep you in your body andcentered and like nope, you're
not doing that today.
Okay, no, I love that.
Okay.
Social media is just sucks theenergy out of our lives as
business owners, doesn't it?
And a lot of times withoutenough payoff.
I really don't think you needto do all of them either, do we?
(47:08):
Not at all I feel like our handsare full if we just focused on
one to two.
I don't think we need to keepup on all of the TikToks and
every new thing that's comingout.
I'm hoping we turn a cornerhere in 2025 and start going
back to in real life.
You know how we've lost the IRL.
We got to get back to actuallyIRLing because, I don't know, I
(47:31):
think it's going to just I thinkabout all these kids that are
growing up without communicationskills.
I don't know, and that's justme probably sounding real old
right now, but I agree with youthough, damn kids, oh my God.
Yes, okay, all right.
So that's social media.
We got a social media tangent,you guys, because I think it's a
big part of business, thoughthese days and I think even as a
(47:53):
middle-aged woman we reallydebate.
Do I want to do all that, andwe might even second guess doing
our whole business plan basedon the drama of things like that
.
So, no, we don't have to dothat.
I will say I love your about mesection on your website.
Okay, you've got a whole page,because you do talk about your
core beliefs and what you think,and you basically put it out
(48:16):
there.
So I want to ask you if this iswhat we should all be doing
putting out there our authenticselves, what we believe, what we
think.
Do we match up?
And if we don't, that's okay.
Keep moving, don't?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
even call me then?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
No, I mean, is this kind of part of coming into your
own with this business thingtoo, and staying on the right
path, aligning with our soul'spurpose, as we are not meant for
everyone.
Whatever, whether it's aservice or a product or whatever
you're doing for your business,you can't provide that for
everyone anyway.
No, and we can have lots ofpeople in the same industry
(48:52):
because there's a lot ofproviders needed for things, so
that's okay.
Do you think that that'simportant for us as we're
setting up our websites, aswe're sending back and forth
emails, doing those freeconsultation calls, whatever
you're doing to gain businesspartners, clients?
Again back to the oldauthenticity, is that important?
(49:16):
Because you guys check out herwebsite, because she does lay
out like she's a work inprogress, she's ever evolving,
she's just honest about, Ibelieve, this, this and this,
and basically, if that doesn'tseem like someone you want to
work with, it's okay, bye, it'sokay, it's okay.
So would you suggest we headthat direction more with our
(49:37):
businesses?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Absolutely, I think, one, regardless of what you do,
if it's service-based,product-based, high cost, low
cost you're a personal brand.
What people are buying might bepackaged in a specific service
that you offer, but they'rebuying into you and they want to
(50:00):
actually know who you are andbelieve in who you are.
There's this huge trend that'sbeen going on for, I'd say,
probably solidly seven to ninemonths in the social media space
.
That is basically just likeprove yourself as an authority,
take out all the heart.
People don't care about who youare, they just care about how
you can serve them.
Yes, we want to know.
(50:23):
If I I'm gonna work with you,Jen, how are you gonna help me?
If I'm gonna work withso-and-so, how are they gonna
help me, Because otherwise wedon't wanna invest our time and
money?
But also, do I like you?
Do I want to allow you in myspace?
I'm a lot.
(50:44):
I am well aware of the fact thatI am a very you either tend to
like me or you tend to reallynot.
I'm not necessarily a soft andfuzzy person.
I want people to know thatupfront, Like what are you
getting when you work with me?
You're going to get a ton ofdog barking in the background on
some calls.
You're going to get a lot of mecackling, laughing at you or
laughing with you and a lot ofswearing, but we're also going
(51:06):
to get a lot of shit done andit's going to be a good time and
I'm going to be the cheerleaderthat never stops.
Some people don't want that, butit's important that we show up
authentically in so many ways.
One, because it helps us againtune back into that intuition
because we're owning more of whowe are personally and out into
(51:27):
the world.
It helps us from a businessowner perspective of there are
certain people I do not want towork with.
I need an alignment in valuesto want to actually cheerlead
for you and support you.
Some people they don't reallycare and that's fine.
But it helps us attract in thepeople that we're going to work
(51:49):
really really well with, whilealso repelling the people that
are not going to get greatresults or not going to love the
experience and that are goingto be a drain on our energy.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, cause we're going to protect our energy.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
That's part of this, you don't have to go as far as I
do and have a whole page aboutthe things that I believe in and
my core values and this stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I like it though.
I like it, cause I'm astraightforward person too, like
Peter on the bush If we aren'ta match, let's just figure that
out now, right, yeah, tell me alittle bit about yourself,
because it's also us vibechecking each other.
I do a lot of vibe checking.
If my intuition, my gut, sayswe aren't a match, we aren't a
(52:32):
match, that's it.
I just go with it now, and Ididn't used to, but I think
that's a big part of thisjourney, though is, all of a
sudden, just like you said, howdoes this feel in my body?
How does this person feel in mybody?
Could I make money off thisperson?
Yes, I could make money offthis person, but is it going to
be enjoyable for me?
Right and aligned?
No.
And would you say?
Sometimes we take on a bunch ofclients that don't match up, so
(52:55):
you're paying the bills butyou're miserable.
And now you don't have room forthe right clients.
You're too busy.
You're too busy for the rightones.
Is that what you think, chrissy?
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
And I think it goes in cycles.
When I was starting out I usedto think that it was just a if
you're new to business you'regoing to fall victim to that.
But I think it just runs incycles because we're humans, as
much as we want to live inabundance and feel that
frequency of abundance andoverflow, sometimes our systems
(53:28):
are just like lack, scarcity,lack, fear, scarcity and all
this stuff is bubbling up.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Like if I don't book this, whatif no one else calls to book?
What do I do?
I've got bills to pay.
The bills will get paid.
You have to have faith they'regoing to get paid.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I don't know.
Yes, yes, have the faith.
Have the faith in if you have ahigher power.
Blah God, universe whateverintuition.
And have the faith in yourselfthat you're going to get it done
.
Like, maybe, maybe shit hitsthe fan and this month you don't
(54:05):
pay more than the minimum onsomething or you use the 10-day
grace period in order to sendthat check-in.
That's okay.
That doesn't mean you're afailure.
It gives you an opportunity,though from a purely business
perspective, to go back and belike, okay, where did that
client find me?
Business perspective.
To go back and be like, okay,where did that client find me,
(54:30):
why did they reach out to me?
Can I share more of myauthentic self?
Did I water down messaging onthat directory listing for
photography and say like, oh,I'd love to help happy families
create magic memories?
Did you say that or did youshow up and you're like I want
to help really cool peoplephotograph the most fun day of
their lives while they're doingcrazy shit with their big
families Right, totallydifferent vibes.
(54:53):
It gives you an opportunity togo in, look at where they found
you or how they connected withyou, and actually take a look
and be like God, that's not whoI am.
That's some basic photographer,that's some basic copywriter.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
So, whatever business you're in, throw yourself out
there authentically, say, yeah,this is where it's gone.
See, I started with yourwebsite how I liked it and this
is how we put ourselves out intothe world, because even my
trailer for this podcast says ifyou've had a perfect life, if
you blah, blah, blah, thispodcast is not for you.
Like there's one out there,you'll find it.
I hope you go find the perfectpodcast.
(55:31):
You guys, it's fine to move onfrom mine.
I'm perfectly fine with it.
I'm not looking for the masses.
I don't need to go viral.
I need to find the people thatneed to hear this.
What I'm saying Stay authentic.
Everybody and I think usmidlifers, especially us midlife
women, we're set up well forthis.
Like I said, we've been througha lot as Gen Xers here and so
we are prepared for all of this,even prepared for stupid social
(55:58):
media people Like, okay, justhide it and move on.
You guys, just hide the comment.
Don't, don't even engage,unless you so feel, like it's so
bad that you need to engage.
I don't know, I think don'tengage.
That's my hot take, all right.
So I want to quickly talk aboutthe different things you offer
so that everybody knows, becauseif you're listening to Chrissy
right now and she sounds cool,I've got a business.
I definitely need help.
(56:19):
I don't feel aligned.
I got to line up better.
I want to make more money andbe happy.
Doesn't that sound like alovely plan?
You guys, be happy and make alot of money, yep, so the things
that you offer?
Okay, so you do one-on-one.
Correct?
There's a certain program ifthey go on the website, or do
you just click on one-on-onementoring?
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Just one-on-one mentoring.
My primary thing is a smallgroup mastermind.
That has more details on mywebsite, but my one-on-ones just
basically book a call with meand let's chat.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
The revenue acceleration mastermind?
Yes, so is that?
Where you're getting togetherin smaller group settings,
that's nice to have a supportgroup with it too, though.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
It's basically the same as one-on-one coaching.
Right, you get a ton of.
I'm not about this wholeproximity bullshit.
You don't just get betterbecause you're in my space.
I think that's nonsense.
We're going to work one-on-onetogether within this space of
other women who are doing thesame thing, going through
similar struggles.
I'm good at a lot of things,you're good at a lot of things,
(57:25):
the other women in the group aregood at a lot of things, so
it's never a hierarchical likeoh, I'm the coach, you have to
listen to me.
It is that let's get feedbackfrom the group, let's celebrate
each other, let's normalize thefact that some days just suck
this is fun and I love it andsome days it sucks, being the
one responsible for all thethings.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yep.
And it's that space and justhave other people saying, yeah,
you're right, it's second to methis week too, it's second for
all of us, and within that groupthere may be someone who's
already walked the path you'rejust starting down and can help
you not have so much troubledown that little path.
Yeah, okay, I love that.
And acceleration, the revenueacceleration mastermind.
(58:06):
Is this the one where you talkabout strategic visibility,
conversion mastery and nextlevel revenue?
Okay, guys, that's the tip ofthe iceberg on that guy.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
But it's available.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Go on the website and then do you still do this
intuitive arts class.
What is that?
Is that something you still door not anymore?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
Not as much anymore, so I still offer one-on-one
sessions.
I used to offer classes, but Idon't do them anymore.
But it's partly expressive arts, which is a therapeutic
modality.
I am not certified in it, whichis why it's my own brand, but
it's using somatic work, it'susing nervous system regulation.
(58:43):
It's using drawing and paintingand movement and vocalization
Sometimes that's screaming intoa pillow, sometimes that's just
like yawning or chanting tobreak through the stagnant
energy that's holding you downthrough music, through movement,
through all of that, and it'sjust a little bit of my own
intuition and magic that comesthrough to help facilitate.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Perfect and that.
And if you're just signing upfor one-on-one in general, if
this is something you feel ledto help someone with, if this is
a block for them, you're justgoing to introduce it and do it
you don't have to specificallysign up for that.
It's just part of theone-on-one.
If you want it to be Exactly, Igot it Okay, Cause you said
you're magic.
What do you mean by magic girl?
Are you?
Do you channel?
(59:26):
Are you intuitive?
Are you?
What are we saying when you saymagic?
Speaker 2 (59:31):
That's a really excellent question.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
So I am intuitive, so magic intrigues me.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
I am intuitive.
I am actually working withsomeone right now because some
very cool psychic stuff isstarting to come online with
mediumship and channelingthrough.
I don't really know 100% whatit looks like.
It's really just been poppingoff over the past year or so,
but it's a lot of.
My strongest Claire is ClaireCognizance, so I will just have
downloads come and they sitright here in my brain, right
here, an inch back, and it'salso just asking the right
(01:00:11):
questions.
It's all the lived experiences.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Same.
I have Claire Cognizance goingon.
Yeah, that's one of my favestoo, just that knowing, and it
just comes in, which makes youan excellent business coach too,
then, because you're probablygetting a little download and
channeling advice from theperson's spirit, guides and
stuff.
If they're so into that,whether they're into it or not,
you're going to get it.
But they're there, guys,whether you're believing it or
(01:00:36):
not, they're so into that,whether they're into it or not,
you're going to get it.
But they're there, guys,whether you're believing it or
not, they're still there.
Okay, so you're heading down ajourney which it's 2025.
Big things are going on thisyear, chrissy, so this may be
your year to totally open thatold crown and really get to move
it on this channeling.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I don't know what it's going to look like, but I
feel like this year, like yousaid, is going to be a year
where I'm at the end of it.
I'm just like not what Iexpected it to be, but I kind of
dig it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I don't think 2025 is going to be anything.
Any of us expect it to be.
No, it's February and it'salready been a little bit of a
wild ride, and I don't thinkit's stopping anytime soon.
Okay, do you have?
What other services?
Is there anything I'mforgetting that you're offering?
Is there anything new comingfor you other than your
channeling?
What do you got in the businessworld coming?
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
So those are the main things the revenue acceleration
, mastermind, one-on-one stuffand then, long-term, the vision
is to create the coachingbusinesses continuing to grow,
et cetera, and also a full-blownconsultancy.
So it won't just be me, it'llbe legal finance, accounting, a
team that can come in and coveranything we want.
(01:01:45):
So this year I'm actuallystarting to do the behind the
scenes work for the consultancyof what that looks like for
bigger businesses who want tobring heart and soul and
authenticity into more of thatInto their actual business?
Yeah, Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Like big corporations or middle-sized, all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Starting with like big small business and then
medium-sized businesses and thenprobably in a couple of years,
heading into the bigcorporations, to be like we're
here to shake shit up and makethe whole thing better.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
But this is perfect timing for that whole business,
because listen, what vibes arechanging, like we're, we're,
we're calling 5d here on goodold earth, and so this is going
to be the perfect time to startintroducing many people's
businesses.
Yeah, cause we're changing itall up.
We got it.
We have to look at us.
We're a hot mess.
We got some changes to make,you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, it's time for a good old burn it down and start
over.
Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Burn it down and start fresh with everything,
Like everything, Okay, no, I'mon board.
If you're listening right nowand you've got a business going,
but it's maybe not goingexactly how you thought it would
, right Whether you're makinggood money but you don't feel
aligned with your true path.
(01:02:57):
Or you feel like you're alignedwith your true path, but how do
I make this?
Make money now to pay the billsCould be either way.
For you guys out there, thissounds like you probably need a
coach.
I say to people all the timeyou can do things alone.
Of course we can, but it's ahell of a lot easier and less
painful if we find supportgroups and support coaches for
these things.
And if you're listening to thispodcast, you're probably a bit
(01:03:19):
spiritual.
You got a little woo woo goingon, and so a holistic business
coach is going to work so muchbetter for you than just a white
collar business coach who'sonly thinking numbers.
We need more than that now.
So this is going to be perfect.
So find a holistic businesscoach and get a hold of Chrissy
here and see if that works out.
Do you have?
Do you do this whole?
(01:03:39):
Hey, let's talk for 10 minutesand see if we're a good match or
not.
So much, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I love conversations.
I mean, I'm a chatter, ifthat's been unclear at any point
.
So, send me an email.
You can send me a DM onInstagram Like I am almost going
to guarantee a voice note back,but absolutely consult calls
20-minute sessions, 45 minutes.
Before you invest your time andenergy in me, I want to make
(01:04:08):
sure that you like me.
I want to make sure that I canactually help you in the way
that you need, because maybe I'mnot the right holistic business
coach?
Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
No, because, again, you don't want to waste your
time with Christy and Christydoesn't want to waste her time
with you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I'm sorry, but that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Let's just have a conversation, and there's no
prep for that conversation,necessarily.
Or if they're sending you a DMor whatever, they don't need to
do a long.
Here's every intricate part ofmy business.
No, just here's where I'm at,here, here's where I'm at,
here's my name.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Here's my contact info, and then just have a quick
conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
We're humans, we're just going to chat, click
through, figure out her coachingstyle.
Listen, I got questions all daylong because I'm a talker too,
but you guys listening havethings to do today too.
We all have things to do today,so I'm going to have to call it
.
We'll have to call it, chrissy,but come back when you have
more God, especially once we getinto all this channeling.
We got to figure out what'sgoing on here.
Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
I will keep you updated.
Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
If you need to practice, you just zoom me or
whatever, we'll practice you can, you can, yeah, tap into me.
See what you got.
I'm pretty open.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
You can channel for me.
I've had all kinds of peoplechannel for me that never have
before.
I had a guest channel thePleiadians for me.
Oh, that's so cool, okay, andI've never had done where.
It was the coolest thing ever.
So no, I'm open to whateveryour channel and you can channel
for me.
Just let me know.
We've learned so much.
I've learned so much.
I hope you guys have too.
(01:05:32):
All listening, I've had a goodtime, so hopefully you guys have
it too.
And so hook up with Chrissy.
If you feel like this alignsfor you right, if this resonates
for you even just hearing hervoice is like she seems like
she'd be a good match for meThen you reach out right.
If she doesn't move on, listento another episode, it's fine.
(01:05:52):
You'll find someone.
But if you feel aligned, yougot to do it today.
Don't put it off.
Maybe I'll get ahold of Chrissy, you know, next October, no,
just do it now.
You're not going to remember.
No, we don't know day to daywhat's going to happen in our
lives.
So just I say you do it nowbecause we're midlifers too and
we forget shit.
So just jot it down and hook upwith Chrissy.
(01:06:17):
Chrissy, thank you so much.
Do you have any other partingwords, Anything else you want us
to know?
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
One.
I just want to say thank you.
This has been so much fun.
I appreciate you having me hereand just keep going.
Believe in yourself.
If there is something tuggingon your heart, whether it seems
ridiculous or not, go for it,have fun.
The whole point of being human,in my opinion, is to experience
it and to enjoy the process.
(01:06:43):
So play, have fun, create,enjoy who and how you get to be.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yep, the first thing might not work, but the 15th
thing, might you just keep going?
Yeah, it's all part of the thepath.
Sometimes you're not at the end.
When you think you're at theend, there's more.
You just keep going.
You just keep going until well,until you're dead guys right,
that's that's life.
We're halfway to dead or more.
I'm pretty sure I'm more, butthat doesn't matter.
(01:07:12):
I don't care if I have a yearleft, a day left left, 30 years
left, I don't know.
They'll just do it.
You just keep going.
That's what we're here for.
That's what we agreed to, thiscrazy thing called being human.
That's why we're here.
Thanks, chrissy, we'll talk toyou again soon.
Thank you so much.
Listen, I know your time isvaluable and right now I'm
feeling super grateful andtotally humbled that you chose
(01:07:35):
to hang out with me today.
If this podcast resonates withyou, could you do me a solid and
hit that subscribe or followbutton?
That's going to help you outbecause you're never going to
miss an episode, and it helps meout because you're never going
to miss an episode.
And if you have like 30 secondsmore, could you leave a
five-star rating and maybe leavea kick-ass review.
(01:07:55):
Thank you so much and I can'twait to continue our journey on
the next episode.
Oh, and I can't forget the fineprint.
You know the legal jargon.
This podcast is presentedsolely for educational and
entertainment purposes.
We're just two friends on thisjourney together and this
podcast is not intended as asubstitute for the advice of a
(01:08:17):
physician, professional coach,psychotherapist or any other
qualified professional, you getit.
See you next time.
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