April 28, 2025 • 20 mins
Food dyes derived from petroleum offer zero health benefits while potentially causing serious health problems and driving poor food choices. The government is finally taking action against these substances, but true change requires both regulatory efforts and educated consumers.
• RFK Jr. is targeting eight petroleum-based food dyes to be removed from foods by next year
• Food dyes like Red 40 and Yellow 5 serve no nutritional purpose and exist purely for visual appeal
• Double-blind studies have linked Red 40 to increased hyperactivity in children with ADHD
• Yellow 40 has been connected to a 2-3% increase in asthmatic events
• Animal studies show high concentrations of dyes may increase tumor development tenfold
• Natural alternatives like beet and carrot colorings offer some nutritional benefits with none of the risks
• The regulatory process to remove harmful ingredients can take 5-10 years due to industry pushback
• Trans fats were banned six years ago but still appear in many foods through labeling loopholes
• European food standards are significantly higher than American standards
• Companies often market unhealthy, artificially colored products specifically to children
• Many common food additives banned in the EU remain legal in the US
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to Health and Fitness Redefined.
I'm your host, anthony Amen.
It's another great episode forall of you today.
Yes, another solo episode.
I know you're all super excitedfor this.
No guests?
No, I'm just kidding.
The guests have been absolutelyamazing.
Thank you, guys.
I look a little run down andtired.
We just launched our brand newlocation over in Mount Sinai
(00:33):
Premium personal training studio.
Everything is top of the line.
We had over 200 people attend agrand opening event and it was
a lot of planning.
It was a lot of fun.
So thank you all those thatattended and super excited to
see where the where the futuretakes us down this route.
So this is going to be a littlebit of a bragging episode and
then it's going to turn into alittle bit of the science, like
(00:55):
you guys all love.
So first let's start with thebragging side of it.
You're going to go all the wayback.
First week of january, I did afive predictions episode and my
my number one prediction wasthat RFK is going to come up and
put a stab into the foodindustry specifically related to
dyes, and that has officiallyhappened.
I'm sure all of you have seenthe news stating that he's
(01:16):
trying to really specificallytarget eight separate dyes those
are petroleum-based dyes and toget them out of the foods by
the end of next year.
So very interesting.
This is all finally standingaround.
First prediction has come trueboom, super excited about that
as well.
So let's talk a little moreabout dyes, what they are.
Should we care?
And this is a bunch of justheebie-jeebie, etc.
(01:40):
Etc.
Right, we came for the facts,not just to hear specific things
.
So first let's talk about dyes.
What are we talking about?
We're talking about specificones like Red 40, yellow 5,
yellow 6, or Punto U4R thosespecific dyes.
If you look at food labels, onthe back it usually says other
(02:01):
ingredients and it's one of thelast two ingredients.
For those that don't know aningredients label on a food
package, the last thing listedit's by weight.
So the things that are theheaviest are going to be further
up, like usually water is a bigone.
That's the first one and thenall the way down the line.
So a dye is not going to have alot of weight in it, so it's
(02:28):
usually going to be the last orsecond to last thing inside
ingredients.
What does this offer us?
What would it dies?
Are the benefits on none,there's zero, there's.
There's no like positive healthbenefits whatsoever.
They're just derived frompetroleum or crude oil.
It's a byproduct of it andthey're specifically designed to
make colors appear more vibrant, right?
So when you're looking atspecific foods, you're like oh,
(02:50):
how does that get so red?
It says cherry.
It's not because it's cherry inthe food, it's because it's a
petroleum-based food dye thatmakes it look so cool, right?
Marketers use this all the time, because if I take a naturally
occurring cherry flavor, throwit in there and then I give you
the red food dye, the naturalone's going to look really dull
(03:11):
and the dye is going to lookreally sharp, and you're always
going to be drawn to that sharp,glossy look, so you're more
likely to buy it.
Therefore, that's why it's inspecific foods that need to
target dye-based things.
Or if you look at sugar products, like specifically like candies
, like, are all white?
Right, they're sugar.
They're white or brown.
That's how sugar comes.
So, in order to make themappear different from each other
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, they're all dyed.
So this is how I can say onecandy is different, rather.
Otherwise you're going to take apacket like Skittles.
Or I don't want the M&MsM'sBecause the M&M's have chocolate
in it, but you know what I mean.
Like the coating of an M&MIgnoring the chocolate on the
inside.
They're both going to be white.
They're both just sugar in acircle.
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And why are you going to careabout one over the other If
they're both the same color?
So that's the idea behind them,that's why they're a thing
Anyway.
So should we care about?
So that's the idea behind them,that's why they're a thing
Anyway.
So should we care about thecancellation?
Should we care about eatingfood dyes?
And this is kind of where itplays a tricky role, right?
(04:16):
So there's been a couple ofstudies that have been done on
this, specifically with RED40.
Red40 has been studied a lot forhyperactivity, those that do
have ADD ADHD.
There was a double-blind studydone back in 2007 that has shown
upticks in hyperactivity.
(04:37):
So specifically those with thatsubset are going to have higher
amounts of hyperactivity.
And then you add that into kidsbeing on iPads, not getting
their energy out, all theseother fun things that are
happening, and it's just goingto.
This is why ADHD levels haveskyrocketed, not that they might
be true ADHD levels, but thosekids that are experiencing and
(05:01):
having way more hyperactivity,and red 40 is definitely one of
the ones that have been shownout.
The other one that's beenspecifically targeted is yellow
40.
Yellow 40 had a double blindstudy for asthma and it has been
shown to have a two to threepercent reaction towards having
higher asthmatic events, which,which is very interesting, I
(05:23):
didn't know that prior to that.
So specific that one food dye Isaid.
Besides that there has been somestudies done on rodents, like
there are not many on humans,but a lot on rats, and there was
a rat study that found therewas a 10 times greater chance of
having tumors, but only atsuper high concentrations.
(05:45):
And this is specifically withthose dyes I mentioned before.
If you have too many of them,you do have a higher chance of
getting tumors.
But this was a rat study, thiswasn't a human study.
And they say like super high,like you got to have candy all
day, every day, and then you canincrease your odds.
My point on this if you'rehaving things that are filled
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with dyes all day anyway, yourhealth choices probably aren't
the best.
So is it really the dye or isit really your food choices,
right?
So who?
I don't really know.
There needs to be more study,research done on this in general
.
Now what's going to happen?
Right, so we have anunderstanding of what the
science shows us.
(06:29):
We have an understanding forthe bandits.
In fact, you see it's a longways out now.
First my take and then how theprocess is going to happen,
because what you're hearing, thenews, isn't necessarily true.
So let's talk about my take.
I want to have the same take onthis as I do with a lot of
other things, for example, likemicroplastics or vaccines.
(06:51):
I don't think we canspecifically show, and which is
why it's hard to prove thesethings in a lab a plus B equals
C.
So so if I have this red 40 andI give it a high doses, it
causes hyperactivity and ADD ornothing.
Maybe it costs nothing.
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And then I test another dye,this dye on its own.
Give it to this person, thesepeople.
Positive reaction, no.
But what if I took all of themand put it together and I
exposed someone over a lifetime40, 50 years Is it going to have
an adverse effect?
Take microplastics Ismicroplastics, small amount,
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going to affect your body?
No, if you have it over yourentire lifetime and that
incrementally increases, is thatgoing to cause issues?
Yes, different story.
Take vaccines, which is alwaysmy argument for it.
I don't think, specificallyrelated to vaccines, that one
vaccine is going to showsomething negative.
(07:54):
As an example, mmr it causesautism.
I don't believe that from awhole lot of all.
But if I give someone, fromwhat a normal kid gets at, like
eight to 10 vaccines and then Ibump it down to 35 vaccines, is
it the amount that they'regetting that's causing issues?
Maybe?
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Right, I'm gonna do anotherepisode on this because I think
it's so intriguing.
But going back to dyes, ifthere's one specific dye in a
controlled study cause somethingspecific, probably not.
Does all the dyes in alldifferent types of foods at all,
different concentrations withan overexposure of it to us,
(08:36):
cause issues?
Yes, even on the flip side ofthat.
Let's go back to the marketingexample I gave.
If I have two dye, two coloredthings that are red, one's 40,
one's like a beet flavored likebeet covered juice, the red 40,
even if it may not have anyspecific adverse effects, and
(08:57):
we're going to go buy this over,going at the one that's coated
in beets, the one that's coatedin beets actually has traces of
antioxidants on it and traces ofthe vitamins that are found in
beets and doesn't have all theseadverse effects, but because
that are found in beets anddoesn't have all these adverse
effects.
But because that red 41 looksprettier, and especially to kids
, I'm going to reach for thatone.
I'm going to go grab that one.
So we should stop somethingbefore it becomes a bigger
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problem.
Why take a gamble when we havealternatives?
Right?
The only reason is because itlooks pretty.
It doesn't offer anything extrabenefit besides that, and we
have alternatives such as beetflavored or carrot colored.
They look slightly lessprettier.
This is what we're talkingabout and this is why I don't
get to send people getting upset.
It's slightly less prettier, itoffers way more benefits and it
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definitely doesn't have maybethese big negative side effects
that maybe we don't know aboutbecause we really haven't
studied it.
So why go for the thing that'squestionable and definitely has
no positive side effects andinstead of going for the thing
that might have some positiveside effects, no negative side
effects, and just looks slightlymore dull?
And maybe kids will eat lesssugar, maybe they'll eat less
(10:10):
candies or all these processedfoods, that those stuff that has
all the dyes.
There's all the heavilyprocessed foods they shouldn't
be eating, and a lot greatersome anyway.
So maybe if we make those foodsduller, people would eat less
of them.
Therefore, they go fornaturally current, vibrant
things, like I always think ofbell peppers.
Like bell peppers are supervibrant when they first Eat less
of them.
Therefore, they go fornaturally current, vibrant
things, like I always think ofbell peppers.
(10:31):
Like bell peppers are supervibrant when they first come out
, like you have yellows, youhave greens, you have reds, you
got some purples now, right, sothey shine and like, if you get
kids attracted to that, asopposed to getting kids
attracted to Twizzlers Skittles,they're going to create
different habits, right.
And then maybe through this,this could be a workaround to go
(10:56):
after the childhood obesityepidemic that we're currently
experiencing, which, when we dida podcast episode on that about
four years ago, has now doubled.
So absolutely mind-blowing.
I'm all in for it.
Now, what's going to happen,right?
What's going to be the process?
It's a lot.
So first they have to submitfor an NPRM, which is just
(11:18):
basically submit to a managerand budget review.
It takes about three to sixmonths.
Then there's public comment for60 days, then there's review
and then there's a final rulethat takes anywhere from three
to nine months, and then there'sreview and then there's a final
rule that takes anywhere fromthree to nine months, and then
there's industry compliance,giving the places enough time to
get rid of it and maybe they goaway by 2027, 2028.
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Well, here's the issue Thingspeople aren't going to talk
about.
Let's still go to trans fat,which you've heard me talk about
many, many times for those thatwatch the show, but if you
don't, let's give a littlehistory lesson.
Trans fat was banned six yearsago.
It's still in foods.
Why?
Because companies keep saying Ineed more time.
I can't get complying to get itout.
It keeps my food more shelfstable and I can't get out.
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We know that's bad for you.
Trans fats horrible.
Processed trans partialhydrogenated oils atrocious.
And they're still mislabelingthings.
You look at peanut butter.
As I always say, you buy yourskippy, you buy your peter pan.
You know it says zero grams oftrans fat.
Look, there's anything that'snot in it, yeah.
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You look at the serving sizethey make it, so it's not in it.
Yeah, you look at the servingsize they make it, so it's 0.4
grams of trans fat, right.
And then they could say zerobecause under 0.5, just by
changing the serving size.
But you don't know unless youlook in the ingredients and then
you see partially hydrogenatedoils in the ingredients.
So you really have to know thatin order to figure out if I'm
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eating.
This thing is bad, it's.
It's crazy like in the us, whichI understand like you want to
give companies free will, letthem with the market demand, but
I think it's different when itcomes to our food and our water,
because these are things thatwe heavily rely on and 99 of
people can't benefit themselveson it, so therefore they have to
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go out and buy it and we're nottaught properly through our
education systems on it.
So most people just don't know,like what they're looking at,
what they're reading.
And I explain these things topeople and they're always like
wait, really, really like, yeah,people just don't know.
And you take something likethis that's been pushed out five
(13:30):
years.
So this diving might be pushedout of the five years and I
think the government, ifanything, should play a bigger
role in banning foods, like Ialways say, like acid, you don't
want acid foods.
Like right, you don't wantcocaine in your coca-cola, like
it used to be.
For those that don't know that.
So little things like that thegovernment does have to play a
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role to knock out of foods, andthe EU has way higher standards
of food ratings than we do.
Like you always.
Look at Heinz ketchup.
Heinz ketchup is 90 differentof what's listed in the EU and
what's here.
So the company is alreadymaking the healthier product
that has less ingredients, butthey're still marketing to
Americans the worst one becauseit's cheaper to make.
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It relies more on artificiallyprocessed things that are way
cheaper than a naturallyoccurring, like tomatoes, for
example, tomato paste.
And then, as a consumer, youjust need to know what to look
for and you need to know how toread a label just to find your
ketchup and it's annoying.
How are you supposed to knowthat?
It's so tough?
There's red diet and ketchup.
There's high fructose cornsyrup and ketchup.
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Like you need to go and lookand read a label to know what
the different type of ketchupyou're getting.
I just want to go to the storeand go buy ketchup.
I just like get so overwhelmedbecause I know so much.
I'm going to the store and I'mlooking at every single freaking
label and I'm reading it.
So I spend an hour just readinglabels, everything I pick up
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and I'm just getting frustratedbecause I'm like, screw it, I'm
not buying anything that has aprocess at all.
I just buy meat, I know we'regood, I don't worry about
anything injected into it, justraw meat.
Bum, dum, go home bye.
And I would like to enjoydifferent foods, but I just
don't want to sit there and readlabels every single freaking
time I go in because I'm worriedabout what's in it and I have
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to keep my own health andstandards.
Like maybe, maybe I want sorbet.
Right, I love sorbet's great.
I said people like oh sure,yeah, it's good once in a while,
just a little tiny couplespoonfuls.
But I don't want to eat sorbetthat has yellow 40 in it.
I don't want to eat it to bethat it's high fructose corn
syrup in it.
I don't want to eat sorbet thatthere's so many ingredients I
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can't even pronounce that I Ijust want sorbet that's water,
fruit and ice.
Is that too hard to ask?
Is that too hard to ask?
That's the question.
Can our food supply just getsimpler?
Can we make everything simpleagain?
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I think that's the real answer.
Make America healthy, make itsimple again.
Make food simple.
Make it easy to understand.
Make it easy for the averageconsumer to know what they're
going to look like to understand.
Make it easy for the averageconsumer to know what they're
going to look like and not toworry that, hey, dives might be
better for you, but now we haveto convince everyone to stop
buying it because if you do thedigital process effort to get it
out of the out of the food,it's going to take at least two
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years, if not seven, eight, nine, ten years to get out of foods.
The only way to truly get outof the food is to educate
everyone on it, which is whatwe're doing now.
And people stop buying it.
Then companies go.
I guess there's no demand forit and they slowly start
switching over.
But it's still going to bemarketed.
Kids don't know.
You see all these cerealcommercials and you look at the
cereal.
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It's vibrant.
There's so much shit in cereal.
Cereal is one of the worstthings you can eat and it's
marketed to kids that it'shealthy and convinced a whole
generation that's my parents'generation that it's one of the
healthiest things to eat.
Have some cereal and milk, gotmilk?
Add it to your cereal in themorning.
Right, remember thosecommercials Over and over and
(17:03):
over again.
And it's horrible.
We shouldn't have been doingthat Like at all.
And we were just taught eggswere bad.
Meanwhile eggs are one of thehealthiest things you can eat.
I don't.
And we were just taught eggswere bad.
Meanwhile eggs are one of thehealthiest things you can eat.
I eat eight eggs every singlemorning.
It's super healthy.
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We got to start thinking eatreal foods, eat things that
aren't processed and stopmarketing to kids unhealthy shit
, because that's how they knowthey make the money, and I think
there's a line there which it'ssomething we can definitely
talk about.
I would love to hear youropinions on this, if you guys
have any comments about what youthink the way marketing should
be done to kids.
Should we allow diets and food?
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Should we allow diets?
How much of a role shouldgovernment play?
How much more should we rely onfree market?
This is a tough topic, right,because it's really a line there
somewhere, but it's really grayarea and all mixed between.
So what's next?
I think RFK is going to comeout and he's going to talk about
banning some other things likethank God, like sodium benzenate
(18:06):
, which is a known carcinogen,is still in foods.
It's banned in the entirety ofthe EU, but it's a known
carcinogen because they say onlywhen it's in heat, so great you
lived in 40 of the 50 stateswhere it's warm, or it's in a
truck that doesn't have AC, it'sa big stomach carcinogen then I
(18:26):
don't know, good luck.
Or potassium bromide, which hasbeen linked to cancer and
rodents, yet again banned in theEU.
Or BHA, bht, which are possibleendocrine distributors and the
FDA is currently reviewing them,which is good to hear.
And then propoparaben, whichalso has endocrine consoles, and
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yet again banned in the EU.
So anyway, guys, that's all Ihave for you today, but please
let me know what do you think?
Do you think that DAI should bebanned?
How big of a role do you thinkthe government should play when
it comes to food?
How much research should be putinto the kind of foods we're
(19:08):
eating?
How much should the role of thegovernment play in the
marketing side of the foodindustry?
Right, because that's anotherwhole topic.
Like what does that look likeeach way?
But thank you, guys for joiningus in this week's episode of
Health and Fitness Redefined.
Great job doing a solo episode.
Really appreciate you alllistening to this today.
Don't forget, hit, subscribe,share.
It's only the way this grows.
(19:28):
Give other people's opinions.
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Outro Music.
Hello and welcome to Health and Fitness Redefined.
I'm your host, anthony Amen.
It's another great episode forall of you today.
Yes, another solo episode.
I know you're all super excitedfor this.
No guests?
No, I'm just kidding.
The guests have been absolutelyamazing.
Thank you, guys.
I look a little run down andtired.
We just launched our brand newlocation over in Mount Sinai
(00:33):
Premium personal training studio.
Everything is top of the line.
We had over 200 people attend agrand opening event and it was
a lot of planning.
It was a lot of fun.
So thank you all those thatattended and super excited to
see where the where the futuretakes us down this route.
So this is going to be a littlebit of a bragging episode and
then it's going to turn into alittle bit of the science, like
(00:55):
you guys all love.
So first let's start with thebragging side of it.
You're going to go all the wayback.
First week of january, I did afive predictions episode and my
my number one prediction wasthat RFK is going to come up and
put a stab into the foodindustry specifically related to
dyes, and that has officiallyhappened.
I'm sure all of you have seenthe news stating that he's
(01:16):
trying to really specificallytarget eight separate dyes those
are petroleum-based dyes and toget them out of the foods by
the end of next year.
So very interesting.
This is all finally standingaround.
First prediction has come trueboom, super excited about that
as well.
So let's talk a little moreabout dyes, what they are.
Should we care?
And this is a bunch of justheebie-jeebie, etc.
(01:40):
Etc.
Right, we came for the facts,not just to hear specific things
.
So first let's talk about dyes.
What are we talking about?
We're talking about specificones like Red 40, yellow 5,
yellow 6, or Punto U4R thosespecific dyes.
If you look at food labels, onthe back it usually says other
(02:01):
ingredients and it's one of thelast two ingredients.
For those that don't know aningredients label on a food
package, the last thing listedit's by weight.
So the things that are theheaviest are going to be further
up, like usually water is a bigone.
That's the first one and thenall the way down the line.
So a dye is not going to have alot of weight in it, so it's
(02:28):
usually going to be the last orsecond to last thing inside
ingredients.
What does this offer us?
What would it dies?
Are the benefits on none,there's zero, there's.
There's no like positive healthbenefits whatsoever.
They're just derived frompetroleum or crude oil.
It's a byproduct of it andthey're specifically designed to
make colors appear more vibrant, right?
So when you're looking atspecific foods, you're like oh,
(02:50):
how does that get so red?
It says cherry.
It's not because it's cherry inthe food, it's because it's a
petroleum-based food dye thatmakes it look so cool, right?
Marketers use this all the time, because if I take a naturally
occurring cherry flavor, throwit in there and then I give you
the red food dye, the naturalone's going to look really dull
(03:11):
and the dye is going to lookreally sharp, and you're always
going to be drawn to that sharp,glossy look, so you're more
likely to buy it.
Therefore, that's why it's inspecific foods that need to
target dye-based things.
Or if you look at sugar products, like specifically like candies
, like, are all white?
Right, they're sugar.
They're white or brown.
That's how sugar comes.
So, in order to make themappear different from each other
(03:33):
, they're all dyed.
So this is how I can say onecandy is different, rather.
Otherwise you're going to take apacket like Skittles.
Or I don't want the M&MsM'sBecause the M&M's have chocolate
in it, but you know what I mean.
Like the coating of an M&MIgnoring the chocolate on the
inside.
They're both going to be white.
They're both just sugar in acircle.
(03:55):
And why are you going to careabout one over the other If
they're both the same color?
So that's the idea behind them,that's why they're a thing
Anyway.
So should we care about?
So that's the idea behind them,that's why they're a thing
Anyway.
So should we care about thecancellation?
Should we care about eatingfood dyes?
And this is kind of where itplays a tricky role, right?
(04:16):
So there's been a couple ofstudies that have been done on
this, specifically with RED40.
Red40 has been studied a lot forhyperactivity, those that do
have ADD ADHD.
There was a double-blind studydone back in 2007 that has shown
upticks in hyperactivity.
(04:37):
So specifically those with thatsubset are going to have higher
amounts of hyperactivity.
And then you add that into kidsbeing on iPads, not getting
their energy out, all theseother fun things that are
happening, and it's just goingto.
This is why ADHD levels haveskyrocketed, not that they might
be true ADHD levels, but thosekids that are experiencing and
(05:01):
having way more hyperactivity,and red 40 is definitely one of
the ones that have been shownout.
The other one that's beenspecifically targeted is yellow
40.
Yellow 40 had a double blindstudy for asthma and it has been
shown to have a two to threepercent reaction towards having
higher asthmatic events, which,which is very interesting, I
(05:23):
didn't know that prior to that.
So specific that one food dye Isaid.
Besides that there has been somestudies done on rodents, like
there are not many on humans,but a lot on rats, and there was
a rat study that found therewas a 10 times greater chance of
having tumors, but only atsuper high concentrations.
(05:45):
And this is specifically withthose dyes I mentioned before.
If you have too many of them,you do have a higher chance of
getting tumors.
But this was a rat study, thiswasn't a human study.
And they say like super high,like you got to have candy all
day, every day, and then you canincrease your odds.
My point on this if you'rehaving things that are filled
(06:09):
with dyes all day anyway, yourhealth choices probably aren't
the best.
So is it really the dye or isit really your food choices,
right?
So who?
I don't really know.
There needs to be more study,research done on this in general
.
Now what's going to happen?
Right, so we have anunderstanding of what the
science shows us.
(06:29):
We have an understanding forthe bandits.
In fact, you see it's a longways out now.
First my take and then how theprocess is going to happen,
because what you're hearing, thenews, isn't necessarily true.
So let's talk about my take.
I want to have the same take onthis as I do with a lot of
other things, for example, likemicroplastics or vaccines.
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I don't think we canspecifically show, and which is
why it's hard to prove thesethings in a lab a plus B equals
C.
So so if I have this red 40 andI give it a high doses, it
causes hyperactivity and ADD ornothing.
Maybe it costs nothing.
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And then I test another dye,this dye on its own.
Give it to this person, thesepeople.
Positive reaction, no.
But what if I took all of themand put it together and I
exposed someone over a lifetime40, 50 years Is it going to have
an adverse effect?
Take microplastics Ismicroplastics, small amount,
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going to affect your body?
No, if you have it over yourentire lifetime and that
incrementally increases, is thatgoing to cause issues?
Yes, different story.
Take vaccines, which is alwaysmy argument for it.
I don't think, specificallyrelated to vaccines, that one
vaccine is going to showsomething negative.
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As an example, mmr it causesautism.
I don't believe that from awhole lot of all.
But if I give someone, fromwhat a normal kid gets at, like
eight to 10 vaccines and then Ibump it down to 35 vaccines, is
it the amount that they'regetting that's causing issues?
Maybe?
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Right, I'm gonna do anotherepisode on this because I think
it's so intriguing.
But going back to dyes, ifthere's one specific dye in a
controlled study cause somethingspecific, probably not.
Does all the dyes in alldifferent types of foods at all,
different concentrations withan overexposure of it to us,
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cause issues?
Yes, even on the flip side ofthat.
Let's go back to the marketingexample I gave.
If I have two dye, two coloredthings that are red, one's 40,
one's like a beet flavored likebeet covered juice, the red 40,
even if it may not have anyspecific adverse effects, and
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we're going to go buy this over,going at the one that's coated
in beets, the one that's coatedin beets actually has traces of
antioxidants on it and traces ofthe vitamins that are found in
beets and doesn't have all theseadverse effects, but because
that are found in beets anddoesn't have all these adverse
effects.
But because that red 41 looksprettier, and especially to kids
, I'm going to reach for thatone.
I'm going to go grab that one.
So we should stop somethingbefore it becomes a bigger
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problem.
Why take a gamble when we havealternatives?
Right?
The only reason is because itlooks pretty.
It doesn't offer anything extrabenefit besides that, and we
have alternatives such as beetflavored or carrot colored.
They look slightly lessprettier.
This is what we're talkingabout and this is why I don't
get to send people getting upset.
It's slightly less prettier, itoffers way more benefits and it
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definitely doesn't have maybethese big negative side effects
that maybe we don't know aboutbecause we really haven't
studied it.
So why go for the thing that'squestionable and definitely has
no positive side effects andinstead of going for the thing
that might have some positiveside effects, no negative side
effects, and just looks slightlymore dull?
And maybe kids will eat lesssugar, maybe they'll eat less
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candies or all these processedfoods, that those stuff that has
all the dyes.
There's all the heavilyprocessed foods they shouldn't
be eating, and a lot greatersome anyway.
So maybe if we make those foodsduller, people would eat less
of them.
Therefore, they go fornaturally current, vibrant
things, like I always think ofbell peppers.
Like bell peppers are supervibrant when they first Eat less
of them.
Therefore, they go fornaturally current, vibrant
things, like I always think ofbell peppers.
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Like bell peppers are supervibrant when they first come out
, like you have yellows, youhave greens, you have reds, you
got some purples now, right, sothey shine and like, if you get
kids attracted to that, asopposed to getting kids
attracted to Twizzlers Skittles,they're going to create
different habits, right.
And then maybe through this,this could be a workaround to go
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after the childhood obesityepidemic that we're currently
experiencing, which, when we dida podcast episode on that about
four years ago, has now doubled.
So absolutely mind-blowing.
I'm all in for it.
Now, what's going to happen,right?
What's going to be the process?
It's a lot.
So first they have to submitfor an NPRM, which is just
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basically submit to a managerand budget review.
It takes about three to sixmonths.
Then there's public comment for60 days, then there's review
and then there's a final rulethat takes anywhere from three
to nine months, and then there'sreview and then there's a final
rule that takes anywhere fromthree to nine months, and then
there's industry compliance,giving the places enough time to
get rid of it and maybe they goaway by 2027, 2028.
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Well, here's the issue Thingspeople aren't going to talk
about.
Let's still go to trans fat,which you've heard me talk about
many, many times for those thatwatch the show, but if you
don't, let's give a littlehistory lesson.
Trans fat was banned six yearsago.
It's still in foods.
Why?
Because companies keep saying Ineed more time.
I can't get complying to get itout.
It keeps my food more shelfstable and I can't get out.
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We know that's bad for you.
Trans fats horrible.
Processed trans partialhydrogenated oils atrocious.
And they're still mislabelingthings.
You look at peanut butter.
As I always say, you buy yourskippy, you buy your peter pan.
You know it says zero grams oftrans fat.
Look, there's anything that'snot in it, yeah.
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You look at the serving sizethey make it, so it's not in it.
Yeah, you look at the servingsize they make it, so it's 0.4
grams of trans fat, right.
And then they could say zerobecause under 0.5, just by
changing the serving size.
But you don't know unless youlook in the ingredients and then
you see partially hydrogenatedoils in the ingredients.
So you really have to know thatin order to figure out if I'm
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eating.
This thing is bad, it's.
It's crazy like in the us, whichI understand like you want to
give companies free will, letthem with the market demand, but
I think it's different when itcomes to our food and our water,
because these are things thatwe heavily rely on and 99 of
people can't benefit themselveson it, so therefore they have to
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go out and buy it and we're nottaught properly through our
education systems on it.
So most people just don't know,like what they're looking at,
what they're reading.
And I explain these things topeople and they're always like
wait, really, really like, yeah,people just don't know.
And you take something likethis that's been pushed out five
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years.
So this diving might be pushedout of the five years and I
think the government, ifanything, should play a bigger
role in banning foods, like Ialways say, like acid, you don't
want acid foods.
Like right, you don't wantcocaine in your coca-cola, like
it used to be.
For those that don't know that.
So little things like that thegovernment does have to play a
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role to knock out of foods, andthe EU has way higher standards
of food ratings than we do.
Like you always.
Look at Heinz ketchup.
Heinz ketchup is 90 differentof what's listed in the EU and
what's here.
So the company is alreadymaking the healthier product
that has less ingredients, butthey're still marketing to
Americans the worst one becauseit's cheaper to make.
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It relies more on artificiallyprocessed things that are way
cheaper than a naturallyoccurring, like tomatoes, for
example, tomato paste.
And then, as a consumer, youjust need to know what to look
for and you need to know how toread a label just to find your
ketchup and it's annoying.
How are you supposed to knowthat?
It's so tough?
There's red diet and ketchup.
There's high fructose cornsyrup and ketchup.
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Like you need to go and lookand read a label to know what
the different type of ketchupyou're getting.
I just want to go to the storeand go buy ketchup.
I just like get so overwhelmedbecause I know so much.
I'm going to the store and I'mlooking at every single freaking
label and I'm reading it.
So I spend an hour just readinglabels, everything I pick up
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and I'm just getting frustratedbecause I'm like, screw it, I'm
not buying anything that has aprocess at all.
I just buy meat, I know we'regood, I don't worry about
anything injected into it, justraw meat.
Bum, dum, go home bye.
And I would like to enjoydifferent foods, but I just
don't want to sit there and readlabels every single freaking
time I go in because I'm worriedabout what's in it and I have
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to keep my own health andstandards.
Like maybe, maybe I want sorbet.
Right, I love sorbet's great.
I said people like oh sure,yeah, it's good once in a while,
just a little tiny couplespoonfuls.
But I don't want to eat sorbetthat has yellow 40 in it.
I don't want to eat it to bethat it's high fructose corn
syrup in it.
I don't want to eat sorbet thatthere's so many ingredients I
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can't even pronounce that I Ijust want sorbet that's water,
fruit and ice.
Is that too hard to ask?
Is that too hard to ask?
That's the question.
Can our food supply just getsimpler?
Can we make everything simpleagain?
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I think that's the real answer.
Make America healthy, make itsimple again.
Make food simple.
Make it easy to understand.
Make it easy for the averageconsumer to know what they're
going to look like to understand.
Make it easy for the averageconsumer to know what they're
going to look like and not toworry that, hey, dives might be
better for you, but now we haveto convince everyone to stop
buying it because if you do thedigital process effort to get it
out of the out of the food,it's going to take at least two
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years, if not seven, eight, nine, ten years to get out of foods.
The only way to truly get outof the food is to educate
everyone on it, which is whatwe're doing now.
And people stop buying it.
Then companies go.
I guess there's no demand forit and they slowly start
switching over.
But it's still going to bemarketed.
Kids don't know.
You see all these cerealcommercials and you look at the
cereal.
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It's vibrant.
There's so much shit in cereal.
Cereal is one of the worstthings you can eat and it's
marketed to kids that it'shealthy and convinced a whole
generation that's my parents'generation that it's one of the
healthiest things to eat.
Have some cereal and milk, gotmilk?
Add it to your cereal in themorning.
Right, remember thosecommercials Over and over and
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over again.
And it's horrible.
We shouldn't have been doingthat Like at all.
And we were just taught eggswere bad.
Meanwhile eggs are one of thehealthiest things you can eat.
I don't.
And we were just taught eggswere bad.
Meanwhile eggs are one of thehealthiest things you can eat.
I eat eight eggs every singlemorning.
It's super healthy.
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We got to start thinking eatreal foods, eat things that
aren't processed and stopmarketing to kids unhealthy shit
, because that's how they knowthey make the money, and I think
there's a line there which it'ssomething we can definitely
talk about.
I would love to hear youropinions on this, if you guys
have any comments about what youthink the way marketing should
be done to kids.
Should we allow diets and food?
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Should we allow diets?
How much of a role shouldgovernment play?
How much more should we rely onfree market?
This is a tough topic, right,because it's really a line there
somewhere, but it's really grayarea and all mixed between.
So what's next?
I think RFK is going to comeout and he's going to talk about
banning some other things likethank God, like sodium benzenate
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, which is a known carcinogen,is still in foods.
It's banned in the entirety ofthe EU, but it's a known
carcinogen because they say onlywhen it's in heat, so great you
lived in 40 of the 50 stateswhere it's warm, or it's in a
truck that doesn't have AC, it'sa big stomach carcinogen then I
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don't know, good luck.
Or potassium bromide, which hasbeen linked to cancer and
rodents, yet again banned in theEU.
Or BHA, bht, which are possibleendocrine distributors and the
FDA is currently reviewing them,which is good to hear.
And then propoparaben, whichalso has endocrine consoles, and
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yet again banned in the EU.
So anyway, guys, that's all Ihave for you today, but please
let me know what do you think?
Do you think that DAI should bebanned?
How big of a role do you thinkthe government should play when
it comes to food?
How much research should be putinto the kind of foods we're
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eating?
How much should the role of thegovernment play in the
marketing side of the foodindustry?
Right, because that's anotherwhole topic.
Like what does that look likeeach way?
But thank you, guys for joiningus in this week's episode of
Health and Fitness Redefined.
Great job doing a solo episode.
Really appreciate you alllistening to this today.
Don't forget, hit, subscribe,share.
It's only the way this grows.
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Give other people's opinions.
Let's start some topics.
Let's make america simple againwhen it comes to food.
Don't forget fitness andmedicine.
Until next time, thank you.
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