February 10, 2025 • 30 mins
The episode highlights the importance of discipline over motivation in achieving personal success, drawing from the journey of a former Olympian. Through discussions on strength training, community, and the value of coaching, listeners are encouraged to take actionable steps towards improving their health and fitness, emphasizing that the lessons learned in sports can translate into all areas of life.
• The significance of showing up, even without motivation
• Finding strength in personal challenges and mentorship
• Key fundamental movements for everyday functionality
• The benefits of sauna usage for health and recovery
• Navigating fitness trends with personal preferences in mind
• The necessity of coaching and external guidance
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello and welcome to how to Finish Redefined.
I'm your host, anthony Amen,and today we have another great
episode for all of you.
I don't know if you all cantell watching the video, I have
super bags under my eyes.
I'm kind of just having atwo-month-old, as all of you are
very aware.
But anyway, without further ado, let's welcome to the show, ben
Ben, it's a pleasure to haveyou on today.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you very much for having me on.
Mr Anthony and I also probablyhave bags under my eyes.
It is bright and early, butwe're excited to get started.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we're doing this.
That's all that matters, right.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We're here.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We showed up excuses.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's like you just show up, you do it like you work
out.
It doesn't have to be perfect.
The discipline matters morethan the motivation.
I agree with that a hundredpercent.
I think that that is the key tosuccess, right there, man and I
for someone that knows aboutsuccess.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I do want to hop into your backstory because you are
a former olympian, so that'sfreaking awesome.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about your journey
and how you got into that realm?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
of course.
So it's me.
We're gonna flash back very,very young and I started.
I got the opportunity to startin the gym pretty early.
Um, I had a couple really goodmentors along the way, so the
first one would be my father uh,kind of brought me into the gym
and then I absolutely hated itand, and you know, he was like,
just, you know, you got to do itlike this, you know, like
classic, like relationship, andI was like this is, I love being
(01:27):
here, but I don't really likethis.
And so, as time went on, youknow you get into, you know,
middle school and high school,you start lifting weights with
the team I was in football fromTexas, it's, it's the thing you
know and so started very earlylifting weights and then it just
became something I reallyenjoyed because of the challenge
that was presented to me.
(01:48):
So I was not the strongest kid.
I was, in fact, probably one ofthe weaker kids, even though I
started earlier in the gym.
I just was a weaker kid and soI liked the idea that I was
forced to adapt and so, littlebits at a time, I continued to
(02:09):
spend more and more time in thegym and finally I took my first
powerlifting meet in I think itwas my freshman year A coach
kind of just threw me into it,kind of forced me to.
Hey, we're going to do thisthis weekend and you're going.
I don't know what this is, butsure it sounds like fun.
Um, I, I more wanted to hangout with friends on a Saturday,
(02:29):
wake up early.
I love that environment, and soit's just something I, you know
, kind of brought me to thesport.
And then I was able to besuccessful enough in that sport
where I, you know, very I don'tknow, my sophomore year.
So I was, I started benchinglike 405 pounds and I started,
you know, squatting some goodweight and I ended up qualifying
(02:51):
.
I found somebody else outside ofthe high school system, uh, and
I was educated by thisgentleman named Preston Turner.
I will always be thankful andgrateful to Preston.
He recommended I go ahead andlook for, you know, usapl
powerlifting, and that's thatwas the road to go to the IPF at
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the time, and so theInternational Powerlifting
Federation is through the IOC,so the International Olympic
Committee, so that was the way Iwas suggested to go, and then I
, you know, qualified to go toHungary and compete at my first,
you know Team USA competitionand it was an amazing experience
.
People that told me, you knowyou're never going to be
(03:33):
successful.
I had people travel and gowatch me to compete on the stage
, and I then represented theteams a couple more times at
several different internationalmeets.
And here we are today preparingto come back.
I retired in 2017.
I went to Worlds, did reallyreally well, got a couple of
gold medals, and then now we'regoing to go ahead and start
(03:54):
competing yet again.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What's the next step for you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The next step is to go back and compete.
Man, I haven't been on a realgood program in a while.
I've been relying on otherpeople to help me with that
programming.
I think that, as a as a coach,I I like to show it for my
clients and you know I you wouldunderstand like you, you get it
, you want to, you want to bethere, right?
They've they've asked you forhelp and you want to show up for
them.
And I've had multiple umexperiences where that wasn't
(04:21):
necessarily what was providedand that was kind of unfortunate
for me.
Different sports I wanted to getinto CrossFit, reached out to a
couple different CrossFitathlete coaches and it just
didn't happen and people justcontinued to kick the ball
around and so I was like allright, well, I'm tired of
(04:42):
waiting for somebody else tohelp me be successful.
I got to take this into my ownhands and I am a coach so I can
go ahead and write a program.
I'm pretty good at this thing,so I'm writing my own programs.
And, dan, I did my first likeweek this last week, and I was
like this is what I do forclients, like this is one both
(05:03):
very challenging but at the sametime, so relieving, you know,
so relaxing, like you givesomeone hey, this is the roadmap
.
You just got to show up, do theroadmap and you'll be
successful.
Like, oh my God, like, thethings that we do for our
clients is like, I think, thecoolest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
What do we say in the beginning?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Discipline over motivation, right?
So the program being laid outfor you, it's less thinking work
.
So your cool downs are allprogrammed there for you.
Just got to show up, do thething and then you can go have a
good meal and then do it allagain in two days.
You know like it feels so good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, something I've always pondered was the
powerlifting realm.
Like I that were, didn't, I'llgo deadlift for fun, bench for
fun, that's about it.
And squat, squat's horrible.
Never watched my squat.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Squatting so hard, man.
I mean, it wasn't until, like,I think, 2017 where I finally
felt like, oh man, I feel likeI'm getting the idea of how to
squat.
Like it takes so so long to getcomfortable.
Be consistent, I think you knowthat you have those three,
those three fundamentalmovements, and you like okay, so
(06:29):
we have the push, the hinge,the pull and the squat right,
those are our four fundamentalmovements in life.
I like to add rotation in thereas another one that they don't
really talk about as much, butyou have you get to hit all of
those with those three corefundamental movements, and so I
think everybody should do thosethings because I think they're
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fun, they're valuable.
You know you can have a lot.
There's a lot of variationinside of them.
It keeps you coming to the gym,constant goal setting, like
there's a lot of value in havingthose three movements in your
life, you know oh, I totallyagree.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think every single human being and I'm even talking
to my 85 90 year old clientshould be deadlifting.
It's what you do every day, allday, picking things off the
ground.
You don't want to throw yourback out because you don't have
proper hinge technique exactlyyeah, man, and what I have, one
of my ladies, um, she's 60 yearsold.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
When we first started she was like, man, I, I want to
stay on the on the machines.
Can you teach how to use them?
That'd be great.
I was like, yeah, yeah, we'llstart there.
And then we, you know, we did acouple machines and I was like,
okay, but there's a better wayto do this.
And she's like, wait what?
I was like, yeah, yeah, wecould go try these things.
We started off with dumbbellsand now she's deadlifting 185
(07:38):
pounds.
She's looking good, she's addedweight to her body.
She's you know, all of hernumbers are better.
Like it's just the coolestthing to see.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You are no more than me.
What's the goal you should hitfor telling someone hey, this is
the average strength, soexample is is how much weight
should you be able to deadliftbased upon your body weight?
Same with bench, same withsquat.
What's a good median goal forthe general public?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I would say general public would be.
I think that there's a rulebehind it and then there's what
it bent things, and so I thinkthat the rule is two times your
squat, and I think that if youcan squat your body weight in
pounds, then you are doingprobably better than most people
.
So, um, the general rule is twotimes, I would say one, um,
(08:30):
benching your body weight isanother.
Uh, that's supposed to be onetimes your body weight.
Uh, I would probably agree, andit's a long road to get there.
To be honest, with you Benchingone, it's hard, it never goes
up, it takes forever.
So I would probably say I thinkthe key is you have to do it
more often.
If you're benching two, threedays a week like that, I think
(08:52):
that does really well.
If you make sure, like, one ofthose days is a technique day,
One of those days is a techniqueday.
One of those days is a is aheavy day.
One of those days, um, maybe,is a is a variation, like a
pause or a tempo or somethinglike that.
I feel like that's what I'veseen to be the most successful
for most of my clients.
So about one times is the ruleand I think um 75% to one time
is pretty, probably pretty good.
(09:12):
Uh, and then deadlift.
They say two to two and a halftimes, which I would probably
kind of stick with.
Two, two and a half times Bodyweight is probably a pretty good
number.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, and if you had to break all three down, which
would be the one you'd recommendpeople start with?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ooh, that's a good question there, sir.
Ooh, that's a good question.
If I had to recommend somebodystart with something, I would
probably man.
I think deadlifting is probablythe most encouraging and so I
would probably say deadlift.
But I think for the long-termbenefit of having you know
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spinal loading, I would probablysay you want to be able to be
able to squat with a bar on yourback.
Pretty well, now, not everybodycan and there's a lot of
herniated discs that exist and alot of surgeries, and so that's
kind of my hesitation there.
But I would say probablydeadlift and then, if you can, a
back squat.
Those would be cool, goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I agree with you.
My opinion would be deadliftright off the bat people just
don't load their posterior chain.
So that's for people listening,that's the back side of your
body and we're very anterior,front forward individuals.
So we're sitting at a computer,we're slouched forward where
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it's like our postures are justseized.
Basically, at this point, whenyou look around, especially if
you go to high school, everysingle person's like leaning
forward.
We carry things, we leanforward.
So really making sure we workthose muscles on the backside to
bring everything upright andtogether, that would be my
opinion, but it's such anopinionated question.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're not wrong.
But hey, it's your show, so youcan have your opinion all you
want.
Who gives a fuck?
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was the promise this year Unfiltered opinion.
I don't give a shit if youagree with me, so love the 2025.
Ben, I know you host your ownshow.
You have over 100 episodes out.
I was scrolling through a bunchof them and I recognized a lot
of the guests you had on and Iwas like, oh, we've had them,
them, them, them.
(11:23):
So I want to get your opinionbecause, for those that have
listened to my show for the lastfive years, it's what's the
biggest takeaway After being ahost and having 100 guests
sitting in front of youlistening, what's that one thing
you keep going back to over andover again that resonates
throughout all your guests.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think that there are a lot of similarities among
people who either want toachieve, or have achieved,
success, and that is it startedoff really well our podcast.
It is being able to show upconsistently and being able to
have something that you canfocus on, that you truly are
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passionate about, something youtruly love, even if it's like a
pivot off of the thing, like forme.
You know, I just wanted to bewith friends and then that led
me into being in powerlifting,and then being in powerlifting
led me to a undergraduate degree, research and a master's degree
, but it all started off becauseI just wanted to hang out with
(12:27):
my friends.
So there's something that youare doing that you love, that
you can pivot into somethingthat is quote, unquote, unquote
successful in however you deemthat success.
So being able to show up, beingable to find that thing and
(12:51):
being able to have the rightpeople around you is a massive
multiplier.
If you have good people, you'reable to do things that you never
would have thought possible.
People that either encourageyou to do to go far or it's, you
know, people that just can giveyou a little bit of support, or
the people that tell you, hey,you can't do this.
And then you're like you knowwhat man?
I'm going to go ahead and proveit to you, you know.
But we need people in our livesand that could be a spouse.
(13:13):
That can be, you know, that canbe your personal trainer, that
can be your, your banker, your,your whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
We all need a team and, uh, I think having the team
is is a multiplier.
Those are probably three, threeof my main takeaways.
All right, so just uh, break itdown.
First thing, we said thebeginning show amazing, just
show up, get it done and doingthings when you don't want to do
them, and that really is thebiggest difference for everybody
.
And then I think the biggestone is surrounding yourself with
people, and it's somethingwe've talked about on the show
and one of my we just put likesome crazy January 1st thing up,
(13:49):
I think last year I put you caneasily change your life, just
surrounding yourself withdifferent people.
Stop making excuses, and Ifull-heartedly believe in that.
But I want to take that a stepfurther because it's something I
learned it's not necessarilythe five people you spend the
most time with that are there,so like, not physically there,
(14:09):
but it's the five people youspend the most time with that
you can observe from outsidesources.
So a great example is if you'relistening to someone else's
podcast, right, you want to gethealthier.
You could spend more time withme by listening to my show.
I don't have to be there, butit's now.
I'm listening to Anthony talkabout health and fitness way
more than listening to anybodyelse.
(14:30):
So having that extra componentadded onto it makes it so you
don't have to be like I have togive up all my family, all my
friends.
It's hey, let me just introducesomething else.
Let me introduce, like for me,business podcasts like these
people into my life that aremore successful than I am, so I
can level up to them.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They're not here, but I'm taking it a step further if
that makes sense to you it's,it's brain food, and you get to
choose those five mayberesources that you're pulling
that food from.
And so if it is business people, it's fitness people, it's
whatever you want to choose togrow in, you can find a podcast
for it, you can find a book onit and you can consume that
(15:10):
thing that ultimately willchange who you are.
So I think that there's a lotof value in that and the fact
that we have this opportunity tobe online and have access to
somebody who's an expert infitness like you, like come on,
like what an opportunity.
You know people that bring that.
You're bringing other people onthat have other expertise like
you're giving people anopportunity to have good brain
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food, and that's highly valuable.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, and then what was the third thing you
mentioned?
Food, and that's highlyvaluable.
Yeah, and then what was thethird thing you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So the second thing was it was being able to find
good people around you, and thendiscipline.
And there was another one and Iforgot it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
If you remember what it was, comment on the show
below.
Be like hey guys, this is whatit was.
We'll jump back to it later,Because we're both on the same
page right now.
We're like yeah I got it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's the important part.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, hell, yeah.
So I I love that and what I'mtaking a step further for just a
summary of your guest right, Iknow you talk a lot about
different things on your show.
Your show is way more a broadspectrum than Ours is specific
to health and fitness, but forall of those that have been in
(16:23):
the health and fitness realm onyour show, what's one of the
biggest things you've learnedthat can help change someone's
goal towards health?
So is there a specific type ofhabit or a specific time to
change in diet that you heard onyour show?
You're like, wow, that'samazing.
We need to implement this nowin our lives to get healthier.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I really like the sauna.
That's probably like and Ithink maybe I don't know if
that's because it's my mostrecent episode, but it's like or
one of my most recent episodesbut having the sauna inside your
house is such a, such an addedvalue and I use it consistently.
I was sick just last week and Igot into the sauna and I I was
(17:04):
sick for two days and I have afriend who got almost pretty
much the same thing.
He's still sick and it's beenlike a week and a half and so
like, um, now we are differentages and different diets and
different lifestyles, but, um, Ithink being able to have the
sauna access is massivelyvaluable.
Able to have the sauna accessis massively valuable.
(17:25):
And even if you're not doinganything else, like if you're
going to do 15 minutes, 20minutes in sauna, there's a lot
of research behind.
You know the misfolding ofproteins and how a heat shock
protein works.
I'm not going to bore you guyswith what that science is, but
there's a lot of value there andso I mean I'm going to do it
for the rest of my life and Iwould probably encourage anybody
and everybody to do it as well.
(17:45):
We're definitely a little morebroad on our podcast, but we're
also trying to focus a littlemore on the fitness and health
on our last several.
So, like our last 15, probablythe last 10 are going to be more
health and fitness for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Hey, nothing wrong with it.
Nothing wrong with it, man.
You get 280 episodes intohealth and fitness.
You start running out of topics.
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That was my fear, to be honest with you, I was like I
don't want to just beat a deadhorse.
I feel like fitness is almost,to some degree, you find what
you like, and for you that mightbe deadlifting, for somebody
else that might be rowing, andultimately, as long as both of
you keep on showing up, you'regoing to ultimately have the
goal that you're looking for,which is to be healthier.
Right, we just want to livelonger, we want to be able to
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prevent injury, we want to beable to get up when we're 60 or
70 years old.
Like it.
You can choose any variation ofhealth and fitness that you
want.
It's just being able to do itconsistently.
And then I think that peopleovercomplicate a lot of it.
It's like do you really need to, you know, follow the keto diet
versus the carnivore diet?
No, like, follow whatever thefuck fits for you.
(18:49):
Like what if I absolutely hatethe carnivore diet, I do it for
three months and then I'm backto what I was doing before.
Like this yo-yo dieting isn'tany better.
And so like find a lifestylethat ultimately just fits for
you and for some people thatincludes alcohol, for some
people that doesn't includealcohol.
Now there's, you know, there'sgeneral boundaries and rules
(19:10):
that we should probably, butlike, don't get beat up getting
drunk every night, right, butlike, keep it simple, stupid,
like it's, it's.
It's such a good phrase that Ithink that the fitness industry
is just so overrun with like,well, eggs are bad for you, and
then, two years later, eggs aregood for you, and then
cholesterol is bad, and it'sjust like god, like anything too
much of anything sucks, likeget over it, you know god, if
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eggs end up being bad for you,man, I'm screwed yeah, it's.
It's just it's just noise, man.
It's social media, it's clicks,like it's just there's no way.
Like half of the shit that I dois just like well, that was bad
10 years ago.
It's like women weren't even alot like, not even like the.
(19:55):
The perspective of a lady, evenlifting the gym, you know, 30,
40 years ago, was like taboo.
Uh, versus it's like that.
That's the thing it's like.
Yeah, lifting weights alsohelps women, weird.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I love watching we get a lot more women hopping
into powerlifting.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It is so cool.
I think it's really changed thegame for women overall in in
the space and I like it.
For me, I feel like I see morewomen consistently showing up to
the gym sometimes than dudes,like dudes are just like, oh,
I'm just gonna bench all thetime, versus the ladies like, uh
, maybe she wants to squat moreand do more booty workouts or
whatever, but she's stillbenching.
You know, like she's stillsquatting and deadlifting, uh,
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and it's.
I think it's the, it's thecoolest game change that's
happened.
If I feel like, if I look inthe gym, a lot of times there's
more women than there are menand I think it's like come on,
bros, like let's get into thegym, you got to keep up.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We did a we every January.
We're like run through asynopsis of our clients and
we're at a 70, 30 now.
Men, women to men yeah,business, I was thinking it's
going to be like 90 10, right?
Personal training very tapu formen.
Women are more likely to askfor help than a guy, is it's
(21:12):
just true.
Yeah, but you're seeing somemen hop into it and do it, but
they're still like thatdisconnect like I.
I can just go to Planet Fitnessor LA and show up and do my
workout and they end up justbenching twice and leaving or
they just think that it's moreokay for them to not work out
Like you see a lot more.
(21:34):
This is my favorite thing.
I don't know if you're married,have kids, but my entire life
because I've been in this realmfor a long time my clients have
said wait till you get married,you're going to see that it's
all going to change and thingsare going to be different and
you're not going to be able tolook like that.
Then I got married three yearsago and then it was wait till
you have a kid.
You're not going to have timeto do this.
Yeah, I have a two-month-old.
It's way harder, don't get mewrong, but I can still watch
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what I.
I'm like it just damn right theexcuses, guys.
It's just it's getting old.
Pop belly is not fun.
No one likes it, it ain't goodfor you.
So how do we speak to mendirectly to say hey, it's okay
to ask for help.
You're a freaking olympian andyou will hire coaches to listen
(22:17):
to you, right?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
hell, yeah, dude, I feel like getting coaching is
like the best thing that you canever do, like, and yes, sure,
I'm like to some degree, yes,I'm a coach and so I believe it.
Yes, but as an athlete, likehaving a different perspective
to look at my squat and say, hey, actually I think maybe this
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variation would be better foryou long-term.
Like, oh shit, maybe I didndidn't, maybe I've never been
exposed to that variation, maybeI have and I just haven't
incorporated because I hatedoing it, because I suck at it,
and but like, somebody else isgoing to write it on the program
, like, well, that that's whatI'm paying for and that's that's
kind of what I'm doing today.
It is what it is, um, and soyou, just you have a third party
(23:02):
that's looking at you as as,like you're, they're not
successful if you're notsuccessful.
And so like if I have a clientand they're doing and they're
lifting, like that's my faultand so like it's not in
anybody's best interest to haveyou not lifting well and not
being successful.
And like having somebody inyour team you not lifting well
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and not being successful.
And like having somebody inyour team in your corner every
like.
I don't know, like some peopleallow 24-hour texting, right,
some people like depends ontheir, your coach or whatever.
But like you have somebodywho's constantly in your corner,
like you can see weekly, getout of here, like where else do
you get that in life?
Like you don't get that and yougo, you show up to work and
you're just expected to work andyou're not congratulated.
It's just like you show up andyou do your job and that's great
(23:45):
, that's fine, whatever.
But it's also at this, like youworking on you, you like, if
you know you're showing up to bebetter and you're improving and
you're looking at new Googledrives and like you still want
that, like you know that that,that, like validation that man
I'm like the work that I'm doingis being recognized.
Like that, like validation thatman I'm like the work that I'm
doing is being recognized.
Like your works that you'redoing inside of the gym will be
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recognized by somebody else, andso or you know that.
Okay, that's one mentality.
The other mentality is just someaccountability.
Like man, I've been consistentfor three months and then I
always fall off.
I'm consistent for three monthsand then I fall off.
Well then, just hire a coachand then you're not given that
opportunity to take a break.
Like those breaks arecalculated, they're specific to
you Like.
And then you can also like heyman, my coach, I am not feeling
(24:29):
well today, or whatever.
And then that person, ifthey're a good coach, they'll
make those adjustments for yourprogram and like either you are
showing up and you're just doing50% of what you were supposed
to do, or you know you're you'rejust skipping a week cause you
need to deload.
Like you have somebody who'sthere as just your professional
like advice individual for forhealth and fitness, and there's
(24:52):
a better way to say that.
But it is what it is.
So like, uh, I can just I can'temphasize more like the best
coaches in the world havecoaches.
You know.
Like the the best athletes inthe world have coaches.
You know like it comes in theworld, have coaches.
You know like it comes.
Like what do you do?
Why do you think that you'reany better than the person who's
getting paid hundreds ofmillions of dollars to go play
(25:13):
basketball, football or whatever?
They have coaches.
You think you're better Get outof here.
Like, come on, come on.
I'm sure you had a coach foreach specific type of thing you
were doing come on, I'm sure youhad a coach for each specific
type of thing you were doing 100.
Like I've had business coaches,I've had, uh, health and
fitness coaches, I've had powerlifting coaches, I've had
crossfit coaches.
Like I need help.
(25:33):
I don't know everything and Idon't want to know everything.
Like what a terrible lifeyou're like.
I want to know what I know andthen be able to help.
Like ask others for help tomake my life better.
Like it's the most bougie thing.
And I think in the fuckingworld, like you can pay somebody
else for their expertise.
You pay a CPA, you pay anattorney.
Go pay a coach.
(25:54):
Like there's no difference, youknow.
Like good coaches are thatwell-educated?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
and like go get a good coach and you can learn
from it.
And right, that's the.
I love this quote I heard on.
I'm going to butcher it crazy,but whatever you'll get the
point of it, the one thingpeople can't take away from you
is what you learn.
So you can start a business.
You can start a health andfitness program and you can fail
(26:22):
at it.
You can go bankrupt, you canend up broke Like life just
punches you in the face, but youlearned something, so therefore
you can get back there wayquicker.
Just spend the time and moneyto learn.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I love that.
I love it, but it's okay.
But we get the idea Likethere's so much, like you get to
hold on to that one thing, likethey can take away your house,
they can take away your, your,you know your car, if you get
repo, they can take you know allthese other things.
But you know they can't takeaway the things that are inside
your head and like, if youreally do good, do a good job
reading and learning and using,like having mentors and having
(27:00):
people around you that that areliving maybe the life you want,
maybe a piece of the life thatyou want, um, maybe they're
super good at fitness butthey're broke.
Well, you know, maybe, maybethere's maybe another coach, uh
or um, you can learn from thatspecific thing.
Like I want to learn health andfitness from this person.
Like you can, you can find thatperson and then, like you take
that with you for the rest ofyour life how valuable you know
(27:23):
You're not just paying for thatmoment.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You're paying for the benefits for the rest of your
life.
Mic drop no, that's a great wayto wrap it up.
But anyway, ben, I do want tostart wrapping this show up.
So, first question I'm going toask you and I want you to take
(27:49):
this a step further this Iusually ask summarize episode in
one sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Summarize your podcast topic wise, like your
takeaways from your podcast, inone or two sentences in regards
to topics, my, these are mythree and these are what I've
been saying for a long time.
So my podcast focuses on health, fitness and entrepreneurship.
(28:12):
Everybody has a road to healthand fitness, and I think that
the tools and skills that arelearned in the gym are
transferable to every part ofour lives.
And so, yes, there's a widerange of individuals, but most
of those people I've met throughthe gym, most of those people
I've met through health andfitness, I competed for Team USA
(28:34):
with them.
I, you know, have done whatever, but everybody has a path
through health and fitness, andthe transferable skills that
you'll get from there will makeyou an infinitely better human
long term.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I love that, couldn't agree more.
And the second question how canpeople find you get a hold of
you learn?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
more.
So my podcast name is BenThinking, just like it sounds.
My first name is Ben.
So Ben Thinking.
And you guys can also find meon Instagram at Ben Navarro.
If you're watching on videothen it says it right there
Navarro, n-e-v-a-r-r-o-s.
And then, yeah, go listen tothe podcast.
(29:13):
And then IEHealthco.
You guys already have probablya pretty good coach here with
Anthony, but if you guys areever just want to have a
conversation, you guys canalways reach out at IE health
dot C.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, love it, Ben.
Thank you for coming on.
Thank you guys for listeningthis week's episode of health
and fitness redefined.
Don't forget to share this show.
Subscribe.
It's the only way we grow.
Thank you guys, so much forlistening.
Don't forget fitness andmedicine.
Until next time We'll be rightback Outro Music.
Hello and welcome to how to Finish Redefined.
I'm your host, anthony Amen,and today we have another great
episode for all of you.
I don't know if you all cantell watching the video, I have
super bags under my eyes.
I'm kind of just having atwo-month-old, as all of you are
very aware.
But anyway, without further ado, let's welcome to the show, ben
Ben, it's a pleasure to haveyou on today.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you very much for having me on.
Mr Anthony and I also probablyhave bags under my eyes.
It is bright and early, butwe're excited to get started.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we're doing this.
That's all that matters, right.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We're here.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We showed up excuses.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's like you just show up, you do it like you work
out.
It doesn't have to be perfect.
The discipline matters morethan the motivation.
I agree with that a hundredpercent.
I think that that is the key tosuccess, right there, man and I
for someone that knows aboutsuccess.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I do want to hop into your backstory because you are
a former olympian, so that'sfreaking awesome.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about your journey
and how you got into that realm?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
of course.
So it's me.
We're gonna flash back very,very young and I started.
I got the opportunity to startin the gym pretty early.
Um, I had a couple really goodmentors along the way, so the
first one would be my father uh,kind of brought me into the gym
and then I absolutely hated itand, and you know, he was like,
just, you know, you got to do itlike this, you know, like
classic, like relationship, andI was like this is, I love being
(01:27):
here, but I don't really likethis.
And so, as time went on, youknow you get into, you know,
middle school and high school,you start lifting weights with
the team I was in football fromTexas, it's, it's the thing you
know and so started very earlylifting weights and then it just
became something I reallyenjoyed because of the challenge
that was presented to me.
(01:48):
So I was not the strongest kid.
I was, in fact, probably one ofthe weaker kids, even though I
started earlier in the gym.
I just was a weaker kid and soI liked the idea that I was
forced to adapt and so, littlebits at a time, I continued to
(02:09):
spend more and more time in thegym and finally I took my first
powerlifting meet in I think itwas my freshman year A coach
kind of just threw me into it,kind of forced me to.
Hey, we're going to do thisthis weekend and you're going.
I don't know what this is, butsure it sounds like fun.
Um, I, I more wanted to hangout with friends on a Saturday,
(02:29):
wake up early.
I love that environment, and soit's just something I, you know
, kind of brought me to thesport.
And then I was able to besuccessful enough in that sport
where I, you know, very I don'tknow, my sophomore year.
So I was, I started benchinglike 405 pounds and I started,
you know, squatting some goodweight and I ended up qualifying
(02:51):
.
I found somebody else outside ofthe high school system, uh, and
I was educated by thisgentleman named Preston Turner.
I will always be thankful andgrateful to Preston.
He recommended I go ahead andlook for, you know, usapl
powerlifting, and that's thatwas the road to go to the IPF at
(03:12):
the time, and so theInternational Powerlifting
Federation is through the IOC,so the International Olympic
Committee, so that was the way Iwas suggested to go, and then I
, you know, qualified to go toHungary and compete at my first,
you know Team USA competitionand it was an amazing experience
.
People that told me, you knowyou're never going to be
(03:33):
successful.
I had people travel and gowatch me to compete on the stage
, and I then represented theteams a couple more times at
several different internationalmeets.
And here we are today preparingto come back.
I retired in 2017.
I went to Worlds, did reallyreally well, got a couple of
gold medals, and then now we'regoing to go ahead and start
(03:54):
competing yet again.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
What's the next step for you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The next step is to go back and compete.
Man, I haven't been on a realgood program in a while.
I've been relying on otherpeople to help me with that
programming.
I think that, as a as a coach,I I like to show it for my
clients and you know I you wouldunderstand like you, you get it
, you want to, you want to bethere, right?
They've they've asked you forhelp and you want to show up for
them.
And I've had multiple umexperiences where that wasn't
(04:21):
necessarily what was providedand that was kind of unfortunate
for me.
Different sports I wanted to getinto CrossFit, reached out to a
couple different CrossFitathlete coaches and it just
didn't happen and people justcontinued to kick the ball
around and so I was like allright, well, I'm tired of
(04:42):
waiting for somebody else tohelp me be successful.
I got to take this into my ownhands and I am a coach so I can
go ahead and write a program.
I'm pretty good at this thing,so I'm writing my own programs.
And, dan, I did my first likeweek this last week, and I was
like this is what I do forclients, like this is one both
(05:03):
very challenging but at the sametime, so relieving, you know,
so relaxing, like you givesomeone hey, this is the roadmap
.
You just got to show up, do theroadmap and you'll be
successful.
Like, oh my God, like, thethings that we do for our
clients is like, I think, thecoolest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
What do we say in the beginning?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Discipline over motivation, right?
So the program being laid outfor you, it's less thinking work
.
So your cool downs are allprogrammed there for you.
Just got to show up, do thething and then you can go have a
good meal and then do it allagain in two days.
You know like it feels so good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, something I've always pondered was the
powerlifting realm.
Like I that were, didn't, I'llgo deadlift for fun, bench for
fun, that's about it.
And squat, squat's horrible.
Never watched my squat.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Squatting so hard, man.
I mean, it wasn't until, like,I think, 2017 where I finally
felt like, oh man, I feel likeI'm getting the idea of how to
squat.
Like it takes so so long to getcomfortable.
Be consistent, I think you knowthat you have those three,
those three fundamentalmovements, and you like okay, so
(06:29):
we have the push, the hinge,the pull and the squat right,
those are our four fundamentalmovements in life.
I like to add rotation in thereas another one that they don't
really talk about as much, butyou have you get to hit all of
those with those three corefundamental movements, and so I
think everybody should do thosethings because I think they're
(06:50):
fun, they're valuable.
You know you can have a lot.
There's a lot of variationinside of them.
It keeps you coming to the gym,constant goal setting, like
there's a lot of value in havingthose three movements in your
life, you know oh, I totallyagree.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think every single human being and I'm even talking
to my 85 90 year old clientshould be deadlifting.
It's what you do every day, allday, picking things off the
ground.
You don't want to throw yourback out because you don't have
proper hinge technique exactlyyeah, man, and what I have, one
of my ladies, um, she's 60 yearsold.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
When we first started she was like, man, I, I want to
stay on the on the machines.
Can you teach how to use them?
That'd be great.
I was like, yeah, yeah, we'llstart there.
And then we, you know, we did acouple machines and I was like,
okay, but there's a better wayto do this.
And she's like, wait what?
I was like, yeah, yeah, wecould go try these things.
We started off with dumbbellsand now she's deadlifting 185
(07:38):
pounds.
She's looking good, she's addedweight to her body.
She's you know, all of hernumbers are better.
Like it's just the coolestthing to see.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You are no more than me.
What's the goal you should hitfor telling someone hey, this is
the average strength, soexample is is how much weight
should you be able to deadliftbased upon your body weight?
Same with bench, same withsquat.
What's a good median goal forthe general public?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I would say general public would be.
I think that there's a rulebehind it and then there's what
it bent things, and so I thinkthat the rule is two times your
squat, and I think that if youcan squat your body weight in
pounds, then you are doingprobably better than most people
.
So, um, the general rule is twotimes, I would say one, um,
(08:30):
benching your body weight isanother.
Uh, that's supposed to be onetimes your body weight.
Uh, I would probably agree, andit's a long road to get there.
To be honest, with you Benchingone, it's hard, it never goes
up, it takes forever.
So I would probably say I thinkthe key is you have to do it
more often.
If you're benching two, threedays a week like that, I think
(08:52):
that does really well.
If you make sure, like, one ofthose days is a technique day,
One of those days is a techniqueday.
One of those days is a is aheavy day.
One of those days, um, maybe,is a is a variation, like a
pause or a tempo or somethinglike that.
I feel like that's what I'veseen to be the most successful
for most of my clients.
So about one times is the ruleand I think um 75% to one time
is pretty, probably pretty good.
(09:12):
Uh, and then deadlift.
They say two to two and a halftimes, which I would probably
kind of stick with.
Two, two and a half times Bodyweight is probably a pretty good
number.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, and if you had to break all three down, which
would be the one you'd recommendpeople start with?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ooh, that's a good question there, sir.
Ooh, that's a good question.
If I had to recommend somebodystart with something, I would
probably man.
I think deadlifting is probablythe most encouraging and so I
would probably say deadlift.
But I think for the long-termbenefit of having you know
(09:54):
spinal loading, I would probablysay you want to be able to be
able to squat with a bar on yourback.
Pretty well, now, not everybodycan and there's a lot of
herniated discs that exist and alot of surgeries, and so that's
kind of my hesitation there.
But I would say probablydeadlift and then, if you can, a
back squat.
Those would be cool, goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I agree with you.
My opinion would be deadliftright off the bat people just
don't load their posterior chain.
So that's for people listening,that's the back side of your
body and we're very anterior,front forward individuals.
So we're sitting at a computer,we're slouched forward where
(10:36):
it's like our postures are justseized.
Basically, at this point, whenyou look around, especially if
you go to high school, everysingle person's like leaning
forward.
We carry things, we leanforward.
So really making sure we workthose muscles on the backside to
bring everything upright andtogether, that would be my
opinion, but it's such anopinionated question.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're not wrong.
But hey, it's your show, so youcan have your opinion all you
want.
Who gives a fuck?
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That was the promise this year Unfiltered opinion.
I don't give a shit if youagree with me, so love the 2025.
Ben, I know you host your ownshow.
You have over 100 episodes out.
I was scrolling through a bunchof them and I recognized a lot
of the guests you had on and Iwas like, oh, we've had them,
them, them, them.
(11:23):
So I want to get your opinionbecause, for those that have
listened to my show for the lastfive years, it's what's the
biggest takeaway After being ahost and having 100 guests
sitting in front of youlistening, what's that one thing
you keep going back to over andover again that resonates
throughout all your guests.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think that there are a lot of similarities among
people who either want toachieve, or have achieved,
success, and that is it startedoff really well our podcast.
It is being able to show upconsistently and being able to
have something that you canfocus on, that you truly are
(12:06):
passionate about, something youtruly love, even if it's like a
pivot off of the thing, like forme.
You know, I just wanted to bewith friends and then that led
me into being in powerlifting,and then being in powerlifting
led me to a undergraduate degree, research and a master's degree
, but it all started off becauseI just wanted to hang out with
(12:27):
my friends.
So there's something that youare doing that you love, that
you can pivot into somethingthat is quote, unquote, unquote
successful in however you deemthat success.
So being able to show up, beingable to find that thing and
(12:51):
being able to have the rightpeople around you is a massive
multiplier.
If you have good people, you'reable to do things that you never
would have thought possible.
People that either encourageyou to do to go far or it's, you
know, people that just can giveyou a little bit of support, or
the people that tell you, hey,you can't do this.
And then you're like you knowwhat man?
I'm going to go ahead and proveit to you, you know.
But we need people in our livesand that could be a spouse.
(13:13):
That can be, you know, that canbe your personal trainer, that
can be your, your banker, your,your whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
We all need a team and, uh, I think having the team
is is a multiplier.
Those are probably three, threeof my main takeaways.
All right, so just uh, break itdown.
First thing, we said thebeginning show amazing, just
show up, get it done and doingthings when you don't want to do
them, and that really is thebiggest difference for everybody
.
And then I think the biggestone is surrounding yourself with
people, and it's somethingwe've talked about on the show
and one of my we just put likesome crazy January 1st thing up,
(13:49):
I think last year I put you caneasily change your life, just
surrounding yourself withdifferent people.
Stop making excuses, and Ifull-heartedly believe in that.
But I want to take that a stepfurther because it's something I
learned it's not necessarilythe five people you spend the
most time with that are there,so like, not physically there,
(14:09):
but it's the five people youspend the most time with that
you can observe from outsidesources.
So a great example is if you'relistening to someone else's
podcast, right, you want to gethealthier.
You could spend more time withme by listening to my show.
I don't have to be there, butit's now.
I'm listening to Anthony talkabout health and fitness way
more than listening to anybodyelse.
(14:30):
So having that extra componentadded onto it makes it so you
don't have to be like I have togive up all my family, all my
friends.
It's hey, let me just introducesomething else.
Let me introduce, like for me,business podcasts like these
people into my life that aremore successful than I am, so I
can level up to them.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They're not here, but I'm taking it a step further if
that makes sense to you it's,it's brain food, and you get to
choose those five mayberesources that you're pulling
that food from.
And so if it is business people, it's fitness people, it's
whatever you want to choose togrow in, you can find a podcast
for it, you can find a book onit and you can consume that
(15:10):
thing that ultimately willchange who you are.
So I think that there's a lotof value in that and the fact
that we have this opportunity tobe online and have access to
somebody who's an expert infitness like you, like come on,
like what an opportunity.
You know people that bring that.
You're bringing other people onthat have other expertise like
you're giving people anopportunity to have good brain
(15:33):
food, and that's highly valuable.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, and then what was the third thing you
mentioned?
Food, and that's highlyvaluable.
Yeah, and then what was thethird thing you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So the second thing was it was being able to find
good people around you, and thendiscipline.
And there was another one and Iforgot it.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
If you remember what it was, comment on the show
below.
Be like hey guys, this is whatit was.
We'll jump back to it later,Because we're both on the same
page right now.
We're like yeah I got it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's the important part.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, hell, yeah.
So I I love that and what I'mtaking a step further for just a
summary of your guest right, Iknow you talk a lot about
different things on your show.
Your show is way more a broadspectrum than Ours is specific
to health and fitness, but forall of those that have been in
(16:23):
the health and fitness realm onyour show, what's one of the
biggest things you've learnedthat can help change someone's
goal towards health?
So is there a specific type ofhabit or a specific time to
change in diet that you heard onyour show?
You're like, wow, that'samazing.
We need to implement this nowin our lives to get healthier.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I really like the sauna.
That's probably like and Ithink maybe I don't know if
that's because it's my mostrecent episode, but it's like or
one of my most recent episodesbut having the sauna inside your
house is such a, such an addedvalue and I use it consistently.
I was sick just last week and Igot into the sauna and I I was
(17:04):
sick for two days and I have afriend who got almost pretty
much the same thing.
He's still sick and it's beenlike a week and a half and so
like, um, now we are differentages and different diets and
different lifestyles, but, um, Ithink being able to have the
sauna access is massivelyvaluable.
Able to have the sauna accessis massively valuable.
(17:25):
And even if you're not doinganything else, like if you're
going to do 15 minutes, 20minutes in sauna, there's a lot
of research behind.
You know the misfolding ofproteins and how a heat shock
protein works.
I'm not going to bore you guyswith what that science is, but
there's a lot of value there andso I mean I'm going to do it
for the rest of my life and Iwould probably encourage anybody
and everybody to do it as well.
(17:45):
We're definitely a little morebroad on our podcast, but we're
also trying to focus a littlemore on the fitness and health
on our last several.
So, like our last 15, probablythe last 10 are going to be more
health and fitness for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Hey, nothing wrong with it.
Nothing wrong with it, man.
You get 280 episodes intohealth and fitness.
You start running out of topics.
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That was my fear, to be honest with you, I was like I
don't want to just beat a deadhorse.
I feel like fitness is almost,to some degree, you find what
you like, and for you that mightbe deadlifting, for somebody
else that might be rowing, andultimately, as long as both of
you keep on showing up, you'regoing to ultimately have the
goal that you're looking for,which is to be healthier.
Right, we just want to livelonger, we want to be able to
(18:27):
prevent injury, we want to beable to get up when we're 60 or
70 years old.
Like it.
You can choose any variation ofhealth and fitness that you
want.
It's just being able to do itconsistently.
And then I think that peopleovercomplicate a lot of it.
It's like do you really need to, you know, follow the keto diet
versus the carnivore diet?
No, like, follow whatever thefuck fits for you.
(18:49):
Like what if I absolutely hatethe carnivore diet, I do it for
three months and then I'm backto what I was doing before.
Like this yo-yo dieting isn'tany better.
And so like find a lifestylethat ultimately just fits for
you and for some people thatincludes alcohol, for some
people that doesn't includealcohol.
Now there's, you know, there'sgeneral boundaries and rules
(19:10):
that we should probably, butlike, don't get beat up getting
drunk every night, right, butlike, keep it simple, stupid,
like it's, it's.
It's such a good phrase that Ithink that the fitness industry
is just so overrun with like,well, eggs are bad for you, and
then, two years later, eggs aregood for you, and then
cholesterol is bad, and it'sjust like god, like anything too
much of anything sucks, likeget over it, you know god, if
(19:35):
eggs end up being bad for you,man, I'm screwed yeah, it's.
It's just it's just noise, man.
It's social media, it's clicks,like it's just there's no way.
Like half of the shit that I dois just like well, that was bad
10 years ago.
It's like women weren't even alot like, not even like the.
(19:55):
The perspective of a lady, evenlifting the gym, you know, 30,
40 years ago, was like taboo.
Uh, versus it's like that.
That's the thing it's like.
Yeah, lifting weights alsohelps women, weird.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I love watching we get a lot more women hopping
into powerlifting.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It is so cool.
I think it's really changed thegame for women overall in in
the space and I like it.
For me, I feel like I see morewomen consistently showing up to
the gym sometimes than dudes,like dudes are just like, oh,
I'm just gonna bench all thetime, versus the ladies like, uh
, maybe she wants to squat moreand do more booty workouts or
whatever, but she's stillbenching.
You know, like she's stillsquatting and deadlifting, uh,
(20:39):
and it's.
I think it's the, it's thecoolest game change that's
happened.
If I feel like, if I look inthe gym, a lot of times there's
more women than there are menand I think it's like come on,
bros, like let's get into thegym, you got to keep up.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
We did a we every January.
We're like run through asynopsis of our clients and
we're at a 70, 30 now.
Men, women to men yeah,business, I was thinking it's
going to be like 90 10, right?
Personal training very tapu formen.
Women are more likely to askfor help than a guy, is it's
(21:12):
just true.
Yeah, but you're seeing somemen hop into it and do it, but
they're still like thatdisconnect like I.
I can just go to Planet Fitnessor LA and show up and do my
workout and they end up justbenching twice and leaving or
they just think that it's moreokay for them to not work out
Like you see a lot more.
(21:34):
This is my favorite thing.
I don't know if you're married,have kids, but my entire life
because I've been in this realmfor a long time my clients have
said wait till you get married,you're going to see that it's
all going to change and thingsare going to be different and
you're not going to be able tolook like that.
Then I got married three yearsago and then it was wait till
you have a kid.
You're not going to have timeto do this.
Yeah, I have a two-month-old.
It's way harder, don't get mewrong, but I can still watch
(21:57):
what I.
I'm like it just damn right theexcuses, guys.
It's just it's getting old.
Pop belly is not fun.
No one likes it, it ain't goodfor you.
So how do we speak to mendirectly to say hey, it's okay
to ask for help.
You're a freaking olympian andyou will hire coaches to listen
(22:17):
to you, right?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
hell, yeah, dude, I feel like getting coaching is
like the best thing that you canever do, like, and yes, sure,
I'm like to some degree, yes,I'm a coach and so I believe it.
Yes, but as an athlete, likehaving a different perspective
to look at my squat and say, hey, actually I think maybe this
(22:39):
variation would be better foryou long-term.
Like, oh shit, maybe I didndidn't, maybe I've never been
exposed to that variation, maybeI have and I just haven't
incorporated because I hatedoing it, because I suck at it,
and but like, somebody else isgoing to write it on the program
, like, well, that that's whatI'm paying for and that's that's
kind of what I'm doing today.
It is what it is, um, and soyou, just you have a third party
(23:02):
that's looking at you as as,like you're, they're not
successful if you're notsuccessful.
And so like if I have a clientand they're doing and they're
lifting, like that's my faultand so like it's not in
anybody's best interest to haveyou not lifting well and not
being successful.
And like having somebody inyour team you not lifting well
(23:24):
and not being successful.
And like having somebody inyour team in your corner every
like.
I don't know, like some peopleallow 24-hour texting, right,
some people like depends ontheir, your coach or whatever.
But like you have somebodywho's constantly in your corner,
like you can see weekly, getout of here, like where else do
you get that in life?
Like you don't get that and yougo, you show up to work and
you're just expected to work andyou're not congratulated.
It's just like you show up andyou do your job and that's great
(23:45):
, that's fine, whatever.
But it's also at this, like youworking on you, you like, if
you know you're showing up to bebetter and you're improving and
you're looking at new Googledrives and like you still want
that, like you know that that,that, like validation that man
I'm like the work that I'm doingis being recognized.
Like that, like validation thatman I'm like the work that I'm
doing is being recognized.
Like your works that you'redoing inside of the gym will be
(24:06):
recognized by somebody else, andso or you know that.
Okay, that's one mentality.
The other mentality is just someaccountability.
Like man, I've been consistentfor three months and then I
always fall off.
I'm consistent for three monthsand then I fall off.
Well then, just hire a coachand then you're not given that
opportunity to take a break.
Like those breaks arecalculated, they're specific to
you Like.
And then you can also like heyman, my coach, I am not feeling
(24:29):
well today, or whatever.
And then that person, ifthey're a good coach, they'll
make those adjustments for yourprogram and like either you are
showing up and you're just doing50% of what you were supposed
to do, or you know you're you'rejust skipping a week cause you
need to deload.
Like you have somebody who'sthere as just your professional
like advice individual for forhealth and fitness, and there's
(24:52):
a better way to say that.
But it is what it is.
So like, uh, I can just I can'temphasize more like the best
coaches in the world havecoaches.
You know.
Like the the best athletes inthe world have coaches.
You know like it comes in theworld, have coaches.
You know like it comes.
Like what do you do?
Why do you think that you'reany better than the person who's
getting paid hundreds ofmillions of dollars to go play
(25:13):
basketball, football or whatever?
They have coaches.
You think you're better Get outof here.
Like, come on, come on.
I'm sure you had a coach foreach specific type of thing you
were doing come on, I'm sure youhad a coach for each specific
type of thing you were doing 100.
Like I've had business coaches,I've had, uh, health and
fitness coaches, I've had powerlifting coaches, I've had
crossfit coaches.
Like I need help.
(25:33):
I don't know everything and Idon't want to know everything.
Like what a terrible lifeyou're like.
I want to know what I know andthen be able to help.
Like ask others for help tomake my life better.
Like it's the most bougie thing.
And I think in the fuckingworld, like you can pay somebody
else for their expertise.
You pay a CPA, you pay anattorney.
Go pay a coach.
(25:54):
Like there's no difference, youknow.
Like good coaches are thatwell-educated?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
and like go get a good coach and you can learn
from it.
And right, that's the.
I love this quote I heard on.
I'm going to butcher it crazy,but whatever you'll get the
point of it, the one thingpeople can't take away from you
is what you learn.
So you can start a business.
You can start a health andfitness program and you can fail
(26:22):
at it.
You can go bankrupt, you canend up broke Like life just
punches you in the face, but youlearned something, so therefore
you can get back there wayquicker.
Just spend the time and moneyto learn.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I love that.
I love it, but it's okay.
But we get the idea Likethere's so much, like you get to
hold on to that one thing, likethey can take away your house,
they can take away your, your,you know your car, if you get
repo, they can take you know allthese other things.
But you know they can't takeaway the things that are inside
your head and like, if youreally do good, do a good job
reading and learning and using,like having mentors and having
(27:00):
people around you that that areliving maybe the life you want,
maybe a piece of the life thatyou want, um, maybe they're
super good at fitness butthey're broke.
Well, you know, maybe, maybethere's maybe another coach, uh
or um, you can learn from thatspecific thing.
Like I want to learn health andfitness from this person.
Like you can, you can find thatperson and then, like you take
that with you for the rest ofyour life how valuable you know
(27:23):
You're not just paying for thatmoment.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You're paying for the benefits for the rest of your
life.
Mic drop no, that's a great wayto wrap it up.
But anyway, ben, I do want tostart wrapping this show up.
So, first question I'm going toask you and I want you to take
(27:49):
this a step further this Iusually ask summarize episode in
one sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Summarize your podcast topic wise, like your
takeaways from your podcast, inone or two sentences in regards
to topics, my, these are mythree and these are what I've
been saying for a long time.
So my podcast focuses on health, fitness and entrepreneurship.
(28:12):
Everybody has a road to healthand fitness, and I think that
the tools and skills that arelearned in the gym are
transferable to every part ofour lives.
And so, yes, there's a widerange of individuals, but most
of those people I've met throughthe gym, most of those people
I've met through health andfitness, I competed for Team USA
(28:34):
with them.
I, you know, have done whatever, but everybody has a path
through health and fitness, andthe transferable skills that
you'll get from there will makeyou an infinitely better human
long term.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I love that, couldn't agree more.
And the second question how canpeople find you get a hold of
you learn?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
more.
So my podcast name is BenThinking, just like it sounds.
My first name is Ben.
So Ben Thinking.
And you guys can also find meon Instagram at Ben Navarro.
If you're watching on videothen it says it right there
Navarro, n-e-v-a-r-r-o-s.
And then, yeah, go listen tothe podcast.
(29:13):
And then IEHealthco.
You guys already have probablya pretty good coach here with
Anthony, but if you guys areever just want to have a
conversation, you guys canalways reach out at IE health
dot C.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, love it, Ben.
Thank you for coming on.
Thank you guys for listeningthis week's episode of health
and fitness redefined.
Don't forget to share this show.
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It's the only way we grow.
Thank you guys, so much forlistening.
Don't forget fitness andmedicine.
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