December 2, 2025 • 34 mins
What if aging isn’t decline but the door to becoming who you were meant to be? That’s the heart of our conversation with educator and author Suzanne Eden, who at 87 shares a candid, hard-won perspective on health, purpose, and wholeness. We unpack the critical difference between curing and healing, why trauma and lifelong pressure can show up as physical illness, and how a purely biomedical approach often misses the deeper work that restores integrity to the whole self.
Suzanne takes us through her turning point: years on prednisone, the toll it took on diabetes and cognition, and the brave, painstaking taper that followed. That season reshaped her understanding of health and opened her to practices once dismissed as “woo-woo”—energy work, plant wisdom, and contemplative tools that support the body while honoring the mind and spirit. We explore holism without hype, grounding big ideas in practical habits that actually move the needle.
We also reclaim aging as a gift. Suzanne explains how later life grants perspective, boundary-setting, and the freedom to stop performing roles that never fit. We talk about elders as keepers of stories, why culture needs their wisdom, and how to build on strengths instead of obsessing over flaws. Two tools stand out: a transformational journaling practice that turns reflection into insight, and meditation that restores calm, attention, and choice.
If you’re curious about reimagining health, healing from the inside, and living fully as you age, this conversation offers grounded hope and actionable practices. Dive in, then explore Suzanne’s book Healing From The Inside: Living Fully As You Age and her blog and newsletter at susanneeden.com. If this resonates, follow the show, share with a friend, and leave a review to help others find it.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andtoday we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Suzanne Eden, and uhshe spent her career providing
leadership to educators acrossCanada as a teacher, an author,
a consultant, and staffdeveloper.
Among her achievements, she'sthe past president of the
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Canadian Association for YoungChildren and her past chair of
the Board of Governors, SenecaCollege, Toronto, Ontario.
Now she's 87.
Well, I never would have pickedher 87.
Beautiful.
She shares her personal story ofhealing and personal
transformation in her book,Healing from the Inside, Living
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Fully As You Age, published inDecember 2023.
Suzanne, welcome to the show.
How are you doing today?
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Well, thank you very much for having me, Joel.
I'm delighted to uh to join you,and I am doing great.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
We've been actually having a nice little
conversation here.
And uh, you know, it'sinteresting.
I've had lately in the lastmaybe six months a number of
Canadian guests, and um, itseems that health is definitely
uh uh uh an important topic upthere in the Great White North.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Well, I think it's a universal topic, and um when I
think about health and healing,um I I look at um the way we've
been conditioned to believeabout health.
We need to reimagine what it isto be healthy.
I think that's the essentialthing, and it we just don't get
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it.
Healing in Western medicine isall about physical healing, and
healing that is lasting is notsimply physical.
It is body, it is mind, and itis spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
100%.
And in fact, I don't even thinkin Western medicine that they
really so much focus on healingas they do on treating a
condition and you know managingit rather than actually curing
it.
I don't see a whole lot ofcuring going on in Western
medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (02:34):
No, I I look at one of the things that changed my
life was when I understood thedifference between finding a
cure and healing.
And they are not the same thing.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Right.
Indeed.
Indeed.
Well, I really um as as we beganour discussion prior to
recording, we have a whole lotin common.
But one thing I really like toget to, I think it's important
with all of my new guests,especially, is you know, to hear
your story about how you came tothis place.
You know, you're you're in your80s, which is you know
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remarkable for a lot of people,although more and more I as I
I'm I'm hitting 60 this year, soI'm like, you know, 80 doesn't
seem to be far fetched anymore.
When I was 20, I didn't think Iwas gonna make it to 30.
And when I was 30, I didn't makeit, think I was gonna make it to
40.
And here I am crawling up on 60,and I'm like, ah, I'll be here
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till 120 now.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Well, this summer I was uh I spent 10 days in Italy
on a photography and wellness umprogram, and all of the
participants were much younger,they were 40s, 50s, and maybe
60s.
And about the very first time wesat down together, there was a
woman coming to her 60thbirthday, and she was really
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convinced the world had ended.
And I started to laugh, and Isaid, I don't even remember that
long ago.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:05):
So um uh yeah, age is age is a number, but it is
more than that.
And I one of the things in mybook that I really um that is a
central theme is that aging is agift.
Yes, it's not this, oh God,we're you know, it must be old
age, I can't do this, and Ican't, it is really a gift.
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And I come to that because ofthe many friends, the beautiful
friends that I lost who neverhad the privilege of old age.
And uh I I feel very stronglyabout that.
Women who looked afterthemselves, who didn't uh, you
know, who did exercises, who atewell, did all those things, and
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still did not have thatprivilege to become old.
So happens so often.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
So tell me a little bit about you know what you
consider to be health, you know.
Um, there's so many elementsthat a lot of sort of mainstream
people would classify as, youknow, if you meet all these
requirements and you're healthy.
Yeah.
Um and what's what's yourpicture of of health?
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I I know, you know, coming fromwhere I just came from, you
know, I went from I thought Iwas a healthy guy to all of a
sudden, you know, you got stagefour cancer, to I'm looking at
things a whole different waynow.
And I'm curious where where yourperspective is as far as, you
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know, what are the elements ofhealth for you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Okay.
Um to just go back to where youasked me how I came to be into
art.
Oh, yeah, yeah, because thatreally defines how I look at
health and what health means tome today.
Um I was one of these people whodid 10,000 things every day and
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thrived on being busy.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
And uh I often say if I were to write my biography,
it would be called madly off inall directions because I was
for, you know, I just I'vealways been interested in many
things.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So I had enough birthday, by the way.
SPEAKER_02 (06:23):
When is my birthday?
The 15th of October.
I just turned 87 a couple amonth ago, two months ago.
SPEAKER_00 (06:29):
Took me as maybe a Gemini, but not so much.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
No, I'm a Libra.
I'm all about balance.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
All right, fair enough.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
And that runs through all of my work.
Anyway, so um to make a longstory short, because I I tell
the story in my book, and thatwas hard to do, um, to come
public, to go public with who Iam and who I have been and who I
am becoming, um, and what hadled me through all that journey.
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So, because of health concerns,and I knew I was burning myself
out to use that phrase, but Idon't even like that phrase,
burn yourself out.
Um, what I think it is, is thatthe traumas and the hurts and
the wounds that we suffer overour lifetime build to a point
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where we can no longer toleratethat.
And I really am convincedthrough my own experience of
healing that there comes a pointwhen it manifests when those
deep um wounds and injuriesmanifest themselves as physical
illness.
And that's a very differentthing than Western medicine that
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looks at, you know, a part failslike it's a car, you know.
So your transmission goes, youget a new one, you stick it in,
and away you go.
Um the other thing that that umI when I when I was, you know,
um I'm I'm kind of ramblinghere, but when when I was
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growing up and through my adultlife, the doctor knew what what
was to be done and you followedwhat the doctor said.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Um it was not a partnership.
You were there to find out fromthe doctor what you should do.
And of course, I had been tomany doctors, nobody could seem
to heal me.
I had serious chronic disorders,I developed diabetes, um, and I
managed diabetes until I was puton prednisone for what was
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initially diagnosed as lupus,and then the diagnosis was
changed to polymyalgramatica.
And I was put on prednisone andleft on prednisone for 12 years,
and it was killing me.
It didn't do any good after avery short time, and it is one
of the worst drugs that adiabetic can take.
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In fact, it probably is, um, andit affects everything.
It isn't just physical, itaffected my mind.
My I had to take earlyretirement from um teaching at
the university to um uh to focuson my health, and um that's when
I came to a point where I hadbeen requesting that I be taken
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off prednisone, and um they saidif I did my body would shut down
and that would be it, I woulddie.
So I made up my mind.
I talked to my husband, and hewas very supportive of me, and I
said, I don't know what's goingto happen, but I'm going to get
off it.
And I took myself off, and itwas brutal.
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I spent over a year, I came downcrumb by crumb, not a half a
tablet or anything like that.
Just and every time I dropped alittle teeny bit more, I would
go through what I came to callmy prednisone days, which were
um everything ached, even myeyeballs sometimes.
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And they would last fromanywhere from two days to two
weeks.
But what I came to understandand to feel was that in time
it's sorted out.
So the long and short of it wasit was going through all of that
journey that sent me on the pathto realize that what I was
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getting from our the medicalcommunity, and I had wonderful
caring doctors, don't get mewrong.
Um, but it wasn't it wasn't theanswer, that there was something
else that I needed, and that'swhen I started to investigate
alternatives.
And uh initially with a lot ofskepticism, because that's what
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we were conditioned to believe,that this was all just kind of
some bit of woo-woo.
And that is still the message,and I'm interested in the many
times in the television programsthat people who look at energy
healing or other alternativesare laughed at.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
And and there's a very popular uh series recently
on Netflix, uh Frankie andwhatever her name is, and with
Jane Fonda, where her partnerLily Tomlins is uh is into that
stuff, and it's and it's thejoke of the whole show, and
that's wrong.
Yeah, absolutely wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (11:26):
Um I couldn't agree more.
I I've I've experienced too manythings on an energetic level and
a spiritual level and and and ona physical level, even with all
those things, working with plantmedicines and and alternative,
you know, they call italternative, but actually they
it's not alternative, it's anit's another.
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Well, and it's it's actually theoriginal medicine, you know.
Yes.
Everything was plant-based,everything was natural based,
and it went all the way back tohistory when we sort of found
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our way to things that helped.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
Yes, yes, and and um that's that's where I what I
came to eventually.
And it was interesting to me inin oh around maybe 2010, in that
time period when I started uh toto really begin to function and
to come back to it.
And what I was finding was I'dalways believed in a holistic
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approach.
I believe in holism veryintensely within myself.
I believe that the body is awhole, and I believe that the
planet is a whole.
We are part of something muchlarger than ourselves as
individuals.
So when I began to get intothat, I found that even people
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who were looking at what theycalled either alternative or
complementary treatments, theytalked a lot about the mind, but
almost never about the spirit.
And with we leave that part out,we've left out the most
beautiful and most fundamentalpart of what it is to be a
human, is to have so true.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
It's like when the spirit leaves the body is when
you die.
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
And nobody bothers to pay attention to that part.
And I'm like, wait a minute,that's the thing that makes you
be a human being that's alive.
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
It is, it is indeed.
It is indeed.
So that's where I started to getinto the idea of looking at the
whole body and what what so soagain, if we think about health,
um, the health of the spirit, ifyou will, this um I call it the
fractured self in my book.
When we fracture ourselves intoa body, a mind, and a spirit, if
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we even have a spirit, um, thenthe that that connection that is
essential to making us who weare is lost.
And it's the healing is reallythe restoring of the connection
between all those three parts ofwho we are as a person.
And who we who we were.
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The other thing that fascinatesme is why am I why was I given
the particular gifts ofpersonality and quality and
experience that I've been given?
And why were you given thatpackage of stuff that makes you
Joe?
And why was I given, you know,like what were you meant to be?
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What were you given those for?
And and that is really so it'sit's who we ought who we are
ought to become.
And I so then when I talk aboutaging as a gift, I say it can be
the time when we have uh theopportunity, the final
opportunity to become who weought to be.
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And that's what it means to livefully is when we become who we
were intended to be.
SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
I love that.
And you know, it it just sohappens that as you get a little
bit older, oftentimes you havethe time to share with others
these things that you've learnedand make kind of the way it's
supposed to be.
SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
Yes, and that has again been lost.
And and we look at our media,for example, the um older people
are are often more uh ridiculedthan they are respected.
And um again, in in my book Italk about you know, it was a
time and there are stillcultures in which um the elderly
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are venerated.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (15:49):
And they are looked to as the source of telling the
stories, of bringing the storiesforward.
And uh so it in a way that wasmotivation for me writing the
book was that I had gone throughso much and found everything
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was, you know, so much in thisfield, people would write about
one thing, very specific thing.
And often it was physical.
Um, and if if it wasn't, theymight talk about the mind-body
connection, but not the spirit.
Am I jiggling too much?
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
No, no, no, you're doing fine.
SPEAKER_02 (16:32):
I just put my coffee and it was I don't sit still and
I No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
You're just fine.
That was all me.
I I I was just being disruptive.
SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Uh-oh.
But uh anyway, I've lost mytrade of thought here.
But I think that um that we weneed to come back to to some of
that thinking about us beingwhole and that it's it's not
it's a it is a whole longjourney.
We never get there.
Right.
We we are always on the on thegetting there.
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And what I love and what I sayin my book is, you know, instead
of thinking of, gosh, I'mgetting old, so I'm over the
hill, we're looking at, hey,what possibilities are there
still there for learning, forgrowing, for for living?
SPEAKER_00 (17:21):
It's so true.
And and so um it's interestingbecause when you're a child,
there are things you can do as achild that you can't do when
you're old.
Yeah.
Then as you get to be a uh ateenager, there's things you can
do as a teenager that youcouldn't do as a child.
SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
And then as you get to be an elder, there's also
things you can do as an elderthat you couldn't do as any of
the other times.
So what what is it that youfound are your superpowers now
that you're able to do?
SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Well, I think one of them is to be myself.
Uh-huh.
Um, I'm not trying to fit intoroles that everybody else
created for me, but I didn'tunderstand that until it is a
very new understanding for me.
Um and, you know, again, I tellthis in my book about my own
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journey because of the some ofthe trauma experiences I went
through as a child, I had noself-confidence.
Um, I've always been social, butI I always felt that I didn't
fit in, that I didn't belong.
Uh, I look, I thought of myselfas being very ugly, homely, um,
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not having any of that.
And yet, even no matter howsuccessful I became in my
career, it never, it neverreached deep within me to give
me the satisfaction and the joyit should have.
And so it's when I when Istarted to get into all of this,
uh, what I call in in my workthe transformate my
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transformational journal.
That's what changed my lifetotally.
And I'm I'm I'm happier, I'mmore content with who I am.
Uh, I know, I know what I'm notgood at.
I know when I can be a realbitch.
Not too often anymore, but Icertainly can be when I, you
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know, at times it doesn't botherme anymore.
That's who I am.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
But you know, there's something about that
that's important.
It's not necessarily somethingthat you want to wear on your
sleeve and and be the firstthing that people see, but it's
it's a a protection mechanismand it's a place to lay
boundaries.
And, you know, um as people getolder, a lot of times I think
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they get taken advantage of orthey get tried to be taken
advantage of.
And I think that that's a toolthat you have to lay the law
down that says, well, not here,not now, not yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:59):
That's right.
And you know, to get back tothat idea of what are the
qualities that I are or what arethe things that I have now to
give.
And and I think that the wisdomof the experience, the wisdom of
of um taking, I think what whatwhat I've been able to do is to
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really do that deepself-examining.
We're often afraid of it.
And I I'm amazed at how manytimes I will get an insight into
something that I've thoughtabout all my life and never
understood, and suddenly it isas clear as can be.
And that's the that's when Iwhen I look at when I reread
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parts of my book, I will think,my gosh, why would I not have
seen that 40 years ago?
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
And I didn't is kind of an interesting tool that we
don't really think about, youknow.
Like you were saying when youwere younger, you were just
going, going, going.
And you know, I I think a lot ofus are guilty of that.
And when you're down in thetrenches, you don't see where
you are.
And you know, that's why the theleaders, you know, tend to sit
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up on top of the hill and not doso much of the doing because
they need to be able to watchand see the perspective of how's
all these things fittingtogether.
But when you get a little older,sometimes you get that ability
to look back and and you know, Idon't know about you, but I've
always been pretty hard onmyself and and always like, you
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know, you could do more.
Why didn't you get that done?
You know, and and and then yourun into somebody that you
haven't seen for a long time,and they go, Wow, look what
you've done.
And you're like, oh, always yousee that, you know, and so
sometimes that perspective Ithink is a a powerful tool to
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actually give you a taste of ofthe the holistic reality of you
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know, you people talk about Godand and you know the ability to
see the end from the beginningor the beginning from the end,
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and you know, that all has to dowith perspective and the ability
to you know look out across thewhole thing.
So I think it's kind of a cool,a cool bit.
SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Well, you talk about um you know uh being hard on
yourself.
I mean, I don't know anybodywho's happy with who they are.
You talk to people and we alwayssee all our faults.
When I when I I've I've beenworking on a uh um a book on the
transformational journal, andactually it will be a
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transformational journal thatpeople can take and use um to go
through the journey.
And it it's it guides differentthings.
And and one of the things I sayin that is we don't build
something, uh we don't goforward by looking backwards.
And so instead of trying to lookat, oh, what are all the things
I need to change, we look atwhat are my strengths, what are
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the things that have given givenme the successes I've had, and
let me build on those.
And when we when we build onthose, we let go of a lot of the
weaknesses, and and I just thinkthat that is such a powerful
idea, and so that's you know,that's that's work, that's the
next piece of work that I'm I'mI'm doing.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
I love that.
So you you published this bookjust a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
I actually did, I actually did it two years ago,
the first edition, but I wasn'thappy with the presentation of
it, nor with the fact that it itum people seem to take from it
more of the health than of theaging.
And it's both, it is both,because I'm speaking as an
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87-year-old, and I'm speaking topeople who are coming into that
last stage of life.
So I reissued it just this uhpast month.
Oh nice, yeah, so it is it.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
So did you have a um a history of writing, or was
this something new for you?
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
No, I I've I worked in educational publishing when I
was a young teacher.
I worked full-time, I had manyopportunities to go back to um
to um working in the publishingindustry.
I've written a lot of stuff, butall of it was on education.
Okay, dealing with health was avery different uh venture for
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me.
And I I try and be very carefulto say that uh often in my
writing that I am not a medicaldoctor.
I'm actually a doctor ofeducation.
And uh uh education was mypassion.
I uh when I did my doctoralstudies late in my life, I
started out as a practitioner,as a grade one teacher, and uh
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went uh, you know, I did theopposite of many academics who
you know spend the first 25years of their life studying.
Uh I went out and did, and thenI came back to understand it.
And um, and um so uh, but thisis my first attempt at um
something to do with health.
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And I do a blog every two weeks,uh, which I've had me a lot of
success with.
It's on my website, and I do anewsletter.
Uh, so I am quite busy, and um,I'm getting a lot of good
feedback on on both of those.
SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
And so the book um you've just re-re-released it,
and you you've modified yourmessage a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Um yes, I extended it to include more about the
relationship between health andaging.
Oh the re the reimagining ofboth.
Reimagining what it is to ageand reimagining what health is.
I think that those those are thetwo kind of underpinnings of the
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whole uh book.
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
Nice.
Well, as I suspected, ourconversation was going to take
the edge of the time.
And unfortunately, people justhave the attention span of a
gnat these days.
So I I try to keep these showsdown to you know a consumable
amount, but I would certainly,as we talked about before, um,
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welcome you to come back and andshare more of your thoughts and
your wisdom.
Um, and I just realized I have acopy of your book that was that
I was given.
So I'm gonna be reading thatshortly, and um, I'm looking
forward to uh to to lookingthrough your eyes in this.
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Do you think that of all theseelements that you've been
sharing, that you have sort of acentral message that you want to
share with our listeners?
SPEAKER_02 (28:45):
Uh yes, and and that's a hard thing to do.
Um, I guess what I say is uhthere's more to getting old,
more to aging than getting old.
And take it what we have to dois take responsibility for uh
our our health and our the waythat we live.
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And by taking responsibility andhealing the whole self, um, we
can become who we are meant tobe.
And that is fulfillment.
That we talk, I I just did ablog recently, I think it'll be
out in some of some magazinewithin the next month.
And I I'm sorry, I forget whichone, but um, I talk about what
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it means to live fully, and tolive fully is to really become
who you are meant to be, to usethose gifts and talents that
make up your life andexperiences to become the person
that you were intended to be,and that's fulfillment.
It's not about having things ordoing things, it's about being.
SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
I love that.
That's a beautiful message.
Well, I always like to give ourguests an opportunity to share
with the listeners how they canbe reached and all how they can
find all your all yourinformation and your book and
everything.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about how we can find
you and and and your work?
SPEAKER_02 (30:09):
Okay.
Um, this is my book, Healingfrom the Inside, um, Living
Fully as You Age.
And um, it's available uh onAmazon.
Um and it's also uh I I believeuh it will it is also available
through Barnes and Noble and andother distributors uh in Canada
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through Indigo.
Um my website is uh uh SuzanneEden, S-U-S-A-N-N-E, E-D-E-N.
So there's two S two N's and twoE's dot com.
And if you go to my website, youwill find a gallery.
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I've just uh I was telling uhyou Joe earlier, I've just this
morning um uploaded onto thegallery um a video that I've
done with a very close friend ofmine who is has stage four
cancer.
Um, and she talks about thejourney of healing and what it
has meant to her and what deathand dying means to her and how
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she is prepared.
She is she meets it with suchdignity and grace.
It is it is a beautiful video.
So those are on my website.
Uh it's suzanneden.com.
Uh, and so you can get it onAmazon.
SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
Beautiful.
Well, I'm looking forward to uhuh experiencing that.
As I told you, I've we share soa lot of things in common, and
and uh I always like to hearother people's point of view
when they go through a similarexperience.
And uh, you know, there's likeyou said, uh grace and dignity
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in the face of adversity issomething that is really
powerful, and uh it's definitelyinspiring.
And you know, hopefully ourlisteners will find inspiration
in the words and the ideas thatyou bring to us.
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
Yes, also I should say if you're interested in the
blog, if you go to my website,the link is there to sign up for
both the newsletter and theblog.
And I take the different umaspects and different themes
from healing, uh, from theinside, uh, living fully as you
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age.
Um, I take the different themesfor the blog and I expand on
different points that I make inthe book into my blogs.
And uh the feedback has beenreally, really great from well,
I'm looking forward to uhexperiencing it for myself.
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
And uh, Suzanne, it's just been a pleasure uh
sharing this conversation withyou.
And again, I would like toinvite you to come back and and
continue this one day wheneveryou're up for it.
I just want to thank you forbeing here with us today.
SPEAKER_02 (33:02):
Well, I would love to come back.
I would love to talk more aboutthe transformational journal
because I think that's um againuh a little different idea of
journaling and the importancethat that is probably the that
and meditation um are the twotools that change my life.
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And I am in better healthphysically, mentally, and
spiritually today than I was 30years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
I love that.
I would love to have thatconversation.
I speak often about uhjournaling as a as a powerful
tool.
I I don't always do shows withguests.
Sometimes I just go and rambleon myself, but a lot of the
things that I do talk about isthe value of journaling.
And I I've journaled all mylife, and um it's I I very
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seldom go back and read what Iwrote, but it doesn't matter
because the act of writing itembeds it into your head in a
way that typing doesn't do,talking about it doesn't do.
There's a a certain magic aboutwriting, putting pen to paper.
So I I would love to continuethe conversation and get into
that.
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
My my thought is writing my book is about that
part of my book is about writingfor understanding.
It's how we come to understandwhat's happening.
I would love to come back, Joe.
You just let me know when youwant me.
And I thank you very much for awonderful discussion this
morning.
And I I welcome all of yourreaders to join me in my journey
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and uh and uh find that innersense of well-being and peace
and and um confidence inyourself.
Let's let's let's have let'shope, let's have confidence in
ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
I couldn't agree more.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andI want to thank all of the
guests who make this showpossible, and we will see you
next time.
SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
Thank you, Joe.
Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andtoday we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Suzanne Eden, and uhshe spent her career providing
leadership to educators acrossCanada as a teacher, an author,
a consultant, and staffdeveloper.
Among her achievements, she'sthe past president of the
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Canadian Association for YoungChildren and her past chair of
the Board of Governors, SenecaCollege, Toronto, Ontario.
Now she's 87.
Well, I never would have pickedher 87.
Beautiful.
She shares her personal story ofhealing and personal
transformation in her book,Healing from the Inside, Living
(01:04):
Fully As You Age, published inDecember 2023.
Suzanne, welcome to the show.
How are you doing today?
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Well, thank you very much for having me, Joel.
I'm delighted to uh to join you,and I am doing great.
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
We've been actually having a nice little
conversation here.
And uh, you know, it'sinteresting.
I've had lately in the lastmaybe six months a number of
Canadian guests, and um, itseems that health is definitely
uh uh uh an important topic upthere in the Great White North.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Well, I think it's a universal topic, and um when I
think about health and healing,um I I look at um the way we've
been conditioned to believeabout health.
We need to reimagine what it isto be healthy.
I think that's the essentialthing, and it we just don't get
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it.
Healing in Western medicine isall about physical healing, and
healing that is lasting is notsimply physical.
It is body, it is mind, and itis spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
100%.
And in fact, I don't even thinkin Western medicine that they
really so much focus on healingas they do on treating a
condition and you know managingit rather than actually curing
it.
I don't see a whole lot ofcuring going on in Western
medicine.
SPEAKER_02 (02:34):
No, I I look at one of the things that changed my
life was when I understood thedifference between finding a
cure and healing.
And they are not the same thing.
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
Right.
Indeed.
Indeed.
Well, I really um as as we beganour discussion prior to
recording, we have a whole lotin common.
But one thing I really like toget to, I think it's important
with all of my new guests,especially, is you know, to hear
your story about how you came tothis place.
You know, you're you're in your80s, which is you know
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remarkable for a lot of people,although more and more I as I
I'm I'm hitting 60 this year, soI'm like, you know, 80 doesn't
seem to be far fetched anymore.
When I was 20, I didn't think Iwas gonna make it to 30.
And when I was 30, I didn't makeit, think I was gonna make it to
40.
And here I am crawling up on 60,and I'm like, ah, I'll be here
(03:28):
till 120 now.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Well, this summer I was uh I spent 10 days in Italy
on a photography and wellness umprogram, and all of the
participants were much younger,they were 40s, 50s, and maybe
60s.
And about the very first time wesat down together, there was a
woman coming to her 60thbirthday, and she was really
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convinced the world had ended.
And I started to laugh, and Isaid, I don't even remember that
long ago.
SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:05):
So um uh yeah, age is age is a number, but it is
more than that.
And I one of the things in mybook that I really um that is a
central theme is that aging is agift.
Yes, it's not this, oh God,we're you know, it must be old
age, I can't do this, and Ican't, it is really a gift.
(04:28):
And I come to that because ofthe many friends, the beautiful
friends that I lost who neverhad the privilege of old age.
And uh I I feel very stronglyabout that.
Women who looked afterthemselves, who didn't uh, you
know, who did exercises, who atewell, did all those things, and
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still did not have thatprivilege to become old.
So happens so often.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
So tell me a little bit about you know what you
consider to be health, you know.
Um, there's so many elementsthat a lot of sort of mainstream
people would classify as, youknow, if you meet all these
requirements and you're healthy.
Yeah.
Um and what's what's yourpicture of of health?
(05:18):
I I know, you know, coming fromwhere I just came from, you
know, I went from I thought Iwas a healthy guy to all of a
sudden, you know, you got stagefour cancer, to I'm looking at
things a whole different waynow.
And I'm curious where where yourperspective is as far as, you
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know, what are the elements ofhealth for you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Okay.
Um to just go back to where youasked me how I came to be into
art.
Oh, yeah, yeah, because thatreally defines how I look at
health and what health means tome today.
Um I was one of these people whodid 10,000 things every day and
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thrived on being busy.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
And uh I often say if I were to write my biography,
it would be called madly off inall directions because I was
for, you know, I just I'vealways been interested in many
things.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
So I had enough birthday, by the way.
SPEAKER_02 (06:23):
When is my birthday?
The 15th of October.
I just turned 87 a couple amonth ago, two months ago.
SPEAKER_00 (06:29):
Took me as maybe a Gemini, but not so much.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
No, I'm a Libra.
I'm all about balance.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
All right, fair enough.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
And that runs through all of my work.
Anyway, so um to make a longstory short, because I I tell
the story in my book, and thatwas hard to do, um, to come
public, to go public with who Iam and who I have been and who I
am becoming, um, and what hadled me through all that journey.
(07:01):
So, because of health concerns,and I knew I was burning myself
out to use that phrase, but Idon't even like that phrase,
burn yourself out.
Um, what I think it is, is thatthe traumas and the hurts and
the wounds that we suffer overour lifetime build to a point
(07:22):
where we can no longer toleratethat.
And I really am convincedthrough my own experience of
healing that there comes a pointwhen it manifests when those
deep um wounds and injuriesmanifest themselves as physical
illness.
And that's a very differentthing than Western medicine that
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looks at, you know, a part failslike it's a car, you know.
So your transmission goes, youget a new one, you stick it in,
and away you go.
Um the other thing that that umI when I when I was, you know,
um I'm I'm kind of ramblinghere, but when when I was
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growing up and through my adultlife, the doctor knew what what
was to be done and you followedwhat the doctor said.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Um it was not a partnership.
You were there to find out fromthe doctor what you should do.
And of course, I had been tomany doctors, nobody could seem
to heal me.
I had serious chronic disorders,I developed diabetes, um, and I
managed diabetes until I was puton prednisone for what was
(08:38):
initially diagnosed as lupus,and then the diagnosis was
changed to polymyalgramatica.
And I was put on prednisone andleft on prednisone for 12 years,
and it was killing me.
It didn't do any good after avery short time, and it is one
of the worst drugs that adiabetic can take.
(08:59):
In fact, it probably is, um, andit affects everything.
It isn't just physical, itaffected my mind.
My I had to take earlyretirement from um teaching at
the university to um uh to focuson my health, and um that's when
I came to a point where I hadbeen requesting that I be taken
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off prednisone, and um they saidif I did my body would shut down
and that would be it, I woulddie.
So I made up my mind.
I talked to my husband, and hewas very supportive of me, and I
said, I don't know what's goingto happen, but I'm going to get
off it.
And I took myself off, and itwas brutal.
(09:47):
I spent over a year, I came downcrumb by crumb, not a half a
tablet or anything like that.
Just and every time I dropped alittle teeny bit more, I would
go through what I came to callmy prednisone days, which were
um everything ached, even myeyeballs sometimes.
(10:07):
And they would last fromanywhere from two days to two
weeks.
But what I came to understandand to feel was that in time
it's sorted out.
So the long and short of it wasit was going through all of that
journey that sent me on the pathto realize that what I was
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getting from our the medicalcommunity, and I had wonderful
caring doctors, don't get mewrong.
Um, but it wasn't it wasn't theanswer, that there was something
else that I needed, and that'swhen I started to investigate
alternatives.
And uh initially with a lot ofskepticism, because that's what
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we were conditioned to believe,that this was all just kind of
some bit of woo-woo.
And that is still the message,and I'm interested in the many
times in the television programsthat people who look at energy
healing or other alternativesare laughed at.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
And and there's a very popular uh series recently
on Netflix, uh Frankie andwhatever her name is, and with
Jane Fonda, where her partnerLily Tomlins is uh is into that
stuff, and it's and it's thejoke of the whole show, and
that's wrong.
Yeah, absolutely wrong.
SPEAKER_00 (11:26):
Um I couldn't agree more.
I I've I've experienced too manythings on an energetic level and
a spiritual level and and and ona physical level, even with all
those things, working with plantmedicines and and alternative,
you know, they call italternative, but actually they
it's not alternative, it's anit's another.
(11:48):
Well, and it's it's actually theoriginal medicine, you know.
Yes.
Everything was plant-based,everything was natural based,
and it went all the way back tohistory when we sort of found
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our way to things that helped.
SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
Yes, yes, and and um that's that's where I what I
came to eventually.
And it was interesting to me inin oh around maybe 2010, in that
time period when I started uh toto really begin to function and
to come back to it.
And what I was finding was I'dalways believed in a holistic
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approach.
I believe in holism veryintensely within myself.
I believe that the body is awhole, and I believe that the
planet is a whole.
We are part of something muchlarger than ourselves as
individuals.
So when I began to get intothat, I found that even people
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who were looking at what theycalled either alternative or
complementary treatments, theytalked a lot about the mind, but
almost never about the spirit.
And with we leave that part out,we've left out the most
beautiful and most fundamentalpart of what it is to be a
human, is to have so true.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
It's like when the spirit leaves the body is when
you die.
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
And nobody bothers to pay attention to that part.
And I'm like, wait a minute,that's the thing that makes you
be a human being that's alive.
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
It is, it is indeed.
It is indeed.
So that's where I started to getinto the idea of looking at the
whole body and what what so soagain, if we think about health,
um, the health of the spirit, ifyou will, this um I call it the
fractured self in my book.
When we fracture ourselves intoa body, a mind, and a spirit, if
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we even have a spirit, um, thenthe that that connection that is
essential to making us who weare is lost.
And it's the healing is reallythe restoring of the connection
between all those three parts ofwho we are as a person.
And who we who we were.
(14:16):
The other thing that fascinatesme is why am I why was I given
the particular gifts ofpersonality and quality and
experience that I've been given?
And why were you given thatpackage of stuff that makes you
Joe?
And why was I given, you know,like what were you meant to be?
(14:38):
What were you given those for?
And and that is really so it'sit's who we ought who we are
ought to become.
And I so then when I talk aboutaging as a gift, I say it can be
the time when we have uh theopportunity, the final
opportunity to become who weought to be.
(14:59):
And that's what it means to livefully is when we become who we
were intended to be.
SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
I love that.
And you know, it it just sohappens that as you get a little
bit older, oftentimes you havethe time to share with others
these things that you've learnedand make kind of the way it's
supposed to be.
SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
Yes, and that has again been lost.
And and we look at our media,for example, the um older people
are are often more uh ridiculedthan they are respected.
And um again, in in my book Italk about you know, it was a
time and there are stillcultures in which um the elderly
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are venerated.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (15:49):
And they are looked to as the source of telling the
stories, of bringing the storiesforward.
And uh so it in a way that wasmotivation for me writing the
book was that I had gone throughso much and found everything
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was, you know, so much in thisfield, people would write about
one thing, very specific thing.
And often it was physical.
Um, and if if it wasn't, theymight talk about the mind-body
connection, but not the spirit.
Am I jiggling too much?
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
No, no, no, you're doing fine.
SPEAKER_02 (16:32):
I just put my coffee and it was I don't sit still and
I No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
You're just fine.
That was all me.
I I I was just being disruptive.
SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
Uh-oh.
But uh anyway, I've lost mytrade of thought here.
But I think that um that we weneed to come back to to some of
that thinking about us beingwhole and that it's it's not
it's a it is a whole longjourney.
We never get there.
Right.
We we are always on the on thegetting there.
(17:04):
And what I love and what I sayin my book is, you know, instead
of thinking of, gosh, I'mgetting old, so I'm over the
hill, we're looking at, hey,what possibilities are there
still there for learning, forgrowing, for for living?
SPEAKER_00 (17:21):
It's so true.
And and so um it's interestingbecause when you're a child,
there are things you can do as achild that you can't do when
you're old.
Yeah.
Then as you get to be a uh ateenager, there's things you can
do as a teenager that youcouldn't do as a child.
SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
And then as you get to be an elder, there's also
things you can do as an elderthat you couldn't do as any of
the other times.
So what what is it that youfound are your superpowers now
that you're able to do?
SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Well, I think one of them is to be myself.
Uh-huh.
Um, I'm not trying to fit intoroles that everybody else
created for me, but I didn'tunderstand that until it is a
very new understanding for me.
Um and, you know, again, I tellthis in my book about my own
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journey because of the some ofthe trauma experiences I went
through as a child, I had noself-confidence.
Um, I've always been social, butI I always felt that I didn't
fit in, that I didn't belong.
Uh, I look, I thought of myselfas being very ugly, homely, um,
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not having any of that.
And yet, even no matter howsuccessful I became in my
career, it never, it neverreached deep within me to give
me the satisfaction and the joyit should have.
And so it's when I when Istarted to get into all of this,
uh, what I call in in my workthe transformate my
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transformational journal.
That's what changed my lifetotally.
And I'm I'm I'm happier, I'mmore content with who I am.
Uh, I know, I know what I'm notgood at.
I know when I can be a realbitch.
Not too often anymore, but Icertainly can be when I, you
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know, at times it doesn't botherme anymore.
That's who I am.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
But you know, there's something about that
that's important.
It's not necessarily somethingthat you want to wear on your
sleeve and and be the firstthing that people see, but it's
it's a a protection mechanismand it's a place to lay
boundaries.
And, you know, um as people getolder, a lot of times I think
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they get taken advantage of orthey get tried to be taken
advantage of.
And I think that that's a toolthat you have to lay the law
down that says, well, not here,not now, not yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:59):
That's right.
And you know, to get back tothat idea of what are the
qualities that I are or what arethe things that I have now to
give.
And and I think that the wisdomof the experience, the wisdom of
of um taking, I think what whatwhat I've been able to do is to
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really do that deepself-examining.
We're often afraid of it.
And I I'm amazed at how manytimes I will get an insight into
something that I've thoughtabout all my life and never
understood, and suddenly it isas clear as can be.
And that's the that's when Iwhen I look at when I reread
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parts of my book, I will think,my gosh, why would I not have
seen that 40 years ago?
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
And I didn't is kind of an interesting tool that we
don't really think about, youknow.
Like you were saying when youwere younger, you were just
going, going, going.
And you know, I I think a lot ofus are guilty of that.
And when you're down in thetrenches, you don't see where
you are.
And you know, that's why the theleaders, you know, tend to sit
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up on top of the hill and not doso much of the doing because
they need to be able to watchand see the perspective of how's
all these things fittingtogether.
But when you get a little older,sometimes you get that ability
to look back and and you know, Idon't know about you, but I've
always been pretty hard onmyself and and always like, you
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know, you could do more.
Why didn't you get that done?
You know, and and and then yourun into somebody that you
haven't seen for a long time,and they go, Wow, look what
you've done.
And you're like, oh, always yousee that, you know, and so
sometimes that perspective Ithink is a a powerful tool to
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actually give you a taste of ofthe the holistic reality of you
(22:49):
know, you people talk about Godand and you know the ability to
see the end from the beginningor the beginning from the end,
(23:49):
and you know, that all has to dowith perspective and the ability
to you know look out across thewhole thing.
So I think it's kind of a cool,a cool bit.
SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Well, you talk about um you know uh being hard on
yourself.
I mean, I don't know anybodywho's happy with who they are.
You talk to people and we alwayssee all our faults.
When I when I I've I've beenworking on a uh um a book on the
transformational journal, andactually it will be a
(24:22):
transformational journal thatpeople can take and use um to go
through the journey.
And it it's it guides differentthings.
And and one of the things I sayin that is we don't build
something, uh we don't goforward by looking backwards.
And so instead of trying to lookat, oh, what are all the things
I need to change, we look atwhat are my strengths, what are
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the things that have given givenme the successes I've had, and
let me build on those.
And when we when we build onthose, we let go of a lot of the
weaknesses, and and I just thinkthat that is such a powerful
idea, and so that's you know,that's that's work, that's the
next piece of work that I'm I'mI'm doing.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
I love that.
So you you published this bookjust a couple of years ago.
SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
I actually did, I actually did it two years ago,
the first edition, but I wasn'thappy with the presentation of
it, nor with the fact that it itum people seem to take from it
more of the health than of theaging.
And it's both, it is both,because I'm speaking as an
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87-year-old, and I'm speaking topeople who are coming into that
last stage of life.
So I reissued it just this uhpast month.
Oh nice, yeah, so it is it.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
So did you have a um a history of writing, or was
this something new for you?
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
No, I I've I worked in educational publishing when I
was a young teacher.
I worked full-time, I had manyopportunities to go back to um
to um working in the publishingindustry.
I've written a lot of stuff, butall of it was on education.
Okay, dealing with health was avery different uh venture for
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me.
And I I try and be very carefulto say that uh often in my
writing that I am not a medicaldoctor.
I'm actually a doctor ofeducation.
And uh uh education was mypassion.
I uh when I did my doctoralstudies late in my life, I
started out as a practitioner,as a grade one teacher, and uh
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went uh, you know, I did theopposite of many academics who
you know spend the first 25years of their life studying.
Uh I went out and did, and thenI came back to understand it.
And um, and um so uh, but thisis my first attempt at um
something to do with health.
(27:02):
And I do a blog every two weeks,uh, which I've had me a lot of
success with.
It's on my website, and I do anewsletter.
Uh, so I am quite busy, and um,I'm getting a lot of good
feedback on on both of those.
SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
And so the book um you've just re-re-released it,
and you you've modified yourmessage a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Um yes, I extended it to include more about the
relationship between health andaging.
Oh the re the reimagining ofboth.
Reimagining what it is to ageand reimagining what health is.
I think that those those are thetwo kind of underpinnings of the
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whole uh book.
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
Nice.
Well, as I suspected, ourconversation was going to take
the edge of the time.
And unfortunately, people justhave the attention span of a
gnat these days.
So I I try to keep these showsdown to you know a consumable
amount, but I would certainly,as we talked about before, um,
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welcome you to come back and andshare more of your thoughts and
your wisdom.
Um, and I just realized I have acopy of your book that was that
I was given.
So I'm gonna be reading thatshortly, and um, I'm looking
forward to uh to to lookingthrough your eyes in this.
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Do you think that of all theseelements that you've been
sharing, that you have sort of acentral message that you want to
share with our listeners?
SPEAKER_02 (28:45):
Uh yes, and and that's a hard thing to do.
Um, I guess what I say is uhthere's more to getting old,
more to aging than getting old.
And take it what we have to dois take responsibility for uh
our our health and our the waythat we live.
(29:07):
And by taking responsibility andhealing the whole self, um, we
can become who we are meant tobe.
And that is fulfillment.
That we talk, I I just did ablog recently, I think it'll be
out in some of some magazinewithin the next month.
And I I'm sorry, I forget whichone, but um, I talk about what
(29:28):
it means to live fully, and tolive fully is to really become
who you are meant to be, to usethose gifts and talents that
make up your life andexperiences to become the person
that you were intended to be,and that's fulfillment.
It's not about having things ordoing things, it's about being.
SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
I love that.
That's a beautiful message.
Well, I always like to give ourguests an opportunity to share
with the listeners how they canbe reached and all how they can
find all your all yourinformation and your book and
everything.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about how we can find
you and and and your work?
SPEAKER_02 (30:09):
Okay.
Um, this is my book, Healingfrom the Inside, um, Living
Fully as You Age.
And um, it's available uh onAmazon.
Um and it's also uh I I believeuh it will it is also available
through Barnes and Noble and andother distributors uh in Canada
(30:32):
through Indigo.
Um my website is uh uh SuzanneEden, S-U-S-A-N-N-E, E-D-E-N.
So there's two S two N's and twoE's dot com.
And if you go to my website, youwill find a gallery.
(30:52):
I've just uh I was telling uhyou Joe earlier, I've just this
morning um uploaded onto thegallery um a video that I've
done with a very close friend ofmine who is has stage four
cancer.
Um, and she talks about thejourney of healing and what it
has meant to her and what deathand dying means to her and how
(31:16):
she is prepared.
She is she meets it with suchdignity and grace.
It is it is a beautiful video.
So those are on my website.
Uh it's suzanneden.com.
Uh, and so you can get it onAmazon.
SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
Beautiful.
Well, I'm looking forward to uhuh experiencing that.
As I told you, I've we share soa lot of things in common, and
and uh I always like to hearother people's point of view
when they go through a similarexperience.
And uh, you know, there's likeyou said, uh grace and dignity
(31:54):
in the face of adversity issomething that is really
powerful, and uh it's definitelyinspiring.
And you know, hopefully ourlisteners will find inspiration
in the words and the ideas thatyou bring to us.
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
Yes, also I should say if you're interested in the
blog, if you go to my website,the link is there to sign up for
both the newsletter and theblog.
And I take the different umaspects and different themes
from healing, uh, from theinside, uh, living fully as you
(32:29):
age.
Um, I take the different themesfor the blog and I expand on
different points that I make inthe book into my blogs.
And uh the feedback has beenreally, really great from well,
I'm looking forward to uhexperiencing it for myself.
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
And uh, Suzanne, it's just been a pleasure uh
sharing this conversation withyou.
And again, I would like toinvite you to come back and and
continue this one day wheneveryou're up for it.
I just want to thank you forbeing here with us today.
SPEAKER_02 (33:02):
Well, I would love to come back.
I would love to talk more aboutthe transformational journal
because I think that's um againuh a little different idea of
journaling and the importancethat that is probably the that
and meditation um are the twotools that change my life.
(33:24):
And I am in better healthphysically, mentally, and
spiritually today than I was 30years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
I love that.
I would love to have thatconversation.
I speak often about uhjournaling as a as a powerful
tool.
I I don't always do shows withguests.
Sometimes I just go and rambleon myself, but a lot of the
things that I do talk about isthe value of journaling.
And I I've journaled all mylife, and um it's I I very
(33:53):
seldom go back and read what Iwrote, but it doesn't matter
because the act of writing itembeds it into your head in a
way that typing doesn't do,talking about it doesn't do.
There's a a certain magic aboutwriting, putting pen to paper.
So I I would love to continuethe conversation and get into
that.
SPEAKER_02 (34:12):
My my thought is writing my book is about that
part of my book is about writingfor understanding.
It's how we come to understandwhat's happening.
I would love to come back, Joe.
You just let me know when youwant me.
And I thank you very much for awonderful discussion this
morning.
And I I welcome all of yourreaders to join me in my journey
(34:33):
and uh and uh find that innersense of well-being and peace
and and um confidence inyourself.
Let's let's let's have let'shope, let's have confidence in
ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
I couldn't agree more.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, andI want to thank all of the
guests who make this showpossible, and we will see you
next time.
SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
Thank you, Joe.
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