August 29, 2025 • 35 mins
What happens when cutting-edge cancer research meets personalized patient care? Dr. Robert Hoffman joins us to share his remarkable dual journey as both cancer researcher and patient, offering a rare perspective that bridges laboratory science with real-world treatment experience.
Dr. Hoffman takes us through his chemotherapy regimen with docetaxel, cisplatin, and 5-fluorouracil, revealing practical strategies for managing side effects that most oncologists never mention. From proper hydration to prevent kidney damage to using aloe vera for mouth lesions, these simple approaches have transformed his treatment experience. The conversation challenges conventional wisdom about protein consumption during cancer treatment, with Dr. Hoffman explaining why popular high-protein diets like keto might actually be counterproductive for many cancer patients.
The most exciting revelation comes as Dr. Hoffman shares breaking news about international interest in his research. A major Russian television network recently interviewed him about combining ivermectin with methioninase for cancer treatment, highlighting how his work is gaining global recognition. With patients now using methioninase in Japan, Finland, Turkey, the UK, Australia, and Russia, we witness how grassroots scientific innovation can spread worldwide despite institutional resistance.
Perhaps most valuable is the discussion of personalized cancer care. Dr. Hoffman praises his oncologist Dr. Song's approach of making treatment decisions based on individual patient needs rather than rigidly following protocols. This personalized strategy allowed him to avoid unnecessary treatments when his body was naturally recovering, demonstrating how patient-centered care can minimize side effects while maintaining treatment efficacy.
Whether you're facing cancer yourself, supporting a loved one through treatment, or simply interested in the future of medicine, this episode offers invaluable insights into how complementary approaches can enhance conventional cancer care. Subscribe now to join our community exploring the frontiers of health and healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and I'm happy to have again in
our studio Dr Robert Hoffman.
Robert, welcome back to theshow.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
doing today.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Thank you, for having me back, joe.
I feel like it's been a monthsince we've talked, but it
really has only been a week ortwo.
Excuse me, I was on the.
I was on the call last weekendbut I had just done an overnight
ceremony in a sweat lodge and Iwas really tired, so I mostly
(00:34):
just listened.
That's okay.
Yeah, since we last talked, umI'd be, I had begun um the
chemotherapy with dr song and umjust sort of to revisit.
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He was able to um get me anothersession or another set of
rounds with this cocktail ofdocetaxel, cisplatinin and
5-fluorosil.
And these are, you know, heavyhitters, they're not light doses
.
And he's actually modified theinfusion where I get half of the
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cisplatinin in the beginning,where I get half of the
cisplatin in the beginning andthen tomorrow when I get the
fluoruracil pump taken out, Iget the second half of the
cisplatin.
And, as I mentioned before, drSong apparently was one of the
discoverers of this drug, so heknows it as well as anybody on
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the planet.
And I've also come to learnthat cisplatin is the primary
chemo agent that they do usewith radiation when they're, you
know, doing the standard ofcare that they wanted to give me
, which is six weeks, five daysa week, of heavy-duty radiation.
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The chemo that they generallyadminister with that is
cisplatin.
So, as you said, dr Hoffman,it's a workhorse.
It's a standard drug that'sbeen around for a long time.
It can be very effective.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's absolutely.
It's a real workhorse.
Taking a workhorses, dosataxel,which is a form of taxol, I'm
sorry, dosataxel, which is aform of taxol.
Viflururacil is a fantasticworkhorse yeah apparently they
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use that as a topical as well.
Decades and decades and they'vehelped so many cancer patients.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, I've heard they use the Fluoruracil as a
topical as well.
They have multiple differentways that it can be.
Oh yeah, that's right so he's,he's modified the way that I
receive um, my chemo, and Ibelieve that I'm handling it
better this time and it's.
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You know it's so hard to say.
There's so many variables inthis.
You know, a lot of times we, wewant to make assumptions.
You know, just like um, justlike coon's, you know ideas and
thoughts and, uh, structure,scientific revolution.
We, we associate one thing withanother, but oftentimes we'll
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neglect all the differentvariables that are in in in
front of us.
And for me, my first round, myfirst three rounds, I went from
having a giant grapefruitsticking out of my neck to more
or less what I am now.
So, and I was in a severelyweakened state, and so the the
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way that I dealt with the chemo.
It was harder the first timearound, I believe, and this time
around I'm also more mindful.
You know the stuff really.
What it does, I think, is itlowers your resistance to stress
, in the sense of like, when youget out there and move around,
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do something, you get tiredfaster.
You don't realize it becauseyou're used to.
Just, you know, I go out withmy shovel and I dig some holes
and I'm used to.
I could do that all day long.
Well, now I go out there forhalf an hour and I come in I get
a little lightheaded, I laydown, take a nap, and so it a.
There's a balancing act, that'sfor sure, and I think that's
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really important for people.
I know that.
You know, initially one of mybiggest problems was I didn't
want any chemo, I didn't wantradiation, I didn't want
immunotherapy, I didn't want anyof this stuff.
I thought I could just handleit with natural solutions and
good choices and I just didn'trealize what was all in play
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present with this low methioninediet and the methioninase and
oxidative therapies and exerciseand things like aloe vera.
And you know, there's all theselittle tools that can really
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make it to where it's not such aproblem, like, for example, I
think it's the docetaxel, but itmight be the cisplatin as well
that can cause kidney damage.
And if you don't drink a lot ofwater, if you don't drink enough
fluids to keep that flushingthrough and it's critical, like
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when you get this stuff in yourbody, you know you get nausea,
you don't feel like doinganything, you don't feel like
eating, you don't feel likedrinking, you get kind of a
lousy taste in your mouth andyou know your motivation to put
food in there just isn't likewhat it would be.
But you've got to remember.
You know there's these piecesto handle, just like the diet.
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You know you never forget thediet.
You never forget.
Keep drinking that water, keepdrinking that juice.
You know, keep yourself flushed.
And even like the fluoruracilcan cause mouth lesions lesions
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and I can feel it.
You know, trying to get alittle sensitive.
And I drink that aloe juice andI swish with the saline
solution and you know it keepsit in check.
And I think that's a big part ofthis whole journey is, you know
, for people to remember that.
You know it's your job to takecare of yourself.
It's your job to find theseanswers.
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The doctor's going to tell yousome.
You know they're going to giveyou a little handout.
You know they handed me alittle pamphlet that said these
are the drugs you're going to betaking and it had some stuff in
it.
But like our calls on Sunday, Ithink you know that's critical.
I thought last Sunday's callwas really powerful, with
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Gabriella and her problems andDr Exame really drilling home.
You know the importance of youknow you can't yeah, you can't
let your, you can't let yournutrition go down or, as he said
, you know, start closing doors.
And you know, I think I thinkthat's so critical.
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You know, with with the dietthat you've, you know,
discovered and and recommend andand the enzyme and all of this,
you know it's a hard road.
You know a lot of people can'thandle it, just like you know
you've always said it's hard tofind enough test subjects to
validate these things becausepeople just don't want to stick
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to it.
But we got a good group, peoplethat have got the chops to to
make this a lifestyle.
You got Gene he's been on thisfor years now and a number of
the number of the members of our, of our call have.
You know I've only got about sixmonths into me, but you know
it's a routine.
Now I don't.
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It's not such a big deal, youknow I don't.
I don't even crave meat like Iused to, the way, the way I used
to.
I still, I still, you know, geta hankering once in a while,
especially for fish, which isthe one thing that I really
probably won't be able to eat.
But you just get through it.
You know what I really have ahankering for waking up the next
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morning, that's.
That's the part that really youknow people don't realize.
When you get a glimpse of whatit might be like not to be able
to do that, and then you get asee, a road to where you can do
that, maybe for a long, longtime, all these little things
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are no big deal after that,absolutely.
Tell me what's been going onover there.
I know we were going to try toget you guys to go see Dr Song
on Monday and it was a crazy day.
Anytime, joe, it's okay,anytime, no, no, no, I know I
just it was like the, the godswere saying not this day.
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I showed up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I I got it.
So let me tell you a little bitnews.
Yeah, so I got an email fromthe main main tv uh in russia on
a couple days ago.
Okay, so they want to interviewme really and they want to come
over to the company and theirmain interest is combining
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ivermectin and methioninase.
That was so they came.
they came over today and, um,wow, the program.
I'll send you a link to thechannel Nice.
That's exciting.
It's going to air Moscow timeSaturday morning, which I guess
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is Friday night here I don'tknow exactly the time I'll find
out.
I have a live link to thechannel Beautiful.
They asked very good questions.
It was a short interview.
Somebody intelligent made upthe questions.
All right.
Well, why did you use ivermectin?
It's an anti-parasite.
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I said, well, I read somepapers on it that it also has
potential as an anti-canceragent.
Well, why did you combine itwith methioninase?
Well, we've combined so manydrugs with methioninase with
good results.
I thought this would be tooMakes sense.
And they said well, there was aprogram TV program with Mel
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Gibson and Joe Rogan and theysaid they cured a patient with
ivermectin.
What do you think about that?
I said I don't think anythingabout it.
I don't take that kind ofinformation into consideration.
I said my only information Itake in are published results in
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peer-reviewed journals.
I love it.
Then they said well, what doyou think will happen if the
patients start on this andrefuse standard therapy?
I said we only use it withstandard therapy and if some
patient wants to refuse standardtherapy, I won't accept that
patient, right?
So they asked very, very goodquestions.
I like that.
And if some patient wants torefuse standard therapy, I won't
accept that patient All right.
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So they ask very, very goodquestions.
I like that you know nothing,political nothing.
They just wanted to get theskinny on combining ivermectin,
in our case, with methaninase.
I guess somehow in Russiathere's been some spark about
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ivermectin and they found outabout us and okay, so that was
it about.
You know six questions or so,and then they filmed it and then
they would.
In the film industry I learnedthere's role A and role B,
r-o-l-l.
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Role A is the interview androle B is going around the lab
and seeing stuff.
So Dr Han and Dr Kim and DrMiyashi took them around and
showed them around.
We have the glowing mice.
We have purified goldenmethioninase.
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We showed them the fermenter,so that's what was going on.
I like it.
I was very impressed when theysaid you know, they told me the
Mel Gibson Joe Rogan interviewsaid there one of them claimed
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they cured somebody withivermectin.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I said I don't accept that kind of information.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I hope a lot of other people won't either.
Right, that you know, that'syou know.
I said I accept information inpeer-reviewed journals.
And then the other question iswhat are you going to do if
people start giving up standardtherapy?
Well, basically not with me.
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They're not.
I don't accept the patientwho's going to do that, and I
think that's huge.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think all of those elements are great.
How do you suspect that theybecame aware of that topic and
your and your work?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
uh, easy to pub med um if you, if you these days I
guess somehow.
You know, ivermectin is awell-known substance.
Right Won the Nobel Prize.
It's gotten a lot of airplaylately, a few years ago, as an
anti-parasitic People have beenpublishing here and there about
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its anti-cancer activity.
And then it became verycontroversial during COVID.
A lot of claims and it becamepolitical.
Covid, right A lot of claimsand it became political,
unfortunately Right.
And so it's out there, right.
And so you know, maybe it takesa little longer for things to
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trickle over to Russia, but it'snot surprising.
They know about it and if youjust Google ivermectin and
cancer, we come up.
Oh, there you go.
All right, there's not thatmany you know.
Or go on PubMed or whatever.
So the lady, the kind ofoverarching producer, her name
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is Anastasia Lunkova.
She knew me.
I mean, she knew of me, dearProfessor Hoffman, all that kind
of stuff.
She knew about me.
And you know I thought about it.
You know I'm totally againstRussia.
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What they're doing to Ukraine,I think it's just totally
inhumane.
But I said to myself I'm acancer guy, I want to help
everybody with cancer, no matterwhat country they're from.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So I decided to do it .
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I thought about it a little bit, so I decided to do
it I thought about it a littlebit.
Yeah, and one of my Russianfriends, who doesn't live there
anymore, of course, chided me,says you're helping the regime,
wow, I said well, it could belooked at that way.
I understand that, but I can'trefuse to help a cancer patient.
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That, but I can't refuse tohelp a cancer patient.
And I thought what we, whatthis interview will help, maybe
a whole lot of them.
Um, this, the channels ntv, I'mguessing.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
they have tens of millions of viewers I would
imagine they don't have a lot ofchannels out of those tens of
millions.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They don't have that many channels.
Right out of those tens ofmillions we can catch a few to
help out one way.
I have one patient in russia.
I was gonna ask you it's noteasy to send methionine ace
there you have to send it tosomebody in this country who
hand carries it and you can'tfly directly there.
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You go through armenia orturkey or whatever.
Wow and but we, we got it therein in two or three days, um and
uh it handles the, the notbeing frozen, okay for that, oh,
yeah, oh yeah, you know when itwas purified.
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one of the first steps inpurification is a heat step.
Okay, so you know what happenswhen you boil an egg, right?
Sure, All the proteins solidify.
It's a hard-boiled egg.
Oh yeah, the E coli that isproducing the methioninase.
The huge majority of theproteins precipitate
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Methioninase.
Hey, no problem for me, saysmethioninase.
It stays in solution.
We're talking about 50 degreescentigrade, which is I don't
know 122 or something.
Yeah, yeah, Fahrenheit.
So that's no problem.
I don't like it sitting arounda long time because it's in a
saline solution and it's notbeen sterilized so something can
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grow in there.
Um, so I don't like that, butbut a few days, the ice melts
nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, the reason I asked is because on the box that
I get it on it says store atnegative 54 centigrade.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, minus 20.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Best practices Minus 20.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, it's minus 20 centigrade.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
There you go.
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
My brain is a little off and you know that's just for
general safety.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, best practices, that's good.
Yeah, generally I keep it inthe freezer and then I'll take
out two little vials a day and Iput them on my dresser and I'll
take them, you know, after mymeal.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's perfect.
You can also even put them inthe fridge.
They'll be melted overnight intime for you.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Either way, so that's good.
Well, I was curious aboutclients that you have in Russia
and even other countries.
You know you've been making.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We have a regular in Finland and delivery there is
very smooth.
We have a regular in Turkey.
Delivery there is only bycourier, by carrier.
We have in England, australia.
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Sometimes we get a hard timebut we get it through.
Uk is really good.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I was going to say is there any countries where
you're having a diff?
I mean, this is treated as asupplement, so it doesn't really
.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
A lot of countries don't care it's.
For them it's heroin orsomething.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, because I know like I mean.
My Turkish patient says no waywe can get it through, so they
find travelers.
I love it.
I got to go underground, yeah,or in the air or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, one way or another yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It goes country by country.
The smoothest country is Japan.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We ship there almost every day, nice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
How many clients do you think you have in Japan?
Easily 50.
Nice, nice, that's awesome.
Well, that is.
You know, it's been what?
About six months we've beenworking together and I'm just I
get more and more impressed withyou.
Know how the knowledge it seemsto be seeping out.
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You know.
First the.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Little by little.
Now it's even made it to Russia.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I know exactly and you didn't solicit them.
They came and found you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They sure did.
And this, this program.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I don't know how much people will learn from it, but
it's going to go to millions andmillions well and that's, you
know, that's the big reason whyI keep coming back and talking
about this, because I'mconfident, in fact I'm.
I know that you know thiselement of the
methionine-restricted diet andthe methionine is are
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instrumental in my healing andyou know all the.
You know we've told this storyall the crazy roads I've gone up
and down and in and out of andyou know still navigating.
But I know that once I cameinto this line of thinking and
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understanding and I still everyday I talk to people then and
you hear the whole sugar storyand the whole, you know the keto
and and I just cringe and I'mjust like or you hear the people
that say we don't need.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We don't need standard therapy, we're just
gonna do the keto diet, or Imean it's sad, well, and a lot
of quacks out there, joe,preying on these.
They're predators that prey onthese poor people.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
The most vulnerable people in the world are the
cancer patient when the crazything is is you know you get
every once in a while a cancerwill go away and sometimes the
cancer goes away.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Joe exactly nothing.
It's called spontaneousremission, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But the point is is that these people are doing a
thing and they attribute thecancer going away to that thing,
and then they turn around andsay see, look what I did.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can do it too, and you know what it's like the
guy who falls out from theseventh floor and survives.
Exactly.
Uh, you know everybody willjust jump and see how you do.
You know these people that theysmoke, uh, three packs a day
and they say I know somebodythat smoked three packs a day
and he's 101.
Yeah, there's maybe one in amillion.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Exactly, you got the genetic lottery.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
There's always some outlier Right.
We're trying to find thingsthat are relevant to a lot of
people, not some extreme outlier.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, when it comes down to it, we're looking for
the most likely solution to yourproblem.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Which is to help the standard therapy.
Standard therapy has gonethrough billions of dollars of
clinical trials and developmentand research.
Of course it has effectiveness.
Effectiveness, but it needsmore in maybe most instances,
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especially in metastatic cancer.
So we're trying to make it workbetter.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That makes sense to me Exactly, and that's really to
me maybe the most frustratingpart is that the paradigm hasn't
shifted, where the doctors theywon't go past their standard
care well, part of it is they.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They don't want to take the risk right, and they
can.
Dr song has been doing it for40 years.
He's still around, so it can bedone it can be done um and uh,
but it's always hard to go outof the box.
But it's always hard to go outof the box and you know they've
been brainwashed with all this.
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They take a fellowship inoncology, medical oncology, so
they get a paradigm leader thereand they get brainwashed and
they get their, their guidelinesand it's really hard to move
from that, as you can, as thomascoon says, up and down.
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Um so, and you saw how rigidthey were at irvine, so rigid.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Oh yeah, dr song talks about their uh moving up
the ladder in, you know, ininside the health care system.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, in the university, that's, that's the
number one priority Move, don't,and don't get kicked out.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Move up the ladder and don't get denied tenure and
get funding.
That's what it's all about thepatient is way low on the
priority list so that thatbrings me to um.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, and I don't know, I don't think you
mentioned you didn't have awhole lot of um experience with
the immunotherapy drug.
Uh, the the, the patent name, Ithink, is Keytruda, and it has
another name.
Keytruda is the number one yeah,that's the one they've got me
on and so far I've taken oneround.
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And the thing about Dr Songthat I really like is he doesn't
just follow that standardprotocol.
So like after I took thesechemo drugs at uci, when they
took the pump out of me, theygave me an injection that is
supposed to stimulate whiteblood cell production and that's
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to just keep you from gettingleukopenia.
But dr song said you what youdon't need that unless you need
it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, I agree with that, because you never know I
mean, you do enough of thoseinjections you might induce a
leukemia.
So if you don't need it, youdon't need it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, and the thing that I like about Dr Sung is
he's testing my blood.
Every time I go there he yanksblood out and he's doing these
tests and he's looking at themand he goes over the tests with
me and he's looking at thehemoglobin and the white blood
cell count and all these thingsthat are indicators that you
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know my immune system isfunctioning or not.
And after I got the first roundof chemo, before I started the
Keytruda, he took blood and he,while I was still there because,
remember, I go in there, I getthe pump out, then they give me
the last infusion, which takes acouple hours, and so he's got
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time to run the blood test andhe gets his results back right
away.
He came back and sat there withme and says well, your white
blood cell counts down, butlet's give it a couple of days
and see if it comes back andthen we'll see where we go.
And he had me come back onMonday or no.
I called him Monday and Icalled him Monday morning.
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Now, who does that?
Who gets to call their doctorat nine o'clock on Monday
morning?
and talk to the doctor, and Idid.
I called him Monday morning.
Now who does that?
Who gets to call their doctorat nine o'clock on Monday
morning and talk to the doctor?
And I did.
I called him back Mondaymorning.
He says well, your blood cellcount came back up and you're
going to be OK and you don'tneed the injection antibiotic.
For me, just in case it keptgoing down and I had gotten some
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kind of an infection or a feveror something, he had a
precautionary backup said well,if you feel cold chills, fever,
call me and I'll tell you whatto do, but otherwise just keep
that on the shelf.
Sure enough, everything wasokay.
I didn't need to take thatinjection.
Everything was okay.
I didn't need to take thatinjection.
My immune system returned backto normal and I upped my intake
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of that hominix and my proteinand albumin levels raised back
up and we were able to managewithout me having to eat a bunch
of meat.
I did take on a little bit morebeans than I normally did, but
just a little bit, and I took alittle extra enzyme and and I
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have had no noticeable sideeffect from the Keytruda.
It's hard to tell, you know,cause the the chemo, just really
.
You know it knocks you for aloop.
But here's the kicker last weekso I do the chemo and then I do
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two weeks of not and then I doit again and the first week
after, you know, you're stillkind of recovering, building
your strength and whatnot.
Plus, I just took theimmunotherapy.
But the second week I reallygot stronger, a lot stronger,
and I was able to eat.
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I put on I don't know six orseven pounds during the week and
I do the fast prior to thechemo and that's a three day
fastday fast, you know, two daysbefore, one day after.
And it's hard, you know, whenyou're trying to keep your
weight on and you're fasting andbalancing all of that.
And that's why it was realimportant for me to get that
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extra weight, so that I hadsomething to lose.
And uh, and it worked.
I was able to pull it off and,um I I only lost.
I think I gained seven and lostfive, so a terrific plus two.
Yeah, yeah, I ended up plus twoand I'm already pretty much
back to where I left off.
So I'm, I'm managing my weightin spite of the nausea, in spite
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of the nausea, in spite of thechemo mouth.
And, you know, I think it'sreally just important for
listeners to know that there areanswers, there are.
You know, I deal with thisFacebook group of squamous cell
carcinoma survivors and it'sjust story after story of I just
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got through seven weeks ofradiation, I just got through
six weeks of chemo radiation.
I have a feeding tube I can'tswallow, I have a pasty saliva,
I have all these.
You know, my jawbone broke.
I had to get my jaw replaced.
I had massive surgery.
I've got, you know, my nose isgone, my throat has got a giant
(31:13):
hole in it.
All these just horror stories.
And, little by little, I'mgetting through to a couple of
people here and there, and Ijust say well, you know, I did
this.
If you want to learn more, Ican tell you.
I've, little by little, I'mgetting a couple people asking
questions.
I'm mostly it's very supportivepeople are, you know, being
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supportive of each other, but Ijust think that these very same
people are talking about theirketo diet.
They're talking about, you know, eating all this protein and
you know I want to yell andscream brainwashed to dope, yeah
, yeah.
And you know I understand yourimmune system needs protein.
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You know your body needsprotein.
But, jesus, if you look at the,the store, you look at at
restaurants, we are justbombarded with protein.
Like everywhere you look, it'sprotein.
It's like raining proteinwherever you go.
And I never even thought aboutit until you know I became aware
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of this till that light turnedon and I realized that you know
we really easy to get plenty ofprotein.
You know you don't need all theprotein that people are eating.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You need maybe 10 times or 20 times less.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's all marketing, it'sall these fads, diets and all
this stuff, and I just can'thelp but think that this work
we're doing, these conversationswe're having, if one person,
each time we put out at one ofthese shows, says maybe I should
do a little research, even ifthat's all that happens, it
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makes this time well worth it.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Awesome.
Well, Robert, I don't.
I'm going to see if I can stopby.
I don't know what your day islike tomorrow, but I want to at
least maybe pop by tomorrowafter I'm done.
Give me a call.
I think I'm good.
Give me a call.
Just swing by to say hi.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'd love to see you, Joe.
All right, let's try to work itout.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm around as always, beautiful.
I appreciate everything you'vedone.
I appreciate you taking thetime to share your thoughts with
everybody and, most important,goes without sayinge goes
without saying.
I appreciate all the workyou've done, spent your whole
life doing this, and you've uhbeen part of the salvation of my
uh, of my body here.
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So thank you so much.
Well, joe, it's, it's my honor,all right.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the healthy living
podcast.
I'm your host, joe grumbine.
Robert, as always, thank youfor joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
My pleasure, pleasure , joe, looking forward to the
next one All right, we'll seeyou guys next time.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
My pleasure, all right.
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and I'm happy to have again in
our studio Dr Robert Hoffman.
Robert, welcome back to theshow.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
doing today.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Thank you, for having me back, joe.
I feel like it's been a monthsince we've talked, but it
really has only been a week ortwo.
Excuse me, I was on the.
I was on the call last weekendbut I had just done an overnight
ceremony in a sweat lodge and Iwas really tired, so I mostly
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just listened.
That's okay.
Yeah, since we last talked, umI'd be, I had begun um the
chemotherapy with dr song and umjust sort of to revisit.
(00:55):
He was able to um get me anothersession or another set of
rounds with this cocktail ofdocetaxel, cisplatinin and
5-fluorosil.
And these are, you know, heavyhitters, they're not light doses
.
And he's actually modified theinfusion where I get half of the
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cisplatinin in the beginning,where I get half of the
cisplatin in the beginning andthen tomorrow when I get the
fluoruracil pump taken out, Iget the second half of the
cisplatin.
And, as I mentioned before, drSong apparently was one of the
discoverers of this drug, so heknows it as well as anybody on
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the planet.
And I've also come to learnthat cisplatin is the primary
chemo agent that they do usewith radiation when they're, you
know, doing the standard ofcare that they wanted to give me
, which is six weeks, five daysa week, of heavy-duty radiation.
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The chemo that they generallyadminister with that is
cisplatin.
So, as you said, dr Hoffman,it's a workhorse.
It's a standard drug that'sbeen around for a long time.
It can be very effective.
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's absolutely.
It's a real workhorse.
Taking a workhorses, dosataxel,which is a form of taxol, I'm
sorry, dosataxel, which is aform of taxol.
Viflururacil is a fantasticworkhorse yeah apparently they
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use that as a topical as well.
Decades and decades and they'vehelped so many cancer patients.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, I've heard they use the Fluoruracil as a
topical as well.
They have multiple differentways that it can be.
Oh yeah, that's right so he's,he's modified the way that I
receive um, my chemo, and Ibelieve that I'm handling it
better this time and it's.
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You know it's so hard to say.
There's so many variables inthis.
You know, a lot of times we, wewant to make assumptions.
You know, just like um, justlike coon's, you know ideas and
thoughts and, uh, structure,scientific revolution.
We, we associate one thing withanother, but oftentimes we'll
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neglect all the differentvariables that are in in in
front of us.
And for me, my first round, myfirst three rounds, I went from
having a giant grapefruitsticking out of my neck to more
or less what I am now.
So, and I was in a severelyweakened state, and so the the
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way that I dealt with the chemo.
It was harder the first timearound, I believe, and this time
around I'm also more mindful.
You know the stuff really.
What it does, I think, is itlowers your resistance to stress
, in the sense of like, when youget out there and move around,
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do something, you get tiredfaster.
You don't realize it becauseyou're used to.
Just, you know, I go out withmy shovel and I dig some holes
and I'm used to.
I could do that all day long.
Well, now I go out there forhalf an hour and I come in I get
a little lightheaded, I laydown, take a nap, and so it a.
There's a balancing act, that'sfor sure, and I think that's
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really important for people.
I know that.
You know, initially one of mybiggest problems was I didn't
want any chemo, I didn't wantradiation, I didn't want
immunotherapy, I didn't want anyof this stuff.
I thought I could just handleit with natural solutions and
good choices and I just didn'trealize what was all in play
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present with this low methioninediet and the methioninase and
oxidative therapies and exerciseand things like aloe vera.
And you know, there's all theselittle tools that can really
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make it to where it's not such aproblem, like, for example, I
think it's the docetaxel, but itmight be the cisplatin as well
that can cause kidney damage.
And if you don't drink a lot ofwater, if you don't drink enough
fluids to keep that flushingthrough and it's critical, like
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when you get this stuff in yourbody, you know you get nausea,
you don't feel like doinganything, you don't feel like
eating, you don't feel likedrinking, you get kind of a
lousy taste in your mouth andyou know your motivation to put
food in there just isn't likewhat it would be.
But you've got to remember.
You know there's these piecesto handle, just like the diet.
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You know you never forget thediet.
You never forget.
Keep drinking that water, keepdrinking that juice.
You know, keep yourself flushed.
And even like the fluoruracilcan cause mouth lesions lesions
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and I can feel it.
You know, trying to get alittle sensitive.
And I drink that aloe juice andI swish with the saline
solution and you know it keepsit in check.
And I think that's a big part ofthis whole journey is, you know
, for people to remember that.
You know it's your job to takecare of yourself.
It's your job to find theseanswers.
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The doctor's going to tell yousome.
You know they're going to giveyou a little handout.
You know they handed me alittle pamphlet that said these
are the drugs you're going to betaking and it had some stuff in
it.
But like our calls on Sunday, Ithink you know that's critical.
I thought last Sunday's callwas really powerful, with
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Gabriella and her problems andDr Exame really drilling home.
You know the importance of youknow you can't yeah, you can't
let your, you can't let yournutrition go down or, as he said
, you know, start closing doors.
And you know, I think I thinkthat's so critical.
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You know, with with the dietthat you've, you know,
discovered and and recommend andand the enzyme and all of this,
you know it's a hard road.
You know a lot of people can'thandle it, just like you know
you've always said it's hard tofind enough test subjects to
validate these things becausepeople just don't want to stick
(08:19):
to it.
But we got a good group, peoplethat have got the chops to to
make this a lifestyle.
You got Gene he's been on thisfor years now and a number of
the number of the members of our, of our call have.
You know I've only got about sixmonths into me, but you know
it's a routine.
Now I don't.
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It's not such a big deal, youknow I don't.
I don't even crave meat like Iused to, the way, the way I used
to.
I still, I still, you know, geta hankering once in a while,
especially for fish, which isthe one thing that I really
probably won't be able to eat.
But you just get through it.
You know what I really have ahankering for waking up the next
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morning, that's.
That's the part that really youknow people don't realize.
When you get a glimpse of whatit might be like not to be able
to do that, and then you get asee, a road to where you can do
that, maybe for a long, longtime, all these little things
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are no big deal after that,absolutely.
Tell me what's been going onover there.
I know we were going to try toget you guys to go see Dr Song
on Monday and it was a crazy day.
Anytime, joe, it's okay,anytime, no, no, no, I know I
just it was like the, the godswere saying not this day.
(09:46):
I showed up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I I got it.
So let me tell you a little bitnews.
Yeah, so I got an email fromthe main main tv uh in russia on
a couple days ago.
Okay, so they want to interviewme really and they want to come
over to the company and theirmain interest is combining
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ivermectin and methioninase.
That was so they came.
they came over today and, um,wow, the program.
I'll send you a link to thechannel Nice.
That's exciting.
It's going to air Moscow timeSaturday morning, which I guess
(10:30):
is Friday night here I don'tknow exactly the time I'll find
out.
I have a live link to thechannel Beautiful.
They asked very good questions.
It was a short interview.
Somebody intelligent made upthe questions.
All right.
Well, why did you use ivermectin?
It's an anti-parasite.
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I said, well, I read somepapers on it that it also has
potential as an anti-canceragent.
Well, why did you combine itwith methioninase?
Well, we've combined so manydrugs with methioninase with
good results.
I thought this would be tooMakes sense.
And they said well, there was aprogram TV program with Mel
(11:20):
Gibson and Joe Rogan and theysaid they cured a patient with
ivermectin.
What do you think about that?
I said I don't think anythingabout it.
I don't take that kind ofinformation into consideration.
I said my only information Itake in are published results in
(11:44):
peer-reviewed journals.
I love it.
Then they said well, what doyou think will happen if the
patients start on this andrefuse standard therapy?
I said we only use it withstandard therapy and if some
patient wants to refuse standardtherapy, I won't accept that
patient, right?
So they asked very, very goodquestions.
I like that.
And if some patient wants torefuse standard therapy, I won't
accept that patient All right.
(12:06):
So they ask very, very goodquestions.
I like that you know nothing,political nothing.
They just wanted to get theskinny on combining ivermectin,
in our case, with methaninase.
I guess somehow in Russiathere's been some spark about
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ivermectin and they found outabout us and okay, so that was
it about.
You know six questions or so,and then they filmed it and then
they would.
In the film industry I learnedthere's role A and role B,
r-o-l-l.
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Role A is the interview androle B is going around the lab
and seeing stuff.
So Dr Han and Dr Kim and DrMiyashi took them around and
showed them around.
We have the glowing mice.
We have purified goldenmethioninase.
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We showed them the fermenter,so that's what was going on.
I like it.
I was very impressed when theysaid you know, they told me the
Mel Gibson Joe Rogan interviewsaid there one of them claimed
(13:29):
they cured somebody withivermectin.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I said I don't accept that kind of information.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I hope a lot of other people won't either.
Right, that you know, that'syou know.
I said I accept information inpeer-reviewed journals.
And then the other question iswhat are you going to do if
people start giving up standardtherapy?
Well, basically not with me.
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They're not.
I don't accept the patientwho's going to do that, and I
think that's huge.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think all of those elements are great.
How do you suspect that theybecame aware of that topic and
your and your work?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
uh, easy to pub med um if you, if you these days I
guess somehow.
You know, ivermectin is awell-known substance.
Right Won the Nobel Prize.
It's gotten a lot of airplaylately, a few years ago, as an
anti-parasitic People have beenpublishing here and there about
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its anti-cancer activity.
And then it became verycontroversial during COVID.
A lot of claims and it becamepolitical.
Covid, right A lot of claimsand it became political,
unfortunately Right.
And so it's out there, right.
And so you know, maybe it takesa little longer for things to
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trickle over to Russia, but it'snot surprising.
They know about it and if youjust Google ivermectin and
cancer, we come up.
Oh, there you go.
All right, there's not thatmany you know.
Or go on PubMed or whatever.
So the lady, the kind ofoverarching producer, her name
(15:30):
is Anastasia Lunkova.
She knew me.
I mean, she knew of me, dearProfessor Hoffman, all that kind
of stuff.
She knew about me.
And you know I thought about it.
You know I'm totally againstRussia.
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What they're doing to Ukraine,I think it's just totally
inhumane.
But I said to myself I'm acancer guy, I want to help
everybody with cancer, no matterwhat country they're from.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So I decided to do it .
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I thought about it a little bit, so I decided to do
it I thought about it a littlebit.
Yeah, and one of my Russianfriends, who doesn't live there
anymore, of course, chided me,says you're helping the regime,
wow, I said well, it could belooked at that way.
I understand that, but I can'trefuse to help a cancer patient.
(16:33):
That, but I can't refuse tohelp a cancer patient.
And I thought what we, whatthis interview will help, maybe
a whole lot of them.
Um, this, the channels ntv, I'mguessing.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
they have tens of millions of viewers I would
imagine they don't have a lot ofchannels out of those tens of
millions.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They don't have that many channels.
Right out of those tens ofmillions we can catch a few to
help out one way.
I have one patient in russia.
I was gonna ask you it's noteasy to send methionine ace
there you have to send it tosomebody in this country who
hand carries it and you can'tfly directly there.
(17:13):
You go through armenia orturkey or whatever.
Wow and but we, we got it therein in two or three days, um and
uh it handles the, the notbeing frozen, okay for that, oh,
yeah, oh yeah, you know when itwas purified.
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one of the first steps inpurification is a heat step.
Okay, so you know what happenswhen you boil an egg, right?
Sure, All the proteins solidify.
It's a hard-boiled egg.
Oh yeah, the E coli that isproducing the methioninase.
The huge majority of theproteins precipitate
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Methioninase.
Hey, no problem for me, saysmethioninase.
It stays in solution.
We're talking about 50 degreescentigrade, which is I don't
know 122 or something.
Yeah, yeah, Fahrenheit.
So that's no problem.
I don't like it sitting arounda long time because it's in a
saline solution and it's notbeen sterilized so something can
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grow in there.
Um, so I don't like that, butbut a few days, the ice melts
nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, the reason I asked is because on the box that
I get it on it says store atnegative 54 centigrade.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, minus 20.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Best practices Minus 20.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, it's minus 20 centigrade.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
There you go.
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
My brain is a little off and you know that's just for
general safety.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, best practices, that's good.
Yeah, generally I keep it inthe freezer and then I'll take
out two little vials a day and Iput them on my dresser and I'll
take them, you know, after mymeal.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's perfect.
You can also even put them inthe fridge.
They'll be melted overnight intime for you.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Either way, so that's good.
Well, I was curious aboutclients that you have in Russia
and even other countries.
You know you've been making.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We have a regular in Finland and delivery there is
very smooth.
We have a regular in Turkey.
Delivery there is only bycourier, by carrier.
We have in England, australia.
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Sometimes we get a hard timebut we get it through.
Uk is really good.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I was going to say is there any countries where
you're having a diff?
I mean, this is treated as asupplement, so it doesn't really
.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
A lot of countries don't care it's.
For them it's heroin orsomething.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, because I know like I mean.
My Turkish patient says no waywe can get it through, so they
find travelers.
I love it.
I got to go underground, yeah,or in the air or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, one way or another yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It goes country by country.
The smoothest country is Japan.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We ship there almost every day, nice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
How many clients do you think you have in Japan?
Easily 50.
Nice, nice, that's awesome.
Well, that is.
You know, it's been what?
About six months we've beenworking together and I'm just I
get more and more impressed withyou.
Know how the knowledge it seemsto be seeping out.
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You know.
First the.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Little by little.
Now it's even made it to Russia.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I know exactly and you didn't solicit them.
They came and found you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They sure did.
And this, this program.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I don't know how much people will learn from it, but
it's going to go to millions andmillions well and that's, you
know, that's the big reason whyI keep coming back and talking
about this, because I'mconfident, in fact I'm.
I know that you know thiselement of the
methionine-restricted diet andthe methionine is are
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instrumental in my healing andyou know all the.
You know we've told this storyall the crazy roads I've gone up
and down and in and out of andyou know still navigating.
But I know that once I cameinto this line of thinking and
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understanding and I still everyday I talk to people then and
you hear the whole sugar storyand the whole, you know the keto
and and I just cringe and I'mjust like or you hear the people
that say we don't need.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
We don't need standard therapy, we're just
gonna do the keto diet, or Imean it's sad, well, and a lot
of quacks out there, joe,preying on these.
They're predators that prey onthese poor people.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
The most vulnerable people in the world are the
cancer patient when the crazything is is you know you get
every once in a while a cancerwill go away and sometimes the
cancer goes away.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Joe exactly nothing.
It's called spontaneousremission, exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But the point is is that these people are doing a
thing and they attribute thecancer going away to that thing,
and then they turn around andsay see, look what I did.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You can do it too, and you know what it's like the
guy who falls out from theseventh floor and survives.
Exactly.
Uh, you know everybody willjust jump and see how you do.
You know these people that theysmoke, uh, three packs a day
and they say I know somebodythat smoked three packs a day
and he's 101.
Yeah, there's maybe one in amillion.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Exactly, you got the genetic lottery.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
There's always some outlier Right.
We're trying to find thingsthat are relevant to a lot of
people, not some extreme outlier.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, when it comes down to it, we're looking for
the most likely solution to yourproblem.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Which is to help the standard therapy.
Standard therapy has gonethrough billions of dollars of
clinical trials and developmentand research.
Of course it has effectiveness.
Effectiveness, but it needsmore in maybe most instances,
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especially in metastatic cancer.
So we're trying to make it workbetter.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That makes sense to me Exactly, and that's really to
me maybe the most frustratingpart is that the paradigm hasn't
shifted, where the doctors theywon't go past their standard
care well, part of it is they.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They don't want to take the risk right, and they
can.
Dr song has been doing it for40 years.
He's still around, so it can bedone it can be done um and uh,
but it's always hard to go outof the box.
But it's always hard to go outof the box and you know they've
been brainwashed with all this.
(24:31):
They take a fellowship inoncology, medical oncology, so
they get a paradigm leader thereand they get brainwashed and
they get their, their guidelinesand it's really hard to move
from that, as you can, as thomascoon says, up and down.
(24:53):
Um so, and you saw how rigidthey were at irvine, so rigid.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Oh yeah, dr song talks about their uh moving up
the ladder in, you know, ininside the health care system.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, in the university, that's, that's the
number one priority Move, don't,and don't get kicked out.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Move up the ladder and don't get denied tenure and
get funding.
That's what it's all about thepatient is way low on the
priority list so that thatbrings me to um.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
You know, and I don't know, I don't think you
mentioned you didn't have awhole lot of um experience with
the immunotherapy drug.
Uh, the the, the patent name, Ithink, is Keytruda, and it has
another name.
Keytruda is the number one yeah,that's the one they've got me
on and so far I've taken oneround.
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And the thing about Dr Songthat I really like is he doesn't
just follow that standardprotocol.
So like after I took thesechemo drugs at uci, when they
took the pump out of me, theygave me an injection that is
supposed to stimulate whiteblood cell production and that's
(26:19):
to just keep you from gettingleukopenia.
But dr song said you what youdon't need that unless you need
it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, I agree with that, because you never know I
mean, you do enough of thoseinjections you might induce a
leukemia.
So if you don't need it, youdon't need it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, and the thing that I like about Dr Sung is
he's testing my blood.
Every time I go there he yanksblood out and he's doing these
tests and he's looking at themand he goes over the tests with
me and he's looking at thehemoglobin and the white blood
cell count and all these thingsthat are indicators that you
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know my immune system isfunctioning or not.
And after I got the first roundof chemo, before I started the
Keytruda, he took blood and he,while I was still there because,
remember, I go in there, I getthe pump out, then they give me
the last infusion, which takes acouple hours, and so he's got
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time to run the blood test andhe gets his results back right
away.
He came back and sat there withme and says well, your white
blood cell counts down, butlet's give it a couple of days
and see if it comes back andthen we'll see where we go.
And he had me come back onMonday or no.
I called him Monday and Icalled him Monday morning.
(27:44):
Now, who does that?
Who gets to call their doctorat nine o'clock on Monday
morning?
and talk to the doctor, and Idid.
I called him Monday morning.
Now who does that?
Who gets to call their doctorat nine o'clock on Monday
morning and talk to the doctor?
And I did.
I called him back Mondaymorning.
He says well, your blood cellcount came back up and you're
going to be OK and you don'tneed the injection antibiotic.
For me, just in case it keptgoing down and I had gotten some
(28:07):
kind of an infection or a feveror something, he had a
precautionary backup said well,if you feel cold chills, fever,
call me and I'll tell you whatto do, but otherwise just keep
that on the shelf.
Sure enough, everything wasokay.
I didn't need to take thatinjection.
Everything was okay.
I didn't need to take thatinjection.
My immune system returned backto normal and I upped my intake
(28:33):
of that hominix and my proteinand albumin levels raised back
up and we were able to managewithout me having to eat a bunch
of meat.
I did take on a little bit morebeans than I normally did, but
just a little bit, and I took alittle extra enzyme and and I
(28:55):
have had no noticeable sideeffect from the Keytruda.
It's hard to tell, you know,cause the the chemo, just really
.
You know it knocks you for aloop.
But here's the kicker last weekso I do the chemo and then I do
(29:16):
two weeks of not and then I doit again and the first week
after, you know, you're stillkind of recovering, building
your strength and whatnot.
Plus, I just took theimmunotherapy.
But the second week I reallygot stronger, a lot stronger,
and I was able to eat.
(29:36):
I put on I don't know six orseven pounds during the week and
I do the fast prior to thechemo and that's a three day
fastday fast, you know, two daysbefore, one day after.
And it's hard, you know, whenyou're trying to keep your
weight on and you're fasting andbalancing all of that.
And that's why it was realimportant for me to get that
(30:00):
extra weight, so that I hadsomething to lose.
And uh, and it worked.
I was able to pull it off and,um I I only lost.
I think I gained seven and lostfive, so a terrific plus two.
Yeah, yeah, I ended up plus twoand I'm already pretty much
back to where I left off.
So I'm, I'm managing my weightin spite of the nausea, in spite
(30:25):
of the nausea, in spite of thechemo mouth.
And, you know, I think it'sreally just important for
listeners to know that there areanswers, there are.
You know, I deal with thisFacebook group of squamous cell
carcinoma survivors and it'sjust story after story of I just
(30:49):
got through seven weeks ofradiation, I just got through
six weeks of chemo radiation.
I have a feeding tube I can'tswallow, I have a pasty saliva,
I have all these.
You know, my jawbone broke.
I had to get my jaw replaced.
I had massive surgery.
I've got, you know, my nose isgone, my throat has got a giant
(31:13):
hole in it.
All these just horror stories.
And, little by little, I'mgetting through to a couple of
people here and there, and Ijust say well, you know, I did
this.
If you want to learn more, Ican tell you.
I've, little by little, I'mgetting a couple people asking
questions.
I'm mostly it's very supportivepeople are, you know, being
(31:34):
supportive of each other, but Ijust think that these very same
people are talking about theirketo diet.
They're talking about, you know, eating all this protein and
you know I want to yell andscream brainwashed to dope, yeah
, yeah.
And you know I understand yourimmune system needs protein.
(31:54):
You know your body needsprotein.
But, jesus, if you look at the,the store, you look at at
restaurants, we are justbombarded with protein.
Like everywhere you look, it'sprotein.
It's like raining proteinwherever you go.
And I never even thought aboutit until you know I became aware
(32:16):
of this till that light turnedon and I realized that you know
we really easy to get plenty ofprotein.
You know you don't need all theprotein that people are eating.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You need maybe 10 times or 20 times less.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's all marketing, it'sall these fads, diets and all
this stuff, and I just can'thelp but think that this work
we're doing, these conversationswe're having, if one person,
each time we put out at one ofthese shows, says maybe I should
do a little research, even ifthat's all that happens, it
(32:51):
makes this time well worth it.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Awesome.
Well, Robert, I don't.
I'm going to see if I can stopby.
I don't know what your day islike tomorrow, but I want to at
least maybe pop by tomorrowafter I'm done.
Give me a call.
I think I'm good.
Give me a call.
Just swing by to say hi.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'd love to see you, Joe.
All right, let's try to work itout.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm around as always, beautiful.
I appreciate everything you'vedone.
I appreciate you taking thetime to share your thoughts with
everybody and, most important,goes without sayinge goes
without saying.
I appreciate all the workyou've done, spent your whole
life doing this, and you've uhbeen part of the salvation of my
uh, of my body here.
(33:37):
So thank you so much.
Well, joe, it's, it's my honor,all right.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of the healthy living
podcast.
I'm your host, joe grumbine.
Robert, as always, thank youfor joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
My pleasure, pleasure , joe, looking forward to the
next one All right, we'll seeyou guys next time.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
My pleasure, all right.
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