June 11, 2025 • 29 mins
Discover the powerful potential of locally grown medicinal herbs and traditional Eastern healing practices in this enlightening conversation with practitioner Vee Martinez.
As environmental changes and global supply challenges make importing traditional Chinese herbs increasingly difficult, we explore how plants grown in our own backyards might offer even greater healing benefits. Vanessa shares her expertise on why locally adapted plants develop unique compounds specifically suited to people living in the same environment, creating what she calls a "symphony of compounds" that work together in ways pharmaceuticals simply cannot.
The conversation takes us through experimental garden techniques being implemented at Gardens of Hope, where innovative approaches like hugelkultur create water-retentive, nutrient-rich growing environments for medicinal plants. We learn why food forests and purposeful plantings make more sense than ornamental landscaping, especially in water-challenged regions like Southern California.
Vee then offers practical wisdom about acupressure techniques anyone can use at home, including specific pressure points on the palm that can dramatically reduce menstrual pain. She demystifies how acupuncture works, explaining what patients can expect during treatment and how to recognize when points are being stimulated correctly. We also explore bioelectric massage—an innovative therapy that creates a closed energy loop between the practitioner and patient, facilitating deep cellular regeneration.
Whether you're curious about growing your own medicinal herbs, interested in natural pain relief techniques, or simply fascinated by the intersection of Eastern and Western healing approaches, this episode offers accessible insights that might transform your approach to health. Connect with Vee through Instagram @TheVibeRevive to learn more about incorporating these powerful modalities into your wellness journey.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Different soil, things like that and the species
might be slightly different,but there's a lack of research
there as to what we can growlocally.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And what that benefits, because, honestly,
since we live here, it ispossible that we can benefit
even more from that local source.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And our region here.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And it's getting harder and harder to bring herbs
in from China that are actuallyunsulfated.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Or untreated.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And it's going to get , gonna get harder, and it's
just gonna keep gettingespecially, as you know, the
environment keeps changing andthe temperature's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So I think being adaptable and being like, okay,
this isn't the right, exactspecies that they used
traditionally.
But how can we grow from thisand where?
Where can we still heal?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I agreed and you know the truth is herbs are so
complex that it's not like asingle molecule drug where you
can study this one drug and howits systems are what it does.
And every single herb is asymphony of compounds and
they're complex and generallyyou don't just take one, you
generally combine things.
So you have this Herbal herb isa symphony of compounds and
their complex and generally youdon't just take one, you
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generally combine things, so youhave this entourage effect of
so many pieces.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Even within the same species.
Exactly One grows here, onegrows there.
And it's going to releasedifferent secondary metabolites.
Always it's notable and it'sgoing to grow bigger or smaller
because it's adapting.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And in each person it's going to react differently
to their own environment, and soso much of holistic healing and
and natural modalities are areintuitive and, and you know,
based on practice and it's notsuch an exact science as a whole
(01:43):
science.
And you know, you learntechniques and you learn to
observe and you learn to noticewhen things are doing this, that
that's what's happening and youcan adapt and adjust and you
learn.
You know the ideas, theconcepts, the categories of
things.
You know you've got thesebrackets of types of things and
(02:03):
types of systems and all that,but really when it comes down to
like the specifics in amolecular level, it's so
complicated you really can'thonestly put your finger down on
this stuff you can, it justcosts a lot of money a lot of
money research, clinicalresearch, as well as like trials
and all of it I mean peoplewant to get paid for this
(02:26):
because there's either studentsor graduates, and it's just not
easy to come by exactly withoutthe time and money, and so I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I feel like there is room for potentially like ngo
grants in this aspect I thinkthere totally is as far as like
funding research to find outthese small differences between
things that have already beenresearched.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And things that we can change to make it better,
because we're growing it locallyor because we're using less
water, less resources.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So many different variables you can kind of tweak
a little bit.
That's a big thing of Gardens ofhope is, it's a series of
experimental gardens and youknow, there's all these
permaculture techniques and andand claims and this and that I
says well, you know, there'salso so many different regions
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and so many differentmicroclimates and so many
different ways that it could bedifferent.
So you over in LA, well, you'vegot a whole different way that
the sun and the wind and themoisture and all of the elements
affect you, and even thetraffic and the smog and the
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radiant heat coming off of thebuildings.
And then I'm over here and I'vegot the desert wind coming out.
I've got, you know, nobuildings around here, so we got
different factors that affectonly 40 miles apart.
But yet we're two differentworlds and so we could grow the
same exact plants in your bed,in my bed, and water them even
(04:03):
with the same water, and watchthem, and they would be
different and, and so that'simportant to uh be able to
observe.
And you know, for me I reallythink that these experiments are
so important and you know, wewe do have experiments,
everything from electrocultureto you know, different,
different composting techniquesto you know, we have a
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hugelkultur back there.
We have Hugelkultur.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, yeah, what is this?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
A hugelkultur.
That's that mound garden behindthe greenhouse back there Okay.
And it's basically an EasternEuropean system where you take a
big old pile of old wood andyou stack it up and then you
start layering soil and compostover the top of it oh, I
remember it's where you havegrowing, uh, some lettuce, yeah,
a bunch of vegetables there'sthose, those, uh, those trellis
(04:54):
hoops.
Okay, so the theory is to likejust kind of build compost
layers on itself yeah, well, youhave the wood inside of it and
the wood is basically a bigwater battery and wood over time
will break down and leavecarbon and phosphorus and
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potassium.
For the most part it doesn'tlet a lot of nitrogen go, but
all the other compostingelements bring your nitrogen out
and so a big part of it is itjust holds water.
Wood gets soft and spongy andit becomes a sponge and out here
in Southern California water iseverything and so what happens
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is the roots start going downinto it and they tap into it and
they go down pretty deepbecause it's all nice and rich
and soft.
And all of a sudden you takethat same vegetables and plant
them outside the fence in thenative soil and give them the
same water as I do on thehugelkultur 10 feet away, and
the hugelkultur will thrivebecause it's got nutrients, it
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holds the water, it creates amicrobiome underneath the soil
with mycorrhizae and all theanimals that allow the nutrients
to transfer into the roots andyou have this biodynamic system
that works and I demonstrate it.
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I plant vegetables all over theplace.
I don't know if you noticed, wecall it a food forest.
So if you're looking around,walking along the stream you see
broccoli plants and kale plants.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I did kind of notice that it was like kind of
randomly just sitting there Justsort of over there.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, that must have just you know, popped its way
over here, but you, we plantthem and then eventually we let
them go to seed, okay, andeventually they start to sprout,
and then they becomenaturalized.
And then we grow microgreensand if we don't harvest them,
you know, when they just havetheir cotyledon leaves on them,
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they become a plant and you canstill eat them, but they become
just, you know, young plantsrather than microgreens.
Usually I'll just take them andplant them, I just scatter them
along the stream or I'll putthem in pots.
You're wild, they let them gowild, so that's my goal Cool.
Plus, we have fruit trees allaround, a bunch of little citrus
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trees, and my goal is thateverywhere you walk, you can
reach and grab something to eat.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why couldn't it be that way, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I like that and landscaping.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
you know what is that ?
It's just plants.
Well, there's herbs that arepretty and there's food that's
pretty.
You can have ornamentals too,but really, why not have plants
that serve a purpose, DefinitelyIf you're going to put water
and time and energy into it.
Yeah, I agree with that that's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
a big part of this is we're we're integrating, you
know, just sort of a classicsouthern california garden into
a useful garden yeah and andyou're uh helping me brainstorm
right now as far as like uhworkshops that I can host so not
only you know do I envision aplace where I can host a
workshop to do a self-massagewith very minimal tools or, you
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know, completely reduce the painof of your cycle by just some
simple points on your hands niceso like acupressure, but then
also teaching people that youknow soil is the source of your
food you bet it just sounds sosimple, but a lot of people just
don't make the connection andwe have literally 30 years of
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composting here.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So when we moved here , I've never taken a leaf or a
branch out of this property yeah, that's beautiful, and so
everything why not just give itback to the same?
exactly.
So I got this giant compostingoperation over in the corner.
We've had worm farm here, we'vedone all kinds of stuff, but
literally we mix the soiltogether from compost, sand from
the creek and a little perliteand mix it all together and we
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have this beautiful potting mixblend and everything grows
beautifully in it.
Acupressure let's talk aboutthat a little bit.
Why don't you explain what thatis?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Acupressure is when you apply pressure to a point
that's already been defined aspart of the meridian system, and
combining different pointswould result in a different
outcome, obviously a differentoutcome, obviously.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And so this meridian system, I the way I understand
it, it's like a kind of like thenervous system, in the sense of
it's like lines where energyflows yes, but I don't associate
it to the nervous system at all.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I kind of the more I learn about it, the more
fascinated I am by it and I meanwith 3 years of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I know about this and I know even less yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And so what I find fascinating is how points work
together Right.
So a point here at my leg canwork really well with a point at
my hand, and so not only canacupressure trigger both those
points, but you penetrate deeply, trying to heal a certain
(10:10):
something that you can do athome.
So teaching people how toassociate certain things to
symptoms and ailments is, Ithink, huge for something that
you can do at home.
Most people, you know, you goto your practitioner and you
expect them to do all the work.
They're gonna do this for you,which I honestly actively try to
let people know like you'redoing the work yeah, they're
(10:32):
like come back, like thanking meup and down and I'm like it was
your body yeah let's try togive the props back to the
patient yeah and then also letthem know what they're doing at
home is going to go further thanwhat I'm doing at the clinic as
far as eating, as far as theexercises I have you do whatever
that is, as far as if I putyour seeds on your ear.
Are you applying pressure forthree days?
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to where it hurts, just likewhen I apply the seed.
All that's going to go furtherand that's on your time.
And so acupressure I meanhonestly one simple one.
I can tell you now that is oneof my favorites.
I definitely have cycle painduring my first day of my cycle
Okay, and it's something I'veactively worked on since
(11:15):
learning about the medicine.
It's progressively gottenbetter.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, if.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm taking my herbs.
It's exponentially better whenI'm not.
I can still go back to the oldtendencies and my body will
still be way more in pain thanit would have been if I would
have been consistent with myherbs, but I do like to take
breaks for different reasonsfrom herbs and whatnot.
But in general, there's twopoints here, at the base of the
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palm of your hand, and it's saidthat this is each side of your
ovaries.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And so if people, you know, if you find yourself you
do have cramping duringpre-cramping or during your
cycle or after your cycle, youcould try this.
I'm not saying it's going towork 100% of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You apply pressure for 20 to 25 minutes on both of
these points and it's hard tosee on the radio.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right right, right right.
But basically, if you'reholding your palm out, you have
a line that runs straight downthe middle, the middle, yeah,
and you're on either side ofthat line.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's on both sides, right above that wrist crease.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And so you'll find a tender point there, and it'll be
way more tender.
You know, right now it'sactually a little tender on me,
but it'll be way more tenderwhen I'm on my cycle, to the
point where it's like, ah, ithurts my hand, wait a minute, my
ovaries don't hurt, ah,interesting.
And so, yeah, you, you can grabyou know a pen or just like a
(12:37):
key just like this.
Yeah, anything that'll help youapply more pressure with less
effort okay it would be a littleleverage just because, yeah,
there's more leverage.
You can do it while you'rewatching tv mindlessly.
You're not like strainingyourself right right uh, they
sell dedicated tools for this on, you know, and uh, they're
called I think they're calledjust acupressure pen or okay,
they have like a blunt tipsometimes it's like thinner than
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than other tests, like it'll bea thinner tip and then on the
other side it'll be a thinnertip and then on the other side
it'll be a more blunt, thickertip.
Nice, and I always advise 25 to30 minutes of pure pressure
holding.
That would be, like you know,close to equivalent of, you know
, half the time of an actualneedle being inside of there.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, oh, okay, yeah soacupressure and acupuncture work
off of similar principles asfar as these meridians and these
points and what they affect,but one is actually puncturing
the skin and Penetrating deeperreally Right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Kind of in an easier way, because you get to just lay
there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and then theother one you don't have a
needle, which there's a lot ofpeople out there afraid of
needles.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But even to them I would say balance out the
ailment that you have and see ifit weighs out to your fear of
needles.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Right and it's funny to me Seems like it's a lot of
effort and a lot of time pushingon this thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It takes double, triple the time to penetrate
sometimes depending on thetechnique.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah.
And the person doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
If there's someone dedicated to acupressure and
they know what they're doing,yeah, you know they can
energetically actually pressthese points and achieve good
results.
Um, but you know you, for youto do it yourself, it's, I'm not
gonna say you won't get as deepyou possibly can, but just go
to your acupuncturist right,right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Exactly a good acupuncturist.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You don't feel those needles at all there are certain
points in your body that it'salmost inevitable that you're
gonna feel a tingle.
But any point that tinglesshould not stay tingling the
whole time right that that meansthey hit, hit a nerve yeah, it
happens a lot with practitionersand I think, uh, this point pc6
right at your wrist there's alot of nerves here.
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If you don't get it just right,it hurts the nerve right away
and it's like ow.
And you want to check out inwith the patient and be like,
hey, did that little pain goaway.
They're like no, it kind ofjust still lingers.
They didn't get the point right.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And so you either want to take it out and maybe
try it the next time or theother hand, or distract them or
make them think you know you'renot going to put it in and then
just maybe not do it till thenext time.
But that means that you hit anerve and you know it shouldn't,
it shouldn't hurt, so and thecrazy thing is that sometimes
you'll, you know, be done withyour sudden needles person was
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absolutely fine, didn't complainabout any of them.
And then you know, you comeback and come back and you're
getting feedback from them,whether you asked or you didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I usually don't.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
but they say you know it's crazy.
I felt this point on my leg, onthe lateral side.
They described this point intheir body and I let them know
there's absolutely no needlethere.
And then I'm like you can watchme, I'm going to take all the
needles out and then you canlook at that point and you can
let me know if there's a needlethere and they'll be like, oh,
there was no needle there.
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Or sometimes there was a needlethere, but they didn't feel it
until halfway through thetreatment and so that's, I don't
know.
One of the beautiful things Ithink about this medicine is how
you can energetically feel thatin different ways.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah.
So what do you think causeslike I mean, it seems almost
like a phantom experience.
I mean, what, what, what wouldcause you to feel something that
didn't happen?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A lot of things.
So I think there's so muchhappening inside of your body
when you have differentcombinations of needles that
it's gonna direct the energywhere it needs to.
And so that's my theory.
I don't know if that's backedby anything, but I feel like
there was attention needed inthat area and so you felt a
(16:35):
sensation there where you knowI've I've actually never asked.
Maybe next time I'll ask like,was that point ever numb or did
you have some type of ailment?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
in that area.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is there scar tissue there?
Like any one of these thingscould be the reason why you're
energetically directed to there,or maybe even deeper.
Is it like on a meridian level,where that part of your leg is
actually attached to theshoulder?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I was going to say they stick a needle in your foot
to help your head yeah.
So clearly you're connected onthat level.
So it would actually make sensethat you could feel a thing or
not feel a thing when it wasstimulated by this other thing,
as long as they're connected insome way my favorite is when you
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get a twitch or, like theperson states, they felt
immediate heat or cold.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh, okay point and there's a thing called dasha um
d e q.
I probably saying that verywrong but, um, it's the arrival
of Chi at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And it's fun to like actually see that happen, when,
when you do, it's actually youput the needle in and then
there's a, there's a Twitch orlike you put the needle in and
you're kind of going a littledeeper and then you get the
Twitch and you're like, okay,stop there.
That is the good point for thatspot.
Cause you just that spot?
(17:59):
Because you just they describeit as the arrival of cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
To that point there's a good sign that you've got the
point exactly where it'ssupposed to be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it soundslike that's a.
That's quite an affirmation.
I know some people when they doreiki they can feel, get warmth
and things like that yeahsimilar thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, it's interesting.
So I know you were telling methat you do this energetic
massage.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So it's not so much energetic.
The way Reiki is, where youknow the hands kind of hover
over the body and then you feelthe energy of the person.
It's energetic in the sensethat it's plugged into the wall.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Right, right, this is actual energy, this is
electricity, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, so it's very similar to a tense unit that the
chiropractors use.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Where it's like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,
yeah, or like E-stem machines.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They do that with the acupuncture sometimes, yeah
acupuncture you do the E-stem onthe tip of the needle.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But it's through my hands.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So it's called.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
DDS or direct detoxifying system.
It's also called bioelectricmassage and it's a closed loop
between the patient and I.
The patient has two patches attheir hips, or their pelvis or
back, depending on what we'reworking on okay and then the
energetic current for me isbelow my feet, and then there's
a wet towel applied above thepad on my feet and I'm barefoot.
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And so depending on how muchweight I put on the towel,
that's how much current outputthere will be oh, okay, so you
can the machine itself is alsofrom zero to nine okay, so you
can also change, so you haveactually an input of current and
then you kind of micro adjustit based on how connected you
are to it yeah, and thendepending on what part of the
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body, because, um, I alwaysstart the session by what we
call opening up the back, which,in theory, you know, the lower
dantian is the root of allenergy, which is the area below
your belly button and above yourpubic synthesis.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Makes sense that you know.
That's where birth Right, right, that's where all the good
stuff happens, right yeah.
And so for 15 minutes Ibasically open up your back and
then from there I go todedicated areas, depending on
time, depending on what areasneed the work in your body and
for the face, I always lower theintensity because I usually
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work at a nine.
The face, forearms and calvesare very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And so if I don't lower it, it's a lot of work of
me like covering my feet, so Iusually lower the intensity to
about a six or seven, where it'slike putting out less
electricity and then I can.
I could sit my feet a littlemore right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But what it does is it penetrates deeply to
regenerate the cells at a deeperlevel nice and the way I found
out about it is I was recoveringfrom ACL surgery.
I had a climbing accident andit just felt heavy.
It felt, you know, kind of redand inflamed, and I learned
about this bioelectric techniquewhile I was in Chinese medicine
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school, oh, okay.
And so after the firsttreatment, it was just my leg
was way lighter.
I stood up and was like, oh,like it doesn't feel heavy at
all.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And I was instantly hooked and I was doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, when something works for you, yeah, it's pretty
easy to jump right on in.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, and the person that was doing it on me was
looking for students to teach.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And so you know, after a couple of treatments I
was like, all right, I got tolearn this, it's like hand in
hand to what I'm alreadylearning, and he taught me
everything he knew, and the restis history.
I'm still practicing it.
I definitely don't practicewhen I'm on my cycle and as far
as teaching people, I do thinkyou know there's room for that
and I would like to teach peoplein the future possibly not the
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project I'm looking to pick upright now but I right but.
I do know it takes a certainconstitution type of person and
there would have to be some kindof screening.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And people to know their limits as to how much they
can do, because it really doestake a lot out of you to be able
to Sounds like it would,especially being a conduit.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Flowing current through you.
That's a Exactly.
It's a big deal.
You got to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You got to make sure you're nourished or else.
I mean, I don't even want toknow what happens.
Right, right, right, but I feellike you know that is one of
those things that would requirea certain constitution type of
person.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nice.
So that's quite a repertoireyou have there.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Anything else that you do that.
I mean in general.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I like just working with people's health in general.
So I do Gua Sha and Tuina aswell, which are more also
traditional Chinese medicineabilities.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So when somebody comes to you, are they coming to
you for a specific therapy orare they coming to you as a
practitioner?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Most people come to me as a practitioner and I let
them know what I think is bestfor their body.
Okay, so somebody comes andsays I have this problem.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then, what can you do?
And then you think about it andtalk to them and you're like
well, and sometimes you knowit's like herbs can go the
furthest.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah, and so let's talk again on your next
visit or sometimes you know offthe bat, I know that they don't
qualify for the bioelectricbecause in that case you can't
have any heart condition and youcan't have any metal plates in
your body.
If you do, then you just let meknow and then we can avoid that
area, but the main thing is anyheart condition yeah, yeah, and
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so if you do, you'reautomatically out of that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, no pacemakers.
Yeah, exactly no pacemakers atall.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah.
So most people do come and kindof just like are seeking just
what's going to be best for them.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right right.
And then we go from like whattheir ailments are and advising
what works for them andhopefully hit the ticket and get
them back to health within acouple sessions or a couple
months, depending on how longthey've been dealing with it,
right so is there, um, as you'regetting people coming to you
for various reasons, I'm sure isthere one of these modalities
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that you tend to lean on morethan the others, just simply
because it's more appropriate,because of the things people
bring to you um, are you saying,do I have kind of a favorite
modality?
just one that you lean to morefor some reason or another.
I mean, it could just be thepeople that lately.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
bioelectric definitely just because I feel
like there's, it definitelydefinitely goes very deep and,
depending on what we're workingon it, just people see almost
instant results when they get upon off the table.
Of course, I love acupuncture.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I've seen that work pretty quickly as well on
myself and other people, and soit's one of my favorite
modalities as well.
And then, depending on what itis, you know honestly, I have
this guy that has like beensleeping on his arm and he is
getting tingles, and within onecupping session we went a week
(24:47):
without seeing each other.
He's like, oh, my arm was great, it didn't start tingling until
last night, and so that waslike a full week after him
dealing with this for at leastthree, four months.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
A week of relief.
What's that worth?
Right, yeah, I mean anytimeyou're suffering pain or lack of
mobility and you get relief.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's like trust me, that's the world.
It's huge.
You're like, oh, this isawesome.
I can't keep doing that, forsure.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Awesome.
So this is a fantasticintroduction.
I think that I'm confidentwe're going to work really well
together.
We're sort of we're not, sortof we're building a community,
and part of what I like to do is, you know, let people know like
we're going to have listenersgoing.
(25:31):
Oh, I need to reach her, sotell me about how can people get
a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, well, I am on the World Wide Web.
You can email me at Vanessa atTheVibeRevivecom.
I'm on Instagram.
The handle is TheVibeRevive.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And my website will be up and running soon,
hopefully within the next month.
The website, as you can imagine, is the vibra vibecom, but it
is not up right now.
There's literally just stockphoto.
Okay, or you can sign up forthe email list and you are
welcome to do so and um, I'vegot, you know, monthly blogs
that I'll be sending out.
(26:12):
Um what else?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
well, hopefully soon, you're going to be listed on
our Gardens of Hope website.
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
We're building our team ofpractitioners and partners and
sponsors and all these differentconnections we have with
various groups and people andcompanies.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
This is a beautiful space and I'd love to come back
and host some retreat space andcollaborate to other people's
retreat dreams.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So if anybody is already in the community and you
are going to be out here withJoe hosting space, if you would
like a pop-up practitioner.
I am pop-up ready.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I have my canopy.
I actually do pop-ups locallyevery third Saturday.
Lately I've been doing theQueer Mercado at East LA Civic
Center.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Nice, that's actually how you met, I think, cynthia.
Yeah, that's how I met Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's a beautiful space and that's
definitely more limited as towhat my modalities are.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
But they're still very effective.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And you find something in common, and it
gives you a place to start theconversation.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then if anyone's in the area or if you're not and
you, I am in Highland Park.
Okay so 90042 zip code.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And the exact location is disclosed after
booking.
I like it, so shoot me an emailor DM me on Instagram, and that
would be the best way to get ahold of me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Perfect, and all the details we're going to put in
the description of the show, andyou can send me all that stuff
and I'll make sure we plug it inAwesome.
Well, thank you, v.
It's been a pleasure and I lookforward to continuing this
conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Pleasure's all mine Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
This has been another edition of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and we'll see you next time.
Different soil, things like that and the species
might be slightly different,but there's a lack of research
there as to what we can growlocally.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
And what that benefits, because, honestly,
since we live here, it ispossible that we can benefit
even more from that local source.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
And our region here.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And it's getting harder and harder to bring herbs
in from China that are actuallyunsulfated.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Or untreated.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And it's going to get , gonna get harder, and it's
just gonna keep gettingespecially, as you know, the
environment keeps changing andthe temperature's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So I think being adaptable and being like, okay,
this isn't the right, exactspecies that they used
traditionally.
But how can we grow from thisand where?
Where can we still heal?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I agreed and you know the truth is herbs are so
complex that it's not like asingle molecule drug where you
can study this one drug and howits systems are what it does.
And every single herb is asymphony of compounds and
they're complex and generallyyou don't just take one, you
generally combine things.
So you have this Herbal herb isa symphony of compounds and
their complex and generally youdon't just take one, you
(01:07):
generally combine things, so youhave this entourage effect of
so many pieces.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Even within the same species.
Exactly One grows here, onegrows there.
And it's going to releasedifferent secondary metabolites.
Always it's notable and it'sgoing to grow bigger or smaller
because it's adapting.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And in each person it's going to react differently
to their own environment, and soso much of holistic healing and
and natural modalities are areintuitive and, and you know,
based on practice and it's notsuch an exact science as a whole
(01:43):
science.
And you know, you learntechniques and you learn to
observe and you learn to noticewhen things are doing this, that
that's what's happening and youcan adapt and adjust and you
learn.
You know the ideas, theconcepts, the categories of
things.
You know you've got thesebrackets of types of things and
(02:03):
types of systems and all that,but really when it comes down to
like the specifics in amolecular level, it's so
complicated you really can'thonestly put your finger down on
this stuff you can, it justcosts a lot of money a lot of
money research, clinicalresearch, as well as like trials
and all of it I mean peoplewant to get paid for this
(02:26):
because there's either studentsor graduates, and it's just not
easy to come by exactly withoutthe time and money, and so I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I feel like there is room for potentially like ngo
grants in this aspect I thinkthere totally is as far as like
funding research to find outthese small differences between
things that have already beenresearched.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And things that we can change to make it better,
because we're growing it locallyor because we're using less
water, less resources.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So many different variables you can kind of tweak
a little bit.
That's a big thing of Gardens ofhope is, it's a series of
experimental gardens and youknow, there's all these
permaculture techniques and andand claims and this and that I
says well, you know, there'salso so many different regions
(03:18):
and so many differentmicroclimates and so many
different ways that it could bedifferent.
So you over in LA, well, you'vegot a whole different way that
the sun and the wind and themoisture and all of the elements
affect you, and even thetraffic and the smog and the
(03:39):
radiant heat coming off of thebuildings.
And then I'm over here and I'vegot the desert wind coming out.
I've got, you know, nobuildings around here, so we got
different factors that affectonly 40 miles apart.
But yet we're two differentworlds and so we could grow the
same exact plants in your bed,in my bed, and water them even
(04:03):
with the same water, and watchthem, and they would be
different and, and so that'simportant to uh be able to
observe.
And you know, for me I reallythink that these experiments are
so important and you know, wewe do have experiments,
everything from electrocultureto you know, different,
different composting techniquesto you know, we have a
(04:27):
hugelkultur back there.
We have Hugelkultur.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, yeah, what is this?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
A hugelkultur.
That's that mound garden behindthe greenhouse back there Okay.
And it's basically an EasternEuropean system where you take a
big old pile of old wood andyou stack it up and then you
start layering soil and compostover the top of it oh, I
remember it's where you havegrowing, uh, some lettuce, yeah,
a bunch of vegetables there'sthose, those, uh, those trellis
(04:54):
hoops.
Okay, so the theory is to likejust kind of build compost
layers on itself yeah, well, youhave the wood inside of it and
the wood is basically a bigwater battery and wood over time
will break down and leavecarbon and phosphorus and
(05:16):
potassium.
For the most part it doesn'tlet a lot of nitrogen go, but
all the other compostingelements bring your nitrogen out
and so a big part of it is itjust holds water.
Wood gets soft and spongy andit becomes a sponge and out here
in Southern California water iseverything and so what happens
(05:37):
is the roots start going downinto it and they tap into it and
they go down pretty deepbecause it's all nice and rich
and soft.
And all of a sudden you takethat same vegetables and plant
them outside the fence in thenative soil and give them the
same water as I do on thehugelkultur 10 feet away, and
the hugelkultur will thrivebecause it's got nutrients, it
(05:58):
holds the water, it creates amicrobiome underneath the soil
with mycorrhizae and all theanimals that allow the nutrients
to transfer into the roots andyou have this biodynamic system
that works and I demonstrate it.
(06:20):
I plant vegetables all over theplace.
I don't know if you noticed, wecall it a food forest.
So if you're looking around,walking along the stream you see
broccoli plants and kale plants.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I did kind of notice that it was like kind of
randomly just sitting there Justsort of over there.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, that must have just you know, popped its way
over here, but you, we plantthem and then eventually we let
them go to seed, okay, andeventually they start to sprout,
and then they becomenaturalized.
And then we grow microgreensand if we don't harvest them,
you know, when they just havetheir cotyledon leaves on them,
(06:54):
they become a plant and you canstill eat them, but they become
just, you know, young plantsrather than microgreens.
Usually I'll just take them andplant them, I just scatter them
along the stream or I'll putthem in pots.
You're wild, they let them gowild, so that's my goal Cool.
Plus, we have fruit trees allaround, a bunch of little citrus
(07:14):
trees, and my goal is thateverywhere you walk, you can
reach and grab something to eat.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why couldn't it be that way, right yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I like that and landscaping.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
you know what is that ?
It's just plants.
Well, there's herbs that arepretty and there's food that's
pretty.
You can have ornamentals too,but really, why not have plants
that serve a purpose, DefinitelyIf you're going to put water
and time and energy into it.
Yeah, I agree with that that's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
a big part of this is we're we're integrating, you
know, just sort of a classicsouthern california garden into
a useful garden yeah and andyou're uh helping me brainstorm
right now as far as like uhworkshops that I can host so not
only you know do I envision aplace where I can host a
workshop to do a self-massagewith very minimal tools or, you
(08:08):
know, completely reduce the painof of your cycle by just some
simple points on your hands niceso like acupressure, but then
also teaching people that youknow soil is the source of your
food you bet it just sounds sosimple, but a lot of people just
don't make the connection andwe have literally 30 years of
(08:29):
composting here.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So when we moved here , I've never taken a leaf or a
branch out of this property yeah, that's beautiful, and so
everything why not just give itback to the same?
exactly.
So I got this giant compostingoperation over in the corner.
We've had worm farm here, we'vedone all kinds of stuff, but
literally we mix the soiltogether from compost, sand from
the creek and a little perliteand mix it all together and we
(08:53):
have this beautiful potting mixblend and everything grows
beautifully in it.
Acupressure let's talk aboutthat a little bit.
Why don't you explain what thatis?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Acupressure is when you apply pressure to a point
that's already been defined aspart of the meridian system, and
combining different pointswould result in a different
outcome, obviously a differentoutcome, obviously.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And so this meridian system, I the way I understand
it, it's like a kind of like thenervous system, in the sense of
it's like lines where energyflows yes, but I don't associate
it to the nervous system at all.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I kind of the more I learn about it, the more
fascinated I am by it and I meanwith 3 years of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I know about this and I know even less yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And so what I find fascinating is how points work
together Right.
So a point here at my leg canwork really well with a point at
my hand, and so not only canacupressure trigger both those
points, but you penetrate deeply, trying to heal a certain
(10:10):
something that you can do athome.
So teaching people how toassociate certain things to
symptoms and ailments is, Ithink, huge for something that
you can do at home.
Most people, you know, you goto your practitioner and you
expect them to do all the work.
They're gonna do this for you,which I honestly actively try to
let people know like you'redoing the work yeah, they're
(10:32):
like come back, like thanking meup and down and I'm like it was
your body yeah let's try togive the props back to the
patient yeah and then also letthem know what they're doing at
home is going to go further thanwhat I'm doing at the clinic as
far as eating, as far as theexercises I have you do whatever
that is, as far as if I putyour seeds on your ear.
Are you applying pressure forthree days?
(10:54):
to where it hurts, just likewhen I apply the seed.
All that's going to go furtherand that's on your time.
And so acupressure I meanhonestly one simple one.
I can tell you now that is oneof my favorites.
I definitely have cycle painduring my first day of my cycle
Okay, and it's something I'veactively worked on since
(11:15):
learning about the medicine.
It's progressively gottenbetter.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, if.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm taking my herbs.
It's exponentially better whenI'm not.
I can still go back to the oldtendencies and my body will
still be way more in pain thanit would have been if I would
have been consistent with myherbs, but I do like to take
breaks for different reasonsfrom herbs and whatnot.
But in general, there's twopoints here, at the base of the
(11:39):
palm of your hand, and it's saidthat this is each side of your
ovaries.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And so if people, you know, if you find yourself you
do have cramping duringpre-cramping or during your
cycle or after your cycle, youcould try this.
I'm not saying it's going towork 100% of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You apply pressure for 20 to 25 minutes on both of
these points and it's hard tosee on the radio.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right right, right right.
But basically, if you'reholding your palm out, you have
a line that runs straight downthe middle, the middle, yeah,
and you're on either side ofthat line.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's on both sides, right above that wrist crease.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And so you'll find a tender point there, and it'll be
way more tender.
You know, right now it'sactually a little tender on me,
but it'll be way more tenderwhen I'm on my cycle, to the
point where it's like, ah, ithurts my hand, wait a minute, my
ovaries don't hurt, ah,interesting.
And so, yeah, you, you can grabyou know a pen or just like a
(12:37):
key just like this.
Yeah, anything that'll help youapply more pressure with less
effort okay it would be a littleleverage just because, yeah,
there's more leverage.
You can do it while you'rewatching tv mindlessly.
You're not like strainingyourself right right uh, they
sell dedicated tools for this on, you know, and uh, they're
called I think they're calledjust acupressure pen or okay,
they have like a blunt tipsometimes it's like thinner than
(13:00):
than other tests, like it'll bea thinner tip and then on the
other side it'll be a thinnertip and then on the other side
it'll be a more blunt, thickertip.
Nice, and I always advise 25 to30 minutes of pure pressure
holding.
That would be, like you know,close to equivalent of, you know
, half the time of an actualneedle being inside of there.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, oh, okay, yeah soacupressure and acupuncture work
off of similar principles asfar as these meridians and these
points and what they affect,but one is actually puncturing
the skin and Penetrating deeperreally Right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Kind of in an easier way, because you get to just lay
there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and then theother one you don't have a
needle, which there's a lot ofpeople out there afraid of
needles.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But even to them I would say balance out the
ailment that you have and see ifit weighs out to your fear of
needles.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Right and it's funny to me Seems like it's a lot of
effort and a lot of time pushingon this thing.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It takes double, triple the time to penetrate
sometimes depending on thetechnique.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, yeah.
And the person doing it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
If there's someone dedicated to acupressure and
they know what they're doing,yeah, you know they can
energetically actually pressthese points and achieve good
results.
Um, but you know you, for youto do it yourself, it's, I'm not
gonna say you won't get as deepyou possibly can, but just go
to your acupuncturist right,right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Exactly a good acupuncturist.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You don't feel those needles at all there are certain
points in your body that it'salmost inevitable that you're
gonna feel a tingle.
But any point that tinglesshould not stay tingling the
whole time right that that meansthey hit, hit a nerve yeah, it
happens a lot with practitionersand I think, uh, this point pc6
right at your wrist there's alot of nerves here.
(14:44):
If you don't get it just right,it hurts the nerve right away
and it's like ow.
And you want to check out inwith the patient and be like,
hey, did that little pain goaway.
They're like no, it kind ofjust still lingers.
They didn't get the point right.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And so you either want to take it out and maybe
try it the next time or theother hand, or distract them or
make them think you know you'renot going to put it in and then
just maybe not do it till thenext time.
But that means that you hit anerve and you know it shouldn't,
it shouldn't hurt, so and thecrazy thing is that sometimes
you'll, you know, be done withyour sudden needles person was
(15:19):
absolutely fine, didn't complainabout any of them.
And then you know, you comeback and come back and you're
getting feedback from them,whether you asked or you didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I usually don't.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
but they say you know it's crazy.
I felt this point on my leg, onthe lateral side.
They described this point intheir body and I let them know
there's absolutely no needlethere.
And then I'm like you can watchme, I'm going to take all the
needles out and then you canlook at that point and you can
let me know if there's a needlethere and they'll be like, oh,
there was no needle there.
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Or sometimes there was a needlethere, but they didn't feel it
until halfway through thetreatment and so that's, I don't
know.
One of the beautiful things Ithink about this medicine is how
you can energetically feel thatin different ways.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah.
So what do you think causeslike I mean, it seems almost
like a phantom experience.
I mean, what, what, what wouldcause you to feel something that
didn't happen?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A lot of things.
So I think there's so muchhappening inside of your body
when you have differentcombinations of needles that
it's gonna direct the energywhere it needs to.
And so that's my theory.
I don't know if that's backedby anything, but I feel like
there was attention needed inthat area and so you felt a
(16:35):
sensation there where you knowI've I've actually never asked.
Maybe next time I'll ask like,was that point ever numb or did
you have some type of ailment?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
in that area.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Is there scar tissue there?
Like any one of these thingscould be the reason why you're
energetically directed to there,or maybe even deeper.
Is it like on a meridian level,where that part of your leg is
actually attached to theshoulder?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I was going to say they stick a needle in your foot
to help your head yeah.
So clearly you're connected onthat level.
So it would actually make sensethat you could feel a thing or
not feel a thing when it wasstimulated by this other thing,
as long as they're connected insome way my favorite is when you
(17:23):
get a twitch or, like theperson states, they felt
immediate heat or cold.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh, okay point and there's a thing called dasha um
d e q.
I probably saying that verywrong but, um, it's the arrival
of Chi at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And it's fun to like actually see that happen, when,
when you do, it's actually youput the needle in and then
there's a, there's a Twitch orlike you put the needle in and
you're kind of going a littledeeper and then you get the
Twitch and you're like, okay,stop there.
That is the good point for thatspot.
Cause you just that spot?
(17:59):
Because you just they describeit as the arrival of cheat.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
To that point there's a good sign that you've got the
point exactly where it'ssupposed to be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it soundslike that's a.
That's quite an affirmation.
I know some people when they doreiki they can feel, get warmth
and things like that yeahsimilar thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Uh, it's interesting.
So I know you were telling methat you do this energetic
massage.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So it's not so much energetic.
The way Reiki is, where youknow the hands kind of hover
over the body and then you feelthe energy of the person.
It's energetic in the sensethat it's plugged into the wall.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Right, right, this is actual energy, this is
electricity, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, so it's very similar to a tense unit that the
chiropractors use.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Where it's like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,
yeah, or like E-stem machines.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They do that with the acupuncture sometimes, yeah
acupuncture you do the E-stem onthe tip of the needle.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But it's through my hands.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So it's called.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
DDS or direct detoxifying system.
It's also called bioelectricmassage and it's a closed loop
between the patient and I.
The patient has two patches attheir hips, or their pelvis or
back, depending on what we'reworking on okay and then the
energetic current for me isbelow my feet, and then there's
a wet towel applied above thepad on my feet and I'm barefoot.
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And so depending on how muchweight I put on the towel,
that's how much current outputthere will be oh, okay, so you
can the machine itself is alsofrom zero to nine okay, so you
can also change, so you haveactually an input of current and
then you kind of micro adjustit based on how connected you
are to it yeah, and thendepending on what part of the
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body, because, um, I alwaysstart the session by what we
call opening up the back, which,in theory, you know, the lower
dantian is the root of allenergy, which is the area below
your belly button and above yourpubic synthesis.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Makes sense that you know.
That's where birth Right, right, that's where all the good
stuff happens, right yeah.
And so for 15 minutes Ibasically open up your back and
then from there I go todedicated areas, depending on
time, depending on what areasneed the work in your body and
for the face, I always lower theintensity because I usually
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work at a nine.
The face, forearms and calvesare very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And so if I don't lower it, it's a lot of work of
me like covering my feet, so Iusually lower the intensity to
about a six or seven, where it'slike putting out less
electricity and then I can.
I could sit my feet a littlemore right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But what it does is it penetrates deeply to
regenerate the cells at a deeperlevel nice and the way I found
out about it is I was recoveringfrom ACL surgery.
I had a climbing accident andit just felt heavy.
It felt, you know, kind of redand inflamed, and I learned
about this bioelectric techniquewhile I was in Chinese medicine
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school, oh, okay.
And so after the firsttreatment, it was just my leg
was way lighter.
I stood up and was like, oh,like it doesn't feel heavy at
all.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And I was instantly hooked and I was doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, when something works for you, yeah, it's pretty
easy to jump right on in.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, and the person that was doing it on me was
looking for students to teach.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And so you know, after a couple of treatments I
was like, all right, I got tolearn this, it's like hand in
hand to what I'm alreadylearning, and he taught me
everything he knew, and the restis history.
I'm still practicing it.
I definitely don't practicewhen I'm on my cycle and as far
as teaching people, I do thinkyou know there's room for that
and I would like to teach peoplein the future possibly not the
(21:33):
project I'm looking to pick upright now but I right but.
I do know it takes a certainconstitution type of person and
there would have to be some kindof screening.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And people to know their limits as to how much they
can do, because it really doestake a lot out of you to be able
to Sounds like it would,especially being a conduit.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Flowing current through you.
That's a Exactly.
It's a big deal.
You got to be healthy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You got to make sure you're nourished or else.
I mean, I don't even want toknow what happens.
Right, right, right, but I feellike you know that is one of
those things that would requirea certain constitution type of
person.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Nice.
So that's quite a repertoireyou have there.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Anything else that you do that.
I mean in general.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I like just working with people's health in general.
So I do Gua Sha and Tuina aswell, which are more also
traditional Chinese medicineabilities.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So when somebody comes to you, are they coming to
you for a specific therapy orare they coming to you as a
practitioner?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Most people come to me as a practitioner and I let
them know what I think is bestfor their body.
Okay, so somebody comes andsays I have this problem.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then, what can you do?
And then you think about it andtalk to them and you're like
well, and sometimes you knowit's like herbs can go the
furthest.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, yeah, and so let's talk again on your next
visit or sometimes you know offthe bat, I know that they don't
qualify for the bioelectricbecause in that case you can't
have any heart condition and youcan't have any metal plates in
your body.
If you do, then you just let meknow and then we can avoid that
area, but the main thing is anyheart condition yeah, yeah, and
(23:14):
so if you do, you'reautomatically out of that.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, no pacemakers.
Yeah, exactly no pacemakers atall.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah.
So most people do come and kindof just like are seeking just
what's going to be best for them.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right right.
And then we go from like whattheir ailments are and advising
what works for them andhopefully hit the ticket and get
them back to health within acouple sessions or a couple
months, depending on how longthey've been dealing with it,
right so is there, um, as you'regetting people coming to you
for various reasons, I'm sure isthere one of these modalities
(23:51):
that you tend to lean on morethan the others, just simply
because it's more appropriate,because of the things people
bring to you um, are you saying,do I have kind of a favorite
modality?
just one that you lean to morefor some reason or another.
I mean, it could just be thepeople that lately.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
bioelectric definitely just because I feel
like there's, it definitelydefinitely goes very deep and,
depending on what we're workingon it, just people see almost
instant results when they get upon off the table.
Of course, I love acupuncture.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And I've seen that work pretty quickly as well on
myself and other people, and soit's one of my favorite
modalities as well.
And then, depending on what itis, you know honestly, I have
this guy that has like beensleeping on his arm and he is
getting tingles, and within onecupping session we went a week
(24:47):
without seeing each other.
He's like, oh, my arm was great, it didn't start tingling until
last night, and so that waslike a full week after him
dealing with this for at leastthree, four months.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
A week of relief.
What's that worth?
Right, yeah, I mean anytimeyou're suffering pain or lack of
mobility and you get relief.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's like trust me, that's the world.
It's huge.
You're like, oh, this isawesome.
I can't keep doing that, forsure.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Awesome.
So this is a fantasticintroduction.
I think that I'm confidentwe're going to work really well
together.
We're sort of we're not, sortof we're building a community,
and part of what I like to do is, you know, let people know like
we're going to have listenersgoing.
(25:31):
Oh, I need to reach her, sotell me about how can people get
a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, well, I am on the World Wide Web.
You can email me at Vanessa atTheVibeRevivecom.
I'm on Instagram.
The handle is TheVibeRevive.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And my website will be up and running soon,
hopefully within the next month.
The website, as you can imagine, is the vibra vibecom, but it
is not up right now.
There's literally just stockphoto.
Okay, or you can sign up forthe email list and you are
welcome to do so and um, I'vegot, you know, monthly blogs
that I'll be sending out.
(26:12):
Um what else?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
well, hopefully soon, you're going to be listed on
our Gardens of Hope website.
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
We're building our team ofpractitioners and partners and
sponsors and all these differentconnections we have with
various groups and people andcompanies.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
This is a beautiful space and I'd love to come back
and host some retreat space andcollaborate to other people's
retreat dreams.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So if anybody is already in the community and you
are going to be out here withJoe hosting space, if you would
like a pop-up practitioner.
I am pop-up ready.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I have my canopy.
I actually do pop-ups locallyevery third Saturday.
Lately I've been doing theQueer Mercado at East LA Civic
Center.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Nice, that's actually how you met, I think, cynthia.
Yeah, that's how I met Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's a beautiful space and that's
definitely more limited as towhat my modalities are.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
But they're still very effective.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And you find something in common, and it
gives you a place to start theconversation.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then if anyone's in the area or if you're not and
you, I am in Highland Park.
Okay so 90042 zip code.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And the exact location is disclosed after
booking.
I like it, so shoot me an emailor DM me on Instagram, and that
would be the best way to get ahold of me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Perfect, and all the details we're going to put in
the description of the show, andyou can send me all that stuff
and I'll make sure we plug it inAwesome.
Well, thank you, v.
It's been a pleasure and I lookforward to continuing this
conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Pleasure's all mine Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
This has been another edition of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and we'll see you next time.
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