May 30, 2025 • 32 mins
Joe Grumbine shares his cancer journey with DJ Short not with a diagnosis but with a purge—composting 100 pounds of cannabis keef and cutting ties with toxic relationships. This clearing of space, both physical and emotional, would later prove crucial when facing his greatest challenge.
When confronted with cancer, Joe embarked on an extraordinary healing path that merged ancient wisdom with cutting-edge science. Through peyote ceremonies and Bufo sessions (5-MeO-DMT), he gained clarity that allowed him to navigate conflicting medical advice with confidence. The spiritual breakthrough came during a profound experience where Joe describes entering a "room of light" and making a contract that wiped away years of accumulated anger and grudges, leaving him with unprecedented focus and joy.
The scientific revelation arrived through his connection with Dr. Robert Hoffman, whose decades of research into methionine restriction offered a lesser-known approach to cancer treatment. Joe discovered that by limiting this amino acid through a vegan diet and enzyme therapy, he could potentially starve his cancer cells of what they needed to replicate. This revelation challenged his previous understanding—cancer could eat ketones just as easily as sugar, but without methionine, it struggled to grow.
What makes this story particularly compelling is his willingness to question everything, including his beloved cannabis. When genetic testing revealed his cancer was HPV-related and a specialist explained that cannabis might actually mask cancer markers from his immune system, Daniel made the heart-wrenching decision to stop his cannabis oil regimen. Later, cannabis would return to his life in a different role—helping with chemotherapy side effects rather than as a primary treatment.
Through careful research, Joe developed a comprehensive protocol combining methionine restriction with the strategic timing of conventional treatments. He discovered that fasting before chemotherapy could dramatically improve outcomes while reducing side effects. The results were remarkable—within four weeks, his tumor had shrunk significantly, astonishing his medical team.
Perhaps most powerful is Joe's transformation in perspective. What began as a terrifying diagnosis became, in his words, "the biggest blessing of my life," bringing clarity about what truly matters. His journey reminds us that sometimes our greatest challenges forge us into our strongest selves, allowing us to appreciate life's simple joys with newfound wonder.
Have you faced a health challenge that transformed your perspective? Share your story or questions about Joe's approach to healing in the comments below.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast.
This is part two of theinterview with Daniel John DJ
for short.
So where I left off, I had donecombo and I started just
purging things out of my life.
I had over 100 pounds of keefthat I was extracting and doing
stuff with.
It had been sitting there foralmost a year and all the people
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connected to it were toxic andI just I wasn't doing stuff with
.
It had been sitting there foralmost a year and all the people
connected to it were toxic andI just wasn't doing that anymore
and I composted it.
100 pounds of keef and bags andbags of cannabis that I just
wasn't doing anything with.
I still make my medicine withit.
But the people that were allconnected to this were just not
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serving me and I just literallysaid it's going.
My wife was like whoa, what areyou doing?
I'm like it's going.
She was happy to see it gobecause it was just taking up
space and I had a warehouse andan office.
I said I'm letting it go, I'mmoving back home.
My business wasn't doing wellenough to support it and I just
said, boom, it's going.
I and my business wasn't doingwell enough to support it and I
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just said, boom, it's going.
I mean, I just was making thesejust giant cuts and any
relationship that wasn't wholeand wholesome, I just let go.
I didn't terminate it, I juststopped engaging it.
I just didn't have anything togive to it and all of a sudden,
all this energy comes to me andthis clarity and this new people
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, new opportunities.
It was like whoa.
And so, with combo, the optimumway to do it is three sessions
within three months or threesessions within six months.
So I did that progressively.
I did that progressively, andthen Florida came and we did our
first peyote ceremony.
So this is now.
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I'm aware that I have thiscancer, but I don't know.
So when we do these things, Ido an intention of prayer, and
that's the purpose of this allnight long ceremony.
And my initial purpose was toget the information I needed.
And then subsequently we'vedone two more.
The second one I did was forclarity, and the third one then.
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So then I started getting allthis information I'm starting to
get clarity, information, I'mstarting to get clarity.
And then the last one was fordiscernment, so that I knew
which things to choose.
And it's been an incredibleexperience.
But through all that.
I did a bufo session, and bufois toad medicine and, yes, and
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it's 5mao dmt which I'm familiarwith.
I've made it, used it.
Um you, it goes right to thepineal gland.
It's powerful, powerfulmedicine.
But this thing, whoa, it tookme.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Did you know, kurt?
He hung out at my booth kind oftowards the end.
He was an MMA fighter fromAnacortes.
It sounds familiar.
It might have Just to throw inthere.
He uh, well, his son passedaway.
He found his body too, so hehad the stuff to deal with.
He ended up.
He's, he's a shaman in thetribe now down.
(03:15):
Now, baja way, there's a tribedown there, okay, and he's
working with them and and thetoad venom and uh yeah, well,
this was, this was a.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It was.
It was wild.
So, going through thisexperience, I was preparing for
this and I was transplantingsome plants.
That's my meditation.
I just I transplant plants.
You know the deal, it's liketaking clones.
You just get into your zone andwhile I was sitting in this
place preparing to do thissession, which I had never
experienced before, but I, Idon't have fear.
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I don't live a life of fear, asyou know, I never have and I
got this message.
It said well, what are youwilling to do for this?
And I was like whoa, I was, andit was clear as day and I just,
without blinking, said whateverit takes, and and I need to
solve this problem, and I'mgonna do what it takes.
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And so I, I take this gigantichero's hit and hit it until
you're gonna explode.
And next thing, you know, boom,the, the, the white circle.
Then poof, I'm.
I'm hearing breathe, breathe,and and some time had passed and
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my memory was being in thisroom of light making a contract
of sorts, and I made anagreement in this place that I
was at.
I don't remember the details ofit, but I'm pretty confident
what I did.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Committed.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I sealed the deal, I said okay, but as I was
coming back, I started weepingand just was so joyous.
I've never had a more joyousexperience in my life.
I was just like whoa, this isjust.
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And I didn't realize it.
Well, and then in a moment Iwas, you know, sort of coming
back and I saw this vision and Isaw the end.
I saw that I had solved thisproblem and so I said, oh, I've
healed myself.
I just need to finish the walkon the physical place.
So I just need to finish thewalk on the physical place.
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So I, I, I created the placefor what is happening to happen,
and I saw that it will happen,it's done and and.
But when things happen in in, ina place like that, it doesn't
mean they're necessarily.
You still have choices to make,you can still screw everything
up at any given moment, and so.
But I knew the path was clearand I could, and I knew how to
take it and it was.
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It was such a powerfulexperience.
I didn't realize it like thisall happened in a second, like
there was no time that hadpassed.
And I, later on my wife comesdown, there were some other
people that were there andapparently I was just screaming
and writhing on the ground whileI was in this place and this
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guy was like is he OK?
Is he OK?
And she's like, what was hedoing?
You know, he was screaming, hegoes, that's just a warrior cry,
he's all right.
And I don't remember any ofthat part of it.
I was pretty sandy when I wasdone, but other than that it was
uh, and subsequently it took afew days to really get the full
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effect of it.
But what had happened?
That joy that came.
I literally had lost everythingthat was holding me back, all
the anger, all the hurt, all thebetrayals that stuck in me, the
grudges, everything it was gone, it just was wiped clean.
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And even things that reallybothered me, really like I just
couldn, couldn't, I couldforgive, but I couldn't forget.
I tried to look at them andthey were just fuzzy and and it
literally was it's gone.
And I got a if there's a cleanslate.
I got a clean slate and what itdid was it gave me that focus.
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There's all those things,they're all distractions.
Everything that bothers you,everything that angers you,
everything that irritates you,everything that frustrates you,
they're all distractions.
And these answers start comingto me.
So in my research I'm reallyfocusing on diet, you know, and
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this ketogenic diet, and Istumble upon this word called
methionine and I read thisarticle called Cancer's
Addiction to Methionine and Istart looking into that.
I'm like holy shit, this is big.
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And methionine is a basic aminoacid.
It's a precursor to others,it's in everything you know,
it's, it's, it's in everything.
And as I continued to research,I found this enzyme,
methioninase, and I'm like whoa,there's an enzyme I can block
this thing out.
Maybe there's an answer.
Well, I thought I could buy iton amazon or you know, just
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order it.
No, no, it turns out there'sone guy who makes it and his
name is dr hoffman, dr roberthoffman.
And it turns out there's oneguy who makes it and his name is
Dr Hoffman, dr Robert Hoffman.
And it turns out, if you lookup this information, 80% of the
public works from 1971 untiltoday.
This is the guy that's behindmost of the research, and I sent
him an email.
I says I'd like to get some ofthis methionine.
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He sends me back an email andsays give me a call.
I give him a call.
He's like tell me what's up.
And I told him.
He says, okay, we need to getyou, we need to get you going on
this.
I'll send you all theinformation.
You need to talk to this otherdr castro.
He does genetic work.
He'll tell you some stuff.
And I he says we have thismeeting, uh, a call, every
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Sunday at four o'clock.
I'd love to have you join us.
And so I'm like, okay, and andand.
When you get clarity, yourintuition turns on clearer and
you don't second guess yourselfthe way that at least I always
did, you know, and I'd get afeeling.
I'm like, ah, nah, you know, Iget all bad feelings all the
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time, right, but now it's like,no, I'm just like you need to go
here, this is a thing, you needto learn this and do this.
And so I get on this call andthere's about 20, 30 people from
around the world who have beenon a low methionine diet and
working with this methioninaseenzyme.
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And there's miracle stories,people that were, you know,
terminal four years ago stillwalking around, people that have
had, you know, tumors reducedto zero.
You know just one after another.
And it's not just that.
It's this one thing there's noone silver bullet.
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Everybody thinks there's thisone silver bullet.
Well, it might be for you, butnot in general.
Every cancer is unique, everyone.
It's infinite.
Every single one is its ownthing and the answer that worked
for me may or may not work foryou and the cannabis that's
helped so many people.
I go meet Dr Castro.
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What turns out?
This thing's caused by the HPVvirus, which is the good news
because it's 95% cure rate.
If it was caused by bad choices, which most of them are, it has
about a 45% cure rate.
And so I says, all right, I gotthe luck of the draw, I've got
this thing.
So I go see this Dr Castro.
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He looks through my chart,looks at my blood work.
I tell him all the things I'mdoing.
I'm now in month three of mycannabis oil.
He says you better stop takingthat cannabis oil.
He says, because your cancer,the cannabis oil masks.
It turns these switches offthat cause your immune system
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not to see it.
So whatever you're going to tryto do isn't going to work
because this is blocking it.
I said, son of a bitch, I brokemy heart.
I did many episodes on my loveaffair with cannabis and the
broken heart and it turned outit wasn't for me.
All the people I've helped andI've even taken, you know, skin
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things off of my own.
You know, I just watchedmiracles happen, but not for me,
and Well for this particularsituation with you.
Exactly.
Oh, it does lots of good thingsfor me and it still does, but
not this Right.
And so, through this process,dr Hoffman is an advocate of
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combination therapies.
So I had in my mind radiation,chemo, bad, no matter what, it's
just bad.
There's no application where Iwould say I want this.
Well, go to the radiationdoctor and he says you don't
want surgery because you'regoing to be disfigured if they
take that thing out of you.
You're going to have a big holewhere that thing was, and you
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know.
So what we want to do is wewant to give you radiation and
chemo and that'll.
It'll hurt you pretty bad, butyou'll survive it probably, and
there'll be more of you left.
And I'm like, whoa, ok, so nowI'm researching radiation.
I don't want anything to dowith radiation.
I still don't want anything todo with radiation, and and so.
But I said, whatever it takes,so I'm going.
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Okay, let's keep going.
I'm just exploring.
Every doctor's giving me goodadvice and bad advice.
So I'm like, okay, I'm just nowlooking at a collective body of
work and there's this Dr Examethat's on this group who was
four years ago diagnosedterminal and through the things
he's doing, he's still doing it.
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And so I'm listening to him.
I start learning about radiationand chemo.
What is it?
What are these things?
Well, they're oxidativetherapies and they basically
bombard with oxidation.
That's what causes the celldeath.
And so you go okay, well, whatelse is oxidative therapies?
And it turns out, you know, Ican take a lot of oxygen and I
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can take food grade peroxide, Ican take ozone, I can take
chlorine dioxide, there's allthese ways to get oxygen
exercise, you know, good,healthy diet, all these things
you can really oxygenateyourself.
Turns out, cancer doesn't likeoxygen.
So now I'm learning aboutcancer, what it wants and what
it doesn't want, what it doesand what it doesn't do, getting
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to know this thing.
That is me but isn't me.
You know, it's me, but it's,it's broken, it's not.
It doesn't act like healthycells, it doesn't know how to
stop, right exactly, and itdoesn't want to stop.
And so it turns out that itdoesn't like warmth and it
doesn't like oxygen.
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So guess what?
I'm going to give it lots ofwarmth and lots of oxygen, and
so that's my sort of preliminarystrategy.
It turns out that all of theradiation and chemo, it's this
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highly oxidative therapy.
So when you combine it withthese oxidation treatments.
It supercharges, it makes itwork better.
Okay, so that's one side of thecoin.
The other side of the coin iswhen you take methionine out of
your diet as much as you can andthen you take this enzyme to
pull it out of your bloodstream,it's really the methionine that
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causes the cancer to be able todo the processes that allow it
to replicate.
So everybody thinks that sugarand all of that well, that's all
bullshit.
It's not bullshit, but it isnot complete, because cancer can
eat anything.
It can eat whatever you can eat.
So if you go into ketosis, wellfine, it'll eat ketones.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Does sugar affect methionine levels?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
No, methionine is really protein-derived Protein,
got it, it's an amino acid,really protein derived protein.
Got it, it's an amino acid, allright.
So it turns out I was doingeating all this meat and and and
good quality meat and fish anda lot of sardines and doing the
doing it.
All right, you know, and youknow good quality everything,
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but I was eating lots of it.
Well, all I was doing wastelling that cancer, go ahead,
replicate, because whatever itis you're eating, you have the
tools to replicate.
Now you start retaking themethionine now and it doesn't
matter what you eat.
I can eat fruit all day longnow, but no methionine and it's
getting smaller.
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There is.
This is truth.
This is a truth I've discovered.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And there are.
Are there foods that are highin methionine or that cause?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh yeah, all protein, all meats and all.
I'm a.
I'm a strict vegan right now,yeah, and I hate it.
I mean, I, I, I, I love meatand I love eggs and I love that
stuff.
It brings me joy and I don'tget to eat it right now and when
I'm done I'll have a cheat dayand then fast and that's the
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whole thing.
Anyways, through all of this,I'm learning about.
You know the actual facts andDr Hoffman has been behind a lot
of the research and publishedall these papers, but medical
science isn't interested.
When I bring this to thedoctors, they're looking at me
like, yeah, whatever, we knowwhat, we know, we don't know
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that and they're not interestedat all.
They don't want to hear it.
And with him, just like youknow, when you know something
and not everybody knows, you getpushed away.
Nobody wants to embrace a newthing, and so he's been, you
know, not invited to all the,all the symposiums and and all
this, and and yet he's published, you know, most of the.
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He comes on my podcast everyweek.
We talk about science and my,my, my prog, my progress and all
this stuff.
Anyways, fast forward.
I was still all I had.
Then I talked to the chemodoctor and she was in link with
the radiation doctor.
She says this is what we got todo.
We got to do this double-edgedsword and we got to hit you hard
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with this thing, and that's theonly thing that's going to turn
this thing around.
Well, in bringing all this to,they said well, you got to get
dental clearance before you getradiation.
And so I go to the dentist andthe first dentist says well, we
got to pull all your teeth out.
I'm like hell, no.
So then I go to another dentistand the other dentist says well
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, we got to pull three teeth outbecause with radiation, when
they with head and neck cancer,there's no way they can radiate.
Just this, it's not a spot.
Radiation is going to get intoyour bones, it's going to screw
it up and you'll never be ableto have dental work after you
have radiation.
You have to do everythingyou're going to ever do before
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you have radiation, if you'regoing to have radiation, before
you have radiation, if you'regoing to have radiation.
Well, I went to this biologicaldentist and and she basically um
, gave me this thing, this, this, and meanwhile something told
me there's got to be anotheranswer.
There's got to be anotheranswer.
And so I'm getting hung up andmeanwhile this thing's getting
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bigger and bigger witheverything I'm doing, even with
the methionine restriction.
It's slowing it down but it'snot stopping it.
I can tell I'm now in a placewhere I'm interacting with this
thing on a cellular level, on anelectrical level.
We're arm wrestling.
I mean it was a thing and I waspushing it back, but it was.
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You know it was not an easypush and I couldn't do it
forever.
I knew that.
And finally Dr Hoffman comes up.
I'm like I'm not getting this,it's not getting done and I need
to do something.
And he says you know, I got anidea.
That's it's not getting doneand I need to do something.
He says you know I got an idea.
He says why don't you recommendgo to your, your chemo doctor,
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and and and ask her if she wouldbe willing to do a neoadjuvant,
first-line treatment?
And what that is is it's aprecursor said, well, let's just
shrink it down a little bit andthen we'll go and do your thing
.
And I said, and we did researchand we came to find there's this
three drug chemo cocktail thathas been successful in the
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cancer that I have all the way.
But I said I just said howabout we do this first, just to
give me some breathing timewhile I try to get my teeth
figured out.
She agreed to it.
I gave her the drugs, I gaveher the cocktail.
I said this is what I want todo, will you do it?
She agreed, okay, that's wheneverything started shifting.
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So I learned at this point, nowand now, the clarity.
This is after the third peyotesession and I'm getting
information and separating,getting answers.
It's really I mean, I'm in aplace now and nothing else is in
my way.
All I'm doing is this.
And so I come to find out thatif you do chemo and you fast for
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two or three days prior and oneday after, you can drastically
improve the value of the chemoand drastically reduce the side
effects.
Interesting, yeah.
And so this is all coming fromthese multiple streams of
information, these people thatare actually doing it, and I'm
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like, ok, I think I got a plan.
And so then, and it's like okay,then I realized, oh, I got to
get a port installed becausethis chemo is bad stuff and
it'll blow your veins out.
And it turned out there was.
And meanwhile, I mean, thisthing is getting.
I mean this thing is now agrapefruit sticking out of me
and it's got another thingsticking out of it it was
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starting to weep.
I mean it was bad.
I got a photo documentation ofthe whole thing.
It's just, it was bad.
I couldn't go anywhere.
I couldn't.
I mean, I was more or lessbedridden at this point and I'm
just giving everything I got tothis, giving everything I got,
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finally, the last second thatinsurance approves the port I go
in and I get the thing.
Two days later I get thisinfusion and I got to carry
around this poison pump for fivedays, literally every minute,
pumping poison into me.
Brutal, just brutal.
But you know what?
After about three days, Inoticed it starting to shrink
and what you're looking at isfour weeks after I began this
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chemo session and when we're allsaid and done, I'll send you a
picture of what it looked likebefore Four weeks.
Right now, the doctors areeverybody's blown away.
Now we're talking about notnecessarily having to do any
other therapy.
I've got one more session to goand I'm yeah, and I started
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sleeping.
I couldn't sleep.
I wasn't sleeping more than anhour and a half because of the
pain.
Literally my skin wasstretching to the part where
it's been a break and that waswaking me up every hour, hour
and a half.
It was just brutal, just brutal.
And that was waking me up everyhour, hour and a half.
It was just brutal, just brutal.
And that's where I came to thatplace of reckoning.
You know, it's like whoa, andnow I sleep.
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The side effects have beenminimal.
Cannabis came back into my life,turns out.
It's really good for nausea andappetite, and I got that moment
of hey, remember me.
It came and talked to me.
It said I'm still here for youand I'm like, oh yeah, that
thing that you're so good at,let's go.
And so now, when I need it,it's there for me.
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But just, it's been thisincredible, incredible story and
I literally have subscriberepisodes.
Now I've got a bunch ofsubscribers that actually pay to
listen to this podcast and Ihave detailed the, the journal.
I mean, that's, it's really myjournal.
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So when I get back and if Ineed to study it, I can go back
to where I was, because I toldthe story as it was happening in
in real time.
So I've captured it all and I Idon't do it as often anymore
because now I've got otherthings I'm doing, but when that
that's all I was doing.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just about every day or two I was updating the
journal and um yeah, and youseem, and you seem to be in a
really good place, man.
I mean, I am in a wonderfulplace.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
you're, yeah, and this is just only a few days
after the chemo.
I still got a little chemodrunk in my head right now, but
it's it's.
You know I got to tell you, dan, as crazy as it sounds, this
most difficult thing that I'vehad to go through has been the
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biggest blessing of my life.
It usually works out that wayhas been the biggest blessing of
my life it usually works outthat way.
Just incredible.
And you know it's wild.
I've been forged three times.
You know the first one was justa divorce, that was a pretty
easy one.
But second one was the battlewith the government.
You know six years of anguishand being beat down and forged.
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This is my third forging.
So I feel as I'm starting tocool and sharpen this blade.
I'm feeling pretty darn goodabout it we're battle seasoned
yes, indeed indeed, but you know, it brings perspective to
everything and and that's reallywhere that, that point of view
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that you know, really lets thewhole landscape take on a
different.
You can see things from fartherback, I think.
When you've experienced thingslike this, you know the things
that people get caught up on andstuck in and mired in and
whatever distracted by.
You're like, ah, that's noteven a thing.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And I think you know, like, for me, then all that
makes sense and it's the dharmayou have to do.
But the common denominator isjust the ability to be able to
appreciate my life.
Yes, and the things in it.
Yes, like I'll go out in thesun.
Yes, I'm in northeastregon herein this spring.
You're it's, it's perfect.
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Yeah, and I feel it on my thesun on my skin.
Yes, yes, god, it's not cold,it's like baby bear, perfect I
love it and and that is rare yes, life and it's like that, I
think, is the biggest part ofour Dharma.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, Is that?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
ability to be able to , because once you do that, get
to the end of the ride, rightBody goes yeah.
Well, okay, I've been there.
I did that Instead of theregret of oh man, I wished I
would have done that.
Oh man, oh man, I wish I wouldhave done that exactly, and it's
again, it's a whole surfaceline.
Better to regret something youdid do than something you didn't
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do absolutely, because when yousomebody, if you're regretting
something you did do, they'resort of like you can compensate
for there's something.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
you got something for it, for for sure, even if it
hurts, you got something out ofit.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But I'm just amazed you can do it.
Yeah, and just the beauty.
Yeah, the beauty.
I get overwhelmed, yes, but Ilove it.
Yes, okay, yes, that's whatthis is about.
Yes, not just you know me andmy personal venture here.
It's like my contribution tohumanity.
(27:33):
Yeah, oh good, you appreciatedthat exactly.
And and the, the, this, this,um, oh god, brain farts again.
Just so many things.
So so you know different, yeahto go to and the appreciation of
this, but, man, I'm glad you'redoing great.
Do you want to get in touchwith Dr Mirza Behi?
(27:58):
He's connected with a lot ofthese people.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I haven't talked to him in many years.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I talked to him out again.
He's still struggling.
He had to deal with his stuffbut he has helped a number of
people.
Janet was one.
She got some, has helped anumber of people.
Janet was one.
She got some cancer.
He knows these people, he, hemay know this Hoffman, yeah,
yeah, and, and he's got thoseconnections.
So next time I talk to himwe're supposed to be soon here
I'll tell him to give you a call.
Absolutely, and that's reallywhere this?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I feel like I have a flag that I'm I can help bring
in at this new paradigm and andI, it's your Dharma.
Yeah, exactly, and I, I feeleverybody I talked to like you
say at least you can plant theseed and and that's if, if,
that's all I can do.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's good.
That's good.
It's not your responsibility.
All you have to.
That's good.
It's not your responsibility.
All of us, we just plant.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I can do my part.
Yeah, and my part is share theknowledge, share my experience.
Who?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
is not having expectations.
Right, you've got to let go ofit.
Okay, there it is.
Yeah, maybe just show one moretime here.
This is special and then that'sit Absolutely.
My dharma requires me to tryonce.
Yes, absolutely my dharmarequires me to try once.
Yes, you know so I.
You tell somebody the storyonce.
If you really care about or ifyou think of a different way to
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say it, you may try again, butthen just let it go.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, let it go and you know what it does is.
It gives you much more time toexperience other things, and and
to find those people who dohave the first round for that
scene.
Yes, and again, it's at action.
You just keep going, you keepmoving, you keep meeting, you
keep talking.
It's a, it's a.
Yes, I'm right there with you.
Well, dan, I I tell you thishas been an amazing conversation
(29:43):
.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I knew it would be, and there's always we can do is,
if people are interested, ifthey they got questions, let's
do it again I love it, I love it, awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, thank you so much.
Is there any parting shot youhave for any seed you want to
plant here?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, not really.
You know, life is good.
I kind of disillusioned withthe whole cannabis industry.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Watching the greed that's taken over.
Yeah, avoid that.
Simple solutions to all of ourproblems.
We're not distracted anymore.
All right, we got thispresident that he likes to just
oh, stroke of the pen.
Stroke of the pen, you want tosolve our problems.
Limit personal wealth andholdings to $100 million.
(30:28):
There you go, period.
And then all the rest, all ofthe rest of that, and I did the
math on this, joe.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I call it excess wealth In America.
This is just America.
This is not the world.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Just in America, the excess wealth that people have
over $100 million equals about$35 trillion.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Whoa geez.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What the debt?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I was going to say that sounds like our debt level.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's the debt.
So my mantra now is hey, Ithink it's time to repossess the
Lambo.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I can't Austerity.
We need austerity at the top.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, that's a great parting shot, Dan.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
I look forward to talking withyou again soon.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Likewise, joe.
Keep on the path, man.
All right, it's been the.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and we'll see you next time.
Hello, welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast.
This is part two of theinterview with Daniel John DJ
for short.
So where I left off, I had donecombo and I started just
purging things out of my life.
I had over 100 pounds of keefthat I was extracting and doing
stuff with.
It had been sitting there foralmost a year and all the people
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connected to it were toxic andI just I wasn't doing stuff with
.
It had been sitting there foralmost a year and all the people
connected to it were toxic andI just wasn't doing that anymore
and I composted it.
100 pounds of keef and bags andbags of cannabis that I just
wasn't doing anything with.
I still make my medicine withit.
But the people that were allconnected to this were just not
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serving me and I just literallysaid it's going.
My wife was like whoa, what areyou doing?
I'm like it's going.
She was happy to see it gobecause it was just taking up
space and I had a warehouse andan office.
I said I'm letting it go, I'mmoving back home.
My business wasn't doing wellenough to support it and I just
said, boom, it's going.
I and my business wasn't doingwell enough to support it and I
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just said, boom, it's going.
I mean, I just was making thesejust giant cuts and any
relationship that wasn't wholeand wholesome, I just let go.
I didn't terminate it, I juststopped engaging it.
I just didn't have anything togive to it and all of a sudden,
all this energy comes to me andthis clarity and this new people
(01:27):
, new opportunities.
It was like whoa.
And so, with combo, the optimumway to do it is three sessions
within three months or threesessions within six months.
So I did that progressively.
I did that progressively, andthen Florida came and we did our
first peyote ceremony.
So this is now.
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I'm aware that I have thiscancer, but I don't know.
So when we do these things, Ido an intention of prayer, and
that's the purpose of this allnight long ceremony.
And my initial purpose was toget the information I needed.
And then subsequently we'vedone two more.
The second one I did was forclarity, and the third one then.
(02:18):
So then I started getting allthis information I'm starting to
get clarity, information, I'mstarting to get clarity.
And then the last one was fordiscernment, so that I knew
which things to choose.
And it's been an incredibleexperience.
But through all that.
I did a bufo session, and bufois toad medicine and, yes, and
(02:39):
it's 5mao dmt which I'm familiarwith.
I've made it, used it.
Um you, it goes right to thepineal gland.
It's powerful, powerfulmedicine.
But this thing, whoa, it tookme.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Did you know, kurt?
He hung out at my booth kind oftowards the end.
He was an MMA fighter fromAnacortes.
It sounds familiar.
It might have Just to throw inthere.
He uh, well, his son passedaway.
He found his body too, so hehad the stuff to deal with.
He ended up.
He's, he's a shaman in thetribe now down.
(03:15):
Now, baja way, there's a tribedown there, okay, and he's
working with them and and thetoad venom and uh yeah, well,
this was, this was a.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It was.
It was wild.
So, going through thisexperience, I was preparing for
this and I was transplantingsome plants.
That's my meditation.
I just I transplant plants.
You know the deal, it's liketaking clones.
You just get into your zone andwhile I was sitting in this
place preparing to do thissession, which I had never
experienced before, but I, Idon't have fear.
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I don't live a life of fear, asyou know, I never have and I
got this message.
It said well, what are youwilling to do for this?
And I was like whoa, I was, andit was clear as day and I just,
without blinking, said whateverit takes, and and I need to
solve this problem, and I'mgonna do what it takes.
(04:08):
And so I, I take this gigantichero's hit and hit it until
you're gonna explode.
And next thing, you know, boom,the, the, the white circle.
Then poof, I'm.
I'm hearing breathe, breathe,and and some time had passed and
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my memory was being in thisroom of light making a contract
of sorts, and I made anagreement in this place that I
was at.
I don't remember the details ofit, but I'm pretty confident
what I did.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Committed.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I sealed the deal, I said okay, but as I was
coming back, I started weepingand just was so joyous.
I've never had a more joyousexperience in my life.
I was just like whoa, this isjust.
(05:06):
And I didn't realize it.
Well, and then in a moment Iwas, you know, sort of coming
back and I saw this vision and Isaw the end.
I saw that I had solved thisproblem and so I said, oh, I've
healed myself.
I just need to finish the walkon the physical place.
So I just need to finish thewalk on the physical place.
(05:29):
So I, I, I created the placefor what is happening to happen,
and I saw that it will happen,it's done and and.
But when things happen in in, ina place like that, it doesn't
mean they're necessarily.
You still have choices to make,you can still screw everything
up at any given moment, and so.
But I knew the path was clearand I could, and I knew how to
take it and it was.
(05:49):
It was such a powerfulexperience.
I didn't realize it like thisall happened in a second, like
there was no time that hadpassed.
And I, later on my wife comesdown, there were some other
people that were there andapparently I was just screaming
and writhing on the ground whileI was in this place and this
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guy was like is he OK?
Is he OK?
And she's like, what was hedoing?
You know, he was screaming, hegoes, that's just a warrior cry,
he's all right.
And I don't remember any ofthat part of it.
I was pretty sandy when I wasdone, but other than that it was
uh, and subsequently it took afew days to really get the full
(06:35):
effect of it.
But what had happened?
That joy that came.
I literally had lost everythingthat was holding me back, all
the anger, all the hurt, all thebetrayals that stuck in me, the
grudges, everything it was gone, it just was wiped clean.
(06:58):
And even things that reallybothered me, really like I just
couldn, couldn't, I couldforgive, but I couldn't forget.
I tried to look at them andthey were just fuzzy and and it
literally was it's gone.
And I got a if there's a cleanslate.
I got a clean slate and what itdid was it gave me that focus.
(07:22):
There's all those things,they're all distractions.
Everything that bothers you,everything that angers you,
everything that irritates you,everything that frustrates you,
they're all distractions.
And these answers start comingto me.
So in my research I'm reallyfocusing on diet, you know, and
(07:51):
this ketogenic diet, and Istumble upon this word called
methionine and I read thisarticle called Cancer's
Addiction to Methionine and Istart looking into that.
I'm like holy shit, this is big.
(08:15):
And methionine is a basic aminoacid.
It's a precursor to others,it's in everything you know,
it's, it's, it's in everything.
And as I continued to research,I found this enzyme,
methioninase, and I'm like whoa,there's an enzyme I can block
this thing out.
Maybe there's an answer.
Well, I thought I could buy iton amazon or you know, just
(08:39):
order it.
No, no, it turns out there'sone guy who makes it and his
name is dr hoffman, dr roberthoffman.
And it turns out there's oneguy who makes it and his name is
Dr Hoffman, dr Robert Hoffman.
And it turns out, if you lookup this information, 80% of the
public works from 1971 untiltoday.
This is the guy that's behindmost of the research, and I sent
him an email.
I says I'd like to get some ofthis methionine.
(09:00):
He sends me back an email andsays give me a call.
I give him a call.
He's like tell me what's up.
And I told him.
He says, okay, we need to getyou, we need to get you going on
this.
I'll send you all theinformation.
You need to talk to this otherdr castro.
He does genetic work.
He'll tell you some stuff.
And I he says we have thismeeting, uh, a call, every
(09:25):
Sunday at four o'clock.
I'd love to have you join us.
And so I'm like, okay, and andand.
When you get clarity, yourintuition turns on clearer and
you don't second guess yourselfthe way that at least I always
did, you know, and I'd get afeeling.
I'm like, ah, nah, you know, Iget all bad feelings all the
(09:47):
time, right, but now it's like,no, I'm just like you need to go
here, this is a thing, you needto learn this and do this.
And so I get on this call andthere's about 20, 30 people from
around the world who have beenon a low methionine diet and
working with this methioninaseenzyme.
(10:08):
And there's miracle stories,people that were, you know,
terminal four years ago stillwalking around, people that have
had, you know, tumors reducedto zero.
You know just one after another.
And it's not just that.
It's this one thing there's noone silver bullet.
(10:28):
Everybody thinks there's thisone silver bullet.
Well, it might be for you, butnot in general.
Every cancer is unique, everyone.
It's infinite.
Every single one is its ownthing and the answer that worked
for me may or may not work foryou and the cannabis that's
helped so many people.
I go meet Dr Castro.
(10:49):
What turns out?
This thing's caused by the HPVvirus, which is the good news
because it's 95% cure rate.
If it was caused by bad choices, which most of them are, it has
about a 45% cure rate.
And so I says, all right, I gotthe luck of the draw, I've got
this thing.
So I go see this Dr Castro.
(11:10):
He looks through my chart,looks at my blood work.
I tell him all the things I'mdoing.
I'm now in month three of mycannabis oil.
He says you better stop takingthat cannabis oil.
He says, because your cancer,the cannabis oil masks.
It turns these switches offthat cause your immune system
(11:30):
not to see it.
So whatever you're going to tryto do isn't going to work
because this is blocking it.
I said, son of a bitch, I brokemy heart.
I did many episodes on my loveaffair with cannabis and the
broken heart and it turned outit wasn't for me.
All the people I've helped andI've even taken, you know, skin
(11:51):
things off of my own.
You know, I just watchedmiracles happen, but not for me,
and Well for this particularsituation with you.
Exactly.
Oh, it does lots of good thingsfor me and it still does, but
not this Right.
And so, through this process,dr Hoffman is an advocate of
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combination therapies.
So I had in my mind radiation,chemo, bad, no matter what, it's
just bad.
There's no application where Iwould say I want this.
Well, go to the radiationdoctor and he says you don't
want surgery because you'regoing to be disfigured if they
take that thing out of you.
You're going to have a big holewhere that thing was, and you
(12:40):
know.
So what we want to do is wewant to give you radiation and
chemo and that'll.
It'll hurt you pretty bad, butyou'll survive it probably, and
there'll be more of you left.
And I'm like, whoa, ok, so nowI'm researching radiation.
I don't want anything to dowith radiation.
I still don't want anything todo with radiation, and and so.
But I said, whatever it takes,so I'm going.
(13:04):
Okay, let's keep going.
I'm just exploring.
Every doctor's giving me goodadvice and bad advice.
So I'm like, okay, I'm just nowlooking at a collective body of
work and there's this Dr Examethat's on this group who was
four years ago diagnosedterminal and through the things
he's doing, he's still doing it.
(13:26):
And so I'm listening to him.
I start learning about radiationand chemo.
What is it?
What are these things?
Well, they're oxidativetherapies and they basically
bombard with oxidation.
That's what causes the celldeath.
And so you go okay, well, whatelse is oxidative therapies?
And it turns out, you know, Ican take a lot of oxygen and I
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can take food grade peroxide, Ican take ozone, I can take
chlorine dioxide, there's allthese ways to get oxygen
exercise, you know, good,healthy diet, all these things
you can really oxygenateyourself.
Turns out, cancer doesn't likeoxygen.
So now I'm learning aboutcancer, what it wants and what
it doesn't want, what it doesand what it doesn't do, getting
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to know this thing.
That is me but isn't me.
You know, it's me, but it's,it's broken, it's not.
It doesn't act like healthycells, it doesn't know how to
stop, right exactly, and itdoesn't want to stop.
And so it turns out that itdoesn't like warmth and it
doesn't like oxygen.
(14:31):
So guess what?
I'm going to give it lots ofwarmth and lots of oxygen, and
so that's my sort of preliminarystrategy.
It turns out that all of theradiation and chemo, it's this
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highly oxidative therapy.
So when you combine it withthese oxidation treatments.
It supercharges, it makes itwork better.
Okay, so that's one side of thecoin.
The other side of the coin iswhen you take methionine out of
your diet as much as you can andthen you take this enzyme to
pull it out of your bloodstream,it's really the methionine that
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causes the cancer to be able todo the processes that allow it
to replicate.
So everybody thinks that sugarand all of that well, that's all
bullshit.
It's not bullshit, but it isnot complete, because cancer can
eat anything.
It can eat whatever you can eat.
So if you go into ketosis, wellfine, it'll eat ketones.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Does sugar affect methionine levels?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
No, methionine is really protein-derived Protein,
got it, it's an amino acid,really protein derived protein.
Got it, it's an amino acid, allright.
So it turns out I was doingeating all this meat and and and
good quality meat and fish anda lot of sardines and doing the
doing it.
All right, you know, and youknow good quality everything,
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but I was eating lots of it.
Well, all I was doing wastelling that cancer, go ahead,
replicate, because whatever itis you're eating, you have the
tools to replicate.
Now you start retaking themethionine now and it doesn't
matter what you eat.
I can eat fruit all day longnow, but no methionine and it's
getting smaller.
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There is.
This is truth.
This is a truth I've discovered.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And there are.
Are there foods that are highin methionine or that cause?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh yeah, all protein, all meats and all.
I'm a.
I'm a strict vegan right now,yeah, and I hate it.
I mean, I, I, I, I love meatand I love eggs and I love that
stuff.
It brings me joy and I don'tget to eat it right now and when
I'm done I'll have a cheat dayand then fast and that's the
(16:54):
whole thing.
Anyways, through all of this,I'm learning about.
You know the actual facts andDr Hoffman has been behind a lot
of the research and publishedall these papers, but medical
science isn't interested.
When I bring this to thedoctors, they're looking at me
like, yeah, whatever, we knowwhat, we know, we don't know
(17:16):
that and they're not interestedat all.
They don't want to hear it.
And with him, just like youknow, when you know something
and not everybody knows, you getpushed away.
Nobody wants to embrace a newthing, and so he's been, you
know, not invited to all the,all the symposiums and and all
this, and and yet he's published, you know, most of the.
(17:38):
He comes on my podcast everyweek.
We talk about science and my,my, my prog, my progress and all
this stuff.
Anyways, fast forward.
I was still all I had.
Then I talked to the chemodoctor and she was in link with
the radiation doctor.
She says this is what we got todo.
We got to do this double-edgedsword and we got to hit you hard
(18:02):
with this thing, and that's theonly thing that's going to turn
this thing around.
Well, in bringing all this to,they said well, you got to get
dental clearance before you getradiation.
And so I go to the dentist andthe first dentist says well, we
got to pull all your teeth out.
I'm like hell, no.
So then I go to another dentistand the other dentist says well
(18:22):
, we got to pull three teeth outbecause with radiation, when
they with head and neck cancer,there's no way they can radiate.
Just this, it's not a spot.
Radiation is going to get intoyour bones, it's going to screw
it up and you'll never be ableto have dental work after you
have radiation.
You have to do everythingyou're going to ever do before
(18:42):
you have radiation, if you'regoing to have radiation, before
you have radiation, if you'regoing to have radiation.
Well, I went to this biologicaldentist and and she basically um
, gave me this thing, this, this, and meanwhile something told
me there's got to be anotheranswer.
There's got to be anotheranswer.
And so I'm getting hung up andmeanwhile this thing's getting
(19:04):
bigger and bigger witheverything I'm doing, even with
the methionine restriction.
It's slowing it down but it'snot stopping it.
I can tell I'm now in a placewhere I'm interacting with this
thing on a cellular level, on anelectrical level.
We're arm wrestling.
I mean it was a thing and I waspushing it back, but it was.
(19:29):
You know it was not an easypush and I couldn't do it
forever.
I knew that.
And finally Dr Hoffman comes up.
I'm like I'm not getting this,it's not getting done and I need
to do something.
And he says you know, I got anidea.
That's it's not getting doneand I need to do something.
He says you know I got an idea.
He says why don't you recommendgo to your, your chemo doctor,
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and and and ask her if she wouldbe willing to do a neoadjuvant,
first-line treatment?
And what that is is it's aprecursor said, well, let's just
shrink it down a little bit andthen we'll go and do your thing
.
And I said, and we did researchand we came to find there's this
three drug chemo cocktail thathas been successful in the
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cancer that I have all the way.
But I said I just said howabout we do this first, just to
give me some breathing timewhile I try to get my teeth
figured out.
She agreed to it.
I gave her the drugs, I gaveher the cocktail.
I said this is what I want todo, will you do it?
She agreed, okay, that's wheneverything started shifting.
(20:35):
So I learned at this point, nowand now, the clarity.
This is after the third peyotesession and I'm getting
information and separating,getting answers.
It's really I mean, I'm in aplace now and nothing else is in
my way.
All I'm doing is this.
And so I come to find out thatif you do chemo and you fast for
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two or three days prior and oneday after, you can drastically
improve the value of the chemoand drastically reduce the side
effects.
Interesting, yeah.
And so this is all coming fromthese multiple streams of
information, these people thatare actually doing it, and I'm
(21:21):
like, ok, I think I got a plan.
And so then, and it's like okay,then I realized, oh, I got to
get a port installed becausethis chemo is bad stuff and
it'll blow your veins out.
And it turned out there was.
And meanwhile, I mean, thisthing is getting.
I mean this thing is now agrapefruit sticking out of me
and it's got another thingsticking out of it it was
(21:44):
starting to weep.
I mean it was bad.
I got a photo documentation ofthe whole thing.
It's just, it was bad.
I couldn't go anywhere.
I couldn't.
I mean, I was more or lessbedridden at this point and I'm
just giving everything I got tothis, giving everything I got,
(22:08):
finally, the last second thatinsurance approves the port I go
in and I get the thing.
Two days later I get thisinfusion and I got to carry
around this poison pump for fivedays, literally every minute,
pumping poison into me.
Brutal, just brutal.
But you know what?
After about three days, Inoticed it starting to shrink
and what you're looking at isfour weeks after I began this
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chemo session and when we're allsaid and done, I'll send you a
picture of what it looked likebefore Four weeks.
Right now, the doctors areeverybody's blown away.
Now we're talking about notnecessarily having to do any
other therapy.
I've got one more session to goand I'm yeah, and I started
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sleeping.
I couldn't sleep.
I wasn't sleeping more than anhour and a half because of the
pain.
Literally my skin wasstretching to the part where
it's been a break and that waswaking me up every hour, hour
and a half.
It was just brutal, just brutal.
And that was waking me up everyhour, hour and a half.
It was just brutal, just brutal.
And that's where I came to thatplace of reckoning.
You know, it's like whoa, andnow I sleep.
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The side effects have beenminimal.
Cannabis came back into my life,turns out.
It's really good for nausea andappetite, and I got that moment
of hey, remember me.
It came and talked to me.
It said I'm still here for youand I'm like, oh yeah, that
thing that you're so good at,let's go.
And so now, when I need it,it's there for me.
(23:40):
But just, it's been thisincredible, incredible story and
I literally have subscriberepisodes.
Now I've got a bunch ofsubscribers that actually pay to
listen to this podcast and Ihave detailed the, the journal.
I mean, that's, it's really myjournal.
(24:00):
So when I get back and if Ineed to study it, I can go back
to where I was, because I toldthe story as it was happening in
in real time.
So I've captured it all and I Idon't do it as often anymore
because now I've got otherthings I'm doing, but when that
that's all I was doing.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just about every day or two I was updating the
journal and um yeah, and youseem, and you seem to be in a
really good place, man.
I mean, I am in a wonderfulplace.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
you're, yeah, and this is just only a few days
after the chemo.
I still got a little chemodrunk in my head right now, but
it's it's.
You know I got to tell you, dan, as crazy as it sounds, this
most difficult thing that I'vehad to go through has been the
(24:47):
biggest blessing of my life.
It usually works out that wayhas been the biggest blessing of
my life it usually works outthat way.
Just incredible.
And you know it's wild.
I've been forged three times.
You know the first one was justa divorce, that was a pretty
easy one.
But second one was the battlewith the government.
You know six years of anguishand being beat down and forged.
(25:07):
This is my third forging.
So I feel as I'm starting tocool and sharpen this blade.
I'm feeling pretty darn goodabout it we're battle seasoned
yes, indeed indeed, but you know, it brings perspective to
everything and and that's reallywhere that, that point of view
(25:28):
that you know, really lets thewhole landscape take on a
different.
You can see things from fartherback, I think.
When you've experienced thingslike this, you know the things
that people get caught up on andstuck in and mired in and
whatever distracted by.
You're like, ah, that's noteven a thing.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And I think you know, like, for me, then all that
makes sense and it's the dharmayou have to do.
But the common denominator isjust the ability to be able to
appreciate my life.
Yes, and the things in it.
Yes, like I'll go out in thesun.
Yes, I'm in northeastregon herein this spring.
You're it's, it's perfect.
(26:15):
Yeah, and I feel it on my thesun on my skin.
Yes, yes, god, it's not cold,it's like baby bear, perfect I
love it and and that is rare yes, life and it's like that, I
think, is the biggest part ofour Dharma.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, Is that?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
ability to be able to , because once you do that, get
to the end of the ride, rightBody goes yeah.
Well, okay, I've been there.
I did that Instead of theregret of oh man, I wished I
would have done that.
Oh man, oh man, I wish I wouldhave done that exactly, and it's
again, it's a whole surfaceline.
Better to regret something youdid do than something you didn't
(26:58):
do absolutely, because when yousomebody, if you're regretting
something you did do, they'resort of like you can compensate
for there's something.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
you got something for it, for for sure, even if it
hurts, you got something out ofit.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But I'm just amazed you can do it.
Yeah, and just the beauty.
Yeah, the beauty.
I get overwhelmed, yes, but Ilove it.
Yes, okay, yes, that's whatthis is about.
Yes, not just you know me andmy personal venture here.
It's like my contribution tohumanity.
(27:33):
Yeah, oh good, you appreciatedthat exactly.
And and the, the, this, this,um, oh god, brain farts again.
Just so many things.
So so you know different, yeahto go to and the appreciation of
this, but, man, I'm glad you'redoing great.
Do you want to get in touchwith Dr Mirza Behi?
(27:58):
He's connected with a lot ofthese people.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I haven't talked to him in many years.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I talked to him out again.
He's still struggling.
He had to deal with his stuffbut he has helped a number of
people.
Janet was one.
She got some, has helped anumber of people.
Janet was one.
She got some cancer.
He knows these people, he, hemay know this Hoffman, yeah,
yeah, and, and he's got thoseconnections.
So next time I talk to himwe're supposed to be soon here
I'll tell him to give you a call.
Absolutely, and that's reallywhere this?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I feel like I have a flag that I'm I can help bring
in at this new paradigm and andI, it's your Dharma.
Yeah, exactly, and I, I feeleverybody I talked to like you
say at least you can plant theseed and and that's if, if,
that's all I can do.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's good.
That's good.
It's not your responsibility.
All you have to.
That's good.
It's not your responsibility.
All of us, we just plant.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I can do my part.
Yeah, and my part is share theknowledge, share my experience.
Who?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
is not having expectations.
Right, you've got to let go ofit.
Okay, there it is.
Yeah, maybe just show one moretime here.
This is special and then that'sit Absolutely.
My dharma requires me to tryonce.
Yes, absolutely my dharmarequires me to try once.
Yes, you know so I.
You tell somebody the storyonce.
If you really care about or ifyou think of a different way to
(29:17):
say it, you may try again, butthen just let it go.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, let it go and you know what it does is.
It gives you much more time toexperience other things, and and
to find those people who dohave the first round for that
scene.
Yes, and again, it's at action.
You just keep going, you keepmoving, you keep meeting, you
keep talking.
It's a, it's a.
Yes, I'm right there with you.
Well, dan, I I tell you thishas been an amazing conversation
(29:43):
.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I knew it would be, and there's always we can do is,
if people are interested, ifthey they got questions, let's
do it again I love it, I love it, awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, thank you so much.
Is there any parting shot youhave for any seed you want to
plant here?
Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, not really.
You know, life is good.
I kind of disillusioned withthe whole cannabis industry.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Watching the greed that's taken over.
Yeah, avoid that.
Simple solutions to all of ourproblems.
We're not distracted anymore.
All right, we got thispresident that he likes to just
oh, stroke of the pen.
Stroke of the pen, you want tosolve our problems.
Limit personal wealth andholdings to $100 million.
(30:28):
There you go, period.
And then all the rest, all ofthe rest of that, and I did the
math on this, joe.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I call it excess wealth In America.
This is just America.
This is not the world.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Just in America, the excess wealth that people have
over $100 million equals about$35 trillion.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Whoa geez.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What the debt?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I was going to say that sounds like our debt level.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's the debt.
So my mantra now is hey, Ithink it's time to repossess the
Lambo.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I can't Austerity.
We need austerity at the top.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, that's a great parting shot, Dan.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
I look forward to talking withyou again soon.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Likewise, joe.
Keep on the path, man.
All right, it's been the.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine,and we'll see you next time.
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