July 9, 2025 • 40 mins
Dive deep into the world of holistic healing with Megan Edge, a master healer whose diverse background spans from counseling and metaphysical practices to geology and ethical wildcrafting. Megan's approach to wellness breaks through conventional boundaries, weaving together intuitive energy work, plant medicine, and community building to create lasting transformation.
What sets Megan apart is her Gemini-driven curiosity that has allowed her to develop multiple healing modalities under one powerful umbrella. Having worked in metaphysical fields like astral projections and rune work since 2007, she eventually created her own healing system called Intuitive Energy Massage. Through our conversation, she reveals how childhood experiences with nature-connected parents shaped her path and how significant life challenges eventually led her to take a crucial two-year hiatus to prevent burnout—walking her own talk about the importance of self-care.
The most fascinating aspect of our discussion centers on Megan's relationship with plant medicine. After a profound moment collecting tree resin with her daughter, she recognized the healing potential all around us in the natural world. Unlike pharmaceuticals, Megan explains that plant medicines are "whole entities with energy and spirit," requiring relationship rather than mere extraction. Her ethical foraging practices and botanical formulations through Beyond the Garden Gate share these healing gifts with others, while her foraging tours teach people to recognize medicine and food in their own environments.
We discover remarkable parallels in our life paths, both having diverse career trajectories that ultimately coalesced into purposeful healing practices. Megan's story reminds us that sometimes the universe delivers wake-up calls to realign us with our true purpose. Whether through her counseling, botanical remedies, oracle cards, or certification programs, Megan creates multiple access points for those seeking deeper healing.
Connect with Megan through her website, YouTube channel with over 300 videos, or explore her Heart's Journey Healing Hearts oracle Cards. What healing modality might transform your wellness journey?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome back to the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Megan Edge and veryfew guests have I interviewed
that I've got so much in commonwith.
So I'm looking forward to thisinterview.
But Megan, since 2007, has beenhelping people through her
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counseling service, and shefocuses on empowerment, deep
healing of emotional, energeticand physical trauma.
She's worked in themetaphysical fields astral
projections, runes, stones,dream work and so much more.
She's got many certificationprograms, along with degrees in
social work, women's studies andgeology of all things.
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She's been named a masterhealer, a generational forger,
and this is something thatinterests me a lot.
She has ethically harvestedfrom the forest since a child
and, through her shot beyond thegarden state, she shares Mother
Nature's healing bounty withher teas, salves and tinctures.
She's also the creator of theHeart's Journey, healing Hearts,
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oracle Cards and Guidebook.
Megan, welcome to the show.
You've got a wealth ofexperience and we've got so much
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Thank you, joe.
I really appreciate it and I'mexcited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Excellent, excellent.
So up near Vancouver I supposeyou have much more forests than
I have down in SouthernCalifornia, so I'm interested to
hear about your foragingexploits.
But you know, let's get to knowyou first.
You have this giant wealth ofexpertise that covers a pretty
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broad spectrum.
It sounds to me like you'repretty ambitious and motivated
and have a lot of purpose inyour life, which is important.
I think we also have that incommon.
Just tell me a little bit aboutwhat brought you to all this.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Sure, I'd be happy to .
I'm a Gemini and I'm startingwith that because I am too.
Oh are you, oh perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
There we go, I think.
I understand a lot more now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, the best quote that Iever have seen for a Gemini came
on a bookmark that was given tome for my I don't know 11th
birthday, 9th birthday,something like that, and it said
Gemini, a busy mind in manyplaces.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I love it, I love it.
I have always equated my I callit a monster my just constant
energy and constant wanting toexplore and learn since I was a
little kid.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Every day I wake up ready to go, and I can't wait to
go see what's next.
Well, in a blur, though, I mean, I tell you what time goes by
very fast.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, it sure does, but then also it's so full I
mean every single report card Iever brought home as a kid said.
Megan is an enthusiasticstudent and asks lots of
questions, but needs more focusin her focus.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh yeah, they put me in, though they called it the
MGM program.
We were supposedly gifted,right, but I was always the one
put off to the side because Ijust got in the way of everybody
.
They had to keep me over there.
Then they thought, you know,they told my parents, you know I
was probably nine or 10.
They says, oh, I think he'shyperactive.
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We're going to have to, youknow, get him evaluated.
My parents are like we'll justkeep him busy.
They were exactly.
It was before the Ritalin days,and so we oh well, thank
goodness you missed that,because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, that's a whole other area that we could
talk about.
Medicating children to keepthem quiet and calm and
well-behaved.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What the yeah, and giving them speed to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Oh, it's just yeah, but, as I say, that's a whole.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But anyways, I can now understand your broad
spectrum of knowledge becauseI've got that as well.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, and I was also very fortunate to have parents
that were very curious about theworld.
My father was a journalist,became publisher of a major
newspaper in Canada, so he wasalways asking questions, he was
always investigating.
And my mother was a creative,which I mean that wasn't a word
that was used then, but itcertainly would apply to her now
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if she were still with us.
So her creativity, her artistictalents, her always wanting to
be involved with the environmentin some way or another, not as
a crusader, but as living in herenvironment, you know,
understanding the plants,understanding the herbs, both of
them were foodies.
I was very, very fortunate togrow up, I think, with curious
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parents who wanted to give meexperiences of the natural world
that as I became an adult Irealized, oh, that isn't
everyone's experience.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Exactly, isn't that wild?
Yeah, we tend to think that ourexperience is shared with
everybody.
And then, as you get out thereand start meeting people, you're
like later man, why don't youknow this?
Or why is it that important toyou?
And just, most people justdon't have that sort of thing.
So that's very fortunate foryou.
And so you're exposed to allthese things, but still, you
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know, as a kid kid, I mean I wasvery rebellious as a kid so a
lot of the things my parentswanted to expose me to I
rejected and I went after a lotof the things they weren't
interested in showing me.
Just, it was my nature.
But um, to get into, you know,herbs and the healing arts, um,
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that not everybody does, thatyou know and a lot of people are
focused on their own, whatevertheir own well-being or their
own interest, and this issomething that affects a lot of
people generally, instead of,you know, just yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh, that's, that's very true.
And but again, you know, goingback to those early childhood
influences, I guess because mymother was the kind of person
who would bring home the birdwith the broken wing or bring in
the kid who was picking wormsup off the sidewalk after the
rainstorm and putting them backin the soggy grass and bringing
home the pigeons.
And it just became my way ofbeing in the world.
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And when I was trying to figureout what do I want to be when I
grow up, I mean I had a lovelylist, including I wanted to be
the first female Dalai Lama ofTibet.
That may still happen, butprobably in a next lifetime.
But also I always wanted to be ateacher.
And I wasn't sure how that wasgoing to unfold Until I realized
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in my 20s I was always teaching.
No matter what kind of job Idid whether I was in retail or
gardening or landscaping orbanking I was always educating
people.
It mattered to me that theyunderstood what it was that they
were doing and what wasimpacting them, what was
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affecting them.
And especially when I wasworking at the bank, I did a lot
of counseling, a lot offinancial counseling with people
.
The bank I did a lot ofcounseling, a lot of financial
counseling with people and itoccurred to me at one point I
could be getting paid to offerthis support to people in a way
that is specifically orientedtowards health and healing.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's interesting.
I found myself in that sort ofsame situation where people have
always asked me you know, whatdo you?
I mean this situation, whatshould I do?
I'm like, why are you asking me?
You know, it's like you thinkabout it like that way, but I
didn't never really, you know,just told him what I thought.
But it's always been that wayand I don't have any credentials
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or degrees or anything.
There's like nothing that saysthis guy should have an answer
for you, but about the, what weproject, or something that draws
that to you.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yes, yeah, for sure there's.
There's a personality, thatthere's an emotion or emoting,
that happens.
And complete strangers on thebus Suddenly I'm hearing their
life story right, or on theairplane.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, absolutely no, I've got a lot of stuff.
So you decided at one point see, I never got to that point,
which maybe I ought to but youdecided, hey, wait a minute,
there's actually a career pathhere.
And how did that?
You're in banking.
What happened there?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, go backwards a little bit to university and I
was doing women's studies andsocial work and a whole bunch of
other courses of interest,including geology, and I knew at
that point I wanted to be acounselor for survivors of
sexual assault.
I really narrowed it down tothat understanding and seeing
the impact of those sorts ofexperiences on a person's sense
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of themselves, right down to thevery core only.
I realized after working on acrisis line for a year as a
trauma counselor that I hadn'tdone enough of my own work to be
able to create a boundarybetween myself and the women
that I was were helping.
I would, I would take on theirstories and I and I recognized
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that I needed to do my own workfirst and that perhaps in my
early 20s I was a little tooyoung and a little too
inexperienced of the world.
Yet to really be of service inthe way that I deeply wanted to
be, to create with my clientthat deep and permanent healing.
And I was also in a mainstreameducation system that had, at
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least at the time, very limitingideas about what is possible in
healing for that sort of trauma.
So I stepped away from that.
After I got my degree Iactually pivoted into geology,
which I love because I love theearth sciences and I love nature
and I wanted to have thatexperience.
And then, you know, bopped intoa bunch of different areas of
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work in an effort to discoverwhere I could land.
So that was the banking andthat was the managing a garden
center and I had a daycare for awhile and I was doing all of
these things with the knowing,the intuitive, knowing that at
some point in my life it wouldall coalesce, it would all
become useful in an umbrellasort of not academy, but like an
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umbrella situation that I wouldbe able to say this is who I am
and this is what I do, andevery bit of everything I'd ever
done would come in handy.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Wow, you know we share so much in common.
I I don't know that Iarticulated it that well, but I
have this crazy resume as wellthat goes from a wedding venue
to a painter, to real estatefinance, to I mean all these
things.
But I always had this, and Idon't know how to describe it,
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but it was like this really farperspective that said, there's
this thing happening that all ofthis is tied together somehow,
and I never necessarily knew itor understood it.
But you know, now I have anonprofit where we have a
botanical garden that we run,that we offer therapeutic
horticulture and education, andthat's where it all came
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together.
And now I'm building thiscommunity, working with plant
medicines and all of thesedifferent healers and modalities
, and it's literally allcoalescing right now under this
nonprofit.
So again, it seems like we'vecome to this strange parallel
universe here.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, and I love that
that's what you're doing,because that is totally in
alignment with my approach tohealing, which is that a
holistic approach to healing iswhat's going to create permanent
and deep healing.
We can't keep segmentingourselves, our psyches, our
bodies into more and morespecialization without having a
conversation with each part ofourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's no one real solution for anything you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, exactly, the toe doctor really does need to
talk to the elbow doctor.
They shouldn't be going toseparate conferences right, oh,
100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I love the holistic approach and I think it's
paramount to, like you said,finding real healing, you know,
and lasting, hopefully, but real.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Exactly and being aware of our environment,
physical environment, that thatwe surround ourselves with, is
hugely important and you knowthere's been this surge lately,
in the last decade, of thingslike forest bathing, earth
earthing, grounding, that kindof thing, philosophy which is
basically being in the ocean,being in salt water, forest
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bathing, is going for a walk inthe woods.
Now, I grew up with all of that, so I remember the first time I
heard the term forest bathing,I think what are you talking
about?
It's a walk in the woods,exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then you think about that walk in the woods and how
it makes you feel.
And you're like walk in thewoods and how it makes you feel.
And you're like, oh, I see,somebody figured it out.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Exactly, exactly.
And just last week actually, Iwas featured in an article in
Martha Stewart Magazine aboutnostalgic gardening and it's
this idea that you know, youbring back into your garden
space or your balcony orwhatever, those plants, those
flowers that have memory for youfrom something significant when
you were younger.
And my approach to it with thewoman who was writing the
article was that the healingapproach.
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Right, you know, it's not thetechnical about what you put in
the garden, it's the memorythat's invoked in you when you
breathe in and you smell thelilacs and you remember.
For me it's lilacs and Iremember being a little child
and looking at lilac flowers andand all of that.
And it's just, it's so simple.
And yet, because it's so simple, I think it gets overlooked in
the healing journey.
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So the fact that you've createda botanical garden with
horticultural therapy at thebase of it is it's just, it's so
beautiful and the key of it isthat the premise is simple Every
healing modality or activity isenhanced by nature.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's really just that simple and, like what you're
talking about, there's sciencebehind it.
The limbic system is the partof your brain that connects
sense with memory.
So you smell this thing and ittakes you back to your great
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grandma's house when you werefour years old.
And it's just that scent thatchemically connects this to your
memory.
And it's science.
But to look at it in apractical way, that just says
you know, put this thing thatsomehow connects you.
It doesn't really matter how itworks right, it's just that it
works.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's exactly it.
And you know, when I look athealing as a modality, like the
wholeness of healing, it is notrocket science, it's fresh air,
it's clean water, it's good food, good nourishing food, it's
community.
You just have to look at theblue zones, you know why.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I mean, I know why science has to dissect it and
all of that.
But time, go outside, put yourface up to the sun, get some
vitamin d, it's free, it's free.
Go talk to somebody.
You know the connection, youknow you there's.
There's something about thathuman experience.
Like you say, the blue zone.
The biggest thing that reallythey have in common is the
community.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You know, the diets are not necessarily the same and
all of the different otherelements that we try to connect
aren't necessarily the same.
But motion, they all walkaround, they all, they all keep
moving and they have a strongcommunity.
That's the thing they really dohave in common.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Exactly, and I know that in our world today that is
for some people a huge challengeto have community even because
not only are we segmentingourselves physically and
emotionally with thosespecializations, but we're also
distancing ourselves from oneanother, you know, and never
mind the whole six foot fiasco.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Or social media and all of that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But we've got exactly , you know exactly, and in the
one hand it can be reallysupportive in these sorts of
instances, like we're doing thispodcast and maybe giving
somebody a, you know, light bulbidea of how they can help
themselves.
And then it's also the factthat it gets the screen, gets in
the way of the interactionbetween people.
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So put your phone down and lookat someone in the eyes and give
them a smile and see whathappens.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, and that's, you know, the reason why I do this
on a video conference so we canlook at each other's eyes.
But you know, I do a lot ofepisodes in person whenever I
can because I think that it's abetter experience.
And you know, I do a lot ofepisodes in person whenever I
can because I think that it's abetter experience.
And you know, one day, ifyou're ever down in Southern
California, I'd love to do thatand show you the gardens and
everything.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh, I would love that .
That would be wonderful.
Yes, once things settle down inyour country.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, we're a little chaotic right now.
I don't blame you.
I wouldn't want to travel hereif I live somewhere else right
now.
Hell, I don't want to goanywhere.
I'm afraid I can't come back.
It's crazy, I mean, but youknow that's also here nor there.
When we create our own world,and you know all the chaos
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that's happening wherever youare, you have choices about how
you deal with them and what youdo with your experience.
So you now have become.
You know you got into geology,you got into this, you know the
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women's counseling, and so wheredid you go from there?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, I've always been an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And yeah, and I've had a number of businesses.
Where did I go from there?
It's?
It's such an interestingquestion.
I, being a fellow Gemini, youknow that our brains are
constantly ping-ponging.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, maybe three different places at a time, but
it's okay, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But for me the bottom line is how can I be of service
?
Yeah, you know how can I helpothers?
I had a gardening group forseniors for a long time through
one of our municipalities and Iran a senior's garden group in
one of the public gardens and wegrew food, had community and we
did.
We did all of that.
But eventually, through mymother's health issues and her
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death unfortunately, and then myyoungest daughter, who was born
with life-threatening allergies, anaphylaxis, wow I started to
look around at how can I helpdifferently than other people
are helping.
Like what can I do?
That isn't mainstream medicine,isn't mainstream social work,
isn't mainstream psychology.
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How can I bring in intuition,spirituality, faith in whatever
that way that looks like to you,but also with practical skills
around you know food as medicineand plants as medicine.
And so I went down to Californiawith Doreen Virtue some people
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might be familiar with.
She's now stepped away from allof that work, but at the time
she was very much involved inspiritual healing and oracle
cards and so forth, and I wentdown and I did her program in
California, actually came backhere, did my practicum and put
my shingle out as a psychichealer.
That's where I started with.
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And as I started doing thatwork I realized that actually
there's so much more.
There's so much more.
And there's always going to beso much more yes, yeah, that's
right, and all of my interestsin metaphysical, whatever
metaphysical, the metaphysicalworld, you know, past lives and
energy healing and the sethmaterial and all of that that
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immediately started to seep intothe work I was doing with
people, okay, and after that itwas just it's been a matter of
one year at a time developingprograms and courses right off
the bat, group work off the bat,doing wellness shows, and
eventually created this likemini empire of work and
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resources for people andcertifying people to become
healers themselves Nice andcreating a healing modality
called intuitive energy massage,writing the creating the Oracle
cards in the box set of that.
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How can I help somebody ontheir healing journey?
By giving them back theirresponsibility for their
wellness, as well as empoweringthem to make good choices for
themselves, wise choices forthemselves, through all these
different modalities that I'vestudied and learned and
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certified in and worked andcreated as well.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I get it, I get, I get it, I, I um.
Just recently we had a guestcome on Um and I think she may
have either studied under you orum she she does.
I believe she said it wasintuitive energy massage.
And um, her name is V Martinezand, uh, she, she came on, came
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on, I don't know, a month ago orso, and she actually wants to
bring her practice to ourgardens, and you know yeah, oh
my gosh, I don't know yeah, yeah.
Well, that's the whole idea ofwhat we're doing is saying I
don't need to learn everything,I can just offer this canvas
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that says whatever you do, tryit here, it'll probably work
better.
Absolutely, I'll add anotherlayer of of, uh, healing to what
you're already bringing to itand, and a lot of times it
brings out in people theirbetter work.
You know, we're working in aenclosed cubicle, whether it's
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10 by 10 or 10 by 20 or 20 by 50.
You're generally in a squaresurrounded by walls and a roof
that keep the sunlight out andthe fresh air out, and you got
piped in air and you know emffrom your wi-fi and all these
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things that are sort of gettingin your way from being your best
and connecting somebody.
You go outside and all thosethings are stripped away way and
you know the, the naturalenergies and um elements and
gifts are there to be used and Ithink it just enhances
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everything.
So it sounds like you've builtquite a community.
Is that?
Is that kind of the case?
Or?
You know, with the technologytoday, you can help people
literally anywhere in the world,and yet it's my experience that
the personal, one-to-onecommunity is generally some of
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the strongest.
Yes, so do you have a localcommunity that is connected as
well?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I do, I do and it was part of my mission when I hung
that shingle out as healer isthat I didn't want to do it by
myself, nor did I think I shouldhave to do it by myself.
So when I started my classes,that was to create community,
and so when anybody went throughany of my workshops or courses
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or certifications, they became apart of the bigger community.
And then whenever there was ashow or there was an event, the
call would go out to thosepractitioners to show up and be
a part of that in order tosupport one another.
I mean, it's one thing to sayI'm going to help other people
heal, but if I don't havesomeplace where I can go as a
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healer and I can have mysupports in place, I'm going to
burn out which happens to a lotof healers burn out.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Most people that have the level of energy required to
build something like thisusually flame out after a while
because you, just you end upcarrying it and I mean I, I've
luckily I've got this monsterinside of me that never gave up.
But but frankly, you know, Isee how people do and most of
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most projects like this require,you know, a team successful.
But we as Gemini's are, youknow people, we could do
everything.
So we do, that's true, we don't.
And then all of a sudden, youknow you get sick or you get,
you know, hurt or somethinghappens that you know your
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subconscious says, hey, you needto sit down for a while, and
but it looks like you, youfigured that one out before it
got you.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, yes and no, I mean perfectly honest and
transparent.
I'm still human and I can sureas heck run a lot of marathons
without stopping until I'mstopped.
And in the last five years,with the way the world imploded,
there was a lot of pain thatshowed up for a lot of people
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and we had some reallysignificant losses over the last
five years on many levels, asdid everybody, and I found
myself at a point where Irealized no, I actually am burnt
out.
I'm sitting in front of a clientand they're telling me their
story and, quite frankly, I justwant to say pull up your big
girl panties and get on with it,because I don't have the
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bandwidth right now to empathizewhen I have all this stuff
going on, and so I took myselfout of the game for almost two
years.
I was still doing lots of thingsin the background, like my, my
beyond the garden gatebotanicals, um business, but
also I took myself off allsocial media.
I didn't participate in anyshows, any wellness, anything.
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I just focused in on my family,my daughters and what they
needed from me, my husband andmyself and it was the best thing
that I have ever done and I wasliterally walking my own talk.
You know, when I counsel peopleto say, and I say to them you
got to step out of your life fora while.
It's one thing to say that,it's another thing to actually
do it.
Yeah, realize how powerful itis to be able to step out of the
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external life you've createdfor yourself and really hone in
into like a hibernation mode ofself-care.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I totally get it.
I'm I'm currently recoveringfrom a very aggressive cancer
that hit me and I'm certain itwas because of my life choices.
You know they said it was avirus that caused it, but I
think you know 20 years of of of.
You know choices that taxed meto the point of no return and my
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body's like, yeah, you need tostop.
And again I removed myself fromeverything and disconnected
from most of my relationshipsand got down to.
You know you get this sense ofpriorities when you're faced
with whatever it is that getsyour attention and by the time
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it does like the old story themule skinner, when you get
whacked across the head with atwo by four, a few times, all of
a sudden you get your attentionand for me it was the most
difficult thing I've ever donebut also the most blessings I've
ever received from a situation.
And now I'm restructuring andbuilding in a way that isn't
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going to put me in that spotagain, and I have so many more
things I can offer people.
I've learned a lot of thingsabout things I thought I knew
and you know now I help peoplein a way that I couldn't help
before.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Which is perfect, and that's what.
That's how.
My experience has been that ifwe step away from the path that
we carved out for ourselvesbefore we came into this
lifetime, if we step too far offthe path for whatever reason,
there will be a rather strongnudge in some way or another.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
You see, if you want to fulfill your purpose, you got
to get back on the road,exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I call it the wake-up call.
You know, it's like bam, theregoes the carpet out from
underneath you and you've got torefocus your focus.
Which is ironic because in thebeginning of the interview I
said you know, one of thebiggest comments that teachers
made was that I didn't haveenough focus in my focus.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So there's the universe going Exactly.
Focus back over here.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You said you wanted this, so you got to do it.
Yeah, that's right.
Focus back over here.
You said you wanted this, soyou got to do it.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, as I'm watching ourlittle hourglass tick away, I
want to make sure we get to acouple of topics we also share
in common.
You're a formulator, you makenatural remedies, and I've been
doing that for 40 years myself,and so I just want to learn a
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little bit about what got youstarted and tell us a little bit
about that business.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Absolutely Well.
The pivotal moment was out on awalk with my daughter and one
of her really good friends andit's springtime and we're
walking through a forest of firtrees and my daughter's friend
pulls a little gooey bit of sapoff of the fur tree, of the baby
fur tree, and she smells it andshe says, oh my god, this
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smells just like christmas yeahand I I so I pinched a little
bit of that resin and I smelt itand I could feel my whole brain
lighting up yeah oh, this ismedicine yeah and I've got all
this time right now because theworld's imploded and no one
needs me at the moment.
Yeah, what can I do with thismedicine?
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I've got to do something withit, you know.
And then it was the pineneedles, or the fur needles as
well, those early spring furneedles.
You bite into that and yourmouth is just filled with citrus
yeah and I began a new quest tobetter understand how I could
bring plant medicinespecifically to people from the
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forest, from the naturalenvironment and I'm very
fortunate that I live right nearthe forest and I live near the
beach, you know.
So all of these resources arethere.
But then to take that andcreate a product from it that
somebody can then applytopically to their skin, or a
tincture that they can take andI'd worked with all of these
things in the past, but I hadn'tbeen the maker of them
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necessarily, certainly not atthe degree to which I'm doing it
now.
So it was that moment of justrecognition of this is medicine
people need.
How can I get it to them?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
What can I do with it ?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And then your foraging.
You know actually, when, whenyour publicist came to me
originally that was sort of thethe hook that that she sent and
I was like, oh, that'sinteresting.
You know, it's not somethingthat I can do a lot of, although
I built a botanical gardenwhere I grow the herbs not all
of the herbs I use, but a lot ofthe herbs I use Right, and I
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forge my own backyard.
Now, yes, yeah, it's differentthan finding something wild.
Occasionally, you know, I'll beout in a place where I'm able
to wildcraft some useful plants,but not nearly as often as I
would like.
And Canada is such a beautifulplace with so much wild areas
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that I'm sure, and plus justyour environment with all the
moisture and the things that alot of herbs like.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'm situated in a reallybeautiful space for growing
things, wild or or otherwise, orbringing wild things into the
into the garden.
My wild St John's wort is nowtaken over most of my garden.
Ask me over the years to takethem out on walks and to show
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them what they could eat.
That again I realized.
Oh, I could get paid to do this.
Yeah, why aren't I takingpeople out on foraging walks?
So that's another arm of underthe umbrella I love it is the
urban and wild foraging tours.
I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know you are truly living the dream.
I get foraging tours.
I think that's fantastic.
You know you are truly livingthe dream.
I get your dream and I think,again, we're on a similar path
in that you know you're doingthe thing you love to do and
you're making enough to live on.
And you know, for me that'slike a musician that gets paid
to play music or a singer thatgets paid to sing.
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It's like you're doing thatthing you have a gift for that
you obviously love doing andyou're able to let that be your
life and your career.
A couple of or one question.
You know we both haveexperienced, you know, the
metaphysical world.
I think that comes from justrealizing that there's so much
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more to this place than you cansee.
And again, we could probablyshare a lifetime of
conversations with that.
But one of the things that I'veexplored and I don't, I just
want to hear if you have is theworld of ethnobotanicals, and
you know I've spent considerableamount of time working with
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medicine.
Folks from you know NativeAmericans and South American
healers and the medicines thatthey work with and I found that
to be instrumental in me findingmy answers that I needed.
Have you gone down that road atall.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I sure have, and I would say that all of my work
with, with the plants is is ofthat nature.
Nice, and as you're talkingabout, I mean the key point.
The key difference between apharmaceutical and a plant
medicine is that a plantmedicine is a whole entity.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It has energy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It has energy energy, it has spirit, and so, yes,
it's about the relationship thatwe establish with the plant,
more than what piece of theplant can do what for us right
right, it's about extracting onemolecule.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's about spending time sitting with this plant and
having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Exactly, exactly, and the conversation is so
important, Like, for example,the St John's Wort that grows in
my garden now.
I was on a river.
I saw this little plant growinga few years ago.
I asked the plant, can I bringyou home?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I said sure, why not so?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
plants are generally pretty laid back about things.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Sure, I'll try a new environment and I planted it in
my garden.
And the thing is now, everytime I go out and I see that St
John's wort and all of itsfriends.
Now I go back to the river.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's that beautiful sunny day on that gorgeous river
, the first time I met that wildSt John's wort.
That's a part of therelationship and that's a part
of the healing I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah Well, that's fantastic and, as I suspected
would happen, we're running lowon time, but I could see many
conversations coming out of thisand I certainly invite you back
.
Why don't you give us yourpitch and tell us how people can
find you and engage with thisamazing community you've built?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Sure, I'd love to Thank you.
The way they can find me it'spretty simple Megan Edge Healing
.
Put it into any search engine.
You'll come up with Facebook.
You'll come up with my YouTube.
I have over 300 videos on myYouTube channel interviews,
podcasts, workshops that I'vegiven, all live talks that I've
given and little bits of wisdomand that sort of thing.
So that's a great place to goto get to know me and to see the
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way I do my work.
And then you can go to mywebsite at meganedgeca.
There's loads of stuff on there, too, and ways that you can
reach out to me and that we canwork together if this feels like
a fit.
I also have my Etsy store,which is Megan Edge Botanicals,
and you can find me on Learn itLive and the Wellness Universe
as an instructor.
So there's lots of classes thatI'm putting up there that
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people can learn from me, andthen I'm also doing in-person
classes.
I have a certification healercertification course called the
Confident Healer, and it is anin-person course right now, but
we're launching an onlineversion of it in 2026.
And that information will be onmy website my web.
Guy's on holidays, so it'sgoing to take a week or two, but
(37:03):
it will be there as well as theintuitive energy massage
courses and classes.
And then, of course, there's myOracle Cards, which we didn't
quite get to, but this isavailable through my website as
well or on Amazon.
You put in the Heart's Journey,healing Hearts, oracle Cards
and Guidebook and it will pop upat the various places where you
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can purchase it, or directlythrough me, and I'll sign it for
you.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Fantastic.
Well, megan, it's been anabsolute pleasure having this
conversation.
I certainly hope you decide tocome back and go deep into some
of these conversations.
Certainly hope you decide tocome back and go deep into some
of these conversations.
And just, I have seldom sharedas much of a life's parallel as
I have with you, so I'm kind ofhappy about all that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I love it and I would be delighted to come back, and
when things settle down, I'll bedriving down the coast and
coming to see you.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I love it.
Well, hopefully by then we'llhave some bungalows that you'll
be able to stay at.
We're working on that.
Love it, it'll be amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Well, folks, this has been another episode of the
Healthy Living Podcast.
We appreciate all your supportand we will see you next time.
Hello and welcome back to the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Megan Edge and veryfew guests have I interviewed
that I've got so much in commonwith.
So I'm looking forward to thisinterview.
But Megan, since 2007, has beenhelping people through her
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counseling service, and shefocuses on empowerment, deep
healing of emotional, energeticand physical trauma.
She's worked in themetaphysical fields astral
projections, runes, stones,dream work and so much more.
She's got many certificationprograms, along with degrees in
social work, women's studies andgeology of all things.
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She's been named a masterhealer, a generational forger,
and this is something thatinterests me a lot.
She has ethically harvestedfrom the forest since a child
and, through her shot beyond thegarden state, she shares Mother
Nature's healing bounty withher teas, salves and tinctures.
She's also the creator of theHeart's Journey, healing Hearts,
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oracle Cards and Guidebook.
Megan, welcome to the show.
You've got a wealth ofexperience and we've got so much
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Thank you, joe.
I really appreciate it and I'mexcited to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Excellent, excellent.
So up near Vancouver I supposeyou have much more forests than
I have down in SouthernCalifornia, so I'm interested to
hear about your foragingexploits.
But you know, let's get to knowyou first.
You have this giant wealth ofexpertise that covers a pretty
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broad spectrum.
It sounds to me like you'repretty ambitious and motivated
and have a lot of purpose inyour life, which is important.
I think we also have that incommon.
Just tell me a little bit aboutwhat brought you to all this.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Sure, I'd be happy to .
I'm a Gemini and I'm startingwith that because I am too.
Oh are you, oh perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
There we go, I think.
I understand a lot more now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, the best quote that Iever have seen for a Gemini came
on a bookmark that was given tome for my I don't know 11th
birthday, 9th birthday,something like that, and it said
Gemini, a busy mind in manyplaces.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I love it, I love it.
I have always equated my I callit a monster my just constant
energy and constant wanting toexplore and learn since I was a
little kid.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Every day I wake up ready to go, and I can't wait to
go see what's next.
Well, in a blur, though, I mean, I tell you what time goes by
very fast.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, it sure does, but then also it's so full I
mean every single report card Iever brought home as a kid said.
Megan is an enthusiasticstudent and asks lots of
questions, but needs more focusin her focus.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh yeah, they put me in, though they called it the
MGM program.
We were supposedly gifted,right, but I was always the one
put off to the side because Ijust got in the way of everybody
.
They had to keep me over there.
Then they thought, you know,they told my parents, you know I
was probably nine or 10.
They says, oh, I think he'shyperactive.
(03:28):
We're going to have to, youknow, get him evaluated.
My parents are like we'll justkeep him busy.
They were exactly.
It was before the Ritalin days,and so we oh well, thank
goodness you missed that,because.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, that's a whole other area that we could
talk about.
Medicating children to keepthem quiet and calm and
well-behaved.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
What the yeah, and giving them speed to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Oh, it's just yeah, but, as I say, that's a whole.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But anyways, I can now understand your broad
spectrum of knowledge becauseI've got that as well.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, and I was also very fortunate to have parents
that were very curious about theworld.
My father was a journalist,became publisher of a major
newspaper in Canada, so he wasalways asking questions, he was
always investigating.
And my mother was a creative,which I mean that wasn't a word
that was used then, but itcertainly would apply to her now
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if she were still with us.
So her creativity, her artistictalents, her always wanting to
be involved with the environmentin some way or another, not as
a crusader, but as living in herenvironment, you know,
understanding the plants,understanding the herbs, both of
them were foodies.
I was very, very fortunate togrow up, I think, with curious
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parents who wanted to give meexperiences of the natural world
that as I became an adult Irealized, oh, that isn't
everyone's experience.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Exactly, isn't that wild?
Yeah, we tend to think that ourexperience is shared with
everybody.
And then, as you get out thereand start meeting people, you're
like later man, why don't youknow this?
Or why is it that important toyou?
And just, most people justdon't have that sort of thing.
So that's very fortunate foryou.
And so you're exposed to allthese things, but still, you
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know, as a kid kid, I mean I wasvery rebellious as a kid so a
lot of the things my parentswanted to expose me to I
rejected and I went after a lotof the things they weren't
interested in showing me.
Just, it was my nature.
But um, to get into, you know,herbs and the healing arts, um,
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that not everybody does, thatyou know and a lot of people are
focused on their own, whatevertheir own well-being or their
own interest, and this issomething that affects a lot of
people generally, instead of,you know, just yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh, that's, that's very true.
And but again, you know, goingback to those early childhood
influences, I guess because mymother was the kind of person
who would bring home the birdwith the broken wing or bring in
the kid who was picking wormsup off the sidewalk after the
rainstorm and putting them backin the soggy grass and bringing
home the pigeons.
And it just became my way ofbeing in the world.
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And when I was trying to figureout what do I want to be when I
grow up, I mean I had a lovelylist, including I wanted to be
the first female Dalai Lama ofTibet.
That may still happen, butprobably in a next lifetime.
But also I always wanted to be ateacher.
And I wasn't sure how that wasgoing to unfold Until I realized
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in my 20s I was always teaching.
No matter what kind of job Idid whether I was in retail or
gardening or landscaping orbanking I was always educating
people.
It mattered to me that theyunderstood what it was that they
were doing and what wasimpacting them, what was
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affecting them.
And especially when I wasworking at the bank, I did a lot
of counseling, a lot offinancial counseling with people
.
The bank I did a lot ofcounseling, a lot of financial
counseling with people and itoccurred to me at one point I
could be getting paid to offerthis support to people in a way
that is specifically orientedtowards health and healing.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's interesting.
I found myself in that sort ofsame situation where people have
always asked me you know, whatdo you?
I mean this situation, whatshould I do?
I'm like, why are you asking me?
You know, it's like you thinkabout it like that way, but I
didn't never really, you know,just told him what I thought.
But it's always been that wayand I don't have any credentials
(08:00):
or degrees or anything.
There's like nothing that saysthis guy should have an answer
for you, but about the, what weproject, or something that draws
that to you.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yes, yeah, for sure there's.
There's a personality, thatthere's an emotion or emoting,
that happens.
And complete strangers on thebus Suddenly I'm hearing their
life story right, or on theairplane.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, absolutely no, I've got a lot of stuff.
So you decided at one point see, I never got to that point,
which maybe I ought to but youdecided, hey, wait a minute,
there's actually a career pathhere.
And how did that?
You're in banking.
What happened there?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, go backwards a little bit to university and I
was doing women's studies andsocial work and a whole bunch of
other courses of interest,including geology, and I knew at
that point I wanted to be acounselor for survivors of
sexual assault.
I really narrowed it down tothat understanding and seeing
the impact of those sorts ofexperiences on a person's sense
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of themselves, right down to thevery core only.
I realized after working on acrisis line for a year as a
trauma counselor that I hadn'tdone enough of my own work to be
able to create a boundarybetween myself and the women
that I was were helping.
I would, I would take on theirstories and I and I recognized
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that I needed to do my own workfirst and that perhaps in my
early 20s I was a little tooyoung and a little too
inexperienced of the world.
Yet to really be of service inthe way that I deeply wanted to
be, to create with my clientthat deep and permanent healing.
And I was also in a mainstreameducation system that had, at
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least at the time, very limitingideas about what is possible in
healing for that sort of trauma.
So I stepped away from that.
After I got my degree Iactually pivoted into geology,
which I love because I love theearth sciences and I love nature
and I wanted to have thatexperience.
And then, you know, bopped intoa bunch of different areas of
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work in an effort to discoverwhere I could land.
So that was the banking andthat was the managing a garden
center and I had a daycare for awhile and I was doing all of
these things with the knowing,the intuitive, knowing that at
some point in my life it wouldall coalesce, it would all
become useful in an umbrellasort of not academy, but like an
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umbrella situation that I wouldbe able to say this is who I am
and this is what I do, andevery bit of everything I'd ever
done would come in handy.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Wow, you know we share so much in common.
I I don't know that Iarticulated it that well, but I
have this crazy resume as wellthat goes from a wedding venue
to a painter, to real estatefinance, to I mean all these
things.
But I always had this, and Idon't know how to describe it,
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but it was like this really farperspective that said, there's
this thing happening that all ofthis is tied together somehow,
and I never necessarily knew itor understood it.
But you know, now I have anonprofit where we have a
botanical garden that we run,that we offer therapeutic
horticulture and education, andthat's where it all came
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together.
And now I'm building thiscommunity, working with plant
medicines and all of thesedifferent healers and modalities
, and it's literally allcoalescing right now under this
nonprofit.
So again, it seems like we'vecome to this strange parallel
universe here.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, and I love that
that's what you're doing,because that is totally in
alignment with my approach tohealing, which is that a
holistic approach to healing iswhat's going to create permanent
and deep healing.
We can't keep segmentingourselves, our psyches, our
bodies into more and morespecialization without having a
conversation with each part ofourselves.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
There's no one real solution for anything you know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, exactly, the toe doctor really does need to
talk to the elbow doctor.
They shouldn't be going toseparate conferences right, oh,
100%, 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I love the holistic approach and I think it's
paramount to, like you said,finding real healing, you know,
and lasting, hopefully, but real.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Exactly and being aware of our environment,
physical environment, that thatwe surround ourselves with, is
hugely important and you knowthere's been this surge lately,
in the last decade, of thingslike forest bathing, earth
earthing, grounding, that kindof thing, philosophy which is
basically being in the ocean,being in salt water, forest
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bathing, is going for a walk inthe woods.
Now, I grew up with all of that, so I remember the first time I
heard the term forest bathing,I think what are you talking
about?
It's a walk in the woods,exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then you think about that walk in the woods and how
it makes you feel.
And you're like walk in thewoods and how it makes you feel.
And you're like, oh, I see,somebody figured it out.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Exactly, exactly.
And just last week actually, Iwas featured in an article in
Martha Stewart Magazine aboutnostalgic gardening and it's
this idea that you know, youbring back into your garden
space or your balcony orwhatever, those plants, those
flowers that have memory for youfrom something significant when
you were younger.
And my approach to it with thewoman who was writing the
article was that the healingapproach.
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Right, you know, it's not thetechnical about what you put in
the garden, it's the memorythat's invoked in you when you
breathe in and you smell thelilacs and you remember.
For me it's lilacs and Iremember being a little child
and looking at lilac flowers andand all of that.
And it's just, it's so simple.
And yet, because it's so simple, I think it gets overlooked in
the healing journey.
(14:10):
So the fact that you've createda botanical garden with
horticultural therapy at thebase of it is it's just, it's so
beautiful and the key of it isthat the premise is simple Every
healing modality or activity isenhanced by nature.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's really just that simple and, like what you're
talking about, there's sciencebehind it.
The limbic system is the partof your brain that connects
sense with memory.
So you smell this thing and ittakes you back to your great
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grandma's house when you werefour years old.
And it's just that scent thatchemically connects this to your
memory.
And it's science.
But to look at it in apractical way, that just says
you know, put this thing thatsomehow connects you.
It doesn't really matter how itworks right, it's just that it
works.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's exactly it.
And you know, when I look athealing as a modality, like the
wholeness of healing, it is notrocket science, it's fresh air,
it's clean water, it's good food, good nourishing food, it's
community.
You just have to look at theblue zones, you know why.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I mean, I know why science has to dissect it and
all of that.
But time, go outside, put yourface up to the sun, get some
vitamin d, it's free, it's free.
Go talk to somebody.
You know the connection, youknow you there's.
There's something about thathuman experience.
Like you say, the blue zone.
The biggest thing that reallythey have in common is the
community.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You know, the diets are not necessarily the same and
all of the different otherelements that we try to connect
aren't necessarily the same.
But motion, they all walkaround, they all, they all keep
moving and they have a strongcommunity.
That's the thing they really dohave in common.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Exactly, and I know that in our world today that is
for some people a huge challengeto have community even because
not only are we segmentingourselves physically and
emotionally with thosespecializations, but we're also
distancing ourselves from oneanother, you know, and never
mind the whole six foot fiasco.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Or social media and all of that.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But we've got exactly , you know exactly, and in the
one hand it can be reallysupportive in these sorts of
instances, like we're doing thispodcast and maybe giving
somebody a, you know, light bulbidea of how they can help
themselves.
And then it's also the factthat it gets the screen, gets in
the way of the interactionbetween people.
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So put your phone down and lookat someone in the eyes and give
them a smile and see whathappens.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, and that's, you know, the reason why I do this
on a video conference so we canlook at each other's eyes.
But you know, I do a lot ofepisodes in person whenever I
can because I think that it's abetter experience.
And you know, I do a lot ofepisodes in person whenever I
can because I think that it's abetter experience.
And you know, one day, ifyou're ever down in Southern
California, I'd love to do thatand show you the gardens and
everything.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh, I would love that .
That would be wonderful.
Yes, once things settle down inyour country.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, we're a little chaotic right now.
I don't blame you.
I wouldn't want to travel hereif I live somewhere else right
now.
Hell, I don't want to goanywhere.
I'm afraid I can't come back.
It's crazy, I mean, but youknow that's also here nor there.
When we create our own world,and you know all the chaos
(17:35):
that's happening wherever youare, you have choices about how
you deal with them and what youdo with your experience.
So you now have become.
You know you got into geology,you got into this, you know the
(17:57):
women's counseling, and so wheredid you go from there?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, I've always been an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And yeah, and I've had a number of businesses.
Where did I go from there?
It's?
It's such an interestingquestion.
I, being a fellow Gemini, youknow that our brains are
constantly ping-ponging.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, maybe three different places at a time, but
it's okay, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But for me the bottom line is how can I be of service
?
Yeah, you know how can I helpothers?
I had a gardening group forseniors for a long time through
one of our municipalities and Iran a senior's garden group in
one of the public gardens and wegrew food, had community and we
did.
We did all of that.
But eventually, through mymother's health issues and her
(18:48):
death unfortunately, and then myyoungest daughter, who was born
with life-threatening allergies, anaphylaxis, wow I started to
look around at how can I helpdifferently than other people
are helping.
Like what can I do?
That isn't mainstream medicine,isn't mainstream social work,
isn't mainstream psychology.
(19:09):
How can I bring in intuition,spirituality, faith in whatever
that way that looks like to you,but also with practical skills
around you know food as medicineand plants as medicine.
And so I went down to Californiawith Doreen Virtue some people
(19:30):
might be familiar with.
She's now stepped away from allof that work, but at the time
she was very much involved inspiritual healing and oracle
cards and so forth, and I wentdown and I did her program in
California, actually came backhere, did my practicum and put
my shingle out as a psychichealer.
That's where I started with.
(19:51):
And as I started doing thatwork I realized that actually
there's so much more.
There's so much more.
And there's always going to beso much more yes, yeah, that's
right, and all of my interestsin metaphysical, whatever
metaphysical, the metaphysicalworld, you know, past lives and
energy healing and the sethmaterial and all of that that
(20:12):
immediately started to seep intothe work I was doing with
people, okay, and after that itwas just it's been a matter of
one year at a time developingprograms and courses right off
the bat, group work off the bat,doing wellness shows, and
eventually created this likemini empire of work and
(20:33):
resources for people andcertifying people to become
healers themselves Nice andcreating a healing modality
called intuitive energy massage,writing the creating the Oracle
cards in the box set of that.
(20:54):
How can I help somebody ontheir healing journey?
By giving them back theirresponsibility for their
wellness, as well as empoweringthem to make good choices for
themselves, wise choices forthemselves, through all these
different modalities that I'vestudied and learned and
(21:15):
certified in and worked andcreated as well.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I get it, I get, I get it, I, I um.
Just recently we had a guestcome on Um and I think she may
have either studied under you orum she she does.
I believe she said it wasintuitive energy massage.
And um, her name is V Martinezand, uh, she, she came on, came
(21:44):
on, I don't know, a month ago orso, and she actually wants to
bring her practice to ourgardens, and you know yeah, oh
my gosh, I don't know yeah, yeah.
Well, that's the whole idea ofwhat we're doing is saying I
don't need to learn everything,I can just offer this canvas
(22:04):
that says whatever you do, tryit here, it'll probably work
better.
Absolutely, I'll add anotherlayer of of, uh, healing to what
you're already bringing to itand, and a lot of times it
brings out in people theirbetter work.
You know, we're working in aenclosed cubicle, whether it's
(22:28):
10 by 10 or 10 by 20 or 20 by 50.
You're generally in a squaresurrounded by walls and a roof
that keep the sunlight out andthe fresh air out, and you got
piped in air and you know emffrom your wi-fi and all these
(22:49):
things that are sort of gettingin your way from being your best
and connecting somebody.
You go outside and all thosethings are stripped away way and
you know the, the naturalenergies and um elements and
gifts are there to be used and Ithink it just enhances
(23:12):
everything.
So it sounds like you've builtquite a community.
Is that?
Is that kind of the case?
Or?
You know, with the technologytoday, you can help people
literally anywhere in the world,and yet it's my experience that
the personal, one-to-onecommunity is generally some of
(23:36):
the strongest.
Yes, so do you have a localcommunity that is connected as
well?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I do, I do and it was part of my mission when I hung
that shingle out as healer isthat I didn't want to do it by
myself, nor did I think I shouldhave to do it by myself.
So when I started my classes,that was to create community,
and so when anybody went throughany of my workshops or courses
(24:03):
or certifications, they became apart of the bigger community.
And then whenever there was ashow or there was an event, the
call would go out to thosepractitioners to show up and be
a part of that in order tosupport one another.
I mean, it's one thing to sayI'm going to help other people
heal, but if I don't havesomeplace where I can go as a
(24:27):
healer and I can have mysupports in place, I'm going to
burn out which happens to a lotof healers burn out.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Most people that have the level of energy required to
build something like thisusually flame out after a while
because you, just you end upcarrying it and I mean I, I've
luckily I've got this monsterinside of me that never gave up.
But but frankly, you know, Isee how people do and most of
(24:59):
most projects like this require,you know, a team successful.
But we as Gemini's are, youknow people, we could do
everything.
So we do, that's true, we don't.
And then all of a sudden, youknow you get sick or you get,
you know, hurt or somethinghappens that you know your
(25:22):
subconscious says, hey, you needto sit down for a while, and
but it looks like you, youfigured that one out before it
got you.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, yes and no, I mean perfectly honest and
transparent.
I'm still human and I can sureas heck run a lot of marathons
without stopping until I'mstopped.
And in the last five years,with the way the world imploded,
there was a lot of pain thatshowed up for a lot of people
(25:52):
and we had some reallysignificant losses over the last
five years on many levels, asdid everybody, and I found
myself at a point where Irealized no, I actually am burnt
out.
I'm sitting in front of a clientand they're telling me their
story and, quite frankly, I justwant to say pull up your big
girl panties and get on with it,because I don't have the
(26:13):
bandwidth right now to empathizewhen I have all this stuff
going on, and so I took myselfout of the game for almost two
years.
I was still doing lots of thingsin the background, like my, my
beyond the garden gatebotanicals, um business, but
also I took myself off allsocial media.
I didn't participate in anyshows, any wellness, anything.
(26:36):
I just focused in on my family,my daughters and what they
needed from me, my husband andmyself and it was the best thing
that I have ever done and I wasliterally walking my own talk.
You know, when I counsel peopleto say, and I say to them you
got to step out of your life fora while.
It's one thing to say that,it's another thing to actually
do it.
Yeah, realize how powerful itis to be able to step out of the
(27:01):
external life you've createdfor yourself and really hone in
into like a hibernation mode ofself-care.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I totally get it.
I'm I'm currently recoveringfrom a very aggressive cancer
that hit me and I'm certain itwas because of my life choices.
You know they said it was avirus that caused it, but I
think you know 20 years of of of.
You know choices that taxed meto the point of no return and my
(27:30):
body's like, yeah, you need tostop.
And again I removed myself fromeverything and disconnected
from most of my relationshipsand got down to.
You know you get this sense ofpriorities when you're faced
with whatever it is that getsyour attention and by the time
(27:51):
it does like the old story themule skinner, when you get
whacked across the head with atwo by four, a few times, all of
a sudden you get your attentionand for me it was the most
difficult thing I've ever donebut also the most blessings I've
ever received from a situation.
And now I'm restructuring andbuilding in a way that isn't
(28:16):
going to put me in that spotagain, and I have so many more
things I can offer people.
I've learned a lot of thingsabout things I thought I knew
and you know now I help peoplein a way that I couldn't help
before.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Which is perfect, and that's what.
That's how.
My experience has been that ifwe step away from the path that
we carved out for ourselvesbefore we came into this
lifetime, if we step too far offthe path for whatever reason,
there will be a rather strongnudge in some way or another.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
You see, if you want to fulfill your purpose, you got
to get back on the road,exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I call it the wake-up call.
You know, it's like bam, theregoes the carpet out from
underneath you and you've got torefocus your focus.
Which is ironic because in thebeginning of the interview I
said you know, one of thebiggest comments that teachers
made was that I didn't haveenough focus in my focus.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So there's the universe going Exactly.
Focus back over here.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You said you wanted this, so you got to do it.
Yeah, that's right.
Focus back over here.
You said you wanted this, soyou got to do it.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, as I'm watching ourlittle hourglass tick away, I
want to make sure we get to acouple of topics we also share
in common.
You're a formulator, you makenatural remedies, and I've been
doing that for 40 years myself,and so I just want to learn a
(29:37):
little bit about what got youstarted and tell us a little bit
about that business.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Absolutely Well.
The pivotal moment was out on awalk with my daughter and one
of her really good friends andit's springtime and we're
walking through a forest of firtrees and my daughter's friend
pulls a little gooey bit of sapoff of the fur tree, of the baby
fur tree, and she smells it andshe says, oh my god, this
(30:04):
smells just like christmas yeahand I I so I pinched a little
bit of that resin and I smelt itand I could feel my whole brain
lighting up yeah oh, this ismedicine yeah and I've got all
this time right now because theworld's imploded and no one
needs me at the moment.
Yeah, what can I do with thismedicine?
(30:25):
I've got to do something withit, you know.
And then it was the pineneedles, or the fur needles as
well, those early spring furneedles.
You bite into that and yourmouth is just filled with citrus
yeah and I began a new quest tobetter understand how I could
bring plant medicinespecifically to people from the
(30:46):
forest, from the naturalenvironment and I'm very
fortunate that I live right nearthe forest and I live near the
beach, you know.
So all of these resources arethere.
But then to take that andcreate a product from it that
somebody can then applytopically to their skin, or a
tincture that they can take andI'd worked with all of these
things in the past, but I hadn'tbeen the maker of them
(31:09):
necessarily, certainly not atthe degree to which I'm doing it
now.
So it was that moment of justrecognition of this is medicine
people need.
How can I get it to them?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
What can I do with it ?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And then your foraging.
You know actually, when, whenyour publicist came to me
originally that was sort of thethe hook that that she sent and
I was like, oh, that'sinteresting.
You know, it's not somethingthat I can do a lot of, although
I built a botanical gardenwhere I grow the herbs not all
of the herbs I use, but a lot ofthe herbs I use Right, and I
(31:45):
forge my own backyard.
Now, yes, yeah, it's differentthan finding something wild.
Occasionally, you know, I'll beout in a place where I'm able
to wildcraft some useful plants,but not nearly as often as I
would like.
And Canada is such a beautifulplace with so much wild areas
(32:07):
that I'm sure, and plus justyour environment with all the
moisture and the things that alot of herbs like.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'm situated in a reallybeautiful space for growing
things, wild or or otherwise, orbringing wild things into the
into the garden.
My wild St John's wort is nowtaken over most of my garden.
Ask me over the years to takethem out on walks and to show
(32:38):
them what they could eat.
That again I realized.
Oh, I could get paid to do this.
Yeah, why aren't I takingpeople out on foraging walks?
So that's another arm of underthe umbrella I love it is the
urban and wild foraging tours.
I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know you are truly living the dream.
I get foraging tours.
I think that's fantastic.
You know you are truly livingthe dream.
I get your dream and I think,again, we're on a similar path
in that you know you're doingthe thing you love to do and
you're making enough to live on.
And you know, for me that'slike a musician that gets paid
to play music or a singer thatgets paid to sing.
(33:18):
It's like you're doing thatthing you have a gift for that
you obviously love doing andyou're able to let that be your
life and your career.
A couple of or one question.
You know we both haveexperienced, you know, the
metaphysical world.
I think that comes from justrealizing that there's so much
(33:38):
more to this place than you cansee.
And again, we could probablyshare a lifetime of
conversations with that.
But one of the things that I'veexplored and I don't, I just
want to hear if you have is theworld of ethnobotanicals, and
you know I've spent considerableamount of time working with
(34:01):
medicine.
Folks from you know NativeAmericans and South American
healers and the medicines thatthey work with and I found that
to be instrumental in me findingmy answers that I needed.
Have you gone down that road atall.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I sure have, and I would say that all of my work
with, with the plants is is ofthat nature.
Nice, and as you're talkingabout, I mean the key point.
The key difference between apharmaceutical and a plant
medicine is that a plantmedicine is a whole entity.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
It has energy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It has energy energy, it has spirit, and so, yes,
it's about the relationship thatwe establish with the plant,
more than what piece of theplant can do what for us right
right, it's about extracting onemolecule.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's about spending time sitting with this plant and
having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Exactly, exactly, and the conversation is so
important, Like, for example,the St John's Wort that grows in
my garden now.
I was on a river.
I saw this little plant growinga few years ago.
I asked the plant, can I bringyou home?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I said sure, why not so?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
plants are generally pretty laid back about things.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Sure, I'll try a new environment and I planted it in
my garden.
And the thing is now, everytime I go out and I see that St
John's wort and all of itsfriends.
Now I go back to the river.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's that beautiful sunny day on that gorgeous river
, the first time I met that wildSt John's wort.
That's a part of therelationship and that's a part
of the healing I love it.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah Well, that's fantastic and, as I suspected
would happen, we're running lowon time, but I could see many
conversations coming out of thisand I certainly invite you back
.
Why don't you give us yourpitch and tell us how people can
find you and engage with thisamazing community you've built?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Sure, I'd love to Thank you.
The way they can find me it'spretty simple Megan Edge Healing
.
Put it into any search engine.
You'll come up with Facebook.
You'll come up with my YouTube.
I have over 300 videos on myYouTube channel interviews,
podcasts, workshops that I'vegiven, all live talks that I've
given and little bits of wisdomand that sort of thing.
So that's a great place to goto get to know me and to see the
(36:21):
way I do my work.
And then you can go to mywebsite at meganedgeca.
There's loads of stuff on there, too, and ways that you can
reach out to me and that we canwork together if this feels like
a fit.
I also have my Etsy store,which is Megan Edge Botanicals,
and you can find me on Learn itLive and the Wellness Universe
as an instructor.
So there's lots of classes thatI'm putting up there that
(36:43):
people can learn from me, andthen I'm also doing in-person
classes.
I have a certification healercertification course called the
Confident Healer, and it is anin-person course right now, but
we're launching an onlineversion of it in 2026.
And that information will be onmy website my web.
Guy's on holidays, so it'sgoing to take a week or two, but
(37:03):
it will be there as well as theintuitive energy massage
courses and classes.
And then, of course, there's myOracle Cards, which we didn't
quite get to, but this isavailable through my website as
well or on Amazon.
You put in the Heart's Journey,healing Hearts, oracle Cards
and Guidebook and it will pop upat the various places where you
(37:24):
can purchase it, or directlythrough me, and I'll sign it for
you.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Fantastic.
Well, megan, it's been anabsolute pleasure having this
conversation.
I certainly hope you decide tocome back and go deep into some
of these conversations.
Certainly hope you decide tocome back and go deep into some
of these conversations.
And just, I have seldom sharedas much of a life's parallel as
I have with you, so I'm kind ofhappy about all that.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I love it and I would be delighted to come back, and
when things settle down, I'll bedriving down the coast and
coming to see you.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I love it.
Well, hopefully by then we'llhave some bungalows that you'll
be able to stay at.
We're working on that.
Love it, it'll be amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Well, folks, this has been another episode of the
Healthy Living Podcast.
We appreciate all your supportand we will see you next time.
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