September 23, 2025 • 32 mins
What happens when life's deepest betrayals become your greatest teachers? Lora Cheadle's transformative journey from corporate attorney to spiritual mentor began with a devastating discovery—her husband's long-term infidelity. Rather than succumbing to bitterness, she chose a radical path of reinvention, creating Life Choreography, a holistic framework that helps people reclaim their sovereignty after betrayal.
In this profound conversation, Lora expands our understanding of betrayal beyond romantic relationships. She reveals how betrayal can manifest when our bodies age or become ill, when career expectations are shattered, or through collective experiences like the COVID pandemic. This broader perspective allows us to recognize and address the deeper wounds that often masquerade as burnout or disappointment.
Through her unique blend of legal expertise and spiritual wisdom, Lora shares powerful insights about somatic healing—intentional movement that helps process trapped emotions—and hypnotherapy, which accesses subconscious programming to remove limiting beliefs. She eloquently describes Life Choreography as viewing our existence like a dance routine where we can choose to follow prescribed steps or improvise with intention, finding moments of joy even during difficult journeys.
Perhaps most fascinating is Lora's work channeling "the Librarians," collective wisdom keepers who gather insights from souls who have transformed specific challenges. This connection offers clients access to solutions others have discovered, providing both practical guidance and the comfort of knowing they're not alone in their struggles.
By the conversation's end, we understand Lora's most meaningful achievement: restoring hope to those who believed their lives were permanently damaged. Her message is clear—we are unlimited beings with access to infinite possibilities, even when circumstances seem most dire.
Ready to transform your deepest wounds into wellsprings of wisdom? Discover Lora's books, channeled readings, and free Betrayal Recovery Guide through the links in our show notes, and begin choreographing a life of authentic power and freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Laura Cheadle andshe's a former attorney turned
spiritual mentor, author andbetrayal recovery coach, which,
of course, I've never heard ofbefore, but I really want to
hear about.
She helps people transformlife's deepest wounds into
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sources of wisdom and freedom.
After uncovering her husband'slong-term infidelity, she left
her career in law to create LifeChoreography, a holistic
framework that integrates legalclarity, emotional healing,
somatic release and spiritualawakening.
She's the author of Flaunt Dropyour Cover and Reveal your
Smart, sexy, spiritual Self.
(00:46):
And it's Not Burnout, it'sBetrayal Five Tools to Fuel Up
and Thrive.
She channels a collective ofwisdom keepers called the
librarians, who share acollective soul lessons of
humanity.
Today she works with highachieving women and couples to
reclaim their sovereignty,rebuild trust in themselves and
rise stronger after betrayal.
(01:06):
With roots in both law andspiritual healing, laura brings
a fierce commitment to justice,truth and liberation.
Well, all of these things arenear and dear to my heart.
I've been a freedom fighter formy whole life and been helping
people my whole life.
So you know, betrayal issomething that I don't think
anybody is a stranger to, andyou know, it seems like we
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always get betrayed by thepeople we trust the most.
And then comes choices, right,yeah?
So, laura, usually I ask peoplehow they came to this path, but
I think your bio laid that outfor us.
Is there anything you want toadd to that?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know, what I want to add is I came to know and to
understand betrayal through theinfidelity route.
But betrayal is so much deeperthan that, you know.
It can feel like our body isbetraying us when we age, when
we get sick, you know just bynot getting promoted in our
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career.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It can feel like a betrayal.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, exactly, exactly Like politically, you
know, we feel like it's abetrayal.
Covid felt like a huge betrayal.
Yeah, like there are so manydifferent ways we feel betrayed,
and having the gift ofinfidelity really taught me how
to understand betrayal at such asoul level and it's just one of
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those things.
Had I not had that experience,I would have never even
identified this as betrayal.
I just would have been like, oh, this isn't the way I thought
it was supposed to be.
Oh, this is so disappointing andlearning that it was betrayal
and what that means and how towork with it right is huge.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's one of the things that so many of this
community have in common is youknow you experience an obstacle,
a huge challenge, whatever itis, and you know some people
survive it, some people don'tsurvive it and some people take
it and use it as a tool, and Ithink that those of us that you
get given a gift that you can'tget any other way unless you go
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through a thing.
And now you have empathy andsympathy and clarity and
experience and all that goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, and it's one of those things.
Like you know, you said youwere a freedom fighter.
Similarly, my whole life Iwanted to grow, I wanted to go
deep, I wanted to rise high,like I wanted to do all of that
stuff, but you also don't wantto disrupt yourself and your
life.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right To such a deep level, take big risks.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And whenever you have achallenge and something disrupts
it for you, right Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Thank you.
Priorities change.
I think that's one of the bigfactors that happens when a
major obstacle comes your way.
All of a sudden, all that stuffthat was so important, you
throw it right out the windowand this thing that you didn't
even know about becomes numberone, number two and number three
.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's just crazy and like that.
Sometimes we say, oh well, thisis what I want to lean into,
and oh, this is a way to livehealthier, and oh, one day I'll
do this.
But, then we never really do.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Time goes by, right?
Yeah, it's crazy.
So you left your law practice.
What kind of a practice was it?
I was in-house, I was corporate, oh okay, you were dealing with
betrayals, but not on such apersonal level.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Exactly, exactly.
When I first graduated from lawschool, I did some family law
and I also worked as a guardianad litem, which is a
court-appointed attorney whorepresents the best interest of
children, and that's some deepemotional stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I spent some time in family court with my activism
stuff and there's some heavystuff going on in there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, it's really tough and I I liked it but it
wore me out.
And then, you know, I knew Iwanted to have kids and it was
like there's there's only somuch energy that I've got.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So you decided okay, I'm out of here, I'm not doing
this anymore, it's not suitingmy purpose, it's not me anymore.
What was your next move?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
My passion has always been wellness.
I have been teaching fitnessclasses like group exercise
since 1988.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, so a long time.
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And oh wow, and what size you are.
And I was more passionate aboutwellness.
Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I like where you're going.
So far, as we discussed earlyon, I had a sense we'd have a
lot to talk about.
So you're teaching theseclasses and, like you say,
everything's about looking good,everything's about being skinny
and firm and fit, and you knowall the curves in the right
places.
But what does that have to do?
You know, with Jim Fitzkeelsover dead.
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You know with a heart attack,and you're like, well, all that
running is supposed to be goodfor you.
What happened?
You know, and it turns outreally none of these extremes.
You know, marathon runners aresome of the most beat up, broken
people you ever meet.
But you can't tell them thatand you know that's what it is.
We choose our path, but healthis such a holistic approach.
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All these pillars have to be inplace for health to exist.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Exactly and that's what I was so passionate about.
So I went back to school and Ibecame a hypnotherapist, because
it was like you have to have ahealthy mind, you have to have a
healthy way of thinking.
And then, um, I became asomatic attachment therapist.
Like how do we move in waysthat intentionally process
emotion, not just make us bigand buff?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
you know, and I started bringing all that in
Somatic practice.
I'm not really familiar withthat.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Somatic, just means of the body and it's more
intentional awareness of thebody.
So, you could do traditionalfitness things like marathoning,
but where?
Where is the body mindconnection?
What, yeah, how?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
do you put that all the time?
I just didn't connect that termto it.
It's very powerful.
Yeah, intention and intention.
Intention, intention basedliving is transformative.
You can make all the actionsyou did double, triple or or 10x
, no problem.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah.
And like, if you are you knowhow, sometimes you feel that
sinking in your gut, like youfeel guilt, you feel sadness,
you feel regret, whatever it is.
How do I take this feeling andmove in a way that flows it out
of my body?
You know I might need to wigglemy shoulders.
I might need to do some catcows.
I might need to wiggle myshoulders.
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I might need to do somecat-cows.
I might need to walk andbreathe heavily.
What am I doing to get at thatfeeling, to access it and to
allow it to flow, so it doesn'tend up literally eating me alive
?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You're doing energy work as well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Excellent, excellent.
I work with a number of reikipractitioners and and nsr all
different types of uh energy andI've experienced it.
You know, like you say, you geta feeling, it's a thing.
If you feel it, there'ssomething happening.
And you know, going through myjourney, I've had all kinds of
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you, visual and feelingexperiences that have helped me
solve my problem and connectingto these things and directing
them and giving them a way out.
You know, said all right, youcan go that way, just get along,
and you'd be surprised whatthat does sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then just that awareness,like what is this feeling
telling me?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, if I have an obsessive thought, why do I
have it?
What?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
am I missing.
Huge.
I think we go through life, youknow, half numb and blind.
We're not paying attentionexcept to the little thing
blipping in our ear, and thenyou just stumble on your way
around.
So you know, mindful, you knowit's a big thing, mindfulness,
but it's really like just payattention, son, you know.
I mean, be aware of what you'redoing, be aware of what you're
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seeing and feeling, and youstart living a life again.
It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, and get curious about it.
You know, so often we think wehave the answer like, oh, this
is just a little bit of kneepain, or oh, I'm just stressed
about whatever.
Well, ask yourself, sit quietly, dig deeper.
What is really going on inthere?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's powerful.
A lot of the guests that comeinto this show.
You know we talk about rootcauses of things.
You know we actually want toget well, not just cover up a
symptom.
You know standard of careWestern medicine is all about.
You know, alleviating thesesymptoms, and you know.
But then you end up on acocktail of drugs that
everything's alleviating thenext thing but leaving another
thing behind and you don't everget to the root cause.
And so I'm kind of curiousabout hypnosis.
(10:41):
I mean, you know we all knowabout hypnosis and the mentalist
things and all that stuff that.
But I've witnessed a little bitof hypnosis and I believe that
you can unlock virtuallyanything if you are able to
really tap it.
So what's been your experiencewith that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, it's incredibly powerful.
First of all, hypnosis is justa brainwave state.
We all go in and out of it.
So, yeah, there's nothing.
It just shows how mystical andmagical and powerful we are, yes
, you know, it's all right hereand wherever else it lives.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We have it all, all the tools, all the abilities to
fix or break anything we want.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, and hypnosis basically moves the conscious
mind out of the way, so we havefull access to that subconscious
or unconscious.
So all of the things that wehave been programmed to believe
about ourselves can be removed.
You know, if you believe you'rebad at math, if you believe
you're going to die of highblood pressure and a heart
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attack because everybody in yourfamily did, if you believe
you're limited, we get thosebeliefs out of the way and set
that subconscious mind free.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I tell people all the time it's like what are you
thinking about?
Because that's what you'remaking happen.
You know if you're complainingall the time, well, of course
you have these complaints.
You're blowing air into themall day long.
You know, if you think aboutwhat you're trying to accomplish
, you're probably getting closerto that every day.
You know, thinking about beinggrateful, you probably have more
to be grateful for.
I mean, it's just like we'recreating.
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I tell people look around, lookat anything that man ever built
, created in any way, shape orform.
It all started as a thought,every bit of it.
So tell me what you can'tcreate, right?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Exactly, and we tend to recycle the same few thoughts
, and then we think things arethe way that they are, so then
they become the way that theyare.
So then they become the waythat they are.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Exactly that old monkey brain.
Yeah, I know I want to getthrough a lot here as this
initial interview.
I'm curious about your lifechoreography program.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, you know, I said I grew up doing fitness, I
grew up dancing, and the analogythat I like to use is our life.
The one life we have, is like adance routine.
You get one shot at it, there'sa beginning, there's a middle,
there's an end.
Hopefully there's some form orstructure to it.
How are you going tore-choreograph?
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Are you just going to sit downand stop?
Are you going to just like plowthrough with the same
choreography that society?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
told you to do.
Do it harder, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Or how can you improv in themoment?
How can you have intention forthe end point but also improv
along the way, and this is ahuge piece of it.
Find that joy along the way too, so you're not stressed by it,
but so you're literally andfiguratively dancing through
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life, dancing through thisexperience.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Joy is a powerful word, you know.
I tell people sometimes thatthere are very few things we
actually control, but how we seea thing is one of them, one of
the biggest ones, and whetheryou find joy or sorrow in an
action or activity is up to youentirely.
And I've been in difficultsituations and found a way to
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laugh and smile, and plenty ofpeople find themselves in good
situations and find a way to bemiserable.
And plenty of people findthemselves in good situations
and find a way to be miserable,and you know.
So I think that's reallyimportant, because that's truly
the thing we control the easiestand most completely.
Nobody else can control for us.
Nobody can make you feel joyand nobody can make you feel
sorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, exactly, and time passes regardless.
You know I had yeah, I had myhorrific infidelity journey and
it's not like, yay, I'm going tobe joyful and make the best,
it's not like I'm faking it, butit's like I have to go through
this recovery journey.
We have to figure these thingsout.
I have to do all of these.
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I can make myself much moremiserable, or I can at least
find moments of beauty and joyalong the way.
A beautiful sunset you know mycat like I can find those
pockets of joy throughout ajourney.
That is really darn miserable.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Absolutely A hundred percent, and I, I couldn't agree
with you more.
And then it comes down to whereyou're spending your time
thinking.
You know you're rememberingsomething.
You're remembering the misery,or you're remembering that
sunrise.
You know, I I'd rather choosethe sunrise when I get the
thought about it.
You know, nobody wants toremember being miserable.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, and for me, like the, the question I kept
asking myself is what are yougoing to make of this?
Like you're going through thishorrible situation.
What are you going to make fromit?
Because it could have turned meinto a bitter, miserable, awful
person and it was like.
That's not what I choose.
I'm going to choose to learnbecause of this.
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I'm going to choose to find joy.
I'm going to choose to helpothers.
I'm going to choose all ofthese different things because
I'm not a victim.
I was victimized but, I'm not avictim.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Exactly A hundred percent.
Yeah, we get taken and grantedfor, we get blindsided, we get
hornswoggled, whatever the wordyou want to come up with.
But then it comes down to okay,now what?
And it's that, now what thatjust determines your outcome,
not the action that happened.
I mean, I've had some horriblethings happen in my life that
could have turned me into areally bitter, angry, miserable
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person, and each time I had todecide okay, well, is this going
to ruin you?
Are you going to figure it out,forgive and move on, or make a
correction?
And you make your choice.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, and really whatever you choose is
fine.
I just think being aware likeif I choose, to be miserable
sometimes I want to wallow inthat Nobody can take that from
you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, yeah, but then at some point, yeah, I'm going
to choose differently.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I may not want to hang out with you, but that's
okay, exactly so this, this lifechoreography program how, how
does it take life Like?
Is it a class, is it a software, is it a book or what?
How does it work out?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's a little bit of both I how it works is I work
with people for six monthsbecause change takes place in
the moment.
Change doesn't just take placebecause I read a book.
It takes place along the way.
And what I do is I meet withpeople once a month and we set
those big steps forward Likewhat do you need?
What do you need, what do youneed?
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And then I give people 24-7access to me through the Voxer
app and I hold them accountablealong the way and they talk to
me along the way.
So if they're trying to changethe way they're thinking, I ask
them to send me a Vox.
A Vox is like a walkie-talkieapp.
So, it'll be like I'm doing thisagain, Laura, but then they're
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marking it.
Okay, Once you mark it, thenyou become aware of that
behavior.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So, now I start changing it, doing it blindly,
yeah Good I like that.
So when did you start thatprogram?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh my goodness, when did I start this About 2017 or
2018.
So it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So pre-COVID.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, definitely pre-COVID.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'll bet pre-COVID it probably blossomed quite a bit
because everybody was havingevery kind of problem during
those years.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh, exactly, exactly, that was a tough time.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So with this program like Imean, obviously you're one
person, you can deal with somany people, and I know that you
know this this type of aprogram is not particularly
scalable because it requires youit's high touch.
So you have to decide.
You know clients you're goingto take and scheduling, so how
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many clients do you generallymanage?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I try to keep a small caseload for that reason,
because we're really intimatelyinvolved.
We're really connected.
I'm moving people forward.
Quality over quantity, yeah,yeah, exactly, and it is high
touch and it is bespoke.
So I do keep it small and asfar as numbers, it depends
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because I have other thingsgoing on as well.
So during busy times I'll takeless people.
During more times and I am in2026, I'm going to start a
certification program where Ican certify other coaches to do-
it as well.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh, I love it.
That's generally theprogression right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You learn a thing, you teach a thing, and then you
figure out that it's worthteaching somebody else how to
teach it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, absolutely Love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's fantastic.
So you've written a number ofbooks, and what's the timeline
of all that?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The first book that came out is Flaunt.
Drop your Cover and Reveal yourSmart, sexy and Spiritual Self.
And I wrote that because as anattorney especially as a female
attorney I felt like I was veryjudged.
I had to show up a certain way.
My voice had to be a certainway.
I couldn't look too pretty, butI also couldn't look not put
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together there was all thisjudgment.
You know what I mean.
I was either I was too muchyeah.
Yeah, and it was like I am morethan this and I have always been
very spiritual and I channeland people are like, well, you
can't be an attorney and channel.
Actually I can.
I am Might, I can.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I am Might even help you yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, so it was on.
Really, how can we bemultidimensional beings, how can
we own our power in all areas,how can we show all facets of
who we are and everything thatwe do in service, really, of
setting the whole world free tobe who they are as well?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Nice, Nice, and how, how, um you know, did you self
publish this?
Or I mean, you know, publishingbooks is so different nowadays
than it was.
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It was traditionally published Um.
I had a literary agent.
The literary agent sells it todifferent publishing companies
and New World Library bought itand published it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Nice, nice, good job.
That's.
That's impressive.
I like that, yeah, and the nextbook.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, my second book is it's Not Burnout, it's
Betrayal Five Tools to Fuel Upand Thrive.
And you know, when you weretalking earlier about getting to
the root cause, that's whatthis book really does is it
helps people understand how toget to the root cause, because I
don't know if you, if you'veheard, but like the word burnout
, everybody talks about it.
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Oh, I'm so burned out, I'mreally burned out.
We're burned out, and that'swhat this book is about.
But are you really?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Right.
Is it really burnout?
You're bored or you just youknow you lose your inspiration
or you know there's.
We blame burnout for thingsthat really it doesn't deserve.
Like when you're burned out,your body's usually falling
apart and that's that's.
You have physical signs of atrue burnout.
You know you have a breakdownand you lose control in some way
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, yeah, and then people yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then people do these like remedies for burnout
and then it doesn't work.
Well maybe you're applying thewrong remedy you know.
So yeah, is it burnout, is itexhaustion, is it boredom?
Let's figure it out and thenapply the correct remedy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, and how have these books done?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really well.
Really well, it's interesting.
I've done some book clubs andsome reading them together in
groups and that has actuallybeen a lot of fun because people
can share their experience witheach other.
You know whether it's a team,whether it's a group of friends.
You can go through the work.
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I give steps, I give resources,I give you know, tools and
processes and practices.
So when you're holding eachother accountable and when
you're moving through it, andthen you can talk, the
transformation is huge Because,again, we can know things in our
head, but until it drops, intoour heart.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I tell everybody I am the world's worst mind reader
and even if I could, I wouldn't,I don't know.
Just tell me what you want meto know and we'll go from there.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But yeah, the first one was on the Tattered Cover
bestseller list.
It's won an award.
Second one was an Amazonbestseller.
So yeah, they've done well.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Good job, wow.
Now this last little tidbit I'mvery curious about is you're
channeling a collective ofwisdom keepers called the
librarians.
Now that is the kind of stuffthat I really just you know the
universe is so big and you knowI work with all different things
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and you know retreats and plantmedicines and meditations and
sweat lodges, and I'veexperienced things that, like
you, don't even you know.
I don't even know what Iexperienced.
I just know I did and ittransformed me, and I'm not here
to explain it.
I just know that it's a muchbigger place than we'll ever
know.
So to think that we might tapinto an intelligence is, frankly
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, very reasonable and likely tome if you're looking to do
something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, they are amazing.
I don't know if you've everheard about the like that.
Yeah, yeah, they are amazing.
I don't know if you've everheard about the Akashic realm?
Sure, but they are in theAkashic realm.
But instead of taking therecords from us, from our
individual souls and lifetimes,they collect the wisdom around
like a topic.
So every soul that hasexperienced betrayal and has
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alchemized it and developedwisdom and gleaned something
from it, they collect theknowledge around that Same thing
like judgment.
All of us who have facedjudgment, who have overcome
judgment, what are the lessonsthat we would have to hand down
to our ancestors around judgment?
The librarians collect thiswisdom around the lessons.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Nice, nice, it's kind of.
You know, there's so manydifferent ways that these things
take shape, the Abraham Hicksand all these different
experiences of a spiritualenergy and and intelligence that
you know I like.
Who are we to think that we'regoing to explain something like
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we're just animals runningaround this rock flying through
space and, and you know, youjust look up at the milky way
one time and realize that, okay,I'm just gonna sit here and
watch and try to learn and maybedo the best I can and, you know
, really humble.
So I guess we are running alittle light on time, but what
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do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
A lot, because whenever you feel like when we
go through something tough, wealways feel like I'm alone.
I'm the only one that'sexperienced this, and when I
channel for other people when wehave a session, it helps them
tap into the wisdom around that.
So, whatever you're facing.
Okay, what's the collectivewisdom on this?
You know, and it's the ultimateresource Again, whether it's
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health, whether it's judgment,whether it's, you know, whatever
it is.
What have other people done,judgment whether it's, you know,
whatever it is.
What have other people done?
What is the wisdom that I canglean for myself and use to
solve this problem, to feelbetter?
And then, additionally, what isthat piece of knowledge or
wisdom that I can now contributeto the collective because of my
experience?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Nice.
So when you're doing this, areyou doing this by yourself, with
others, in groups?
How do you do it?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I do a one-on-one with people.
Yeah, I'd like to do some moregroups.
I think that's really powerfulto sit in a group, but right now
I just do it on Zoom or inperson and we just together, get
together one at a time and havea singular session.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Nice.
So I generally like to hearlike one impactful story of you.
Know you've touched a lot ofpeople in your life, but
generally there's at least onething that stands out is you
know I had this one experience.
Why don't you share one ofthose with us?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
This is kind of a collectiveexperience the people.
The thing that I hear over andover and over from people is I
have hope.
I didn't have any hope before.
I really thought things werebeing changed for the worse, and
I have hope that it's not goingto be for the worst.
It's going to be different andit's not what I expected, but I
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have hope that it's going to beokay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's beautiful and that's powerful.
You're right.
I came to a spot in my lifewhere hope was one of the things
keeping me going and therewasn't a lot of good options in
front of me and I still said,well, we'll find them, We'll
make them, We'll do what we gotto do and I'm not going to quit
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until I get there.
And here I am.
I'm, you know seven miraclesstanding in front of you.
Yeah, so, Laura, out of all ofthis, I mean, you just left us
with a pretty powerful message.
But I usually try to say youknow, if you have a one, one
idea or one thought that you'dlike to leave us with, what
would that be?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I think the thought is it's all deeper than we think
it is.
There is so much more mystery,there is so much more
possibility and whenever youfeel trapped, just to know that
you are unlimited and just tapinto that limitlessness.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I love it.
I love it.
Well, as I suggested in thebeginning, we could go deep on
any one of these topics.
I'd certainly love to inviteyou back.
How does somebody get a hold ofyou?
You know, if somebody isinterested in getting involved
in your life choreographyprogram or finding your books or
getting involved in anything,Thanks, my books are available.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Anywhere books are sold, you know, amazon, barnes,
noble, anything like that.
If you want to get some moreinformation about the Librarians
, if you go towwwcoffeewiththelibrarianscom
you can get my monthly channeledreadings from them and learn
more about that.
And then, if you also wouldjust like a Betrayal Recovery
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Guide, I've got a free BetrayalRecovery Guide at
BetrayalRecoveryGuidecom.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Excellent.
Well, this has been amazing, asI suspected it would be.
I'm glad that you were able toshare some time with us and I
look forward to having you comeback.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Thank you so much, I appreciated it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
This has been another episode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
I want to thank all thelisteners for all your support
and we will see you next time.
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
Her name is Laura Cheadle andshe's a former attorney turned
spiritual mentor, author andbetrayal recovery coach, which,
of course, I've never heard ofbefore, but I really want to
hear about.
She helps people transformlife's deepest wounds into
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sources of wisdom and freedom.
After uncovering her husband'slong-term infidelity, she left
her career in law to create LifeChoreography, a holistic
framework that integrates legalclarity, emotional healing,
somatic release and spiritualawakening.
She's the author of Flaunt Dropyour Cover and Reveal your
Smart, sexy, spiritual Self.
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And it's Not Burnout, it'sBetrayal Five Tools to Fuel Up
and Thrive.
She channels a collective ofwisdom keepers called the
librarians, who share acollective soul lessons of
humanity.
Today she works with highachieving women and couples to
reclaim their sovereignty,rebuild trust in themselves and
rise stronger after betrayal.
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With roots in both law andspiritual healing, laura brings
a fierce commitment to justice,truth and liberation.
Well, all of these things arenear and dear to my heart.
I've been a freedom fighter formy whole life and been helping
people my whole life.
So you know, betrayal issomething that I don't think
anybody is a stranger to, andyou know, it seems like we
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always get betrayed by thepeople we trust the most.
And then comes choices, right,yeah?
So, laura, usually I ask peoplehow they came to this path, but
I think your bio laid that outfor us.
Is there anything you want toadd to that?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know, what I want to add is I came to know and to
understand betrayal through theinfidelity route.
But betrayal is so much deeperthan that, you know.
It can feel like our body isbetraying us when we age, when
we get sick, you know just bynot getting promoted in our
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career.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It can feel like a betrayal.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, exactly, exactly Like politically, you
know, we feel like it's abetrayal.
Covid felt like a huge betrayal.
Yeah, like there are so manydifferent ways we feel betrayed,
and having the gift ofinfidelity really taught me how
to understand betrayal at such asoul level and it's just one of
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those things.
Had I not had that experience,I would have never even
identified this as betrayal.
I just would have been like, oh, this isn't the way I thought
it was supposed to be.
Oh, this is so disappointing andlearning that it was betrayal
and what that means and how towork with it right is huge.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's one of the things that so many of this
community have in common is youknow you experience an obstacle,
a huge challenge, whatever itis, and you know some people
survive it, some people don'tsurvive it and some people take
it and use it as a tool, and Ithink that those of us that you
get given a gift that you can'tget any other way unless you go
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through a thing.
And now you have empathy andsympathy and clarity and
experience and all that goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, yeah, and it's one of those things.
Like you know, you said youwere a freedom fighter.
Similarly, my whole life Iwanted to grow, I wanted to go
deep, I wanted to rise high,like I wanted to do all of that
stuff, but you also don't wantto disrupt yourself and your
life.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right To such a deep level, take big risks.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And whenever you have achallenge and something disrupts
it for you, right Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Thank you.
Priorities change.
I think that's one of the bigfactors that happens when a
major obstacle comes your way.
All of a sudden, all that stuffthat was so important, you
throw it right out the windowand this thing that you didn't
even know about becomes numberone, number two and number three
.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's just crazy and like that.
Sometimes we say, oh well, thisis what I want to lean into,
and oh, this is a way to livehealthier, and oh, one day I'll
do this.
But, then we never really do.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Time goes by, right?
Yeah, it's crazy.
So you left your law practice.
What kind of a practice was it?
I was in-house, I was corporate, oh okay, you were dealing with
betrayals, but not on such apersonal level.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Exactly, exactly.
When I first graduated from lawschool, I did some family law
and I also worked as a guardianad litem, which is a
court-appointed attorney whorepresents the best interest of
children, and that's some deepemotional stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I spent some time in family court with my activism
stuff and there's some heavystuff going on in there.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, it's really tough and I I liked it but it
wore me out.
And then, you know, I knew Iwanted to have kids and it was
like there's there's only somuch energy that I've got.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So you decided okay, I'm out of here, I'm not doing
this anymore, it's not suitingmy purpose, it's not me anymore.
What was your next move?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
My passion has always been wellness.
I have been teaching fitnessclasses like group exercise
since 1988.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, so a long time.
Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And oh wow, and what size you are.
And I was more passionate aboutwellness.
Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I like where you're going.
So far, as we discussed earlyon, I had a sense we'd have a
lot to talk about.
So you're teaching theseclasses and, like you say,
everything's about looking good,everything's about being skinny
and firm and fit, and you knowall the curves in the right
places.
But what does that have to do?
You know, with Jim Fitzkeelsover dead.
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You know with a heart attack,and you're like, well, all that
running is supposed to be goodfor you.
What happened?
You know, and it turns outreally none of these extremes.
You know, marathon runners aresome of the most beat up, broken
people you ever meet.
But you can't tell them thatand you know that's what it is.
We choose our path, but healthis such a holistic approach.
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All these pillars have to be inplace for health to exist.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Exactly and that's what I was so passionate about.
So I went back to school and Ibecame a hypnotherapist, because
it was like you have to have ahealthy mind, you have to have a
healthy way of thinking.
And then, um, I became asomatic attachment therapist.
Like how do we move in waysthat intentionally process
emotion, not just make us bigand buff?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
you know, and I started bringing all that in
Somatic practice.
I'm not really familiar withthat.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Somatic, just means of the body and it's more
intentional awareness of thebody.
So, you could do traditionalfitness things like marathoning,
but where?
Where is the body mindconnection?
What, yeah, how?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
do you put that all the time?
I just didn't connect that termto it.
It's very powerful.
Yeah, intention and intention.
Intention, intention basedliving is transformative.
You can make all the actionsyou did double, triple or or 10x
, no problem.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, yeah.
And like, if you are you knowhow, sometimes you feel that
sinking in your gut, like youfeel guilt, you feel sadness,
you feel regret, whatever it is.
How do I take this feeling andmove in a way that flows it out
of my body?
You know I might need to wigglemy shoulders.
I might need to do some catcows.
I might need to wiggle myshoulders.
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I might need to do somecat-cows.
I might need to walk andbreathe heavily.
What am I doing to get at thatfeeling, to access it and to
allow it to flow, so it doesn'tend up literally eating me alive
?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You're doing energy work as well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Excellent, excellent.
I work with a number of reikipractitioners and and nsr all
different types of uh energy andI've experienced it.
You know, like you say, you geta feeling, it's a thing.
If you feel it, there'ssomething happening.
And you know, going through myjourney, I've had all kinds of
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you, visual and feelingexperiences that have helped me
solve my problem and connectingto these things and directing
them and giving them a way out.
You know, said all right, youcan go that way, just get along,
and you'd be surprised whatthat does sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then just that awareness,like what is this feeling
telling me?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, if I have an obsessive thought, why do I
have it?
What?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
am I missing.
Huge.
I think we go through life, youknow, half numb and blind.
We're not paying attentionexcept to the little thing
blipping in our ear, and thenyou just stumble on your way
around.
So you know, mindful, you knowit's a big thing, mindfulness,
but it's really like just payattention, son, you know.
I mean, be aware of what you'redoing, be aware of what you're
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seeing and feeling, and youstart living a life again.
It's a whole different thing.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, and get curious about it.
You know, so often we think wehave the answer like, oh, this
is just a little bit of kneepain, or oh, I'm just stressed
about whatever.
Well, ask yourself, sit quietly, dig deeper.
What is really going on inthere?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's powerful.
A lot of the guests that comeinto this show.
You know we talk about rootcauses of things.
You know we actually want toget well, not just cover up a
symptom.
You know standard of careWestern medicine is all about.
You know, alleviating thesesymptoms, and you know.
But then you end up on acocktail of drugs that
everything's alleviating thenext thing but leaving another
thing behind and you don't everget to the root cause.
And so I'm kind of curiousabout hypnosis.
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I mean, you know we all knowabout hypnosis and the mentalist
things and all that stuff that.
But I've witnessed a little bitof hypnosis and I believe that
you can unlock virtuallyanything if you are able to
really tap it.
So what's been your experiencewith that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, it's incredibly powerful.
First of all, hypnosis is justa brainwave state.
We all go in and out of it.
So, yeah, there's nothing.
It just shows how mystical andmagical and powerful we are, yes
, you know, it's all right hereand wherever else it lives.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We have it all, all the tools, all the abilities to
fix or break anything we want.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, and hypnosis basically moves the conscious
mind out of the way, so we havefull access to that subconscious
or unconscious.
So all of the things that wehave been programmed to believe
about ourselves can be removed.
You know, if you believe you'rebad at math, if you believe
you're going to die of highblood pressure and a heart
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attack because everybody in yourfamily did, if you believe
you're limited, we get thosebeliefs out of the way and set
that subconscious mind free.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I tell people all the time it's like what are you
thinking about?
Because that's what you'remaking happen.
You know if you're complainingall the time, well, of course
you have these complaints.
You're blowing air into themall day long.
You know, if you think aboutwhat you're trying to accomplish
, you're probably getting closerto that every day.
You know, thinking about beinggrateful, you probably have more
to be grateful for.
I mean, it's just like we'recreating.
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I tell people look around, lookat anything that man ever built
, created in any way, shape orform.
It all started as a thought,every bit of it.
So tell me what you can'tcreate, right?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Exactly, and we tend to recycle the same few thoughts
, and then we think things arethe way that they are, so then
they become the way that theyare.
So then they become the waythat they are.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Exactly that old monkey brain.
Yeah, I know I want to getthrough a lot here as this
initial interview.
I'm curious about your lifechoreography program.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, you know, I said I grew up doing fitness, I
grew up dancing, and the analogythat I like to use is our life.
The one life we have, is like adance routine.
You get one shot at it, there'sa beginning, there's a middle,
there's an end.
Hopefully there's some form orstructure to it.
How are you going tore-choreograph?
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Are you just going to sit downand stop?
Are you going to just like plowthrough with the same
choreography that society?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
told you to do.
Do it harder, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Or how can you improv in themoment?
How can you have intention forthe end point but also improv
along the way, and this is ahuge piece of it.
Find that joy along the way too, so you're not stressed by it,
but so you're literally andfiguratively dancing through
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life, dancing through thisexperience.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Joy is a powerful word, you know.
I tell people sometimes thatthere are very few things we
actually control, but how we seea thing is one of them, one of
the biggest ones, and whetheryou find joy or sorrow in an
action or activity is up to youentirely.
And I've been in difficultsituations and found a way to
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laugh and smile, and plenty ofpeople find themselves in good
situations and find a way to bemiserable.
And plenty of people findthemselves in good situations
and find a way to be miserable,and you know.
So I think that's reallyimportant, because that's truly
the thing we control the easiestand most completely.
Nobody else can control for us.
Nobody can make you feel joyand nobody can make you feel
sorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, exactly, and time passes regardless.
You know I had yeah, I had myhorrific infidelity journey and
it's not like, yay, I'm going tobe joyful and make the best,
it's not like I'm faking it, butit's like I have to go through
this recovery journey.
We have to figure these thingsout.
I have to do all of these.
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I can make myself much moremiserable, or I can at least
find moments of beauty and joyalong the way.
A beautiful sunset you know mycat like I can find those
pockets of joy throughout ajourney.
That is really darn miserable.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Absolutely A hundred percent, and I, I couldn't agree
with you more.
And then it comes down to whereyou're spending your time
thinking.
You know you're rememberingsomething.
You're remembering the misery,or you're remembering that
sunrise.
You know, I I'd rather choosethe sunrise when I get the
thought about it.
You know, nobody wants toremember being miserable.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, and for me, like the, the question I kept
asking myself is what are yougoing to make of this?
Like you're going through thishorrible situation.
What are you going to make fromit?
Because it could have turned meinto a bitter, miserable, awful
person and it was like.
That's not what I choose.
I'm going to choose to learnbecause of this.
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I'm going to choose to find joy.
I'm going to choose to helpothers.
I'm going to choose all ofthese different things because
I'm not a victim.
I was victimized but, I'm not avictim.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Exactly A hundred percent.
Yeah, we get taken and grantedfor, we get blindsided, we get
hornswoggled, whatever the wordyou want to come up with.
But then it comes down to okay,now what?
And it's that, now what thatjust determines your outcome,
not the action that happened.
I mean, I've had some horriblethings happen in my life that
could have turned me into areally bitter, angry, miserable
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person, and each time I had todecide okay, well, is this going
to ruin you?
Are you going to figure it out,forgive and move on, or make a
correction?
And you make your choice.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, and really whatever you choose is
fine.
I just think being aware likeif I choose, to be miserable
sometimes I want to wallow inthat Nobody can take that from
you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, yeah, but then at some point, yeah, I'm going
to choose differently.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I may not want to hang out with you, but that's
okay, exactly so this, this lifechoreography program how, how
does it take life Like?
Is it a class, is it a software, is it a book or what?
How does it work out?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's a little bit of both I how it works is I work
with people for six monthsbecause change takes place in
the moment.
Change doesn't just take placebecause I read a book.
It takes place along the way.
And what I do is I meet withpeople once a month and we set
those big steps forward Likewhat do you need?
What do you need, what do youneed?
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And then I give people 24-7access to me through the Voxer
app and I hold them accountablealong the way and they talk to
me along the way.
So if they're trying to changethe way they're thinking, I ask
them to send me a Vox.
A Vox is like a walkie-talkieapp.
So, it'll be like I'm doing thisagain, Laura, but then they're
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marking it.
Okay, Once you mark it, thenyou become aware of that
behavior.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So, now I start changing it, doing it blindly,
yeah Good I like that.
So when did you start thatprogram?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh my goodness, when did I start this About 2017 or
2018.
So it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So pre-COVID.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yes, definitely pre-COVID.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'll bet pre-COVID it probably blossomed quite a bit
because everybody was havingevery kind of problem during
those years.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh, exactly, exactly, that was a tough time.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So with this program like Imean, obviously you're one
person, you can deal with somany people, and I know that you
know this this type of aprogram is not particularly
scalable because it requires youit's high touch.
So you have to decide.
You know clients you're goingto take and scheduling, so how
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many clients do you generallymanage?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I try to keep a small caseload for that reason,
because we're really intimatelyinvolved.
We're really connected.
I'm moving people forward.
Quality over quantity, yeah,yeah, exactly, and it is high
touch and it is bespoke.
So I do keep it small and asfar as numbers, it depends
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because I have other thingsgoing on as well.
So during busy times I'll takeless people.
During more times and I am in2026, I'm going to start a
certification program where Ican certify other coaches to do-
it as well.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh, I love it.
That's generally theprogression right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You learn a thing, you teach a thing, and then you
figure out that it's worthteaching somebody else how to
teach it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, absolutely Love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's fantastic.
So you've written a number ofbooks, and what's the timeline
of all that?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The first book that came out is Flaunt.
Drop your Cover and Reveal yourSmart, sexy and Spiritual Self.
And I wrote that because as anattorney especially as a female
attorney I felt like I was veryjudged.
I had to show up a certain way.
My voice had to be a certainway.
I couldn't look too pretty, butI also couldn't look not put
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together there was all thisjudgment.
You know what I mean.
I was either I was too muchyeah.
Yeah, and it was like I am morethan this and I have always been
very spiritual and I channeland people are like, well, you
can't be an attorney and channel.
Actually I can.
I am Might, I can.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I am Might even help you yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, so it was on.
Really, how can we bemultidimensional beings, how can
we own our power in all areas,how can we show all facets of
who we are and everything thatwe do in service, really, of
setting the whole world free tobe who they are as well?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Nice, Nice, and how, how, um you know, did you self
publish this?
Or I mean, you know, publishingbooks is so different nowadays
than it was.
It is.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It was traditionally published Um.
I had a literary agent.
The literary agent sells it todifferent publishing companies
and New World Library bought itand published it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Nice, nice, good job.
That's.
That's impressive.
I like that, yeah, and the nextbook.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, my second book is it's Not Burnout, it's
Betrayal Five Tools to Fuel Upand Thrive.
And you know, when you weretalking earlier about getting to
the root cause, that's whatthis book really does is it
helps people understand how toget to the root cause, because I
don't know if you, if you'veheard, but like the word burnout
, everybody talks about it.
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Oh, I'm so burned out, I'mreally burned out.
We're burned out, and that'swhat this book is about.
But are you really?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Right.
Is it really burnout?
You're bored or you just youknow you lose your inspiration
or you know there's.
We blame burnout for thingsthat really it doesn't deserve.
Like when you're burned out,your body's usually falling
apart and that's that's.
You have physical signs of atrue burnout.
You know you have a breakdownand you lose control in some way
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, yeah, and then people yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then people do these like remedies for burnout
and then it doesn't work.
Well maybe you're applying thewrong remedy you know.
So yeah, is it burnout, is itexhaustion, is it boredom?
Let's figure it out and thenapply the correct remedy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, and how have these books done?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Really well.
Really well, it's interesting.
I've done some book clubs andsome reading them together in
groups and that has actuallybeen a lot of fun because people
can share their experience witheach other.
You know whether it's a team,whether it's a group of friends.
You can go through the work.
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I give steps, I give resources,I give you know, tools and
processes and practices.
So when you're holding eachother accountable and when
you're moving through it, andthen you can talk, the
transformation is huge Because,again, we can know things in our
head, but until it drops, intoour heart.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I tell everybody I am the world's worst mind reader
and even if I could, I wouldn't,I don't know.
Just tell me what you want meto know and we'll go from there.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
But yeah, the first one was on the Tattered Cover
bestseller list.
It's won an award.
Second one was an Amazonbestseller.
So yeah, they've done well.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Good job, wow.
Now this last little tidbit I'mvery curious about is you're
channeling a collective ofwisdom keepers called the
librarians.
Now that is the kind of stuffthat I really just you know the
universe is so big and you knowI work with all different things
(24:12):
and you know retreats and plantmedicines and meditations and
sweat lodges, and I'veexperienced things that, like
you, don't even you know.
I don't even know what Iexperienced.
I just know I did and ittransformed me, and I'm not here
to explain it.
I just know that it's a muchbigger place than we'll ever
know.
So to think that we might tapinto an intelligence is, frankly
(24:38):
, very reasonable and likely tome if you're looking to do
something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, they are amazing.
I don't know if you've everheard about the like that.
Yeah, yeah, they are amazing.
I don't know if you've everheard about the Akashic realm?
Sure, but they are in theAkashic realm.
But instead of taking therecords from us, from our
individual souls and lifetimes,they collect the wisdom around
like a topic.
So every soul that hasexperienced betrayal and has
(25:07):
alchemized it and developedwisdom and gleaned something
from it, they collect theknowledge around that Same thing
like judgment.
All of us who have facedjudgment, who have overcome
judgment, what are the lessonsthat we would have to hand down
to our ancestors around judgment?
The librarians collect thiswisdom around the lessons.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Nice, nice, it's kind of.
You know, there's so manydifferent ways that these things
take shape, the Abraham Hicksand all these different
experiences of a spiritualenergy and and intelligence that
you know I like.
Who are we to think that we'regoing to explain something like
(25:52):
we're just animals runningaround this rock flying through
space and, and you know, youjust look up at the milky way
one time and realize that, okay,I'm just gonna sit here and
watch and try to learn and maybedo the best I can and, you know
, really humble.
So I guess we are running alittle light on time, but what
(26:16):
do you do with that?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
A lot, because whenever you feel like when we
go through something tough, wealways feel like I'm alone.
I'm the only one that'sexperienced this, and when I
channel for other people when wehave a session, it helps them
tap into the wisdom around that.
So, whatever you're facing.
Okay, what's the collectivewisdom on this?
You know, and it's the ultimateresource Again, whether it's
(26:40):
health, whether it's judgment,whether it's, you know, whatever
it is.
What have other people done,judgment whether it's, you know,
whatever it is.
What have other people done?
What is the wisdom that I canglean for myself and use to
solve this problem, to feelbetter?
And then, additionally, what isthat piece of knowledge or
wisdom that I can now contributeto the collective because of my
experience?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Nice.
So when you're doing this, areyou doing this by yourself, with
others, in groups?
How do you do it?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I do a one-on-one with people.
Yeah, I'd like to do some moregroups.
I think that's really powerfulto sit in a group, but right now
I just do it on Zoom or inperson and we just together, get
together one at a time and havea singular session.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Nice.
So I generally like to hearlike one impactful story of you.
Know you've touched a lot ofpeople in your life, but
generally there's at least onething that stands out is you
know I had this one experience.
Why don't you share one ofthose with us?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
This is kind of a collectiveexperience the people.
The thing that I hear over andover and over from people is I
have hope.
I didn't have any hope before.
I really thought things werebeing changed for the worse, and
I have hope that it's not goingto be for the worst.
It's going to be different andit's not what I expected, but I
(28:00):
have hope that it's going to beokay.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's beautiful and that's powerful.
You're right.
I came to a spot in my lifewhere hope was one of the things
keeping me going and therewasn't a lot of good options in
front of me and I still said,well, we'll find them, We'll
make them, We'll do what we gotto do and I'm not going to quit
(28:23):
until I get there.
And here I am.
I'm, you know seven miraclesstanding in front of you.
Yeah, so, Laura, out of all ofthis, I mean, you just left us
with a pretty powerful message.
But I usually try to say youknow, if you have a one, one
idea or one thought that you'dlike to leave us with, what
would that be?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I think the thought is it's all deeper than we think
it is.
There is so much more mystery,there is so much more
possibility and whenever youfeel trapped, just to know that
you are unlimited and just tapinto that limitlessness.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
I love it.
I love it.
Well, as I suggested in thebeginning, we could go deep on
any one of these topics.
I'd certainly love to inviteyou back.
How does somebody get a hold ofyou?
You know, if somebody isinterested in getting involved
in your life choreographyprogram or finding your books or
getting involved in anything,Thanks, my books are available.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Anywhere books are sold, you know, amazon, barnes,
noble, anything like that.
If you want to get some moreinformation about the Librarians
, if you go towwwcoffeewiththelibrarianscom
you can get my monthly channeledreadings from them and learn
more about that.
And then, if you also wouldjust like a Betrayal Recovery
(29:46):
Guide, I've got a free BetrayalRecovery Guide at
BetrayalRecoveryGuidecom.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Excellent.
Well, this has been amazing, asI suspected it would be.
I'm glad that you were able toshare some time with us and I
look forward to having you comeback.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Thank you so much, I appreciated it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
This has been another episode of the Healthy Living
Podcast.
I'm your host, Joe Grumbine.
I want to thank all thelisteners for all your support
and we will see you next time.
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