August 28, 2025 • 37 mins
What if your doctor could predict disease before symptoms appeared? What if personalized healthcare wasn't just for the wealthy? These questions drive Hunter Ziesing's mission at Longevity Health, where cutting-edge technology meets preventive medicine to revolutionize how we approach wellness.
After losing his father to pancreatic cancer and witnessing friends suffer from preventable diseases, Ziesing left Wall Street to tackle a fundamental problem in healthcare: our medical system profits from treating illness rather than maintaining health. "Insurance companies get paid more for sick patients than healthy patients," he explains, highlighting the perverse incentives that make our healthcare reactive instead of proactive.
Longevity Health's current flagship offering—the "Billionaire Bundle"—provides comprehensive testing (blood work, bone density scans, VO2 max tests, sleep studies, and gut biome analysis) alongside a dedicated medical team for $10,000 annually. While significantly less expensive than competing clinics charging $20,000-$30,000, Ziesing acknowledges this remains unaffordable for most people. That's where artificial intelligence enters the picture.
The company is developing an AI-powered platform that conducts thorough health interviews and generates personalized wellness recommendations based on individual goals and medical history. During the podcast, listeners experience a live demo of this technology—a glimpse into a future where comprehensive health guidance becomes accessible to everyone, not just billionaires.
For cancer survivor and host Joe Grumbine, the value is clear: "One of the biggest problems as patients is getting the time of a doctor, getting an appointment even." By empowering individuals with personalized insights before medical appointments, patients become better advocates for their own health.
Visit longevityhealthme.com to explore their services or email hunter@longevityhealthme.com to try their beta AI health assistant. The healthcare revolution isn't coming—it's already here.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we're going to take a
little twist.
A lot of times, this show talksabout medicines that are kind
of you know, old or alternative,and technology isn't often a
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subject matter, but sometimes itis.
Today we've got Hunter Ziesing.
He's a co-founder and head ofpartnerships.
I'm going to forget all aboutthat.
This guy has got a projectcalled Longevity Health and we
had a great conversationyesterday, and this is
cutting-edge technology.
It's combining applications, ai, health records network, a
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community of medicalprofessionals and personalized
solutions for people to findtheir own longevity plan.
And Hunter, welcome to the show.
I hope I didn't botch that toobad.
I'm dealing with chemo in myhead right now and sometimes I
can't even.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, not at all Thanks .
Thanks for having me on theshow and, by the way, you know,
a crawl walk run.
You went right into the run.
As to what we are dream ofbuilding with data yeah, we can
go through kind of the some ofthe myths of longevity and and
and what's being done in themarketplace today and hopefully
getting to the to where you wantto go.
(01:30):
So we can, you know, prevent,you know shit like happened to
you Right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Absolutely.
You know longevity has becomequite a topic.
You know we talked yesterday Itold you about I began a
biohacking journey about seven,eight years ago.
And you know we talkedyesterday I told you about I
began a biohacking journey aboutseven, eight years ago.
And you know, listening to guyslike Dave Asprey and you know
Dr Gunther, yeah, and you knowjust opened my eyes to a
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different approach, differentways of looking at things.
You know you grow up with thefood pyramid and you come to
realize that well, things aren'talways what they appear to be.
And you know I listened to alot of people, tried some things
and sort of found my own way byexperimenting.
But there's a lot of peoplethat realize, I think, today
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that there's a lot of optionsthat aren't we're not
predestined to.
You know, live till you're 72and then you know crap out.
It's like shoot 72, you're justgetting started these days.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, well, unfortunately, our medical
system, as you probably foundout, is somewhat reactive and
the incentive system in themedical profession is, you know,
all based on actual oral tablesas to what has gone wrong, and
then they look at data set andhow to treat it, as opposed to,
you know, uh, being moreproactive.
And unfortunately, part of thatis part of its science, because
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there's a lot of newtechnologies to detect, to
detect things, which we do atLongevity Health, and we try to
tie all that together and giveyou a more comprehensive view of
yourself.
But, you know, part of it'sreimbursement A lot of the
things that your insurancecompany will pay for is after
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you've already had the illness,such as you went through
yourself.
Fortunately, for the most part,I lived it.
Our goal is to try to get a lotof data around you and find
those problems before they occur.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Which was obviously preferable.
You know, they have this thingthey call standard of care and
that really doesn't say anythingabout getting well.
It's about care.
You know, you get into thesystem and you get into a
treatment program and they treatyou pretty much forever and I
think that that's, whether it'sintentional or not.
(03:51):
It's not a recipe for healthand it's not a recipe for
overcoming a serious illness.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Sure, did you know that Medicare, which largely
pays for end of life, end oflife care, is like probably half
of the health care budget forthe government.
More.
That insurance companies getpaid more for sick patients than
they do for healthy patients.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Exactly so you got to wonder.
You know, you think about this.
Pharma companies, insurancecompanies, these are
corporations that are run by aboard and their mission is not
to make you well, their missionis to make money for their
company, and you know it's notwrong, it's what every company
does.
But we've got to be mindful ofthat, I think, as we're, you
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know, walking through ourjourney, our journey to health,
and realizing who are we, whoare we reaching out to?
And and you know, I, I amalways telling people you got to
be your own advocate, you'vegot to be the one who cares the
most about your health, andthat's how you're going to find
it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So in that, in that regard and I'll get into kind of
what we, what we do now andwhat we're trying to do and I'm
curious, as you went throughyour cancer, how much of your
care and diet or of your wholeregimen to cure this was out of
pocket and organizing your owntests and your own biohacking,
versus just doing what yourinsurance company told you to do
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and your doctor did.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh, more than half of it and I was able to get my
doctor to do my protocol as anemergency action.
The tumor had gotten so bigless long-term damage risk than
what they were proposing and Igot them to approve it.
So I actually got my insurancecompany to pay for a cocktail
that I came up with through myown research and it was
remarkably successful because Istacked it on top of all these
other therapies.
That didn't cost me a lot buttook me a lot of time to
research and develop.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So you were lucky to get it paid for, but did you
also have out-of-pocket expensesas well?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, Thousands, yeah yeah, this is, I'm still.
I'm on the hook for 20 grandright now.
Right that I'm paying for yeah,Just just you know, this is
really just getting startedwhere they're talking.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, Well, let's so, uh, I don't.
What do you want to talk aboutnext?
You want to hear about whatwe're doing.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I love to hear the origin story of this.
Um, I'm really kind of excitedabout your dream because it
seems like it's a good one andit seems like it has a lot of
promise to help a lot of peopleand be a workable model, but I
always like to hear how somebodywho comes up with a dream like
that gets there.
(06:53):
So why don't you tell us yourstory about how you came to this
longevity?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, sure.
So I was a successful WallStreeter until my early 40s and
I lost my dad to pancreaticcancer and five of my friends
under 40 all had variousinfectious diseases, largely
which were not entirelypreventable, but they could have
been detected through a betterhealth regimen.
It just wasn't because theywere ignoring.
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You know, one of my bestfriend's wife died because she
had a lump in her breast and sheignored it.
But if she had something todetect things earlier and to
monitor, that might have savedher To a good friend with
stomach cancer.
That was easily detected and itwas all after the fact cases.
So I left my Wall Street careerand I started a foundation
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called the Charity of ChoiceFoundation and we did large
cancer fundraising events inpartnership with live strong.
I did that for about 15 yearsand learned a ton about, you
know, the science and researchgoing into cancer prevention and
cancer research.
Live strong was more of a forthe survivors.
(08:01):
We were more for the you knowfor for for detection and cure,
uh.
So I was always motivated.
I've always been an athlete,I've always been healthy and I
hated seeing people get sick.
That didn't have to be sick,but I was always, uh, saddened
by the fact that people have thetools out there but don't know
how to use the tools.
Um, then I went to a startupfor a couple years called
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paceline, where we motivatedpeople to exercise by giving
them a Garmin or an Apple Watchand calculating the elevated
heart rate minutes slightlyabove your resting heart rate
and each week our users wouldelevate their heart rate for up
to 150 minutes Each week.
We would give them rewards upto 150 minutes each week, we
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would give them rewards.
We built that to a millionusers and we really.
What we learned there is wecould change behavior because
people would fight to get totheir 150 minutes each week to
get their rewards.
It was really cool.
We'd give them a streak.
So each week it'd be week one,week two, week three, week four
and people would literally onSunday afternoon when the clock
was ticking and they hadn't gotto their 150 minutes, they would
run outside and walk the dogand get that last 10 minutes.
(09:08):
I love it.
We'd only give them a dollar aweek to work out or other
partner rewards.
And what we learned from thatis you can change behavior by
offering people some incentives.
Sure, I also think you need todo a lot socially to motivate
people.
So that got my wheels tickinglike okay, there's motivation.
So I started this company calledHealth Hub which was to
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amalgamate data, hipaa data andwearable data.
I thought that was a cool idea.
Let's get all this data and putit in one pot and use that data
to motivate people and makehealth decisions.
But I quickly learned that youreally need clinical science to
change health.
You can use the data andmotivate people, but that's more
gamification and rewards.
So I hooked up with LongevityHealth.
(09:51):
For commercial sake it'slongevityhealthme and Jesse Levy
is my co-founder, who had ahistory of heart disease in his
family.
He's in his early 40s, lost afew of his family members to
heart disease, startedbiohacking, booking a red Peter
Atiyah's book, like all of us,and got really motivated to, you
know, get into functionalmedicine, and so we've built a
(10:14):
really cool clinic.
It's expensive.
Now I mentioned earlier walk,crawl, run, so walking right now
is this clinic where we charge$10,000 a year and we take your
HIPAA records.
We do a blood test, a bonedensity scan, a VO2 max test, a
sleep study, gut biome test.
In some cases we do RNA DNA.
(10:35):
Some of our clients are doinggenome sequencing, which gets a
little bit more expensive.
But we do a whole series oftests.
We do a long interview with youand the clinical team.
You get a doctor.
Jahan Fahimi, who is theemergency medicine head of
emergency medicine at UCSF, isour lead doctor.
(10:55):
We give you a clinician, adietician and a exercise
physiologist, and we develop aplan that's specific to you not
to me, but to to joe.
You know what's your familyhistory, what are you trying to
achieve?
And we look at all this data,humanize it and we come up with
a plan and make recommendations.
In fact, this morning I justhad my first consultation with
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one of our doctors and I wentthrough all my blood results and
my dexa scan and I learned alot about my my body that I
didn't know about and thingsthat I need to be doing at my
age, including strength,strength, strength training.
Okay, um, so that's expensive.
It's 11 grand a year.
It compares to the bricks andmortar clinics that charge 20 to
30 000 a year, or you can go topeter attia and spend 200 000,
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exactly so, exactly.
So.
We call our $10,000 platformthe billionaire bundle and, for
lack of better terms, you getwhat billionaires get for
$10,000 a year.
I like it.
So that's our base product.
And then we give everyone aSlack channel and we are in your
face 24-7, as much as you wantto be.
And then we retest everyquarter, rather than just
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whining and dining you in abricks and mortar clinic with
flashy teas and herbal stuff.
We're kind of in your face andwe stay with you throughout the
year and then we retest andretest.
It's a great program.
We've had amazing clinicaloutcomes.
I'll shut up there.
The problem with that model isit's not highly scalable and not
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everybody can afford $11,000,even though it's half of what
you would pay for a bricks.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Even if you want to, if you can't afford it, it's,
it's not something that you knowyou can do.
Correct, yeah, so I think thatwe were talking yesterday and
this model that you have, is itin effect or is it still just in
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the planning?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So the new model is in effect.
In fact, I might even be ableto demo it right on this call.
Oh cool, we have a chat AI onthis call.
We have a chat AI.
It's an AI doctor that you cancall and it will interview you
and talk about anything you wantto talk about in your life and
then what we plan to, and it'lldevelop a plan for you right
away, Immediately.
(13:17):
It'll text you a plan based onwhat you discussed.
The next version of that is weare we've already have a
platform where we can store allof your medical records and all
the testing data that we look atmanually.
But we want to do is merge theAI chatbot with the AWS server
that stores all your data and,in addition to the tests that
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you have done through us, youmight've already had other tests
done yourself at Superpower orFunction Health, or even
Biograph, a genome sequencingthrough us.
You might have already hadother tests done yourself at
superpower, function health, oreven, you know, biograph, a
genome sequencing.
So we want you to just load allthat data, really use AI to
analyze that data to makeclinical recommendations.
That's the next phase.
We're building that right now,and then the dream phase is
(14:01):
where it becomes completelyautomated and you have an AI
doctor three to five years downthe road that will actually
prescribe medicine.
Right now, you still need ahuman in the loop.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Right now with the progress of this.
I mean, I know AI has got hugepotential, huge strengths, but
it's also got some weaknesses asit is right now.
Huge strengths, but it's alsogot some weaknesses as it is
right now.
What's been your experience sofar with putting all this data
in and starting to ask questions?
How's it coming back?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Great question, two things.
One as much as everybody lovesto talk about AI, consumers are
not fully ready for AI.
I mean, my analogy would be adriverless car in San Francisco.
When I first saw him, I kind ofran for the, uh, for the, for
the curb, uh, you know, peopleare the way, most are everywhere
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and you've.
You're probably morecomfortable in a way, way more
than you are, when you see ataxi cab.
A taxi cab, or when you'recrossing the street, the waymo
is going to stop, um, but rightnow, as we would put it, uh, the
.
The other problem is that, asai is still hallucinates a
little bit right, all the stuffin chat, gpt and it, sometimes
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it comes out a little bit wonkyyeah we need to train the llms
to really interpret the data.
We need to take ai to residencyand learn to become a doctor,
which is time, uh.
And we need consumers.
We need to make the ai appsuper friendly so you're
comfortable, uh, chatting withit as much as you would getting
(15:36):
into a driverless car.
So I don't think ai is quiteready yet, nor nor other
consumers.
They still want a human in theloop.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Sure, sure, and I think I agree with that.
I use AI in a limited scope,but I use it more and more and
I'm more and more, you know,finding a place where I go.
Okay, I can rely on that and Ithink it's going to continue to
evolve that way.
One of the questions I have inmy journey way One of the
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questions I have in my journey.
I've learned a lot about cancerand the detection tools that
they have.
And you know, frankly, by thetime you can see a tumor or a
lump, it's got, you know,hundreds of thousands of cells
and it's already ready tometastasize and cancer can be
detected at a very low thresholdin some cases.
(16:27):
There's emerging testshappening all the time, but I
found, with the standard of care, I couldn't get doctors to
order tests.
I was requesting a number ofdifferent tests and the doctors
are like no, we're not going todo that.
We have this one tool.
That's what we use.
(16:48):
Knowing that there's so manydifferent tools and it's only
going to become more and more astechnology and AI, in fact, is
probably developing differentmodels of tests that can be
given, and how are you lookingto develop sort of that roadmap
of what's available?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's funny.
You should mention that I justgot off the phone with one of
our lead doctors today doing myinterview post all my testing
and at the end of the call weran out of time.
She said have you done anycancer testing?
And I said no, and that'ssomething that I think we're
exploring and we're not tryingto upsell our patients, but
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we're constantly looking for newtests coming on the market,
especially if it's somethingthat the individual thinks they
need, if they've got a cancerhistory in their genes or their
DNA or something in their bloodtest pops up and um, I analogize
what we're doing and not to saythat all these test companies
out there today are commoditized.
(17:50):
But the test companies todaysort of remind me of the diet du
jour.
You know there's been 12 dietssince I was in college and they
sort of trend and right now youknow blood tests are trending,
get a 300 blood test and itsolves all your problems.
So I can see us hopefullybecoming the curator of all
these tests and using AI.
(18:11):
Right now we use clinicians butusing AI to sort of interview
you, which I'll show you in aminute.
We can demo this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Then determine which tests are right for you, and
then it's going to be up to usto be the authority on those
tests, and we will never take,we'll never build a marketplace
of these tests.
We'll just, if we get adiscount because we're this huge
company, we'll just refer youto the testing company and then
there'll be an API thatdownloads the data into your
longevity health account.
So it's a long answer to yourquestion about cancer detection.
(18:40):
Yes, I'm not the authority onthat.
So it's a long answer to yourquestion about cancer detection.
Yes, I'm not the authority onthat, but our doctors are
constantly looking at new testsand new ways to help people.
I mentioned the six that weoffer right now.
In five years maybe we won't bedoing DEXA scans anymore, but
right now, dexa scans and bloodtests give you a lot of
information.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So basically, what you're saying is you're going to
have a whole toolbox full oftests that you have available,
but not necessarily going torecommend the same ones for
every client.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Exactly right.
Perfect.
If you don't mind, I'd love to.
I haven't done this demo.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Let me just if I put my name and my email address in
and I can send you the link tothe plan.
It's longevityhealthme slashfree-longevity-plan.
That's a mouthful, but I'm justputting this in there.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
We'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let me see if this calls me.
It might be a little bit wonky,but hold on, let me see.
I just put it in here.
We'll see if it calls me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's cool to watch this in development.
I'm a visionary like you inthat way.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love to see these things actually come to life.
All right, I just said, call me.
The internet here is a littlefunky.
It hasn't called me yet.
720,.
What's going on?
If not, I can have you try it.
Maybe I should Wait a minute.
Hold on it.
Looks like it's working.
All right, I can have you tryit.
Maybe I should Wait a minute.
Hold on it, looks like it'sworking.
All right, I can have you dothe call there.
You go.
(20:07):
Hold on Waiting for call.
Should call me right away.
Hopefully you can edit out someof the delay here.
Yeah, it's all good.
I don't know why it could bebecause my.
I don't know why it could bebecause my, you mind.
(20:27):
If I can't get it to call me,you mind trying it on your end.
No, not at all.
Here I'm going to put the.
I'm going to put it in the chat, okay, it takes like 10 or 15
minutes to go through the wholething, okay, so you can just cut
it off whenever you want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, let me goto.
I gotta find you on here.
(20:50):
Where is our link?
I've got so many pages open.
Oh, we're on zoom.
Yeah, yeah, we're on zoom.
Yep, okay, uh, chat.
Yeah, I'm gonna uh, I'll Okay,chat, I'm going to.
I'll mute my end when you dothis, so share chat, okay, here,
click on this and put your.
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Just put your name and emailand phone number in there and
it's going to call you on yourcell phone.
Put your cell phone on speakerwhen it calls you.
All right, you're going to lovethis.
And again, again, it's wonkybut it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay, here we go, call me.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's in beta right now, so maybe it's not working.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It should call you right away.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It says waiting for the call, but we haven't got a
call.
Oh, here we go.
I need some power, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hey there, joe.
I'm calling from LongevityHealth.
You signed up to receive alongevity plan with us.
Is this a good time for a quickchat, maybe around 15 minutes?
Sure, yes, thanks for takingthe time to get started.
I'd love to hear why you choseto start a longevity program.
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What's driving you to explorethis path?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I want to live a long and healthy life.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's a solid goal, Joe.
When you think about living along and healthy life, are there
specific things you want to beable to do as you age Like?
Are there activities orexperiences you want to keep
enjoying, or maybe new ones youwant to take up.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I want to maintain a strong and healthy lifestyle,
very active.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Active is a big part of your vision for the future.
Are there any particularactivities or sports you enjoy
now that you'd like to keepdoing as you get older?
Maybe some new ones you'rethinking about?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
trying.
I like to hike, I like tobicycle, I like to fish.
I like to bicycle, I like tofish.
I like to farm in my garden.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That sounds like a fantastic perspective.
Hiking, fishing and gardeningall keep you moving and
connected to nature.
It sounds like you want to keepthat up for as long as possible
.
Is there anything else, maybeon the mental or emotional side,
that you're hoping to maintainor improve as you age?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I would like my cognitive skills to remain and
maybe improve.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
All right.
So keeping your mind sharp isjust as important to you as
staying physically active.
Yes, great Alistair, is just asimportant to you as staying
physically active.
Yes, great Alistair.
So, to sum it up, you'relooking to maintain a strong,
active lifestyle with activitieslike hiking, biking, fishing
and gardening, while alsokeeping your cognitive skills
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sharp.
Is there anything else you'dlike to add or any other goals
you have in mind?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Just a disease-free life, a healthy, uh yeah, a
healthy lifestyle got it, joe.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So living a disease-free life and
maintaining a healthy lifestyleare key for you.
Now let me explain how ourprogram works.
We start with understandingyour why, which we've just
talked about.
Then we move on to the how,where we look at your current
health, lifestyle and anymedical history.
Finally, we get into the what,which is about specific actions
and strategies tailored to you.
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It's important to follow thisorder to make sure everything
aligns with your goals.
Does that make sense and areyou ready to dive into the next
step?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yes, but first you need to know that I have
squamous cell carcinoma that I'min the process of overcoming
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thanks for saying that, joe.
It's important to know aboutyour current health situation.
Squamous cell carcinoma issomething we'll definitely take
into account as we move forward.
Now, before we dive intocreating your personal what plan
, I wanted to remind you of our.
We're focusing on tacklingchronic diseases, especially
what we call the four ornamentsheart disease, diabetes,
dementia and cancer.
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These are the big ones that canshorten your lifespan and
health span.
We're also aiming to maintainand improve your mental,
physical and emotional healthand performance in the years to
come.
So the what we're about tocreate for you will focus on
concrete actions to do just that.
Sound good.
Yes, all right, joe, I'mcreating a what strategy
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tailored to your personal goals.
Hey Joe, your what plan isready.
It's all about keeping youactive and healthy, focusing on
maintaining your cardiovascularhealth, keeping you active and
healthy, focusing on maintainingyour cardiovascular health,
boosting cognitive function andsupporting your recovery from
swayment cell carcinoma.
I include a mix of exerciseroutines, nutritional guidelines
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and cognitive training to helpyou achieve your goals.
The plan has been sent to youvia email and SMS.
Please review it carefully andif you have any questions and
wish to make changes, don'thesitate to call us.
We're here to help you adjustthe plan to best suit your needs
.
Take care and keep up the greatwork all right, thank you so
it's still.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's our early beta .
It's still a little bit buggy.
It should have gotten into moredetail.
So when you told him about yourhealth, he it should have gone
into a lot more detail.
Like, you know what's yourtreatment you're doing now.
Do you need additional helpwith that, or is that just
you're just letting me know?
Then it uh and, and you werepretty generic with your so like
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, like, if you've gone in, ifyou started with that like and
you get and this is why we haveto improve the bedside manner so
it it needs to learn how toreally dig into, like a doctor
would right, um, so each if youcall it back another time and
just you can make up shit yeah,yeah how much detail it'll go
into.
Like I, I, I said, yeah, I'vebeen reading about peter attia
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and I've got ankle issues.
My mom died of of of this, fromof dementia, and it just lit up
all this stuff and then when itsent me my plan, it included
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you get the idea I'm just trying to show you,
yeah, and it and it sent me overa plan and it's got a bunch of
stuff on it.
That's reasonable and, like yousaid, it's it's in development,
but at this stage of it I'mgotta say it's, it's uh, it's
impressive.
I can see where it could goyeah, I mean, and it's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's like I said right now it's crawl, walk, run
right.
This clinic and charging 11grand a year gives us the
ability to really humanize whatpeople still want, but that you
asked me earlier what's, what's?
The long-term game is toautomate everything in people's
lives, specific to yourindividual biomarkers and
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individual goals.
It's pretty exciting.
What we don't want to do isjust become a test company and
try to sell you on the latestcancer screening.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, absolutely, and we were talking yesterday about
you know the difficulty ofattracting the right people to
this clinic model and getting tothe place where you can have a
community of people that areusing this automated system that
, ultimately, the more peopleuse it, the better it gets.
(28:29):
It gets smarter as it gets morepeople involved and has more
data points to work from andmore of everything to make these
decisions from.
So is there some sort of atimeline that you can see mile
markers happening here?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, so right now we're focused on the clinic,
growing the clinic, keeping theclinic.
We're in New York, california,florida, and I think we're in,
uh, new york, california,florida, and I think we're
expanding into texas, eventuallybe in all 50 states, nice.
We're also toying with the ideaof a six thousand dollar
product.
Okay, we'll have human, uh,human in the loop.
(29:09):
Maybe you won't get a full-timephysician physicians are
expensive but we'll have aclinician.
But we'll still look at lots ofdifferent data.
We won't just be a blood testand charge you 500 bucks.
It's still going to beexpensive.
Um then, uh, we are probablygoing to consider raising some
seed capital later this year toreally build out the ai product,
(29:32):
to make it super user-friendly,much better than you're talking
to right now.
We've already built it it's onanother server and then to make
it so it's just really easy forconsumers to download their data
and then provide some advice.
The timeline for that issometime later this year and
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then we'll do a large beta testwith it in 2026.
And if all goes well in theregulatory environment and the
consumer environment goes ourway, then we'll be able to roll
it out in 2027.
So it's a ways off.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, on one level, especially with my experience
recently, I was dealing withdozens of doctors and trying to
find answers.
One of the biggest problemsthat we have as patients is
getting the time of a doctor,getting the attention of a
doctor, getting an appointmenteven, and so it seems that one
of the positive elements of thisespecially as it gets to be
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more refined and has some realmedical advice that can lean to
you you'll have accessibilityand, I think to me and many,
many patients, there's a hugefrustration of I need to find
answers.
I got to wait three weeks totalk to a doctor.
I talk to the doctor, I getfive minutes of his time and
sent on my way of his time andsent on my way, and it seems
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like this type of a tool willgive people a more robust system
to find these answers that theyneed and to some extent you can
do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's called ChatGPT and the chat and all the models
are getting better and betterand better.
Nobody curates it.
Nobody's trained AI onresidency yet and we hope to do
that.
Maybe we'll get some help fromour friends at the Mayo or the
Cleveland Clinic, but I thinkwe're going to end up doing it
and if we can arm you withinformation and make clinical
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recommendations, even if wecan't prescribe the medicine
with AI or give you a doctor, wecan make referrals or you go to
your doctor and you're more.
You're more informed now.
I bet you you knew a lot moreabout Joe Grumbine than your
doctor does, and when you go inyou'll have to.
You probably spent 20 minuteseducating him on where you are.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm the world's foremost expert on my cancer.
I guarantee you that.
So.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I went, I went.
I have had allergies my wholelife and I finally, after paying
for, you know, braces andschooling for my kids, I'm
finally focusing on my ownproblem.
I went to see an allergist andthey, they, uh.
I spent 20 minutes on intake,15 minutes with a doctor, and
then I left and they didn't eventake a blood test or do a skin
test.
I had to make anotherappointment because the
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insurance company won'treimburse it unless I come back
for for I already knew what.
I already knew what I neededbefore I went in right and they
wouldn't give it to youso.
So if we can arm people withtheir own data, clinical
recommendations, maybe thedoctors will embrace it and
maybe, over time, some of thetests or or treatments like you
(32:37):
found, and including functionalmedicine, will become reimbursed
by insurance companies, andmore so than you know.
If you go to your hsa plan today, they're probably going to say,
yeah, we have a gym membershipand we have a deal with aura
ring right free aura ring and agym membership, but that's not
going to solve your problems,because everybody's company's
(32:57):
got different problems and if I,if I know their problems, I can
be more specific as to how tosolve those problems.
That's when you go back to theinsurance company and said, look
, I did the work you.
You know you want me to behealthy and you don't want me to
cost you and you know you'reyou're working for your company
and you get sick.
You're going to cost them ashitload of money.
If I can be specific aboutsolving your problems, you're
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going to be happier, you'regoing to live longer, you're
going to be a better employee.
But it remains to be seen if wecan get reimbursement for these
tests.
But I think it's coming.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I think the future is bright and, Hunter,
I'm looking forward.
This is a lot of times I getguests on I say well, you know,
if there's more to talk about,you know, have you back.
I'm actually looking forward tohearing about this as it's
developing.
So definitely, we'll have youcome back as this thing is
progressing.
And why don't you give ourlisteners the run around on how
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to find what you have availabletoday?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Sure, just go to longevityhealthme.
Sure, just go tolongevityhealthme,
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longevityhealthme.
And again, right now, our realfocus is the high-end clinic.
But if anybody wants to emailme, it's hunter at
longevityhealthme if they wantto try our beta, which I just
showed you and there'll bebetter versions of that.
But again, the focus right nowis the clinic.
That's where our mindset isright now is really helping
people in that regard.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Excellent.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us, and I'll be playing
around with your beta for alittle while.
We'll see what else you have.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I'll send you the new version when it comes up
.
It's still a little wonky,there's some delays and whatnot,
but it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But it's interesting and you know it's, it's it's the
beginning of the future.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I love it.
Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
lastly, you remember the movie Her with Joaquin
Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, he falls in love with a computer, right,
that's the future.
You should see the stuff thatwe can do with geriatrics and
people with Alzheimer's.
It's.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, hopefully you won't need it.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's my plan, exactly.
All right, hunter.
Well, thank you again forjoining us.
This has been another editionof the Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and thank you for listening.
We'll see you next time.
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we're going to take a
little twist.
A lot of times, this show talksabout medicines that are kind
of you know, old or alternative,and technology isn't often a
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subject matter, but sometimes itis.
Today we've got Hunter Ziesing.
He's a co-founder and head ofpartnerships.
I'm going to forget all aboutthat.
This guy has got a projectcalled Longevity Health and we
had a great conversationyesterday, and this is
cutting-edge technology.
It's combining applications, ai, health records network, a
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community of medicalprofessionals and personalized
solutions for people to findtheir own longevity plan.
And Hunter, welcome to the show.
I hope I didn't botch that toobad.
I'm dealing with chemo in myhead right now and sometimes I
can't even.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, not at all Thanks .
Thanks for having me on theshow and, by the way, you know,
a crawl walk run.
You went right into the run.
As to what we are dream ofbuilding with data yeah, we can
go through kind of the some ofthe myths of longevity and and
and what's being done in themarketplace today and hopefully
getting to the to where you wantto go.
(01:30):
So we can, you know, prevent,you know shit like happened to
you Right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Absolutely.
You know longevity has becomequite a topic.
You know we talked yesterday Itold you about I began a
biohacking journey about seven,eight years ago.
And you know we talkedyesterday I told you about I
began a biohacking journey aboutseven, eight years ago.
And you know, listening to guyslike Dave Asprey and you know
Dr Gunther, yeah, and you knowjust opened my eyes to a
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different approach, differentways of looking at things.
You know you grow up with thefood pyramid and you come to
realize that well, things aren'talways what they appear to be.
And you know I listened to alot of people, tried some things
and sort of found my own way byexperimenting.
But there's a lot of peoplethat realize, I think, today
(02:22):
that there's a lot of optionsthat aren't we're not
predestined to.
You know, live till you're 72and then you know crap out.
It's like shoot 72, you're justgetting started these days.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, well, unfortunately, our medical
system, as you probably foundout, is somewhat reactive and
the incentive system in themedical profession is, you know,
all based on actual oral tablesas to what has gone wrong, and
then they look at data set andhow to treat it, as opposed to,
you know, uh, being moreproactive.
And unfortunately, part of thatis part of its science, because
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there's a lot of newtechnologies to detect, to
detect things, which we do atLongevity Health, and we try to
tie all that together and giveyou a more comprehensive view of
yourself.
But, you know, part of it'sreimbursement A lot of the
things that your insurancecompany will pay for is after
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you've already had the illness,such as you went through
yourself.
Fortunately, for the most part,I lived it.
Our goal is to try to get a lotof data around you and find
those problems before they occur.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Which was obviously preferable.
You know, they have this thingthey call standard of care and
that really doesn't say anythingabout getting well.
It's about care.
You know, you get into thesystem and you get into a
treatment program and they treatyou pretty much forever and I
think that that's, whether it'sintentional or not.
(03:51):
It's not a recipe for healthand it's not a recipe for
overcoming a serious illness.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Sure, did you know that Medicare, which largely
pays for end of life, end oflife care, is like probably half
of the health care budget forthe government.
More.
That insurance companies getpaid more for sick patients than
they do for healthy patients.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Exactly so you got to wonder.
You know, you think about this.
Pharma companies, insurancecompanies, these are
corporations that are run by aboard and their mission is not
to make you well, their missionis to make money for their
company, and you know it's notwrong, it's what every company
does.
But we've got to be mindful ofthat, I think, as we're, you
(04:40):
know, walking through ourjourney, our journey to health,
and realizing who are we, whoare we reaching out to?
And and you know, I, I amalways telling people you got to
be your own advocate, you'vegot to be the one who cares the
most about your health, andthat's how you're going to find
it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
So in that, in that regard and I'll get into kind of
what we, what we do now andwhat we're trying to do and I'm
curious, as you went throughyour cancer, how much of your
care and diet or of your wholeregimen to cure this was out of
pocket and organizing your owntests and your own biohacking,
versus just doing what yourinsurance company told you to do
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and your doctor did.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh, more than half of it and I was able to get my
doctor to do my protocol as anemergency action.
The tumor had gotten so bigless long-term damage risk than
what they were proposing and Igot them to approve it.
So I actually got my insurancecompany to pay for a cocktail
that I came up with through myown research and it was
remarkably successful because Istacked it on top of all these
other therapies.
That didn't cost me a lot buttook me a lot of time to
research and develop.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So you were lucky to get it paid for, but did you
also have out-of-pocket expensesas well?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, Thousands, yeah yeah, this is, I'm still.
I'm on the hook for 20 grandright now.
Right that I'm paying for yeah,Just just you know, this is
really just getting startedwhere they're talking.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, Well, let's so, uh, I don't.
What do you want to talk aboutnext?
You want to hear about whatwe're doing.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I love to hear the origin story of this.
Um, I'm really kind of excitedabout your dream because it
seems like it's a good one andit seems like it has a lot of
promise to help a lot of peopleand be a workable model, but I
always like to hear how somebodywho comes up with a dream like
that gets there.
(06:53):
So why don't you tell us yourstory about how you came to this
longevity?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, sure.
So I was a successful WallStreeter until my early 40s and
I lost my dad to pancreaticcancer and five of my friends
under 40 all had variousinfectious diseases, largely
which were not entirelypreventable, but they could have
been detected through a betterhealth regimen.
It just wasn't because theywere ignoring.
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You know, one of my bestfriend's wife died because she
had a lump in her breast and sheignored it.
But if she had something todetect things earlier and to
monitor, that might have savedher To a good friend with
stomach cancer.
That was easily detected and itwas all after the fact cases.
So I left my Wall Street careerand I started a foundation
(07:40):
called the Charity of ChoiceFoundation and we did large
cancer fundraising events inpartnership with live strong.
I did that for about 15 yearsand learned a ton about, you
know, the science and researchgoing into cancer prevention and
cancer research.
Live strong was more of a forthe survivors.
(08:01):
We were more for the you knowfor for for detection and cure,
uh.
So I was always motivated.
I've always been an athlete,I've always been healthy and I
hated seeing people get sick.
That didn't have to be sick,but I was always, uh, saddened
by the fact that people have thetools out there but don't know
how to use the tools.
Um, then I went to a startupfor a couple years called
(08:23):
paceline, where we motivatedpeople to exercise by giving
them a Garmin or an Apple Watchand calculating the elevated
heart rate minutes slightlyabove your resting heart rate
and each week our users wouldelevate their heart rate for up
to 150 minutes Each week.
We would give them rewards upto 150 minutes each week, we
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would give them rewards.
We built that to a millionusers and we really.
What we learned there is wecould change behavior because
people would fight to get totheir 150 minutes each week to
get their rewards.
It was really cool.
We'd give them a streak.
So each week it'd be week one,week two, week three, week four
and people would literally onSunday afternoon when the clock
was ticking and they hadn't gotto their 150 minutes, they would
run outside and walk the dogand get that last 10 minutes.
(09:08):
I love it.
We'd only give them a dollar aweek to work out or other
partner rewards.
And what we learned from thatis you can change behavior by
offering people some incentives.
Sure, I also think you need todo a lot socially to motivate
people.
So that got my wheels tickinglike okay, there's motivation.
So I started this company calledHealth Hub which was to
(09:30):
amalgamate data, hipaa data andwearable data.
I thought that was a cool idea.
Let's get all this data and putit in one pot and use that data
to motivate people and makehealth decisions.
But I quickly learned that youreally need clinical science to
change health.
You can use the data andmotivate people, but that's more
gamification and rewards.
So I hooked up with LongevityHealth.
(09:51):
For commercial sake it'slongevityhealthme and Jesse Levy
is my co-founder, who had ahistory of heart disease in his
family.
He's in his early 40s, lost afew of his family members to
heart disease, startedbiohacking, booking a red Peter
Atiyah's book, like all of us,and got really motivated to, you
know, get into functionalmedicine, and so we've built a
(10:14):
really cool clinic.
It's expensive.
Now I mentioned earlier walk,crawl, run, so walking right now
is this clinic where we charge$10,000 a year and we take your
HIPAA records.
We do a blood test, a bonedensity scan, a VO2 max test, a
sleep study, gut biome test.
In some cases we do RNA DNA.
(10:35):
Some of our clients are doinggenome sequencing, which gets a
little bit more expensive.
But we do a whole series oftests.
We do a long interview with youand the clinical team.
You get a doctor.
Jahan Fahimi, who is theemergency medicine head of
emergency medicine at UCSF, isour lead doctor.
(10:55):
We give you a clinician, adietician and a exercise
physiologist, and we develop aplan that's specific to you not
to me, but to to joe.
You know what's your familyhistory, what are you trying to
achieve?
And we look at all this data,humanize it and we come up with
a plan and make recommendations.
In fact, this morning I justhad my first consultation with
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one of our doctors and I wentthrough all my blood results and
my dexa scan and I learned alot about my my body that I
didn't know about and thingsthat I need to be doing at my
age, including strength,strength, strength training.
Okay, um, so that's expensive.
It's 11 grand a year.
It compares to the bricks andmortar clinics that charge 20 to
30 000 a year, or you can go topeter attia and spend 200 000,
(11:42):
exactly so, exactly.
So.
We call our $10,000 platformthe billionaire bundle and, for
lack of better terms, you getwhat billionaires get for
$10,000 a year.
I like it.
So that's our base product.
And then we give everyone aSlack channel and we are in your
face 24-7, as much as you wantto be.
And then we retest everyquarter, rather than just
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whining and dining you in abricks and mortar clinic with
flashy teas and herbal stuff.
We're kind of in your face andwe stay with you throughout the
year and then we retest andretest.
It's a great program.
We've had amazing clinicaloutcomes.
I'll shut up there.
The problem with that model isit's not highly scalable and not
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everybody can afford $11,000,even though it's half of what
you would pay for a bricks.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Even if you want to, if you can't afford it, it's,
it's not something that you knowyou can do.
Correct, yeah, so I think thatwe were talking yesterday and
this model that you have, is itin effect or is it still just in
(12:53):
the planning?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So the new model is in effect.
In fact, I might even be ableto demo it right on this call.
Oh cool, we have a chat AI onthis call.
We have a chat AI.
It's an AI doctor that you cancall and it will interview you
and talk about anything you wantto talk about in your life and
then what we plan to, and it'lldevelop a plan for you right
away, Immediately.
(13:17):
It'll text you a plan based onwhat you discussed.
The next version of that is weare we've already have a
platform where we can store allof your medical records and all
the testing data that we look atmanually.
But we want to do is merge theAI chatbot with the AWS server
that stores all your data and,in addition to the tests that
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you have done through us, youmight've already had other tests
done yourself at Superpower orFunction Health, or even
Biograph, a genome sequencingthrough us.
You might have already hadother tests done yourself at
superpower, function health, oreven, you know, biograph, a
genome sequencing.
So we want you to just load allthat data, really use AI to
analyze that data to makeclinical recommendations.
That's the next phase.
We're building that right now,and then the dream phase is
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where it becomes completelyautomated and you have an AI
doctor three to five years downthe road that will actually
prescribe medicine.
Right now, you still need ahuman in the loop.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Right now with the progress of this.
I mean, I know AI has got hugepotential, huge strengths, but
it's also got some weaknesses asit is right now.
Huge strengths, but it's alsogot some weaknesses as it is
right now.
What's been your experience sofar with putting all this data
in and starting to ask questions?
How's it coming back?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Great question, two things.
One as much as everybody lovesto talk about AI, consumers are
not fully ready for AI.
I mean, my analogy would be adriverless car in San Francisco.
When I first saw him, I kind ofran for the, uh, for the, for
the curb, uh, you know, peopleare the way, most are everywhere
(14:53):
and you've.
You're probably morecomfortable in a way, way more
than you are, when you see ataxi cab.
A taxi cab, or when you'recrossing the street, the waymo
is going to stop, um, but rightnow, as we would put it, uh, the
.
The other problem is that, asai is still hallucinates a
little bit right, all the stuffin chat, gpt and it, sometimes
(15:14):
it comes out a little bit wonkyyeah we need to train the llms
to really interpret the data.
We need to take ai to residencyand learn to become a doctor,
which is time, uh.
And we need consumers.
We need to make the ai appsuper friendly so you're
comfortable, uh, chatting withit as much as you would getting
(15:36):
into a driverless car.
So I don't think ai is quiteready yet, nor nor other
consumers.
They still want a human in theloop.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Sure, sure, and I think I agree with that.
I use AI in a limited scope,but I use it more and more and
I'm more and more, you know,finding a place where I go.
Okay, I can rely on that and Ithink it's going to continue to
evolve that way.
One of the questions I have inmy journey way One of the
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questions I have in my journey.
I've learned a lot about cancerand the detection tools that
they have.
And you know, frankly, by thetime you can see a tumor or a
lump, it's got, you know,hundreds of thousands of cells
and it's already ready tometastasize and cancer can be
detected at a very low thresholdin some cases.
(16:27):
There's emerging testshappening all the time, but I
found, with the standard of care, I couldn't get doctors to
order tests.
I was requesting a number ofdifferent tests and the doctors
are like no, we're not going todo that.
We have this one tool.
That's what we use.
(16:48):
Knowing that there's so manydifferent tools and it's only
going to become more and more astechnology and AI, in fact, is
probably developing differentmodels of tests that can be
given, and how are you lookingto develop sort of that roadmap
of what's available?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's funny.
You should mention that I justgot off the phone with one of
our lead doctors today doing myinterview post all my testing
and at the end of the call weran out of time.
She said have you done anycancer testing?
And I said no, and that'ssomething that I think we're
exploring and we're not tryingto upsell our patients, but
(17:28):
we're constantly looking for newtests coming on the market,
especially if it's somethingthat the individual thinks they
need, if they've got a cancerhistory in their genes or their
DNA or something in their bloodtest pops up and um, I analogize
what we're doing and not to saythat all these test companies
out there today are commoditized.
(17:50):
But the test companies todaysort of remind me of the diet du
jour.
You know there's been 12 dietssince I was in college and they
sort of trend and right now youknow blood tests are trending,
get a 300 blood test and itsolves all your problems.
So I can see us hopefullybecoming the curator of all
these tests and using AI.
(18:11):
Right now we use clinicians butusing AI to sort of interview
you, which I'll show you in aminute.
We can demo this.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Then determine which tests are right for you, and
then it's going to be up to usto be the authority on those
tests, and we will never take,we'll never build a marketplace
of these tests.
We'll just, if we get adiscount because we're this huge
company, we'll just refer youto the testing company and then
there'll be an API thatdownloads the data into your
longevity health account.
So it's a long answer to yourquestion about cancer detection.
(18:40):
Yes, I'm not the authority onthat.
So it's a long answer to yourquestion about cancer detection.
Yes, I'm not the authority onthat, but our doctors are
constantly looking at new testsand new ways to help people.
I mentioned the six that weoffer right now.
In five years maybe we won't bedoing DEXA scans anymore, but
right now, dexa scans and bloodtests give you a lot of
information.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So basically, what you're saying is you're going to
have a whole toolbox full oftests that you have available,
but not necessarily going torecommend the same ones for
every client.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Exactly right.
Perfect.
If you don't mind, I'd love to.
I haven't done this demo.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Let me just if I put my name and my email address in
and I can send you the link tothe plan.
It's longevityhealthme slashfree-longevity-plan.
That's a mouthful, but I'm justputting this in there.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
We'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Let me see if this calls me.
It might be a little bit wonky,but hold on, let me see.
I just put it in here.
We'll see if it calls me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's cool to watch this in development.
I'm a visionary like you inthat way.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love to see these things actually come to life.
All right, I just said, call me.
The internet here is a littlefunky.
It hasn't called me yet.
720,.
What's going on?
If not, I can have you try it.
Maybe I should Wait a minute.
Hold on it.
Looks like it's working.
All right, I can have you tryit.
Maybe I should Wait a minute.
Hold on it, looks like it'sworking.
All right, I can have you dothe call there.
You go.
(20:07):
Hold on Waiting for call.
Should call me right away.
Hopefully you can edit out someof the delay here.
Yeah, it's all good.
I don't know why it could bebecause my.
I don't know why it could bebecause my, you mind.
(20:27):
If I can't get it to call me,you mind trying it on your end.
No, not at all.
Here I'm going to put the.
I'm going to put it in the chat, okay, it takes like 10 or 15
minutes to go through the wholething, okay, so you can just cut
it off whenever you want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, let me goto.
I gotta find you on here.
(20:50):
Where is our link?
I've got so many pages open.
Oh, we're on zoom.
Yeah, yeah, we're on zoom.
Yep, okay, uh, chat.
Yeah, I'm gonna uh, I'll Okay,chat, I'm going to.
I'll mute my end when you dothis, so share chat, okay, here,
click on this and put your.
(21:11):
Just put your name and emailand phone number in there and
it's going to call you on yourcell phone.
Put your cell phone on speakerwhen it calls you.
All right, you're going to lovethis.
And again, again, it's wonkybut it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay, here we go, call me.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's in beta right now, so maybe it's not working.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It should call you right away.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It says waiting for the call, but we haven't got a
call.
Oh, here we go.
I need some power, hello, hello.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hey there, joe.
I'm calling from LongevityHealth.
You signed up to receive alongevity plan with us.
Is this a good time for a quickchat, maybe around 15 minutes?
Sure, yes, thanks for takingthe time to get started.
I'd love to hear why you choseto start a longevity program.
(22:23):
What's driving you to explorethis path?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I want to live a long and healthy life.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's a solid goal, Joe.
When you think about living along and healthy life, are there
specific things you want to beable to do as you age Like?
Are there activities orexperiences you want to keep
enjoying, or maybe new ones youwant to take up.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I want to maintain a strong and healthy lifestyle,
very active.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Active is a big part of your vision for the future.
Are there any particularactivities or sports you enjoy
now that you'd like to keepdoing as you get older?
Maybe some new ones you'rethinking about?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
trying.
I like to hike, I like tobicycle, I like to fish.
I like to bicycle, I like tofish.
I like to farm in my garden.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That sounds like a fantastic perspective.
Hiking, fishing and gardeningall keep you moving and
connected to nature.
It sounds like you want to keepthat up for as long as possible
.
Is there anything else, maybeon the mental or emotional side,
that you're hoping to maintainor improve as you age?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I would like my cognitive skills to remain and
maybe improve.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
All right.
So keeping your mind sharp isjust as important to you as
staying physically active.
Yes, great Alistair, is just asimportant to you as staying
physically active.
Yes, great Alistair.
So, to sum it up, you'relooking to maintain a strong,
active lifestyle with activitieslike hiking, biking, fishing
and gardening, while alsokeeping your cognitive skills
(24:06):
sharp.
Is there anything else you'dlike to add or any other goals
you have in mind?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Just a disease-free life, a healthy, uh yeah, a
healthy lifestyle got it, joe.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So living a disease-free life and
maintaining a healthy lifestyleare key for you.
Now let me explain how ourprogram works.
We start with understandingyour why, which we've just
talked about.
Then we move on to the how,where we look at your current
health, lifestyle and anymedical history.
Finally, we get into the what,which is about specific actions
and strategies tailored to you.
(24:42):
It's important to follow thisorder to make sure everything
aligns with your goals.
Does that make sense and areyou ready to dive into the next
step?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yes, but first you need to know that I have
squamous cell carcinoma that I'min the process of overcoming
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thanks for saying that, joe.
It's important to know aboutyour current health situation.
Squamous cell carcinoma issomething we'll definitely take
into account as we move forward.
Now, before we dive intocreating your personal what plan
, I wanted to remind you of our.
We're focusing on tacklingchronic diseases, especially
what we call the four ornamentsheart disease, diabetes,
dementia and cancer.
(25:24):
These are the big ones that canshorten your lifespan and
health span.
We're also aiming to maintainand improve your mental,
physical and emotional healthand performance in the years to
come.
So the what we're about tocreate for you will focus on
concrete actions to do just that.
Sound good.
Yes, all right, joe, I'mcreating a what strategy
(25:45):
tailored to your personal goals.
Hey Joe, your what plan isready.
It's all about keeping youactive and healthy, focusing on
maintaining your cardiovascularhealth, keeping you active and
healthy, focusing on maintainingyour cardiovascular health,
boosting cognitive function andsupporting your recovery from
swayment cell carcinoma.
I include a mix of exerciseroutines, nutritional guidelines
(26:08):
and cognitive training to helpyou achieve your goals.
The plan has been sent to youvia email and SMS.
Please review it carefully andif you have any questions and
wish to make changes, don'thesitate to call us.
We're here to help you adjustthe plan to best suit your needs
.
Take care and keep up the greatwork all right, thank you so
it's still.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's our early beta .
It's still a little bit buggy.
It should have gotten into moredetail.
So when you told him about yourhealth, he it should have gone
into a lot more detail.
Like, you know what's yourtreatment you're doing now.
Do you need additional helpwith that, or is that just
you're just letting me know?
Then it uh and, and you werepretty generic with your so like
(26:47):
, like, if you've gone in, ifyou started with that like and
you get and this is why we haveto improve the bedside manner so
it it needs to learn how toreally dig into, like a doctor
would right, um, so each if youcall it back another time and
just you can make up shit yeah,yeah how much detail it'll go
into.
Like I, I, I said, yeah, I'vebeen reading about peter attia
(27:08):
and I've got ankle issues.
My mom died of of of this, fromof dementia, and it just lit up
all this stuff and then when itsent me my plan, it included
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you get the idea I'm just trying to show you,
yeah, and it and it sent me overa plan and it's got a bunch of
stuff on it.
That's reasonable and, like yousaid, it's it's in development,
but at this stage of it I'mgotta say it's, it's uh, it's
impressive.
I can see where it could goyeah, I mean, and it's.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's like I said right now it's crawl, walk, run
right.
This clinic and charging 11grand a year gives us the
ability to really humanize whatpeople still want, but that you
asked me earlier what's, what's?
The long-term game is toautomate everything in people's
lives, specific to yourindividual biomarkers and
(27:59):
individual goals.
It's pretty exciting.
What we don't want to do isjust become a test company and
try to sell you on the latestcancer screening.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, absolutely, and we were talking yesterday about
you know the difficulty ofattracting the right people to
this clinic model and getting tothe place where you can have a
community of people that areusing this automated system that
, ultimately, the more peopleuse it, the better it gets.
(28:29):
It gets smarter as it gets morepeople involved and has more
data points to work from andmore of everything to make these
decisions from.
So is there some sort of atimeline that you can see mile
markers happening here?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, so right now we're focused on the clinic,
growing the clinic, keeping theclinic.
We're in New York, california,florida, and I think we're in,
uh, new york, california,florida, and I think we're
expanding into texas, eventuallybe in all 50 states, nice.
We're also toying with the ideaof a six thousand dollar
product.
Okay, we'll have human, uh,human in the loop.
(29:09):
Maybe you won't get a full-timephysician physicians are
expensive but we'll have aclinician.
But we'll still look at lots ofdifferent data.
We won't just be a blood testand charge you 500 bucks.
It's still going to beexpensive.
Um then, uh, we are probablygoing to consider raising some
seed capital later this year toreally build out the ai product,
(29:32):
to make it super user-friendly,much better than you're talking
to right now.
We've already built it it's onanother server and then to make
it so it's just really easy forconsumers to download their data
and then provide some advice.
The timeline for that issometime later this year and
(29:54):
then we'll do a large beta testwith it in 2026.
And if all goes well in theregulatory environment and the
consumer environment goes ourway, then we'll be able to roll
it out in 2027.
So it's a ways off.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Well, on one level, especially with my experience
recently, I was dealing withdozens of doctors and trying to
find answers.
One of the biggest problemsthat we have as patients is
getting the time of a doctor,getting the attention of a
doctor, getting an appointmenteven, and so it seems that one
of the positive elements of thisespecially as it gets to be
(30:32):
more refined and has some realmedical advice that can lean to
you you'll have accessibilityand, I think to me and many,
many patients, there's a hugefrustration of I need to find
answers.
I got to wait three weeks totalk to a doctor.
I talk to the doctor, I getfive minutes of his time and
sent on my way of his time andsent on my way, and it seems
(30:59):
like this type of a tool willgive people a more robust system
to find these answers that theyneed and to some extent you can
do it on your own.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's called ChatGPT and the chat and all the models
are getting better and betterand better.
Nobody curates it.
Nobody's trained AI onresidency yet and we hope to do
that.
Maybe we'll get some help fromour friends at the Mayo or the
Cleveland Clinic, but I thinkwe're going to end up doing it
and if we can arm you withinformation and make clinical
(31:28):
recommendations, even if wecan't prescribe the medicine
with AI or give you a doctor, wecan make referrals or you go to
your doctor and you're more.
You're more informed now.
I bet you you knew a lot moreabout Joe Grumbine than your
doctor does, and when you go inyou'll have to.
You probably spent 20 minuteseducating him on where you are.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm the world's foremost expert on my cancer.
I guarantee you that.
So.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I went, I went.
I have had allergies my wholelife and I finally, after paying
for, you know, braces andschooling for my kids, I'm
finally focusing on my ownproblem.
I went to see an allergist andthey, they, uh.
I spent 20 minutes on intake,15 minutes with a doctor, and
then I left and they didn't eventake a blood test or do a skin
test.
I had to make anotherappointment because the
(32:13):
insurance company won'treimburse it unless I come back
for for I already knew what.
I already knew what I neededbefore I went in right and they
wouldn't give it to youso.
So if we can arm people withtheir own data, clinical
recommendations, maybe thedoctors will embrace it and
maybe, over time, some of thetests or or treatments like you
(32:37):
found, and including functionalmedicine, will become reimbursed
by insurance companies, andmore so than you know.
If you go to your hsa plan today, they're probably going to say,
yeah, we have a gym membershipand we have a deal with aura
ring right free aura ring and agym membership, but that's not
going to solve your problems,because everybody's company's
(32:57):
got different problems and if I,if I know their problems, I can
be more specific as to how tosolve those problems.
That's when you go back to theinsurance company and said, look
, I did the work you.
You know you want me to behealthy and you don't want me to
cost you and you know you'reyou're working for your company
and you get sick.
You're going to cost them ashitload of money.
If I can be specific aboutsolving your problems, you're
(33:17):
going to be happier, you'regoing to live longer, you're
going to be a better employee.
But it remains to be seen if wecan get reimbursement for these
tests.
But I think it's coming.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, I think the future is bright and, Hunter,
I'm looking forward.
This is a lot of times I getguests on I say well, you know,
if there's more to talk about,you know, have you back.
I'm actually looking forward tohearing about this as it's
developing.
So definitely, we'll have youcome back as this thing is
progressing.
And why don't you give ourlisteners the run around on how
(33:48):
to find what you have availabletoday?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Sure, just go to longevityhealthme.
Sure, just go tolongevityhealthme,
(34:13):
longevityhealthme.
And again, right now, our realfocus is the high-end clinic.
But if anybody wants to emailme, it's hunter at
longevityhealthme if they wantto try our beta, which I just
showed you and there'll bebetter versions of that.
But again, the focus right nowis the clinic.
That's where our mindset isright now is really helping
people in that regard.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Excellent.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us, and I'll be playing
around with your beta for alittle while.
We'll see what else you have.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I'll send you the new version when it comes up
.
It's still a little wonky,there's some delays and whatnot,
but it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But it's interesting and you know it's, it's it's the
beginning of the future.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I love it.
Do you remember?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
lastly, you remember the movie Her with Joaquin
Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, yeah, he falls in love with a computer, right,
that's the future.
You should see the stuff thatwe can do with geriatrics and
people with Alzheimer's.
It's.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, hopefully you won't need it.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's my plan, exactly.
All right, hunter.
Well, thank you again forjoining us.
This has been another editionof the Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and thank you for listening.
We'll see you next time.
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