May 1, 2025 • 32 mins
What happens when childhood health challenges become the foundation for a lifelong commitment to wellness? John Solleder's remarkable journey from wearing leg braces as a child to undergoing spinal surgery at 17 set him on an unexpected path toward becoming a health advocate, entrepreneur, and glutathione expert.
The turning point in John's story came when his mother received a cancer diagnosis in 1996. While seeking complementary approaches to support her treatment, he discovered a glutathione precursor with impressive scientific credentials - research that began in 1975 and eventually attracted the attention of Nobel Prize winner Dr. Luc Montagnier and Max Planck fellow Dr. Wolf Droge. This product, now backed by 91 patents, became the foundation of John's health business and a cornerstone of his personal wellness regimen.
But John's health journey extends far beyond supplements. After reaching over 300 pounds, a chance viewing of the documentary "Forks Over Knives" inspired him to experiment with plant-based eating. The immediate improvement he felt after just one day without meat products led him to gradually transition to a primarily raw vegan diet. An accidental fall into his cold pool during winter introduced him to the benefits of cold therapy, which he hasn't missed a day of practicing in five years.
Throughout our conversation, John emphasizes that evidence-based approaches to health don't need to be complicated or expensive. From resistance training with discarded cinder blocks to "micro-exercising" throughout the day, he advocates for accessible practices anyone can implement. His philosophy echoes Jack LaLane's wisdom: "Diet is king, exercise queen. Put them together, you build a kingdom."
Whether you're struggling with health challenges, looking to optimize your wellness routine, or simply curious about evidence-based approaches to longevity, John's story offers practical wisdom and inspiration for your own health journey. The information is out there - now it's up to you to use it.
Visit johnsolleder.com to learn more about glutathione supplementation or explore John's podcast "Leaving Nothing to Chance" for ongoing insights into health optimization.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
His name is John Solider, andyou know John is going to bring
a perspective to this show thatI think is really important.
We talk a lot about ideas andwe talk a lot about products and
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services that are designed tobring people and find their best
life and health, but so manytimes and I'm a victim or I'm
not a victim, but I'm definitelya demonstration of that where
we generate these beautifulproducts, create these great
ideas, personally experiencetransformative processes and
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have no way to get it to thepublic, and I've had many failed
attempts at things for thatreason.
And so, john, welcome to theshow.
I'm very interested in hearingsome of your ideas.
You've got an interestingbackground and you know, from
martial arts to Russianwrestling, bench press
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competitions I mean, you've gota wide range of experience.
That brings you to this.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, first of all, joe, thanks for the invitation
and welcome everybody.
Nice to be here.
But yeah, I mean I was alwaysinvolved in athletics growing up
.
I was a kid, though, that hadphysical problems.
I was born knock-kneed andpigeon-toed so I had to wear
braces until I was eight yearsold on my legs at night and
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straighten it out somewhat, notcompletely and I found out by
playing high school football Igot clipped in the back that I
had a spinal disease calledspondylolisthesis, where I know
we're not on video, joe, but youcan see this where your hands,
if you put your fingers together, yeah, hands if you put your
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fingers together, yeah,basically, my spine was, was my,
the nerves of my spine on myright side were all wrapped up?
Oh no, and it caused me to havespinal surgery at age 17.
Very, very serious.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I know that.
Yeah, I mean I knew it wasserious, but my parents knew it
was more serious.
I could have died from it.
I could have had 80% paralysis.
Didn't know that untilafterwards.
Sometimes what you don't knowis good.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But then I spent a couple of years because I
couldn't play football anymore.
I spent a couple of yearsgoofing off.
I got into drinking, never gotinto drugs.
Fortunately I was lucky in thatrespect.
Good for you.
Never smoked, always hated it.
So, yeah, I tried it likeeverybody did and said I don't
want to do that.
On my 20th birthday I looked atmy dad, who had been an
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alcoholic earlier in his life.
He had given it up, fortunatelythrough the grace of God and AA
, but he was dying at about age55, 56, and had nothing but
health problems.
And at age 20, I said I'm goingto stop drinking.
And I really got focused on myhealth because a short time
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later I got introduced to myfirst business venture by a
friend of mine who I hadwrestled with in high school and
happened to be with a healthand nutrition line of marketing
which I knew nothing about, bythe way, I was still in college.
I'll give you $32 and I'll joinyour business and see what
happens.
In the very first month I madeabout $800 before I graduated
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college, and that was in 83, joeyou this oh yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I was making three dollars and 35 cents an hour for
minimum wage eight hundreddollars for a college kid was
huge money those days everybodypaid cash or a personal check.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It wasn't like today with a credit card.
So you made eight hundreddollars, you had eight $800 in
your pocket and that got meaware of herbs.
I had never really knew a wholelot about herbs before, but my
very first business venture waswith a company that sold an
herbal wine.
So that, you know, told meabout things I had never heard
about before, wasn't aware of,and started to take some herbal
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products.
That business unfortunately hadsome problems with the FDA
about a year and a half into mebeing with it.
But I stayed on my healthcourse.
I got out of the business for awhile.
The direct selling businesswent into the life insurance
business, but I always liked it.
And then I got introduced to awater treatment product and I
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became the top salesperson forthat.
I actually moved to Canada fromNew Jersey during that period of
time and developed a businesswith that company and then after
that I wound up helping todevelop another company that had
an herbal line where we broughtin a doctor who was a herbal
pharmacognosist and for those ofyou not familiar with the term,
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that's the study of herbs, andyou know this gentleman had both
educations.
He had the Western education inpharmacy at University of
Michigan, but he had thepharmacognosy degree from
National Taiwan University.
So he kind of had the best ofboth worlds.
And now he's back kind of inthe herbal space marketing an
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herbal product.
And just some strange thingshappened.
I wound up down here in Dallashelping a sports nutrition
company to grow and I workedwith people from the Moscow
Sports Institute on bringingcreatine into the United States
in a big way and Mum mumio,which was an herb, so uh, I was
kind of involved with that and,in terms of product development,
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helped to develop, uh, someproducts, not from a scientific
standpoint I'm not qualified todo that but from a strategy
standpoint.
You know, what did people need,for example?
okay um and uh, probably the thefirst uh direct selling energy
drink product that really wassuccessful.
I was actually the guy thatnamed it, believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's not a direct selling company anymore, but the
product's still out there, usedby a lot of professional
athletes as well as weekendwarriors.
But what really happened waskind of strange.
In 1996, I was pretty burnt out.
I went over to Israel to visita friend of mine and just kind
of see the world a little bit.
And while I was over thereIsrael to visit a friend of mine
and just kind of see the worlda little bit and while I was
over there, my sister called andtold me that my mother had
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developed cancer.
I needed to come home to youknow, see how it was going to
turn out.
It didn't, didn't, didn't soundpromising, let's put it that
way.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It never does.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, exactly, and then use that C word.
It's a bad word.
Yeah, exactly, I didn't usethat C word.
It's a bad word.
It should be a swear word,frankly.
But anyway, I came back and mymother was a stage two breast
cancer patient.
At that point I was leaving thedoctor's office after the last
you know sets of tests and youknow they turned into a human
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pin cushion.
Oh yeah, I said to the doctor.
I said, doc, is there somethingthat she can take?
You know, and I've been aroundherbs for years, I've been
around vitamins for years, I'vebeen an athlete for years I've
taken god knows how much moneyI've spent on supplements, right
, easy to do recovery and allthat.
And, uh, ironically, um, thedoctor said, yeah, she said I
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have a friend who is a professorat McGill and a researcher, and
she mentioned the guy's name.
He had a crazy name, gustavoBounos, which now I know his
name.
Yeah, right, you know.
And that combine was tough,yeah, exactly, yeah, solid was
not easy.
I get, I get all kinds of crazyspellings of that.
But uh, lo and behold, um, Istarted to buy this particular
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product, which was a glutathioneprecursor and, uh, that was in
in late 96, early 97, and nextthing I know, I find out that
they're selling it, direct sales.
Well, that's, you know whatI've been doing for about 13
years, at that time verysuccessfully.
I, you know, had launched somecompanies and products and had
all this experience and little,little tiny company in Montreal,
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canada, that was going tomarket this product and, frankly
, they had no idea how they weregoing to market it, but they
were business people and, moreimportantly, the product was the
product of research.
It had been researched since1975,.
It turns out that this DrGustavo Munoz, and this other
doctor, dr Patricia Kongshaven,started to collaborate on
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something for the human immunesystem by 78, they published the
very first peer-reviewed paperand some interesting things
happened Can.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I stop you for a second there.
I don't mean to derail, butthis is important because in the
world of supplements and herbsit's a double-edged sword and I
am in that world and I believevery strongly in it.
I have a lot of personalexperience.
But the problem is there's alot of unscrupulous people that
take advantage of the lack ofregulations and the
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standardization and the actualresearch.
So many times somebody willcreate a study that's limited in
scope and looking for you knowconfirmation, bias and they'll
publish you know anything andsay, hey look, this doctor said
this, this doctor said that.
But to actually get a peerreviewed paper of any type and
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to remain in a larger scope ofresearch, that is very important
and I just wanted the listenersto hear that part.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, well, you're absolutely right, because you
know, if I deviate for a minutefrom the story on that
particular product, but alwaysask people who paid for the
research, right, that's going totell you what the outcome is
going to be.
And unfortunately, you knowscientists, you know they got
bills to pay too, sounfortunately they're influenced
by it.
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And if it's paid by Coke, pepsi, kraft or anybody else, you
probably shouldn't take it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's great advice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know so, and that list is probably longer than
those companies, frankly, butyou know, or, by the way, by
industry lobbying groups.
That's a whole other group ofpeople.
But anyway, I got involved andI had no idea what glutathione
was.
I had no idea it's in everycell in our body.
But I started to get educatedon it and I started to get to
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know the two key researchers.
What happened between 1978 and1996 was that that product got
picked up by other researchers,two of which were really
influential people.
One was Dr Luc Montagnier Joe,you might remember his name, or
your listeners might.
During the whole COVID thing,he was one of the docs that came
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out.
He ran the Pasteur Institute inParis.
He came out and said do nottake it, it's going to morph.
Well, you know, for better orworse, it's right.
I didn't take it, not onlybecause of his advice I wasn't
going to take it anyway but Notonly his advice, I wasn't going
to take it anyway.
But you know, right there withyou and anyhow.
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So Montagnier was doing researchon the HIV virus and he started
to use our product with somevery good results, with a family
where the father hadimpregnated the mother and given
her the HIV virus and of coursethe baby that they conceived
was born with it and used thisparticular product in research
with them.
That research study became partof a book, a medical textbook
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still used in academia, and thatparticular book is on oxidative
stress and treating cancer andHIV.
And Montagnier was you know,huge, huge name won the Nobel
Prize for the discovery of HIV,along with Dr Gallo from the US,
and then another doctor up atthe German National Cancer
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Institute in Heidelberg, germany, fellow, by the name of Dr Wolf
Droga.
He liked our product but hesaid if you added some other
things to it anti-inflammatoriesit would have some better
results for older people, peopleover the age of 40.
At the time I qualified as anolder person at the young scale.
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I'm like I don't know whathappened.
All these years went by.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh man, Happened so quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But Drogue was a guy, joe.
That was really interesting inthe respect that he was a Max
Planck fellow, and if you're notfamiliar with Max Planck folks,
max Planck was AlbertEinstein's mentor.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Over in Germany.
The Max Planck Institute isconsidered to be one of the two
leading institutes in the worldof scientific achievement.
Most of the physicists in theworld have had some association
with it.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you don't know his name, you're probably not
involved in science at all.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Exactly, and if you're not familiar with it,
just Google it and you'll seesome of the other Max Planck
fellows.
But this guy, drogue, was a MaxPlanck fellow.
He was peer-reviewed, publishedover 300 times, so he used our
product and he actually wound uptaking some of what he added to
it in his research anddeveloping a product for us nice
with our original product withthese extra components in it.
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So it's a it's a veryinteresting uh story, but we
always went with the peer review.
We never went with.
You know, just hey, we say thisor we say that, which was very,
very unique because we are adirect selling company, by the
way.
In 1996, the guys that wereputting up the money for the
research said, well, ok, at theend of the day you can only put
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up money for so long.
At some point you've got tosell something.
Researchers need to eat,investors need to eat.
And that's kind of.
Where I got involved was, uh,late 96, early 97.
Like I said, my mom startedusing the product with very good
results.
By the way, she started at 69.
She passed away at 92, so uhproduct certainly helped her
through the years.
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I started to take the productmyself I was 35 I'll be 64 next
month uh, with great results bymy sister who's a doctor in new
york.
She's uh continues to take theproduct, etc, etc.
And then we built a bigbusiness with it.
But uh, realistically, you know, yeah, I look, research leaves
clues.
Um, and the fact that we werepeer reviewed has resulted now
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in 91, 91 patents on thisproduct.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Wow, impressive what we found with glutathione too.
That's really interesting.
Is you know when?
91 patents on this product?
Wow, Impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What we found with glutathione, too, that's really
interesting is, you know, whenwe started it was purely immune,
immune, immune.
You know the serious stuff ofimmunity, cancer and HIV, right,
the two, you know, two thingsthat are still, you know, very
much big problems, as you wellknow.
But what we started to findwith things like TBIs, that
there was a benefit fromincreasing glutathione Now you
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wouldn't think that, right, like, how does a brain injury have
anything to do with it?
Well, we started to do researchwith the folks at the Eleanor
Roosevelt Center out at theUniversity of Denver, with a
doctor out there, and started tofind some interesting things
with that.
And then, of course, athleticperformance, in terms of
recovery, for example, westarted some interesting things
with that.
And then, of course, athleticperformance, in terms of
recovery, for example, westarted to find things with that
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.
So you know, getting aglutathione level up is hugely
beneficial and you know that'swhat I do for a living.
You can contact me atjohnsolidercom
S-O-L-L-E-D-E-Rcom If you haveinterest in the product.
I, if you have interest in theproduct, I can certainly tell
you more about it and get you onit if you so desire.
So you'll have information Inaddition to that, you know my
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health journey because I youknow I had this problem early on
with my health.
As I said, with the surgeryearly on, I got very devoted to
my health and it's interesting,joe, and you can relate to this
in your own journey, and I'msure your listeners can, because
we're all we're on a journey.
I mean, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, if you're not, you're, you're.
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Exactly.
And so I mean what do I dotoday?
Ok, as a as a 64 year old guy.
Well, during covid, I actuallyfell in my pool one day, Not
proud of that, by the way, I waswalking one of my dogs.
I fell in the pool.
I live in Dallas, so it's notlike you know.
I mean you know hopefully it wasin the summertime yeah, but it
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was cold and the water hadactually frozen in the pool and
defrosted.
I was chasing the dog and Islipped and I fell in thinking,
oh my God, I'm going to get sick.
I got out and I felt.
Wow, I felt terrific and it'sfunny how things happen.
Right, I believe in God, so Ibelieve it's divine.
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Okay, but you know, if youbelieve in Mother Nature or you
believe in the universe orwhatever you believe in, I think
that old adage right when thestudent is ready, the teacher
shows up 100%, 100% that oldadage right, when the student is
ready, the teacher shows up Ahundred percent.
I'm watching TV, and I don'teven watch TV that often.
I'm watching TV.
I'm watching Brian Gumbel,whose show isn't even on anymore
, and he's talking about ournext guest is this crazy guy who
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climbs mountains in his shortsin the middle of the winter.
And I'm like, oh, and I findout.
There's this whole group ofpeople out there around the
world following whim, and Ithink I'm a whim guy.
I'm a big fan of whim somepeople, some people aren't, but
uh, I think whim's a great guyand I learned a lot from him but
locks his walk that's for sureoh yeah, oh yeah I I became a a
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cold dipper every single dayhaven't missed a
day now in about.
Let's see, that was 2020.
So, whatever it is, five years,wherever I go I was just in
Costa Rica took super coldshowers every single day, but at
home, I use my pool during thecolder months and I've got an
indoor believe it or not like ahunter's refrigerator that I use
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, used during the warmer months,which is now getting warm down
here.
So I just I just literally justturned that on this morning to
get it, get it, uh, frozen and Idefrost it and I go in there,
uh, uh.
From a diet standpoint, um,because I had been an athlete,
but I also had had, uh, multipleinjuries to my hips, my
shoulders, et cetera.
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I wound up gaining a bunch ofweight over the years and eight
years ago I was over 300 pounds.
I am 6'3", by the way, so I'mnot a little guy Still 300
pounds for a non-performingathlete is probably a little
extreme for most people.
It is, it is, and I was gettingup there in years and I was
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sitting in a restaurant herehaving a four cheese burger,
french fries and a milkshake andI'm thinking, you know, this
probably isn't good for my heartand you know it's not good for
your heart, but it tasted goodyeah and I said you know what,
tomorrow it was a friday night.
Tomorrow I'm going to just takeone day and go veg, just for one
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day.
I'm not going to eat any meatproducts on saturday.
And I did that on a saturday.
It was eight years ago.
I did that on a saturday.
I woke up on sunday and I felta little better.
Just my, my inflammation feltbetter that quickly one day and
I said, okay, well, thissaturday, what?
this sunday too, no big deal.
I'm home now, I'm not runningthe streets doing anything.
You know, I got up, went tochurch, came back to the house
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and I'm like, you know I'll eat.
You know, just eat other stufftoday.
And I did.
And then you know once againthat whole thing.
You know about the, you knowthe teacher and the student, and
I'm walking on the treadmilland, just like I found out about
Wim, I'm watching a talk showand I forget the girl's name.
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She used to be on Fox and shehad a big argument with Donald
Trump and they fired her.
Megan, megan Kelly.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
She had a talk show, and I don't even know if it's
still on anymore, but they hadit on at the gym.
So I'm watching this thing andthese three obese guys are shown
and all of a sudden they walkthrough, one of those those
things that you know.
Like, like you walk through,like at a high school football
game, where, like they breakthrough, the team comes right,
right, here comes these threeobese guys.
We're no longer obese.
They both all all three to lookterrific nice and they talked
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about the fact they had starteda running club in louisiana
where they live and and I thinktwo of them are cousins, one was
was related in another way, butanyway, these three guys had
obviously transformed themselveswith diet and exercise.
And they're talking and, um, Ican't hear it, but it's got the
you know the teleprompter thinggoing, you know, so you can read
it.
And the one guy starts talkingabout a documentary called Forks
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Over over knives.
Huh, never heard of that.
Came home, said to the wife, Isaid, hey, on netflix, can we
get this?
I said it opposite we have theknives over forks.
And she's like that doesn'tsound right.
Let me google it.
And she did.
And you know, forks over knives.
And we watched it that night,joe.
And and I heard Dr Esselstyntalk about the study that was
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done in Norway during the SecondWorld War where the Norwegians
were basically forced to givetheir livestock to the Germans.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
The Germans said well , you can feed your family with
the root vegetables, but we getthe chickens and the pigs and
the cows.
You continue to farm that andyou can eat what you can grow,
which they did.
Well, what's interesting isthat there's a corollary that Dr
Esselstyn talks about where thecancer rates and heart disease
rates in Norway were about thesame as the US at that point,
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during that span of World War II.
They dropped dramatically inNorway.
Okay, because they're eatingwhat are they eating?
They're eating radishes,carrots, you know beets, you
know they're eating rootvegetables.
1945, of course, you know weshow up, take the Germans back
to Germany and they go back toeating that stuff.
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Well, within a year the ratesare back up to the same as the
United States and you know thatone study alone told me I was on
the right path and I became abig fan of Caldwell Esselstyn.
Of course, and still am.
It's still an amazing guy, 91years old, still giving lectures
all over the world.
But you know, once again, itwas like the information was
there and I guess one of thepoints if you're listening to
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this and you're saying, okay,where's this guy going?
The information's out there,folks, for you to improve your
health bottom line.
Okay, the stuff we're talkingabout and the stuff that joe's
other people because I'm a fanof your show, joe the stuff that
all the other guys have talkedabout on your show, including
our mutual friend dr rothschildwith red light therapy.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know this is yeah , yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
He did a great interview just recently yeah,
yeah, matter of fact here,here's your people can't see
this, but there's his book.
I've done a whole book booktour with him, uh, on his book,
uh, but uh, um, you know, thisstuff's not crazy.
This stuff's got lots and lotsand lots of research and
evidence-based science to to tosupport what we're talking about
.
Um, the other thing, the othercouple of things that I do, by
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the way, I became raw vegan ayear ago, january.
That was kind of the next stepin my transition and I can't say
I'm 100%, I'm about 95%.
Occasionally I have some cookedvegetables, but that was
another game changer, was reallydramatically eating lots and
lots and lots of primarily fruit, really dramatically eating
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lots and lots and lots ofprimarily fruit, some vegetables
, every single day.
I just got back from Costa Rica.
I spent eight days basicallydoing an all-fruit cleanse with
some other people down in CostaRica.
Fabulous experience.
Water fasting is something elsethat I've become an advocate of
.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Once again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I study the guys up north Dr Goldhammer, and I also
get the other doctor's name upthere but I did a 10-day water
fast during Thanksgiving 2020.
And I said let me skip thebiggest eating holiday of the
year.
So I'm down in Austin, texas,at this retired chiropractor's
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house and, by the way, I dosuggest medical supervision,
certainly if you're going to doa water fast.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And anyway.
So I'm down there and I skippedThanksgiving.
Boy oh boy.
It just set off some greatthings for me health wise Last
year, last June, coming up herevery soon I need a 21 day, you
know, once again supervised.
I did.
I did do that at home, but Iwas medically supervised.
I was paying, paying somebodyto medically supervise me.
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Uh and uh, great results, notonly, not only with weight, but
more than that, how I feltafterwards and just just kind of
a constant reset with theautophagy and everything else.
So these are all things thatyou may or may not be interested
in doing, folks, but they'reworking for me.
The other thing I'm a hugeadvocate of is exercise.
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Before this call, I was at thegym 6 am this morning.
I'm an early riser and it'slike the sooner I get to the gym
the better to get it out of theway.
I'm an early riser, it's likethe sooner I get to the gym, the
better Get it out of the way.
But as we age, resistancetraining has been shown to be
that much more important, eventhan when you were an athlete.
When I was a competitiveathlete, and I still am to some
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degree I don't play judo anymorebecause of my age and my health
I still do a little bit ofpowerlifting and occasionally I
get crazy and I go to a trackmeet and throw the shot put.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Not all that well, but it's a great community of
guys, so I kind of do it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's not ever about how well you do, it's that you
do, and progression can be asminuscule as you can think, from
I did it one more time to I didone more rep to I did one more
pound or one more foot or onemore anything.
I can't implore people toconsider that in their journey
(25:33):
because people say, oh, I'veplateaued, I'm not getting
anywhere, it's not working, andyou got to look at what are you
measuring against and what, what?
What's the lens you're lookingthrough?
And I think it's reallyimportant to keep people moving
forward, regardless of whatthey're doing yeah, it's
participation.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
At this stage of my life it's like I don't.
I don't need another medal if Iget one when I go to something
great.
But that's not my motivation.
My motivation is I enjoy thepeople and it gives me a reason
to train.
It gives me a reason to beconsistent in my training.
But you know, just mentioningthe resistance training, I find
it's more important now and onceagain there's a lot of
(26:12):
evidence-based science tosupport this that you, you lift
weights of some degree and thatdoesn't mean you're in there
benching 500 and squatting 800.
It means that you're doingsomething right people tell
people all the time, too, thatthey think well, I've got to
belong to a fancy gym, and maybeI live in a rural area and
there's not one within 20 milesand it's just not convenient.
(26:32):
Build your own gym, either inyour garage or, if you can't do
that for whatever reason,there's nothing wrong with
assembling really discardedthings, and I'll give you an
example.
I've picked up at constructionsites, like cinder blocks, that
construction companies don'tneed anymore.
(26:53):
They use them for whatever andthey don't need it.
I throw them in the back of myold Chevy Silverado and I built
a gym in the corner of where Ipark my car in the back of my
house my, my good car and I gota little gym back there.
Sometimes I'll just go outthere at night for 10 or 15
minutes.
Do some curls, do some farmer'swalks, move my body right, so
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you don't have to have it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know you don't have to have the, the
multi-million dollar exerciseequipment do you can always drop
down and do some some push-ups,burpees, sit-ups, I mean any
resistance training is going tobe helpful you know, pick up
some rocks yeah once again I'vegone through construction jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Uh, you know where they're discard guarding you
know rocks and things differentsizes, and I, I've got a, I've
got an old truck.
Basically I throw them in theback of and and, uh, you know,
then I put them in the corner ofwhere we park our cars.
But you know, once again, dothat.
I've got a friend, scottErickson.
He's the best 60-plus-year-oldshot putter in the world and
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Scott has an expression that heuses called micro-exercising,
and he's an engineer, so he sitsa lot, lot.
He's on the computer all dayworking and he'll just say, hey,
five to ten minute microworkouts during the day, you
might get three or four of them.
Do something right, get someresistance bands, you'll get it
right you'll get, get somethingyou can pull on, push on just to
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move your body and get thatsynovial fluid uh going.
So that and that applies toyounger people too, but I'm
talking more to guys in my agegroup and women in my age group
it's just so important tocontinue to move the body,
stretch it and challenge it.
Your body's meant to bechallenged, so if you don't
challenge it, it goes to sleepon you.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I couldn't agree more .
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Those are some of the things that I'm doing.
I'm using methylene blue.
I finally broke down and boughtsome last month, but I can't
tell you good, bad orindifferent.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I've played a little bit with that.
It makes your pee green.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It is a little strange.
It's a strange substance,strange history to it, so I
can't tell everybody go take itbecause I can't tell you any
results with it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But you know, the main thing is diet.
I go, I go back to what jacklane said many years ago, right,
that, uh, you know diet is king, exercise queen.
You put them together, youbuild a kingdom and you know
those two things I think arevitally important for our
longevity and our health.
And look, we're not going tolive forever.
I'm not naive.
I know.
You know we get out of here ina box or an urn.
(29:23):
That's this reality, but it'show we get there exactly how do
we save that off as long as wecan and do it where we have
quality of life, where we canenjoy our life our loved ones
are?
I'm a dog guy.
I got four dogs that I.
I love their company.
It's like I.
I want to be here for them forthe rest of their lives.
They're all young dogs, so acouple of them are small dogs.
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Where they're going to live,you know 15, 20 years.
So you know there's a lot ofgood reasons to take good care
of yourself and do the best youcan, and there's no guarantees.
But if you do some of thesethings, some of these practices,
you're going to probably findthat the outcome is going to be
very favorable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I agree.
Well, john, we're getting alittle tight on time.
I want to make sure that you'vegot time to you know, really
give if you've got a 20 secondelevator pitch that you wanted
to share with anybody, and, ofcourse, how people can get a
hold of you and find out therest of your information.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Sure, it's real simple and find out the rest of
your information.
Sure, it's real simple.
Probably the best bet is justgo to johnsolidercom John and my
last name S-O-L-L-E-D-E-Rcom,and you also can listen to our
podcast, okay, which is calledleavingnothingtochancecom.
We've got our own podcast nowthat we've been doing for about
five years.
(30:41):
Excellent, some is on health,some is on health, some is on
business, some is on othersubjects from time to time.
But you might want to checkthat out.
And if you're interested in ourproduct, our Glutathione
product, I can certainly sendyou the 91 studies.
You don't have to read them all.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I would love to see that.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But once again evidence-based science, and
there's so much out there thatyou can do for yourself, and I
wish everybody well andappreciate you listening.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Fantastic.
Well, I agree with much of whatyou say and live by a lot of
those premises, and you hearthese things recurring in the
show.
And, john, thank you so muchfor joining us and I look
forward to maybe continuing thisconversation in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'd love to have you as a guest on our show too.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So we'll send you a call Glad to anytime.
Well, thank you very much toall the listeners that have
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This has been the HealthyLiving Podcast.
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Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
His name is John Solider, andyou know John is going to bring
a perspective to this show thatI think is really important.
We talk a lot about ideas andwe talk a lot about products and
(00:23):
services that are designed tobring people and find their best
life and health, but so manytimes and I'm a victim or I'm
not a victim, but I'm definitelya demonstration of that where
we generate these beautifulproducts, create these great
ideas, personally experiencetransformative processes and
(00:47):
have no way to get it to thepublic, and I've had many failed
attempts at things for thatreason.
And so, john, welcome to theshow.
I'm very interested in hearingsome of your ideas.
You've got an interestingbackground and you know, from
martial arts to Russianwrestling, bench press
(01:11):
competitions I mean, you've gota wide range of experience.
That brings you to this.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, first of all, joe, thanks for the invitation
and welcome everybody.
Nice to be here.
But yeah, I mean I was alwaysinvolved in athletics growing up
.
I was a kid, though, that hadphysical problems.
I was born knock-kneed andpigeon-toed so I had to wear
braces until I was eight yearsold on my legs at night and
(01:45):
straighten it out somewhat, notcompletely and I found out by
playing high school football Igot clipped in the back that I
had a spinal disease calledspondylolisthesis, where I know
we're not on video, joe, but youcan see this where your hands,
if you put your fingers together, yeah, hands if you put your
(02:07):
fingers together, yeah,basically, my spine was, was my,
the nerves of my spine on myright side were all wrapped up?
Oh no, and it caused me to havespinal surgery at age 17.
Very, very serious.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I know that.
Yeah, I mean I knew it wasserious, but my parents knew it
was more serious.
I could have died from it.
I could have had 80% paralysis.
Didn't know that untilafterwards.
Sometimes what you don't knowis good.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But then I spent a couple of years because I
couldn't play football anymore.
I spent a couple of yearsgoofing off.
I got into drinking, never gotinto drugs.
Fortunately I was lucky in thatrespect.
Good for you.
Never smoked, always hated it.
So, yeah, I tried it likeeverybody did and said I don't
want to do that.
On my 20th birthday I looked atmy dad, who had been an
(02:59):
alcoholic earlier in his life.
He had given it up, fortunatelythrough the grace of God and AA
, but he was dying at about age55, 56, and had nothing but
health problems.
And at age 20, I said I'm goingto stop drinking.
And I really got focused on myhealth because a short time
(03:20):
later I got introduced to myfirst business venture by a
friend of mine who I hadwrestled with in high school and
happened to be with a healthand nutrition line of marketing
which I knew nothing about, bythe way, I was still in college.
I'll give you $32 and I'll joinyour business and see what
happens.
In the very first month I madeabout $800 before I graduated
(03:44):
college, and that was in 83, joeyou this oh yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I was making three dollars and 35 cents an hour for
minimum wage eight hundreddollars for a college kid was
huge money those days everybodypaid cash or a personal check.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It wasn't like today with a credit card.
So you made eight hundreddollars, you had eight $800 in
your pocket and that got meaware of herbs.
I had never really knew a wholelot about herbs before, but my
very first business venture waswith a company that sold an
herbal wine.
So that, you know, told meabout things I had never heard
about before, wasn't aware of,and started to take some herbal
(04:20):
products.
That business unfortunately hadsome problems with the FDA
about a year and a half into mebeing with it.
But I stayed on my healthcourse.
I got out of the business for awhile.
The direct selling businesswent into the life insurance
business, but I always liked it.
And then I got introduced to awater treatment product and I
(04:41):
became the top salesperson forthat.
I actually moved to Canada fromNew Jersey during that period of
time and developed a businesswith that company and then after
that I wound up helping todevelop another company that had
an herbal line where we broughtin a doctor who was a herbal
pharmacognosist and for those ofyou not familiar with the term,
(05:04):
that's the study of herbs, andyou know this gentleman had both
educations.
He had the Western education inpharmacy at University of
Michigan, but he had thepharmacognosy degree from
National Taiwan University.
So he kind of had the best ofboth worlds.
And now he's back kind of inthe herbal space marketing an
(05:24):
herbal product.
And just some strange thingshappened.
I wound up down here in Dallashelping a sports nutrition
company to grow and I workedwith people from the Moscow
Sports Institute on bringingcreatine into the United States
in a big way and Mum mumio,which was an herb, so uh, I was
kind of involved with that and,in terms of product development,
(05:46):
helped to develop, uh, someproducts, not from a scientific
standpoint I'm not qualified todo that but from a strategy
standpoint.
You know, what did people need,for example?
okay um and uh, probably the thefirst uh direct selling energy
drink product that really wassuccessful.
I was actually the guy thatnamed it, believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's not a direct selling company anymore, but the
product's still out there, usedby a lot of professional
athletes as well as weekendwarriors.
But what really happened waskind of strange.
In 1996, I was pretty burnt out.
I went over to Israel to visita friend of mine and just kind
of see the world a little bit.
And while I was over thereIsrael to visit a friend of mine
and just kind of see the worlda little bit and while I was
over there, my sister called andtold me that my mother had
(06:31):
developed cancer.
I needed to come home to youknow, see how it was going to
turn out.
It didn't, didn't, didn't soundpromising, let's put it that
way.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It never does.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, exactly, and then use that C word.
It's a bad word.
Yeah, exactly, I didn't usethat C word.
It's a bad word.
It should be a swear word,frankly.
But anyway, I came back and mymother was a stage two breast
cancer patient.
At that point I was leaving thedoctor's office after the last
you know sets of tests and youknow they turned into a human
(07:01):
pin cushion.
Oh yeah, I said to the doctor.
I said, doc, is there somethingthat she can take?
You know, and I've been aroundherbs for years, I've been
around vitamins for years, I'vebeen an athlete for years I've
taken god knows how much moneyI've spent on supplements, right
, easy to do recovery and allthat.
And, uh, ironically, um, thedoctor said, yeah, she said I
(07:24):
have a friend who is a professorat McGill and a researcher, and
she mentioned the guy's name.
He had a crazy name, gustavoBounos, which now I know his
name.
Yeah, right, you know.
And that combine was tough,yeah, exactly, yeah, solid was
not easy.
I get, I get all kinds of crazyspellings of that.
But uh, lo and behold, um, Istarted to buy this particular
(07:47):
product, which was a glutathioneprecursor and, uh, that was in
in late 96, early 97, and nextthing I know, I find out that
they're selling it, direct sales.
Well, that's, you know whatI've been doing for about 13
years, at that time verysuccessfully.
I, you know, had launched somecompanies and products and had
all this experience and little,little tiny company in Montreal,
(08:11):
canada, that was going tomarket this product and, frankly
, they had no idea how they weregoing to market it, but they
were business people and, moreimportantly, the product was the
product of research.
It had been researched since1975,.
It turns out that this DrGustavo Munoz, and this other
doctor, dr Patricia Kongshaven,started to collaborate on
(08:33):
something for the human immunesystem by 78, they published the
very first peer-reviewed paperand some interesting things
happened Can.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I stop you for a second there.
I don't mean to derail, butthis is important because in the
world of supplements and herbsit's a double-edged sword and I
am in that world and I believevery strongly in it.
I have a lot of personalexperience.
But the problem is there's alot of unscrupulous people that
take advantage of the lack ofregulations and the
(09:07):
standardization and the actualresearch.
So many times somebody willcreate a study that's limited in
scope and looking for you knowconfirmation, bias and they'll
publish you know anything andsay, hey look, this doctor said
this, this doctor said that.
But to actually get a peerreviewed paper of any type and
(09:29):
to remain in a larger scope ofresearch, that is very important
and I just wanted the listenersto hear that part.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, well, you're absolutely right, because you
know, if I deviate for a minutefrom the story on that
particular product, but alwaysask people who paid for the
research, right, that's going totell you what the outcome is
going to be.
And unfortunately, you knowscientists, you know they got
bills to pay too, sounfortunately they're influenced
by it.
(09:58):
And if it's paid by Coke, pepsi, kraft or anybody else, you
probably shouldn't take it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's great advice.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know so, and that list is probably longer than
those companies, frankly, butyou know, or, by the way, by
industry lobbying groups.
That's a whole other group ofpeople.
But anyway, I got involved andI had no idea what glutathione
was.
I had no idea it's in everycell in our body.
But I started to get educatedon it and I started to get to
(10:29):
know the two key researchers.
What happened between 1978 and1996 was that that product got
picked up by other researchers,two of which were really
influential people.
One was Dr Luc Montagnier Joe,you might remember his name, or
your listeners might.
During the whole COVID thing,he was one of the docs that came
(10:49):
out.
He ran the Pasteur Institute inParis.
He came out and said do nottake it, it's going to morph.
Well, you know, for better orworse, it's right.
I didn't take it, not onlybecause of his advice I wasn't
going to take it anyway but Notonly his advice, I wasn't going
to take it anyway.
But you know, right there withyou and anyhow.
(11:11):
So Montagnier was doing researchon the HIV virus and he started
to use our product with somevery good results, with a family
where the father hadimpregnated the mother and given
her the HIV virus and of coursethe baby that they conceived
was born with it and used thisparticular product in research
with them.
That research study became partof a book, a medical textbook
(11:34):
still used in academia, and thatparticular book is on oxidative
stress and treating cancer andHIV.
And Montagnier was you know,huge, huge name won the Nobel
Prize for the discovery of HIV,along with Dr Gallo from the US,
and then another doctor up atthe German National Cancer
(11:55):
Institute in Heidelberg, germany, fellow, by the name of Dr Wolf
Droga.
He liked our product but hesaid if you added some other
things to it anti-inflammatoriesit would have some better
results for older people, peopleover the age of 40.
At the time I qualified as anolder person at the young scale.
(12:16):
I'm like I don't know whathappened.
All these years went by.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh man, Happened so quickly.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But Drogue was a guy, joe.
That was really interesting inthe respect that he was a Max
Planck fellow, and if you're notfamiliar with Max Planck folks,
max Planck was AlbertEinstein's mentor.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Over in Germany.
The Max Planck Institute isconsidered to be one of the two
leading institutes in the worldof scientific achievement.
Most of the physicists in theworld have had some association
with it.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you don't know his name, you're probably not
involved in science at all.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Exactly, and if you're not familiar with it,
just Google it and you'll seesome of the other Max Planck
fellows.
But this guy, drogue, was a MaxPlanck fellow.
He was peer-reviewed, publishedover 300 times, so he used our
product and he actually wound uptaking some of what he added to
it in his research anddeveloping a product for us nice
with our original product withthese extra components in it.
(13:13):
So it's a it's a veryinteresting uh story, but we
always went with the peer review.
We never went with.
You know, just hey, we say thisor we say that, which was very,
very unique because we are adirect selling company, by the
way.
In 1996, the guys that wereputting up the money for the
research said, well, ok, at theend of the day you can only put
(13:33):
up money for so long.
At some point you've got tosell something.
Researchers need to eat,investors need to eat.
And that's kind of.
Where I got involved was, uh,late 96, early 97.
Like I said, my mom startedusing the product with very good
results.
By the way, she started at 69.
She passed away at 92, so uhproduct certainly helped her
through the years.
(13:53):
I started to take the productmyself I was 35 I'll be 64 next
month uh, with great results bymy sister who's a doctor in new
york.
She's uh continues to take theproduct, etc, etc.
And then we built a bigbusiness with it.
But uh, realistically, you know, yeah, I look, research leaves
clues.
Um, and the fact that we werepeer reviewed has resulted now
(14:17):
in 91, 91 patents on thisproduct.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Wow, impressive what we found with glutathione too.
That's really interesting.
Is you know when?
91 patents on this product?
Wow, Impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What we found with glutathione, too, that's really
interesting is, you know, whenwe started it was purely immune,
immune, immune.
You know the serious stuff ofimmunity, cancer and HIV, right,
the two, you know, two thingsthat are still, you know, very
much big problems, as you wellknow.
But what we started to findwith things like TBIs, that
there was a benefit fromincreasing glutathione Now you
(14:47):
wouldn't think that, right, like, how does a brain injury have
anything to do with it?
Well, we started to do researchwith the folks at the Eleanor
Roosevelt Center out at theUniversity of Denver, with a
doctor out there, and started tofind some interesting things
with that.
And then, of course, athleticperformance, in terms of
recovery, for example, westarted some interesting things
with that.
And then, of course, athleticperformance, in terms of
recovery, for example, westarted to find things with that
(15:08):
.
So you know, getting aglutathione level up is hugely
beneficial and you know that'swhat I do for a living.
You can contact me atjohnsolidercom
S-O-L-L-E-D-E-Rcom If you haveinterest in the product.
I, if you have interest in theproduct, I can certainly tell
you more about it and get you onit if you so desire.
So you'll have information Inaddition to that, you know my
(15:35):
health journey because I youknow I had this problem early on
with my health.
As I said, with the surgeryearly on, I got very devoted to
my health and it's interesting,joe, and you can relate to this
in your own journey, and I'msure your listeners can, because
we're all we're on a journey.
I mean, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, if you're not, you're, you're.
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Exactly.
And so I mean what do I dotoday?
Ok, as a as a 64 year old guy.
Well, during covid, I actuallyfell in my pool one day, Not
proud of that, by the way, I waswalking one of my dogs.
I fell in the pool.
I live in Dallas, so it's notlike you know.
I mean you know hopefully it wasin the summertime yeah, but it
(16:13):
was cold and the water hadactually frozen in the pool and
defrosted.
I was chasing the dog and Islipped and I fell in thinking,
oh my God, I'm going to get sick.
I got out and I felt.
Wow, I felt terrific and it'sfunny how things happen.
Right, I believe in God, so Ibelieve it's divine.
(16:33):
Okay, but you know, if youbelieve in Mother Nature or you
believe in the universe orwhatever you believe in, I think
that old adage right when thestudent is ready, the teacher
shows up 100%, 100% that oldadage right, when the student is
ready, the teacher shows up Ahundred percent.
I'm watching TV, and I don'teven watch TV that often.
I'm watching TV.
I'm watching Brian Gumbel,whose show isn't even on anymore
, and he's talking about ournext guest is this crazy guy who
(16:59):
climbs mountains in his shortsin the middle of the winter.
And I'm like, oh, and I findout.
There's this whole group ofpeople out there around the
world following whim, and Ithink I'm a whim guy.
I'm a big fan of whim somepeople, some people aren't, but
uh, I think whim's a great guyand I learned a lot from him but
locks his walk that's for sureoh yeah, oh yeah I I became a a
(17:21):
cold dipper every single dayhaven't missed a
day now in about.
Let's see, that was 2020.
So, whatever it is, five years,wherever I go I was just in
Costa Rica took super coldshowers every single day, but at
home, I use my pool during thecolder months and I've got an
indoor believe it or not like ahunter's refrigerator that I use
(17:43):
, used during the warmer months,which is now getting warm down
here.
So I just I just literally justturned that on this morning to
get it, get it, uh, frozen and Idefrost it and I go in there,
uh, uh.
From a diet standpoint, um,because I had been an athlete,
but I also had had, uh, multipleinjuries to my hips, my
shoulders, et cetera.
(18:03):
I wound up gaining a bunch ofweight over the years and eight
years ago I was over 300 pounds.
I am 6'3", by the way, so I'mnot a little guy Still 300
pounds for a non-performingathlete is probably a little
extreme for most people.
It is, it is, and I was gettingup there in years and I was
(18:25):
sitting in a restaurant herehaving a four cheese burger,
french fries and a milkshake andI'm thinking, you know, this
probably isn't good for my heartand you know it's not good for
your heart, but it tasted goodyeah and I said you know what,
tomorrow it was a friday night.
Tomorrow I'm going to just takeone day and go veg, just for one
(18:45):
day.
I'm not going to eat any meatproducts on saturday.
And I did that on a saturday.
It was eight years ago.
I did that on a saturday.
I woke up on sunday and I felta little better.
Just my, my inflammation feltbetter that quickly one day and
I said, okay, well, thissaturday, what?
this sunday too, no big deal.
I'm home now, I'm not runningthe streets doing anything.
You know, I got up, went tochurch, came back to the house
(19:07):
and I'm like, you know I'll eat.
You know, just eat other stufftoday.
And I did.
And then you know once againthat whole thing.
You know about the, you knowthe teacher and the student, and
I'm walking on the treadmilland, just like I found out about
Wim, I'm watching a talk showand I forget the girl's name.
(19:27):
She used to be on Fox and shehad a big argument with Donald
Trump and they fired her.
Megan, megan Kelly.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
She had a talk show, and I don't even know if it's
still on anymore, but they hadit on at the gym.
So I'm watching this thing andthese three obese guys are shown
and all of a sudden they walkthrough, one of those those
things that you know.
Like, like you walk through,like at a high school football
game, where, like they breakthrough, the team comes right,
right, here comes these threeobese guys.
We're no longer obese.
They both all all three to lookterrific nice and they talked
(19:59):
about the fact they had starteda running club in louisiana
where they live and and I thinktwo of them are cousins, one was
was related in another way, butanyway, these three guys had
obviously transformed themselveswith diet and exercise.
And they're talking and, um, Ican't hear it, but it's got the
you know the teleprompter thinggoing, you know, so you can read
it.
And the one guy starts talkingabout a documentary called Forks
(20:22):
Over over knives.
Huh, never heard of that.
Came home, said to the wife, Isaid, hey, on netflix, can we
get this?
I said it opposite we have theknives over forks.
And she's like that doesn'tsound right.
Let me google it.
And she did.
And you know, forks over knives.
And we watched it that night,joe.
And and I heard Dr Esselstyntalk about the study that was
(20:45):
done in Norway during the SecondWorld War where the Norwegians
were basically forced to givetheir livestock to the Germans.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
The Germans said well , you can feed your family with
the root vegetables, but we getthe chickens and the pigs and
the cows.
You continue to farm that andyou can eat what you can grow,
which they did.
Well, what's interesting isthat there's a corollary that Dr
Esselstyn talks about where thecancer rates and heart disease
rates in Norway were about thesame as the US at that point,
(21:16):
during that span of World War II.
They dropped dramatically inNorway.
Okay, because they're eatingwhat are they eating?
They're eating radishes,carrots, you know beets, you
know they're eating rootvegetables.
1945, of course, you know weshow up, take the Germans back
to Germany and they go back toeating that stuff.
(21:38):
Well, within a year the ratesare back up to the same as the
United States and you know thatone study alone told me I was on
the right path and I became abig fan of Caldwell Esselstyn.
Of course, and still am.
It's still an amazing guy, 91years old, still giving lectures
all over the world.
But you know, once again, itwas like the information was
there and I guess one of thepoints if you're listening to
(22:00):
this and you're saying, okay,where's this guy going?
The information's out there,folks, for you to improve your
health bottom line.
Okay, the stuff we're talkingabout and the stuff that joe's
other people because I'm a fanof your show, joe the stuff that
all the other guys have talkedabout on your show, including
our mutual friend dr rothschildwith red light therapy.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know this is yeah , yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
He did a great interview just recently yeah,
yeah, matter of fact here,here's your people can't see
this, but there's his book.
I've done a whole book booktour with him, uh, on his book,
uh, but uh, um, you know, thisstuff's not crazy.
This stuff's got lots and lotsand lots of research and
evidence-based science to to tosupport what we're talking about
.
Um, the other thing, the othercouple of things that I do, by
(22:43):
the way, I became raw vegan ayear ago, january.
That was kind of the next stepin my transition and I can't say
I'm 100%, I'm about 95%.
Occasionally I have some cookedvegetables, but that was
another game changer, was reallydramatically eating lots and
lots and lots of primarily fruit, really dramatically eating
(23:05):
lots and lots and lots ofprimarily fruit, some vegetables
, every single day.
I just got back from Costa Rica.
I spent eight days basicallydoing an all-fruit cleanse with
some other people down in CostaRica.
Fabulous experience.
Water fasting is something elsethat I've become an advocate of
.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Once again.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I study the guys up north Dr Goldhammer, and I also
get the other doctor's name upthere but I did a 10-day water
fast during Thanksgiving 2020.
And I said let me skip thebiggest eating holiday of the
year.
So I'm down in Austin, texas,at this retired chiropractor's
(23:46):
house and, by the way, I dosuggest medical supervision,
certainly if you're going to doa water fast.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And anyway.
So I'm down there and I skippedThanksgiving.
Boy oh boy.
It just set off some greatthings for me health wise Last
year, last June, coming up herevery soon I need a 21 day, you
know, once again supervised.
I did.
I did do that at home, but Iwas medically supervised.
I was paying, paying somebodyto medically supervise me.
(24:12):
Uh and uh, great results, notonly, not only with weight, but
more than that, how I feltafterwards and just just kind of
a constant reset with theautophagy and everything else.
So these are all things thatyou may or may not be interested
in doing, folks, but they'reworking for me.
The other thing I'm a hugeadvocate of is exercise.
(24:34):
Before this call, I was at thegym 6 am this morning.
I'm an early riser and it'slike the sooner I get to the gym
the better to get it out of theway.
I'm an early riser, it's likethe sooner I get to the gym, the
better Get it out of the way.
But as we age, resistancetraining has been shown to be
that much more important, eventhan when you were an athlete.
When I was a competitiveathlete, and I still am to some
(24:55):
degree I don't play judo anymorebecause of my age and my health
I still do a little bit ofpowerlifting and occasionally I
get crazy and I go to a trackmeet and throw the shot put.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Not all that well, but it's a great community of
guys, so I kind of do it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's not ever about how well you do, it's that you
do, and progression can be asminuscule as you can think, from
I did it one more time to I didone more rep to I did one more
pound or one more foot or onemore anything.
I can't implore people toconsider that in their journey
(25:33):
because people say, oh, I'veplateaued, I'm not getting
anywhere, it's not working, andyou got to look at what are you
measuring against and what, what?
What's the lens you're lookingthrough?
And I think it's reallyimportant to keep people moving
forward, regardless of whatthey're doing yeah, it's
participation.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
At this stage of my life it's like I don't.
I don't need another medal if Iget one when I go to something
great.
But that's not my motivation.
My motivation is I enjoy thepeople and it gives me a reason
to train.
It gives me a reason to beconsistent in my training.
But you know, just mentioningthe resistance training, I find
it's more important now and onceagain there's a lot of
(26:12):
evidence-based science tosupport this that you, you lift
weights of some degree and thatdoesn't mean you're in there
benching 500 and squatting 800.
It means that you're doingsomething right people tell
people all the time, too, thatthey think well, I've got to
belong to a fancy gym, and maybeI live in a rural area and
there's not one within 20 milesand it's just not convenient.
(26:32):
Build your own gym, either inyour garage or, if you can't do
that for whatever reason,there's nothing wrong with
assembling really discardedthings, and I'll give you an
example.
I've picked up at constructionsites, like cinder blocks, that
construction companies don'tneed anymore.
(26:53):
They use them for whatever andthey don't need it.
I throw them in the back of myold Chevy Silverado and I built
a gym in the corner of where Ipark my car in the back of my
house my, my good car and I gota little gym back there.
Sometimes I'll just go outthere at night for 10 or 15
minutes.
Do some curls, do some farmer'swalks, move my body right, so
(27:14):
you don't have to have it.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know you don't have to have the, the
multi-million dollar exerciseequipment do you can always drop
down and do some some push-ups,burpees, sit-ups, I mean any
resistance training is going tobe helpful you know, pick up
some rocks yeah once again I'vegone through construction jobs.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Uh, you know where they're discard guarding you
know rocks and things differentsizes, and I, I've got a, I've
got an old truck.
Basically I throw them in theback of and and, uh, you know,
then I put them in the corner ofwhere we park our cars.
But you know, once again, dothat.
I've got a friend, scottErickson.
He's the best 60-plus-year-oldshot putter in the world and
(27:55):
Scott has an expression that heuses called micro-exercising,
and he's an engineer, so he sitsa lot, lot.
He's on the computer all dayworking and he'll just say, hey,
five to ten minute microworkouts during the day, you
might get three or four of them.
Do something right, get someresistance bands, you'll get it
right you'll get, get somethingyou can pull on, push on just to
(28:17):
move your body and get thatsynovial fluid uh going.
So that and that applies toyounger people too, but I'm
talking more to guys in my agegroup and women in my age group
it's just so important tocontinue to move the body,
stretch it and challenge it.
Your body's meant to bechallenged, so if you don't
challenge it, it goes to sleepon you.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I couldn't agree more .
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Those are some of the things that I'm doing.
I'm using methylene blue.
I finally broke down and boughtsome last month, but I can't
tell you good, bad orindifferent.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I've played a little bit with that.
It makes your pee green.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It is a little strange.
It's a strange substance,strange history to it, so I
can't tell everybody go take itbecause I can't tell you any
results with it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But you know, the main thing is diet.
I go, I go back to what jacklane said many years ago, right,
that, uh, you know diet is king, exercise queen.
You put them together, youbuild a kingdom and you know
those two things I think arevitally important for our
longevity and our health.
And look, we're not going tolive forever.
I'm not naive.
I know.
You know we get out of here ina box or an urn.
(29:23):
That's this reality, but it'show we get there exactly how do
we save that off as long as wecan and do it where we have
quality of life, where we canenjoy our life our loved ones
are?
I'm a dog guy.
I got four dogs that I.
I love their company.
It's like I.
I want to be here for them forthe rest of their lives.
They're all young dogs, so acouple of them are small dogs.
(29:46):
Where they're going to live,you know 15, 20 years.
So you know there's a lot ofgood reasons to take good care
of yourself and do the best youcan, and there's no guarantees.
But if you do some of thesethings, some of these practices,
you're going to probably findthat the outcome is going to be
very favorable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I agree.
Well, john, we're getting alittle tight on time.
I want to make sure that you'vegot time to you know, really
give if you've got a 20 secondelevator pitch that you wanted
to share with anybody, and, ofcourse, how people can get a
hold of you and find out therest of your information.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Sure, it's real simple and find out the rest of
your information.
Sure, it's real simple.
Probably the best bet is justgo to johnsolidercom John and my
last name S-O-L-L-E-D-E-Rcom,and you also can listen to our
podcast, okay, which is calledleavingnothingtochancecom.
We've got our own podcast nowthat we've been doing for about
five years.
(30:41):
Excellent, some is on health,some is on health, some is on
business, some is on othersubjects from time to time.
But you might want to checkthat out.
And if you're interested in ourproduct, our Glutathione
product, I can certainly sendyou the 91 studies.
You don't have to read them all.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I would love to see that.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But once again evidence-based science, and
there's so much out there thatyou can do for yourself, and I
wish everybody well andappreciate you listening.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Fantastic.
Well, I agree with much of whatyou say and live by a lot of
those premises, and you hearthese things recurring in the
show.
And, john, thank you so muchfor joining us and I look
forward to maybe continuing thisconversation in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'd love to have you as a guest on our show too.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So we'll send you a call Glad to anytime.
Well, thank you very much toall the listeners that have
supported the show.
This has been the HealthyLiving Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and we will see you next time.
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