September 19, 2025 • 28 mins
Dr. Jeffrey Hockings is transforming the landscape of diabetes treatment through his revolutionary telehealth platform, the Diabetes Reversal Group. With over a decade of functional medicine experience and a personal connection to the disease that runs in his family, Dr. Hockings has developed the world's only patented system for reversing type 2 diabetes—not just managing it.
At the heart of type 2 diabetes lies insulin resistance, where years of poor dietary choices force the body to produce excessive insulin until cells become resistant to this crucial hormone. Rather than accepting this as a permanent condition requiring lifelong medication, Dr. Hockings ' protocol directly addresses the root cause through precise nutritional intervention and supplementation.
The program's strength comes from its remarkable simplicity and effectiveness. Patients follow a specific food protocol focusing on fruits, vegetables, proteins, and healthy fats while eliminating problematic foods that spike blood sugar. Combined with a proprietary blend of 87 nutrients that received patent approval in 2020, this approach has helped thousands of patients completely eliminate their need for diabetes medications.
What makes this telehealth model particularly powerful is its collaborative approach with primary care physicians. While many doctors aren't trained in diabetes reversal techniques, they recognize positive changes in blood work and must reduce medications as patients' blood sugar normalizes. This creates a transformative healthcare experience where objective data drives medical decisions.
Most remarkable are the comprehensive benefits patients experience beyond blood sugar control. Weight loss of 30-40 pounds, improved energy, enhanced sexual function, and elimination of early complications like neuropathy occur regularly for those who follow the program. The Diabetes Reversal Group is so confident in their approach that they guarantee results—an extraordinary claim in healthcare.
Ready to discover if diabetes reversal is possible for you or someone you love? Free educational webinars are available at ReverseYourDiabetes.com to learn more about this groundbreaking approach that's changing what we thought possible in treating one of America's most prevalent chronic conditions.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we've got a very
special guest.
His name is Dr Jeffrey Hawkins.
He's the founder and CEO of theDiabetes Reversal Group, a
telehealth community companythat helps individuals reverse
type 2 diabetes throughpersonalized, evidence-based
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lifestyle coaching.
This guy's got over a decade ofexperience in functional
medicine.
Author of two books onmetabolic health, dr Hawkins is
a pioneer in using real-timeblood sugar data and patented
protocols to achieve sustainableremission.
Now that is powerful.
Type 2 diabetes has become aplague and a scourge here in
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America and, I suppose, lots ofother places, but here, where we
live, I see it all around.
Don't run into anybody who'slike cancer.
You don't know anybody whodoesn't have it anymore.
So welcome to the show, drHawkins, and it's a pleasure to
share this with you.
And why don't you tell us alittle bit about how you came to
this place?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, well, I've been in healthcare for 35 years now,
joe, and after our first 18years of doing wellness and
healthcare pain management mywife and I wanted to go in a
different direction.
So we sold four clinics we hadin Southern California and
decided to tackle type twodiabetes because it runs in our
family.
I had an anti-diabetic when Iwas younger my wife's dad.
He just passed away two yearsago from it.
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So it's a real personal missionfor us and since we know it's
reversible, we created our owntelemedicine program that could
really help people.
You know from A to Z exactlywhat you can eat, what you can't
eat, what supplements to take,exercise to do, provide coaching
, training, guarantee resultsall of that to make sure we get
that reversal.
So it's been pretty cool andit's been almost 16 years now
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we've been doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's fantastic.
So I think a lot of times wehave listeners from all walks of
life and you know all differentreasons that bring us here, and
a lot of times people thinkabout diabetes and they don't
really know what it is.
You know, we got type one, typetwo.
Now there's some new sort ofversion that they're talking
about and I don't know ifthey're classifying something
(02:14):
else as diabetes, but it doesn'tmatter.
Why don't you explain to uswhat type two diabetes is?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, so type two diabetes.
Another name for it is insulinresistance.
So what happens is when you eatthe wrong food, joe, for 20, 30
, 40 years, a lot of bad, a lotof the wrong carbs, a lot of
sugar, a lot of dairy products,a lot of insulin to try and
bring that blood sugar down.
And so what happens is, with atype two diabetic, the insulin
is getting so high in your bodyso constantly that now your body
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becomes resistant to your owninsulin.
So now your body's insulin isyeah.
So now your body's own insulinis not bringing the blood sugar
down like it's supposed tobecause it's resisting it.
That's, that's what keeps yourblood sugar high.
And now you become a diabetic.
So program like ours, when youchange your lifestyle the right
way, it can reverse that insulinresistance so you don't need to
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take medications any longer.
And now your own insulin startsbringing the blood sugar down
again like it's supposed to.
For a front like a non-diabetic.
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So you're?
You're basically rewinding theclock a little bit, taking your
body back to where it was before.
You had the problem correct.
Yeah, just throwing a bunchmore drugs in it to try to get
that cycle going, like a lot ofI don't know western medicine
likes to do exactly exactly.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about your program?
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You know, I know there's a lotof interest in, you know,
biohacking and anti-aging and alot of that has.
You know diet's a big part of alot of that, but there's so
many different types of diets.
You know you got the keto diet,you got the vegan diet and you
got the carnivore diet.
(04:05):
You got, I mean, all theseextremes that people are saying
well, this is the thing thatmade me healthy.
What's specific to type 2diabetes?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, so what we got patented Joe and we got that
patent approval back in 2020,was we got patented the complete
list of foods and drinks thatare allowed for a diabetic to
have.
That's the first thing, causethere's a lot of nonsense, a lot
of misinformation out there.
Like, if you want to justmanage your diabetes and keep
taking your medications forever,then you can eat a lot of these
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foods over here, but you wantto reverse it and get off the
meds you got to eat over hereand they're different.
So a lot of not amisinformation.
So that's one of the things wegot patented, and also the
ingredients and dosages of ournutritional supplements, and
there's 87 different nutrientsin the supplements our blend
that we got actually patented.
So that's our secret sauce iseat the right foods, take the
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right supplements, blood sugarstarts coming down, your doctor
is able to wean you off all yourmeds and now you're happy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So doctor is able to wean you off all your meds and
now you're happy.
So, nice, nice, and so Isuppose it.
It varies a lot from the levelof.
I mean, you know, you can bepre-diabetic, you can be a
little bit diabetic, and you canbe a lot diabetic and then you
die.
So there's this giant spectrumof diabetes that people are on,
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and then there's even just thepredisposition to it.
You know, some people thegenetics say well, you go a
little bit this way, you'regoing to get a lot of result.
Other people, you know they can, for whatever reason, they can
eat lousy and still be okay fora while.
So when you're dealing withsomebody, you know, on a
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telehealth basis.
I have mixed feelings abouttelehealth but I think overall
it's a really good thing becauseit puts people in touch with
practitioners much easier thanhaving to, you know, sit in a
waiting room somewhere.
So I'd rather have somethingthan nothing, but still the
ability to do, you know, bloodtests and the different kind of
things that would give you areally, you know, detailed
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diagnosis.
How do you mitigate or managethat?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
So when patients join ourprogram, joe, they stay under
the care of their primaryphysician.
So we're not the onesdiagnosing them, prescribing
meds, taking them off the meds.
So they're still going to getlab tests done two or three
times a year from their doctorand they send that to us.
When the blood sugar startscoming down, our coaches tell
our patients hey, joe, it's timeto call your doctor now so they
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can reduce the dose of one ofyour meds.
So that's how they do it so andthat way for our program.
We don't have to have a doctorin every city in the US
recommending our program.
Right, we can do the marketingnationally.
We sign them up online througha telemedicine platform, but
they're still under the care oftheir doctor.
So it's really nice.
And again, these doctors eventhough medical doctors aren't
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trained how to reverse diabeteswhen they see the blood sugar
start coming down, they have tostart weaning you off your meds,
otherwise you go hypoglycemic.
So our job is to give thatdoctor the objective evidence
they need to safely startgetting people off their meds,
and it's pretty cool when thathappens.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So how has been the response from the doctors, per
especially?
I mean, you know like I'mdealing with a cancer right now
and I've done some very extremeresearch and treatments and
we've had a.
You know like I'm dealing witha cancer right now and I've done
some very extreme research andtreatments and we've had an
amazing result.
And the doctors are just likewhoa, but they still don't want
to deviate from their standardof care.
So I'm having to findalternative ways around that to
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solve my problem.
But with diabetes I don't thinkit's such a rigid standard of
care as they do with cancer.
So now doctors reacting whenthey start seeing.
You know, yeah well initially.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Initially they're a little skeptical when their
patients join a program thatthey have no idea what it's
about, right, they start seeingthe results.
They're like, wow, this isreally good.
You keep this up, joe, we'regonna be able to get you off all
these meds.
Yeah, and even if a doctor isskeptical, it doesn't matter,
because we force their hand byhaving a blood sugar come down.
They have no choice but toreduce the dose of meds, just
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like if your blood pressurestarts decreasing, they get you
off your blood pressure meds,right.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, same concept, actually pretty cool, because
with cancer it's totallydifferent.
They have this thing that sayswe're going to do this and
they're not.
You know, even if they getthese crazy results, they're
still going to do it becausethat's what they're trained,
whereas this, the medication,has a direct response that you
know.
You have to keep it within alevel.
(08:36):
You just can't keep going inone direction, exactly.
Yeah, that's fantastic.
I love that.
So when patients are coming toyou, how do they find you?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, right now, several ways.
We're doing a lot of nationaladvertising right now through
Facebook, Instagram, Google, andwe advertise one of our free
webinars that we have prettymuch five, six days a week right
now.
So somebody can watch a freewebinar, learn about our program
and if they're interested, theysign up for a one-on-one
consultation with one of ourreps.
And now we're watching throughthe process.
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We customize a program for themand then they enroll and once
they're signed up, then they getaccess to our online portal
where they get all the weeklymeal plans, recipes, training,
videos.
We send them the supplementsyou know our supplements that
they need to take.
They get assigned a one-on-onehealth coach to walk them
through the whole process andhold them accountable, answer
questions.
So, yeah, it's a very, verydetailed program, but it's all
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done right now, where they enterthrough this webinar process
and watch the process.
You know, as far as the, what wedo, what we don't do, et cetera
.
Now we're also going intophysician's offices now where
they can become a distributor ofour program and enroll their
patients that way.
That's going to be somethingthat's really going to be big
for us.
And we're also going intoprivately insured corporations
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where the self-funded ones,where they're actually paying
the bill for their employees.
These employers are gettingcrushed with healthcare costs.
We're spending about $15,000per year per diabetic employee
and we have a solution for that.
So there's a lot of ways thatwe're getting the word out right
now, but those are the mainones right now.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That's beautiful.
I love the idea of preventativehealthcare.
I mean, you know everything isalways reactive.
You know you don't go to thedoctor until you got the problem
and the problem has alreadygone too far because you didn't
want to take care of it when itwas little and I was the same
with mine.
And you know by the time youhave a big problem to solve.
It gets real expensive and youknow it's much more difficult to
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solve.
So when people are coming toyou, what is the I don't know
breakdown of where people are intheir diabetes?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, most people that join our program, joe.
Unfortunately they've had itfor a while, typically five
years or more, and they join ourprogram because they're scared,
like they're already gettingsome symptoms like neuropathy in
their feet, so they don't wantthat to go to an amputation.
They're getting blurred vision,they don't want to go blind.
They've got kidney damage.
You don't want to go ondialysis or need.
That's really extreme, that'slike.
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So that's the motivating factor.
The people that don't tend tojoin, or the people in their mid
to late 40s just got diagnosedtaking one pill, no symptoms.
Yet, yeah, when I get worse,I'll give you a call right.
There's no urgency for thatperson, it's just human nature.
Like you said, a lot of peoplewait till there's a crisis
before they stop screwing aroundand obviously that when you do
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that it's you know it's a lotmore advanced, takes costs a lot
more money to fix it if it canbe fixed Right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So, so yeah, by the time somebody has gotten her up
at the, I have a good friend ofmine who passed away as a result
of, you know, diabetes and itwent from.
You know I've got this abscessthat won't heal to.
They took off a toe to, theytook off the foot and it just,
you know, he ended up passingaway and that was my first real
big wake up call.
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You know my grandma haddiabetes, but you know she was
old and it wasn't what killedher, you know it was.
It was one of the factors, butI became aware of it at that
point at least.
And but by the time somethinggets that extreme, you know it's
like cancer that's metastasized.
It's like okay, well, it'salready gone so far.
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How effective is trying toreverse it with diet and
supplements?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
at that point, yeah, again, there are limitations to
some of the things, like ifsomeone just has neuropathy in
the feet, then we can reversethat and go away, but if they've
already got gangrene in thefeet, that's too far gone.
That person might need anamputation.
But even when that happens,they can still reverse their
diabetes, got it.
Some of the damage, though,can't be reversed right.
Same with, like diabeticretinopathy in the eyes it gets
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too advanced and it goes toblindness.
That's not reversible, but ifyou catch it at the blurred
vision stage, it is reversible,right.
So that's the thing.
And with diabetes, as you know,that's why I mean, there's a
lot more people dying ofdiabetes every year than is
listed, because, to your point,some people can have diabetes
but they die of a heart attackor a stroke, right, or they die
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of cancer.
Because diabetes can causecancer, I mean, but they don't
count it as diabetes.
They say they died of cancer.
It's like a comorbidity.
So that's the interesting thing.
It's such an insidious diseasethat when you have diabetes it
affects every cell and organ inyour body and it's just it's
like a nuclear bomb going off.
So but the cool thing is it isreversible with the lifestyle
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changes.
So we just want to make sure weget people in, have it happen,
get off the meds, live your life.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So that's fantastic.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about you know the diet plan
?
I mean, I think most peoplewould say, well, you cut the
sugars out.
Obviously that's a big thing,but beyond that, you know you're
talking about.
You know carbohydrates anddairy and all this other stuff.
So, yeah, what, what is sort ofa a textbook diet?
(13:54):
That would be diabetes.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, the biggest things that people should be
eating is just fruits,vegetables, meat.
They can do eggs, nuts andseeds, beans and that's pretty
much it and then drink a lot ofwater.
Those are the main things.
Everything else you kind ofavoid.
So when people join our program, we give them what we call the
enjoy avoid list.
Right, that's what you canenjoy that you got to avoid, so
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you can still eat out ofrestaurants and have a social
life.
It's not a very restrictivediet, because here's the thing,
it's not a weight loss program,right, a program is designed to
reverse diabetes, so you're notgoing to be hungry, you're not
starving yourself, not countingcalories, as long as you eat
from the approved list.
You eat enough to staysatisfied every day, which is
key.
If you want someone doing thisevery day the rest of their life
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, you can't be starving everyday.
They're not going to last verylong, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's.
The whole problem with diets isthey're not sustainable
generally, yeah, and then whenyou cheat, you cheat hard and
everything just goes sideways.
Right, exactly, right, exactly.
So you know, with diets, a lotof times, you know, I'm on a
very rigid diet, you know,specifically tailored for cancer
, which is even more extremethan yours.
But when it comes to like youknow, you got to live too, and
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so you know, when I do a littlecheat, it's just a little teeny
little bit of something thatsays, all right, I'm going to
tell myself it's okay to havethis little bit of thing that I
shouldn't have, but I'm notgoing to eat a whole piece of it
, I'm not going to eat a wholepie, I'm not going to do the
whole thing.
Is it kind of like that, or isit?
Or is it very, you know, likeyou just don't go on that side
of the.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, so well.
Again, when they're goingthrough our program, joe, we put
people on a three month, aseven month program based on the
severity of their diabetes, andwhile they're going through
those active programs they can'tcheat.
They got to be very, verystrict because you got to
reverse this thing, get thepressure off your body, get it
all healed.
Now, once that's done, then youcan start bringing some things
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back in, you know, sporadically,and kind of see how your body
reacts, but you can never goback to eating the same way that
caused your diabetes.
Of course, right, yeah, butwhile they're going through it,
we don't let them have any kindof cheat day, because it's just,
it's going to slow down theprogress and make a three-month
plan turn into a year-long plan,which is just it makes perfect
sense.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Um, and when you mention fruit, you know there's
a lot of times people have amisconception about fruit
because fruit's got a lot ofsugar in it.
Fructose is a difficult sugarbut if you eat the whole fruit
you get all the fiber in it andit gets processed slower through
your body so you don't get thebig spike.
But people say fruit, so I'mgoing to drink a bunch of fruit
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juice.
Yeah, exactly, that's a wholedifferent thing.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, that's 100% different.
Yeah, so that's why no fruitjuice is on our planet, but you
can have the whole fruit, forreasons you just stated, and
also because if you drink aglass of orange juice, that's
like you know, basicallysqueezing five or six oranges,
but you never sit down and eatfive or six oranges.
Right, it's like drinking bloodsugar.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's like drinking blood sugar way too much.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I would say too if you're having fruit, always
have some protein with it.
So have some nuts with it, orhave some peanut butter with it
or something to balance out thesugar.
And you always say, have thatfruit before noon every day,
then you have the rest of theday to burn it off Because,
again, this is not an anti-sugarprogram, because your body
needs glucose to survive.
It's the wrong kind of sugar,which is the bad carbs and the
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dairy and the sweet soda and allthat.
That's got to go away.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And also, like you said, the time of day is
critical, Like with my diet, Ieat a ton of fruit in the
morning and then, after about 10, 11, I'm like, okay, well,
there's my energy for the dayand you know I go through the
rest of my regimen.
What about vegetables?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, most healthy diets are eat all the vegetables
you want, yeah.
So again, it's all veggies.
So again, fruits, vegetables,meat, eggs those are the main
things that are okay in ourprogram.
Um, yeah, because you want tohave a lot of protein.
That's a big thing too is highprotein diet is the best thing
you can do as well for fordiabetes less carbs, even the
good carbs, less of those, lessof anything that's going to be
fat.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You want more protein in the diet for sure Okay, and
that's very different from mycancer diet.
So it's a whole different kindof thing, which is, it's, really
interesting.
As I'm walking through this youknow healthy living program
that I'm, you know, doing withthis podcast, you find all these
different angles and sometimespeople have a combination of
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problems and then it becomeseven more difficult to navigate
when you're dealing with peoplewith diabetes, like how often I
mean you're dealing with mostlysevere cases.
The way I understand it, I amhoping that soon you'll get less
severe cases and evenpre-diabetics coming to you to
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do that.
Now, generally speaking, howdoes somebody discover that
they're diabetic?
Like you know, most people arenot living you know the health
care life and you know going toa doctor every six months just
for a checkup.
Most people in working classare you don't go to a doctor
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unless you're sick, and so youknow how, besides education,
which is, you know, scarce forsomebody who's just living a
regular life and working a joband dealing with daily stresses,
how does somebody become awarethat they might even be in
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danger of being diabetic?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, well, that's the dangerous thing, right?
Because a lot of people don'tgo to their doctor once a year
for a checkup, and so somepeople can have diabetes for two
or three years and not evenknow it.
It takes a while having itbefore it gets to the point
where you start feeling somesymptoms, like some numbness in
the feet or et cetera.
We're not like, holy crap, Ibetter go to my doctor.
They run some lab tests.
Oh my gosh, your A1C is like 10, your blood sugar is 200.
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And he probably had this fortwo years, but they didn't know.
So that's the scary thing.
So there's really nothing youcan do except, you know, hope
that that person is going to goand so that they see it and
catch it earlier.
You know, before they waituntil now, they're getting
symptoms and they go and findout.
It's been something festeringfor years.
So, yes, anyone listening whodoesn't go, at least go once a
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year to your doctor, blood workdone, especially once you get
into your forties.
A hundred percent health issue.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, when covid comes around, they've got all
these psas about do this, don'tdo that, um, even aids, stds,
all different types of you knowendemic, pandemic sorts of
issues that you know we'redealing with.
There's all kinds of uh, healthproblems that are really
plaguing americans and they'llput messaging out for that.
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I see a little bit of diabeticmessaging.
But how do you feel about, youknow, raising that awareness?
It seems like this is really abig deal the more I become aware
as I get older too.
You know I'm going to be 60next year, so you run into a lot
more people that have a lot ofthese sorts of problems as you
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get up in the age bracket alittle bit, but you know you're
down below 40 when you reallyneed to make those changes.
What do you see, as you know,bringing this awareness to
people?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, yeah, we have to.
That's why we're trying to dothis, joe, now by getting into
thousands of physicians offices,because they're the ones that
see all the diabetics, butthey're not trained in med
school that you can reversediabetes.
So that's what's really causingthis whole thing is that when
someone gets diagnosed, theirdoctor does what they're trained
to do is they put them onmedications to manage it and
that's it.
So that's why the most commonthing we get question we get
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from patients when they join ourprogram is like how come my
doctor never told me about this?
And I'm like it's not thedoctor's fault, they literally
don't know, right.
So that's where we're kind ofstarting that process, joe, of
educating these physicians.
Like this is reversible.
I know you don't know it, but itis getting into dental offices,
chiropractor offices,optometrists, podiatrists, med
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spas, audiology centers meanpharmacists.
So we're really working rightnow to go national again and get
our distributorship model intothousands and thousands of
offices, which will then helpincrease that awareness.
Now we're also trying to goaround and get a meeting with
rfk jr.
He's the one that's in controlof what's covered by medicare,
medicaid and the va.
All right, we become a coveredservice for those, those, those,
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all of a sudden boom.
Now we really make a reallygood impact on that way, so
we're doing as much as we canright now to get that awareness
up.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, it seems like this guy might be receptive to
this type of a treatment morethan the other guys.
I don't necessarily agree witha lot of things he says, but it
doesn't mean that he doesn'thave some good ideas as well.
That's probably part of theproblem.
People are so polarized.
I think it's either this orthat, but most of the time
there's this and that.
(22:53):
You've started in Californiaand you've been reaching out
nationwide.
Is there an area that you'rereally thriving in at this time?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, I mean diabetes is agnostic.
Right, it affects everybody,you know, low income, high
income, middle income, so thatreally doesn't discriminate.
Now you might see, like someSouthern states like Louisiana
and Mississippi, where you knowthe obesity is higher, where
there's a higher incidence ofdiabetes there, but not
significantly enough to where wewant to just target certain
areas.
That's that's why all of ourmarketing and outreach is like
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all 50 states.
Now we're going to be expandinginto India in a couple of
months too and then goinginternational.
So, yeah, it's a very excitingtime for us right now.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Are there any areas where you're getting more
traction than others right now?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, it's pretty much all across the USS, like when
you see patients signing up.
Because we're telemedicine,we'll have somebody from Atlanta
, someone from California,someone from Texas.
I mean it's all over.
So, yeah, it's pretty neat tosee.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
That's fantastic.
Well, that means it seems likeit's taken off, it seems like
you're in the right place at theright time.
That's fantastic, absolutely.
I like to.
Generally, before we close out,I like to hear at least one or
two real success stories.
Is there some stories thatstand out as to?
You know somebody that's coming?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah we have them every day coming in, joe, and
it's just typical where someonecomes in they're taking like
five or six medications.
They're about 50, 60 poundsoverweight.
A1c is up in the 9, 10 range.
Right, thinking they have nohope.
Five months later, theirdoctor's taking them off all
their medications.
They've lost 30, 40 pounds.
Sex drive has improved,energy's improved, I mean.
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So it's just every single timeit's something similar to that.
They're very similar stories.
Our website we've got thousandsof testimonials that we've had
from patients that aresuccessful.
So it's really just a matter ofsomebody wanting to do a bad
enough and you know we have thesolution.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
So Well, that is fantastic.
Very seldom do I hear a programthat's this solid and it
doesn't seem like it's got.
You know, a lot of programsrequire certain elements to
exist for them to be assuccessful as they can be.
This one seems like it's justpretty straightforward and
bulletproof.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and I mean we got patent approval too.
Like we have the only patentedsystem in the world that
reverses type two diabetes andthat took three and a half years
to get.
That approval Wasn't easy.
Right Now we have it becausewe're able to demonstrate to the
patent office that we do whatwe say we do and unique in the
marketplace, and we alsoguarantee results with our
patients too.
So nobody else does that.
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So someone has nothing to loseby trying our program, which is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I love it.
So it seems like the only wayit doesn't going to work is if
somebody doesn't isn't honestwith you, Exactly If they don't
do it.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't control that anyway,so that's fantastic.
Yeah, well, this is a placewhere I'd like to give you a
chance to send out a partingshot and let us know how we can
reach you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, so the easiest way, joe, someone's interested
is we have webinars, as I said,free webinars all week long and
they can just go toreverseyourdiabetescom Real
simple reverseyourdiabetescom.
They can register for one ofour free webinars and see if
it's something that they want todo.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Fantastic.
Well, I appreciate you joiningus today and, as always, I
extend an offer If anythingchanges, you got more that you
want to share love to have youback.
Perfect, and this has beenanother episode of the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine.
I thank all of our listenersfor supporting the show and we
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will see you next time.
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we've got a very
special guest.
His name is Dr Jeffrey Hawkins.
He's the founder and CEO of theDiabetes Reversal Group, a
telehealth community companythat helps individuals reverse
type 2 diabetes throughpersonalized, evidence-based
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lifestyle coaching.
This guy's got over a decade ofexperience in functional
medicine.
Author of two books onmetabolic health, dr Hawkins is
a pioneer in using real-timeblood sugar data and patented
protocols to achieve sustainableremission.
Now that is powerful.
Type 2 diabetes has become aplague and a scourge here in
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America and, I suppose, lots ofother places, but here, where we
live, I see it all around.
Don't run into anybody who'slike cancer.
You don't know anybody whodoesn't have it anymore.
So welcome to the show, drHawkins, and it's a pleasure to
share this with you.
And why don't you tell us alittle bit about how you came to
this place?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, well, I've been in healthcare for 35 years now,
joe, and after our first 18years of doing wellness and
healthcare pain management mywife and I wanted to go in a
different direction.
So we sold four clinics we hadin Southern California and
decided to tackle type twodiabetes because it runs in our
family.
I had an anti-diabetic when Iwas younger my wife's dad.
He just passed away two yearsago from it.
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So it's a real personal missionfor us and since we know it's
reversible, we created our owntelemedicine program that could
really help people.
You know from A to Z exactlywhat you can eat, what you can't
eat, what supplements to take,exercise to do, provide coaching
, training, guarantee resultsall of that to make sure we get
that reversal.
So it's been pretty cool andit's been almost 16 years now
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we've been doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's fantastic.
So I think a lot of times wehave listeners from all walks of
life and you know all differentreasons that bring us here, and
a lot of times people thinkabout diabetes and they don't
really know what it is.
You know, we got type one, typetwo.
Now there's some new sort ofversion that they're talking
about and I don't know ifthey're classifying something
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else as diabetes, but it doesn'tmatter.
Why don't you explain to uswhat type two diabetes is?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, so type two diabetes.
Another name for it is insulinresistance.
So what happens is when you eatthe wrong food, joe, for 20, 30
, 40 years, a lot of bad, a lotof the wrong carbs, a lot of
sugar, a lot of dairy products,a lot of insulin to try and
bring that blood sugar down.
And so what happens is, with atype two diabetic, the insulin
is getting so high in your bodyso constantly that now your body
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becomes resistant to your owninsulin.
So now your body's insulin isyeah.
So now your body's own insulinis not bringing the blood sugar
down like it's supposed tobecause it's resisting it.
That's, that's what keeps yourblood sugar high.
And now you become a diabetic.
So program like ours, when youchange your lifestyle the right
way, it can reverse that insulinresistance so you don't need to
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take medications any longer.
And now your own insulin startsbringing the blood sugar down
again like it's supposed to.
For a front like a non-diabetic.
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So you're?
You're basically rewinding theclock a little bit, taking your
body back to where it was before.
You had the problem correct.
Yeah, just throwing a bunchmore drugs in it to try to get
that cycle going, like a lot ofI don't know western medicine
likes to do exactly exactly.
So why don't you tell us alittle bit about your program?
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You know, I know there's a lotof interest in, you know,
biohacking and anti-aging and alot of that has.
You know diet's a big part of alot of that, but there's so
many different types of diets.
You know you got the keto diet,you got the vegan diet and you
got the carnivore diet.
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You got, I mean, all theseextremes that people are saying
well, this is the thing thatmade me healthy.
What's specific to type 2diabetes?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, so what we got patented Joe and we got that
patent approval back in 2020,was we got patented the complete
list of foods and drinks thatare allowed for a diabetic to
have.
That's the first thing, causethere's a lot of nonsense, a lot
of misinformation out there.
Like, if you want to justmanage your diabetes and keep
taking your medications forever,then you can eat a lot of these
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foods over here, but you wantto reverse it and get off the
meds you got to eat over hereand they're different.
So a lot of not amisinformation.
So that's one of the things wegot patented, and also the
ingredients and dosages of ournutritional supplements, and
there's 87 different nutrientsin the supplements our blend
that we got actually patented.
So that's our secret sauce iseat the right foods, take the
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right supplements, blood sugarstarts coming down, your doctor
is able to wean you off all yourmeds and now you're happy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So doctor is able to wean you off all your meds and
now you're happy.
So, nice, nice, and so Isuppose it.
It varies a lot from the levelof.
I mean, you know, you can bepre-diabetic, you can be a
little bit diabetic, and you canbe a lot diabetic and then you
die.
So there's this giant spectrumof diabetes that people are on,
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and then there's even just thepredisposition to it.
You know, some people thegenetics say well, you go a
little bit this way, you'regoing to get a lot of result.
Other people, you know they can, for whatever reason, they can
eat lousy and still be okay fora while.
So when you're dealing withsomebody, you know, on a
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telehealth basis.
I have mixed feelings abouttelehealth but I think overall
it's a really good thing becauseit puts people in touch with
practitioners much easier thanhaving to, you know, sit in a
waiting room somewhere.
So I'd rather have somethingthan nothing, but still the
ability to do, you know, bloodtests and the different kind of
things that would give you areally, you know, detailed
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diagnosis.
How do you mitigate or managethat?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
So when patients join ourprogram, joe, they stay under
the care of their primaryphysician.
So we're not the onesdiagnosing them, prescribing
meds, taking them off the meds.
So they're still going to getlab tests done two or three
times a year from their doctorand they send that to us.
When the blood sugar startscoming down, our coaches tell
our patients hey, joe, it's timeto call your doctor now so they
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can reduce the dose of one ofyour meds.
So that's how they do it so andthat way for our program.
We don't have to have a doctorin every city in the US
recommending our program.
Right, we can do the marketingnationally.
We sign them up online througha telemedicine platform, but
they're still under the care oftheir doctor.
So it's really nice.
And again, these doctors eventhough medical doctors aren't
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trained how to reverse diabeteswhen they see the blood sugar
start coming down, they have tostart weaning you off your meds,
otherwise you go hypoglycemic.
So our job is to give thatdoctor the objective evidence
they need to safely startgetting people off their meds,
and it's pretty cool when thathappens.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So how has been the response from the doctors, per
especially?
I mean, you know like I'mdealing with a cancer right now
and I've done some very extremeresearch and treatments and
we've had a.
You know like I'm dealing witha cancer right now and I've done
some very extreme research andtreatments and we've had an
amazing result.
And the doctors are just likewhoa, but they still don't want
to deviate from their standardof care.
So I'm having to findalternative ways around that to
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solve my problem.
But with diabetes I don't thinkit's such a rigid standard of
care as they do with cancer.
So now doctors reacting whenthey start seeing.
You know, yeah well initially.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Initially they're a little skeptical when their
patients join a program thatthey have no idea what it's
about, right, they start seeingthe results.
They're like, wow, this isreally good.
You keep this up, joe, we'regonna be able to get you off all
these meds.
Yeah, and even if a doctor isskeptical, it doesn't matter,
because we force their hand byhaving a blood sugar come down.
They have no choice but toreduce the dose of meds, just
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like if your blood pressurestarts decreasing, they get you
off your blood pressure meds,right.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right, same concept, actually pretty cool, because
with cancer it's totallydifferent.
They have this thing that sayswe're going to do this and
they're not.
You know, even if they getthese crazy results, they're
still going to do it becausethat's what they're trained,
whereas this, the medication,has a direct response that you
know.
You have to keep it within alevel.
(08:36):
You just can't keep going inone direction, exactly.
Yeah, that's fantastic.
I love that.
So when patients are coming toyou, how do they find you?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, right now, several ways.
We're doing a lot of nationaladvertising right now through
Facebook, Instagram, Google, andwe advertise one of our free
webinars that we have prettymuch five, six days a week right
now.
So somebody can watch a freewebinar, learn about our program
and if they're interested, theysign up for a one-on-one
consultation with one of ourreps.
And now we're watching throughthe process.
(09:08):
We customize a program for themand then they enroll and once
they're signed up, then they getaccess to our online portal
where they get all the weeklymeal plans, recipes, training,
videos.
We send them the supplementsyou know our supplements that
they need to take.
They get assigned a one-on-onehealth coach to walk them
through the whole process andhold them accountable, answer
questions.
So, yeah, it's a very, verydetailed program, but it's all
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done right now, where they enterthrough this webinar process
and watch the process.
You know, as far as the, what wedo, what we don't do, et cetera
.
Now we're also going intophysician's offices now where
they can become a distributor ofour program and enroll their
patients that way.
That's going to be somethingthat's really going to be big
for us.
And we're also going intoprivately insured corporations
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where the self-funded ones,where they're actually paying
the bill for their employees.
These employers are gettingcrushed with healthcare costs.
We're spending about $15,000per year per diabetic employee
and we have a solution for that.
So there's a lot of ways thatwe're getting the word out right
now, but those are the mainones right now.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
That's beautiful.
I love the idea of preventativehealthcare.
I mean, you know everything isalways reactive.
You know you don't go to thedoctor until you got the problem
and the problem has alreadygone too far because you didn't
want to take care of it when itwas little and I was the same
with mine.
And you know by the time youhave a big problem to solve.
It gets real expensive and youknow it's much more difficult to
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solve.
So when people are coming toyou, what is the I don't know
breakdown of where people are intheir diabetes?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, most people that join our program, joe.
Unfortunately they've had itfor a while, typically five
years or more, and they join ourprogram because they're scared,
like they're already gettingsome symptoms like neuropathy in
their feet, so they don't wantthat to go to an amputation.
They're getting blurred vision,they don't want to go blind.
They've got kidney damage.
You don't want to go ondialysis or need.
That's really extreme, that'slike.
(11:07):
So that's the motivating factor.
The people that don't tend tojoin, or the people in their mid
to late 40s just got diagnosedtaking one pill, no symptoms.
Yet, yeah, when I get worse,I'll give you a call right.
There's no urgency for thatperson, it's just human nature.
Like you said, a lot of peoplewait till there's a crisis
before they stop screwing aroundand obviously that when you do
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that it's you know it's a lotmore advanced, takes costs a lot
more money to fix it if it canbe fixed Right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So, so yeah, by the time somebody has gotten her up
at the, I have a good friend ofmine who passed away as a result
of, you know, diabetes and itwent from.
You know I've got this abscessthat won't heal to.
They took off a toe to, theytook off the foot and it just,
you know, he ended up passingaway and that was my first real
big wake up call.
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You know my grandma haddiabetes, but you know she was
old and it wasn't what killedher, you know it was.
It was one of the factors, butI became aware of it at that
point at least.
And but by the time somethinggets that extreme, you know it's
like cancer that's metastasized.
It's like okay, well, it'salready gone so far.
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How effective is trying toreverse it with diet and
supplements?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
at that point, yeah, again, there are limitations to
some of the things, like ifsomeone just has neuropathy in
the feet, then we can reversethat and go away, but if they've
already got gangrene in thefeet, that's too far gone.
That person might need anamputation.
But even when that happens,they can still reverse their
diabetes, got it.
Some of the damage, though,can't be reversed right.
Same with, like diabeticretinopathy in the eyes it gets
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too advanced and it goes toblindness.
That's not reversible, but ifyou catch it at the blurred
vision stage, it is reversible,right.
So that's the thing.
And with diabetes, as you know,that's why I mean, there's a
lot more people dying ofdiabetes every year than is
listed, because, to your point,some people can have diabetes
but they die of a heart attackor a stroke, right, or they die
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of cancer.
Because diabetes can causecancer, I mean, but they don't
count it as diabetes.
They say they died of cancer.
It's like a comorbidity.
So that's the interesting thing.
It's such an insidious diseasethat when you have diabetes it
affects every cell and organ inyour body and it's just it's
like a nuclear bomb going off.
So but the cool thing is it isreversible with the lifestyle
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changes.
So we just want to make sure weget people in, have it happen,
get off the meds, live your life.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So that's fantastic.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about you know the diet plan
?
I mean, I think most peoplewould say, well, you cut the
sugars out.
Obviously that's a big thing,but beyond that, you know you're
talking about.
You know carbohydrates anddairy and all this other stuff.
So, yeah, what, what is sort ofa a textbook diet?
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That would be diabetes.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, the biggest things that people should be
eating is just fruits,vegetables, meat.
They can do eggs, nuts andseeds, beans and that's pretty
much it and then drink a lot ofwater.
Those are the main things.
Everything else you kind ofavoid.
So when people join our program, we give them what we call the
enjoy avoid list.
Right, that's what you canenjoy that you got to avoid, so
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you can still eat out ofrestaurants and have a social
life.
It's not a very restrictivediet, because here's the thing,
it's not a weight loss program,right, a program is designed to
reverse diabetes, so you're notgoing to be hungry, you're not
starving yourself, not countingcalories, as long as you eat
from the approved list.
You eat enough to staysatisfied every day, which is
key.
If you want someone doing thisevery day the rest of their life
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, you can't be starving everyday.
They're not going to last verylong, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's.
The whole problem with diets isthey're not sustainable
generally, yeah, and then whenyou cheat, you cheat hard and
everything just goes sideways.
Right, exactly, right, exactly.
So you know, with diets, a lotof times, you know, I'm on a
very rigid diet, you know,specifically tailored for cancer
, which is even more extremethan yours.
But when it comes to like youknow, you got to live too, and
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so you know, when I do a littlecheat, it's just a little teeny
little bit of something thatsays, all right, I'm going to
tell myself it's okay to havethis little bit of thing that I
shouldn't have, but I'm notgoing to eat a whole piece of it
, I'm not going to eat a wholepie, I'm not going to do the
whole thing.
Is it kind of like that, or isit?
Or is it very, you know, likeyou just don't go on that side
of the.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, so well.
Again, when they're goingthrough our program, joe, we put
people on a three month, aseven month program based on the
severity of their diabetes, andwhile they're going through
those active programs they can'tcheat.
They got to be very, verystrict because you got to
reverse this thing, get thepressure off your body, get it
all healed.
Now, once that's done, then youcan start bringing some things
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back in, you know, sporadically,and kind of see how your body
reacts, but you can never goback to eating the same way that
caused your diabetes.
Of course, right, yeah, butwhile they're going through it,
we don't let them have any kindof cheat day, because it's just,
it's going to slow down theprogress and make a three-month
plan turn into a year-long plan,which is just it makes perfect
sense.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Um, and when you mention fruit, you know there's
a lot of times people have amisconception about fruit
because fruit's got a lot ofsugar in it.
Fructose is a difficult sugarbut if you eat the whole fruit
you get all the fiber in it andit gets processed slower through
your body so you don't get thebig spike.
But people say fruit, so I'mgoing to drink a bunch of fruit
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juice.
Yeah, exactly, that's a wholedifferent thing.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right, that's 100% different.
Yeah, so that's why no fruitjuice is on our planet, but you
can have the whole fruit, forreasons you just stated, and
also because if you drink aglass of orange juice, that's
like you know, basicallysqueezing five or six oranges,
but you never sit down and eatfive or six oranges.
Right, it's like drinking bloodsugar.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's like drinking blood sugar way too much.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I would say too if you're having fruit, always
have some protein with it.
So have some nuts with it, orhave some peanut butter with it
or something to balance out thesugar.
And you always say, have thatfruit before noon every day,
then you have the rest of theday to burn it off Because,
again, this is not an anti-sugarprogram, because your body
needs glucose to survive.
It's the wrong kind of sugar,which is the bad carbs and the
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dairy and the sweet soda and allthat.
That's got to go away.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And also, like you said, the time of day is
critical, Like with my diet, Ieat a ton of fruit in the
morning and then, after about 10, 11, I'm like, okay, well,
there's my energy for the dayand you know I go through the
rest of my regimen.
What about vegetables?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, most healthy diets are eat all the vegetables
you want, yeah.
So again, it's all veggies.
So again, fruits, vegetables,meat, eggs those are the main
things that are okay in ourprogram.
Um, yeah, because you want tohave a lot of protein.
That's a big thing too is highprotein diet is the best thing
you can do as well for fordiabetes less carbs, even the
good carbs, less of those, lessof anything that's going to be
fat.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You want more protein in the diet for sure Okay, and
that's very different from mycancer diet.
So it's a whole different kindof thing, which is, it's, really
interesting.
As I'm walking through this youknow healthy living program
that I'm, you know, doing withthis podcast, you find all these
different angles and sometimespeople have a combination of
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problems and then it becomeseven more difficult to navigate
when you're dealing with peoplewith diabetes, like how often I
mean you're dealing with mostlysevere cases.
The way I understand it, I amhoping that soon you'll get less
severe cases and evenpre-diabetics coming to you to
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do that.
Now, generally speaking, howdoes somebody discover that
they're diabetic?
Like you know, most people arenot living you know the health
care life and you know going toa doctor every six months just
for a checkup.
Most people in working classare you don't go to a doctor
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unless you're sick, and so youknow how, besides education,
which is, you know, scarce forsomebody who's just living a
regular life and working a joband dealing with daily stresses,
how does somebody become awarethat they might even be in
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danger of being diabetic?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, well, that's the dangerous thing, right?
Because a lot of people don'tgo to their doctor once a year
for a checkup, and so somepeople can have diabetes for two
or three years and not evenknow it.
It takes a while having itbefore it gets to the point
where you start feeling somesymptoms, like some numbness in
the feet or et cetera.
We're not like, holy crap, Ibetter go to my doctor.
They run some lab tests.
Oh my gosh, your A1C is like 10, your blood sugar is 200.
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And he probably had this fortwo years, but they didn't know.
So that's the scary thing.
So there's really nothing youcan do except, you know, hope
that that person is going to goand so that they see it and
catch it earlier.
You know, before they waituntil now, they're getting
symptoms and they go and findout.
It's been something festeringfor years.
So, yes, anyone listening whodoesn't go, at least go once a
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year to your doctor, blood workdone, especially once you get
into your forties.
A hundred percent health issue.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, when covid comes around, they've got all
these psas about do this, don'tdo that, um, even aids, stds,
all different types of you knowendemic, pandemic sorts of
issues that you know we'redealing with.
There's all kinds of uh, healthproblems that are really
plaguing americans and they'llput messaging out for that.
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I see a little bit of diabeticmessaging.
But how do you feel about, youknow, raising that awareness?
It seems like this is really abig deal the more I become aware
as I get older too.
You know I'm going to be 60next year, so you run into a lot
more people that have a lot ofthese sorts of problems as you
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get up in the age bracket alittle bit, but you know you're
down below 40 when you reallyneed to make those changes.
What do you see, as you know,bringing this awareness to
people?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, yeah, we have to.
That's why we're trying to dothis, joe, now by getting into
thousands of physicians offices,because they're the ones that
see all the diabetics, butthey're not trained in med
school that you can reversediabetes.
So that's what's really causingthis whole thing is that when
someone gets diagnosed, theirdoctor does what they're trained
to do is they put them onmedications to manage it and
that's it.
So that's why the most commonthing we get question we get
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from patients when they join ourprogram is like how come my
doctor never told me about this?
And I'm like it's not thedoctor's fault, they literally
don't know, right.
So that's where we're kind ofstarting that process, joe, of
educating these physicians.
Like this is reversible.
I know you don't know it, but itis getting into dental offices,
chiropractor offices,optometrists, podiatrists, med
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spas, audiology centers meanpharmacists.
So we're really working rightnow to go national again and get
our distributorship model intothousands and thousands of
offices, which will then helpincrease that awareness.
Now we're also trying to goaround and get a meeting with
rfk jr.
He's the one that's in controlof what's covered by medicare,
medicaid and the va.
All right, we become a coveredservice for those, those, those,
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all of a sudden boom.
Now we really make a reallygood impact on that way, so
we're doing as much as we canright now to get that awareness
up.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, it seems like this guy might be receptive to
this type of a treatment morethan the other guys.
I don't necessarily agree witha lot of things he says, but it
doesn't mean that he doesn'thave some good ideas as well.
That's probably part of theproblem.
People are so polarized.
I think it's either this orthat, but most of the time
there's this and that.
(22:53):
You've started in Californiaand you've been reaching out
nationwide.
Is there an area that you'rereally thriving in at this time?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, I mean diabetes is agnostic.
Right, it affects everybody,you know, low income, high
income, middle income, so thatreally doesn't discriminate.
Now you might see, like someSouthern states like Louisiana
and Mississippi, where you knowthe obesity is higher, where
there's a higher incidence ofdiabetes there, but not
significantly enough to where wewant to just target certain
areas.
That's that's why all of ourmarketing and outreach is like
(23:27):
all 50 states.
Now we're going to be expandinginto India in a couple of
months too and then goinginternational.
So, yeah, it's a very excitingtime for us right now.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Are there any areas where you're getting more
traction than others right now?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, it's pretty much all across the USS, like when
you see patients signing up.
Because we're telemedicine,we'll have somebody from Atlanta
, someone from California,someone from Texas.
I mean it's all over.
So, yeah, it's pretty neat tosee.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
That's fantastic.
Well, that means it seems likeit's taken off, it seems like
you're in the right place at theright time.
That's fantastic, absolutely.
I like to.
Generally, before we close out,I like to hear at least one or
two real success stories.
Is there some stories thatstand out as to?
You know somebody that's coming?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah we have them every day coming in, joe, and
it's just typical where someonecomes in they're taking like
five or six medications.
They're about 50, 60 poundsoverweight.
A1c is up in the 9, 10 range.
Right, thinking they have nohope.
Five months later, theirdoctor's taking them off all
their medications.
They've lost 30, 40 pounds.
Sex drive has improved,energy's improved, I mean.
(24:34):
So it's just every single timeit's something similar to that.
They're very similar stories.
Our website we've got thousandsof testimonials that we've had
from patients that aresuccessful.
So it's really just a matter ofsomebody wanting to do a bad
enough and you know we have thesolution.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
So Well, that is fantastic.
Very seldom do I hear a programthat's this solid and it
doesn't seem like it's got.
You know, a lot of programsrequire certain elements to
exist for them to be assuccessful as they can be.
This one seems like it's justpretty straightforward and
bulletproof.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and I mean we got patent approval too.
Like we have the only patentedsystem in the world that
reverses type two diabetes andthat took three and a half years
to get.
That approval Wasn't easy.
Right Now we have it becausewe're able to demonstrate to the
patent office that we do whatwe say we do and unique in the
marketplace, and we alsoguarantee results with our
patients too.
So nobody else does that.
(25:27):
So someone has nothing to loseby trying our program, which is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I love it.
So it seems like the only wayit doesn't going to work is if
somebody doesn't isn't honestwith you, Exactly If they don't
do it.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't control that anyway,so that's fantastic.
Yeah, well, this is a placewhere I'd like to give you a
chance to send out a partingshot and let us know how we can
reach you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, so the easiest way, joe, someone's interested
is we have webinars, as I said,free webinars all week long and
they can just go toreverseyourdiabetescom Real
simple reverseyourdiabetescom.
They can register for one ofour free webinars and see if
it's something that they want todo.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Fantastic.
Well, I appreciate you joiningus today and, as always, I
extend an offer If anythingchanges, you got more that you
want to share love to have youback.
Perfect, and this has beenanother episode of the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine.
I thank all of our listenersfor supporting the show and we
(26:26):
will see you next time.
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