September 17, 2025 • 33 mins
What happens when spiritual revelation meets physical transformation? In this profound conversation with Bishop Kevin Foreman, we journey beyond traditional health approaches to discover the powerful interconnection between spirit, soul, and body.
Bishop Foreman shares his remarkable story of losing 120 pounds naturally after years of failed diet attempts. The turning point? A divine download that came after prayer, changing not just his approach to food but his entire perspective on health. "Information becomes revelation when you learn how it applies to your situation," he explains, revealing how spiritual insight became the catalyst for lasting physical change.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Bishop Foreman describes how his physical transformation unexpectedly triggered emotional healing. As the weight dropped away, he found himself confronting buried bitterness from past experiences, discovering he had been an emotional eater compensating for childhood struggles. This powerful revelation illustrates how our bodies often carry the weight of our emotional wounds.
Throughout the episode, we explore how focus determines health outcomes, why challenges should be viewed as preparation rather than punishment, and how embracing the cyclical nature of growth—understanding that valleys always lead to mountaintops—can transform our healing journey. Bishop Foreman's butterfly metaphor brilliantly illustrates how the difficult chrysalis stage is essential for emerging stronger.
Whether you're struggling with physical health challenges, emotional healing, or seeking spiritual growth, this conversation offers profound wisdom for approaching wellness holistically. Connect with Bishop Foreman on all social media @BishopForeman or visit bishopforeman.com for more resources and inspiration.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
He goes by the name KevinBishop Foreman, and this is a
guy, once again, that has somany credentials.
I'm just going to kind ofbriefly walk through a little
bit of it.
And he's a Renaissance man whodevoted his life to changing
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lives.
He was born in Denver, Colorado, and reared an orange mound, an
area of Memphis, tennessee,riddled with the plight often
accompanies the inner city.
From humble beginnings, throughGod's amazing grace, he's
defied statistics andtranscended superficial
boundaries.
Today is an influential pastor,a successful church planner,
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bishop, success coach, in-demandspeaker, author, philanthropist
and so many other things.
So, without chattering on aboutall the wonderful things you
did, let's just get to meet you.
Welcome, bishop.
Yes, sir, and how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
today.
Listen, I'm so glad to be here.
I'm doing amazing, Glad to bewith you and excited to be with
your audience today to reallytalk about something that I
think is so important for us allhealthy living.
So I'm doing well and you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I am doing fantastic.
You know every day that I wakeup above ground and breathing, I
thank God and I realize I gotanother chance to make a
difference in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, you know, what I say every morning is I say you
know, we hit the jackpotbecause, regardless of what
challenges we're facing, we hitthe jackpot that we get another
opportunity to be better todaythan we were yesterday.
So I look at every day as likewinning the lotto yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, and you know the human experience.
One of the things that I havebeen, you know, given to me as a
message is that you know, everyday we have a choice of where
we want to go and what we wantto do.
We can start all over at anygiven moment and I don't know.
You know that's what abeautiful opportunity, a
beautiful gift, gift, and youknow we talk a lot about.
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You know the physical elementsof health and the mental
elements of health, but thespiritual elements of health I
get into quite a bit myself, butit's really great to have
somebody, I believe, that's gota focus on that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you know, for me it's all I don't think there,
I don't think you can separatethe two.
You know, for me it's all Idon't think you can separate the
two.
You know I look at part of myhealth journey, you know, I
really had, because of thenature of my life, which really
from age 12, I started my firstbusiness when I was 12.
I got into ministry throughmusic when I was 12.
And so I just, you know, from12, I just had, and really
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beyond before that, I just hadone button which was on.
There was no off switch andthere was rarely a slow down
switch.
You know, like slowing down wasjust, you know, working to
whatever the obstacle was, andso as a result of that, you know
, sometimes you can develophabits that aren't great, and so
you can eat late, you can eatthe wrong things.
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You know all of that.
And so you know, being born inDenver, which is a relatively
healthy area relatively speaking, and in Memphis, in the South,
you know, in the South,everything is around food,
everything is around good eating, biscuits and all the rest of
it and listen, I love it and allthat good stuff Fried.
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You know all of that and so youknow that was a lot of what was
.
You know all of that and uh,and so you know that was a lot
of what was.
Uh, you know how I viewedthings and I didn't.
So many things came as arevelation in 2013.
I had actually prayed forstrategy because I'd gotten to a
weight um, that was, I was like250, 260 and uh, I got into a
weight to where I said, you know, I'm five nine and uh, I well,
you know, I looked like a middlelinebacker, you know, for the
Broncos or something.
So I carried it well, but Ijust said, you know what, I
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would preach the two Sundayservices and then I would sleep
for hours after church and Isaid I don't want this to be my
life where I can't enjoy it.
And then, you know, I looked atthat so, and then you know, I
looked at that.
So I tried everything Slim,slow, slim fast.
Protein power, all the carbsyou want no carbs, protein
Atkins, everybody.
I tried everything.
Nothing ever really wassuccessful for me.
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So I actually here's thespiritual component I prayed, I
said I need a strategy, becauseall of these other strategies,
nothing is working.
So, if nothing else is working,I need something divine, and I
think what you mentioned is soimportant working.
I need something divine and Ithink what you mentioned is so
important.
When you talk about healthyliving, sometimes you you'll try
a bunch of things to discoverthat maybe there's no template
or pattern for you.
You need a divine download.
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Yeah, I prayed for one and wewere at the end of a 21 day uh,
what we call daniel fast, sobasically fruits and vegetables
and uh, at the end of it, thatwas the day I prayed.
I said I need a strategy.
You, as I laid out on my couch,tired from the two Sunday
services, having just eaten thisbig fried platter of fish and
everything else.
I need a strategy.
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I flip it on Netflix.
A documentary is on there.
I can't even tell you the nameof it because I haven't been
able to find it since then.
Literally, I tried to find it aweek afterward and it was not
there Again.
I think it goes back to divinestrategy.
I've literally not been able tofind it.
People say is it this?
Is it this?
I've watched all of them thatare still on there and none of
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them are the one that I saw.
But it gave me some informationand I decided to act on it.
So here's the soul componentmind, thoughts, will, emotions.
I said you know what?
You've got to do somethingdifferent.
And I saw, now that I've gotinformation, I need to make
changes.
So, cold turkey I cut out fastfood.
I did stop eating at six before.
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Intermittent fasting was athing I was just like okay, it
makes sense that it's probablystopped eating at six if I'm
going to sleep at, you know, 10,11, 12, whatever it makes sense
Changed everything about mydiet immediately.
Cold turkey Started that Monday.
It was a divine download andthe documentary didn't actually
tell me what to do.
It just told me that what I wasdoing wasn't good for my body.
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You know, I would get a numberone at a restaurant.
You know a fast food joint, thenumber one supersized with a
Coke Zero.
Right exactly Thinking I wasdoing something, and then, once
I got that information, itchanged.
And so I believe this thatinformation, it becomes
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revelation when you learn how itapplies to your situation.
I love it.
Information by itself, it'sjust the data, but when I
learned how that data applies tome, that's revelation.
Like that reveals something,that opens up something.
So at that moment I did it, andso here's what happened as a
matter of fact, I did a wholewebinar.
As a matter of fact, we did awhole masterclass to teach
people because it inspired thismovement we called Fit Harvest,
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where people saw me lose theweight right in front of them.
They saw me get healthy rightin front of them, and so we had
individuals who lost 100 pounds,150 pounds, only 200 pounds,
Through about three months afterdoing that and again just made
the change Three months afterdoing that.
We had been pretty casual.
It was going into the summerbeing pretty casual, and so I
didn't really pay attention towhy my clothes fit that type of
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thing.
Long story short, I had tospeak at a leadership event up
in Vail there in Colorado.
I know the leadership eventneeded to put on a suit.
I went and put on my suit.
When I put on my suit, thepants were hanging off.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I said this is my suit.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Put on the jacket.
The jacket's hanging off.
I said this is not my jacket.
So I say to my assistant whosesuit is this?
This is not my suit.
Whose suit is in my bag?
Long story short, I didn't evenknow I had lost the first 75
pounds in three months.
The weight came off and Ididn't even recognize it.
Wow, then you fast forward fromthere Another few months, a
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total of 95.
To date now, because I startedgetting into the gym doing a lot
of things.
To date now my total fat lossis 120 pounds, all natural, at
best, by mainly changing what Iate, and that goes into the
physical side.
So to me all three areconnected.
You can't separate them.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You know we have so much in common just from your
on-off switch, the level ofenergy I you know.
I told you I'm going throughsome stuff right now that
pleaded me, but I'm putting allthat energy into my healing
Right and so, rather than mejust exuding it everywhere, I'm
just focusing it where it needsto go.
But I lost 50 pounds and I'vehad my own revelation and my own
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information and my ownsituation.
I learned that everybody's wehave a lot of things in common
and we have a lot of common waysthat can help solve problems.
But each of our problems areunique to our situation in our
lives and the set of answers forus that works best is very
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unique, and I like to teachpeople how to find those answers
rather than hand them to on aplatter Cause the what works
beautifully for me might workpretty good for you, but add
your own little twist and you'llfind way.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I love it, yeah, and I think that's the key, I think,
recognizing that, like when you, when we think of health, I
always look at it as such ajourney.
I look at health and healing astwo journeys that we're
constantly on and that'ssomething I speak over my life
every day.
I'm 100% healthy, 100% healedand to me that's all three areas
.
That's spirit, subconsciousmind, soul, mind, thoughts, will
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and emotions, body.
To me, all of those things, thehealth is important Because you
want to know one of the mostinteresting things that happened
to me as I began to lose theweight.
As I began to lose the weight, Ibegan to notice that I had some
bitterness.
I had some bitterness fromexperiences that had happened.
You know, again, you getstarted with your first business
at 12.
By the time I was 19, I builtDenver's largest black-owned
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real estate finance broker.
It's the largest black-ownedmortgage company.
Simultaneously, I'm in ministryand you know a lot of times you
know people who have ever beenin church maybe have heard the
term church hurt where people gothrough maybe an unexpected
experience in church that'sdisappointing.
Well, having been in aleadership seat for the majority
of that time, not for themajority- of my time I was like,
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ooh, these sheep can bite too.
These sheep are biters.
I mean, they're biters.
And so as I navigated through,as I began to shed the weight,
began to shed some of theemotions that came with the
weight, and I recognized a fewthings.
I used to be an emotional eater.
I'd eat when I was happy, I'deat when I was sad, I'd eat.
To me, the eating was thesolution, like I feel great,
let's eat.
Oh, I don't feel great, let'seat.
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I was a dessert with every mealtype of person and I said why do
you do that?
You know, it's not just a sweettooth.
I said, what is it?
It was because as a child, Ioften was placed in a
parentified situation and anamazing mom, but my stepfather,
he was an abuser, he was awomanizer, and so I often was
sitting in the seat where I was,you know, protective of my
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mother, protective of mybrothers and sisters.
She never asked me to do it.
My mother's the most amazingwoman, I know, but that was just
something.
So to me, the dessert was myway to essentially reclaim all
of the desserts.
But the rewards are things thatI didn't have or didn't get to
fully experience as a kid.
I discovered so much throughgoing through that process, that
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there was some bitterness, as Imentioned, that was left over
just from some painfulexperiences, and the big
takeaway for me was that thesetwo things are not separate and
that as I began to get myselftogether physically, I
recognized there's someemotional, there's some soul
stuff you need to deal with thatalso then impacts the spiritual
.
So again, it's all connected.
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But I had to find the way thatworked for me because I tried
everybody else's way and I thinkfor some that's the.
I tried this, I tried this, Itried this question have you
ever asked for a divine download?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
There you go.
That's it, exactly A hundredpercent.
I could not agree with you more.
I find that prayer is the waythat keeps you looking at what
you need to see.
Like you know, it's when youthink about oh, I'm going to
work on this.
All of a sudden you startnoticing these things.
But when you pray for thatanswer, all of a sudden they
just start coming to you?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, somebody was telling me I was
doing another podcast and theymentioned something I just never
heard it articulated this way.
They said are you familiar withred carp theory?
And I just never heard ittitled that way.
But you know, it's essentiallysaying that once you're told to
focus on something, everywhereyou look, you're going to see it
, you find it.
And I think the same is true.
You know, once I asked for adivine download.
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All of a sudden, literally thesame day, I prayed for it.
It's right there.
I'd had Netflix for years.
What was different was that Ihad focused my energy on finding
the solution and I had askedfor a divine download.
And I think that's the reality.
Everything we need is withinreach, simply awaiting our
awareness of it, simply awaitingour attention to it.
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And this is why distractionscome in life to snag your
attention.
To snag your attention so thatyou don't see the answers that
are often right in front of you.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You know it's so funny People.
You know they talk about eviland the devil and all these
things are trying to get you,get you.
But you know what I think?
All he ever does is try to justdistract you, Distract you A
little bit.
Hey, look over there.
Oh, look at that Squirrel.
There we go, we get lost.
It's so effective and we'rebusy looking for the big thing
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and it's just a little whisper,a little whisper, a little
whisper.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, and I think that's powerful too, even when
it comes to health.
I think part of health is focus.
Yes, what do you have to focuson?
I love what you said a minuteago about how you're focusing a
lot of your energy in yourhealth, in your healing, in your
journey, because when you focusin on that, it gives you the
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ability all of your body aligns.
But I think it's bigger.
There is something calledparanoia, the antithesis of
paranoia.
Paranoia says there's aconspiracy out to get you.
Pronoia simply says nope, thereis a vast conspiracy in the
world where everything isarranged to benefit me, which
ties into one of my favoriteBible verses.
It's Romans 8 and 28.
It says, and we know that hecalls us all things to work
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together for the good of themthat love him and to call
according to his purpose.
And so I look at focus as oneof those things that, when
you've got focus, it gives youthe intention, it's attention,
it's discipline.
That focus is part of yourhealth and it's part of your
healing too, because you know,we wouldn't expect anything that
we don't focus on to ever grow,to ever improve, to ever get
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better.
That's relationships, that'sour physical health, that's our
mental health.
That's our whatever.
And I think I love what yousaid about the distractions,
because the real deal is to getyour focus.
If I can get your focus, I'vegot your future.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Exactly.
You know, I'll tell you a realquick little story when I was
going through the worst of thiswith the cancer.
I've always been one whobelieved my body will heal
itself.
I'm not that pro-noid guy who'slike you know.
I'm in the right path.
It's going to all work out.
Sometimes things happen that youset in motion subconsciously
that you realize I'm buildingthis giant tumor in my neck for
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20 years, for whatever reason,and all the things I was doing.
I was getting to some of them alittle late and this thing
keeps growing and it's chokingme out.
Everything's getting really bad.
Finally, I got to a spot whereI was starting to see darkness
coming in on me and I wasfocusing and praying with
everything I had and there wasone time I wasn't sleeping
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because it was hurting so badand you know you don't sleep.
Things get really ugly quick andthere was a moment where I was
laying there in this couch thatI could sort of sleep in a
little bit.
I just felt this darknesscoming in.
I says you know, god, I don'tthink you want to take me right
now, but I feel like maybe youdo, you know.
And I said you know, know, Ihad to come to a place where all
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my attention was on this andI'm sitting there with this
darkness kind of coming in on meand I said you know, I, I have
to say, if you want me here, Iam, I'm ready, I don't want to
go, I don't think I need to, Idon't think my time is here, but
I'm okay if you do.
And at at that moment, likewithin seconds or minutes, I
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don't know.
You know, time gets weird I allof a sudden felt that light in
my heart just starting to showon a little brighter, just a
little bit.
And that's when it turnedaround.
It was almost like I felt himput me in his arms and just kind
of hold me up and lift me upjust a little bit and say, all
right.
At that point everything turnedaround and I started to make
that progress.
But it was that focus whereliterally I had nothing else, I
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couldn't focus on anything else.
All my attention was at thisone thing and it was boy.
It was I'll remember it foreverlike it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, but you know what I think about.
When I hear that is, I thinkabout a, I hear that it is, I
think about a testimony.
You know, testimony is just thetest that we passed, not that
we aced or perfected, we justpassed it Right.
I think sometimes we can beatourselves up and beat ourselves
down, for I didn't do that right, I didn't do that right, I
didn't do that.
But it's not about acing thetest or getting a perfect score.
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It's about passing it, andpassing it simply means that I
got the lessons out of it sothat I can apply the principles.
And when I hear you say thatthat's what I think about, and
that's what I think about, youknow, in my life and in my
journey and the things that I'vedone that you know to me, to be
honest, I feel like I'm justscratching the surface.
You know, for a lot of whatwe've got Harvest Church, we've
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got Harvest Bible College, we'vegot our leadership network,
we've got our foundation, allthe coaching I do, and every day
I literally there's a test andI'm like, okay, what's the
testimony in this?
What's the lesson, what's thelesson that's going to come out
of this?
And I think taking thatapproach is another thing that I
think is helpful in our healingjourneys Not just focus, but
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what are the lessons Like?
Why am I here?
And that's literally one of thethings I've said.
Why am I here?
Why am I in this?
There's something for me inthis.
I need to get it because I'mready to move on from this, and
I think when you take thatapproach, it's so freeing
because I'm not being punished,I'm being prepared Right.
I'm not being beat down, I'mbeing set up for something
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greater.
Exactly, You're forged, yeah,yeah, I think that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
When you think about that.
You get stuck in the fire, thenyou get pounded on and pounded
on and pounded on.
Then you get cooled off andthen stuck back in that fire,
pounded on and pounded on andpounded on.
Then you get cooled off andthen stuck back in that fire.
And every time you get poundedon, you get a little bit
stronger, a little bit moreflexible, a little bit more
capable, and I think that'sreally a key to all of this
stuff.
You know, as we get ourchallenges, it's like, okay, I
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guess I'm being prepared forsomething a little bigger now.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, exactly, and I think this is it.
There's something bigger, andyou know there used to be this
saying.
People would say you know newlevels, new devils.
I don't particularly like thatbecause to me, I don't think
it's new, it's a valley.
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So if you're on a mountaintop,celebrate, but just know that
there's a dip coming.
If you're getting a dipcelebrate because there's a
mountaintop coming Like.
This is the cyclical nature oflife, and I think that's another
one of those things that'simportant for healthy living.
Even in my weight loss journey,I remember there would be days
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where I would look because Iused to wear this Now I'm back
to doing this every day becauseI have a new goal but there
would be days I'd get on thatscale and I'd look and I'd say,
okay, it's this All right, great.
Then the next day I'd get onand say, oh, what is it Now?
Granted, it was nothing to beconcerned about, you know it's
water no, no.
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You can carry water, 10 poundsof drop in a day, or exactly,
exactly, but.
But I would look at that andthen I would think, oh goodness,
this is something, this issomething.
No, it's nothing.
It's the natural cyclicalprocess we go through.
It's nothing to be alarmedabout nothing, to be concerned
about nothing for a lot of youraudience.
Sometimes we go through thatand we think, oh my god, this is
something, it's nothing, it'spart of the process the scale is
accountability.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's you just yourself saying, okay, like for
me, it's been seven years, youknow, since I dropped that 50
and I've kept it off.
But now that with this, withthis cancer, I'm dealing with a
whole another problem, I'mtrying.
I dropped another 20 and thatwas went, took me down below
where I wanted to be.
Now I'm in a different struggle, but I'll get out of this, I'll
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be done with that soon.
But there you go.
Today I sit on that scale sametime every day.
I go, you know, I just seewhere I'm at and if I, if I'm a
little one way, I go.
Okay, let's just keep an eye onit a little the other way.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But, like you say it, there's no sense for alarm,
it's just accountability,holding yourself yeah, here I am
, I'm still carrying that torchyou know, I love something you
said, though um, it is that youknow, and I'll get through this,
and I think, when you talk tothink about healthy living, that
mentality, um is exactly itI'll get through this, I'll get
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through this, I'll get throughthis.
That that centers you and pullsagain all three parts.
We're talking spirit, soul,body pulls all three parts and
says let's get through this,let's push through this.
This is not the end, it's notover.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So true, so true.
I love it.
You know it's so funny.
I feel like, as I'm continuingthe show, I'm two and a half
years into the show and we'verun over 250 episodes already
and guests are coming to meright and left, but I'm finding
more and more guests that arereally aligned in some way with
what I'm thinking, the way I am,the things I've discovered, and
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to hear from differentperspectives and different
points of view, and you knowjust different areas of this.
It's such a giant topic thatyou know a little facet.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You could talk on for for forever and uh, it's, it's
beautiful that I'm, I'm, I feellike I'm, I'm in alignment with
this purpose of sharing thesemessages but you know what I
love, I agree, and but you knowwhat I love about even what you
mentioned is that, um, you yousaid earlier pro-noid person who
believes I'm in the right placeat the right time, and that
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just echoes what you just said.
And so I think sometimes, evenin the challenges we face, it
doesn't change the underlyingbelief that I'm in the right
place at the right time.
Like if David never facesGoliath, which to others would
be like, oh my God, david's likeI'm in the right place at the
right time.
Exactly Like if David neverfaces Goliath, which to others
would be like, oh my God, he'sgot David's.
Like I'm in the right place atthe right time.
That lion and that bear got meready for this giant.
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And I've never faced an issuequite like this.
Right, and I face similar and Ithink for everybody, you maybe
haven't faced exactly this, youhaven't faced this particular
health challenge before, butyou've faced things that were
similar, things that were tough,things, that were challenging,
and that was the mindset I'llget through it and that's the
mindset we have to have to stayhealthy.
I'll get through it.
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And when you tell your body,when you tell yourself we're
getting through this, everythingcomes into alignment.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think part of it too, is is where are you
going?
You know, you got to decidewhat's my goal, why?
Why am I?
Why am I walking this way?
Where am I headed to?
And and if you keep tellingyourself well, my, my goal is to
be the best me I can be.
You know, I was put in thisplace with a purpose.
I want to serve that purpose.
And and so how do you do that?
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Well, the best way I can.
What am I going to do it with?
Well, my best body, my bestmind, my best spirit.
And let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I love that.
Let's keep going, and to methat's been the whole journey of
my life.
Let's keep going.
And I think one of my booksthat I wrote it's called
Evolutionaries and it's aboutunlocking the new you.
And I think for all of us, foreverybody, there's a new you,
there's always a new you in you.
Like, I reject the premise wheresometimes people talk about
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destiny and here's why I don'tlike that word.
Destiny implies destinationLike I get here and I'm done.
And I reject that premisebecause it's like I got here,
I'm done with this level, let'slevel up, I get here and now I'm
done with this stage.
Let's level up, I get here andnow I'm done with this process,
let's level up.
And so you know, from thatperspective I think it's
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important because I thinksometimes people are chasing
something that's never coming,like this feeling that I'm done
To me if you got to post this tothe plan and so.
But in that book I talk abouthow the butterfly goes to its
four stages of evolution.
It's evolution is differentthan revolution, you know.
Revolution just means change,doesn't mean change for the
better.
Evolution is always progressive, productive change.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And the caveat you could never go back to being
what you were before.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
All right.
So the butterfly starts assmall as a sesame seed on a
sesame seed bun.
Stage two grows to a 100 timesits size.
Stage three something crazyhappens after all that
productivity, all that growth.
Now it finds itself in achrysalis in this cocoon, either
buried underground or buriedbehind the leaf.
And many, uh theorize that,predicated on the size the
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butterfly will be determines howlong it's in that stage.
Now, that blew my mind, becausesometimes people say it just
seems like I've been in thisdark place or this place for so
long.
But that's just an indicatorthat when you get to stage four,
you're going to be one of thebig boys.
You bust up out of that cocoon,you're going to be flying and
you're going to be so muchstronger because of what you had
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to go through in that stagethree, to be so much stronger
because of what you had to gothrough in that stage three.
And I think that all connectionties together.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
But stage three doesn't look pretty, it doesn't
look exciting, it doesn't lookgood, but it is necessary and
that's exactly yeah and I thinkyou know there's a, there's a
concept called reverie, whereyou can sit back and look at
where you've been.
And I think if we take time todo that like especially people
that are really motivated we'relike I've hit a plateau, I'm
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stuck, I'm not getting anywhere,you know, and but you feel like
you're not moving, you feellike you haven't done anything.
But then if you look back andyou say, well, where did I start
out?
And then you go back and takeyourself to that you know 10
year old child starting thatfirst business, and then you go
walk yourself through all thesethings, you realize, whoa, you
know, I've, I've.
Then you can actually see thepattern.
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Like when we're in it it's hardto see how everything fits
together because you're down init.
But when you get up on the topof that hill for a little while,
you look back and you go, oh, Isee I started out with this and
that gave me a tool to do that.
And then that, walking here,let me meet those people who
showed me this thing.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, oh well, and now here I
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am.
And I think that that's thebeauty of you know, when people
try to understand god and allthat, and it's like what are you
thinking?
Like you're a human being,you're, you're this little
little animal on this littlepiece of rock floating around
your face.
You're gonna try to understandthe thing that made you you know
, it doesn't work that way butbut to understand that the
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perspective of this creator, whosees everything before and
during and after, it's like, ohwell, why don't I just trust
that?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
much easier that way, you know, to me it is much
easier.
You know, people talk about theprayer, serenity which
essentially is, you know, giveme the grace to understand the
things I can't control and thepower to control the things I
can't control, and the wisdom toknow the difference.
Essentially, I paraphrase it,but I think that's so freeing.
Sure, not because it's anobfuscation of responsibility,
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but it's a recognition of limitsand limitations.
And I think you know there arecertain things, you know you
just that's why they call it thetheory of this, the theory of
that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's a theory, we don't know.
It's a theory.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think giving up the desire to know everything and
control everything, that was oneof the best things I did for my
health, yeah, know everythingand control everything, that was
one of the best things I didfor my health, yeah, was not
having to try to controleverything.
You control the narrative.
You want to control what peoplethink.
You want to control this, youwant to control that, you want
to control this.
And I just said you know what.
I can control all that.
I will only focus my energy onthe things that I can't control
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and the things that I cannotcontrol.
I'm not focusing my energythere, back to where we started
this conversation.
I am not going to put my energythere because it is not going
to be productive for me, it'snot going to be, you know,
transformational for me, becauseall it's going to do is produce
worry, and worry, as everybodyknows, is going to create all
these other issues.
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So, really, the reason youworry is because you want to be
a control freak, and the reasonyou want to be a control freak
is because you don't want togive up the realization and the
recognition that I don't knoweverything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't have answers well, and the truth is, you know
, you only control really twothings you control your thoughts
, your attitude, your actions.
Thoughts and attitude are kindof the same thing, but you know,
I was locked up for a littlewhile for something that wasn't
even a crime, and and I I had tosit there and realize that
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things just aren't always fair.
It doesn't work out, and I Ihad to every morning wake up in
that place and say, well, I got,I got a little bit of control
in this and that's just how I'mgonna be, be and, and and.
Again.
I realized it's going to beover and I'll be past this soon.
And and and you know, in theend it all worked out, it forged
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a little stronger, and you know, here I am today and I can help
people that are going through asimilar thing.
Well, listen, as I suspected,this conversation just blew
through in a heartbeat, and Iwant to once again extend this
invitation.
We didn't even get to half ofthe things we could talk about,
(29:33):
much less expand on them, and Ireally, truly welcome you to
come in and explore any of thesetopics in a deeper level.
I think that we have a lot incommon and I believe that you're
going to reach a lot of peoplein my audience in a very special
way, so I really want to giveyou a chance right now to share.
(29:53):
if you can boil down into alittle parting shot and then,
maybe as importantly, let peopleknow how they can get a hold of
you.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Absolutely Well.
One again.
Thank you for having me.
You were absolutely right aboutit.
We breezed right through this.
But people can connect on allsocial media.
At Bishop ForemanB-I-S-H-O-P-F-O-R-E-M-A-N.
Just like George, I just don'thave seven sons but at Bishop
Foreman, on all social mediaInstagram, in fact.
If you're watching or listening, please shoot me a DM.
I get about 400 to 500 a day,but I respond Now.
(30:23):
It's going to take a few days,but I would love to know if you
watched this, heard this, wereable to participate and that it
added some value to your life.
Please shoot us a message, letme know that.
But at Bishop Foreman, or justbishopforemancom, is another way
people can connect.
There's books on there,resources, inspirational
messages, tons of teaching, tonsof things that are going to add
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value to people's lives, andhealthy living is really the
substratum of it all, in allareas.
And if I was to leave one thing, I would say this is that you
still have a pulse.
There's still a plan.
Life's not over and from.
For many, it's just about toget real good.
Uh, you thought you've had somegreat days behind you, but your
best days are here and they areahead of you.
That's what it is Thanks againfor having me.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That is so beautiful.
Well, thank you so much, bishopForeman, and to all the
listeners, I thank you for allyour support.
This has been another episodeof the Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and I will see you next time.
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and today we have a very special
guest.
He goes by the name KevinBishop Foreman, and this is a
guy, once again, that has somany credentials.
I'm just going to kind ofbriefly walk through a little
bit of it.
And he's a Renaissance man whodevoted his life to changing
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lives.
He was born in Denver, Colorado, and reared an orange mound, an
area of Memphis, tennessee,riddled with the plight often
accompanies the inner city.
From humble beginnings, throughGod's amazing grace, he's
defied statistics andtranscended superficial
boundaries.
Today is an influential pastor,a successful church planner,
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bishop, success coach, in-demandspeaker, author, philanthropist
and so many other things.
So, without chattering on aboutall the wonderful things you
did, let's just get to meet you.
Welcome, bishop.
Yes, sir, and how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
today.
Listen, I'm so glad to be here.
I'm doing amazing, Glad to bewith you and excited to be with
your audience today to reallytalk about something that I
think is so important for us allhealthy living.
So I'm doing well and you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I am doing fantastic.
You know every day that I wakeup above ground and breathing, I
thank God and I realize I gotanother chance to make a
difference in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, you know, what I say every morning is I say you
know, we hit the jackpotbecause, regardless of what
challenges we're facing, we hitthe jackpot that we get another
opportunity to be better todaythan we were yesterday.
So I look at every day as likewinning the lotto yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, and you know the human experience.
One of the things that I havebeen, you know, given to me as a
message is that you know, everyday we have a choice of where
we want to go and what we wantto do.
We can start all over at anygiven moment and I don't know.
You know that's what abeautiful opportunity, a
beautiful gift, gift, and youknow we talk a lot about.
(02:08):
You know the physical elementsof health and the mental
elements of health, but thespiritual elements of health I
get into quite a bit myself, butit's really great to have
somebody, I believe, that's gota focus on that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, you know, for me it's all I don't think there,
I don't think you can separatethe two.
You know, for me it's all Idon't think you can separate the
two.
You know I look at part of myhealth journey, you know, I
really had, because of thenature of my life, which really
from age 12, I started my firstbusiness when I was 12.
I got into ministry throughmusic when I was 12.
And so I just, you know, from12, I just had, and really
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beyond before that, I just hadone button which was on.
There was no off switch andthere was rarely a slow down
switch.
You know, like slowing down wasjust, you know, working to
whatever the obstacle was, andso as a result of that, you know
, sometimes you can develophabits that aren't great, and so
you can eat late, you can eatthe wrong things.
(03:03):
You know all of that.
And so you know, being born inDenver, which is a relatively
healthy area relatively speaking, and in Memphis, in the South,
you know, in the South,everything is around food,
everything is around good eating, biscuits and all the rest of
it and listen, I love it and allthat good stuff Fried.
(03:27):
You know all of that and so youknow that was a lot of what was
.
You know all of that and uh,and so you know that was a lot
of what was.
Uh, you know how I viewedthings and I didn't.
So many things came as arevelation in 2013.
I had actually prayed forstrategy because I'd gotten to a
weight um, that was, I was like250, 260 and uh, I got into a
weight to where I said, you know, I'm five nine and uh, I well,
you know, I looked like a middlelinebacker, you know, for the
Broncos or something.
So I carried it well, but Ijust said, you know what, I
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would preach the two Sundayservices and then I would sleep
for hours after church and Isaid I don't want this to be my
life where I can't enjoy it.
And then, you know, I looked atthat so, and then you know, I
looked at that.
So I tried everything Slim,slow, slim fast.
Protein power, all the carbsyou want no carbs, protein
Atkins, everybody.
I tried everything.
Nothing ever really wassuccessful for me.
(04:12):
So I actually here's thespiritual component I prayed, I
said I need a strategy, becauseall of these other strategies,
nothing is working.
So, if nothing else is working,I need something divine, and I
think what you mentioned is soimportant working.
I need something divine and Ithink what you mentioned is so
important.
When you talk about healthyliving, sometimes you you'll try
a bunch of things to discoverthat maybe there's no template
or pattern for you.
You need a divine download.
(04:33):
Yeah, I prayed for one and wewere at the end of a 21 day uh,
what we call daniel fast, sobasically fruits and vegetables
and uh, at the end of it, thatwas the day I prayed.
I said I need a strategy.
You, as I laid out on my couch,tired from the two Sunday
services, having just eaten thisbig fried platter of fish and
everything else.
I need a strategy.
(04:53):
I flip it on Netflix.
A documentary is on there.
I can't even tell you the nameof it because I haven't been
able to find it since then.
Literally, I tried to find it aweek afterward and it was not
there Again.
I think it goes back to divinestrategy.
I've literally not been able tofind it.
People say is it this?
Is it this?
I've watched all of them thatare still on there and none of
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them are the one that I saw.
But it gave me some informationand I decided to act on it.
So here's the soul componentmind, thoughts, will, emotions.
I said you know what?
You've got to do somethingdifferent.
And I saw, now that I've gotinformation, I need to make
changes.
So, cold turkey I cut out fastfood.
I did stop eating at six before.
(05:36):
Intermittent fasting was athing I was just like okay, it
makes sense that it's probablystopped eating at six if I'm
going to sleep at, you know, 10,11, 12, whatever it makes sense
Changed everything about mydiet immediately.
Cold turkey Started that Monday.
It was a divine download andthe documentary didn't actually
tell me what to do.
It just told me that what I wasdoing wasn't good for my body.
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You know, I would get a numberone at a restaurant.
You know a fast food joint, thenumber one supersized with a
Coke Zero.
Right exactly Thinking I wasdoing something, and then, once
I got that information, itchanged.
And so I believe this thatinformation, it becomes
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revelation when you learn how itapplies to your situation.
I love it.
Information by itself, it'sjust the data, but when I
learned how that data applies tome, that's revelation.
Like that reveals something,that opens up something.
So at that moment I did it, andso here's what happened as a
matter of fact, I did a wholewebinar.
As a matter of fact, we did awhole masterclass to teach
people because it inspired thismovement we called Fit Harvest,
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where people saw me lose theweight right in front of them.
They saw me get healthy rightin front of them, and so we had
individuals who lost 100 pounds,150 pounds, only 200 pounds,
Through about three months afterdoing that and again just made
the change Three months afterdoing that.
We had been pretty casual.
It was going into the summerbeing pretty casual, and so I
didn't really pay attention towhy my clothes fit that type of
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thing.
Long story short, I had tospeak at a leadership event up
in Vail there in Colorado.
I know the leadership eventneeded to put on a suit.
I went and put on my suit.
When I put on my suit, thepants were hanging off.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I said this is my suit.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Put on the jacket.
The jacket's hanging off.
I said this is not my jacket.
So I say to my assistant whosesuit is this?
This is not my suit.
Whose suit is in my bag?
Long story short, I didn't evenknow I had lost the first 75
pounds in three months.
The weight came off and Ididn't even recognize it.
Wow, then you fast forward fromthere Another few months, a
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total of 95.
To date now, because I startedgetting into the gym doing a lot
of things.
To date now my total fat lossis 120 pounds, all natural, at
best, by mainly changing what Iate, and that goes into the
physical side.
So to me all three areconnected.
You can't separate them.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You know we have so much in common just from your
on-off switch, the level ofenergy I you know.
I told you I'm going throughsome stuff right now that
pleaded me, but I'm putting allthat energy into my healing
Right and so, rather than mejust exuding it everywhere, I'm
just focusing it where it needsto go.
But I lost 50 pounds and I'vehad my own revelation and my own
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information and my ownsituation.
I learned that everybody's wehave a lot of things in common
and we have a lot of common waysthat can help solve problems.
But each of our problems areunique to our situation in our
lives and the set of answers forus that works best is very
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unique, and I like to teachpeople how to find those answers
rather than hand them to on aplatter Cause the what works
beautifully for me might workpretty good for you, but add
your own little twist and you'llfind way.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I love it, yeah, and I think that's the key, I think,
recognizing that, like when you, when we think of health, I
always look at it as such ajourney.
I look at health and healing astwo journeys that we're
constantly on and that'ssomething I speak over my life
every day.
I'm 100% healthy, 100% healedand to me that's all three areas
.
That's spirit, subconsciousmind, soul, mind, thoughts, will
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and emotions, body.
To me, all of those things, thehealth is important Because you
want to know one of the mostinteresting things that happened
to me as I began to lose theweight.
As I began to lose the weight, Ibegan to notice that I had some
bitterness.
I had some bitterness fromexperiences that had happened.
You know, again, you getstarted with your first business
at 12.
By the time I was 19, I builtDenver's largest black-owned
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real estate finance broker.
It's the largest black-ownedmortgage company.
Simultaneously, I'm in ministryand you know a lot of times you
know people who have ever beenin church maybe have heard the
term church hurt where people gothrough maybe an unexpected
experience in church that'sdisappointing.
Well, having been in aleadership seat for the majority
of that time, not for themajority- of my time I was like,
(10:03):
ooh, these sheep can bite too.
These sheep are biters.
I mean, they're biters.
And so as I navigated through,as I began to shed the weight,
began to shed some of theemotions that came with the
weight, and I recognized a fewthings.
I used to be an emotional eater.
I'd eat when I was happy, I'deat when I was sad, I'd eat.
To me, the eating was thesolution, like I feel great,
let's eat.
Oh, I don't feel great, let'seat.
(10:24):
I was a dessert with every mealtype of person and I said why do
you do that?
You know, it's not just a sweettooth.
I said, what is it?
It was because as a child, Ioften was placed in a
parentified situation and anamazing mom, but my stepfather,
he was an abuser, he was awomanizer, and so I often was
sitting in the seat where I was,you know, protective of my
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mother, protective of mybrothers and sisters.
She never asked me to do it.
My mother's the most amazingwoman, I know, but that was just
something.
So to me, the dessert was myway to essentially reclaim all
of the desserts.
But the rewards are things thatI didn't have or didn't get to
fully experience as a kid.
I discovered so much throughgoing through that process, that
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there was some bitterness, as Imentioned, that was left over
just from some painfulexperiences, and the big
takeaway for me was that thesetwo things are not separate and
that as I began to get myselftogether physically, I
recognized there's someemotional, there's some soul
stuff you need to deal with thatalso then impacts the spiritual
.
So again, it's all connected.
(11:30):
But I had to find the way thatworked for me because I tried
everybody else's way and I thinkfor some that's the.
I tried this, I tried this, Itried this question have you
ever asked for a divine download?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
There you go.
That's it, exactly A hundredpercent.
I could not agree with you more.
I find that prayer is the waythat keeps you looking at what
you need to see.
Like you know, it's when youthink about oh, I'm going to
work on this.
All of a sudden you startnoticing these things.
But when you pray for thatanswer, all of a sudden they
just start coming to you?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, somebody was telling me I was
doing another podcast and theymentioned something I just never
heard it articulated this way.
They said are you familiar withred carp theory?
And I just never heard ittitled that way.
But you know, it's essentiallysaying that once you're told to
focus on something, everywhereyou look, you're going to see it
, you find it.
And I think the same is true.
You know, once I asked for adivine download.
(12:26):
All of a sudden, literally thesame day, I prayed for it.
It's right there.
I'd had Netflix for years.
What was different was that Ihad focused my energy on finding
the solution and I had askedfor a divine download.
And I think that's the reality.
Everything we need is withinreach, simply awaiting our
awareness of it, simply awaitingour attention to it.
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And this is why distractionscome in life to snag your
attention.
To snag your attention so thatyou don't see the answers that
are often right in front of you.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You know it's so funny People.
You know they talk about eviland the devil and all these
things are trying to get you,get you.
But you know what I think?
All he ever does is try to justdistract you, Distract you A
little bit.
Hey, look over there.
Oh, look at that Squirrel.
There we go, we get lost.
It's so effective and we'rebusy looking for the big thing
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and it's just a little whisper,a little whisper, a little
whisper.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, and I think that's powerful too, even when
it comes to health.
I think part of health is focus.
Yes, what do you have to focuson?
I love what you said a minuteago about how you're focusing a
lot of your energy in yourhealth, in your healing, in your
journey, because when you focusin on that, it gives you the
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ability all of your body aligns.
But I think it's bigger.
There is something calledparanoia, the antithesis of
paranoia.
Paranoia says there's aconspiracy out to get you.
Pronoia simply says nope, thereis a vast conspiracy in the
world where everything isarranged to benefit me, which
ties into one of my favoriteBible verses.
It's Romans 8 and 28.
It says, and we know that hecalls us all things to work
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together for the good of themthat love him and to call
according to his purpose.
And so I look at focus as oneof those things that, when
you've got focus, it gives youthe intention, it's attention,
it's discipline.
That focus is part of yourhealth and it's part of your
healing too, because you know,we wouldn't expect anything that
we don't focus on to ever grow,to ever improve, to ever get
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better.
That's relationships, that'sour physical health, that's our
mental health.
That's our whatever.
And I think I love what yousaid about the distractions,
because the real deal is to getyour focus.
If I can get your focus, I'vegot your future.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Exactly.
You know, I'll tell you a realquick little story when I was
going through the worst of thiswith the cancer.
I've always been one whobelieved my body will heal
itself.
I'm not that pro-noid guy who'slike you know.
I'm in the right path.
It's going to all work out.
Sometimes things happen that youset in motion subconsciously
that you realize I'm buildingthis giant tumor in my neck for
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20 years, for whatever reason,and all the things I was doing.
I was getting to some of them alittle late and this thing
keeps growing and it's chokingme out.
Everything's getting really bad.
Finally, I got to a spot whereI was starting to see darkness
coming in on me and I wasfocusing and praying with
everything I had and there wasone time I wasn't sleeping
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because it was hurting so badand you know you don't sleep.
Things get really ugly quick andthere was a moment where I was
laying there in this couch thatI could sort of sleep in a
little bit.
I just felt this darknesscoming in.
I says you know, god, I don'tthink you want to take me right
now, but I feel like maybe youdo, you know.
And I said you know, know, Ihad to come to a place where all
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my attention was on this andI'm sitting there with this
darkness kind of coming in on meand I said you know, I, I have
to say, if you want me here, Iam, I'm ready, I don't want to
go, I don't think I need to, Idon't think my time is here, but
I'm okay if you do.
And at at that moment, likewithin seconds or minutes, I
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don't know.
You know, time gets weird I allof a sudden felt that light in
my heart just starting to showon a little brighter, just a
little bit.
And that's when it turnedaround.
It was almost like I felt himput me in his arms and just kind
of hold me up and lift me upjust a little bit and say, all
right.
At that point everything turnedaround and I started to make
that progress.
But it was that focus whereliterally I had nothing else, I
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couldn't focus on anything else.
All my attention was at thisone thing and it was boy.
It was I'll remember it foreverlike it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, but you know what I think about.
When I hear that is, I thinkabout a, I hear that it is, I
think about a testimony.
You know, testimony is just thetest that we passed, not that
we aced or perfected, we justpassed it Right.
I think sometimes we can beatourselves up and beat ourselves
down, for I didn't do that right, I didn't do that right, I
didn't do that.
But it's not about acing thetest or getting a perfect score.
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It's about passing it, andpassing it simply means that I
got the lessons out of it sothat I can apply the principles.
And when I hear you say thatthat's what I think about, and
that's what I think about, youknow, in my life and in my
journey and the things that I'vedone that you know to me, to be
honest, I feel like I'm justscratching the surface.
You know, for a lot of whatwe've got Harvest Church, we've
(17:23):
got Harvest Bible College, we'vegot our leadership network,
we've got our foundation, allthe coaching I do, and every day
I literally there's a test andI'm like, okay, what's the
testimony in this?
What's the lesson, what's thelesson that's going to come out
of this?
And I think taking thatapproach is another thing that I
think is helpful in our healingjourneys Not just focus, but
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what are the lessons Like?
Why am I here?
And that's literally one of thethings I've said.
Why am I here?
Why am I in this?
There's something for me inthis.
I need to get it because I'mready to move on from this, and
I think when you take thatapproach, it's so freeing
because I'm not being punished,I'm being prepared Right.
I'm not being beat down, I'mbeing set up for something
(18:12):
greater.
Exactly, You're forged, yeah,yeah, I think that's powerful.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
When you think about that.
You get stuck in the fire, thenyou get pounded on and pounded
on and pounded on.
Then you get cooled off andthen stuck back in that fire,
pounded on and pounded on andpounded on.
Then you get cooled off andthen stuck back in that fire.
And every time you get poundedon, you get a little bit
stronger, a little bit moreflexible, a little bit more
capable, and I think that'sreally a key to all of this
stuff.
You know, as we get ourchallenges, it's like, okay, I
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guess I'm being prepared forsomething a little bigger now.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, exactly, and I think this is it.
There's something bigger, andyou know there used to be this
saying.
People would say you know newlevels, new devils.
I don't particularly like thatbecause to me, I don't think
it's new, it's a valley.
(19:01):
So if you're on a mountaintop,celebrate, but just know that
there's a dip coming.
If you're getting a dipcelebrate because there's a
mountaintop coming Like.
This is the cyclical nature oflife, and I think that's another
one of those things that'simportant for healthy living.
Even in my weight loss journey,I remember there would be days
(19:21):
where I would look because Iused to wear this Now I'm back
to doing this every day becauseI have a new goal but there
would be days I'd get on thatscale and I'd look and I'd say,
okay, it's this All right, great.
Then the next day I'd get onand say, oh, what is it Now?
Granted, it was nothing to beconcerned about, you know it's
water no, no.
(19:46):
You can carry water, 10 poundsof drop in a day, or exactly,
exactly, but.
But I would look at that andthen I would think, oh goodness,
this is something, this issomething.
No, it's nothing.
It's the natural cyclicalprocess we go through.
It's nothing to be alarmedabout nothing, to be concerned
about nothing for a lot of youraudience.
Sometimes we go through thatand we think, oh my god, this is
something, it's nothing, it'spart of the process the scale is
accountability.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's you just yourself saying, okay, like for
me, it's been seven years, youknow, since I dropped that 50
and I've kept it off.
But now that with this, withthis cancer, I'm dealing with a
whole another problem, I'mtrying.
I dropped another 20 and thatwas went, took me down below
where I wanted to be.
Now I'm in a different struggle, but I'll get out of this, I'll
(20:27):
be done with that soon.
But there you go.
Today I sit on that scale sametime every day.
I go, you know, I just seewhere I'm at and if I, if I'm a
little one way, I go.
Okay, let's just keep an eye onit a little the other way.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But, like you say it, there's no sense for alarm,
it's just accountability,holding yourself yeah, here I am
, I'm still carrying that torchyou know, I love something you
said, though um, it is that youknow, and I'll get through this,
and I think, when you talk tothink about healthy living, that
mentality, um is exactly itI'll get through this, I'll get
(21:00):
through this, I'll get throughthis.
That that centers you and pullsagain all three parts.
We're talking spirit, soul,body pulls all three parts and
says let's get through this,let's push through this.
This is not the end, it's notover.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So true, so true.
I love it.
You know it's so funny.
I feel like, as I'm continuingthe show, I'm two and a half
years into the show and we'verun over 250 episodes already
and guests are coming to meright and left, but I'm finding
more and more guests that arereally aligned in some way with
what I'm thinking, the way I am,the things I've discovered, and
(21:36):
to hear from differentperspectives and different
points of view, and you knowjust different areas of this.
It's such a giant topic thatyou know a little facet.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You could talk on for for forever and uh, it's, it's
beautiful that I'm, I'm, I feellike I'm, I'm in alignment with
this purpose of sharing thesemessages but you know what I
love, I agree, and but you knowwhat I love about even what you
mentioned is that, um, you yousaid earlier pro-noid person who
believes I'm in the right placeat the right time, and that
(22:11):
just echoes what you just said.
And so I think sometimes, evenin the challenges we face, it
doesn't change the underlyingbelief that I'm in the right
place at the right time.
Like if David never facesGoliath, which to others would
be like, oh my God, david's likeI'm in the right place at the
right time.
Exactly Like if David neverfaces Goliath, which to others
would be like, oh my God, he'sgot David's.
Like I'm in the right place atthe right time.
That lion and that bear got meready for this giant.
(22:33):
And I've never faced an issuequite like this.
Right, and I face similar and Ithink for everybody, you maybe
haven't faced exactly this, youhaven't faced this particular
health challenge before, butyou've faced things that were
similar, things that were tough,things, that were challenging,
and that was the mindset I'llget through it and that's the
mindset we have to have to stayhealthy.
I'll get through it.
(22:53):
And when you tell your body,when you tell yourself we're
getting through this, everythingcomes into alignment.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I think part of it too, is is where are you
going?
You know, you got to decidewhat's my goal, why?
Why am I?
Why am I walking this way?
Where am I headed to?
And and if you keep tellingyourself well, my, my goal is to
be the best me I can be.
You know, I was put in thisplace with a purpose.
I want to serve that purpose.
And and so how do you do that?
(23:23):
Well, the best way I can.
What am I going to do it with?
Well, my best body, my bestmind, my best spirit.
And let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I love that.
Let's keep going, and to methat's been the whole journey of
my life.
Let's keep going.
And I think one of my booksthat I wrote it's called
Evolutionaries and it's aboutunlocking the new you.
And I think for all of us, foreverybody, there's a new you,
there's always a new you in you.
Like, I reject the premise wheresometimes people talk about
(23:53):
destiny and here's why I don'tlike that word.
Destiny implies destinationLike I get here and I'm done.
And I reject that premisebecause it's like I got here,
I'm done with this level, let'slevel up, I get here and now I'm
done with this stage.
Let's level up, I get here andnow I'm done with this process,
let's level up.
And so you know, from thatperspective I think it's
(24:15):
important because I thinksometimes people are chasing
something that's never coming,like this feeling that I'm done
To me if you got to post this tothe plan and so.
But in that book I talk abouthow the butterfly goes to its
four stages of evolution.
It's evolution is differentthan revolution, you know.
Revolution just means change,doesn't mean change for the
better.
Evolution is always progressive, productive change.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And the caveat you could never go back to being
what you were before.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
All right.
So the butterfly starts assmall as a sesame seed on a
sesame seed bun.
Stage two grows to a 100 timesits size.
Stage three something crazyhappens after all that
productivity, all that growth.
Now it finds itself in achrysalis in this cocoon, either
buried underground or buriedbehind the leaf.
And many, uh theorize that,predicated on the size the
(25:01):
butterfly will be determines howlong it's in that stage.
Now, that blew my mind, becausesometimes people say it just
seems like I've been in thisdark place or this place for so
long.
But that's just an indicatorthat when you get to stage four,
you're going to be one of thebig boys.
You bust up out of that cocoon,you're going to be flying and
you're going to be so muchstronger because of what you had
(25:22):
to go through in that stagethree, to be so much stronger
because of what you had to gothrough in that stage three.
And I think that all connectionties together.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
But stage three doesn't look pretty, it doesn't
look exciting, it doesn't lookgood, but it is necessary and
that's exactly yeah and I thinkyou know there's a, there's a
concept called reverie, whereyou can sit back and look at
where you've been.
And I think if we take time todo that like especially people
that are really motivated we'relike I've hit a plateau, I'm
(25:49):
stuck, I'm not getting anywhere,you know, and but you feel like
you're not moving, you feellike you haven't done anything.
But then if you look back andyou say, well, where did I start
out?
And then you go back and takeyourself to that you know 10
year old child starting thatfirst business, and then you go
walk yourself through all thesethings, you realize, whoa, you
know, I've, I've.
Then you can actually see thepattern.
(26:11):
Like when we're in it it's hardto see how everything fits
together because you're down init.
But when you get up on the topof that hill for a little while,
you look back and you go, oh, Isee I started out with this and
that gave me a tool to do that.
And then that, walking here,let me meet those people who
showed me this thing.
And then all of a sudden you'relike, oh well, and now here I
(26:32):
am.
And I think that that's thebeauty of you know, when people
try to understand god and allthat, and it's like what are you
thinking?
Like you're a human being,you're, you're this little
little animal on this littlepiece of rock floating around
your face.
You're gonna try to understandthe thing that made you you know
, it doesn't work that way butbut to understand that the
(26:54):
perspective of this creator, whosees everything before and
during and after, it's like, ohwell, why don't I just trust
that?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
much easier that way, you know, to me it is much
easier.
You know, people talk about theprayer, serenity which
essentially is, you know, giveme the grace to understand the
things I can't control and thepower to control the things I
can't control, and the wisdom toknow the difference.
Essentially, I paraphrase it,but I think that's so freeing.
Sure, not because it's anobfuscation of responsibility,
(27:26):
but it's a recognition of limitsand limitations.
And I think you know there arecertain things, you know you
just that's why they call it thetheory of this, the theory of
that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's a theory, we don't know.
It's a theory.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think giving up the desire to know everything and
control everything, that was oneof the best things I did for my
health, yeah, know everythingand control everything, that was
one of the best things I didfor my health, yeah, was not
having to try to controleverything.
You control the narrative.
You want to control what peoplethink.
You want to control this, youwant to control that, you want
to control this.
And I just said you know what.
I can control all that.
I will only focus my energy onthe things that I can't control
(27:58):
and the things that I cannotcontrol.
I'm not focusing my energythere, back to where we started
this conversation.
I am not going to put my energythere because it is not going
to be productive for me, it'snot going to be, you know,
transformational for me, becauseall it's going to do is produce
worry, and worry, as everybodyknows, is going to create all
these other issues.
(28:18):
So, really, the reason youworry is because you want to be
a control freak, and the reasonyou want to be a control freak
is because you don't want togive up the realization and the
recognition that I don't knoweverything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't have answers well, and the truth is, you know
, you only control really twothings you control your thoughts
, your attitude, your actions.
Thoughts and attitude are kindof the same thing, but you know,
I was locked up for a littlewhile for something that wasn't
even a crime, and and I I had tosit there and realize that
(28:48):
things just aren't always fair.
It doesn't work out, and I Ihad to every morning wake up in
that place and say, well, I got,I got a little bit of control
in this and that's just how I'mgonna be, be and, and and.
Again.
I realized it's going to beover and I'll be past this soon.
And and and you know, in theend it all worked out, it forged
(29:10):
a little stronger, and you know, here I am today and I can help
people that are going through asimilar thing.
Well, listen, as I suspected,this conversation just blew
through in a heartbeat, and Iwant to once again extend this
invitation.
We didn't even get to half ofthe things we could talk about,
(29:33):
much less expand on them, and Ireally, truly welcome you to
come in and explore any of thesetopics in a deeper level.
I think that we have a lot incommon and I believe that you're
going to reach a lot of peoplein my audience in a very special
way, so I really want to giveyou a chance right now to share.
(29:53):
if you can boil down into alittle parting shot and then,
maybe as importantly, let peopleknow how they can get a hold of
you.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Absolutely Well.
One again.
Thank you for having me.
You were absolutely right aboutit.
We breezed right through this.
But people can connect on allsocial media.
At Bishop ForemanB-I-S-H-O-P-F-O-R-E-M-A-N.
Just like George, I just don'thave seven sons but at Bishop
Foreman, on all social mediaInstagram, in fact.
If you're watching or listening, please shoot me a DM.
I get about 400 to 500 a day,but I respond Now.
(30:23):
It's going to take a few days,but I would love to know if you
watched this, heard this, wereable to participate and that it
added some value to your life.
Please shoot us a message, letme know that.
But at Bishop Foreman, or justbishopforemancom, is another way
people can connect.
There's books on there,resources, inspirational
messages, tons of teaching, tonsof things that are going to add
(30:50):
value to people's lives, andhealthy living is really the
substratum of it all, in allareas.
And if I was to leave one thing, I would say this is that you
still have a pulse.
There's still a plan.
Life's not over and from.
For many, it's just about toget real good.
Uh, you thought you've had somegreat days behind you, but your
best days are here and they areahead of you.
That's what it is Thanks againfor having me.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That is so beautiful.
Well, thank you so much, bishopForeman, and to all the
listeners, I thank you for allyour support.
This has been another episodeof the Healthy Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and I will see you next time.
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