May 27, 2025 • 34 mins
A cannabis breeding legend steps out from behind his iconic Blueberry strain to share a deeply philosophical journey through consciousness, quantum reality, and his battle with cancer.
Daniel John (DJ) and host Joe Grumbine explore the nature of reality through the lens of scientific paradigm shifts, drawing from Thomas Kuhn's groundbreaking work. "The Structure of Scientific Revolution" DJ reflects. "What should be the rarest thing in science is conclusion." This framework sets the stage for understanding how our most fundamental assumptions about reality can transform when we're pushed to our limits.
The conversation ventures into fascinating territory as DJ articulates his understanding of human consciousness as "points of perception" that exist beyond physical reality. Using elegant metaphors connecting the human body to cosmic structures, he illustrates how we're directly connected to the universe in ways that transcend time and space. "There is a direct connection between the tip of my finger and the center of the galaxy," he explains, offering listeners a doorway into contemplating their own interconnectedness with all existence.
When DJ shares his personal battle with aggressive squamous cell carcinoma, the philosophical becomes deeply personal. Despite being in excellent health otherwise, a growing mass on his neck forced him to confront mortality directly. His journey weaves through conventional medical approaches, cannabis oil treatments he once believed could cure any cancer, and ultimately to profound healing experiences with indigenous medicine people. The kambo (frog medicine) ceremony that "literally cracked me open" reveals how ancient practices can access healing dimensions that modern medicine might miss.
What emerges is a rare conversation that bridges scientific understanding with spiritual wisdom, offering listeners valuable perspectives on navigating life's greatest challenges. DJ's journey reminds us that when facing our darkest moments, we may discover capacities for awareness and healing we never knew we possessed.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and I have a very special guest
with me today.
His name is Daniel John and hegoes by DJ for short.
And Dan, welcome to the show.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am well, thanks, Joe.
How about yourself?
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I am fantastic, better than I've been in a long
time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There's a buddy with me too.
He had to say hi.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Awesome, Awesome, Little cat there.
Awesome, he's over here.
I've known Dan for a littleover 15 years and we met while I
was in the middle of my battlewith the government and being a
cannabis activist and advocateand all those many years.
And a lot of listeners don'teven know that chapter of my
(00:45):
life, but it's all out there.
And we had a mutual friend whowas supporting me while I was
going through my trial and sheput together this event where we
were doing all these workshopsand I've got this botanical
garden and she thought, well,we'll have this great event.
And Dan came down from, I thinkyou were up in Oregon and
(01:09):
stayed in my guest house for aday or two and taught a workshop
there.
And that's how we met and youknow we've just been friends.
Easy to be friends with you, sowelcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, thank you.
And likewise I feel the sameshow.
Well, thank you.
And likewise, you know, I feelthe same way it's click, nice.
So you know we've, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You are a cannabis breeder and you know you.
You are one of the OGs, if youwill, and you know, for anybody
who knows the cannabis world,you know that immortal strain,
blueberry.
This is the guy that came upwith it and all of its offspring
, and we sort of got to knoweach other with that in common.
(01:54):
But we always talked aboutother things.
We always talked about life.
We always talked about thejourney that we're on and deeper
things than just this plantthat was so amazing and
wonderful and at the time Ibelieved it was the most safest
thing in the world.
It turns out life isn't alwayswhat you think it is, and before
(02:14):
we get started, there's a bookthat I came in contact with
fairly recently, by a guy namedDean or John Kuhn, and it's
called the Structure ofScientific Revolution.
Are you familiar with it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a copy here, Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So so we're speaking from some common ground, and one
of the premises of this is thatwe go through life thinking
things are a certain way andthings are there, that things
are.
There are constants that wecount on and science progresses
along and it builds on itself.
And then, every once in a while, there are constants that we
count on and science progressesalong and it builds on itself,
and then, every once in a while,there's a paradigm shift and
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everything we thought was onething turned out it was
something else and everythinghas to change.
But life doesn't work that way.
It's very difficult for that tohappen and even though
discoveries are made and thingsare proven, by the time it hits
mainstream it's 15, 20 yearsdown the road, maybe, if ever,
(03:11):
and we live in that world rightnow with science and medicine
and the understandings of things, especially things like cancer,
and it's a crazy experiencethat I've had to learn the hard
way to turn my experience intothe real paradigm, which is
truth, and that's always been myquest.
(03:35):
You know there's facts andscience and all this, but
there's also truth, and I'vealways thought maybe we can find
some of these truths.
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, sure, I mean science is a work in progress.
Yes, right, what should be therarest thing in science is
conclusion.
Right, you know, I mean it'sbecause there are always new
variables, new ways to look atthings.
I mean just the human body,right, it's up to now.
(04:09):
I follow this research.
Now it's 38 trillion cellsRight, 38 trillion cells.
What can go wrong?
Right, exactly, you know, Imean it's a miracle.
The body in and of itself is amiracle.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Right, it's a miracle .
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The body in and of itself is a miracle, right, I
think.
Also, as far as accepting andrespecting science, you have to
understand its limitations.
Right, and there are, you know,a lot of things that we sort of
intuitively know that we can'tprove through some scientific
method yet.
Right, right, you knowshamanism, sorcery, various,
(04:50):
various things that ancientpeople knew, and what the
ancient people knew, that wasscience too.
Yes, all right, you know, it'sjust different than this
proscribed way that we chose togo about it.
You have to also understand oursociety and the limitations in
there, and that's like huge, Imean the way we're conditioned,
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the things we are, you know,expected to accept and that I
couldn't.
And I think that, for me,anyhow, how you know people, how
do you come up with a blueberryand those types of things?
And I have all these other patanswers, but I think that it
boils down to not beingdistracted.
(05:37):
Yeah, and it's the 38 trillioncells.
That's their mission.
They're supposed to fool usinto thinking that this is it
right, which, you know, it's abig part, but it's not it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, in a broader picture, you know,
stepping off just a little bithere is this well, you know how
do I put it the one thing thatis 100% certain in the future.
There's only one thing that's100 percent certain in the
future, and that's death.
Right, right, and so acceptthat, right, and you know, it's
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really, it's just as much of acause for celebration as being
bored.
Yeah, but us that are leftbehind, you know, we miss who
goes on, and so it kind of addsto the distraction a bit.
But when you get to that point,especially with death, where
you come to accept it oh man, somany distractions, just, oh,
(06:37):
well, that's not it.
Yeah, that's, that's the basisof sorcery.
Yes, I mean, it's just thatability to pay attention.
That's the basis of sorcery.
Yes, I mean, it's just thatability to pay attention.
Our attention is the mostpowerful, valuable thing we own.
And then where we put it inthese companies, you know the
social media and what they knowis your clicks have a value.
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And you look at all the time wespend has a value and it goes,
you know, beyond the materialright um, so I thought it was
had enough of a shovel folded no, no, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Recently, I had an experience where I was probably
as close to death as I've everbeen and I was able to direct
and I was able to direct moreattention to this thing than I
ever have before and Iexperienced some things that
I've never experienced before.
I walked in the quantum world ina way that I didn't know was
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possible without assistance andas I'm getting to the other side
of this, I'm watching thedistractions weaken that make it
more difficult to go back.
But I know it's there and youknow I always struggled to
meditate.
It was always this difficultyand I spent an hour in a sauna
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and box, breathing and doing allthe things, and finally get a
moment you know or a glimpse.
And box, breathing and doingall the things, and finally get
a moment you know or a glimpse,and I'm like, really, is that
what I'm made of?
And but I tell you what you get, faced with the darkness coming
at you and you have to makesome decisions.
All of a sudden, all yourattention can go to that place
and you can decide wisely or theway you really want to, and wow
(08:23):
, there's there.
Like you said, that's whereliterally anything is possible
in that place.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And you know, as far as the darkness, that whole
thing, there's a great saying byBuddhists that I employ a lot
of mantra everything is as itshould be, yes, and so I cannot
judge, you know, good evil, thatwhole nine yard, I don't know.
My honest answer is well, Idon't know.
(08:49):
I I have an opinion about how,how certain things should be,
but I again conclusion I can'tcome to a conclusion about
what's right, what's wrong, youknow what I have come to
discover in this journey.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've been on recently in this journey.
I've been on recently and onlywith the things that I've
applied it to, obviously, buteverything I've applied it to
seems to have this element thateverything cuts both ways.
It seems that there reallyaren't, in my experience,
(09:24):
anything that you could say isunequivocally one thing or
another, because there alwaysseems to be a way that well, but
it could, or if you did it thisway, and they're always, it's
just everything I mean, fromoxygen to water, to anything
less necessary anything lessnecessary.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It can cut both ways, yeah, and.
And then the cutting both waysis still in terms of a duality,
right.
So the singularity aspect of it, and this is it's, it's, it's
weird, I, I, I've carried thismessage for a long time and I've
tried to tell these stories.
You know, I'll attempt hereagain, I'm just kind of ahead of
my time.
And so, basically, what I findmyself to be in my meditation
(10:14):
and for, for whatever reasons, Imean, I've had a, I've had a
very odd life.
I've been in a constant stateof meditation since I was a very
small child, and so it's, it'sa little different for me.
But back to the point here,what's left of me when my body
is no more and it passes in mydeep meditations, what I found,
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and the deepest journeys this isthe Buddhisthist quest is the
point of singularity.
It's, it's a point ofperception, a point of
perception that all of these 38trillion cells are interacting
and sending sensory informationback to it's kind of organized.
I, like you know, you look atthe chakras, right, each chakra
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is kind of another point ofperception.
So, point of perception, andwhat goes hand in hand with that
is center of gravity, if we'retalking about a material realm
and a point in a material realm.
Then there's a center ofgravity right and and I there's
a little, I use my own body tokind of emphasize this a little
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bit Well, point of perception.
Realistically, I'm made up ofan infinite number of points of
perception.
So let's take the tip of myindex finger on my left hand.
I know that that's the tip ofmy finger on my left hand, okay,
and it has its identity.
Now, depending on where you lobit off, there's, there's really
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an infinite number.
It's a fluid center of gravityin there.
But that center of gravity isrelated to that perception that
that tip of my finger on theleft, index, whatever, um, so
then we move on from that to thewhole finger same thing, but
the center of gravity now isdifferent.
So is the perception now thisis my whole finger right
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different.
The the tip is part of it.
But this is now something elsewe move on to now my hands, and
same with all of these,depending on where they got
lobbed off, sure, sure, wherethe center of gravity is, it's
fluid and relatively infinite inbrain fart city.
So we're going to go on to myarm Same thing Center of gravity
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, perception, that this is myarm, the whole thing onto my
body.
Okay, now, my whole body hasthis perceptual made up of all
of these, these various parts.
But here's the important gigcenter of gravity in my body is
directly related and connectedto the center of gravity of
planet earth, and the center ofgravity of planet earth is
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directly and immediatelyconnected to the center of
gravity of the sun.
And the center of sun, centerof gravity, and it of gravity
and its point of perception,whatever, is directly connected
to the center of the galaxy.
So, given that little spiel,there's a direct connection.
Direct, this is immediate, it'snot speed of light, it doesn't
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take time.
There is a direct connectionbetween the tip of the finger,
my index finger, on my left hand, and the center of the galaxy,
right.
It's powerful.
My terminologies lately used tobe mostly castaneda, you know, I
I like just the terminologythat that he utilized, which a
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lot of this is coming from.
But now, lately, that's nowbeing dovetailed with Rick and
Morty.
All right, because again, thisconcept of timelines, it's real.
There are infinite timelines ina finite space right in front
of me, going on and on, and onand on.
Another great book yes, I havea copy right here.
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This one I recommend.
Kuhn was great.
He kind of set the stage for it.
But if you're familiar with thisone, oh okay, I haven't read it
, but I know of it.
You know the butterfly effect.
Where that came from was a guynamed Lawrence, studying the
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weather back in 1962, had totranscribe his data, which went
out to nine decimal places.
All right, he wanted to savetime, so he chopped it down to
six decimal places, which turnedout the model didn't run.
Oh, no A little bit ofdifference, and that's where he
then came up.
You know we're talking aboutnine decimal places right right
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temperature, humidity.
so you know 70.12345678 decimalplaces chopped down to six, and
that very tiny little differencehe said well, that's the the
subtlety of a butterfly, wow,wow.
Wings in Brazil can invariablyaffect the weather in New York
City six months down the road.
So there are these subtleconnections of everything and
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this book is so.
It's 1987.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Wow, I'm going to have to get a copy of that and
read it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, and they're cheap.
They're out there, you know,looking at sales, I pick them up
and I pass them out all overthe place because it's so
significant.
Yeah, it's, you know, I alwaysjust the one picture that we all
know the Mandelbrot set, youknow, boom.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And how they go down, and they magnified and they
were, you know, to get, because,again, here's that problem in
science that, oh well, we need aline, there's got to be an end
to small.
Well, you know, according tothis chaos theory, when we went
down, we're talking subatomichere.
What do you get?
Right?
It just keeps going, yeah, yeah.
(15:59):
So the term of self-similarityand that's what the cosmos is
made up of on the micro scale islittle bits and pieces of
itself, right, and this is forme anyhow.
I'm ready to die.
You know who cares Once youknow this stuff, right?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
When I came to that place whereI had to reckon with it, I said
okay, well, if this is what Ineed to do, this is what I need
to do.
And I said I think I have moreto do.
But I was creeping on me in ain a slow and methodical way and
(16:47):
there wasn't like every othertime, was like something
happened, you know, and youyou're like whoa, that was close
, but that you were forced toface your distractions.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, yes, come to terms with them and realize
these are temporary.
Yeah, this is.
This is not a permanence.
This is not who I am.
This is a ride I'm taking.
You know rick and morty Ibrought them up, uh.
Uh, how familiar you are.
There's an arcade game he takesmorty to play called roy.
Okay, the headset on morty andmorty becomes his child, roy,
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all right, and lives his wholelife.
You know, he's a high schoolfootball champion, goes to war,
comes back, gets married,working in a carpet store before
he finally dies.
That's the end of the videogame.
And you know to point out thedistraction that this is in.
So I use that as a referencepoint to say, ok, somewhere I'm
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in the chits and blitz playingDJ, right, you know.
But who am I Right?
That as a reference point tosay, okay, somewhere I'm in the
chits and blitz playing dj,right, you know.
And but who am I right?
Even when we go deep into that,I have to turn off the
distractions yeah, thing that isdj to get to that point.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So see, there is a place where we have that ability
to be aware, or to make adecision, or to say a word or
think a thought.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Do an action Right?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that those are thethings that, again, I don't
begin to understand how it allworks.
It's okay when people startgetting philosophical on me, I'm
like, well, I am just way toosmall for that.
I'm just going to go ahead andexperience what I can and leave
it at that.
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But there is that place wherewe exist.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I wouldn't call it a place, because a place is
putting a noun to it All right.
There's a point of perception.
There you go.
All right, I like that.
And geometry and the definitionof a point.
And a point requires no width,breadth or depth, okay, meaning
it can exist in a state ofnothing, but it has a single
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dimension.
Well, but it has properties.
According to the laws ofgeometry, once you define a
point, there is a potential foran infinite number of lines to
run through that point.
Okay, each one of those linescan have an infinite segment of
points along it and between anytwo given points.
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On any one of those infinitelines is a potential for
infinite points, for infinitepoints.
Simply by defining a point andcoming to that place, I have at
my disposal the equivalent ofinfinity cubed, which is what is
necessary to create this matrix.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Right, I like it.
I like it, that's, that'sthat's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
One one step further to get you know.
One of the biggest distractionswe have is this whole theism
that people have gotten trappedin concepts of God and spirit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
All right, put names on things and personalities and
all this fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But for me they're very simple, very, very simple,
simple.
Both god, whatever, that is,the creative force, and me, my
spiritual self or point ofperception.
We're not nouns, we're verbs.
Yeah, verb, the word being.
The word being is a verb.
Yeah, so I use this noun to dogod's work.
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Right, then, then you're,you're, now what happens is I
like that that as soon as we, ashuman beings, turn that deity
into a noun yeah it's not it'sright that's being what it's
what we say it is.
Yeah, you know you, it could beevil, it could be the demons,
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the devil, but again, I don'tjudge, you know.
Play the story.
Be evil, it could be the demons, the devil, but again I don't
judge, you know.
Let's play the story out right.
Where did the devil come from?
God created the devil.
Why, that being doesn't makemistakes.
So here's the devil's in chargeof death and the dirty work.
Right, god's job, but it's notevil.
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What's evil is human beings.
We do things that make thedevil cringe.
You know we are the evil ones.
What actions we do or we can bevery good, you know beneficent,
you know Christ-like andcompassionate and empathy.
Have it all at our fingertipsand that's our choice.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, exactly that's where it all comes down.
You know it's wild.
I didn't know where ourdiscussion was going to go to.
I love that it's going to thisplace, because I love this place
and a lot of people I couldtalk this way with, so it's
great.
Yeah, yeah, same for me.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I did.
You know.
I'm glad because again, this issort of my dharma yeah, I might
try and do this.
It it doesn't pan out asplanned, people have their
distractions, they take thisinformation.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It kind of sends them off on a glaze off or give you
the crazy look pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, but it's.
I plant seeds.
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's what this is all about.
That's exactly why I operate onthis platform because it's out
there and, at any given time,anybody in the world can access
it, and who knows what willhappen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So I'm curious where, how?
Where are you at now?
I talked to Liz yesterday.
What an angel.
Yeah, so you had another commonthread we have.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Squamish cell.
Yeah, so two years ago or so, Inoticed I had this lump.
I mean, what you're looking atnow is what it was about a year
and a half ago.
I it started to grow.
Um, I, I, it started to growand, uh, I, I'm very strong in
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the head and I believe that Ican heal myself and I know that
my body knows what to do.
So I set my body to go solvethis and, um, well, it it, it
missed the mark and it keptgrowing and at one point I'm
like all right, this isn'tgetting any smaller.
I need to go look at it.
I hadn't been into a doctor in20 years, you know, but I'm like
well, I need to go havesomebody look at this and see
what the heck's going on.
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Well, prior to that, my dadpassed away about eight years
ago and I had the awakening thatI was going to become him.
He was overweight, he haddiabetes, heart disease, all
preventable problems and I washeading down that road.
I subsequently lost 50 pounds,changed the way I live and ate
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and began a journey to health,and so I'm strong, I'm in my
best shape, I've been in many,many years, but I got this lump
sticking on my neck and itwasn't huge.
Again, it was a little biggerthan it is now, but not to what
it became.
I go to the doctor and he goeshuh, you got a lump on your neck
.
I says, yes, I do.
And he says, but looking at youand your basic blood work, he
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goes man, you're so healthy.
He goes, it's probably notcancer because of how healthy
you are.
If something that size was onyour neck and it was cancer, it
would be choking you out, youwouldn't be able to eat and
you'd be losing weight and allthis stuff.
So I'm like, ok.
So in my mind I'm like I'llstill deal with it and
eventually I'll get it cut out.
But I didn't have any goodinsurance and I had to go and
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get all that solved and get someinsurance and and so eventually
, about nine months later, Icome back.
It wasn't getting any betterand I'm still doing, you know,
fasting and diet and exerciseand doing all the right stuff
that's supposed to fix all theproblems.
And it wasn't fixing theproblems.
And I get a CT scan and it comesback.
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Well, at first I had anultrasound.
It came back that it was asolid mass, not a lick, it
wasn't a cyst.
And he said, well, it'sprobably a fatty tumor of some
sort.
You know, it's probably nothingto worry about, but it's gross
and you should probably get ittaken out.
And I'm like, all right, fairenough.
So I get a CT scan nine monthslater and it comes back possible
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squamous cell carcinoma.
And I'm like, oh shit, I don'tlike the sound of that, even
possible.
So I go back to him and he says, look, you should get a biopsy.
And of course my paradigm saysdon't get a biopsy because it's
going to spread.
And my paradigm said well, I'mgoing to start on my cannabis
oil because I know that thatsolves all the cancer problems.
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So I've been making oil for 20years.
I started dosing myself,building up to my dose, and it's
not getting any better.
And so finally I did researchon the biopsy and I discovered
that really the only way they'regoing to really know what it is
for sure is to take a piece ofit and look at it.
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And so I go to this other guyand he says well, there's three
kinds of biopsies.
You can get a teeny littleprick and it may find what you
need, but you may need to getanother one, or you can get a
bigger prick, or I can open thatthing up and take a piece out.
I says you know what?
Take the piece out.
If you're gonna do it, do it.
That was the good news.
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I think it gave me what I need,especially for the future.
Two weeks later and this is nowOctober 14th I get a call.
He says you have squamous cellcarcinoma and it's very
aggressive and you need to getmoving.
And he referred me to a doctor.
Turned out my insurance didn'tcover there.
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They sent me over to UCI.
I began this doctor journey andagain, I'm still taking my oil.
I figured I'm going to give ita good solid three months
evaluate.
I was already on a no sugar, nocarbs, ketogenic diet.
I was again fighting weightvery strong.
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I go see the surgeon first andhe says well, this thing's, and
meanwhile it's getting bigger.
It's about the size of a halfan orange sticking out of my
neck at this point.
And um, he says the surgeongoes well, it's really too big
to operate.
It's wrapping around yourcarotid artery and there's no
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way an operation can get it allout.
And if I leave anything behindit's going to spread.
And so he says what I recommendis radiation and chemo and then
we'll do a surgery.
When it gets smaller, I saysall right, I'll consider that.
You know, right at this point,right now, you know, I mean I'm
doing the supplement sour softtea.
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I'm doing all the things youknow.
You know me, this is now my job, and so I'm researching, I'm
reading pub med articles, I'mI'm going down every rabbit hole
and and I'm trying things oneat a time.
I just like I'm growing a plant.
I didn't do 10 things at a time.
I tried one thing, gave it sometime.
Do I feel a difference?
(28:25):
And I'm relying on my intuitionat this point I'm starting to
become more and more in touchwith my own body, because I had
to, and so I'm starting toacknowledge and understand what
this thing is.
And the problem with cancer isit's you.
And that's very problematic forme, because I'm a son of a
(28:48):
bitch and I'm very smart and I'mvery strong and I'm very strong
willed.
And I'm a son of a bitch andI'm very smart and I'm very
strong and I'm very strongwilled and I'm very cunning and
I've gotten out of a lot of jamsin my life and I said, wow, I'm
up against a very formidablefoe here and I came to recognize
that it's not even necessarilya foe, it's just very confused
and it got lost and it doesn'treally know what it is or what
(29:12):
it's doing, and it's just doingwhat it knows.
And so I stopped being angry atit and I said, well, we're just
going to unconfuse you.
And so in this time so I'mgoing to take a step back About
eight years ago.
(29:37):
About eight years ago, I beganto sit with peyote and I I
connected with uh, some roadmenfrom the northern cheyenne tribe
, got a tp, been doing that fora while.
Covid came along and the tworoadmen I work with died of
covid, or one died of covid, onedied of something else.
I'm sort of without, you know,the ability to connect with this
medicine and it's been verygood medicine for me.
And right around the time ofthis diagnosis, we had planned
(30:03):
me and this guy who doesmushroom stuff an event at my
property and we called it theHolistic Health Symposium and I
thought, well, this is wherewe're going to build my
community.
I'm going to get all thesedifferent people, these
practitioners, different plantmedicines, and we're going to
get together and we'll do anevent and through this event I
(30:25):
met this team of medicine people, salvador and Florina.
And Florina is a Navajo, amazing, amazing woman.
She's a big part of my life nowand connected through this
event turns out she also runsceremonies.
(30:46):
She does a total differentthing.
So the Northern CheyenneArapaho tradition is very strict
, almost like the Catholic mass.
You do it this way, you singthese songs, you drum this way.
It's very, very precise andstrict.
And she does a whole differentthing.
It's out in the open and it'svery festive and yet very
(31:08):
powerful.
So I came to, I met her.
She came out to do a podcastepisode and just see the
property and she ended upbringing Salvador Next thing.
You know she's there till nineo'clock at night, shared a meal
with my wife and I.
We became connected just likethat.
(31:30):
It was just one of those things.
Yeah, it happens every once ina great while.
I subsequently experiencedcombo and she served me combo
for the first time and that'sfrog medicine and combo is a.
It's a purgative medicine thatyou get little burns on your arm
(31:56):
and then they put the frogpoison on.
This stuff is amazing.
It goes through your body andscans you and finds what needs
to go Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Did I recall a piece on that?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, powerful.
Did I recall a piece on that?
Yeah, powerful, powerful.
So after that she did someenergy work on me, literally
cracked me open.
I started getting weepy justeven thinking about that Crazy.
But I became aware that Ihadn't acknowledged my love for
myself in that moment and Irealized, wow, I fucked up.
(32:36):
You know, I am okay.
And so these massivebreakthroughs are happening in
just a breakneck speed.
Quickly after I did combo,within a couple of days, I
realized I need to get rid of somany things and I started
(32:58):
getting rid of things and andand and including people
relationships that were I waspropping up that just didn't
serve my business.
I had a.
I had an office in a warehouse.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
One sec, let me get this yeah, no, go ahead, it's
all good.
I just want to let them knowI'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all good.
Cause when he will break theline, we'll we'll cut this in
two pieces.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
This'll be perfect All right, let me get him on
here.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He'll, he'll call me back later.
No, this is perfect.
I'm actually going to stop therecording and then I'll start it
again and we'll make this thesecond piece.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Hey, how's it going, hey, it's going.
What's going on with you?
Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy
Living Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Grumbine,and I have a very special guest
with me today.
His name is Daniel John and hegoes by DJ for short.
And Dan, welcome to the show.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am well, thanks, Joe.
How about yourself?
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I am fantastic, better than I've been in a long
time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
There's a buddy with me too.
He had to say hi.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Awesome, Awesome, Little cat there.
Awesome, he's over here.
I've known Dan for a littleover 15 years and we met while I
was in the middle of my battlewith the government and being a
cannabis activist and advocateand all those many years.
And a lot of listeners don'teven know that chapter of my
(00:45):
life, but it's all out there.
And we had a mutual friend whowas supporting me while I was
going through my trial and sheput together this event where we
were doing all these workshopsand I've got this botanical
garden and she thought, well,we'll have this great event.
And Dan came down from, I thinkyou were up in Oregon and
(01:09):
stayed in my guest house for aday or two and taught a workshop
there.
And that's how we met and youknow we've just been friends.
Easy to be friends with you, sowelcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, thank you.
And likewise I feel the sameshow.
Well, thank you.
And likewise, you know, I feelthe same way it's click, nice.
So you know we've, we've.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You are a cannabis breeder and you know you.
You are one of the OGs, if youwill, and you know, for anybody
who knows the cannabis world,you know that immortal strain,
blueberry.
This is the guy that came upwith it and all of its offspring
, and we sort of got to knoweach other with that in common.
(01:54):
But we always talked aboutother things.
We always talked about life.
We always talked about thejourney that we're on and deeper
things than just this plantthat was so amazing and
wonderful and at the time Ibelieved it was the most safest
thing in the world.
It turns out life isn't alwayswhat you think it is, and before
(02:14):
we get started, there's a bookthat I came in contact with
fairly recently, by a guy namedDean or John Kuhn, and it's
called the Structure ofScientific Revolution.
Are you familiar with it?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a copy here, Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So so we're speaking from some common ground, and one
of the premises of this is thatwe go through life thinking
things are a certain way andthings are there, that things
are.
There are constants that wecount on and science progresses
along and it builds on itself.
And then, every once in a while, there are constants that we
count on and science progressesalong and it builds on itself,
and then, every once in a while,there's a paradigm shift and
(02:51):
everything we thought was onething turned out it was
something else and everythinghas to change.
But life doesn't work that way.
It's very difficult for that tohappen and even though
discoveries are made and thingsare proven, by the time it hits
mainstream it's 15, 20 yearsdown the road, maybe, if ever,
(03:11):
and we live in that world rightnow with science and medicine
and the understandings of things, especially things like cancer,
and it's a crazy experiencethat I've had to learn the hard
way to turn my experience intothe real paradigm, which is
truth, and that's always been myquest.
(03:35):
You know there's facts andscience and all this, but
there's also truth, and I'vealways thought maybe we can find
some of these truths.
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, sure, I mean science is a work in progress.
Yes, right, what should be therarest thing in science is
conclusion.
Right, you know, I mean it'sbecause there are always new
variables, new ways to look atthings.
I mean just the human body,right, it's up to now.
(04:09):
I follow this research.
Now it's 38 trillion cellsRight, 38 trillion cells.
What can go wrong?
Right, exactly, you know, Imean it's a miracle.
The body in and of itself is amiracle.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Right, it's a miracle .
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The body in and of itself is a miracle, right, I
think.
Also, as far as accepting andrespecting science, you have to
understand its limitations.
Right, and there are, you know,a lot of things that we sort of
intuitively know that we can'tprove through some scientific
method yet.
Right, right, you knowshamanism, sorcery, various,
(04:50):
various things that ancientpeople knew, and what the
ancient people knew, that wasscience too.
Yes, all right, you know, it'sjust different than this
proscribed way that we chose togo about it.
You have to also understand oursociety and the limitations in
there, and that's like huge, Imean the way we're conditioned,
(05:16):
the things we are, you know,expected to accept and that I
couldn't.
And I think that, for me,anyhow, how you know people, how
do you come up with a blueberryand those types of things?
And I have all these other patanswers, but I think that it
boils down to not beingdistracted.
(05:37):
Yeah, and it's the 38 trillioncells.
That's their mission.
They're supposed to fool usinto thinking that this is it
right, which, you know, it's abig part, but it's not it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, in a broader picture, you know,
stepping off just a little bithere is this well, you know how
do I put it the one thing thatis 100% certain in the future.
There's only one thing that's100 percent certain in the
future, and that's death.
Right, right, and so acceptthat, right, and you know, it's
(06:16):
really, it's just as much of acause for celebration as being
bored.
Yeah, but us that are leftbehind, you know, we miss who
goes on, and so it kind of addsto the distraction a bit.
But when you get to that point,especially with death, where
you come to accept it oh man, somany distractions, just, oh,
(06:37):
well, that's not it.
Yeah, that's, that's the basisof sorcery.
Yes, I mean, it's just thatability to pay attention.
That's the basis of sorcery.
Yes, I mean, it's just thatability to pay attention.
Our attention is the mostpowerful, valuable thing we own.
And then where we put it inthese companies, you know the
social media and what they knowis your clicks have a value.
(07:00):
And you look at all the time wespend has a value and it goes,
you know, beyond the materialright um, so I thought it was
had enough of a shovel folded no, no, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Recently, I had an experience where I was probably
as close to death as I've everbeen and I was able to direct
and I was able to direct moreattention to this thing than I
ever have before and Iexperienced some things that
I've never experienced before.
I walked in the quantum world ina way that I didn't know was
(07:36):
possible without assistance andas I'm getting to the other side
of this, I'm watching thedistractions weaken that make it
more difficult to go back.
But I know it's there and youknow I always struggled to
meditate.
It was always this difficultyand I spent an hour in a sauna
(08:00):
and box, breathing and doing allthe things, and finally get a
moment you know or a glimpse.
And box, breathing and doingall the things, and finally get
a moment you know or a glimpse,and I'm like, really, is that
what I'm made of?
And but I tell you what you get, faced with the darkness coming
at you and you have to makesome decisions.
All of a sudden, all yourattention can go to that place
and you can decide wisely or theway you really want to, and wow
(08:23):
, there's there.
Like you said, that's whereliterally anything is possible
in that place.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And you know, as far as the darkness, that whole
thing, there's a great saying byBuddhists that I employ a lot
of mantra everything is as itshould be, yes, and so I cannot
judge, you know, good evil, thatwhole nine yard, I don't know.
My honest answer is well, Idon't know.
(08:49):
I I have an opinion about how,how certain things should be,
but I again conclusion I can'tcome to a conclusion about
what's right, what's wrong, youknow what I have come to
discover in this journey.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've been on recently in this journey.
I've been on recently and onlywith the things that I've
applied it to, obviously, buteverything I've applied it to
seems to have this element thateverything cuts both ways.
It seems that there reallyaren't, in my experience,
(09:24):
anything that you could say isunequivocally one thing or
another, because there alwaysseems to be a way that well, but
it could, or if you did it thisway, and they're always, it's
just everything I mean, fromoxygen to water, to anything
less necessary anything lessnecessary.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It can cut both ways, yeah, and.
And then the cutting both waysis still in terms of a duality,
right.
So the singularity aspect of it, and this is it's, it's, it's
weird, I, I, I've carried thismessage for a long time and I've
tried to tell these stories.
You know, I'll attempt hereagain, I'm just kind of ahead of
my time.
And so, basically, what I findmyself to be in my meditation
(10:14):
and for, for whatever reasons, Imean, I've had a, I've had a
very odd life.
I've been in a constant stateof meditation since I was a very
small child, and so it's, it'sa little different for me.
But back to the point here,what's left of me when my body
is no more and it passes in mydeep meditations, what I found,
(10:42):
and the deepest journeys this isthe Buddhisthist quest is the
point of singularity.
It's, it's a point ofperception, a point of
perception that all of these 38trillion cells are interacting
and sending sensory informationback to it's kind of organized.
I, like you know, you look atthe chakras, right, each chakra
(11:06):
is kind of another point ofperception.
So, point of perception, andwhat goes hand in hand with that
is center of gravity, if we'retalking about a material realm
and a point in a material realm.
Then there's a center ofgravity right and and I there's
a little, I use my own body tokind of emphasize this a little
(11:26):
bit Well, point of perception.
Realistically, I'm made up ofan infinite number of points of
perception.
So let's take the tip of myindex finger on my left hand.
I know that that's the tip ofmy finger on my left hand, okay,
and it has its identity.
Now, depending on where you lobit off, there's, there's really
(11:49):
an infinite number.
It's a fluid center of gravityin there.
But that center of gravity isrelated to that perception that
that tip of my finger on theleft, index, whatever, um, so
then we move on from that to thewhole finger same thing, but
the center of gravity now isdifferent.
So is the perception now thisis my whole finger right
(12:11):
different.
The the tip is part of it.
But this is now something elsewe move on to now my hands, and
same with all of these,depending on where they got
lobbed off, sure, sure, wherethe center of gravity is, it's
fluid and relatively infinite inbrain fart city.
So we're going to go on to myarm Same thing Center of gravity
(12:35):
, perception, that this is myarm, the whole thing onto my
body.
Okay, now, my whole body hasthis perceptual made up of all
of these, these various parts.
But here's the important gigcenter of gravity in my body is
directly related and connectedto the center of gravity of
planet earth, and the center ofgravity of planet earth is
(12:58):
directly and immediatelyconnected to the center of
gravity of the sun.
And the center of sun, centerof gravity, and it of gravity
and its point of perception,whatever, is directly connected
to the center of the galaxy.
So, given that little spiel,there's a direct connection.
Direct, this is immediate, it'snot speed of light, it doesn't
(13:19):
take time.
There is a direct connectionbetween the tip of the finger,
my index finger, on my left hand, and the center of the galaxy,
right.
It's powerful.
My terminologies lately used tobe mostly castaneda, you know, I
I like just the terminologythat that he utilized, which a
(13:41):
lot of this is coming from.
But now, lately, that's nowbeing dovetailed with Rick and
Morty.
All right, because again, thisconcept of timelines, it's real.
There are infinite timelines ina finite space right in front
of me, going on and on, and onand on.
Another great book yes, I havea copy right here.
(14:06):
This one I recommend.
Kuhn was great.
He kind of set the stage for it.
But if you're familiar with thisone, oh okay, I haven't read it
, but I know of it.
You know the butterfly effect.
Where that came from was a guynamed Lawrence, studying the
(14:29):
weather back in 1962, had totranscribe his data, which went
out to nine decimal places.
All right, he wanted to savetime, so he chopped it down to
six decimal places, which turnedout the model didn't run.
Oh, no A little bit ofdifference, and that's where he
then came up.
You know we're talking aboutnine decimal places right right
(14:52):
temperature, humidity.
so you know 70.12345678 decimalplaces chopped down to six, and
that very tiny little differencehe said well, that's the the
subtlety of a butterfly, wow,wow.
Wings in Brazil can invariablyaffect the weather in New York
City six months down the road.
So there are these subtleconnections of everything and
(15:15):
this book is so.
It's 1987.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Wow, I'm going to have to get a copy of that and
read it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, and they're cheap.
They're out there, you know,looking at sales, I pick them up
and I pass them out all overthe place because it's so
significant.
Yeah, it's, you know, I alwaysjust the one picture that we all
know the Mandelbrot set, youknow, boom.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And how they go down, and they magnified and they
were, you know, to get, because,again, here's that problem in
science that, oh well, we need aline, there's got to be an end
to small.
Well, you know, according tothis chaos theory, when we went
down, we're talking subatomichere.
What do you get?
Right?
It just keeps going, yeah, yeah.
(15:59):
So the term of self-similarityand that's what the cosmos is
made up of on the micro scale islittle bits and pieces of
itself, right, and this is forme anyhow.
I'm ready to die.
You know who cares Once youknow this stuff, right?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
When I came to that place whereI had to reckon with it, I said
okay, well, if this is what Ineed to do, this is what I need
to do.
And I said I think I have moreto do.
But I was creeping on me in ain a slow and methodical way and
(16:47):
there wasn't like every othertime, was like something
happened, you know, and youyou're like whoa, that was close
, but that you were forced toface your distractions.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes, yes, come to terms with them and realize
these are temporary.
Yeah, this is.
This is not a permanence.
This is not who I am.
This is a ride I'm taking.
You know rick and morty Ibrought them up, uh.
Uh, how familiar you are.
There's an arcade game he takesmorty to play called roy.
Okay, the headset on morty andmorty becomes his child, roy,
(17:20):
all right, and lives his wholelife.
You know, he's a high schoolfootball champion, goes to war,
comes back, gets married,working in a carpet store before
he finally dies.
That's the end of the videogame.
And you know to point out thedistraction that this is in.
So I use that as a referencepoint to say, ok, somewhere I'm
(17:42):
in the chits and blitz playingDJ, right, you know.
But who am I Right?
That as a reference point tosay, okay, somewhere I'm in the
chits and blitz playing dj,right, you know.
And but who am I right?
Even when we go deep into that,I have to turn off the
distractions yeah, thing that isdj to get to that point.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So see, there is a place where we have that ability
to be aware, or to make adecision, or to say a word or
think a thought.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Do an action Right?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that those are thethings that, again, I don't
begin to understand how it allworks.
It's okay when people startgetting philosophical on me, I'm
like, well, I am just way toosmall for that.
I'm just going to go ahead andexperience what I can and leave
it at that.
(18:43):
But there is that place wherewe exist.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
I wouldn't call it a place, because a place is
putting a noun to it All right.
There's a point of perception.
There you go.
All right, I like that.
And geometry and the definitionof a point.
And a point requires no width,breadth or depth, okay, meaning
it can exist in a state ofnothing, but it has a single
(19:13):
dimension.
Well, but it has properties.
According to the laws ofgeometry, once you define a
point, there is a potential foran infinite number of lines to
run through that point.
Okay, each one of those linescan have an infinite segment of
points along it and between anytwo given points.
(19:35):
On any one of those infinitelines is a potential for
infinite points, for infinitepoints.
Simply by defining a point andcoming to that place, I have at
my disposal the equivalent ofinfinity cubed, which is what is
necessary to create this matrix.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Right, I like it.
I like it, that's, that'sthat's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
One one step further to get you know.
One of the biggest distractionswe have is this whole theism
that people have gotten trappedin concepts of God and spirit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
All right, put names on things and personalities and
all this fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But for me they're very simple, very, very simple,
simple.
Both god, whatever, that is,the creative force, and me, my
spiritual self or point ofperception.
We're not nouns, we're verbs.
Yeah, verb, the word being.
The word being is a verb.
Yeah, so I use this noun to dogod's work.
(20:41):
Right, then, then you're,you're, now what happens is I
like that that as soon as we, ashuman beings, turn that deity
into a noun yeah it's not it'sright that's being what it's
what we say it is.
Yeah, you know you, it could beevil, it could be the demons,
(21:02):
the devil, but again, I don'tjudge, you know.
Play the story.
Be evil, it could be the demons, the devil, but again I don't
judge, you know.
Let's play the story out right.
Where did the devil come from?
God created the devil.
Why, that being doesn't makemistakes.
So here's the devil's in chargeof death and the dirty work.
Right, god's job, but it's notevil.
(21:25):
What's evil is human beings.
We do things that make thedevil cringe.
You know we are the evil ones.
What actions we do or we can bevery good, you know beneficent,
you know Christ-like andcompassionate and empathy.
Have it all at our fingertipsand that's our choice.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, exactly that's where it all comes down.
You know it's wild.
I didn't know where ourdiscussion was going to go to.
I love that it's going to thisplace, because I love this place
and a lot of people I couldtalk this way with, so it's
great.
Yeah, yeah, same for me.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I did.
You know.
I'm glad because again, this issort of my dharma yeah, I might
try and do this.
It it doesn't pan out asplanned, people have their
distractions, they take thisinformation.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It kind of sends them off on a glaze off or give you
the crazy look pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, but it's.
I plant seeds.
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's what this is all about.
That's exactly why I operate onthis platform because it's out
there and, at any given time,anybody in the world can access
it, and who knows what willhappen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So I'm curious where, how?
Where are you at now?
I talked to Liz yesterday.
What an angel.
Yeah, so you had another commonthread we have.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Squamish cell.
Yeah, so two years ago or so, Inoticed I had this lump.
I mean, what you're looking atnow is what it was about a year
and a half ago.
I it started to grow.
Um, I, I, it started to growand, uh, I, I'm very strong in
(23:10):
the head and I believe that Ican heal myself and I know that
my body knows what to do.
So I set my body to go solvethis and, um, well, it it, it
missed the mark and it keptgrowing and at one point I'm
like all right, this isn'tgetting any smaller.
I need to go look at it.
I hadn't been into a doctor in20 years, you know, but I'm like
well, I need to go havesomebody look at this and see
what the heck's going on.
(23:31):
Well, prior to that, my dadpassed away about eight years
ago and I had the awakening thatI was going to become him.
He was overweight, he haddiabetes, heart disease, all
preventable problems and I washeading down that road.
I subsequently lost 50 pounds,changed the way I live and ate
(24:01):
and began a journey to health,and so I'm strong, I'm in my
best shape, I've been in many,many years, but I got this lump
sticking on my neck and itwasn't huge.
Again, it was a little biggerthan it is now, but not to what
it became.
I go to the doctor and he goeshuh, you got a lump on your neck
.
I says, yes, I do.
And he says, but looking at youand your basic blood work, he
(24:24):
goes man, you're so healthy.
He goes, it's probably notcancer because of how healthy
you are.
If something that size was onyour neck and it was cancer, it
would be choking you out, youwouldn't be able to eat and
you'd be losing weight and allthis stuff.
So I'm like, ok.
So in my mind I'm like I'llstill deal with it and
eventually I'll get it cut out.
But I didn't have any goodinsurance and I had to go and
(24:46):
get all that solved and get someinsurance and and so eventually
, about nine months later, Icome back.
It wasn't getting any betterand I'm still doing, you know,
fasting and diet and exerciseand doing all the right stuff
that's supposed to fix all theproblems.
And it wasn't fixing theproblems.
And I get a CT scan and it comesback.
(25:08):
Well, at first I had anultrasound.
It came back that it was asolid mass, not a lick, it
wasn't a cyst.
And he said, well, it'sprobably a fatty tumor of some
sort.
You know, it's probably nothingto worry about, but it's gross
and you should probably get ittaken out.
And I'm like, all right, fairenough.
So I get a CT scan nine monthslater and it comes back possible
(25:32):
squamous cell carcinoma.
And I'm like, oh shit, I don'tlike the sound of that, even
possible.
So I go back to him and he says, look, you should get a biopsy.
And of course my paradigm saysdon't get a biopsy because it's
going to spread.
And my paradigm said well, I'mgoing to start on my cannabis
oil because I know that thatsolves all the cancer problems.
(25:53):
So I've been making oil for 20years.
I started dosing myself,building up to my dose, and it's
not getting any better.
And so finally I did researchon the biopsy and I discovered
that really the only way they'regoing to really know what it is
for sure is to take a piece ofit and look at it.
(26:16):
And so I go to this other guyand he says well, there's three
kinds of biopsies.
You can get a teeny littleprick and it may find what you
need, but you may need to getanother one, or you can get a
bigger prick, or I can open thatthing up and take a piece out.
I says you know what?
Take the piece out.
If you're gonna do it, do it.
That was the good news.
(26:37):
I think it gave me what I need,especially for the future.
Two weeks later and this is nowOctober 14th I get a call.
He says you have squamous cellcarcinoma and it's very
aggressive and you need to getmoving.
And he referred me to a doctor.
Turned out my insurance didn'tcover there.
(26:59):
They sent me over to UCI.
I began this doctor journey andagain, I'm still taking my oil.
I figured I'm going to give ita good solid three months
evaluate.
I was already on a no sugar, nocarbs, ketogenic diet.
I was again fighting weightvery strong.
(27:22):
I go see the surgeon first andhe says well, this thing's, and
meanwhile it's getting bigger.
It's about the size of a halfan orange sticking out of my
neck at this point.
And um, he says the surgeongoes well, it's really too big
to operate.
It's wrapping around yourcarotid artery and there's no
(27:43):
way an operation can get it allout.
And if I leave anything behindit's going to spread.
And so he says what I recommendis radiation and chemo and then
we'll do a surgery.
When it gets smaller, I saysall right, I'll consider that.
You know, right at this point,right now, you know, I mean I'm
doing the supplement sour softtea.
(28:04):
I'm doing all the things youknow.
You know me, this is now my job, and so I'm researching, I'm
reading pub med articles, I'mI'm going down every rabbit hole
and and I'm trying things oneat a time.
I just like I'm growing a plant.
I didn't do 10 things at a time.
I tried one thing, gave it sometime.
Do I feel a difference?
(28:25):
And I'm relying on my intuitionat this point I'm starting to
become more and more in touchwith my own body, because I had
to, and so I'm starting toacknowledge and understand what
this thing is.
And the problem with cancer isit's you.
And that's very problematic forme, because I'm a son of a
(28:48):
bitch and I'm very smart and I'mvery strong and I'm very strong
willed.
And I'm a son of a bitch andI'm very smart and I'm very
strong and I'm very strongwilled and I'm very cunning and
I've gotten out of a lot of jamsin my life and I said, wow, I'm
up against a very formidablefoe here and I came to recognize
that it's not even necessarilya foe, it's just very confused
and it got lost and it doesn'treally know what it is or what
(29:12):
it's doing, and it's just doingwhat it knows.
And so I stopped being angry atit and I said, well, we're just
going to unconfuse you.
And so in this time so I'mgoing to take a step back About
eight years ago.
(29:37):
About eight years ago, I beganto sit with peyote and I I
connected with uh, some roadmenfrom the northern cheyenne tribe
, got a tp, been doing that fora while.
Covid came along and the tworoadmen I work with died of
covid, or one died of covid, onedied of something else.
I'm sort of without, you know,the ability to connect with this
medicine and it's been verygood medicine for me.
And right around the time ofthis diagnosis, we had planned
(30:03):
me and this guy who doesmushroom stuff an event at my
property and we called it theHolistic Health Symposium and I
thought, well, this is wherewe're going to build my
community.
I'm going to get all thesedifferent people, these
practitioners, different plantmedicines, and we're going to
get together and we'll do anevent and through this event I
(30:25):
met this team of medicine people, salvador and Florina.
And Florina is a Navajo, amazing, amazing woman.
She's a big part of my life nowand connected through this
event turns out she also runsceremonies.
(30:46):
She does a total differentthing.
So the Northern CheyenneArapaho tradition is very strict
, almost like the Catholic mass.
You do it this way, you singthese songs, you drum this way.
It's very, very precise andstrict.
And she does a whole differentthing.
It's out in the open and it'svery festive and yet very
(31:08):
powerful.
So I came to, I met her.
She came out to do a podcastepisode and just see the
property and she ended upbringing Salvador Next thing.
You know she's there till nineo'clock at night, shared a meal
with my wife and I.
We became connected just likethat.
(31:30):
It was just one of those things.
Yeah, it happens every once ina great while.
I subsequently experiencedcombo and she served me combo
for the first time and that'sfrog medicine and combo is a.
It's a purgative medicine thatyou get little burns on your arm
(31:56):
and then they put the frogpoison on.
This stuff is amazing.
It goes through your body andscans you and finds what needs
to go Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Did I recall a piece on that?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, powerful.
Did I recall a piece on that?
Yeah, powerful, powerful.
So after that she did someenergy work on me, literally
cracked me open.
I started getting weepy justeven thinking about that Crazy.
But I became aware that Ihadn't acknowledged my love for
myself in that moment and Irealized, wow, I fucked up.
(32:36):
You know, I am okay.
And so these massivebreakthroughs are happening in
just a breakneck speed.
Quickly after I did combo,within a couple of days, I
realized I need to get rid of somany things and I started
(32:58):
getting rid of things and andand and including people
relationships that were I waspropping up that just didn't
serve my business.
I had a.
I had an office in a warehouse.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
One sec, let me get this yeah, no, go ahead, it's
all good.
I just want to let them knowI'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all good.
Cause when he will break theline, we'll we'll cut this in
two pieces.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
This'll be perfect All right, let me get him on
here.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He'll, he'll call me back later.
No, this is perfect.
I'm actually going to stop therecording and then I'll start it
again and we'll make this thesecond piece.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Hey, how's it going, hey, it's going.
What's going on with you?
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