December 3, 2024 • 64 mins
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Have you ever felt a deep, unspoken connection with nature that seems to unlock hidden parts of yourself? In this episode, I’m joined by Jessica Allen, a flower witch and feminine ritualist, as we explore the profound teachings of plant medicine and the rituals that can transform our daily lives. Jessica shares her transformative journey from childhood experiences with nature to discovering how yoga helped her articulate the powerful messages she’d always felt from the earth.
Through the lens of lavender, Jessica reveals the subtle yet transformative power of plants in guiding our intuition and helping us embrace our authentic selves. We discuss the delicate dance between mind and heart, where the mind is a problem-solver, but the heart leads with wisdom and deep connection. This episode delves into how cultivating practices of intuition and somatic work can help women reclaim their feminine energy and body sovereignty, ultimately living a more connected, heart-led life.
Join us in this conversation about self-awareness, internal guidance, and the path to becoming an ‘earth warrior’—living with courage, grace, and a deep sense of connection to the natural world.
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Jenee (00:06):
Welcome to the Heartlight Sessions, a podcast about light
working your way through darktimes.
I'm Janae Halstead.
I'm a singer-songwriter,holistic vocal coach, intuitive
guide and plant medicinefacilitator.
I'm also a survivor ofchildhood abuse, autoimmune
issues and my 30s.
I'm also a survivor ofchildhood abuse, autoimmune
issues and my 30s.
I'm on a lifelong healingjourney and, along the way, I
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want to share the ideas andteachings that rock my world.
Every week on HeartlightSessions, I call in artists,
healers and thinkers to explorewhat's helped them live and
thrive from a heart-centeredplace, because the heart, it's
where the best things happen.
If you've ever wondered how tounlock your biggest
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breakthroughs or how to comeback from that stuff that tried
to kill you, you know the stuffI'm talking about, the stuff
that's supposed to make youstronger.
Or if you've ever wondered howto just do you straight from the
heart, you're in the rightplace.
So join me, won't you?
Let's turn on that heart light.
I am so excited to have JessicaAllen with me today.
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She is a flower witch andfeminine ritualist.
She teaches you how to workwith plant consciousness and
ignite sovereignty throughritual, and I just thought your
one-line bio was so perfect andmagical I was like I'll go with
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that.
Is there anything you wouldlike bend into that bio?
Jessica (01:47):
Thank you for asking Funny, because it's been such a
challenging thing for me to tryand dial something in Like how
do you compartmentalize so muchwork, you know?
So I'm glad that feels resonant.
Thank you, you know, in thismoment, I think the term
feminine ritualist is really thething that it can encompass
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everything that I do.
So we'll leave it at that fornow, and dive in.
Jenee (02:18):
It's all the things that I love and that make me, you
know, alive and feeling goodflowers and and ritual, and
sovereignty.
And so I was like, oh, I haveto have one.
This is like you know, justlike through your Instagram,
like yum, yum, yum, yum.
Oh, thank you so much.
(02:39):
Yeah, can you tell me a littlebit about how you got started in
this work and how the flowerconsciousness started to
communicate with you?
Jessica (03:12):
I was always like a very spiritual being, very
connected to the fairy realmsand spent a lot of time in the
stream, in the back of my houseand in nature in general, and
always felt a deep communicationto the elements, like from the
trees and the waters and therocks and the waters and the
rocks, and it was where I reallyfelt home and where I
understood, even as like a veryyoung person I'm talking under
seven years old like what Godmeant to me.
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You know what that likeuniversal connection, feeling
like I understood that very,very young, um, like I
understood that very, very young.
And so I've always had thatreal, deep connection to
listening to nature.
You know, listening to the landand the trees are always, you
know, a big, big um messenger orfriend actually to me, to me
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and, um, you know, fast forwardwhatever life.
And in my um, sorry, when I was18, I started yoga.
Yoga came to me in a, in amoment of my life and, um, I was
in some seriously gnarly darkdisassociative.
A big pocket of my life wasthere and yoga was the first
thing that started giving me alanguage for the experiences
that I had, because I was havingthese connections.
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But there was this insanedissonance from the outside
world that I experienced growingup in like classic suburbia,
you know, and no examples ofwhat I felt inside or what I
felt life, you know, was meaningfor me.
So yoga started giving me alanguage to the energetics of
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the body and the energy body aswell, not only the physical body
and I started training andstudying.
I started teaching when I was26 and left.
I had a job for a hot minuteand left that and just went
fully into it saying we'll getback to this.
(05:26):
But really the origin of myentire healing journey was
mending the connection to myinner voice, you know, because I
had this deep knowing this,like you know, really intense,
like understanding within myselfand then very confused looking
at the world.
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I moved to New York City when Iwas 21.
I can still remember being onthe train, being like what is
going on?
Does anybody care about wherethey're going?
Why are they going there?
What's happening?
You know what is going on hereand um and just so much of my
internal struggle and thedarkness that was really
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manifesting, had manifested inmy life, was a result of not
being able to live what I wasbeing told from my heart,
because everything outside of mewas like you can't do that.
No, it's not like that.
It's like you know all this,like what I call
whack-a-mole-ing.
You know that whack-a-mole gamewhere you're just like boom,
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you know boom.
You just kind of keep gettingknocked down.
So, basically, when I was 24, Idecided I don't like anything.
Everything in my world is like.
I was very clear, like.
I was like I don't like myboyfriend, I don't like my job,
I don't like where I live, and Ifeel totally stuck.
And that was the moment that Iwas like and I'm choosing it.
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I'm making this choice.
I'm waking up every single dayand going to that job.
I'm waking up and saying yes tothis relationship.
I'm waking up and saying yes towhere my, where I live.
And it's my responsibility tojust make a different decision
and figure it out from there.
And that's when I reallystarted to go.
I don't care what anybodyoutside of me says.
I'm going to turn my listeninginward to my heart and I'm just
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going to courageously startfollowing it, no matter what.
And one of my things I share alot and I still do this in my
life is I say when I want tochange a pattern.
You know, I say let's play agame, let's play a game, make it
a game Right.
And?
And what if I do this?
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Let's play this game.
What if I just listen to myheart and I follow it?
Like what, what will my life be?
And so?
And then, alongside that mantra, I have the have a plan B, but
never plan to use it.
This is like my, my little hackfor keeping the mind at ease,
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like it's okay's okay, we canalways go back, we can always
find something else, like let'sjust play this game over here.
And so, anyway, I startedplaying the game.
I started playing that game andever since, yeah, I changed
everything and have just beenfollowing my heart.
So yoga was really the mainthing that reconnected me to my
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body and my intuition andstarted me on the path of living
from my internal world and whatI really feel is a sovereign
existence, right when I move, aslife is guiding me, as my heart
is guiding me, and I trust thatand I follow it and I stay
devoted to that, regardless ofwhat is going on in the external
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world.
And I started working with someplant medicines in my late
twenties.
I never experimented with anypsychedelic medicines prior to
that.
It was like always somethingthat seemed very scary to me and
I didn't have like a goodanyone to show me like a
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positive purpose to working withthem.
And then someone came into mylife and introduced them to me
in this way of like no, we workwith this medicine to heal and
to explore consciousness.
And I said, okay, I can getdown with that.
This I can get down with,totally relate to this, yeah.
And then I was like, oh, okay,this is basically at that point
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in my path, when I had said I'mjust going to play this game,
those medicines said you'redoing it, girl, you're right.
It showed me, it affirmedeverything in that visual way
that we so often need to seethings.
It showed me, I saw it and Isaid, and it just really
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anchored me into into my pathand into the decisions that I
had made.
So I started working with plantmedicine then and went through a
series of different, a coupleof different medicines and then
um, and different lineages aswell.
I was brought into one medicinelineage.
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Really, someone had invited mein.
I wasn't like really seekingthe medicine, but a woman who
was teaching yoga with me saidcome along, I think you would
love this.
And I said, okay, I'm down, youknow.
And so sat with a lineage thatwas multi-cultural and like,
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very like in a teepee with thebig fire and lots of different
songs and very kind of likeuplifting, and that was
beautiful and I did that for abit.
And then something in me wasjust not like totally aligned
with the whole frequency of thatspace and I released it for a
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bit.
And then I met my partner andhe introduced me to a Shipibo
lineage, which then introducedme to working with master plants
.
And at a certain point in mymedicine journey I received a
pretty clear message that waslike you're, like, you have come
as far as you can go with themedicine alone and if you want
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to continue on this path youhave to start working with
master plants, otherwise, likewe've, you get out of the boat.
Jenee (11:44):
Basically, you know, it.
Jessica (11:46):
We've carried you as far as we can carry you with
this.
You want to go further.
You have to start working withthe plants.
So it's kind of like this fullcircle thing.
Is that the the first, you know, dieta I did was a tree.
You know, this is like bringingme all the way back to feeling
this amazing connection withthese trees as a child and and
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so it just made sense in my, inmy body, to be a student of the
earth, right, because I alwaysfelt that connection and
studentship and had thatguidance and teachings coming
from the earth, and so that'swhat really opened me to working
with the master plants.
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And it was actually on my firstdiet that I had this vision.
I was like I just I want to bea flower, I want to be a garden,
you know, and I've neveractually been like super drawn
to flowers in my life.
It was something that I coulddefinitely have been like more
on the trees and the waters, youknow.
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And then all of a sudden, thislike flower consciousness opened
up around me on this first dietand I started getting falling
in love with flowers and startedmoving into dieting flowers and
um, yeah, so I have a few.
That's a big part of like.
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I mean, that's kind of whatopened me mysteriously to like
the flower realms and, um, Ihave also done, you know,
women's work and somatic workand ritual work and as far as
continuing the, the feminineembodiment of practice, the
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flowers are just so that right,so they're so easy to integrate
into that essence which is a lotof my also, my healing, and
what I am, you know, very calledto bring to others and and
support.
Jenee (13:52):
Yeah, that seems like you have a really deep relationship
with lavender and I'm that wasthe first flower that kind of
connected with you on thisjourney Um, and I would love for
you to tell the audience kindof how that opened up for you
and helped you heal.
Jessica (14:11):
Yeah, totally Fun fact about lavender is I used to hate
lavender?
Wow, yeah, because you.
You know like I've been in theyoga world for so long, you know
they're always like lavender inthe spas and lavender with it
and I was just like God.
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You know, I wasn't really intoflowers.
I was, like you know, one ofvery grounding essences.
Like the flowers were like veryetheric and like the floral
sense also didn't attract me.
I always wanted warmth and likereally deep earth energy.
So lavender, I just was like,oh, I can't stand it.
Oh, I know it's so funny.
(14:55):
And yeah, then I did a dietwith lavender.
Lavender was actually the firstflower that I that I dieted.
Um and um, there's a creature,creature in here and it's
entered um fairy.
(15:16):
Uh huh, we'll call it that forsure yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
So, yeah, I, you know I was kindof I went into it just like
super excited because I wantedto start working with the
flowers and so I was like allright, let's go.
This was the one that presentedherself to me and I had a
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really deep experience withlavender.
Oftentimes, you know, like Ithink obviously we understand
lavender to be a presence ofcalming right, a nervous system
down regulator, just like anoverall, you know, know,
supporting you with rest, whichis why it's used in all of these
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spaces and spas and you know,yoga rooms and places that we
are moving into that rest, andthe first thing lavender showed
me was true to that, like all ofthe places that I was carrying
way too much in my life, all ofthe places that I was pushing
and trying way too hard, and whyall of that was was causing me
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exhaustion, why it wasn'tworking, and like what I needed
actually to bring into my lifein order to sustain what I am
creating and holding, and it wasvery devastating for me.
I've heard Lavender alsodescribed as being one for inner
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child, but also having achildlike energy.
I haven't had so much of that,you know.
I think that there is a lot of,or what I have found over the
years of working with plants inthis way, is that there is
objectivity to properties andfrequencies that these plants
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hold, but that they're also verysubjective right that they meet
us where we are and we meetthem.
You know our consciousness meeteach other in relationship.
Just as you would meet differentpeople, you have different
kinds of relationships withdifferent people, even though
those people are the same person.
Everyone has differentconnections and, um, so Lavender
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really just has been, over theyears that I've been working
with her, become like thefoundation actually of my um, of
of how I care for myself, um,and she's presented herself also
as this, like the ground inwhich everything can rest, that
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that if we ourselves can becomethis rich soil for receptivity,
soil for receptivity, thateverything can kind of grow, you
know, from that capacity, fromthat resource, from that
nourishment and I know we'regoing to wrap around to this but
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then she's also presentedherself as like the pathway to
the intuitive voice, because inorder to really hear, you have
to really be soft, you have toreally be, you have to relax the
body of contraction, of holdingand tension, right it like, you
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have to open and let go andsoften enough that you can
really feel that the listeningis coming from a feeling and she
supports.
She supports that listening.
Jenee (19:15):
That's profound.
The listening is coming from afeeling and she supports that
that feeling.
That's so incredible.
I can feel lavender in right now.
I can feel how it, what it doesto my nervous system and my
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subtle, subtle body, just by,like bringing in the
consciousness, and how much sheattunes the subtle body, the
energy body, to really you,really, as it down regulates the
nervous system.
You start to feel yourenergetic body, your subtle body
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, sort of come online.
It's almost like a breath, likeah, I'm there, oh, okay, and
then the grounding comes in.
And it's funny because I had acup of coffee this morning and
I'm like just pulling in theconsciousness of lavender and
I'm like, oh, thank you, thankyou.
Let's talk a little bit aboutintuition and how lavender
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started to guide you in that wayI'm sure there were other plant
medicines that also did but howshe's been your teacher on like
really learning how to listento your intuition and also a
little bit of the differencebetween you know the voice of
fear versus you know how can wehear intuition and hone it and
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follow that path when thosevoices of fear come up, you know
.
Jessica (20:56):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So, you know, since I havereally been in deep practice
with just living in alignmentwith my intuitive voice and my
heart for so long like well overa decade at this point and I
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can honestly say that there'sabsolutely nothing that I have
done over the past decade of mylife that has not been fully
guided from my internal world,Wow.
And so you know, for me,lavender has been working with
me over the years in manydifferent ways, but I have been.
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I am a being of service, right,I?
We are all beings of service inour own ways, but I teach
practices and ritual and I teachpeople how to have practices
and connect with themselves, andI teach people how to listen to
their intuitions.
And so when I was receiving thedownload to start teaching
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people how to work with plantsas teachers, lavender came and
said you know, and I will be thefoundational intuition guide
because of what you were justsaying, you know, when she comes
in, she's just like it's allgood, just like lean back take
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it down.
Take it down take a breath, feelyour breath, you know.
Let the nervous system shiftinto parasympathetic.
Feel the ground beneath you,listen, which is the foundation
of understanding and andtrusting.
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Ultimately, you know themessages that are coming from
your heart and knowing, you knowto your point the messages that
are coming from your heart,which ones are the heart
messages, which one are the fearmessages, which one are the
doubt or things like this, um,and discerning also, I mean it's
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, it's, it's such a fine-tunedlistening really to know, like
the intuitive pull which is whyI said the listening is a
feeling, intuitive listening isa felt sense.
It's like there's an actual attimes, there's an understanding
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that comes through like afeeling, before it comes in the
form of words and thought.
Before it comes in the form ofwords and thought, you might,
even one might even be feelingcalled or a magnetism, a
magnetic, you know, pull towardssomething like that doesn't
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exactly have the answer yet andit will reveal itself, but that,
like physical calling's, youknow, and a good way to feel
into it is like, really simpledoes this make me feel lighter?
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Does it make me feel moreexpansive in my soma, in my body
, or does it make me feelheavier, dense or contracted and
like?
You don't even have to go intostory at that point, you just go
into like, does it make me feellighter.
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Does it make me feel lighter?
Does it make me feel heavier?
And if it makes you feellighter, there's truth, and if
it makes you feel heavier,there's not.
And this is complex right,because it's not to say that we
are not going to feel fear as wemove towards the things in our
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life that are calling us forward.
Right, it's not that it's likewe're not talking path of least
resistance here, because oftenthere is a lot of resistance on
the right path.
Jenee (25:30):
Yes.
Jessica (25:31):
So there is this, is there's a lot of that fine
tuning, refinement, right, we'renot just like, oh, this is
going to be this beautiful openthing, this makes me feel
lighter, everything's going tobe like that.
It's like okay initially if theessence of the call is like yes
, but then also like, oh, my God, this is going to ask so much
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of me.
But then this is where you knowyou become a warrior in life
and this is where you know youbecome a warrior in life.
As I always say, the plantsmake us earth warriors.
So yeah, just to kind of looparound to that listening, is
that Lavender is really sayingI'm going to?
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open this field of listening foryou and hold you in a space
where you can listen.
One final thing I'll say aboutthis is is that you know I've
been a practitioner for 20 yearsand I have studied so many
modalities of practice.
You know, I healed my selfinitially through practice,
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through the practices that I didfor myself.
Therapy is like talking topeople, like these things didn't
help me.
I needed the physicalexperience of the practice, and
even when I was a full-time yogateacher and doing all of this,
I still really struggled withhaving a daily practice and it
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took me a long time to establishthat.
And now, of course, it's beenmany, many years of having like
a very non-negotiable practice.
But what I have found and I'veguided so many people through
creating that ritual or practice, or what I refer to as a
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listening space you have tolisten to yourself every day for
a period of time as afoundation to your life, and
this is something that I've beenhelping people with for many
years.
And what I have found is thatwe're only going to show up for
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something if we really like it.
It doesn't matter if we knowhow good meditating every
morning is for us.
It doesn't matter if we knowhow beneficial you know because
we don't know it until we reallyembody it.
Even if we know it from like,oh, I should be doing this, oh,
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I know I should be doing that, Iknow I should be doing that,
but until you really do it youdon't actually know from
experience why.
Yeah Right, like we only knowfrom experience.
So until I have had a dailypractice for one, two months,
consistently, consistently, Idon't actually know what my life
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is going to look and feel likewhen I have that.
So it's a lot of like,especially at this point, that
you know everyone knows youshould be meditating or everyone
knows you should have right.
But even if you know howpotentially good it's going to
be for you, if you don't want todo the thing, you're not going
to do the thing.
So, after years of working withpeople trying to find a way in,
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it's like, let's find a way inhow do we make you want to do
this?
How do we make it accessible?
Make it accessible.
It's really been through thefeminine ritual that I have
found the easiest way to devoteyourself to yourself.
Essentially is what having apractice is.
I'm not devoting to thepractice, I'm devoted to the
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practice, because I'm devoted tomy own heart, I'm devoted to
knowing myself and living in mytruth for myself and the world.
And so what the feminine?
When I say feminine ritual, Imean something that engages your
senses, something that is likedelicious and beautiful and
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supported and resources you,something that you know like
when you sit down you're likethis is going to be nourishing
and even if I'm processingsomething really effing,
challenging in my life, that I'mgoing to be resourced and held
in this space.
And this is where the plantshave really come in to support
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the frequency field, the smellsyou know, and create this
energetic hug, speak and hold usin practice and know that there
are these tools, allies, reallyto support us in staying true
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to our own heart.
So that's really where that haskind of come in after all of
these years of actually like alot of masculine disciplines to
moving into the femininedevotion of practice.
Jenee (30:37):
Oh, I love this so much.
I am doing the rose dieta rightnow with Kat Gordon and we're
on the fourth week and I justreally, this week, kind of, I've
been, you know, setting my.
I always have an altar but I'mnot always like so active with
it, but I'm not always like soactive with it.
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Um, I I have a tendency to bemuch, much more active in the
fall.
Um, living in Phoenix, and youknow it's like, uh, you know,
fall is just my favorite time ofyear.
But, um, through this, this diet, uh, I've had this chance every
single day to go to my altarand be with the rose and the
rose consciousness and have myrose tea and, you know, light
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the incense.
And I, finally, this week, waslike this, is it?
This is what's going to get meto show up, like it's these
things of feeling so loved andheld and nurtured, and it's like
you're not doing it yourself,like Rose is there for me.
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Because I'm working with Roseright now.
She is holding the space for meto sit down and get in front of
my altar and to sit down withmy journal and start writing and
start breathing.
And I had, you know, I was ahardcore kundalini practitioner
for years and would just be likedriving myself, like you know,
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get up and do the work, and youknow, it was really like, like
you say, a very masculine, youknow, practice and just to
really force yourself in.
And it's so interesting thatyou're speaking about this
because, like in the last year,I just haven't been able to get
myself there.
You know, and and I, you know,I'll do breath work a couple
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days a week, but I'm just like Ineed something else and and now
I'm really realizing that thisis the pathway that I need, as
you're speaking to this, it'sreally hitting the bells and it
doesn't have to be much.
Jessica (32:47):
Yeah, this is something that again, when I was doing a
lot of one-on-one work withpeople, teaching them how to
have practices, I was like whatcan you commit to every day?
I don't care if it's 60 seconds.
Jenee (33:01):
Yeah.
Jessica (33:02):
The point is that you say yes and you sit down and you
show up and you startprogramming.
I believe this is a quote fromthe Buddha that 99% of
enlightenment is memory.
And what he means by that isthat every time you show up to
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your cushion, you bring all ofthe past times that you showed
up to that cushion into thatmoment, and we're literally
training ourselves to enter thefield of presence through
repetition yes and so, even withritual, if one, like if you can
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say yes.
that's why I tell I'm like, ifyou can say yes for two minutes,
say yes for two minutes,because eventually you'll be
able to say yes for five, andthen you'll be able to say yes
for five, and then you'll beable to say yes for 10.
And it will grow itself,building from the fact that your
body will be able to drop intothe space from the memory of
doing it.
Jenee (34:10):
Yeah, that is so beautiful.
How important do you feel it is?
Now, I mean this is sort ofrhetorical question but, like
you know, especially for thepeople who are of service right
now, like how imperative is itto sit down every day?
Jessica (34:30):
It's non-negotiable.
It is a non-negotiable.
This is this is kind of likethe lights really coming in very
harsh right now, but you know,there's like the classic thing.
That's like if you're making aritual or your daily practice,
you know you want to have it belike brushing your teeth.
I mean, brushing your teeth isa ritual.
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Yes, it is, it is right, it'san action.
It is a conscious action thatyou take every single day to
keep your mouth clean.
And you know, if you go likeeven a day without doing it,
yeah, and then you go two daysand your mouth starts to get
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like filmy and like bad, yeah,that's your energy body,
absolutely, that's yourconsciousness, that's your
thought processing.
And if you are not having aspace to clean and align your
vision and your energetic worldevery single day, it's no
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different than like not brushingyour teeth.
And you one will really start tolearn this when one begins to
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have a practice.
And then they don't do it for acouple of days, right, because
again, back to like.
We only understand thingsthrough the embodiment of it,
right, through actually havingthe experience.
That's the only place wisdomlives.
Um, that takes time to to do,to have the experience, and then
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you drop away from it andyou'll see the difference.
At that point, people who arenot having a practice at all and
don't understand what happensto your consciousness as a
result of that don't have a whyreally to start.
(36:35):
Um, that's like the trickything with a daily practice is,
um, it's not instantgratification.
Oh yeah, you've got to.
You've got to stay with it tounderstand the benefit.
Um, but I think just really toto touch again on your question
(36:58):
is like, if you are not sittingand listening to your truth and
cleaning out others people'sopinions, the media, all these
things, if you're not cleaningthose out and realigning with
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yourself every single day,you're going to start to get
pulled into different, you knowother people's agendas, other
people's timelines especiallyright now, more than ever, and
this is just more intense.
(37:39):
Oh yeah, we're in this for thelong haul.
We're in this for our life andfar beyond that.
So this is not like a okay wakeup for like a couple of years
here.
It's like, no, this is it, thisis, this is.
This is a reality now.
Jenee (37:53):
Yeah, and this is the warrior stance.
This is, you know, the eye ofthe needle and, yeah, it's
imperative, like you said, it'sa non-negotiable.
You know, it's like it's soeasy right now to get co-opted.
You know, let's talk a littlebit about like the heart and the
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heart frequency and listeningto the heart.
I mean just hearing you.
It sounds like from the time youwere very young and just this
like beautiful relationship andI so I was going back to seeing
myself in the garden at likefive and eating the heads off
the onions and like picking theraspberries and like that was my
(38:35):
magic world and I just got likeso many goosebumps listening to
, hear to to you talk about thatand I'm curious like when this
really it sounds like this realrelationship with the heart and
the heart frequency and justthat through line of you know,
(38:57):
hearing that voice through timeand knowing when you, when you
were getting up against it inNew York city and just being
like I I moved to New York whenI was 25 and I was just like
what is this world?
I do not understand.
It was so hard, hard on mynervous system.
I didn't last there, but Iwonder if you can speak to that,
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yeah.
Jessica (39:22):
You know, I think that, um, it's just, you know, we're,
we are a mind oriented societyand and we're, you know, human.
And so we have this super powerof a brain and it's incredible,
incredible, incredible tool.
(39:43):
But the brain and the mind is,it's the brain and the mind.
Its purpose is to solveproblems and create patterns.
The mind loves patterns.
(40:05):
So, basically, in these twothings, there's two major
problems, although there's a lotof benefit, right, like when we
need to problem solve us, it'sgreat, thank goodness we have
such amazing problem solvingmechanism, um, and thank God
that we can also createbeautiful patterns that sustain
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us in our life.
You know, so it's just, it's amatter of, like, consciously
working with the mechanism ofthe mind and unconsciously
allowing it to run.
And so, one thing like thebrain, since it, since it wants
to solve problems, like that'sits job, it will just always
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find problems to solve, like,even if there's no problem, if
you're just letting it run amok,it will like, look for a
problem to solve, look forsomething to do, look for right,
because that's that's a job,that's what it wants to do.
And then, like, the otheraspect of it is that it feels
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very comfortable in patterns,the brain loves patterns, and so
you know when we are becomingour identity from you know zero
to seven or so, and we're notconsciously working with our
brain, like we're basicallygetting programmed with a bunch
of patterns that the brain isthen going to loop, and you know
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indefinitely, and the heartdoesn't have this, doesn't have
these things.
So there's a quote, and I can'tremember exactly what it is,
but the essence of it isessentially that the mind is
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like a very good mechanism but avery bad leader.
Yeah, that Einstein quote,thank you, do you remember it?
Jenee (42:10):
Yeah, I can't remember the the quote, but it's
basically like it's not themaster should not be the master,
correct?
Jessica (42:14):
and that really the mind should be in service to the
heart, right, that the the mindshould, should listen actually
to, to the heart and and movefrom that space and um, yeah, I
mean, obviously that is thatit's true, but the mind is so
dominant, you know, it's justlike sight is so dominant.
(42:35):
This is why, when we have tolisten, we have to close our
eyes, because the sight is themost dominant sense, right?
So if you're looking, it's veryhard to have your other sensory
gates open.
So when you, when you shut thatdown, all of your other sensory
gates open.
So when you, when you shut thatdown, all of your other senses
get to kind of come online alittle bit more.
(42:57):
Yeah, um, but the heart voice,as I have always experienced it,
is an innate knowing and a cord, an energetic cord to the
mystery.
It's like love it.
(43:19):
There's like this um, do youhave you seen Donnie Darko?
Yeah, so the scene in DonnieDarko where, like they have
these portals coming out oftheir chests and the portal
starts moving and then you know,he gets up from the television
and he starts walking into thefridge Right, but the portal is
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moving first.
Jenee (43:42):
Yes.
Jessica (43:43):
And then the body moves .
Yeah, and this has been myexperience in relationship to
the magnetism of the heart that,like that innate knowing, that
voice, that cord to the mystery,you know, is the portal that is
gently guiding us.
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It's like unfolding first, andthen it's our work to stay
tethered to it and just followits wisdom and allow the mind to
surrender really to the unknown, right To the mystery.
(44:27):
It's just so hard.
Jenee (44:30):
We have to give the mind a job, because it doesn't
understand the differencebetween past and present.
It's constantly doing thisthing where, oh, you're not safe
, you're not safe.
So we have to give the mind ajob.
It needs to feel important, butit also needs to take that back
seat.
Jessica (44:52):
Yeah, well, it's about, you know, kind of training the
mind.
It's like in there there's somany things to talk about, you
know, basically like havingreins on the mind, like a, like
a horse that you would ride orlike a wagon.
Right, you have to have thereins.
Yes, you have to.
You know, for kind of lack of abetter word, here you have to.
Right, you have to have thereins, you have to.
(45:12):
You know, for kind of lack of abetter word, here you have to
control it.
You have to learn how to directyour mind, cause all the time
it's going to happen, all thetime it's like, all of a sudden
you're like running some crazypathway in your mind and you're
like, oh my God, you know youcan just shake yourself and
redirect it.
But, you have to have the levelof consciousness to even witness
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the mind taking that track.
Jenee (45:37):
Yes.
Jessica (45:38):
And then say like, let's find something more
productive to do with thisenergy.
And, yeah, take a hold of itand direct it.
And the thing is is you canlive in devotion to your heart
and the mystery, the feminineorganizing force, as I like to
refer to the mystery and alsohave the mind highly engaged and
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very beneficial, right.
That's like the masculine force.
It's, it's the part that makesthings happen, it's the, it's
the um.
I once heard this described themasculine and the feminine,
feminine energies from a maestrothat the, the wheel of the car
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is the feminine and the pedal isthe masculine energy, where the
wheel is kind of like receivingthe guidance and the direction,
and the masculine energy is theforce that moves it forward.
So to be in devotion to theheart is to open yourself to the
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mysteries of life, to surrenderto the unknown, but to allow
and then to bring the mind in,to allow yourself to move
through it.
So when I'm talking about theheart, it's like I feel called
to create this thing.
I feel called to this path inmy life.
I feel called to interact withthis person.
(47:11):
Okay, great, now you have thecall, but you have to execute it
.
You have to do it.
If you want to create a program, if you want to create an
offering or learn something new,you have a calling to learn
something new.
Okay, well, there's a lot ofaction and work that goes into
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actually manifesting, likebringing that to form where the
heart just gave you thedirection.
Yes, the mind is going to, isgoing to help you do the rest,
like in a more driving force way.
Right, like, I have to get onmy Google spreadsheet, I have to
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write my emails, I have to postmy content, right Like there's
like all these things that Ihave to do, but it's all in
devotion to the call of my heart.
Jenee (48:05):
I was launching a women's program for the Voice over the
last three years and it wasinteresting because I got very,
very burned out very quickly anda lot of it was just burned out
about, like, creating contentand writing and selling and dah,
dah, dah, dah dah.
But also, like you know, it'sreally interesting.
(48:27):
Through this conversation, I'mreally really learning a lot
about what happened there, andwhat I ultimately knew was there
was a lot of internal fear forme around one not feeling fully
embodied and ready to teach thiswork in the way that I wanted
to teach it, and so there was alot of learning and also healing
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that needed to happen on my end.
And then finally coming to thisunderstanding of like oh, it
was the witch wound.
I had to come through the fireof like fully understanding the
block that was holding me backand feeling like, oh, I can't, I
can't carry this work, you know, and it's not like you have to
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be healed, you don't.
You know, it's just that youhave to be a few steps ahead,
you know, to be able to hold andhold this and guide.
And you know, and I I had thispart that was like in my
masculine, my mind would gobackwards on me, because it
would.
It would just kept telling me,like you, you're so off base,
(49:35):
You're so you don't know whatyou're doing.
And, like it was, there was somuch fear that was kicking up
and to really, and I so I waslike, oh, this work isn't for me
, but it would never go away,like it would always be like tap
, tap, tap, tap, tap you knowway, like it would always be
like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap,you know, and finally it's like
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working with a few master plantsand really like unfolding this
and healing this within myselfand being like, oh, it was all
there.
That fear was just very palpablebecause you know whether it's
from my ancestry or from pastlives or just my life, you know
whether it's from my ancestry orfrom past lives or just my life
, you know.
Now it's like that was real andto honor that, you know, and
(50:19):
just be like it doesn't didn'tmean that I was supposed to drop
it.
You know which the mind waslike nope, nope, you're off
track, you're off course.
No, no, no.
Jessica (50:29):
The mind's like not a pattern, I recognize not a
pattern, I recognize not apattern, I recognize this isn't
safe.
And then you have that, thattap, tap, tap going listen,
listen to me, keep coming Right.
And that that is the dichotomythat is happening.
Like that, that happens all thetime.
You know, like when we want tochange and we can talk about the
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patterns of the mind and therelationship to the nervous
system and patterns, right, whatis known and familiar is safe
and what is unknown is not safe,and that's just.
You know that's the program.
And when you understand thatthat's the program, you can say
okay, hey, listen, it's okay.
I hear you, we're going to trythis thing and I'm going to be
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with you while we try this.
I'm going to be with you, mind,I'm going to be with you, body,
nervous system.
I'm listening to you, I'm notignoring you, but I'm going to
tell you that there's somethinghere for us.
We're going to figure it out,we're going to do it.
It's okay thing here for us.
Jenee (51:30):
We're going to, we're going to figure it out, we're
going to do it.
It's okay.
Yeah, and the soma is reallywhere the foundational work
needs to happen.
You know, we have to bring thatthe body, the unconscious mind,
to the forefront.
No, we can't like.
If we don't feel safe withinthe body, within the nervous
system, like it's, it's nearlyimpossible to do this kind of
(51:53):
work in the world.
Jessica (51:56):
Yeah, and we also need to know our bodies, because a
lot of our thoughts are beingderived from the experience of
the body.
And if we are not in tune withthe experience of the body and
how energy is moving through,with the experience of the body
and how energy is moving through, because we're over associated
as a society with the mind,which is also a product of
(52:19):
masculine, patriarchal energy.
Right, where the body is, the,feminine is is the yeah,
feminine is the?
Is the body, the yeah.
Feminine is the is the body.
Um, so we have like learningthis kind of upsurge of somatic
(52:40):
work that is happening in thefield right now.
I see it as a rebalancing ofthe feminine energy.
Right, is everyone returning?
They're listening to theirbodies and getting to know the
nervous system, getting to knowthe way that the body feels and
responds in different spaces, sothat you can work with that.
You know and and you wouldunderstand why certain thoughts
(53:02):
are happening at certain times,based on the experience of the
body as well.
Jenee (53:08):
Yeah, that's huge.
I mean even certain movementsyou know could trigger like a
past memory or cause a lot ofthat is so much of it is stored
in the body.
Jessica (53:21):
Indeed, everything is hanging out there.
Jenee (53:24):
Yeah, yeah, oh, this has been like such an amazing
conversation.
Jessica (53:39):
Oh, this has been like such an amazing conversation.
Wow, do you want to talk alittle bit about the way of?
Well, and you know, as a yogateacher and somatic practitioner
and everything, the body is ahuge part um to balancing also
the more etheric realms of theplants.
(54:00):
So the the name of the business, I guess, for lack of a better
word, is I have you know, shehas presented herself the name
name is the temple of wildwisdom, and when I say temple,
I'm referring to the body, right.
So this body wisdom that wehave and the listening and
(54:27):
intuition, right that comes fromthe body and the wisdom that
the body is innately holding.
So first, first and foremost,kind of like, the temple of wild
wisdom is housing thisinitiation program and all that
will come forward under, yeah,her umbrella or her arms, so to
speak.
(54:49):
And the way of the wild wisdomis the initiation program that
basically invites you into bothfeminine ritual, working with
plants and embodied sovereignty,embodiment in life, sovereignty
(55:16):
, embodiment in life.
So it's, and although it is an,it's an initiation program in
the sense that there will belike a lot of teaching on how to
be working in ritual andworking with plants.
It is for everyone, at alltimes and all points in their
relationship with their bodiesand plant work and everything.
I have some folks coming inwho've been doing plant work for
a long time and people comingin who have it's completely new,
(55:40):
too.
Right, because as much as it isan initiation into working with
plants and ritual, it is also apathway to sovereignty, in the
way that I understand it.
So just a brief overview isit's a three month program.
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One month the first month wespend with lavender, which we
talked so much about today asthe foundational plant to
support listening, to teach ushow to listen, to teach us how
to feel into our intuition, toreally set that foundational
listening tone.
And then the second month wemove into Rose, and Rose has
(56:24):
been a huge boundary teacher forme.
Yes, when I first startedworking with Rose, a lot of womb
work started happening.
You know, a lot of of vocalwork started happening, and then
a lot of amazing boundary workstarted happening as well from
her, and so I've been doingboundary work for a long time
(56:45):
and the way that Rose came in itwas like we're going to look at
boundaries from our sensualnature.
So instead of like putting upwalls and looking at what
doesn't feel good for us inorder to establish boundaries,
we're going to go in andreaddress our needs and desires
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and what does feel good, whatdoes feel good and from that
place embody, become theembodiment of our needs and
desires, in which boundarieswill naturally express
themselves.
So, taking boundaries away fromthis like very kind of harsh,
scary thing, to going, I'm goingto resource myself, reintegrate
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my needs and desires and allowthese things to come from there,
which is really building on theintuition, right, in order for
us to access our needs, in orderfor us to be able to trust, you
know, we have to know what ourintuition feels like, we have to
know that space.
So that's like that nextbuilding block.
(57:55):
And then the final month we willspend with blue Lotus doing
shadow work and dream work.
And you know, in one sense it'slike, okay, lavender, we're
listening, we got our intuitionlike practice on, like feeling
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our truth.
And then rose, we're like I'mcommunicating my limits, I'm
nourishing my sensuality, I amsetting my boundaries, I have my
container around myself, right,I know how to do that.
Now I'm ready to invite someshadow work in, right, like I've
built some capacity for ritualand everything for resourcing
(58:41):
myself.
And now I'm going to go intothe shadow and again, the way I
see shadow work is shadowintegration.
Because what are the shadowsLike?
Yes, they're the aspects of thesubconscious that we are
unaware of, that we can't see,but they're really just aspects
of ourselves that someone elsehas told us isn't okay.
The shadow and the ego getbuilt right alongside each other
(59:03):
by people saying our caregiversright, saying yes, that's so
amazing, and don't do that.
So it's like the ego gets builthere on all the yeses and the
shadows get built here on allthe nos, and so what we're
really doing in shadow work islovingly reclaiming the aspects
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of ourselves that we have tuckedaway to create safety in our
nervous system when we wereyoung.
And because of this, shadowwork is the greatest manifester
that I know.
So the shadow work being likethe last month of this program,
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is so juicy because it also justlike skyrockets manifestation,
because as we bring theseshadowed parts of us back online
, we get really empowered tomake movement and change in our
life.
So so brilliant.
(01:00:13):
Yeah, that's the whole thingand the way this has really been
a culmination.
This, this program, is aculmination of, like, my life's
work up until this moment wherethere will be ritual and working
with these plants, and alsosomatic rituals, somatic
exercises, all sorts ofnourishments, learning how to
(01:00:34):
work with plant baths andessences and ritual smokes, and
all of this will be like, highlysupported with music and
meditations and guided practicesfrom everything that will lean
into the themes of each of these.
But what I have found in mylife is that if I can trust my
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intuition, if you can trust yourintuition, if you know your
intuition, you can trust it.
If you know your needs andcapacities and communicate them
to everyone in your life, and ifyou can lovingly do shadow work
and integrate yourself into thetotality of who you are, you're
(01:01:18):
good.
You are sovereign.
You can take care of yourselfand these plants.
Once you establish theserelationships with them, they're
your allies forever.
They are there for you when youneed to reconnect, right,
you're like, ooh, I need somelavender now and she's going to
(01:01:40):
be there for you forever.
After you programmed all of thatin with her for a month, and
then you know you've got likeshadows coming up or whatever.
You're like, okay, I'm going togo spend some time with blue
Lotus and go back into thisrealm and juice up and they
become your allies, they becomeyour friends and you yourself
(01:02:02):
carry yourself through life.
You're not like, oh, I needhelp here, oh, I need someone, I
need something.
You're like I know myself, I'vegot my plants, I've got my,
like my allies, my spirit team,and like I got this.
So that's like the path ofsovereignty, there, you know,
(01:02:23):
like this, like, yeah, you know,take your torch.
Jenee (01:02:26):
I love it.
You're so brilliant.
It's like it's amazing to hearyou speak about your work, about
all of these things that, to me, are like my favorite subjects,
my favorite things to to be inconversation about, and um, yeah
, I'm so grateful for your timetoday and I'm going to put the
(01:02:47):
link to the registration Is itup now in your bio, yeah, yeah,
it's all live and well, yeah inthe podcast description so
people can take a look at theprogram and like, get on a call
with you.
Thank you so much for your time.
Jessica (01:03:04):
Thank you so much for having me.
I also just love talking aboutall these things.
It was so great to share andconnect with you to be here
today.
Jenee (01:03:13):
Thank you.
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So join me, won't you?
Let's turn on that heart light.
I am so excited to have JessicaAllen with me today.
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She is a flower witch andfeminine ritualist.
She teaches you how to workwith plant consciousness and
ignite sovereignty throughritual, and I just thought your
one-line bio was so perfect andmagical I was like I'll go with
(01:43):
that.
Is there anything you wouldlike bend into that bio?
Jessica (01:47):
Thank you for asking Funny, because it's been such a
challenging thing for me to tryand dial something in Like how
do you compartmentalize so muchwork, you know?
So I'm glad that feels resonant.
Thank you, you know, in thismoment, I think the term
feminine ritualist is really thething that it can encompass
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everything that I do.
So we'll leave it at that fornow, and dive in.
Jenee (02:18):
It's all the things that I love and that make me, you
know, alive and feeling goodflowers and and ritual, and
sovereignty.
And so I was like, oh, I haveto have one.
This is like you know, justlike through your Instagram,
like yum, yum, yum, yum.
Oh, thank you so much.
(02:39):
Yeah, can you tell me a littlebit about how you got started in
this work and how the flowerconsciousness started to
communicate with you?
Jessica (03:12):
I was always like a very spiritual being, very
connected to the fairy realmsand spent a lot of time in the
stream, in the back of my houseand in nature in general, and
always felt a deep communicationto the elements, like from the
trees and the waters and therocks and the waters and the
rocks, and it was where I reallyfelt home and where I
understood, even as like a veryyoung person I'm talking under
seven years old like what Godmeant to me.
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You know what that likeuniversal connection, feeling
like I understood that very,very young, um, like I
understood that very, very young.
And so I've always had thatreal, deep connection to
listening to nature.
You know, listening to the landand the trees are always, you
know, a big, big um messenger orfriend actually to me, to me
(04:14):
and, um, you know, fast forwardwhatever life.
And in my um, sorry, when I was18, I started yoga.
Yoga came to me in a, in amoment of my life and, um, I was
in some seriously gnarly darkdisassociative.
A big pocket of my life wasthere and yoga was the first
thing that started giving me alanguage for the experiences
that I had, because I was havingthese connections.
(04:37):
But there was this insanedissonance from the outside
world that I experienced growingup in like classic suburbia,
you know, and no examples ofwhat I felt inside or what I
felt life, you know, was meaningfor me.
So yoga started giving me alanguage to the energetics of
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the body and the energy body aswell, not only the physical body
and I started training andstudying.
I started teaching when I was26 and left.
I had a job for a hot minuteand left that and just went
fully into it saying we'll getback to this.
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But really the origin of myentire healing journey was
mending the connection to myinner voice, you know, because I
had this deep knowing this,like you know, really intense,
like understanding within myselfand then very confused looking
at the world.
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I moved to New York City when Iwas 21.
I can still remember being onthe train, being like what is
going on?
Does anybody care about wherethey're going?
Why are they going there?
What's happening?
You know what is going on hereand um and just so much of my
internal struggle and thedarkness that was really
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manifesting, had manifested inmy life, was a result of not
being able to live what I wasbeing told from my heart,
because everything outside of mewas like you can't do that.
No, it's not like that.
It's like you know all this,like what I call
whack-a-mole-ing.
You know that whack-a-mole gamewhere you're just like boom,
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you know boom.
You just kind of keep gettingknocked down.
So, basically, when I was 24, Idecided I don't like anything.
Everything in my world is like.
I was very clear, like.
I was like I don't like myboyfriend, I don't like my job,
I don't like where I live, and Ifeel totally stuck.
And that was the moment that Iwas like and I'm choosing it.
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I'm making this choice.
I'm waking up every single dayand going to that job.
I'm waking up and saying yes tothis relationship.
I'm waking up and saying yes towhere my, where I live.
And it's my responsibility tojust make a different decision
and figure it out from there.
And that's when I reallystarted to go.
I don't care what anybodyoutside of me says.
I'm going to turn my listeninginward to my heart and I'm just
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going to courageously startfollowing it, no matter what.
And one of my things I share alot and I still do this in my
life is I say when I want tochange a pattern.
You know, I say let's play agame, let's play a game, make it
a game Right.
And?
And what if I do this?
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Let's play this game.
What if I just listen to myheart and I follow it?
Like what, what will my life be?
And so?
And then, alongside that mantra, I have the have a plan B, but
never plan to use it.
This is like my, my little hackfor keeping the mind at ease,
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like it's okay's okay, we canalways go back, we can always
find something else, like let'sjust play this game over here.
And so, anyway, I startedplaying the game.
I started playing that game andever since, yeah, I changed
everything and have just beenfollowing my heart.
So yoga was really the mainthing that reconnected me to my
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body and my intuition andstarted me on the path of living
from my internal world and whatI really feel is a sovereign
existence, right when I move, aslife is guiding me, as my heart
is guiding me, and I trust thatand I follow it and I stay
devoted to that, regardless ofwhat is going on in the external
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world.
And I started working with someplant medicines in my late
twenties.
I never experimented with anypsychedelic medicines prior to
that.
It was like always somethingthat seemed very scary to me and
I didn't have like a goodanyone to show me like a
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positive purpose to working withthem.
And then someone came into mylife and introduced them to me
in this way of like no, we workwith this medicine to heal and
to explore consciousness.
And I said, okay, I can getdown with that.
This I can get down with,totally relate to this, yeah.
And then I was like, oh, okay,this is basically at that point
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in my path, when I had said I'mjust going to play this game,
those medicines said you'redoing it, girl, you're right.
It showed me, it affirmedeverything in that visual way
that we so often need to seethings.
It showed me, I saw it and Isaid, and it just really
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anchored me into into my pathand into the decisions that I
had made.
So I started working with plantmedicine then and went through a
series of different, a coupleof different medicines and then
um, and different lineages aswell.
I was brought into one medicinelineage.
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Really, someone had invited mein.
I wasn't like really seekingthe medicine, but a woman who
was teaching yoga with me saidcome along, I think you would
love this.
And I said, okay, I'm down, youknow.
And so sat with a lineage thatwas multi-cultural and like,
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very like in a teepee with thebig fire and lots of different
songs and very kind of likeuplifting, and that was
beautiful and I did that for abit.
And then something in me wasjust not like totally aligned
with the whole frequency of thatspace and I released it for a
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bit.
And then I met my partner andhe introduced me to a Shipibo
lineage, which then introducedme to working with master plants
.
And at a certain point in mymedicine journey I received a
pretty clear message that waslike you're, like, you have come
as far as you can go with themedicine alone and if you want
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to continue on this path youhave to start working with
master plants, otherwise, likewe've, you get out of the boat.
Jenee (11:44):
Basically, you know, it.
Jessica (11:46):
We've carried you as far as we can carry you with
this.
You want to go further.
You have to start working withthe plants.
So it's kind of like this fullcircle thing.
Is that the the first, you know, dieta I did was a tree.
You know, this is like bringingme all the way back to feeling
this amazing connection withthese trees as a child and and
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so it just made sense in my, inmy body, to be a student of the
earth, right, because I alwaysfelt that connection and
studentship and had thatguidance and teachings coming
from the earth, and so that'swhat really opened me to working
with the master plants.
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And it was actually on my firstdiet that I had this vision.
I was like I just I want to bea flower, I want to be a garden,
you know, and I've neveractually been like super drawn
to flowers in my life.
It was something that I coulddefinitely have been like more
on the trees and the waters, youknow.
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And then all of a sudden, thislike flower consciousness opened
up around me on this first dietand I started getting falling
in love with flowers and startedmoving into dieting flowers and
um, yeah, so I have a few.
That's a big part of like.
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I mean, that's kind of whatopened me mysteriously to like
the flower realms and, um, Ihave also done, you know,
women's work and somatic workand ritual work and as far as
continuing the, the feminineembodiment of practice, the
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flowers are just so that right,so they're so easy to integrate
into that essence which is a lotof my also, my healing, and
what I am, you know, very calledto bring to others and and
support.
Jenee (13:52):
Yeah, that seems like you have a really deep relationship
with lavender and I'm that wasthe first flower that kind of
connected with you on thisjourney Um, and I would love for
you to tell the audience kindof how that opened up for you
and helped you heal.
Jessica (14:11):
Yeah, totally Fun fact about lavender is I used to hate
lavender?
Wow, yeah, because you.
You know like I've been in theyoga world for so long, you know
they're always like lavender inthe spas and lavender with it
and I was just like God.
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You know, I wasn't really intoflowers.
I was, like you know, one ofvery grounding essences.
Like the flowers were like veryetheric and like the floral
sense also didn't attract me.
I always wanted warmth and likereally deep earth energy.
So lavender, I just was like,oh, I can't stand it.
Oh, I know it's so funny.
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And yeah, then I did a dietwith lavender.
Lavender was actually the firstflower that I that I dieted.
Um and um, there's a creature,creature in here and it's
entered um fairy.
(15:16):
Uh huh, we'll call it that forsure yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
So, yeah, I, you know I was kindof I went into it just like
super excited because I wantedto start working with the
flowers and so I was like allright, let's go.
This was the one that presentedherself to me and I had a
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really deep experience withlavender.
Oftentimes, you know, like Ithink obviously we understand
lavender to be a presence ofcalming right, a nervous system
down regulator, just like anoverall, you know, know,
supporting you with rest, whichis why it's used in all of these
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spaces and spas and you know,yoga rooms and places that we
are moving into that rest, andthe first thing lavender showed
me was true to that, like all ofthe places that I was carrying
way too much in my life, all ofthe places that I was pushing
and trying way too hard, and whyall of that was was causing me
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exhaustion, why it wasn'tworking, and like what I needed
actually to bring into my lifein order to sustain what I am
creating and holding, and it wasvery devastating for me.
I've heard Lavender alsodescribed as being one for inner
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child, but also having achildlike energy.
I haven't had so much of that,you know.
I think that there is a lot of,or what I have found over the
years of working with plants inthis way, is that there is
objectivity to properties andfrequencies that these plants
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hold, but that they're also verysubjective right that they meet
us where we are and we meetthem.
You know our consciousness meeteach other in relationship.
Just as you would meet differentpeople, you have different
kinds of relationships withdifferent people, even though
those people are the same person.
Everyone has differentconnections and, um, so Lavender
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really just has been, over theyears that I've been working
with her, become like thefoundation actually of my um, of
of how I care for myself, um,and she's presented herself also
as this, like the ground inwhich everything can rest, that
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that if we ourselves can becomethis rich soil for receptivity,
soil for receptivity, thateverything can kind of grow, you
know, from that capacity, fromthat resource, from that
nourishment and I know we'regoing to wrap around to this but
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then she's also presentedherself as like the pathway to
the intuitive voice, because inorder to really hear, you have
to really be soft, you have toreally be, you have to relax the
body of contraction, of holdingand tension, right it like, you
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have to open and let go andsoften enough that you can
really feel that the listeningis coming from a feeling and she
supports.
She supports that listening.
Jenee (19:15):
That's profound.
The listening is coming from afeeling and she supports that
that feeling.
That's so incredible.
I can feel lavender in right now.
I can feel how it, what it doesto my nervous system and my
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subtle, subtle body, just by,like bringing in the
consciousness, and how much sheattunes the subtle body, the
energy body, to really you,really, as it down regulates the
nervous system.
You start to feel yourenergetic body, your subtle body
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, sort of come online.
It's almost like a breath, likeah, I'm there, oh, okay, and
then the grounding comes in.
And it's funny because I had acup of coffee this morning and
I'm like just pulling in theconsciousness of lavender and
I'm like, oh, thank you, thankyou.
Let's talk a little bit aboutintuition and how lavender
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started to guide you in that wayI'm sure there were other plant
medicines that also did but howshe's been your teacher on like
really learning how to listento your intuition and also a
little bit of the differencebetween you know the voice of
fear versus you know how can wehear intuition and hone it and
(20:50):
follow that path when thosevoices of fear come up, you know
.
Jessica (20:56):
Yeah, that's a great question.
So, you know, since I havereally been in deep practice
with just living in alignmentwith my intuitive voice and my
heart for so long like well overa decade at this point and I
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can honestly say that there'sabsolutely nothing that I have
done over the past decade of mylife that has not been fully
guided from my internal world,Wow.
And so you know, for me,lavender has been working with
me over the years in manydifferent ways, but I have been.
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I am a being of service, right,I?
We are all beings of service inour own ways, but I teach
practices and ritual and I teachpeople how to have practices
and connect with themselves, andI teach people how to listen to
their intuitions.
And so when I was receiving thedownload to start teaching
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people how to work with plantsas teachers, lavender came and
said you know, and I will be thefoundational intuition guide
because of what you were justsaying, you know, when she comes
in, she's just like it's allgood, just like lean back take
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it down.
Take it down take a breath, feelyour breath, you know.
Let the nervous system shiftinto parasympathetic.
Feel the ground beneath you,listen, which is the foundation
of understanding and andtrusting.
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Ultimately, you know themessages that are coming from
your heart and knowing, you knowto your point the messages that
are coming from your heart,which ones are the heart
messages, which one are the fearmessages, which one are the
doubt or things like this, um,and discerning also, I mean it's
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, it's, it's such a fine-tunedlistening really to know, like
the intuitive pull which is whyI said the listening is a
feeling, intuitive listening isa felt sense.
It's like there's an actual attimes, there's an understanding
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that comes through like afeeling, before it comes in the
form of words and thought.
Before it comes in the form ofwords and thought, you might,
even one might even be feelingcalled or a magnetism, a
magnetic, you know, pull towardssomething like that doesn't
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exactly have the answer yet andit will reveal itself, but that,
like physical calling's, youknow, and a good way to feel
into it is like, really simpledoes this make me feel lighter?
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Does it make me feel moreexpansive in my soma, in my body
, or does it make me feelheavier, dense or contracted and
like?
You don't even have to go intostory at that point, you just go
into like, does it make me feellighter.
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Does it make me feel lighter?
Does it make me feel heavier?
And if it makes you feellighter, there's truth, and if
it makes you feel heavier,there's not.
And this is complex right,because it's not to say that we
are not going to feel fear as wemove towards the things in our
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life that are calling us forward.
Right, it's not that it's likewe're not talking path of least
resistance here, because oftenthere is a lot of resistance on
the right path.
Jenee (25:30):
Yes.
Jessica (25:31):
So there is this, is there's a lot of that fine
tuning, refinement, right, we'renot just like, oh, this is
going to be this beautiful openthing, this makes me feel
lighter, everything's going tobe like that.
It's like okay initially if theessence of the call is like yes
, but then also like, oh, my God, this is going to ask so much
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of me.
But then this is where you knowyou become a warrior in life
and this is where you know youbecome a warrior in life.
As I always say, the plantsmake us earth warriors.
So yeah, just to kind of looparound to that listening, is
that Lavender is really sayingI'm going to?
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open this field of listening foryou and hold you in a space
where you can listen.
One final thing I'll say aboutthis is is that you know I've
been a practitioner for 20 yearsand I have studied so many
modalities of practice.
You know, I healed my selfinitially through practice,
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through the practices that I didfor myself.
Therapy is like talking topeople, like these things didn't
help me.
I needed the physicalexperience of the practice, and
even when I was a full-time yogateacher and doing all of this,
I still really struggled withhaving a daily practice and it
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took me a long time to establishthat.
And now, of course, it's beenmany, many years of having like
a very non-negotiable practice.
But what I have found and I'veguided so many people through
creating that ritual or practice, or what I refer to as a
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listening space you have tolisten to yourself every day for
a period of time as afoundation to your life, and
this is something that I've beenhelping people with for many
years.
And what I have found is thatwe're only going to show up for
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something if we really like it.
It doesn't matter if we knowhow good meditating every
morning is for us.
It doesn't matter if we knowhow beneficial you know because
we don't know it until we reallyembody it.
Even if we know it from like,oh, I should be doing this, oh,
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I know I should be doing that, Iknow I should be doing that,
but until you really do it youdon't actually know from
experience why.
Yeah Right, like we only knowfrom experience.
So until I have had a dailypractice for one, two months,
consistently, consistently, Idon't actually know what my life
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is going to look and feel likewhen I have that.
So it's a lot of like,especially at this point, that
you know everyone knows youshould be meditating or everyone
knows you should have right.
But even if you know howpotentially good it's going to
be for you, if you don't want todo the thing, you're not going
to do the thing.
So, after years of working withpeople trying to find a way in,
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it's like, let's find a way inhow do we make you want to do
this?
How do we make it accessible?
Make it accessible.
It's really been through thefeminine ritual that I have
found the easiest way to devoteyourself to yourself.
Essentially is what having apractice is.
I'm not devoting to thepractice, I'm devoted to the
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practice, because I'm devoted tomy own heart, I'm devoted to
knowing myself and living in mytruth for myself and the world.
And so what the feminine?
When I say feminine ritual, Imean something that engages your
senses, something that is likedelicious and beautiful and
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supported and resources you,something that you know like
when you sit down you're likethis is going to be nourishing
and even if I'm processingsomething really effing,
challenging in my life, that I'mgoing to be resourced and held
in this space.
And this is where the plantshave really come in to support
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the frequency field, the smellsyou know, and create this
energetic hug, speak and hold usin practice and know that there
are these tools, allies, reallyto support us in staying true
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to our own heart.
So that's really where that haskind of come in after all of
these years of actually like alot of masculine disciplines to
moving into the femininedevotion of practice.
Jenee (30:37):
Oh, I love this so much.
I am doing the rose dieta rightnow with Kat Gordon and we're
on the fourth week and I justreally, this week, kind of, I've
been, you know, setting my.
I always have an altar but I'mnot always like so active with
it, but I'm not always like soactive with it.
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Um, I I have a tendency to bemuch, much more active in the
fall.
Um, living in Phoenix, and youknow it's like, uh, you know,
fall is just my favorite time ofyear.
But, um, through this, this diet, uh, I've had this chance every
single day to go to my altarand be with the rose and the
rose consciousness and have myrose tea and, you know, light
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the incense.
And I, finally, this week, waslike this, is it?
This is what's going to get meto show up, like it's these
things of feeling so loved andheld and nurtured, and it's like
you're not doing it yourself,like Rose is there for me.
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Because I'm working with Roseright now.
She is holding the space for meto sit down and get in front of
my altar and to sit down withmy journal and start writing and
start breathing.
And I had, you know, I was ahardcore kundalini practitioner
for years and would just be likedriving myself, like you know,
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get up and do the work, and youknow, it was really like, like
you say, a very masculine, youknow, practice and just to
really force yourself in.
And it's so interesting thatyou're speaking about this
because, like in the last year,I just haven't been able to get
myself there.
You know, and and I, you know,I'll do breath work a couple
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days a week, but I'm just like Ineed something else and and now
I'm really realizing that thisis the pathway that I need, as
you're speaking to this, it'sreally hitting the bells and it
doesn't have to be much.
Jessica (32:47):
Yeah, this is something that again, when I was doing a
lot of one-on-one work withpeople, teaching them how to
have practices, I was like whatcan you commit to every day?
I don't care if it's 60 seconds.
Jenee (33:01):
Yeah.
Jessica (33:02):
The point is that you say yes and you sit down and you
show up and you startprogramming.
I believe this is a quote fromthe Buddha that 99% of
enlightenment is memory.
And what he means by that isthat every time you show up to
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your cushion, you bring all ofthe past times that you showed
up to that cushion into thatmoment, and we're literally
training ourselves to enter thefield of presence through
repetition yes and so, even withritual, if one, like if you can
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say yes.
that's why I tell I'm like, ifyou can say yes for two minutes,
say yes for two minutes,because eventually you'll be
able to say yes for five, andthen you'll be able to say yes
for five, and then you'll beable to say yes for 10.
And it will grow itself,building from the fact that your
body will be able to drop intothe space from the memory of
doing it.
Jenee (34:10):
Yeah, that is so beautiful.
How important do you feel it is?
Now, I mean this is sort ofrhetorical question but, like
you know, especially for thepeople who are of service right
now, like how imperative is itto sit down every day?
Jessica (34:30):
It's non-negotiable.
It is a non-negotiable.
This is this is kind of likethe lights really coming in very
harsh right now, but you know,there's like the classic thing.
That's like if you're making aritual or your daily practice,
you know you want to have it belike brushing your teeth.
I mean, brushing your teeth isa ritual.
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Yes, it is, it is right, it'san action.
It is a conscious action thatyou take every single day to
keep your mouth clean.
And you know, if you go likeeven a day without doing it,
yeah, and then you go two daysand your mouth starts to get
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like filmy and like bad, yeah,that's your energy body,
absolutely, that's yourconsciousness, that's your
thought processing.
And if you are not having aspace to clean and align your
vision and your energetic worldevery single day, it's no
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different than like not brushingyour teeth.
And you one will really start tolearn this when one begins to
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have a practice.
And then they don't do it for acouple of days, right, because
again, back to like.
We only understand thingsthrough the embodiment of it,
right, through actually havingthe experience.
That's the only place wisdomlives.
Um, that takes time to to do,to have the experience, and then
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you drop away from it andyou'll see the difference.
At that point, people who arenot having a practice at all and
don't understand what happensto your consciousness as a
result of that don't have a whyreally to start.
(36:35):
Um, that's like the trickything with a daily practice is,
um, it's not instantgratification.
Oh yeah, you've got to.
You've got to stay with it tounderstand the benefit.
Um, but I think just really toto touch again on your question
(36:58):
is like, if you are not sittingand listening to your truth and
cleaning out others people'sopinions, the media, all these
things, if you're not cleaningthose out and realigning with
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yourself every single day,you're going to start to get
pulled into different, you knowother people's agendas, other
people's timelines especiallyright now, more than ever, and
this is just more intense.
(37:39):
Oh yeah, we're in this for thelong haul.
We're in this for our life andfar beyond that.
So this is not like a okay wakeup for like a couple of years
here.
It's like, no, this is it, thisis, this is.
This is a reality now.
Jenee (37:53):
Yeah, and this is the warrior stance.
This is, you know, the eye ofthe needle and, yeah, it's
imperative, like you said, it'sa non-negotiable.
You know, it's like it's soeasy right now to get co-opted.
You know, let's talk a littlebit about like the heart and the
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heart frequency and listeningto the heart.
I mean just hearing you.
It sounds like from the time youwere very young and just this
like beautiful relationship andI so I was going back to seeing
myself in the garden at likefive and eating the heads off
the onions and like picking theraspberries and like that was my
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magic world and I just got likeso many goosebumps listening to
, hear to to you talk about thatand I'm curious like when this
really it sounds like this realrelationship with the heart and
the heart frequency and justthat through line of you know,
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hearing that voice through timeand knowing when you, when you
were getting up against it inNew York city and just being
like I I moved to New York whenI was 25 and I was just like
what is this world?
I do not understand.
It was so hard, hard on mynervous system.
I didn't last there, but Iwonder if you can speak to that,
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yeah.
Jessica (39:22):
You know, I think that, um, it's just, you know, we're,
we are a mind oriented societyand and we're, you know, human.
And so we have this super powerof a brain and it's incredible,
incredible, incredible tool.
(39:43):
But the brain and the mind is,it's the brain and the mind.
Its purpose is to solveproblems and create patterns.
The mind loves patterns.
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So, basically, in these twothings, there's two major
problems, although there's a lotof benefit, right, like when we
need to problem solve us, it'sgreat, thank goodness we have
such amazing problem solvingmechanism, um, and thank God
that we can also createbeautiful patterns that sustain
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us in our life.
You know, so it's just, it's amatter of, like, consciously
working with the mechanism ofthe mind and unconsciously
allowing it to run.
And so, one thing like thebrain, since it, since it wants
to solve problems, like that'sits job, it will just always
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find problems to solve, like,even if there's no problem, if
you're just letting it run amok,it will like, look for a
problem to solve, look forsomething to do, look for right,
because that's that's a job,that's what it wants to do.
And then, like, the otheraspect of it is that it feels
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very comfortable in patterns,the brain loves patterns, and so
you know when we are becomingour identity from you know zero
to seven or so, and we're notconsciously working with our
brain, like we're basicallygetting programmed with a bunch
of patterns that the brain isthen going to loop, and you know
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indefinitely, and the heartdoesn't have this, doesn't have
these things.
So there's a quote, and I can'tremember exactly what it is,
but the essence of it isessentially that the mind is
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like a very good mechanism but avery bad leader.
Yeah, that Einstein quote,thank you, do you remember it?
Jenee (42:10):
Yeah, I can't remember the the quote, but it's
basically like it's not themaster should not be the master,
correct?
Jessica (42:14):
and that really the mind should be in service to the
heart, right, that the the mindshould, should listen actually
to, to the heart and and movefrom that space and um, yeah, I
mean, obviously that is thatit's true, but the mind is so
dominant, you know, it's justlike sight is so dominant.
(42:35):
This is why, when we have tolisten, we have to close our
eyes, because the sight is themost dominant sense, right?
So if you're looking, it's veryhard to have your other sensory
gates open.
So when you, when you shut thatdown, all of your other sensory
gates open.
So when you, when you shut thatdown, all of your other senses
get to kind of come online alittle bit more.
(42:57):
Yeah, um, but the heart voice,as I have always experienced it,
is an innate knowing and a cord, an energetic cord to the
mystery.
It's like love it.
(43:19):
There's like this um, do youhave you seen Donnie Darko?
Yeah, so the scene in DonnieDarko where, like they have
these portals coming out oftheir chests and the portal
starts moving and then you know,he gets up from the television
and he starts walking into thefridge Right, but the portal is
(43:41):
moving first.
Jenee (43:42):
Yes.
Jessica (43:43):
And then the body moves .
Yeah, and this has been myexperience in relationship to
the magnetism of the heart that,like that innate knowing, that
voice, that cord to the mystery,you know, is the portal that is
gently guiding us.
(44:04):
It's like unfolding first, andthen it's our work to stay
tethered to it and just followits wisdom and allow the mind to
surrender really to the unknown, right To the mystery.
(44:27):
It's just so hard.
Jenee (44:30):
We have to give the mind a job, because it doesn't
understand the differencebetween past and present.
It's constantly doing thisthing where, oh, you're not safe
, you're not safe.
So we have to give the mind ajob.
It needs to feel important, butit also needs to take that back
seat.
Jessica (44:52):
Yeah, well, it's about, you know, kind of training the
mind.
It's like in there there's somany things to talk about, you
know, basically like havingreins on the mind, like a, like
a horse that you would ride orlike a wagon.
Right, you have to have thereins.
Yes, you have to.
You know, for kind of lack of abetter word, here you have to.
Right, you have to have thereins, you have to.
(45:12):
You know, for kind of lack of abetter word, here you have to
control it.
You have to learn how to directyour mind, cause all the time
it's going to happen, all thetime it's like, all of a sudden
you're like running some crazypathway in your mind and you're
like, oh my God, you know youcan just shake yourself and
redirect it.
But, you have to have the levelof consciousness to even witness
(45:35):
the mind taking that track.
Jenee (45:37):
Yes.
Jessica (45:38):
And then say like, let's find something more
productive to do with thisenergy.
And, yeah, take a hold of itand direct it.
And the thing is is you canlive in devotion to your heart
and the mystery, the feminineorganizing force, as I like to
refer to the mystery and alsohave the mind highly engaged and
(46:05):
very beneficial, right.
That's like the masculine force.
It's, it's the part that makesthings happen, it's the, it's
the um.
I once heard this described themasculine and the feminine,
feminine energies from a maestrothat the, the wheel of the car
(46:27):
is the feminine and the pedal isthe masculine energy, where the
wheel is kind of like receivingthe guidance and the direction,
and the masculine energy is theforce that moves it forward.
So to be in devotion to theheart is to open yourself to the
(46:49):
mysteries of life, to surrenderto the unknown, but to allow
and then to bring the mind in,to allow yourself to move
through it.
So when I'm talking about theheart, it's like I feel called
to create this thing.
I feel called to this path inmy life.
I feel called to interact withthis person.
(47:11):
Okay, great, now you have thecall, but you have to execute it
.
You have to do it.
If you want to create a program, if you want to create an
offering or learn something new,you have a calling to learn
something new.
Okay, well, there's a lot ofaction and work that goes into
(47:33):
actually manifesting, likebringing that to form where the
heart just gave you thedirection.
Yes, the mind is going to, isgoing to help you do the rest,
like in a more driving force way.
Right, like, I have to get onmy Google spreadsheet, I have to
(47:54):
write my emails, I have to postmy content, right Like there's
like all these things that Ihave to do, but it's all in
devotion to the call of my heart.
Jenee (48:05):
I was launching a women's program for the Voice over the
last three years and it wasinteresting because I got very,
very burned out very quickly anda lot of it was just burned out
about, like, creating contentand writing and selling and dah,
dah, dah, dah dah.
But also, like you know, it'sreally interesting.
(48:27):
Through this conversation, I'mreally really learning a lot
about what happened there, andwhat I ultimately knew was there
was a lot of internal fear forme around one not feeling fully
embodied and ready to teach thiswork in the way that I wanted
to teach it, and so there was alot of learning and also healing
(48:52):
that needed to happen on my end.
And then finally coming to thisunderstanding of like oh, it
was the witch wound.
I had to come through the fireof like fully understanding the
block that was holding me backand feeling like, oh, I can't, I
can't carry this work, you know, and it's not like you have to
(49:13):
be healed, you don't.
You know, it's just that youhave to be a few steps ahead,
you know, to be able to hold andhold this and guide.
And you know, and I I had thispart that was like in my
masculine, my mind would gobackwards on me, because it
would.
It would just kept telling me,like you, you're so off base,
(49:35):
You're so you don't know whatyou're doing.
And, like it was, there was somuch fear that was kicking up
and to really, and I so I waslike, oh, this work isn't for me
, but it would never go away,like it would always be like tap
, tap, tap, tap, tap you knowway, like it would always be
like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap,you know, and finally it's like
(49:56):
working with a few master plantsand really like unfolding this
and healing this within myselfand being like, oh, it was all
there.
That fear was just very palpablebecause you know whether it's
from my ancestry or from pastlives or just my life, you know
whether it's from my ancestry orfrom past lives or just my life
, you know.
Now it's like that was real andto honor that, you know, and
(50:19):
just be like it doesn't didn'tmean that I was supposed to drop
it.
You know which the mind waslike nope, nope, you're off
track, you're off course.
No, no, no.
Jessica (50:29):
The mind's like not a pattern, I recognize not a
pattern, I recognize not apattern, I recognize this isn't
safe.
And then you have that, thattap, tap, tap going listen,
listen to me, keep coming Right.
And that that is the dichotomythat is happening.
Like that, that happens all thetime.
You know, like when we want tochange and we can talk about the
(50:53):
patterns of the mind and therelationship to the nervous
system and patterns, right, whatis known and familiar is safe
and what is unknown is not safe,and that's just.
You know that's the program.
And when you understand thatthat's the program, you can say
okay, hey, listen, it's okay.
I hear you, we're going to trythis thing and I'm going to be
(51:14):
with you while we try this.
I'm going to be with you, mind,I'm going to be with you, body,
nervous system.
I'm listening to you, I'm notignoring you, but I'm going to
tell you that there's somethinghere for us.
We're going to figure it out,we're going to do it.
It's okay thing here for us.
Jenee (51:30):
We're going to, we're going to figure it out, we're
going to do it.
It's okay.
Yeah, and the soma is reallywhere the foundational work
needs to happen.
You know, we have to bring thatthe body, the unconscious mind,
to the forefront.
No, we can't like.
If we don't feel safe withinthe body, within the nervous
system, like it's, it's nearlyimpossible to do this kind of
(51:53):
work in the world.
Jessica (51:56):
Yeah, and we also need to know our bodies, because a
lot of our thoughts are beingderived from the experience of
the body.
And if we are not in tune withthe experience of the body and
how energy is moving through,with the experience of the body
and how energy is moving through, because we're over associated
as a society with the mind,which is also a product of
(52:19):
masculine, patriarchal energy.
Right, where the body is, the,feminine is is the yeah,
feminine is the?
Is the body, the yeah.
Feminine is the is the body.
Um, so we have like learningthis kind of upsurge of somatic
(52:40):
work that is happening in thefield right now.
I see it as a rebalancing ofthe feminine energy.
Right, is everyone returning?
They're listening to theirbodies and getting to know the
nervous system, getting to knowthe way that the body feels and
responds in different spaces, sothat you can work with that.
You know and and you wouldunderstand why certain thoughts
(53:02):
are happening at certain times,based on the experience of the
body as well.
Jenee (53:08):
Yeah, that's huge.
I mean even certain movementsyou know could trigger like a
past memory or cause a lot ofthat is so much of it is stored
in the body.
Jessica (53:21):
Indeed, everything is hanging out there.
Jenee (53:24):
Yeah, yeah, oh, this has been like such an amazing
conversation.
Jessica (53:39):
Oh, this has been like such an amazing conversation.
Wow, do you want to talk alittle bit about the way of?
Well, and you know, as a yogateacher and somatic practitioner
and everything, the body is ahuge part um to balancing also
the more etheric realms of theplants.
(54:00):
So the the name of the business, I guess, for lack of a better
word, is I have you know, shehas presented herself the name
name is the temple of wildwisdom, and when I say temple,
I'm referring to the body, right.
So this body wisdom that wehave and the listening and
(54:27):
intuition, right that comes fromthe body and the wisdom that
the body is innately holding.
So first, first and foremost,kind of like, the temple of wild
wisdom is housing thisinitiation program and all that
will come forward under, yeah,her umbrella or her arms, so to
speak.
(54:49):
And the way of the wild wisdomis the initiation program that
basically invites you into bothfeminine ritual, working with
plants and embodied sovereignty,embodiment in life, sovereignty
(55:16):
, embodiment in life.
So it's, and although it is an,it's an initiation program in
the sense that there will belike a lot of teaching on how to
be working in ritual andworking with plants.
It is for everyone, at alltimes and all points in their
relationship with their bodiesand plant work and everything.
I have some folks coming inwho've been doing plant work for
a long time and people comingin who have it's completely new,
(55:40):
too.
Right, because as much as it isan initiation into working with
plants and ritual, it is also apathway to sovereignty, in the
way that I understand it.
So just a brief overview isit's a three month program.
(56:00):
One month the first month wespend with lavender, which we
talked so much about today asthe foundational plant to
support listening, to teach ushow to listen, to teach us how
to feel into our intuition, toreally set that foundational
listening tone.
And then the second month wemove into Rose, and Rose has
(56:24):
been a huge boundary teacher forme.
Yes, when I first startedworking with Rose, a lot of womb
work started happening.
You know, a lot of of vocalwork started happening, and then
a lot of amazing boundary workstarted happening as well from
her, and so I've been doingboundary work for a long time
(56:45):
and the way that Rose came in itwas like we're going to look at
boundaries from our sensualnature.
So instead of like putting upwalls and looking at what
doesn't feel good for us inorder to establish boundaries,
we're going to go in andreaddress our needs and desires
(57:06):
and what does feel good, whatdoes feel good and from that
place embody, become theembodiment of our needs and
desires, in which boundarieswill naturally express
themselves.
So, taking boundaries away fromthis like very kind of harsh,
scary thing, to going, I'm goingto resource myself, reintegrate
(57:34):
my needs and desires and allowthese things to come from there,
which is really building on theintuition, right, in order for
us to access our needs, in orderfor us to be able to trust, you
know, we have to know what ourintuition feels like, we have to
know that space.
So that's like that nextbuilding block.
(57:55):
And then the final month we willspend with blue Lotus doing
shadow work and dream work.
And you know, in one sense it'slike, okay, lavender, we're
listening, we got our intuitionlike practice on, like feeling
(58:17):
our truth.
And then rose, we're like I'mcommunicating my limits, I'm
nourishing my sensuality, I amsetting my boundaries, I have my
container around myself, right,I know how to do that.
Now I'm ready to invite someshadow work in, right, like I've
built some capacity for ritualand everything for resourcing
(58:41):
myself.
And now I'm going to go intothe shadow and again, the way I
see shadow work is shadowintegration.
Because what are the shadowsLike?
Yes, they're the aspects of thesubconscious that we are
unaware of, that we can't see,but they're really just aspects
of ourselves that someone elsehas told us isn't okay.
The shadow and the ego getbuilt right alongside each other
(59:03):
by people saying our caregiversright, saying yes, that's so
amazing, and don't do that.
So it's like the ego gets builthere on all the yeses and the
shadows get built here on allthe nos, and so what we're
really doing in shadow work islovingly reclaiming the aspects
(59:24):
of ourselves that we have tuckedaway to create safety in our
nervous system when we wereyoung.
And because of this, shadowwork is the greatest manifester
that I know.
So the shadow work being likethe last month of this program,
(59:51):
is so juicy because it also justlike skyrockets manifestation,
because as we bring theseshadowed parts of us back online
, we get really empowered tomake movement and change in our
life.
So so brilliant.
(01:00:13):
Yeah, that's the whole thingand the way this has really been
a culmination.
This, this program, is aculmination of, like, my life's
work up until this moment wherethere will be ritual and working
with these plants, and alsosomatic rituals, somatic
exercises, all sorts ofnourishments, learning how to
(01:00:34):
work with plant baths andessences and ritual smokes, and
all of this will be like, highlysupported with music and
meditations and guided practicesfrom everything that will lean
into the themes of each of these.
But what I have found in mylife is that if I can trust my
(01:00:56):
intuition, if you can trust yourintuition, if you know your
intuition, you can trust it.
If you know your needs andcapacities and communicate them
to everyone in your life, and ifyou can lovingly do shadow work
and integrate yourself into thetotality of who you are, you're
(01:01:18):
good.
You are sovereign.
You can take care of yourselfand these plants.
Once you establish theserelationships with them, they're
your allies forever.
They are there for you when youneed to reconnect, right,
you're like, ooh, I need somelavender now and she's going to
(01:01:40):
be there for you forever.
After you programmed all of thatin with her for a month, and
then you know you've got likeshadows coming up or whatever.
You're like, okay, I'm going togo spend some time with blue
Lotus and go back into thisrealm and juice up and they
become your allies, they becomeyour friends and you yourself
(01:02:02):
carry yourself through life.
You're not like, oh, I needhelp here, oh, I need someone, I
need something.
You're like I know myself, I'vegot my plants, I've got my,
like my allies, my spirit team,and like I got this.
So that's like the path ofsovereignty, there, you know,
(01:02:23):
like this, like, yeah, you know,take your torch.
Jenee (01:02:26):
I love it.
You're so brilliant.
It's like it's amazing to hearyou speak about your work, about
all of these things that, to me, are like my favorite subjects,
my favorite things to to be inconversation about, and um, yeah
, I'm so grateful for your timetoday and I'm going to put the
(01:02:47):
link to the registration Is itup now in your bio, yeah, yeah,
it's all live and well, yeah inthe podcast description so
people can take a look at theprogram and like, get on a call
with you.
Thank you so much for your time.
Jessica (01:03:04):
Thank you so much for having me.
I also just love talking aboutall these things.
It was so great to share andconnect with you to be here
today.
Jenee (01:03:13):
Thank you.
The Heartlight Sessions podcastis executive produced and
hosted by me, janae Halstead.
It's edited, mixed and masteredby me too, and that theme song
you hear it's called Heartlight.
And yep, you guessed it, it'sfrom my record.
Disposable Love.
(01:03:33):
Got questions about a certainhealing modality or about
heart-centered healing, or maybeyou just need some advice on
life, love or creativity.
Send it my way, email me atletters at heartlightpodcastcom.
Until next time, I'm JanaeHalstead, and thanks for
listening to Heartlight Sessions, thank you.
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