Sacred Creativity & Divine Design: Building Altars, Not Empires with Tiffany Tate

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What if your business could be an act of devotion instead of a draining hustle? What if your creativity flowed naturally from a place of divine connection?

Tiffany Tate, founder of Iona Creative Studio, joins Heart Light Sessions to reveal how she's revolutionizing branding and entrepreneurship by treating it as prayer and design as devotion. With her background in traditional art and deep spiritual practice, Tiffany guides mystics and healers to "build altars, not empires" through authentic creative expression.

"Branding is an alignment of your outer expression with your inner call," Tiffany shares, offering a fresh perspective that transforms marketing from a tactical exercise into a spiritual practice. She explains how her time living near the Pocono Mountains, surrounded by waterfalls and forests, helped her develop the sensitivity to receive divine guidance – a gift she believes everyone possesses but often overlooks in today's overstimulated world.

The conversation takes fascinating turns through sacred geometry, Light Language, and the Mayan Curandero lineage that works with universal geometric patterns. Tiffany explains how these ancient practices can be applied in modern business contexts without the problematic spiritual entanglements that can come with other esoteric practices. Her approach emphasizes discernment, encouraging listeners to notice when fear is being used as motivation and to choose practices grounded in unconditional love instead.

Throughout the episode, Tiffany emphasizes the importance of unstructured, intuitive play in the creative process. By creating space for divine inspiration and following the energy of joy, we open ourselves to possibilities beyond what we could have planned. This isn't about toxic rest culture but about aligning with what she calls "an unextinguishable flame" – the energy that naturally flows when you're stewarding a holy assignment.

Ready to discover how your business can become an expression of your deepest spiritual purpose? Listen now and learn how to create from a place of divine alignment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Heartlight Sessions, a podcast
about light working your waythrough dark times.
I'm Janae Halstead.
I'm a singer-songwriter,holistic vocal coach, intuitive
guide and plant medicinefacilitator.
I'm also a survivor ofchildhood abuse, autoimmune
issues and my 30s.
I'm also a survivor ofchildhood abuse, autoimmune
issues and my 30s.
I'm on a lifelong healingjourney and along the way, I

(00:28):
want to share the ideas andteachings that rock my world.
Every week on HeartlightSessions, I call in artists,
healers and thinkers to explorewhat's helped them live and
thrive from a heart-centeredplace, because the heart, it's
where the best things happen.
If you've ever wondered how tounlock your biggest

(00:51):
breakthroughs or how to comeback from that stuff that tried
to kill you, you know the stuffI'm talking about, the stuff
that's supposed to make youstronger.
Or if you've ever wondered howto just do you straight from the
heart, you're in the rightplace.
So join me, won't you?
Let's turn on that heart light.
We are live.

(01:20):
I have Tiffany Tate with me.
We've already had like.
I think we could have talkedfor an hour before we hit record
.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I was like, should we just hit record now?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It was so yummy and juicy.
And so I have known Tiffany foryears.
We've never really had aface-to-face conversation, but
we we go way back in justcircles, spiritual circles.
So you're you.
You have Iona Vision or IonaCreative Studio, which is your

(01:52):
platform, and your branding asprayer and design as devotion is
like it's just a such abeautiful platform and I wanted
to dive in.
So you're.
You know you've done brandingfor some of my favorite mystics
and and teacher, spiritualteachers, and so you're.

(02:14):
You're guiding mystics andhealers on building altars, not
empires.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, so my you know, it's funny because when I
actually went to traditional artschool and did not go to
graphic design school or likemarketing school or anything
like that, but I saw people thatyou know I had experienced them

(02:42):
and their skills in person, andthen you see kind of how they
share themselves online andyou're like you are just doing
yourself a huge disservice, likewe have got to.
You know, like people need toknow, um know about you, they
need to feel you online.
And so you know I'm an artist,so I believe in the power of

(03:07):
images and started my businessreally focusing on that.
But you know what I really haverealized recently, just you
know, like on my own spiritualjourney and connecting more
deeply to God and creativity,you know, which is kind of the

(03:27):
same thing.
And realizing that we all havethis capacity is that you know
so many people out there.
It's not that they neednecessarily graphic design help
or help like building a website.
They just need to get startedthey need to recognize that not
only do they have gifts, maybethey know them, maybe they need

(03:48):
to be awakened or remembered,but they should be sharing them.
And this is like, in fact, likeif you're looking for just like
you know how to live a happy,good life 101, it's like being
creative and you know, if you'redoing it right, then that kind
of naturally just opens up intoa business.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
you know, because like you, literally can't do
anything else.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So I just got chills.
Yeah, for people that my focusin the past like three months is
really just kind of like thisinitiatory energy for people.
And that's become reallyimportant because, like, we all

(04:37):
have the ability to, you know,connect to our intuition, to
receive messages from God and tokind of build like a beautiful
holy life.
And creativity is just thenatural next outpouring of that.

(05:00):
And you know, like you're sofull that like the only thing
left to do is like tell othersyes.
So yeah, I've kind of beentrying to create more
experiences and offerings thatthat appeal to someone that kind

(05:22):
of knows that there's somethinggreater you know and that also
you can do it differently, thatit doesn't mean like like this
whole, like boss your bones tothe into the ground for
capitalism is just not like.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know the Sophia, whatever her name, you know it's
, it's, it's not want to graband go down which I've seen you

(06:07):
talk about a lot of this onInstagram.
So I'm like which thread do Iwant to pull first?
But can you talk about your ownbackstory, how you got to Iona
Creative Studio, how you sort ofmarried your deep spiritual
life and your love of natureinto branding, and then maybe we

(06:31):
can like unfold that from there?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I I went to traditional artschool.
I have an MFA and I joke thatbeing an art school is like two
years of deep personal therapy.
It's like you alone in a roomwith some materials trying to
tell the world how you feel.

(06:58):
And it's funny because you knowit's kind of like taboo to talk
about God in art school.
It's taboo to talk about Godperiod, interested in getting

(07:22):
people to realize how theirreality was constructed and
therefore that you have theability to make it whatever you
want it to be.
Um, and so you know, when Igraduated, I I did some
traveling and then, you know,ultimately ran out of money and

(07:43):
like couldn't camp out of my caranymore.
So I had to get a job and, um,you know, I I got a job actually
at a gallery on the upper Eastside of Manhattan and was
working there.
And, um, that's actually when Imet Gudu Jagat.
I had been working there for ayear and they were just opening
Rama, new York on the Upper.

(08:04):
East Side and they were notlooking for a graphic designer,
but I like sent a cold email to.
Joanna Pitt and was like hey, um, I want to, I want to work for
you.
I think, I think you know wecould do this.
And I like, just, you know, Ipitched myself and she was like,

(08:24):
yeah, we'll come to thisworkshop.
And so you know.
And I was asked like well, youknow you're an artist, do you
think you could do this?
Um, you know, for marketing,like, would you be okay for that
or with that?
And I was like you know, Ithink we should try it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Um, which is not exactly like a phrase that would
sell yourself, Like you know.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I think we should try it.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, which is not exactly like a phrase that would
sell yourself.
Yeah, yeah, like you know.
Yeah, baby, let's try.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But that was kind of the ethos of Rama.
In a lot of ways it's like tryit Fuck around and find out.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You know, yeah, yeah.
And so, and I realized too thateverything that I was trying to
do, that I felt like I couldn'tdo in the art world, I could do
then because it was like forlack of a better term the
spiritual world, like, yes,right, like I had a goal like I

(09:18):
wanted.
I wanted to shift the energy onthe planet.
I wanted to bring technologiesto certain people.
I had to convey the value andshow them what the experience is
like through imagery, and I wasvery fortunate in that.
Like I, you know, a lot ofgraphic designers don't

(09:40):
necessarily deeply believe inthe mission of the company, and
I don't think I would havegotten into graphic design had I
not.
And so I worked for, you know,for Rama, for three years, and
then, you know, 2020 happenedand I got taken down to halftime
, like most of the staff did atthat time.

(10:03):
And I had always wanted to startmy own studio.
You know like the whole Ramaculture was very like business,
entrepreneurial you know, and.
I was like, ah, I just like Ihad this vision.
I wanted to help more people,you know, and I was meeting all
of these healers and mysticsthrough that community and it

(10:25):
was like gosh, like they needhelp.
You know, like not to soundlike I'm full of myself, but I
really felt that way.
I was like we've got to like dosomething for you, and so I knew
that if there was ever a timeto quit and start my own thing,
that was the time, and so I putin my notice, you know, and it,

(10:45):
it.
It was a very pleasant likefarewell and I just started with
no clients Like I had.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like you know, usually people are like working
in the background of theirfull-time job, and then they
start.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I had like no, but I knew that I could do it.
Yeah and um at the time I wasit.
Yeah and um at the time I was.
So, after I lived in New York,um, I had moved to Philly and
then gotten sick of the city andby the time I quit, ramen
started Iona.
I was living in the Poconomountains in Pennsylvania.
Okay and um, there was, I couldwalk to a water, I could be at a

(11:24):
waterfall in 45 minutes from myfront door and without having
to get in the car.
So I just like spent a lot oftime in the woods and I felt so
alive and so connected toeverything and that was really

(11:48):
kind of like those years there.
And when I first opened mystudio even though you weren't
really seeing this like in whatI was making at the time like it
really kind of laid thefoundation for for what I'm
doing now, because I was, I wasreally focused on there, just

(12:12):
how we could cultivate our ownenergy field, and for me that
was, that was very it was veryeasy to see and feel that alone
in the woods, you know likeinteracting with things.
And that's when I met Karen orwhen I lived out there, and so I

(12:32):
felt like this deep, deeplonging.
You know, like everybody goesthrough this right, like you
have some kind of profoundspiritual or mystical experience
.
Yes, you know, you can't reallyput it into words and you know
it.
It shifts everything you knowand it's, like I said earlier,

(12:55):
like the only place you can gofrom there is trying to share
that with others.
Somehow, you know, and it'skind of aligning your outer
expression with your inner call,which is really what branding
is.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
That's all that exactly you know it's.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's a revelation of your energy field.
Yeah, it's an alignment of yourouter expression with your
inner call.
And you know, I really feellike, of course, branding
manifests in the physical, likein the form of fonts and in a
website and etc.
But you know, it also has anetheric dimension and a

(13:33):
spiritual dimension and I'mreally interested, you know, not
in making business strategistsor marketing strategists, but
seers you know, seership is thestrategy, and when you're
experiencing an alignment, youknow with something holy.

(13:55):
everything you do from thatpoint of alignment is is just a
response to your assignment youknow, and it makes all of the
decisions.
If you're in true alignment.
You know all of these business,marketing, branding decisions
that were maybe like reallyoverwhelming or intimidating or
full of doubt, um, they all of asudden become clear because you

(14:18):
have a singular goal and you'relocked into the goal and so
everything should be.
You know, we'll get filteredthrough, like okay, well, um,
it's not about like, do I likethese images?
How do?
How are they positioned, youknow, in my, in the market, in
my field?
It's about like how does thismake me feel when I look at it

(14:42):
and is that feeling helping meachieve my goal or share my
mission?
So that's what I really wantpeople to know and kind of what
my journey has been about.
It's kind of just likecrystallizing what it is that I
even feel which kind of allstarted.

(15:03):
You know in the woods, becauseI feel like so many of us are
all started.
You know in the woods because Ifeel like so many of us are
just like.
You know, even the wordbranding kind of makes me be
like yeah, exactly, or likeboring you know, whatever and um
.
But when you start thinkingabout, thinking about it in
these terms, that it's just anenergy field and it is something

(15:24):
that is going to help youtransmit your message, your
message, your mission, then allof a sudden it becomes like, it
becomes clear, energizing andactually like really exciting,
because you have some focus andit's pulling you and it like all
of the doubt you know kind ofdrops away.

(15:47):
And so, yeah, my work has kindof evolved since then in that
like I want people to know thatthey can do it differently and
it's not just about like I see alot of things about like rest
culture.
You can tell how I feel aboutit by my laugh.
And we were talking earlierabout how not giving into hustle

(16:10):
culture.
But what I don't think that isis giving into what I would call
toxic rest culture.
Right, and it's actually quitethe opposite, because if you are
stewarding a holy assignment,it is like an, an, an.
It's an unextinguishable flame.
Like you are being pulled andyou, you have an energy that you

(16:31):
don't know where it comes from,and so your output not only is
it greater because you have moreenergy and focus, but it can
somehow go, go further becauseof that focus.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, then, if you were trying to, um, kind of
fit your mission into moreconventional like marketing,
let's say someone is feelingthat call to usher in their,
their mission and they're justdealing with you know so much

(17:06):
information coming in and out oftheir field and they may have
the energy for it, but they'rejust feeling sort of overwhelmed
and confused by that's what Ifeel like today.
It's like information overloadand trying to strip down bare

(17:29):
bones of what truly is yours andwhat truly feels like a passion
and on fire.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I think because of even like comparison and looking
at what other people are doing,I think it first requires you
to remove a lot of things thatare in it or obstructing it, and

(18:14):
you know this, honestly, justlooks like things like digital
detoxing, food detoxing, frienddetoxing yes, detoxing food
detoxing, friend detoxing yes.
And because I think sometimeswe don't realize, how much we're
carrying around with us.
You know the opinions of otherpeople, and so I think that you

(18:36):
know, and this has to be done ina way that's sustainable, right
.
You can't just like go on aretreat, feel great and then
come home and be like back toyour yeah your same old thing.
So I think you kind of have tolike put yourself, you have to
put holy things in your orbit.
And so for me what that lookedlike is being in nature.

(19:04):
You know, cause that was for melike the most direct, beautiful
manifestation of God'screativity.

(19:26):
You know it soothes my nervoussystem.
It helped me um, clear you know, anxiety or just thoughts that
didn't belong with me, and youknow it just like kind of
brought me back to my I'll sayzero point, yeah, and you have

(19:48):
to kind of like remove a lot ofstuff, yeah, before you can,
because I mean it's very easy tolike talk to God.
You know like we pray, wemeditate, you know we do
whatever, but the listening andthe receiving, I think, is

(20:08):
harder.
And so yeah, and so I think that, you know, when we can kind of
clear away a lot of the clutterand be in a space where it's
just us, you know, and like thereal us, and for me that's, you
know, in nature, then then wecan start to receive, you know,

(20:31):
because a lot of this is sosubtle and I know you know what
I'm talking about.
And so, um, and people receivemessages differently, right,
like, you know, like I amprobably like, my most
predominant one is likeclaircognizance, like I just
know, you know, which is funnybecause people think that, um,

(20:57):
I'm like a visual person, solike I, I probably mostly see
things and that's actually likethe one that I have the least of
.
And so I think that when you um, when you can remove all of the
outer influence and get back toyourself, then you can kind of
clear that channel for listening.
And you know, like, and it wasalways there all along, but, you

(21:21):
know, sometimes we just can'thear it because of all of the
other junk that's around.
So, you know, I think everybodyhas to, um, like the biggest,
the biggest tool I think here isto like realize how you talk to

(21:43):
God and how God talks back,because that is going to allow
you to come into that holyalignment and come into your
true creative self, right,because we're here as creative
beings to like contributesomething, and once you are in

(22:03):
alignment there, then you knoweverything is going to become a
lot more clear.
So then your job is to makesure that, like you, you're
listening, and so part of thatis knowing how you receive
messages, and so you know, and alot of that, I think, just

(22:24):
looks like time by yourself andlike observing yourself, to
start noticing, like when youfeel inspired or how ideas come
to you, Because I feel like alot of people have a lot of
gifts that they're not evenreally aware of.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And they feel like it's second nature, which is
awesome.
That's not bad.
But if they were to actuallyrealize that, wow, this is an
open channel here, I couldcultivate this and use this to
bring more in alignment with mydivine mission, you know then,

(23:09):
like we could get so muchfurther, so much faster yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I think that's the hardest part.
Is you know seeing?
How do you see what's exactlyin front of your face?
You know?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, because it's not like it's figuring it out,
it's not like a rational one,two, three step, which I feel
like is why I'm kind of talkingin circles around the thing.
But I feel like, um, it's likeit's the ability to kind of, you
know, take that second andthird position in your life and

(23:42):
realize how you feel when doingwhat around you know, around
certain people, certain places,and like having the clarity and
the energy to recognize thatsomething is happening,
something is shifting.
You know there's, there's amessage that I feel differently

(24:03):
all of a sudden, you knowwhatever it is and you can't get
to that place without likeremoving you know.
I mean, we live in a worldwhere everybody's trying to
poison us Exactly, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm not going to go there, but it's like you know,
and it's not a big deal becausewe have the tools, you know, to
combat that.
You know so like whatever, butthat's the reality.
And so you have to kind of likedo a little decluttering so
you're even like aware of thesethings, because everybody has
these innate abilities.
You know like we're made to belike in relationship with the

(24:40):
divine, so there is an inherentrelay that happens.
You just have to, you know,realize what yours is.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, and then when?
Yeah, so.
So for me, a lot of thisinvolves like synchronicity,
which I think is a big part of,like, the relationship with the
divine.
To me, synchronicity always islike a pathway or a way shower

(25:08):
of like something drops in andit's like, oh, okay, you know,
this is a sign I should befollowing this path, because
this thing, just like you know,dropped in for me and I don't
know if you have like otherthings like that that are sort
of lights along the pathway.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, um, yeah.
I think that we're also here toexperience deep joy, and so I
love that.
I use um, the presence of fear,as a barometer a lot of the

(25:53):
times.
And then I feel like this isreally important, Um, cause I
don't see a lot of peopletalking about discernment of
spirits, especially and you know, especially in like I'll call
it new age circles.
Um, you know, there are a lotof energies out there

(26:15):
masquerading as energies oflight, and so sometimes, you
know, and especially in the ageof information and also when,
like, you're on a spiritual path, you know how it is it's like
exhilarating.
There's this hunger like oh mygosh, you just unlocked this
thing about yourself.
When you feel amazing, likewhat else is out there to learn?
You know we all kind of gothrough this and, um, I feel

(26:38):
like, um, you know there arespirits out there that want to
kind of, you know, veer you offyour path.
And you know one of the toolsthat I use to kind of make sure
that everything that I'mengaging with in any way is like

(27:03):
in alignment with my mission is, you know all very clearly,
like, feel like fear, even ifit's really subtle and if I feel
that I know it's a no-go.
Really A lot of people can like, yeah, you think you can like
if anybody is using like fear intheir marketing.

(27:25):
Oh, exactly Like and like maybethey're trying to like teach you
something good, yeah, or maybenot even like in marketing, like
maybe it's not even always thatdirect, but in any kind of
spiritual practice.
I feel like anybody who's usingthat.
It's like an inverted thing.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's an inverted.
Well, that's yeah Like painpoint marketing, you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
And also just like um .
I mean, I said marketing, butbut what I what's bigger and
like more important is just likewhat they're teaching.
Yes, you know if it's liketeaching you to have a certain
kind of attitude, that's one offear, that's not.
You know, that's coming back towhat we were talking about

(28:11):
before the call, like is thisthe energy of creation or is
this the energy of destruction?
And sometimes the line is likeit's hard to tell where the line
is sometimes.
But I feel like you know, if,if anyone, if I feel like fear
coming into my body in any kindof way, when I'm either looking
at someone's marketing, orlooking at their message, or or,

(28:35):
or just like teachings oranything, um, it's a no-go for
me because that, because of whatwe're here to experience, deep
and profound joy and you know,anything that is fear-based, um,
it's an inversion of that, andso I don't engage.
So that is something that, likeyou talked about

(28:59):
synchronicities guiding you, Ifeel a lot of things like
immediately in my body, sinceyou know sensations, and I
picked fear to talk about,because that one is a very
obvious one that we feel in ourbody in different ways, but I

(29:20):
think just a lot of people don'teven realize, like when
something doesn't make them feelgood, yeah, and I think that
that is definitely a skill worthcultivating, because that's an
energy sucker, yep worthcultivating.
Because that's an energy suckerand, you know, even if it feels
productive, like maybe you feellike you should keep up with the

(29:42):
news, you know, maybe you feellike you should call that person
and check in, you know, becausethat's like the right thing to
do.
Things like that that like youthink are coming from like a
responsible, caring place butactually are like, um, you know,

(30:04):
it's like a, it's like rot inyour body.
You know it just blows throughyour energy.
So those are kind of the thingsthat I like watch out for.

(30:25):
But you know, the opposite isalso true.
Like feeling positive things inyour body, like feeling like
you should go somewhere or talkto a certain person.
Like my husband is so good atthis, he's like, you know, I
feel like I should go to the gymright now and I'm like, are you
serious?
We have like 40 things we needto get done.
Yeah, yeah, he's like I'm justgoing to go for like a quick

(30:47):
work and I'm like, okay, and hegoes and he like meets someone
and makes this like insanebusiness connection and this
stuff happens to him.
All the time.
I feel like this issynchronicity.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
You know, like that's part of it is like listening to
those messages where you'relike I have no idea why, but I'm
taking a left instead of aright and I you know it's
following that and yeah it'sinteresting and you have to
leave room for it, right?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, and that's the detox, that's part of like being
able to discern what's going onwith yourself and part of
clearing out the field a littlebit.
It's just like following those,you know, those hits, you know,
and being like because those,those, that is where the
universe is speaking and it'slike that can change your life.

(31:32):
It's.
I can't tell you how many timesI'm like I have no idea why I'm
going here, but I met someonethere that, like you know, it
changed the pathway of my life,or the direction of my life, or
it opened something up for me,and so I was wondering if, since
we're on this topic, I don'tknow how you met Karen, or, but
you said I'm assuming you mether in the Berkshires or like no

(31:57):
.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, I've never met her in person.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Um.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I through Dana.
I was doing um a logo for Danaand she was kind of you know,
explaining the light language tome and she's, like, you know, I
think you would really like it,you should, you should, you
know, go learn about the sacredgeometry and I was, like you
know, that feels like, you know,really aligned like with my

(32:22):
business.
You know, I'm like all rationalmind about it.
And so I got on her email listand when she offered the next
intro class I just took it.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
So and yeah, so I'll just preface.
So Karen Orr is, um, my teacher, one of my teachers in this
lineage, the Mayan Coranderolineage of um from Veracruz, and
it's the.
The Mayans were, um, you know,deep uh lineage of shamans, and
so there's, most people knowlike Eastern Mexican lineage,

(32:57):
which is a little more of likeworking with herbs and doing
limpias and cleaning and workingwith more earth-based medicine.
And then the Western Mayancurandero lineage was much more
energetic based and so theybrought through this um,

(33:24):
energetic mode, I don't want tosay modality, they were seers of
basically the universallanguage of geometry and color.
And so star fuentesentes, who isthe current holder of this
lineage she studied with.

(33:45):
She was kind of the firstoutsider and they knew that
there was going to be someonethat was not from Mexico that
was going to take the lineageand hold it, someone that was
not from Mexico that was goingto take the lineage and hold it.
And so Star studied in Mexico.
I can't remember I should knowI was supposed to like memorize
the whole line of teachers.
I'm just like, but anyways.

(34:07):
So she basically studied foryears with her teacher and her
teacher would just write theshapes in the the ground with a
stick and then like erase themand star had to, like bring them
in and what?
What it is is a caught teaching,basically.
So the the teacher holds thegrids for the um the geometry in

(34:32):
her field, the um the geometryin her field and or in their
field, and then passes it on tothe student and then in night
school.
What's called night school isyou receive you're like in a
classroom while you're sleepingand you're receiving the
downloads for all of thisinformation of light and color

(34:55):
and geometry.
It's pretty wild, like I havenot done advanced light language
, but Dana has.
You should.
Yeah, you've done advanced,yeah, yeah, so do you have the
software on your computer?
Uh-huh.
So this is how powerful thismedicine really is.
Like Dana had a computer thatcouldn't even run the software

(35:19):
because it's so powerful, and Idon't know if you're, I don't
know how it works with yourcomputer, but like she just it
just basically like blew hercomputer out or she had to get
another computer that just heldthose software for light
language hell of a software forlight language.

(35:41):
Yeah, I haven't experienced that, but there well, I know that
there are two people whodeveloped software, so I'm not
sure if we have the same.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you do,because it's Carinor's.
Did you get it through, carinor?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
yeah, but two students, okay, made their own
versions of the software okay soit's both software.
That's for the lineage, but um,so I don't know if we have the
same yeah, yeah, the same one.
But um, it's really amazingbecause you can build the grids
in one part.
But then the part that I reallylike is you can just watch a

(36:10):
single shape spin.
So you, you pick, um, yeah, soyou pick.
There are like 144 plus shapes,um, and you pick your shape and
then you give it.
There are like a an equalamount of colors to choose from,
and then you kind of just watchit.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So yeah, and so the go ahead.
Of the color, I, the color andthe shape together create a
definition.
So shapes universal.
And this is all based off ofthe five platonic solids, which
is the language of the universe.
It's how you know, the universeis constructed in sacred
geometry.
And then when you add color,which is a vibratory field, you

(36:53):
bring those two together and itcreates a definition.
So, for example, let's talkabout one like a pyramid.
So pyramids are, they'represervers, the structure of the
pyramid.
So you can put like fruit undera pyramid and it will last like

(37:14):
three times longer in yourkitchen, like you can literally
build a structure of a pyramidand put fruit under it and it's
so wild.
And it will last for weeks andweeks and weeks.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
And like the central point in the pyramid is like the
, where the, the energy ofpreservation coming up from that
stable square base meets theenergy of cultivation that's
coming down from the point likeright in the middle, and that's
actually where the king'schamber is, like in the pyramids

(37:49):
of Egypt.
It's like right at that centerpoint center point.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I knew I wanted to talk to you about this because I
feel, like you, you have like adeep there's people that have
like a deeper understanding oflight language, Like Dana's.
Really, I loved, like duringthe pandemic we came together
and started writing gridsbecause we were like she had
posted something about it onRama Facebook page, because Guru

(38:18):
Jagat was like share your gifts, and so she wrote about it and
I was like, wait, you studied inthis lineage.
I studied in this lineage, Likehow I don't know anyone that
knows about this so we gottogether and started writing
grids.
Like we wrote grids for thewomen and started writing grids.

(38:39):
Like we wrote grids for thewomen and I learned so much
about the language because sheis a systems person, yeah, and
so she had like a very differentsort of way of going about
understanding the, the geometryyou know.
So everybody brings their owngifts to the language.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
So I'm it's very cool listening to you talk about it
and I'm wondering if you want tospeak a little bit about your
own experiences with thislanguage and Well, I've kind of
taken um, so I'm also reallyinterested in gematria, which is

(39:15):
study of numbers, specificallyin like a Hebrew alphabet
context, and so what I starteddoing, just as a fun experiment,
is like so if you look at ashape like let's take the
pyramid, just because we'retalking about that, it's made up

(39:38):
of points, it is made up offaces, right and edges, and so I
was thinking about this, andyou know I love thinking about

(40:03):
the shapes as like messengers,as little packets of of energy,
and so the point on, on anygiven shape, on any given
polygon, it's, it's points areabout culmination, right things
coming together, and so, um,faces are about kind of like, um

(40:24):
, face energy, like what, what?
The outward presentation isokay, and then an edge is where
the direction changes.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
So if you think about like culmination, or rather,
let's look at it this way If youthink about the face like an
identity, an edge where thatidentity changes direction and a
point where all of thisculminates, and then you look at

(41:01):
the numbers involved, so likehow many faces, how many edges,
how many points or vertices.
Okay, so you have three numbers, right, like how many of each
of these things, and then Iwould be looking them up in

(41:21):
Gematria.
So for those that the value of14, as in you know their
individual letter characters,you know, assigned a number, I

(41:49):
think in Hebrew there's like 22.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I think so 22.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
22?
I think so 22.
So you know every word has anumber assigned to it because
it's letters add up to create athing, and so I was taking these
three numbers from any polygon.
Are you still with me?
Am I making?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
sense yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I was taking these three numbers and looking up
what each of them meant and Ifelt like it was revealing
another dimension and also justbuild because, like when, when
we learn about them, we we kindof, as you know, like learn a

(42:29):
general kind of interpretationof the energy, yes, of the shape
and how it moves.
And some things are really goodat collecting, you know, and
other things are really good atyou know penetrating and
expanding and moving quickly,you know, stopping absorbing, et
cetera.

(43:02):
Amazing to see thecorrespondences between the
numbers and kind of how I had inmy mind, assigned an energy to
a face, an edge and a vertice,and like interpret those through
the lens of the gematria.
And so I just kind of startedwriting these poems about the
shapes and so and I was sharingit for a little while on my

(43:23):
Instagram Um, I have a couplethat I didn't share on Instagram
that I'll send you, but it waskind of like I don't know Cause,
I would just like read it andthings would open up to me, wow.
And I feel like that is aresult of putting myself in a

(43:45):
space where I've gotten to knowmyself so deeply that I know how
I receive messages and I'mclear enough to not only
recognize them but trust andtranslate them.
And this is a gift thateverybody can cultivate in any
area of their life.
And setting yourself up to havethese moments of unstructured,

(44:13):
intuitive play and receivingwith no goal in mind is so, so
important, because I feel like Icouldn't tell you how many
times that I have had a plan andlike what I think is a really
good plan and I like totallyabandoned it, because something

(44:39):
else, just sort of like just youknow, floats through my mind
and I just feel thisirresistible pull towards it.
Wow, and it's exciting to me andI feel like, like you know you
asked me earlier, like whatother signs, like
synchronicities, you know, canpeople kind of watch out for or

(45:01):
employ, like when looking forguidance?
And I think that you know, notbeing afraid to pivot, yeah, and
following the joy and theenergy, but also, in a way, you
know, that's in align with yourgoals, right, because we don't
want to get sidetracked, becausewe're here on a mission, but

(45:24):
like, leaving room for all ofthat is so important and can
open you up to something biggerand more beautiful and creative
and miraculous than you hadinitially ever even planned for.
But you have to, like, leaveroom for God, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, this is like I feel like this is the.
The title of this podcast isleave room for God, which we're
right now.
There's a very like purposefuluh bombardment going on and you
know we had talked about that,as you know, with chemicals.
But alongside, you know, ai isa part of that, you know, and

(46:05):
just the bombardment ofinformation, and you know, and
it's like AI needs to be anothertool in the toolbox, not
something where we're I mean,yeah, that's a rabbit hole.
I don't necessarily want to godown, but this is the thing it's
.
It's pulling things back, it'spulling everything back.

(46:27):
It's getting off social media,it's getting off your phone.
It's you know, it'sunderstanding the resonance of
your own nervous system.
Enough and your field, you know, if you're constantly in this
low grade buzz, it's.
You know, for me it's coffee,like.
That is such a like, it's sucha dangerous space for me because

(46:49):
it tips over from me waking upto like me just being like
completely out of my, my ownfield and my own sensitivity.
And what is interesting is, Ithink, the more sensitive you
are, the more intuitive you are,the more you know understanding

(47:21):
your nerve, the deep set ofwhat your nervous system is at
like a real pure I don't want tosay pure, that's the wrong word
to use but like.
What does your nervous systemfeel like when it's really enjoy
, really set in that place ofdeep relaxation?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
you know, yeah.
And I I also feel like inalignment.
Like you said, it's importantto have boundaries.
I also feel, like you know, aswe're becoming more sensitive,
it's also really important toground ourselves and and also
remember that, like we're hereon earth, you know, we're

(48:07):
physical beings and I, a lot ofpeople just like to hate on
earth.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I know, you know they're like I don't want to be
here.
It's, it's part of theprogramming.
To be honest, like theprogramming is like you're not
supposed to feel good and that'sa deep programming.
Joy is actually like there'ssomething wrong and um and earth
is a hellscape.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, because they want to take the most powerful
people that have actually wokenup to their sensitivities and
disengage them from likeactually doing anything to shift
anything here.
So, yeah, yeah, so I I thinkthat, like you know, perspective

(48:56):
and humor has become reallyimportant to me.
You know that you know it canfeel like a burden to carry and

(49:25):
I feel like it is important tonot let yourself get stuck in
the muck.
You know, like you have to.
You have to keep moving, youhave to leave room for joy.
You have to, again, you know,have the ability to like realize

(49:46):
that you're not operating atyour highest capacity right now
because you're feeling a certainkind of way that's maybe
negative or just not productive,and and you have to, you know,
um reset, go ground, like havesome perspective.
You know be able to like shakeit off and do something that

(50:09):
feels like completely ordinaryor mundane or I don't know.
Am I making sense?
like you have to, um, because itcan all.
It can be serious and it can beheavy.
You know, when you're trying toto do something big, yeah and

(50:31):
um, I think it's important to,like, give yourself a little bit
of a break, you know, becauseyou're not the only one on your
team.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, and let yourself be held and let
yourself receive.
I had to learn is that I feltlike I had such a such a clear
vision of what I wanted to doand what I wanted things to be

(51:03):
like that I didn't really wantto accept anybody else's help
because nobody could do it.
Like how I could do it, yes andum, you know, if, if you're
going to grow and serve morepeople, then like that's part of
being a leader is to figure outhow you can do more sometimes
with less yeah and and, and.

(51:26):
Part of that is, you know,realizing when you're just when
you need to take a step back andrecalibrate and, you know, just
shift your energy a little bit,which sometimes feels like not
productive.
You know, like I need to keepgoing, I need to get this thing
out.
I have a plan and I'm excitedabout it.

(51:47):
Why should I stop, you know?
But if you're starting to feellike you know like you need a
teal dodecahedron, right thenyou need to like take a step
back and, in honor, like that,rest, because that's going to
allow you to serve people more.
So, sometimes, like, themoments that I've actually
stopped and really not wanted toare the moments when I come

(52:09):
back and I'm like three times asefficient.
You know, I have a one-year-olddaughter.
My work sessions are sometimeslike very limited and you know
there's this like desire to geta lot of things done in a small
amount of time and you know,some days just don't call for
that and it's hard to not forcemyself to do that.
But that is that scarcitymindset, that fear creeping in

(52:33):
and like if I give into that,then even if I do sit in front
of my computer for two hours,like it's not going to be very
good work and I'm going to bemiserable, which is going to
affect the rest of my day,whereas if I waited to like the
next day, you know where I wasfeeling a little bit more fresh.
Yeah, you'll get it done twiceas fast.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
And I do this all the time.
Oh, it's such a good thing totalk about, Like I'll push
myself and then I'm just, youknow, and I've just sat and
wasted three hours on the on thecomputer instead of you know,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
And you don't like as a creative person is really
important.
Like what you make is actuallynot any good.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, exactly, I'm curious about two things how did
you get into the saints andthen talk about the importance
of sigils, and they kind of gohand in hand a little bit yeah,

(53:28):
um, um, saints.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Okay.
So I mean it started reallywith the Isle of Iona and where
is that?
Scotland, that's what I thoughtwestern coast of Scotland and I
went in 2019 for the first timeand the monastery was, I mean,

(53:54):
the island had a long, longhistory of spirituality.
It was definitely.
It had a lot of Druid activity,it had a lot of pagan Pictish
activity and then that was therelong before St Columba landed

(54:14):
there.
It was like, I think, sometimein the sixth century.
And I mean I've always beeninterested in miracles and I I
don't know really how to talkabout it.
Um, it started with St Columbaand just kind of rereading the

(54:37):
story of his life and you knowhe performed a lot of miracles
and you know they inspiredpeople to live a holy life.
But there's also kind of thislike fierce, like spiritual war

(54:58):
leadership around a lot of theiractivities and kind of like a
boldness and like a committed,like deeply, deeply committed
devotion that I have always beendrawn to.
And so I started kind oflooking into saints and

(55:18):
different stories and miraclesand I kind of realized it's like
I mean, I didn't grow upCatholic or anything, so maybe
you know people who grew upCatholic, where you're talking
about saints regularly are morefamiliar with these things, but
they weren't stories that I hadencountered in modern culture.
Um, and I can tell you why.

(55:39):
I think that is, but probably no, and so I just like the
miracles are so beautiful, youknow, deep healing, you know
counseling kings and justtransforming people's lives, and

(56:00):
, um, I think that the more thatwe read those kinds of stories,
the more that we realize thatthey're still happening today
and that they can still happentoday.
Um, and so I it's just kind ofbecome a fun hobby to read, um,

(56:20):
so it's called the hagiography.
That just means like the lifeof a saint.
Usually it's written by like asaint that um was alive or
someone that was alive duringtheir lifetime, during the
saint's life, and so it will,you know, tell you about the
miracles and um, who they served, how many monasteries they
built, and I, just kind of itwas also beautiful, you know,

(56:46):
and full of love and devotionand deep, deep reverence, and
that's something that, um, youknow, I'm always looking for
ways that we can be morereverent in our lives and they
just seem like such good rolemodels for me, and so now it's
just become, you know, fun andexciting to read their stories.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Growing up Catholic, I'm likehuh Did you grow up.
Catholic, yeah, and I have avery different view of the
church.
I think, you know, it's alwaystwo sides and focusing on there
are these, you know, individualswho are called into deep

(57:36):
devotion, you know, and that's a, that's a beautiful, it's
beautiful and I think it'staking the, the lives and the
inspiration you know, and themedicine and the cultivation and
what I found interesting, likejust you talking about the women
, you know, in the like in thefree guide, and I was like man,

(58:01):
you never hear about this.
Yeah, you know, yeah, you don'thear about female leaders and
Women levitating during prayeryeah, and you know.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Women levitating during prayer yeah, and you know
, I think too.
What I was really drawn to whenI read their stories was that
they were so clearly guided andplugged into something way
bigger than themselves and theywere letting that feed them.
They were making room for thatin their lives and look at what

(58:38):
they did as a result.
And their stories are beingtold centuries later and just
the legacy is so profound.
And I'm interested in thisconcept of rewilding monotheism
because I feel like there's sucha beautiful devotion and focus

(59:01):
and clarity that comes from justbeing in alignment with your
mission and I feel like, likewhen you're plugged into one
source, it guides youdifferently, you have a

(59:22):
different kind of confidence andclarity and it just really
makes sense to me.
But I feel like you know it'skind of a dirty word.
I feel like you know it's kindof a dirty word and or it feels
restrictive or it feelsoppressive to most people
because you know, maybe they'vegrown up, you know, in in a

(59:46):
negative environment and yeah, Iwill.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
For me, I like the idea of the rewilding because
that brings in the feminine,almost, you know, because I'm
always like where is thefeminine in this?
You know, and I'm not sayingfeminine as in, as in female,
I'm talking about, you know, theother polarity.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
You know, yeah, you do see these examples, in these
women, these saints, you know,there's like a wild, fertile,
dark, and I think that, likecreativity for me is so much a
part of that, and like theunstructured play that we've

(01:00:29):
been talking about, and I feellike I don't know.
It's something that I'm kind ofjust energy field.
I think Maybe that'spresumptuous to say, but at

(01:01:16):
least I I haven't felt itanywhere and I feel like um.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I think this is where people oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Well, you said um, you know, I was listening to you
and Kathy Izzo, and you saidsomething like um, you're
talking about how you were toldthat all you need to do is sing,
like just keep singing.
And you called it somethinglike the power of like, the

(01:01:45):
singularity, or just the simplelike you've just locked in to
that and and the thing that you,it's not just like the locking
in, but it's the thing thatyou've locked into, it's not
only the thing that brings youthe greatest joy, but it's a
creative act which means thatsomeone else's is going to like

(01:02:07):
encounter it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
You know, like you're making and you're giving and
you're sharing, and I feel, likeyou know, when we're locked
into the origin point of likeall of this creativity, it's
like it can become explosive andit's like deeper and more
mysterious and beautiful thanlike any of us can ever fathom

(01:02:34):
and, um, I just feel like I havenot, um, I have not encountered
like, I feel like I encounteredthis by myself in the woods and
that it's just one thing, but Ihaven't um, I haven't felt it
anywhere elsewhere.
But I would like to figure outhow to talk about it more.

(01:02:56):
Okay, so the sigils Do you wantto talk about the sigils?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I want to talk about sigils.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
This is such a core foundation of, it's always been
a core foundation of yourmarketing, your branding, your
yeah, and how I've come tounderstand it has changed a lot
since, like when I first startedtalking about it, when I've I
learned sigils in like a verytraditional, like Western magic

(01:03:25):
context and like a lot of thathad to do with like well, should
we talk about what a sigil is?
Yeah, let's talk about what asigil is first and foremost
because people might not know,Okay, so sigils, at least the
way I practice them it's thecreation of a personal symbol,

(01:03:49):
usually abstract in nature, andits form is derived from letters
that are pulled from anintention or a desired state of
being.
So, so, like you know, youwould say, um, you know, maybe
you're sigilling for a promotionat work or it's something.

(01:04:12):
So you would, you would writeout an intention, and then
there's like a whole process ofkind of distilling it down and
then abstracting the letters andcreating, you know, what
ultimately is like a singularsymbol, um.
And then you know, the way Ilearned it, which I haven't

(01:04:35):
really taught this dimension ofit was that there is kind of a
deployment of the sigil and ithas to do with the rulers of the
hours.
The rulers of the hours, solike different spirits that rule

(01:05:02):
different days, uh, differenttimes, and kind of um, you know,
getting them to help you and itis very effective, but I, I
don't really want to teach itthat way.
I don't feel like that's mineto teach and I feel like, also,
people kind of like don'tnecessarily know what they're

(01:05:23):
dealing with and they might notwant to deal with it, you know.
So I currently am thinking abouta um, you know, cause, like I'm
an image maker, I like images,they hold meaning, they focus me
.
The creation of the image inand of itself, or the sigil as

(01:05:44):
we're talking about here, youknow, takes the maker on, you
know, a whole revelatory journeyin and of itself, you know.
I mean, I'm sure you know thatsometimes even just figuring out
what you want is its own thing.
And so it's funny, because Ihad this whole sigil workshop

(01:06:05):
written, I had the slides made,and I realized that like
something about the practicelike didn't feel in alignment
with with me anymore.
And it was.
It was that element of it wasthe timing element, like the

(01:06:27):
rulers of of the days and thehours, the days and the hours,
and also we could talk aboutastrology here too.
And, um, I felt like I'll justsay it, I feel like astrology,

(01:06:47):
has always slowed me down and Ifeel like a lot of people are
like um, I, I work, I work withpeople who sometimes they want
to launch on a specificastrological day, and I
understand that and I feel likein a lot of instances it's great
and aligned, but I also see alot of instances where it's an

(01:07:09):
excuse to put something off andI feel like these things are
tools until they're not you know, and I feel like that's really
important.
And so what I want to developlike further in the sigil
practice, which really what I Ifeel like I have my own unique

(01:07:31):
contribution to this field inthat like I want to talk about
more how to let the symbolsreveal themselves to you, and so
it's less of a personal willand more of a creative
collaboration with the divine,like what we've been talking
about.
So I want to talk about thatand I want to talk about, like

(01:07:51):
singular point of focus, youknow, mission oriented things,
rather than feeling like youneed to make contracts with
certain spirits to carry thingsout for you, um, which is like
traditionally, like mosthardcore sigil casters, like

(01:08:11):
talk about it in this kind offield, and so that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Can you give an example of what a spirit?

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I don't know if you can speak to that or like yeah,
so, um, in like old Westernmagic grimoires, um, like there
are different ones.
Um, like there are differentones, um, picatrix, hygromantia,

(01:08:41):
these are books of magic thathave been written and found and
are still in use today, and so alot of them will have what is
called a table of hours in them,and so what that is is and they
of you know, you see themchange a little bit depending on
, like, the region and the timeand the culture that they were
written in but it's an angel ora demon that rules the day,

(01:09:07):
rules the hour, and so what thegrimoire, or whoever usually the
grimoire is like we call it agrimoire now, but it's like
someone's journal, like amagician's journal that has been
found, and so, yeah, and sosometimes it's a deeply personal

(01:09:28):
, like table of spirits thathave been revealed to them as
helpers of certain kinds.
Sometimes it's connected to,like in Kabbalah, they talk
about the Shem Ham Farash.
I'm not going to say it right,shem Ham Farash it's like 72

(01:09:50):
angels and like each one is adifferent facet of God, and so
there's also like some debate asto because some of the angels
fell and some people call those,you know, bad influences, and
other people say, oh well,they're the ones that, like,
actually revealed all of thisinformation to us and they're

(01:10:11):
helpful.
And so, you see, people talkabout them in different kinds of
ways, um, and so they've beenassigned different days,
different times.
And so, like, let's say, youknow, if you were sigilling for
a job or something, you youprobably want to go on a on a

(01:10:38):
Thursday because Thursday is aJupiter day, right?
And so then you would use, thenyou would try to look up what
time of the day, and you wouldlook up, um, you know what
spirit ruled what hour, whattheir attributes were, and so,

(01:10:58):
when the sigils are all done andyou take them into ceremony and
cast them for lack of a betterterm you are invoking these
spirits to help you, and so thatalways involves a contract
Interesting, and what is casting?

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Is it what used to be like metal metalworking, or you
know what is that?
Or is that just ceremony?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It's just ceremony, but I like that.
You said that, because castingin metallurgy is bringing
something into form.
Yeah, and that's what we'redoing in ceremony we're, we're,
we're precipitating somethingdown, you know, we're calling it
into form, and so I yeah, um, Iwant to do it differently.

(01:11:51):
Now do it differently now.
So the contracts, the contractsthat bind, yeah, yeah and um,
and people just don't know whatthey're dealing with.
Yeah, they don't know whatthey're getting to.
They like, they like, buy oneof these things off of Amazon
and they just like repeat thewords and you have no idea.
You know what I mean, and so umyou don't understand what you're

(01:12:13):
tying yourself to.
Yeah, and like contracts can bebroken.
It's not a big deal, but youknow there's a better way to do
things.
You know um a way that involvesmore joy.
You know, and and and morecreativity and, and, you know,
unconditional love and help.
You know, like you were talkingabout and that's what I really

(01:12:36):
feel called to talk about isthat dimension that's available
to us, you know, because, yeah,you can get a lot of things done
by making contracts veryeffective, you know, but it has,
it does not hold a candle tounconditional love.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
So this is why I love light language and light
language grid so much, andwriting someone a grid that
maybe wants a job and givingthem 144, you know, shape grid
or something, because it'sneutral.
There's a neutrality to it Imean, really there isn't because
what these shapes do is they gointo the personal field and

(01:13:14):
they kind of push out anythingthat's like with light, you know
they're pushing out the thingsthat kind of like are holding
someone back, or but they're.
You're not, it's clean.
You're not like tying yourselfto any sort of like elemental or
being on the planet that youknow.

(01:13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
And I feel like there are so many practices that like
we're drawn to them becauselike they just seem like old and
rich and mysterious andbeautiful for some way, but
sometimes we really don't knowwhat we're dealing with.
And, yeah, I think peopleshould be careful.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I agree.
This is where I have like areal issue with like people
getting into witchcraft andthose kind of things that don't
come from a lineage or don'tknow what their lineage is,
because they just they don'tunless you've studied and you've

(01:14:25):
you know come from a coven or along line it's like you don't
know, like we, there's so muchgoing on on the planet that we
can't see, and um, and likethings that we do that we feel

(01:14:51):
are harmless and have noconsequences, and um, you just
kind of open yourself up to likethese forces yeah, you know
it's like spiritual warfare.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It truly is, and um one of my teachers, oh go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
No, you go oh, one of my initial teachers was a seer
like could see the dimensionalbeings that were happening, you
know, taking place and coming inand out of rooms.
And she was like Janae, youdon't want this gift.
You know, this is not a giftthat you want, because the

(01:15:34):
things that you see that keepyou up at night.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, but I mean it's important to acknowledge that,
like there are also many thingsthat are here to help us too, I
think you know.
So it's like I don't want toget all like freaky, but, um,
because, like, the things thatare like fighting for good far
outweigh you know what's bad andand you know the power of

(01:16:02):
unconditional love can justblast any of those things out.
So it's like it's.
It's like it's like a big deal,but it's not a big deal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah For sure.
But I just think people should,you know, like every decision
that we make should, should be aconscious engagement with this
unconditional love you know, andyou know, if we can, you know

(01:16:24):
cause I?
I find that, like most peopleseem to be looking for some kind
of power.
You know, maybe they wouldn'tcall it power you.
You know, maybe power to themis like not feeling anxious.
You know, maybe power to themis is not being stuck in a job
that they feel like is isdraining them, you know, um or

(01:16:46):
the power of feeling special.
Yeah and um, and you can findthat in like everything that
we've been talking about, injust like learning how to listen
, and it's just like a greaterand deeper and more joyful.

(01:17:09):
It's just like a deep peace.
It's just like a deep peace andlike, when you have deep peace,
you're not looking for powerbecause you, you, you're not,
you don't have things that youfeel like need fixing and you
don't have anything to prove.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yeah, it's so interesting.
The more that I heal and moveinto the space that you're
talking about, the more I'm likepart.
I, you know, wanted to be onstage, was to like, fill this
hole that I thought was, but itwas just feeding this thing, you

(01:17:46):
know, and deep ego wound youknow, and once I was able to go,
pull myself out of this andstart to unwind and heal and get
to know the world which is whyI started this podcast versus
like that need to be, likeconstantly feeding that thing,

(01:18:26):
you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Feels good, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I love this conversation because I feel like
I'm healing, just speaking toyou.
There's you hold this powerfulmedicine and I feel it in my
field, like since the minute wegot on I get I'm getting this
like almost like nutrients ornutrition in my field, and that

(01:18:53):
is seeing people and also,whatever that medicine is that
you're holding, it's givingother people permission to
explore their own medicine andslow down, and I think there's
just so many gifts that you holdand that you're going to be

(01:19:17):
giving the world even more thanthan what you're doing now.
And I think you're reallytouching into it, like seeing
your you know your videos onInstagram.
In the last like couple months,I've just been like, oh, I
can't wait until she puts outthe next one because it's
medicine just been like, oh, Ican't wait until she puts out
the next one because it'smedicine, you know.

(01:19:37):
So I'm always looking forwhatever you're putting out and
and this is like it's huge, likeI'm touching into.
You know, I'm just like allthese ideas of like what I'm
learning from you.
I'm like, oh my gosh, you couldteach that, or you could

(01:20:01):
meaning you.
I'm like there's just no end tothe gifts that you could give
the world, you know.
So I think it's like thisbeautiful, you know, you get to,
of course, choose, but I thinkthere's a really deep well of
teaching that is going to help alot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Thanks to me.
Yeah, yeah, I have a lot to do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
We need many lives.
I know, you know, and you'remomming at the same time, and
that's a whole other thing, butI just keep feeling like that
your daughter is so lucky, solucky.
She's like like I mean, I knoweverybody, I believe it about
their kid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
but it's like, yeah, and she's almost, she's almost
two and she's like, you know,talking like we can talk now and
um's just fun, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
I'm like, yeah, I can imagine that that relationship
is just pure magic.
You have that childlike naturein you, so yeah, she definitely
helps me with that.
I love that.
I am so grateful that you tookthe time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Thank you so much for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
I'm so so happy that you took the time.
I feel like we just scratchedthe surface.
I know, I know I always tellpeople I'm like you should come
back on and you know, but Idefinitely feel like we've got
another, another podcast in usand yeah, yeah.
So thank you so much, Thank you.

(01:21:44):
Any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Um, yeah, I guess I, you know I, I just I really want
people to realize how specialthey are and I know that sounds
kind of cheesy, you know, like,but you really are.
So, like, give yourself somesome space and and some play

(01:22:14):
time to connect to your gifts,you know, and figure out like
how you can best be of service.
Because once you figure thatout, like that's your one way to
have like the best life, thehappiest life, with the most joy

(01:22:34):
.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
I love that.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
The Heartlight Sessions podcast is executive
produced and hosted by me, janaeHalstead.
It's edited, mixed and masteredby me too, and that theme song
you hear it's called Heartlight.
And yep, you guessed it, it'sfrom my record.
Disposable Love.
Got questions about a certainhealing modality or about
heart-centered healing, or maybeyou just need some advice on
life, love or creativity.

(01:23:07):
Send it my way, email me atletters at heartlightpodcastcom.
Until next time, I'm JanaeHalstead, and thanks for
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