June 26, 2023 • 48 mins
Have you ever wondered how mentorship can transform your life and career? Join us in this eye-opening episode as we share our personal experiences and discuss the power of having the right mentors in our lives. We talk about our journey mentoring entrepreneurs, other SERVPRO franchise owners, and Classic Recreations in Dallas, as well as our own experiences being mentored. Listen and learn how our daily routines contribute to our higher-up lifestyle and the importance of surrounding ourselves with positive influences.
We explore the benefits of mentorship in various aspects, from referencing 50 Cent's book Hustle Harder, Hustle Smarter to examining the community experience of barbering. Discover how having confidence in ourselves and our products, and the role mentors play in helping us filter advice and reach our goals, is key to success. We also delve into how nurturing a strong public image and responsibility can impact our personal and professional lives.
As we reflect on the importance of having the right mentors to guide our lives and careers, we discuss the impact of athletes like LeBron James and Steph Curry who use their influence to do good and give back. We emphasize the power of social media in finding mentors and providing an inside look into the lives of those doing great things. Don't miss out on this insightful conversation, and be sure to rate us five stars and follow us on social media for more content!
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, hey, hey.
Welcome into the higher uppodcast.
I'm Adam West, a video creator,and I'm joined by an
accomplished entrepreneur, benjiWilson.
Look, our mission is simple, isto empower you in every aspect
of your life, from business,personal growth.
We're just here to inspire youto make a positive impact on the
world through sharing our ownlife experiences and having a
(00:27):
chance to have conversationswith other successful
individuals.
But either way, together we'llexplore living a higher up life.
Let's jump into today's episode.
All right, benji.
Well, welcome in.
We are here for episode seven.
Feels like a long time sincewe've had a chance to sit down
(00:48):
and talk.
It's been a busy two weeks forboth of us, very especially you.
You've been out of the country.
You got a lot of stuff going on.
Summer is busy.
You guys, we've got our annualconvention for our mitigation
company coming up.
You know what I'm just going tosay?
I feel weird always sayingmitigation company.
I feel like people who know usknow who it is.
(01:09):
I don't want to be like thisannual secret reveal.
I mean, i feel like everybodyknows, especially those that
know us.
But obviously it's the SerPRO,which is what you guys are part
of, your franchise owner in theSerPRO system.
So we have our annual SerPROconvention coming up next week
in Tampa.
Man, i wish we had some timenext week, but I know you are
(01:32):
super busy at convention Man,it'd be awesome to sit down.
It would be awesome to sit downand just take our equipment and
just film a podcast there if wehad time next week, But I know
there's no way.
Like our days are especiallyyours, My days are stacked.
I've already gone through andset up my workshops and all
these things.
It'll be great.
It's a lot of this feeds intojust our higher up lifestyle.
(01:53):
I mean the workshops we get todo.
Me working in digital marketinggot a lot of stuff coming up,
Just a bunch of different thingsfor some SEO classes and social
media and just some internalstuff that we got going on.
So it just feels busy is whatI'm saying Just feels good.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah Well, the good thing is.
I mean, today's episode isabout mentorship, and as we go
into our national convention weget to we mentor a lot of other
surf pro owners And I have somesurf pro mentors in.
You know other owners thatmentor me too.
So it's kind of a two waystreet, but we're going to get.
We got some good topics to talkabout and hopefully someone can
(02:31):
get something out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We'll talk about a little bit.
It's exciting because you guys,you know what people don't
really know And you know let'sjust give a little back story
real quick I mean mentorship'simportant.
I think mentorship is probablya heart of yours.
I think it really is.
You know it's a big.
You know, if it was, if if whatyou love doing was a love
language, i feel like mentorshipwould be that for you.
(02:52):
I think you, you know youmentor a group of us at the, you
know, at the church that arepart of the team you mentor.
You know you mentor, like yousaid, other sort of pro owners
you mentor.
I feel like you mentor me, yourone of mine, in terms of just
business and how to handlethings.
I mean obviously being new inthe entrepreneurial world.
I feel like I've called youseveral times like how do I set
(03:13):
up my quick books?
Like just little things likethat you know, like how do I pay
my taxes, you know, so all thiskind of stuff.
But I think that's somethingcool.
Just to give a littlebackground why it is important
and why it's something you knowI hope people can grab some from
the, from this episode is thatyou I mean you've got years of
experience.
You guys used to have atrainership that train you know
what 50, 55 other serve pros andand you're still doing that now
(03:36):
.
You're still training othersort of pros through some peer
groups that you have And it'sjust everyday thing.
You know just running yourbusiness, how to market.
You know how to handleproduction, how to handle issues
, you know how to.
I mean just there's so manydifferent levels that you guys
deal with as entrepreneurs inthis industry.
So it's just been you know.
It's something I know you enjoydoing, so it's cool that you
(03:57):
get a get a moment to sit andtalk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, we have.
I mean, it is, it is, it isprobably one of my, besides our
family and our faith it's, it'sa leading worship.
Obviously it's a big passion ofmine.
But you know, another one alongthose lines is is mentoring
other business people.
Like you said, we do have someserve pro franchises, we mentor.
But I'm very blessed to be amentor to a company in Dallas,
(04:21):
texas, called ClassicRecreations.
They're the car business we'vetalked about a couple of times.
Adam West Media, you'rementoring right here, Yeah
absolutely Adam West Media, youknow, but you have your own
media company, too, that youmentor, which is cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
We do get to work together on some projects.
So yeah, we've got.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We've got a couple of other.
I mean, i mentor a gentlemanwho who's in the feed and seed
business across the he's reallyacross half of the United States
.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, it just just started with him.
He's got a really really coolbusiness and it's a ministry for
him, but anyway, that's one ofthem.
So I mean it's it's really neatjust to be able to mentor other
people.
But yeah, besides being amentor, you need to have someone
mentoring you to help you grow,you know.
So.
So I got a question for youWhat, what does a mentor do for
(05:11):
you specifically, like what?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
does it do?
or mean, Like, what are youthinking when you're thinking
like I mean, in terms of what itdoes?
I guess it really go hand inhand.
I feel like a mentor helps meand really in general, it helps
me in areas that I don't feellike I'm the most proficient.
Yeah, like it helps me in areaswhere I need to grow or I need
to learn.
I mean take, for instance,business.
(05:35):
I mean it's been good to askyou.
This has been new for us thisyear.
You know, i've still got tokind of work through some things
And I got to get my business inLLC, which I walk through.
That process I know you andNick kind of helped me, so I got
to go through that.
I just haven't swallowed the$700 payment that you have to do
for it.
So you know the bad thing isI'm trying to put the horse
before the carriage because I'mlike man, i need a, want this
(05:57):
camera and I want this gear.
So you know your eyes get bigbecause you, you know you start
having some retainer moneycoming in and, or as you call,
mailbox money.
I always joke, my wife alwaysgives me a hard time that I call
it mailbox money all the time.
But you know, those are some ofthe things that I do, but I
feel like it's somebody thattrains me in areas and I'm not
proficient in.
I mean just to throw out therea little bit.
Obviously I said you mentor mebusiness wise, but I mean just
(06:19):
also in life in general.
I feel like there's things thatyou know I deal with in terms
of how I handle things, likewhat my working genius is.
You know, we kind of were ableto help each other through each
of those that we deal with.
But you know I've got mentorsin photography and videography.
You know your wife's been ahuge part of that.
She's a fantastic photographer.
She's helped me through somethings.
(06:42):
Some good friends of ours thatdo a lot of photography for
SirPro Corporate, callie andNathan, have their own business.
They live out in Tennessee andthey are phenomenal, fantastic,
fantastic.
I'm excited I was to get to seethem next week.
So you know that's kind of cool.
I get to text them a little bitwhen I have questions because
they do a good job.
And then you know mentors thatI have that.
(07:03):
I have a group of guys that Iwork out with that we call
ourselves Bros and Barbells as ajoke has kind of dwindled down
to powers and I People are busyhave stuff going on.
Jeremy, jeremy Kelly's also inthere.
It's kind of dwindled down tothe three of us But I mean to me
that's also a mentor.
I mean, i know, that could alsobe something where you build and
you grow and you work together.
(07:24):
But I mean, both of them arealso business men.
They both own their ownbusinesses.
I mean, that's their full-timegig.
So it's just been nice, Youknow.
They say you know, surroundyourself with who you want to be
, And so I feel like I've beenvery, very good with doing that,
And I'll talk a little bit moreabout surrounding yourself with
that, with mentors, But to methat's kind of what it is, and
that's what I'm at with it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's a good point because it is absolutely 100%
true.
Surround yourself with people.
Sometimes people think you knowI got to pay all this money to
have a consultant, or you know Igot to pay to have someone help
me through a process orwhatever.
You really don't.
Sometimes you just got to askquestions And you know sometimes
people will go well, is it oddthat I don't really like people
(08:09):
asking me questions?
Because you know you'vementioned before you're an
introverted, extrovert orwhatever the terminology is.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You could put me in a group, like when we've had
things.
You know, adam, i need you tospeak to X amount of people, i
need you to do this, or evenspeaking to our company as a
whole, it doesn't bother me.
But my recharge is being athome.
It's funny, we joke all thetime, but you and my wife are I
mean, y'all are identical likein terms of who you are, And
(08:38):
then your wife and myself areidentical like how we are, which
is why I felt like the four ofus get along so well.
Yeah, but that's kind of how Iam.
I just.
I mean, i just I like therecharge.
Like tonight, you know my wifehas something she's doing.
You know I'm excited.
I know, you know we're justgoing to hang out at home and
let the girls play, and I'm, youknow, i'm going to work on some
(09:00):
projects, that I want to workon some video, but I'm also
going to play some video.
Like that's my recharge.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, for sure.
So You got to have that You do.
But you know getting back yougot to if you surround yourself
with people that are oflike-minded doesn't mean they do
the same tools that you do orhave the same toolbox you have,
but you surround yourself withthem.
That can encourage each other,build each other up And someone
or a group of us are stayingahead of the curve to get us to
(09:27):
the next level.
That's really what a mentor isdesigned to be.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, and I think that's important, and not to get
off topic with mentorship Butone of the things that I've been
trying to be better this yearis reading.
I'm so ADHD Like I can't even Imean you know me Like I can't
sit still in meetings, like it'sjust I'm just ADHD.
I mean even now, like I'mshaking my leg just sitting here
talking to you, like I'm fine,i just it's being in one place,
(09:51):
you know.
So what I've been trying to dois be better at reading.
So what I've done is I'm likeyou know what I'm just going to
do Audible.
I'm going to do Audible.
Well, the first book I startedwith.
I've heard it a lot.
I'm reading, or listening toreading, 50 cents, hustle Harder
, hustle Smarter, and if youhaven't heard it or haven't read
it, or heard it or any of ourlisteners highly recommend, like
(10:12):
Ben Jummel listened to it twice, like it's so good.
I mean, you know, you know he'sa world renowned rapper.
He came from the streets, hewas a drug dealer, he's done all
these things, But he talks somuch about where he is now And
he's like I wanted to be out ofthat, i didn't want to be in.
He's a.
What I didn't realize is howmuch of a businessman he is.
Like he has built this empire,like he talks about the book.
(10:33):
He's like I'm not a good rapper.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I just, i know I'm not, i don't know, i don't feel
like I am, and he, i mean he'sdone well, but one of the
chapters has been really goodAnd I'm like man, it makes me
feel good where I'm at.
But it's all about like who'sin your crew is what he calls it
, and he talks about it Like hetalks about how people in it.
He's like look, if any of y'allhave beef or you fight, you're
done.
You're done, i will let youcause you know, he's like one of
(10:55):
the things about rappers is hesaid entourage is or you know,
everybody has them.
And you know, there's alwaysbeef And you know, and he's like
it's just, it hates a badpersona.
And he was like I don't, I'mnot about that.
He's like I'm not sparingmyself And he talks about.
He said you have to be hard onit with the people that you
surround yourself around,because that is what you're
going to pursue.
(11:15):
And I mean he talked about someexamples, about some other
music producers like that hadstayed at home and have stayed
like in there.
Like he said you know they'vestayed in Queens and they didn't
move out.
He said I moved out.
Like.
He said you know what, I'llcome home, I'm going to support
my community, but I can't bearound that all the time If I'm
going to continue being abusinessman and growing.
(11:37):
And so he just talked about howimportant that is to look And it
just kind of made me look atthose things, how important it
is to look at your career.
He said he's had people wherehe's sent people to bus take it
home.
They got in a fight.
He's like you done.
I don't have time for this, hesaid.
And he said to this day theyblame me for not having success.
He's like but I'm not going tosurround myself with people that
(11:57):
bring negativity, like ourmission is to be successful.
He talks about that.
Yes, he knows he has money, hehas those things, but he's like
money's not everything.
I want to be successful, i wantto leave a mark, i want to, i
want to change culture, and he'slike that's what I want to do.
But, it's just important.
It's funny how you talked aboutthat And it's for me it's like
that's why mentorship is soimportant, because it is who you
(12:20):
surround yourself around andwho you're feeding in other
people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, that brings me to a question, then.
So it could be possible thatsomeone could have a positive
mentor, but they could also be anegative mentor.
So be careful who you surroundyourself with and who you really
want advice from, because youdefinitely don't want to be in
the category of someone draggingyou the wrong way.
(12:44):
Right, that can work againstyou.
Matter of fact, we're going tohave an episode coming up on
positivity and negativity soonOr down the road, because I
think it's a very importantpiece, but no, that's a good
point.
Matter of fact, the definitionof a mentor is an experienced
and trusted advisor.
Okay, that's the noun.
The verb version is to adviseor train, especially a younger
(13:10):
colleague.
Now, we all know it doesn'thave to be a colleague in the
same environment business,church, whatever you're in But
someone that you're trying tobuild up because and they don't
have to be younger than youeither Younger- doesn't mean age
younger means.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think it's younger and experienced.
Correct.
To me, that's what it is.
It's not age, it's experience.
I mean, i had a conversationwith a guy from another church
the other day and I don't knowif he's older than I am or if
I'm older, but he said hey man,i'm just getting in.
He sent me a message onInstagram.
He does create it for a churchin Alvaster.
(13:48):
He said hey man, i'm looking topurchase this camera and I'm
looking to purchase this one.
He's like I know you use thisand he's like I see you post it.
Can I just pick your brain?
So I was like yeah, man.
So I gave myself and we talkedfor about 15, 20 minutes and I'm
like man, what's your goal?
What?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
are you?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
trying to do.
I can tell you to I'm blue inthe face what camera you should
buy, what you should do I mean,i'm a tech nerd, but ultimately
what's?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
your end goal.
Yeah, you're definitely a technerd.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But what's your end goal?
But I think my whole point wasI think he's, i believe he's
older, but I mean in terms ofskillset he's like, hey, i'm new
to the video world.
What do I do So?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, that's.
The point is, it doesn't matterthe age of the person.
That can be in skill set tenure, you know, whatever the case
may be, Cause someone.
If someone's trying a new trick, you know, a new trade,
whatever, they're obviouslygonna need someone that can help
them get to that level.
Matter of fact, shout out toour guy I'm gonna try to
pronounce his name Adam Rael,Raul, Raul sorry.
(14:52):
Raul, by the way, Raul is.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Raul.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I talked about him.
A podcast, two or go.
Yeah, he is a businessentrepreneur.
Hair he's not.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm not gonna call him A barber.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
He's a barber, he's a barber he is, but you know
what's interesting.
By the way, i got my first trimup from him getting ready for
this convention And I got thebeard trim up.
You're watching on YouTube.
Got the old beard trim up,fantastic.
But today he was asking mequestions about you know our
business, cause you hadobviously talked to him about me
and my brother and all.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I joke with him.
I joke with him just so youknow.
Before he came and said, lookman, i said I convinced him to
come.
I said he's our company owner.
I said look, i'm not trying tobribe nothing, but we're like.
I said you know.
I said we're a big franchiseAnd I said we've got a lot going
on today.
So he goes like I need that manto look like he's a top 10
franchise.
Like I need you to hook me, ineed you to help me out.
I need that man to look likehe's a top 10 franchise.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know what's interesting, everything that you
told him, though.
He asked me.
He said hey, so how long have Ibeen in the top five, top 10
franchises in the country?
and he knew all the rightquestions.
And I asked him.
I asked him and said hey, man,tell me, tell me how you got
started in the hair business,okay, how'd you become a barber?
He said.
Interestingly enough, years agoI was right out of high school
(16:12):
and I ended up having a childand my mom told me.
She said, if you're gonnasupport this child, you need to
go find something to do.
He said well, man, mom, i don'tknow what I can do.
She said you can come work forme.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
My beauty's so long.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I didn't realize.
He told me a little bit, butyeah.
Yeah, so he did, and he saidit's been the last 12, 18 months
, whatever it is that he startedhis own barber shop great
little place downtown Birmingham.
If you're in the Birminghamarea, i would highly encourage
you to go check him out.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He's got a great spot .
He's right next to and I feelterrible.
I hope I'm not going to miss mypodcast, but I think it's
Birmingham Brewing.
Yeah it's a cool little brewerythat's right next door, I think
Wasabi Ones.
If you're in Birmingham,obviously Wasabi Ones is like a
sushi burrito place, but it's anice little spot Right off 2nd
Avenue.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
South Right off 2nd Avenue.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
South.
It's a great, great spot, greatcrew.
I mean the place is packed allthe time.
He's got all.
He's got four chairs in there,so he's got other guys, they're
specialized.
So it's crazy to me as him, asan entrepreneur, watching what
he's done.
I mean like he's expanding.
You know, he's announced he'sdoing vestavia.
He's looking to do more thanthat, but he's created this vibe
(17:26):
and it's just cool to seesomebody his age.
Like you said, that startedfrom.
I need to support my family.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, well, he told me this too, he said.
He said well, tell me how yougot into surf.
Of course I told him our story.
You guys have heard that on theshow before.
But he said you know what'sinteresting is I was cutting a
gentleman's hair this was early,early in his process and he
said the guy was sitting in thechair.
I don't know if you know thestory.
He said the guy was sitting inthe chair and all of a sudden he
(17:54):
started giving me this businessadvice and he said he told me.
He said if you want helpgetting started, i would love
the opportunity to help youstart.
And say his name again Raul.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Raul, Raul, Raul, Raul, Raul Raul told him.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
He said well, sir, i would love it.
What do I owe you?
And the guy said you owe menothing as long as you promise
that you will pay it forward oneday.
And basically he was saying Iwill mentor you, but you have to
promise me that you're going tomentor other young men to be
able to do what you do and howyou do it.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So it was a really good story And he's doing that
because he's building the ranks,because he wants to expand, so
he's trying to find guys thatare kind of in that same field,
that are wanting to grow.
So we talked about that alittle bit today.
I'm like so are you teaching?
do you have a fade parlor way?
You know we joke about all thetime that you guys have the
Wilson way.
So I was like, do you have likethe fade parlor way?
(18:51):
Like I mean, obviously I feellike being a barber is like
being a content creator.
You have your own style.
Everybody does somethingdifferent.
They cut different way.
Like I just enjoy the way Raulcuts my hair.
Like I've not found somebody ina long time then.
So that's why I go to him Andso he's got, but his clients
have the same thing.
Like it was funny you werementioning one.
Like you were joking about youknow one day just shaving, you
(19:13):
know going ahead and shaving itall off man Where that started
from is.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I looked down the.
I looked down a couple of seatsover from me and the other
gentleman working in there wascutting hair and he's bald and
just has to be Clean, thoughlooks good.
I mean clean.
And I told Raul, i said I'mgoing to end up like him in the
next couple of cuts And helaughed.
He looked at me and he said butwhat you don't know is he's
only 24 years old.
You're 44 years old.
(19:38):
You've lasted longer than him.
So he was trying to make mefeel good.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Thank you It was good , though, as we sat and joked
about that, i was cause Sarahhas, like, what are they
laughing at?
So I was telling her, you knowshe, i was telling her about
Raul and I was like man, ireally I enjoy talking to him,
like I have I love coming inhere, Like I just I said, but he
reminds me a lot of you.
Like it's like he, you and yourbrother are so good at taking
care of our company.
(20:02):
You take care of people, likeyou've always said, hey, we take
care of people to take care ofus.
And I was like, yeah, he, justlike, a few weeks ago they just
got back, he took all of histeam to the beach.
You know, he let him bring,like us, you know, bring a
spouse or you know just asignificant other.
So I was like he, he's tryingto do it right.
So, you can tell he is doingwhat he was like, what he said
to do.
I mean, he is paying forward,He's trying to train and he's
(20:24):
trying to build up those Andhe's building a business or
something.
That what I think it is too.
It's sustainable, Like every,it's a business that everybody
needs.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, it's something you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know I joked with him that I was like look, you
know, cause I told him what wasfunny is.
I said well, he's been going tolike great clips to get his
hair.
It's like, so I'm excited forhim to come in.
And I was like, you know, wealways joke about it And I
always tell him that.
you know, barbershop for me isone of the things I love.
And I said but he's been goingto great clips, he's like he's
getting those six, 99 haircut.
And he was like how did?
they do it.
I was like, look, i'm gonna behonest with you, man.
(20:54):
I said I think there's a timeand place for everything.
I was like I mean, youobviously you're not gonna bring
your you know probablytypically won't bring your kids
to like a barbershop like this,right, you know you just need a
quick care.
I was like so I think it hasits place.
But I was like you know, i'mexcited for him to get the a
barber experience.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's the key.
That is the key right there,cause that's what.
Exactly what they provided wasthe experience.
Yeah, it wasn't just a haircut,or a beard trim up.
It was an experience.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, it's a community.
That's what I like about it.
Like we were, you know, um, hewas kind of congested And I was
like man.
I was like I said man that's,i've been congested like six or
seven times already this yearAnd we were just joking about
longterm effects of everythingthat's gone on the past couple
of years and how many peoplelike my wife's, had trouble with
it.
And he had, but it was just weas a everyone in the in the like
(21:42):
in the business.
we're just talking.
So it's a community thatthey've created and they've
created a culture and experience.
So that's one of the reasons,too, why I like it, because I
know when I go in, I'm going totalk to him for a moment.
you know we're going to catchup.
and then he's cool about likehe shares, shares our stuff, he
writes me.
you know he messes with me onInstagram, so it's you know he
never feels like he's too bigfor the people that he's that
(22:04):
are his customers.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know so So.
So from a flip the script, okay.
So from a mentor standpoint,not a mint, a mentee is someone
that's looking for a mentor foradvice.
Trust you know whatever.
So from a mentor perspective,what do you think that a mentor
gets out of a mentee?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I feel like it's fulfillment, knowing that you're
doing something that somebodyelse is interested in.
Yeah, so like, for instance, inthe in the 50 cent book that
I'm listening to he talks aboutI mean a lot of his business
oriented, but he talks about,like don't ever down your own,
don't ever be down on your ownproduct, like he's really big
about, except, like havingsetbacks right, like you're
(22:49):
gonna have setbacks, like don'tlet one thing change all of it.
He said that you know he talksabout everything that happened
to him him getting shot, likehim getting turned down, like he
said every one of those shouldhave crushed me, like every one
of those should have kept mefrom moving forward, you know.
And so he talks about a lot ofthose things that he walked
through.
But he made a statement and Iloved it.
(23:10):
He said if one person asks foryour advice, it's cause they
believe in your product.
That's good, that's good And Iwas like man that's strong.
If one person asks for youradvice, they believe in your
product, they believe in yourvision, they believe in what you
can do.
And I'm like man that gosh.
I was like if anything feltlike it's speaking to me.
That's where I'm at, cause youknow I've got some things next
(23:32):
week.
You know we have a convention.
I've had a few people reach outand say, hey, i need pictures or
video, like can you do it?
And in my head I'm like God,there's so many better people.
And you know we've always I'vealways talked about how that's a
struggle, but you know it'sbeen good cause it's led me to
where I'm like all right, i needto have a sense of like I know
(23:53):
my stuff, like I know my stuff Ihave I have skill and I have a
skill that I believe peopleshould pay for, like I've worked
for it.
So it's just he talks throughthat like have that confidence
in it.
And I think being someone whomentors other can help filter
that And be like look, you haveworked hard enough that somebody
(24:14):
else sees that hard work andsays teach me.
But that's dead on too, because,if you think about it, they
wouldn't be coming to the mentorin the first place for advice
if they didn't want an answer tosomething, if you're not doing
what you're supposed to Andyou're obviously like you know,
you know I think you'vementioned this before Like, if
(24:35):
it's somebody that has thepotential to be a million dollar
business but they're only doinglike 10,000 a year, 50,000 a
year, why would you ask them foradvice?
If you, you are who you want to, you are who you are around.
So if you want to be a milliondollar business, why are you
hanging out with 10 and 15 and20,000 dollar business?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
people Exactly right.
Think about this.
The, our father, did ananalysis with us 10 years ago
probably when he was stillliving.
He told us this the average.
He had a chart.
The average business in Americadoes between 750, 750,000 a
year and a million a year.
That's the average business.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Once people get past that million dollar mark.
If they get past the milliondollar mark, think about this
they have to have more employees, which means they could have
insurance hire.
whatever the case may be, theyare probably comfortable, you
know, with a great salary.
They're not working for someoneelse, they have their own
business and they may not wantto get over that hurdle.
(25:34):
You're in.
you're in the, i want to say hesaid top 65% of businesses in
America that do a milliondollars.
When you cross the milliondollar mark to get to five
million dollars, you're in thetop, like 15% of businesses
across America.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I swear I heard that in the book too, Like not that
exact but similar to what you'resaying.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, Did you get over $5 million?
up to 10 and above.
You're in like the top two to3% of businesses in America.
So to your point, if someonelistening now is an entrepreneur
and you're at the two million,we're at the one million mark
trying to get to two to five,you need to have a mentor who's
doing 10.
If that's where you want to goyou know it's in the church
(26:18):
world.
The average church in Americaruns a hundred people A hundred,
okay.
So if you're, if you believethat the Lord has called you for
your church to, you know,shepherd 500 people, a thousand
people in the cases of somelarge churches across America,
30, 40, 50,000 people If you'rerunning a hundred people and you
(26:39):
believe that the Lord is, iswants you to have your church to
have 500 people, you shouldprobably be trying to get with.
You know, follow someone.
That's a thousand people.
How are they doing it?
They got better processes insuch a place.
So the key here is whoever'smentoring you make sure they've
been there, done that and theyhave a track that you could
(27:01):
follow.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, and as they're doing that too, make sure
yourself that you okay.
For instance, you know you'rehanging out with somebody,
you're being mentored bysomebody that's you know, a
million dollar company, fivemillion dollars, whatever.
Yeah, i also think it'simportant, though, as you're
being mentored, make sure youlook at those things and set
yourself like small goals forthat.
Like, for instance, if yourgoal I'm going to use just
(27:25):
content creation, if my goal isto get to where I have 10,000
followers and I ain't nowherenear that, Okay, so let's make
sure, like I'm, at 15.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Follow Adam West media.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, adam West, just do Adam West first and then
we'll worry about the otherstuff.
But my goal shouldn't be allright.
By the end of this year I want10,000.
That's a big goal.
The problem with two is thatgoal's so large and this may
need to be another podcast butthat goal's so large that if I
don't achieve it's going to betough to achieve that,
especially because I'm not adaily poster Like I'm, and I
(27:57):
know I haven't really createdanything that gives people a ton
of value other than somethingpretty to look at.
So I've got to find.
Then these problems are justagain, timing, talking about
burnout, it's just timing to beable to do some of that.
So you need to set smallergoals.
All right, if my goal is to getto 10,000 people, let's just
worry to say all right, by themiddle of the year I want to add
(28:17):
300 people to my followers listLike legitimate, okay, so you
can look like you get a lot ofbots, fake accounts, but you're
like, hey, i want to sustainwhere if I'm at 1500, i want to
be at 1700, i want to be at 1800.
So set small goals.
So when you reach it, you sayall right, well now, and say it
(28:38):
like hey, i'll do that by end ofJuly, end of August, i'm going
to try and push enough contentthat I can gain that.
Well, you want to try toachieve that.
So then you can say, all right,well, i want to say, well,
let's try that.
Like I achieved 300, let's sayfive or six or whatever, or a
thousand.
So I think that's true too.
Is that, even when you are beingmentored, look for those small
(29:00):
wins.
Like look for things to move to, that Don't overdo yourself.
So that way you have thosefalse words And that's something
.
If somebody asked me, that'swhat I would tell them too.
Like, look, set small goals, sothat way you can have small
victories.
And then set because a victoryis a victory to me Like it
doesn't matter if it's big, itdoesn't matter if it's large.
But you know, i'm like you,like I want my big victories.
(29:20):
Like I want to sell 10, 15, 20,20, $20,000 project.
Now, projects like that,obviously you're going to
require time, you're going torequire support, like I'm not
walking in myself and doing a 10, 15, $20,000 video project.
I've got to have a team.
I've got to help but I've got toget to that point.
(29:41):
So I need to be able to sellsome of these smaller five, six
$700 jobs so I can get to that10, 15, $20,000 job.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it's good to have a mentor.
And again, there's alldifferent types of mentor
spiritual, physical, being acoach.
You know, a coach can be amentor.
It doesn't have to be callednecessarily a mentor.
It could be called a coach, alife coach, it could be a pastor
, it could be a friend, it canbe a coworker.
It's always good to have somekind of mentor in your life,
(30:13):
depending on where you and yourfamily want to go.
And I'm telling you, havingthat mentor walk alongside you
can definitely pay dividends offin the long run.
And to that point, againflipping the script, you can
also become a mentor by wantingto pay it forward to other
people, so that you can teachothers what you've learned and
(30:33):
you've done.
So it's a two-way streak.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That kind of leads me into, you know, just a thought
process as to I meanunderstanding that being a
mentor, there's things that comewith it, right, like you have
got to understand it.
It's a responsibility to takeon.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's a big responsibility.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know I always hate when you hear people be
like, oh, you should give, you,know and granted, i'm not in
their position.
So I you know I'm just speakingfrom my opinion but like, oh,
you should give athletes, youknow, we got to give them, we
got to give them slack here andslack there.
I'm like, look, they chose tobe the limelight.
You know, like I granted, again, i'm not in that, so I'm not
(31:12):
trying to be judgmental of it,but I'm thinking like, look,
that's something they said thatthey wanted to do.
They have a skill set, theywanted it large.
So I think sometimes being in apublic facing Image means you
got it.
There's some things that youdon't get to do.
I hate.
I hate bringing it up.
I'm literally in the midst ofreading the books.
I feel like I keep bringing itup.
(31:34):
But one of the things he talksabout is that he has an image to
portray and That he hasresponsibilities, not just for
him but for the people that hesupports his family, that his
publicist, his, his Book editoror book publicist or, you know,
his booking agent.
So he has all the people theycare of and he's like, i've got
(31:56):
to remember that.
So he's like.
But also, you know, i have tokeep that image.
He's like yeah, I'll, i'll go,you know, with my image.
He's like I'll go to the club.
You know, i go to the club,he's like, but most people think
they think I'm drinking.
I'm not like, i don't drink atall.
Right, he said, like you know,big thing for him, especially in
the rap, like Hennessy's a bigdrink for rappers he talked
about and he was like in the inthe rapping game Everybody drank
(32:16):
Tennessee.
He said if I go to the clubwith some folks, he said what I
do is I pour all out, i pour outall the Hennessy to them and
then my bodyguard fills it upwith ginger ale.
And he said I hold the bottleall night long because he said
it's an attended bottle.
Yeah, so he sips on it likehe's big and cool.
He's like I put up an imageYeah, i'm just drinking ginger
ale, so but which is probablyfar from what we.
(32:39):
that's probably terribleexample.
But the whole point I'm talkingabout is just Being in that he
realized his responsibility haswell and he said I never want to
be in the state of impairment.
I Never.
I can.
He said in my role I can't like, from where I come from, i
can't be in this.
I need to be aware of mysurroundings.
Yeah, he said I need to be.
And he said and he talks about,i know that's Coming from
(33:01):
somebody like me that comes fromQueens, he said.
But he said You in your ownbusiness, that needs to be that
you should always be aware.
He said it stays one step aheadbecause he said you know what.
You know what happens.
He said when you go out tobusiness with your folks, if
you're part of a business Whichis one of the reasons why I'm
glad we don't really partake inthat But one of you know one of
the things we don't as a team wedon't drink like you won't find
us any function and anything.
(33:23):
We don't entertain it.
It's not what we do.
But he says if your companydoes things like that, he said
don't be the person that does.
he said cuz you know what.
He said you want to get aheadin the game and he's like I
don't feel like this is wrong.
He said if they're gonna chooseto impair themselves and give
away what they're working onright, give me the edge.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You know what's funny about that?
I had someone asked me a whileback.
You know I don't.
I don't drink alcohol.
I choose not to right I don't.
And there are people that dohave nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, someone, someone asked me.
They said why do you not drink?
I said why do I have to?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
then they go.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What do you mean?
I said What.
Why do I have to what?
what is the what's the point?
if I don't want to and you wantto, i mean it's okay.
Yeah and it's like I said, ican have fun without doing that,
you know.
So it's interesting that, tohis point, you know he has a.
He does have an image to uphold.
He has a responsibility tohimself and to his family or who
(34:17):
met the publishers and whoeverelse.
So good for him.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, it's just kind of funny, you and he said you
usually wouldn't think that ofme.
Like you see me and youinstantly like, oh man, i bet
she's in the club drinking thisevery night and party it up.
He said he doesn't smoke, hedoesn't drink, yeah, and do he
that?
he said no, i've drank everyonce in a while.
Yeah, but he said I'll baby it.
So I mean, obviously, like forme, i'm somebody that that
typically will have a drinkevery once.
(34:41):
Well, but the last thing I don'tever want myself impaired
either.
Right, and so I think too, youhave to remember It's where
you're at, like you have youhave to be careful in that.
So I mean, i think about whatwe do with the church, what we
do at Serpa Oh yeah, do on thepodcast.
You know what we do Not justthat.
I mean, one of our big thingsis is it's not just me I'm
(35:03):
working for, like we weary'all's name.
We wear your personal name,like people know we're part of
team Wilson, so we wear thatname and we have to be careful
with that.
Sometimes, you know And it'sfunny because that's something
your brother's moving me into iswe're kind of changing my role,
like it just changed this week,where now I'm director of
digital marketing and brandingbecause, branding is a big thing
for me, like I love, love,branding I feel like I bleed
(35:25):
branding like it's important toprotect your.
Someone has to.
You have to because it's yourforward-facing image and I think
too, i think some of thatthings too.
So I think that's important foryou.
If you are somebody that'smentoring someone, you have to
protect your forward-facing andnot just you, but the people
you're mentoring right?
You know, we're in an age nowwhere social media like
something goes wrong, likeYou're getting you're.
(35:48):
You're getting hit left andright.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, look at, look at the job of rent.
I mean, you know, thebasketball, nba basketball
player, great basketball player.
Maybe he was in the wrong placeat the wrong time, maybe, yeah,
i mean he shows a gun socialmedia once twice.
I mean, they did somethingabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, well, what's crazy if you think about it.
I mean, outside of the firstcase, which I believe was in a
club, the second one that he'sgetting you know, the second one
that he's getting in troubleover, he was in his own vehicle.
We went around the public right.
So people are like, wait, hedidn't even break a law.
Like, and I mean, if you thinkabout it, you're not wrong, but
is that the image that you wantto portray?
(36:26):
and you have to?
I think sometimes You have toremember that, wow, yes, you
have the right to talk that way.
You have the right to say whichone?
I?
I Joke, i tell people this allthe time that they don't need to
take it as a joke.
It's like what you're posting,mm-hmm.
I shared something that I sawsome some of our other
counterparts Posts and I'm likethat just looks so bad for their
(36:48):
team.
Like why would you postsomething that's language filled
or that doesn't?
because it Deloots the brand?
Yeah, and it does, because youobviously states who you work
for.
Like I saw them post on theirsocial media Like you, that's
the other thing.
Like, if you want to be that way, don't post, don't have all
these things tied to youraccount that says, oh, i work
here, right, right, and I did it.
(37:09):
I mean, i don't think youshould be doing it anyways, but
I think you have to be carefulas a mentor because it it can
hurt that how it looks, and I Ithink people have to realize
that.
So like when he did that and hedid his, he had the second He
did already got in trouble, saidhe was gonna change you, i'm
gonna do it.
And then what was even worse isI think they came out like 30
days later They're like oh, itwas a toy.
(37:29):
Like oh, so it took you a monthto realize it was a toy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, but the thing with him, you know, and again,
people these kids especiallynowadays are looking up, looking
like everything.
I'll give you a great exampleLeBron James.
He's been in the league.
Now I want to say he's almost,if he's not, 40.
He's getting close.
Yeah, he's been in the league,you know, over almost 20 years.
A little over 20 years.
(37:54):
The guys won what?
four or five NBA championships.
He has the all-time scoringrecord in the NBA And I don't
know that you have ever heard,never one thing about him that
never been, he's been married tohis wife.
I want to say they met in highschool.
Maybe no could be wrong withthat.
Kids, great, great kids.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
He's given everything back.
He's got a.
He's got a.
He's.
You know, he built a schoolthat's for underprivileged kids
Yeah, an acronym to help themhave, because it's not the best
school system in Akron.
And so I mean, yeah, i meanwhether you will agree with his
politics or not, which I thinksometimes should really not be
here nor there, you know.
I mean that's just how we view,view things.
(38:38):
I think, from a mentor, from amentor perspective, i mean, he's
doing it doing it right, doingit right, and you need to look
at that, and I think I thinkit's important because I think
you have to look at those thingslike alright, put aside how you
feel someone might politicallylook at things.
Yeah if Neither him or therehe's done life right, yeah, and
he's built an empire for himselfAnd I mean it's he's smart with
(39:01):
how he's done things and it'she's been.
I mean look at a lot of these.
And then you have these other.
You have these other athletesthat, like they throw it away,
mm-hmm.
I mean they don't getthemselves in trouble, they
don't have themselves and theybuilt Grammy.
Look at Steph Curry.
I mean Steph Curry has neverbeen in trouble, never done
anything.
And Don't me wrong, i can'tstand the man because I can play
(39:24):
some basketball.
That's why I hate it so much.
Could you?
the dude puts a ridiculous, imean even Even, like you know,
the Joker.
I mean he, he didn't even careabout.
He's like Can I just go?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
home like we're going , we're done.
Can.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I go home.
It's just funny seeing how Theathletes that do it right
sometimes are never the onesthat That get the credit, but
those are the people you shouldbe looking to as mentors.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You talked about this too.
Sorry, i didn't mean to cut you.
No, you're good, you talkedabout this.
You said you know social mediatoday.
Okay, these two guys we justtalked about, lebron James and
Steph Curry They, the media, isalways looking for something
wrong.
That's.
That's what the media is right.
I heard someone say this a longtime ago.
Television tell a vision.
(40:10):
They are simply reporting stuff.
That may be true.
May not be true.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Who believes leads is what I remember hearing in
college one time in an economicsclass.
What bleeds leads.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, i mean, look at Kobe Bryant same thing, the guy
was fantastic.
So to look at one of thosethree guys we just talked about
to be a mentor from a businessfrom a business perspective.
Mm-hmm, they've done thingsright.
You can't argue with that.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, and remember too We're living a day and age
that If you're somebody that'slooking for a mentor, I think
it's appropriate to look atthings like social media.
I mean There's, there's, there's, there's individuals that I
follow On my accounts becausethey put out things that bring
me value.
They put out They, they put outreels and videos that teach me,
(40:53):
have taught me, how to use mycamera and Give me ideas, like
they give me ways to learn, andyou know, and what's great is
some of them connect, even havetens of thousands of followers.
They still connect with you,mm-hmm.
But I think that's something,too, to think about that.
If there's not somebodydirectly in your life, you could
.
I don't think it's inappropriateto look on somewhere like
(41:14):
social me, like I mean,obviously, look at who you it is
And what you're doing.
But I think a mentor could besomebody that you know on a
personal level or somebody andSometimes social media feels
like that because you see thempost every day, yeah, see what
they're doing.
You almost feels like you seethe inside of their life.
But I think that's importanttoo, whether that's a spiritual
leader that posts a lot, whetherit's somebody like a you know A
(41:37):
Dave Ramsey, or you knowanybody that handles finance, or
whether that's an athlete.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
By the way, he is a great mentor when it comes to
finances.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Dave Ramsey, the guy, the guy and so I know you'll
preach him to the, to your bluein the face.
But I think too that somethingas you, as you, if you're
listening to podcast like well,i don't, you know, especially if
you think I don't hand, by mylife I don't have somebody right
now that can mentor me.
Yep, i mean social mediaconnects you to that, you know,
and I think, as long as you'reusing it in a healthy standard,
(42:06):
you know, you're not like cyberstalking folks and you know,
sliding into their DMs in themiddle of the night, i think
that's something that you canlook at too.
That brings value.
I mean, there's there's a lotof things that I do now because
of that and and I feel like thatI've learned With my camera,
because of the stuff they've.
I mean, there's things that I'mlike man, i didn't even know
(42:27):
that there's a guy, there's aguy I can't remember his name.
He's I think his tag is this 40year old guy, but it's
hilarious.
He's like in my 40 years.
He's like, he's like there's noway you can do that.
And he makes these noises.
It's how he starts every videoand it's things like how to like
how to wrap up an extensioncable, oh yeah, or how to clean
(42:49):
things in the house, or Even ifsomething is stupid, is how to
pour beer without foam.
He's like oh, there's no way.
You can't do that.
I've I've been alive for 40years.
There ain't no way.
I didn't know that It's so.
I mean, it's just, it's just.
I mean I think you can find thatinspiration in places.
But I know, as we get ready towrap up, i think the biggest
thing You know to touch on, ifyou're again, if you're somebody
(43:11):
that's mentoring someone, it'smake sure you're careful with
what you're doing.
Yeah, i think that's a bigresponsibility to have and I
think that's something that youGotta watch what you're doing
and if you're somebody that'slooking for a mentor, find that.
Find this might as doing.
Find it to be someone.
That's where you want to be at,not where not you know, not
where you hope they're gonna be.
(43:32):
Find someone who is where youwant to get to and a good
connection point there.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
If you do attended local church, find that.
Talk to your pastor.
They know people in your inthere, in your church.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
They could be business, small groups You
didn't know about, or So yeah,Awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well, i want to tell you guys I can't thank you
enough, adam and I both, for theInspiration that you've sent us
.
We we get messages all the timeabout wanting to know about
this or that.
Just thanking us for this, had aguy reach out to us from the
state of Washington hererecently.
He listens to this, by the way.
Thank you for listening, butjust saying what inspiration we
(44:09):
were to him and you.
Anything we can do to help you,you can always email us, benji,
at higherup podcast, calm, youcan.
You can subscribe again on anyplatform YouTube as well.
We just want to say thank youfor connecting with us.
Spread, spread this, you know.
Spread our social media posts,because the more people we can
inspire, that's what this is allabout.
(44:30):
Yeah, and we want to do that.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, i think we.
I think I'm gonna startsomething real quick before we
go.
I think you mentioned thereview.
I think we know you know thatyou can only like leave reviews
on Apple.
Right now, spotify is just astar rating, so we appreciate
you guys doing that.
They help us a lot.
But I think it'd be importantas long as they're coming in.
Yeah, we go out.
It'd be great to read some ofthese, so I'll share that one
with you.
It's from from Keith, so shoutout to Keith.
(44:54):
Yeah, thanks listening this one.
But here's what he said it wasawesome.
It's five star review, he said,bro.
He said it was brilliant.
He said as a blue star native,the last thing I'd ever expect
to love listening to his twodudes was Southern accent
talking about Intersectingtopics of faith and business
Yeah, humbling, i'm happy toadmit.
I'm pleasantly surprised by howgenuine and thought-provoking
(45:15):
both Adam and Benji are in theirapproach to both.
It's evident that they aim toaid towards age Others towards
success with their experienceand happy to share their insight
.
It's quickly turned into one ofmy favorite podcasts and now in
my current rotation, alongsidehow I built this and creators
science.
Well done, gentlemen.
I look forward to Keith man, weappreciate you never met Keith
(45:38):
in person.
Actually is funny.
I met him through a creativeconcert, creative conference
that Nick Goodner put on, soNick, good kind of a great
mentor, great, hopefully one daywe can be big enough to have
that man on this podcast.
You guys help us get there.
He's awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Spread the word, send him an email.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Send him an email, send him message.
But yeah, he So we appreciateit.
Please do that.
Hey, look, if you do, leave usa review, we'd love to read it
when we've got about 10 or 15more, though.
So we'll try to take one eachepisode and I think it'd be
something fun to do as we wrapup, just so you guys can can
hear that.
Gaze, guys and gals I keepsaying guys, i know we got both,
so we appreciate you andappreciate y'all listening, but
(46:16):
we'll have another one for youguys in about two weeks.
We got a little bit going on.
Benji and I both will be out oftown this at the time of
recording this, the next weekFor a big sort of pro convention
, and then, man, we'll be backin town The week of July 4th,
and so we'll have some downtimethat we'll be able to record
another one.
But we got some good ones.
I think we got some goodepisodes.
I know you mentioned you know,benji some episode I'd love to
(46:39):
talk about hustling.
I think this book has got me ona hustle.
I love right now mentality.
I think that'd be a great pot,a great topic.
Or, you know, goals or justpositivity, negative.
So we got some good ones comingup and then Hopefully in the
next coming episodes, we'regonna start trying to pull some
guests in.
Yeah, for you guys, that mightfit that.
Maybe it's the digitalmarketing landscape.
(47:00):
I know for me, until Benji,that's a big one.
I want to talk about digitalmark, especially in the church
world.
I feel like business isimportant, but if you're
listening to us and you're partof a church, i think it's
important.
I'd love to get some of that.
Or you know, benji, i know yougot some hopes for some worship
guests.
That's a.
That's a big thing for you.
So I feel like we got some goodstuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, they're cool.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
So be good.
But hey, we love you guys.
We appreciate you listening.
Y'all enjoy your week and golive a higher up life.
Hey, benji and I want to take amoment and just thank you for
listening to the higher uppodcast.
We really hope you enjoyedtoday's episode and just learned
some valuable insights to helpimprove your own life.
Hey, if you found today'sepisode helpful, we would be
(47:39):
grateful if you could take amoment and rate us five stars on
Spotify Or if you're listeningon Apple podcast.
We just want to know what youthink about the show.
Either way, when you leave us areview, you're helping us grow
our network and reach morepeople with our message.
Remember, our mission is toempower you in every aspect of
your life and we're thankful foryour support.
We've got new episodes of thehigher up podcast dropping every
(48:00):
other Thursday, so take asecond and turn your
notifications to stay in theloop.
Make sure that you follow us onyour favorite social media
platforms to stay connected withour community.
We just want to thank you againfor listening and we look
forward to having you join usagain on the higher up podcast.
Well, hey, hey.
Welcome into the higher uppodcast.
I'm Adam West, a video creator,and I'm joined by an
accomplished entrepreneur, benjiWilson.
Look, our mission is simple, isto empower you in every aspect
of your life, from business,personal growth.
We're just here to inspire youto make a positive impact on the
world through sharing our ownlife experiences and having a
(00:27):
chance to have conversationswith other successful
individuals.
But either way, together we'llexplore living a higher up life.
Let's jump into today's episode.
All right, benji.
Well, welcome in.
We are here for episode seven.
Feels like a long time sincewe've had a chance to sit down
(00:48):
and talk.
It's been a busy two weeks forboth of us, very especially you.
You've been out of the country.
You got a lot of stuff going on.
Summer is busy.
You guys, we've got our annualconvention for our mitigation
company coming up.
You know what I'm just going tosay?
I feel weird always sayingmitigation company.
I feel like people who know usknow who it is.
(01:09):
I don't want to be like thisannual secret reveal.
I mean, i feel like everybodyknows, especially those that
know us.
But obviously it's the SerPRO,which is what you guys are part
of, your franchise owner in theSerPRO system.
So we have our annual SerPROconvention coming up next week
in Tampa.
Man, i wish we had some timenext week, but I know you are
(01:32):
super busy at convention Man,it'd be awesome to sit down.
It would be awesome to sit downand just take our equipment and
just film a podcast there if wehad time next week, But I know
there's no way.
Like our days are especiallyyours, My days are stacked.
I've already gone through andset up my workshops and all
these things.
It'll be great.
It's a lot of this feeds intojust our higher up lifestyle.
(01:53):
I mean the workshops we get todo.
Me working in digital marketinggot a lot of stuff coming up,
Just a bunch of different thingsfor some SEO classes and social
media and just some internalstuff that we got going on.
So it just feels busy is whatI'm saying Just feels good.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah Well, the good thing is.
I mean, today's episode isabout mentorship, and as we go
into our national convention weget to we mentor a lot of other
surf pro owners And I have somesurf pro mentors in.
You know other owners thatmentor me too.
So it's kind of a two waystreet, but we're going to get.
We got some good topics to talkabout and hopefully someone can
(02:31):
get something out of it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We'll talk about a little bit.
It's exciting because you guys,you know what people don't
really know And you know let'sjust give a little back story
real quick I mean mentorship'simportant.
I think mentorship is probablya heart of yours.
I think it really is.
You know it's a big.
You know, if it was, if if whatyou love doing was a love
language, i feel like mentorshipwould be that for you.
(02:52):
I think you, you know youmentor a group of us at the, you
know, at the church that arepart of the team you mentor.
You know you mentor, like yousaid, other sort of pro owners
you mentor.
I feel like you mentor me, yourone of mine, in terms of just
business and how to handlethings.
I mean obviously being new inthe entrepreneurial world.
I feel like I've called youseveral times like how do I set
(03:13):
up my quick books?
Like just little things likethat you know, like how do I pay
my taxes, you know, so all thiskind of stuff.
But I think that's somethingcool.
Just to give a littlebackground why it is important
and why it's something you knowI hope people can grab some from
the, from this episode is thatyou I mean you've got years of
experience.
You guys used to have atrainership that train you know
what 50, 55 other serve pros andand you're still doing that now
(03:36):
.
You're still training othersort of pros through some peer
groups that you have And it'sjust everyday thing.
You know just running yourbusiness, how to market.
You know how to handleproduction, how to handle issues
, you know how to.
I mean just there's so manydifferent levels that you guys
deal with as entrepreneurs inthis industry.
So it's just been you know.
It's something I know you enjoydoing, so it's cool that you
(03:57):
get a get a moment to sit andtalk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, we have.
I mean, it is, it is, it isprobably one of my, besides our
family and our faith it's, it'sa leading worship.
Obviously it's a big passion ofmine.
But you know, another one alongthose lines is is mentoring
other business people.
Like you said, we do have someserve pro franchises, we mentor.
But I'm very blessed to be amentor to a company in Dallas,
(04:21):
texas, called ClassicRecreations.
They're the car business we'vetalked about a couple of times.
Adam West Media, you'rementoring right here, Yeah
absolutely Adam West Media, youknow, but you have your own
media company, too, that youmentor, which is cool.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
We do get to work together on some projects.
So yeah, we've got.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We've got a couple of other.
I mean, i mentor a gentlemanwho who's in the feed and seed
business across the he's reallyacross half of the United States
.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, it just just started with him.
He's got a really really coolbusiness and it's a ministry for
him, but anyway, that's one ofthem.
So I mean it's it's really neatjust to be able to mentor other
people.
But yeah, besides being amentor, you need to have someone
mentoring you to help you grow,you know.
So.
So I got a question for youWhat, what does a mentor do for
(05:11):
you specifically, like what?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
does it do?
or mean, Like, what are youthinking when you're thinking
like I mean, in terms of what itdoes?
I guess it really go hand inhand.
I feel like a mentor helps meand really in general, it helps
me in areas that I don't feellike I'm the most proficient.
Yeah, like it helps me in areaswhere I need to grow or I need
to learn.
I mean take, for instance,business.
(05:35):
I mean it's been good to askyou.
This has been new for us thisyear.
You know, i've still got tokind of work through some things
And I got to get my business inLLC, which I walk through.
That process I know you andNick kind of helped me, so I got
to go through that.
I just haven't swallowed the$700 payment that you have to do
for it.
So you know the bad thing isI'm trying to put the horse
before the carriage because I'mlike man, i need a, want this
(05:57):
camera and I want this gear.
So you know your eyes get bigbecause you, you know you start
having some retainer moneycoming in and, or as you call,
mailbox money.
I always joke, my wife alwaysgives me a hard time that I call
it mailbox money all the time.
But you know, those are some ofthe things that I do, but I
feel like it's somebody thattrains me in areas and I'm not
proficient in.
I mean just to throw out therea little bit.
Obviously I said you mentor mebusiness wise, but I mean just
(06:19):
also in life in general.
I feel like there's things thatyou know I deal with in terms
of how I handle things, likewhat my working genius is.
You know, we kind of were ableto help each other through each
of those that we deal with.
But you know I've got mentorsin photography and videography.
You know your wife's been ahuge part of that.
She's a fantastic photographer.
She's helped me through somethings.
(06:42):
Some good friends of ours thatdo a lot of photography for
SirPro Corporate, callie andNathan, have their own business.
They live out in Tennessee andthey are phenomenal, fantastic,
fantastic.
I'm excited I was to get to seethem next week.
So you know that's kind of cool.
I get to text them a little bitwhen I have questions because
they do a good job.
And then you know mentors thatI have that.
(07:03):
I have a group of guys that Iwork out with that we call
ourselves Bros and Barbells as ajoke has kind of dwindled down
to powers and I People are busyhave stuff going on.
Jeremy, jeremy Kelly's also inthere.
It's kind of dwindled down tothe three of us But I mean to me
that's also a mentor.
I mean, i know, that could alsobe something where you build and
you grow and you work together.
(07:24):
But I mean, both of them arealso business men.
They both own their ownbusinesses.
I mean, that's their full-timegig.
So it's just been nice, Youknow.
They say you know, surroundyourself with who you want to be
, And so I feel like I've beenvery, very good with doing that,
And I'll talk a little bit moreabout surrounding yourself with
that, with mentors, But to methat's kind of what it is, and
that's what I'm at with it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's a good point because it is absolutely 100%
true.
Surround yourself with people.
Sometimes people think you knowI got to pay all this money to
have a consultant, or you know Igot to pay to have someone help
me through a process orwhatever.
You really don't.
Sometimes you just got to askquestions And you know sometimes
people will go well, is it oddthat I don't really like people
(08:09):
asking me questions?
Because you know you'vementioned before you're an
introverted, extrovert orwhatever the terminology is.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You could put me in a group, like when we've had
things.
You know, adam, i need you tospeak to X amount of people, i
need you to do this, or evenspeaking to our company as a
whole, it doesn't bother me.
But my recharge is being athome.
It's funny, we joke all thetime, but you and my wife are I
mean, y'all are identical likein terms of who you are, And
(08:38):
then your wife and myself areidentical like how we are, which
is why I felt like the four ofus get along so well.
Yeah, but that's kind of how Iam.
I just.
I mean, i just I like therecharge.
Like tonight, you know my wifehas something she's doing.
You know I'm excited.
I know, you know we're justgoing to hang out at home and
let the girls play, and I'm, youknow, i'm going to work on some
(09:00):
projects, that I want to workon some video, but I'm also
going to play some video.
Like that's my recharge.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, for sure.
So You got to have that You do.
But you know getting back yougot to if you surround yourself
with people that are oflike-minded doesn't mean they do
the same tools that you do orhave the same toolbox you have,
but you surround yourself withthem.
That can encourage each other,build each other up And someone
or a group of us are stayingahead of the curve to get us to
(09:27):
the next level.
That's really what a mentor isdesigned to be.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, and I think that's important, and not to get
off topic with mentorship Butone of the things that I've been
trying to be better this yearis reading.
I'm so ADHD Like I can't even Imean you know me Like I can't
sit still in meetings, like it'sjust I'm just ADHD.
I mean even now, like I'mshaking my leg just sitting here
talking to you, like I'm fine,i just it's being in one place,
(09:51):
you know.
So what I've been trying to dois be better at reading.
So what I've done is I'm likeyou know what I'm just going to
do Audible.
I'm going to do Audible.
Well, the first book I startedwith.
I've heard it a lot.
I'm reading, or listening toreading, 50 cents, hustle Harder
, hustle Smarter, and if youhaven't heard it or haven't read
it, or heard it or any of ourlisteners highly recommend, like
(10:12):
Ben Jummel listened to it twice, like it's so good.
I mean, you know, you know he'sa world renowned rapper.
He came from the streets, hewas a drug dealer, he's done all
these things, But he talks somuch about where he is now And
he's like I wanted to be out ofthat, i didn't want to be in.
He's a.
What I didn't realize is howmuch of a businessman he is.
Like he has built this empire,like he talks about the book.
(10:33):
He's like I'm not a good rapper.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I just, i know I'm not, i don't know, i don't feel
like I am, and he, i mean he'sdone well, but one of the
chapters has been really goodAnd I'm like man, it makes me
feel good where I'm at.
But it's all about like who'sin your crew is what he calls it
, and he talks about it Like hetalks about how people in it.
He's like look, if any of y'allhave beef or you fight, you're
done.
You're done, i will let youcause you know, he's like one of
(10:55):
the things about rappers is hesaid entourage is or you know,
everybody has them.
And you know, there's alwaysbeef And you know, and he's like
it's just, it hates a badpersona.
And he was like I don't, I'mnot about that.
He's like I'm not sparingmyself And he talks about.
He said you have to be hard onit with the people that you
surround yourself around,because that is what you're
going to pursue.
(11:15):
And I mean he talked about someexamples, about some other
music producers like that hadstayed at home and have stayed
like in there.
Like he said you know they'vestayed in Queens and they didn't
move out.
He said I moved out.
Like.
He said you know what, I'llcome home, I'm going to support
my community, but I can't bearound that all the time If I'm
going to continue being abusinessman and growing.
(11:37):
And so he just talked about howimportant that is to look And it
just kind of made me look atthose things, how important it
is to look at your career.
He said he's had people wherehe's sent people to bus take it
home.
They got in a fight.
He's like you done.
I don't have time for this, hesaid.
And he said to this day theyblame me for not having success.
He's like but I'm not going tosurround myself with people that
(11:57):
bring negativity, like ourmission is to be successful.
He talks about that.
Yes, he knows he has money, hehas those things, but he's like
money's not everything.
I want to be successful, i wantto leave a mark, i want to, i
want to change culture, and he'slike that's what I want to do.
But, it's just important.
It's funny how you talked aboutthat And it's for me it's like
that's why mentorship is soimportant, because it is who you
(12:20):
surround yourself around andwho you're feeding in other
people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, that brings me to a question, then.
So it could be possible thatsomeone could have a positive
mentor, but they could also be anegative mentor.
So be careful who you surroundyourself with and who you really
want advice from, because youdefinitely don't want to be in
the category of someone draggingyou the wrong way.
(12:44):
Right, that can work againstyou.
Matter of fact, we're going tohave an episode coming up on
positivity and negativity soonOr down the road, because I
think it's a very importantpiece, but no, that's a good
point.
Matter of fact, the definitionof a mentor is an experienced
and trusted advisor.
Okay, that's the noun.
The verb version is to adviseor train, especially a younger
(13:10):
colleague.
Now, we all know it doesn'thave to be a colleague in the
same environment business,church, whatever you're in But
someone that you're trying tobuild up because and they don't
have to be younger than youeither Younger- doesn't mean age
younger means.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think it's younger and experienced.
Correct.
To me, that's what it is.
It's not age, it's experience.
I mean, i had a conversationwith a guy from another church
the other day and I don't knowif he's older than I am or if
I'm older, but he said hey man,i'm just getting in.
He sent me a message onInstagram.
He does create it for a churchin Alvaster.
(13:48):
He said hey man, i'm looking topurchase this camera and I'm
looking to purchase this one.
He's like I know you use thisand he's like I see you post it.
Can I just pick your brain?
So I was like yeah, man.
So I gave myself and we talkedfor about 15, 20 minutes and I'm
like man, what's your goal?
What?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
are you?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
trying to do.
I can tell you to I'm blue inthe face what camera you should
buy, what you should do I mean,i'm a tech nerd, but ultimately
what's?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
your end goal.
Yeah, you're definitely a technerd.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But what's your end goal?
But I think my whole point wasI think he's, i believe he's
older, but I mean in terms ofskillset he's like, hey, i'm new
to the video world.
What do I do So?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, that's.
The point is, it doesn't matterthe age of the person.
That can be in skill set tenure, you know, whatever the case
may be, Cause someone.
If someone's trying a new trick, you know, a new trade,
whatever, they're obviouslygonna need someone that can help
them get to that level.
Matter of fact, shout out toour guy I'm gonna try to
pronounce his name Adam Rael,Raul, Raul sorry.
(14:52):
Raul, by the way, Raul is.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Raul.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I talked about him.
A podcast, two or go.
Yeah, he is a businessentrepreneur.
Hair he's not.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm not gonna call him A barber.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
He's a barber, he's a barber he is, but you know
what's interesting.
By the way, i got my first trimup from him getting ready for
this convention And I got thebeard trim up.
You're watching on YouTube.
Got the old beard trim up,fantastic.
But today he was asking mequestions about you know our
business, cause you hadobviously talked to him about me
and my brother and all.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I joke with him.
I joke with him just so youknow.
Before he came and said, lookman, i said I convinced him to
come.
I said he's our company owner.
I said look, i'm not trying tobribe nothing, but we're like.
I said you know.
I said we're a big franchiseAnd I said we've got a lot going
on today.
So he goes like I need that manto look like he's a top 10
franchise.
Like I need you to hook me, ineed you to help me out.
I need that man to look likehe's a top 10 franchise.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know what's interesting, everything that you
told him, though.
He asked me.
He said hey, so how long have Ibeen in the top five, top 10
franchises in the country?
and he knew all the rightquestions.
And I asked him.
I asked him and said hey, man,tell me, tell me how you got
started in the hair business,okay, how'd you become a barber?
He said.
Interestingly enough, years agoI was right out of high school
(16:12):
and I ended up having a childand my mom told me.
She said, if you're gonnasupport this child, you need to
go find something to do.
He said well, man, mom, i don'tknow what I can do.
She said you can come work forme.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
My beauty's so long.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I didn't realize.
He told me a little bit, butyeah.
Yeah, so he did, and he saidit's been the last 12, 18 months
, whatever it is that he startedhis own barber shop great
little place downtown Birmingham.
If you're in the Birminghamarea, i would highly encourage
you to go check him out.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
He's got a great spot .
He's right next to and I feelterrible.
I hope I'm not going to miss mypodcast, but I think it's
Birmingham Brewing.
Yeah it's a cool little brewerythat's right next door, I think
Wasabi Ones.
If you're in Birmingham,obviously Wasabi Ones is like a
sushi burrito place, but it's anice little spot Right off 2nd
Avenue.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
South Right off 2nd Avenue.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
South.
It's a great, great spot, greatcrew.
I mean the place is packed allthe time.
He's got all.
He's got four chairs in there,so he's got other guys, they're
specialized.
So it's crazy to me as him, asan entrepreneur, watching what
he's done.
I mean like he's expanding.
You know, he's announced he'sdoing vestavia.
He's looking to do more thanthat, but he's created this vibe
(17:26):
and it's just cool to seesomebody his age.
Like you said, that startedfrom.
I need to support my family.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, well, he told me this too, he said.
He said well, tell me how yougot into surf.
Of course I told him our story.
You guys have heard that on theshow before.
But he said you know what'sinteresting is I was cutting a
gentleman's hair this was early,early in his process and he
said the guy was sitting in thechair.
I don't know if you know thestory.
He said the guy was sitting inthe chair and all of a sudden he
(17:54):
started giving me this businessadvice and he said he told me.
He said if you want helpgetting started, i would love
the opportunity to help youstart.
And say his name again Raul.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Raul, Raul, Raul, Raul, Raul Raul told him.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
He said well, sir, i would love it.
What do I owe you?
And the guy said you owe menothing as long as you promise
that you will pay it forward oneday.
And basically he was saying Iwill mentor you, but you have to
promise me that you're going tomentor other young men to be
able to do what you do and howyou do it.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So it was a really good story And he's doing that
because he's building the ranks,because he wants to expand, so
he's trying to find guys thatare kind of in that same field,
that are wanting to grow.
So we talked about that alittle bit today.
I'm like so are you teaching?
do you have a fade parlor way?
You know we joke about all thetime that you guys have the
Wilson way.
So I was like, do you have likethe fade parlor way?
(18:51):
Like I mean, obviously I feellike being a barber is like
being a content creator.
You have your own style.
Everybody does somethingdifferent.
They cut different way.
Like I just enjoy the way Raulcuts my hair.
Like I've not found somebody ina long time then.
So that's why I go to him Andso he's got, but his clients
have the same thing.
Like it was funny you werementioning one.
Like you were joking about youknow one day just shaving, you
(19:13):
know going ahead and shaving itall off man Where that started
from is.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I looked down the.
I looked down a couple of seatsover from me and the other
gentleman working in there wascutting hair and he's bald and
just has to be Clean, thoughlooks good.
I mean clean.
And I told Raul, i said I'mgoing to end up like him in the
next couple of cuts And helaughed.
He looked at me and he said butwhat you don't know is he's
only 24 years old.
You're 44 years old.
(19:38):
You've lasted longer than him.
So he was trying to make mefeel good.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Thank you It was good , though, as we sat and joked
about that, i was cause Sarahhas, like, what are they
laughing at?
So I was telling her, you knowshe, i was telling her about
Raul and I was like man, ireally I enjoy talking to him,
like I have I love coming inhere, Like I just I said, but he
reminds me a lot of you.
Like it's like he, you and yourbrother are so good at taking
care of our company.
(20:02):
You take care of people, likeyou've always said, hey, we take
care of people to take care ofus.
And I was like, yeah, he, justlike, a few weeks ago they just
got back, he took all of histeam to the beach.
You know, he let him bring,like us, you know, bring a
spouse or you know just asignificant other.
So I was like he, he's tryingto do it right.
So, you can tell he is doingwhat he was like, what he said
to do.
I mean, he is paying forward,He's trying to train and he's
(20:24):
trying to build up those Andhe's building a business or
something.
That what I think it is too.
It's sustainable, Like every,it's a business that everybody
needs.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, it's something you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know I joked with him that I was like look, you
know, cause I told him what wasfunny is.
I said well, he's been going tolike great clips to get his
hair.
It's like, so I'm excited forhim to come in.
And I was like, you know, wealways joke about it And I
always tell him that.
you know, barbershop for me isone of the things I love.
And I said but he's been goingto great clips, he's like he's
getting those six, 99 haircut.
And he was like how did?
they do it.
I was like, look, i'm gonna behonest with you, man.
(20:54):
I said I think there's a timeand place for everything.
I was like I mean, youobviously you're not gonna bring
your you know probablytypically won't bring your kids
to like a barbershop like this,right, you know you just need a
quick care.
I was like so I think it hasits place.
But I was like you know, i'mexcited for him to get the a
barber experience.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's the key.
That is the key right there,cause that's what.
Exactly what they provided wasthe experience.
Yeah, it wasn't just a haircut,or a beard trim up.
It was an experience.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, it's a community.
That's what I like about it.
Like we were, you know, um, hewas kind of congested And I was
like man.
I was like I said man that's,i've been congested like six or
seven times already this yearAnd we were just joking about
longterm effects of everythingthat's gone on the past couple
of years and how many peoplelike my wife's, had trouble with
it.
And he had, but it was just weas a everyone in the in the like
(21:42):
in the business.
we're just talking.
So it's a community thatthey've created and they've
created a culture and experience.
So that's one of the reasons,too, why I like it, because I
know when I go in, I'm going totalk to him for a moment.
you know we're going to catchup.
and then he's cool about likehe shares, shares our stuff, he
writes me.
you know he messes with me onInstagram, so it's you know he
never feels like he's too bigfor the people that he's that
(22:04):
are his customers.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know so So.
So from a flip the script, okay.
So from a mentor standpoint,not a mint, a mentee is someone
that's looking for a mentor foradvice.
Trust you know whatever.
So from a mentor perspective,what do you think that a mentor
gets out of a mentee?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I feel like it's fulfillment, knowing that you're
doing something that somebodyelse is interested in.
Yeah, so like, for instance, inthe in the 50 cent book that
I'm listening to he talks aboutI mean a lot of his business
oriented, but he talks about,like don't ever down your own,
don't ever be down on your ownproduct, like he's really big
about, except, like havingsetbacks right, like you're
(22:49):
gonna have setbacks, like don'tlet one thing change all of it.
He said that you know he talksabout everything that happened
to him him getting shot, likehim getting turned down, like he
said every one of those shouldhave crushed me, like every one
of those should have kept mefrom moving forward, you know.
And so he talks about a lot ofthose things that he walked
through.
But he made a statement and Iloved it.
(23:10):
He said if one person asks foryour advice, it's cause they
believe in your product.
That's good, that's good And Iwas like man that's strong.
If one person asks for youradvice, they believe in your
product, they believe in yourvision, they believe in what you
can do.
And I'm like man that gosh.
I was like if anything feltlike it's speaking to me.
That's where I'm at, cause youknow I've got some things next
(23:32):
week.
You know we have a convention.
I've had a few people reach outand say, hey, i need pictures or
video, like can you do it?
And in my head I'm like God,there's so many better people.
And you know we've always I'vealways talked about how that's a
struggle, but you know it'sbeen good cause it's led me to
where I'm like all right, i needto have a sense of like I know
(23:53):
my stuff, like I know my stuff Ihave I have skill and I have a
skill that I believe peopleshould pay for, like I've worked
for it.
So it's just he talks throughthat like have that confidence
in it.
And I think being someone whomentors other can help filter
that And be like look, you haveworked hard enough that somebody
(24:14):
else sees that hard work andsays teach me.
But that's dead on too, because,if you think about it, they
wouldn't be coming to the mentorin the first place for advice
if they didn't want an answer tosomething, if you're not doing
what you're supposed to Andyou're obviously like you know,
you know I think you'vementioned this before Like, if
(24:35):
it's somebody that has thepotential to be a million dollar
business but they're only doinglike 10,000 a year, 50,000 a
year, why would you ask them foradvice?
If you, you are who you want to, you are who you are around.
So if you want to be a milliondollar business, why are you
hanging out with 10 and 15 and20,000 dollar business?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
people Exactly right.
Think about this.
The, our father, did ananalysis with us 10 years ago
probably when he was stillliving.
He told us this the average.
He had a chart.
The average business in Americadoes between 750, 750,000 a
year and a million a year.
That's the average business.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Once people get past that million dollar mark.
If they get past the milliondollar mark, think about this
they have to have more employees, which means they could have
insurance hire.
whatever the case may be, theyare probably comfortable, you
know, with a great salary.
They're not working for someoneelse, they have their own
business and they may not wantto get over that hurdle.
(25:34):
You're in.
you're in the, i want to say hesaid top 65% of businesses in
America that do a milliondollars.
When you cross the milliondollar mark to get to five
million dollars, you're in thetop, like 15% of businesses
across America.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I swear I heard that in the book too, Like not that
exact but similar to what you'resaying.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, Did you get over $5 million?
up to 10 and above.
You're in like the top two to3% of businesses in America.
So to your point, if someonelistening now is an entrepreneur
and you're at the two million,we're at the one million mark
trying to get to two to five,you need to have a mentor who's
doing 10.
If that's where you want to goyou know it's in the church
(26:18):
world.
The average church in Americaruns a hundred people A hundred,
okay.
So if you're, if you believethat the Lord has called you for
your church to, you know,shepherd 500 people, a thousand
people in the cases of somelarge churches across America,
30, 40, 50,000 people If you'rerunning a hundred people and you
(26:39):
believe that the Lord is, iswants you to have your church to
have 500 people, you shouldprobably be trying to get with.
You know, follow someone.
That's a thousand people.
How are they doing it?
They got better processes insuch a place.
So the key here is whoever'smentoring you make sure they've
been there, done that and theyhave a track that you could
(27:01):
follow.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, and as they're doing that too, make sure
yourself that you okay.
For instance, you know you'rehanging out with somebody,
you're being mentored bysomebody that's you know, a
million dollar company, fivemillion dollars, whatever.
Yeah, i also think it'simportant, though, as you're
being mentored, make sure youlook at those things and set
yourself like small goals forthat.
Like, for instance, if yourgoal I'm going to use just
(27:25):
content creation, if my goal isto get to where I have 10,000
followers and I ain't nowherenear that, Okay, so let's make
sure, like I'm, at 15.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Follow Adam West media.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, adam West, just do Adam West first and then
we'll worry about the otherstuff.
But my goal shouldn't be allright.
By the end of this year I want10,000.
That's a big goal.
The problem with two is thatgoal's so large and this may
need to be another podcast butthat goal's so large that if I
don't achieve it's going to betough to achieve that,
especially because I'm not adaily poster Like I'm, and I
(27:57):
know I haven't really createdanything that gives people a ton
of value other than somethingpretty to look at.
So I've got to find.
Then these problems are justagain, timing, talking about
burnout, it's just timing to beable to do some of that.
So you need to set smallergoals.
All right, if my goal is to getto 10,000 people, let's just
worry to say all right, by themiddle of the year I want to add
(28:17):
300 people to my followers listLike legitimate, okay, so you
can look like you get a lot ofbots, fake accounts, but you're
like, hey, i want to sustainwhere if I'm at 1500, i want to
be at 1700, i want to be at 1800.
So set small goals.
So when you reach it, you sayall right, well now, and say it
(28:38):
like hey, i'll do that by end ofJuly, end of August, i'm going
to try and push enough contentthat I can gain that.
Well, you want to try toachieve that.
So then you can say, all right,well, i want to say, well,
let's try that.
Like I achieved 300, let's sayfive or six or whatever, or a
thousand.
So I think that's true too.
Is that, even when you are beingmentored, look for those small
(29:00):
wins.
Like look for things to move to, that Don't overdo yourself.
So that way you have thosefalse words And that's something
.
If somebody asked me, that'swhat I would tell them too.
Like, look, set small goals, sothat way you can have small
victories.
And then set because a victoryis a victory to me Like it
doesn't matter if it's big, itdoesn't matter if it's large.
But you know, i'm like you,like I want my big victories.
(29:20):
Like I want to sell 10, 15, 20,20, $20,000 project.
Now, projects like that,obviously you're going to
require time, you're going torequire support, like I'm not
walking in myself and doing a 10, 15, $20,000 video project.
I've got to have a team.
I've got to help but I've got toget to that point.
(29:41):
So I need to be able to sellsome of these smaller five, six
$700 jobs so I can get to that10, 15, $20,000 job.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it's good to have a mentor.
And again, there's alldifferent types of mentor
spiritual, physical, being acoach.
You know, a coach can be amentor.
It doesn't have to be callednecessarily a mentor.
It could be called a coach, alife coach, it could be a pastor
, it could be a friend, it canbe a coworker.
It's always good to have somekind of mentor in your life,
(30:13):
depending on where you and yourfamily want to go.
And I'm telling you, havingthat mentor walk alongside you
can definitely pay dividends offin the long run.
And to that point, againflipping the script, you can
also become a mentor by wantingto pay it forward to other
people, so that you can teachothers what you've learned and
(30:33):
you've done.
So it's a two-way streak.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
That kind of leads me into, you know, just a thought
process as to I meanunderstanding that being a
mentor, there's things that comewith it, right, like you have
got to understand it.
It's a responsibility to takeon.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's a big responsibility.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know I always hate when you hear people be
like, oh, you should give, you,know and granted, i'm not in
their position.
So I you know I'm just speakingfrom my opinion but like, oh,
you should give athletes, youknow, we got to give them, we
got to give them slack here andslack there.
I'm like, look, they chose tobe the limelight.
You know, like I granted, again, i'm not in that, so I'm not
(31:12):
trying to be judgmental of it,but I'm thinking like, look,
that's something they said thatthey wanted to do.
They have a skill set, theywanted it large.
So I think sometimes being in apublic facing Image means you
got it.
There's some things that youdon't get to do.
I hate.
I hate bringing it up.
I'm literally in the midst ofreading the books.
I feel like I keep bringing itup.
(31:34):
But one of the things he talksabout is that he has an image to
portray and That he hasresponsibilities, not just for
him but for the people that hesupports his family, that his
publicist, his, his Book editoror book publicist or, you know,
his booking agent.
So he has all the people theycare of and he's like, i've got
(31:56):
to remember that.
So he's like.
But also, you know, i have tokeep that image.
He's like yeah, I'll, i'll go,you know, with my image.
He's like I'll go to the club.
You know, i go to the club,he's like, but most people think
they think I'm drinking.
I'm not like, i don't drink atall.
Right, he said, like you know,big thing for him, especially in
the rap, like Hennessy's a bigdrink for rappers he talked
about and he was like in the inthe rapping game Everybody drank
(32:16):
Tennessee.
He said if I go to the clubwith some folks, he said what I
do is I pour all out, i pour outall the Hennessy to them and
then my bodyguard fills it upwith ginger ale.
And he said I hold the bottleall night long because he said
it's an attended bottle.
Yeah, so he sips on it likehe's big and cool.
He's like I put up an imageYeah, i'm just drinking ginger
ale, so but which is probablyfar from what we.
(32:39):
that's probably terribleexample.
But the whole point I'm talkingabout is just Being in that he
realized his responsibility haswell and he said I never want to
be in the state of impairment.
I Never.
I can.
He said in my role I can't like, from where I come from, i
can't be in this.
I need to be aware of mysurroundings.
Yeah, he said I need to be.
And he said and he talks about,i know that's Coming from
(33:01):
somebody like me that comes fromQueens, he said.
But he said You in your ownbusiness, that needs to be that
you should always be aware.
He said it stays one step aheadbecause he said you know what.
You know what happens.
He said when you go out tobusiness with your folks, if
you're part of a business Whichis one of the reasons why I'm
glad we don't really partake inthat But one of you know one of
the things we don't as a team wedon't drink like you won't find
us any function and anything.
(33:23):
We don't entertain it.
It's not what we do.
But he says if your companydoes things like that, he said
don't be the person that does.
he said cuz you know what.
He said you want to get aheadin the game and he's like I
don't feel like this is wrong.
He said if they're gonna chooseto impair themselves and give
away what they're working onright, give me the edge.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You know what's funny about that?
I had someone asked me a whileback.
You know I don't.
I don't drink alcohol.
I choose not to right I don't.
And there are people that dohave nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, someone, someone asked me.
They said why do you not drink?
I said why do I have to?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
then they go.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What do you mean?
I said What.
Why do I have to what?
what is the what's the point?
if I don't want to and you wantto, i mean it's okay.
Yeah and it's like I said, ican have fun without doing that,
you know.
So it's interesting that, tohis point, you know he has a.
He does have an image to uphold.
He has a responsibility tohimself and to his family or who
(34:17):
met the publishers and whoeverelse.
So good for him.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, it's just kind of funny, you and he said you
usually wouldn't think that ofme.
Like you see me and youinstantly like, oh man, i bet
she's in the club drinking thisevery night and party it up.
He said he doesn't smoke, hedoesn't drink, yeah, and do he
that?
he said no, i've drank everyonce in a while.
Yeah, but he said I'll baby it.
So I mean, obviously, like forme, i'm somebody that that
typically will have a drinkevery once.
(34:41):
Well, but the last thing I don'tever want myself impaired
either.
Right, and so I think too, youhave to remember It's where
you're at, like you have youhave to be careful in that.
So I mean, i think about whatwe do with the church, what we
do at Serpa Oh yeah, do on thepodcast.
You know what we do Not justthat.
I mean, one of our big thingsis is it's not just me I'm
(35:03):
working for, like we weary'all's name.
We wear your personal name,like people know we're part of
team Wilson, so we wear thatname and we have to be careful
with that.
Sometimes, you know And it'sfunny because that's something
your brother's moving me into iswe're kind of changing my role,
like it just changed this week,where now I'm director of
digital marketing and brandingbecause, branding is a big thing
for me, like I love, love,branding I feel like I bleed
(35:25):
branding like it's important toprotect your.
Someone has to.
You have to because it's yourforward-facing image and I think
too, i think some of thatthings too.
So I think that's important foryou.
If you are somebody that'smentoring someone, you have to
protect your forward-facing andnot just you, but the people
you're mentoring right?
You know, we're in an age nowwhere social media like
something goes wrong, likeYou're getting you're.
(35:48):
You're getting hit left andright.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, look at, look at the job of rent.
I mean, you know, thebasketball, nba basketball
player, great basketball player.
Maybe he was in the wrong placeat the wrong time, maybe, yeah,
i mean he shows a gun socialmedia once twice.
I mean, they did somethingabout it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, well, what's crazy if you think about it.
I mean, outside of the firstcase, which I believe was in a
club, the second one that he'sgetting you know, the second one
that he's getting in troubleover, he was in his own vehicle.
We went around the public right.
So people are like, wait, hedidn't even break a law.
Like, and I mean, if you thinkabout it, you're not wrong, but
is that the image that you wantto portray?
(36:26):
and you have to?
I think sometimes You have toremember that, wow, yes, you
have the right to talk that way.
You have the right to say whichone?
I?
I Joke, i tell people this allthe time that they don't need to
take it as a joke.
It's like what you're posting,mm-hmm.
I shared something that I sawsome some of our other
counterparts Posts and I'm likethat just looks so bad for their
(36:48):
team.
Like why would you postsomething that's language filled
or that doesn't?
because it Deloots the brand?
Yeah, and it does, because youobviously states who you work
for.
Like I saw them post on theirsocial media Like you, that's
the other thing.
Like, if you want to be that way, don't post, don't have all
these things tied to youraccount that says, oh, i work
here, right, right, and I did it.
(37:09):
I mean, i don't think youshould be doing it anyways, but
I think you have to be carefulas a mentor because it it can
hurt that how it looks, and I Ithink people have to realize
that.
So like when he did that and hedid his, he had the second He
did already got in trouble, saidhe was gonna change you, i'm
gonna do it.
And then what was even worse isI think they came out like 30
days later They're like oh, itwas a toy.
(37:29):
Like oh, so it took you a monthto realize it was a toy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, but the thing with him, you know, and again,
people these kids especiallynowadays are looking up, looking
like everything.
I'll give you a great exampleLeBron James.
He's been in the league.
Now I want to say he's almost,if he's not, 40.
He's getting close.
Yeah, he's been in the league,you know, over almost 20 years.
A little over 20 years.
(37:54):
The guys won what?
four or five NBA championships.
He has the all-time scoringrecord in the NBA And I don't
know that you have ever heard,never one thing about him that
never been, he's been married tohis wife.
I want to say they met in highschool.
Maybe no could be wrong withthat.
Kids, great, great kids.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
He's given everything back.
He's got a.
He's got a.
He's.
You know, he built a schoolthat's for underprivileged kids
Yeah, an acronym to help themhave, because it's not the best
school system in Akron.
And so I mean, yeah, i meanwhether you will agree with his
politics or not, which I thinksometimes should really not be
here nor there, you know.
I mean that's just how we view,view things.
(38:38):
I think, from a mentor, from amentor perspective, i mean, he's
doing it doing it right, doingit right, and you need to look
at that, and I think I thinkit's important because I think
you have to look at those thingslike alright, put aside how you
feel someone might politicallylook at things.
Yeah if Neither him or therehe's done life right, yeah, and
he's built an empire for himselfAnd I mean it's he's smart with
(39:01):
how he's done things and it'she's been.
I mean look at a lot of these.
And then you have these other.
You have these other athletesthat, like they throw it away,
mm-hmm.
I mean they don't getthemselves in trouble, they
don't have themselves and theybuilt Grammy.
Look at Steph Curry.
I mean Steph Curry has neverbeen in trouble, never done
anything.
And Don't me wrong, i can'tstand the man because I can play
(39:24):
some basketball.
That's why I hate it so much.
Could you?
the dude puts a ridiculous, imean even Even, like you know,
the Joker.
I mean he, he didn't even careabout.
He's like Can I just go?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
home like we're going , we're done.
Can.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I go home.
It's just funny seeing how Theathletes that do it right
sometimes are never the onesthat That get the credit, but
those are the people you shouldbe looking to as mentors.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You talked about this too.
Sorry, i didn't mean to cut you.
No, you're good, you talkedabout this.
You said you know social mediatoday.
Okay, these two guys we justtalked about, lebron James and
Steph Curry They, the media, isalways looking for something
wrong.
That's.
That's what the media is right.
I heard someone say this a longtime ago.
Television tell a vision.
(40:10):
They are simply reporting stuff.
That may be true.
May not be true.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Who believes leads is what I remember hearing in
college one time in an economicsclass.
What bleeds leads.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, i mean, look at Kobe Bryant same thing, the guy
was fantastic.
So to look at one of thosethree guys we just talked about
to be a mentor from a businessfrom a business perspective.
Mm-hmm, they've done thingsright.
You can't argue with that.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, and remember too We're living a day and age
that If you're somebody that'slooking for a mentor, I think
it's appropriate to look atthings like social media.
I mean There's, there's, there's, there's individuals that I
follow On my accounts becausethey put out things that bring
me value.
They put out They, they put outreels and videos that teach me,
(40:53):
have taught me, how to use mycamera and Give me ideas, like
they give me ways to learn, andyou know, and what's great is
some of them connect, even havetens of thousands of followers.
They still connect with you,mm-hmm.
But I think that's something,too, to think about that.
If there's not somebodydirectly in your life, you could
.
I don't think it's inappropriateto look on somewhere like
(41:14):
social me, like I mean,obviously, look at who you it is
And what you're doing.
But I think a mentor could besomebody that you know on a
personal level or somebody andSometimes social media feels
like that because you see thempost every day, yeah, see what
they're doing.
You almost feels like you seethe inside of their life.
But I think that's importanttoo, whether that's a spiritual
leader that posts a lot, whetherit's somebody like a you know A
(41:37):
Dave Ramsey, or you knowanybody that handles finance, or
whether that's an athlete.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
By the way, he is a great mentor when it comes to
finances.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Dave Ramsey, the guy, the guy and so I know you'll
preach him to the, to your bluein the face.
But I think too that somethingas you, as you, if you're
listening to podcast like well,i don't, you know, especially if
you think I don't hand, by mylife I don't have somebody right
now that can mentor me.
Yep, i mean social mediaconnects you to that, you know,
and I think, as long as you'reusing it in a healthy standard,
(42:06):
you know, you're not like cyberstalking folks and you know,
sliding into their DMs in themiddle of the night, i think
that's something that you canlook at too.
That brings value.
I mean, there's there's a lotof things that I do now because
of that and and I feel like thatI've learned With my camera,
because of the stuff they've.
I mean, there's things that I'mlike man, i didn't even know
(42:27):
that there's a guy, there's aguy I can't remember his name.
He's I think his tag is this 40year old guy, but it's
hilarious.
He's like in my 40 years.
He's like, he's like there's noway you can do that.
And he makes these noises.
It's how he starts every videoand it's things like how to like
how to wrap up an extensioncable, oh yeah, or how to clean
(42:49):
things in the house, or Even ifsomething is stupid, is how to
pour beer without foam.
He's like oh, there's no way.
You can't do that.
I've I've been alive for 40years.
There ain't no way.
I didn't know that It's so.
I mean, it's just, it's just.
I mean I think you can find thatinspiration in places.
But I know, as we get ready towrap up, i think the biggest
thing You know to touch on, ifyou're again, if you're somebody
(43:11):
that's mentoring someone, it'smake sure you're careful with
what you're doing.
Yeah, i think that's a bigresponsibility to have and I
think that's something that youGotta watch what you're doing
and if you're somebody that'slooking for a mentor, find that.
Find this might as doing.
Find it to be someone.
That's where you want to be at,not where not you know, not
where you hope they're gonna be.
(43:32):
Find someone who is where youwant to get to and a good
connection point there.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
If you do attended local church, find that.
Talk to your pastor.
They know people in your inthere, in your church.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
They could be business, small groups You
didn't know about, or So yeah,Awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well, i want to tell you guys I can't thank you
enough, adam and I both, for theInspiration that you've sent us
.
We we get messages all the timeabout wanting to know about
this or that.
Just thanking us for this, had aguy reach out to us from the
state of Washington hererecently.
He listens to this, by the way.
Thank you for listening, butjust saying what inspiration we
(44:09):
were to him and you.
Anything we can do to help you,you can always email us, benji,
at higherup podcast, calm, youcan.
You can subscribe again on anyplatform YouTube as well.
We just want to say thank youfor connecting with us.
Spread, spread this, you know.
Spread our social media posts,because the more people we can
inspire, that's what this is allabout.
(44:30):
Yeah, and we want to do that.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, i think we.
I think I'm gonna startsomething real quick before we
go.
I think you mentioned thereview.
I think we know you know thatyou can only like leave reviews
on Apple.
Right now, spotify is just astar rating, so we appreciate
you guys doing that.
They help us a lot.
But I think it'd be importantas long as they're coming in.
Yeah, we go out.
It'd be great to read some ofthese, so I'll share that one
with you.
It's from from Keith, so shoutout to Keith.
(44:54):
Yeah, thanks listening this one.
But here's what he said it wasawesome.
It's five star review, he said,bro.
He said it was brilliant.
He said as a blue star native,the last thing I'd ever expect
to love listening to his twodudes was Southern accent
talking about Intersectingtopics of faith and business
Yeah, humbling, i'm happy toadmit.
I'm pleasantly surprised by howgenuine and thought-provoking
(45:15):
both Adam and Benji are in theirapproach to both.
It's evident that they aim toaid towards age Others towards
success with their experienceand happy to share their insight
.
It's quickly turned into one ofmy favorite podcasts and now in
my current rotation, alongsidehow I built this and creators
science.
Well done, gentlemen.
I look forward to Keith man, weappreciate you never met Keith
(45:38):
in person.
Actually is funny.
I met him through a creativeconcert, creative conference
that Nick Goodner put on, soNick, good kind of a great
mentor, great, hopefully one daywe can be big enough to have
that man on this podcast.
You guys help us get there.
He's awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Spread the word, send him an email.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Send him an email, send him message.
But yeah, he So we appreciateit.
Please do that.
Hey, look, if you do, leave usa review, we'd love to read it
when we've got about 10 or 15more, though.
So we'll try to take one eachepisode and I think it'd be
something fun to do as we wrapup, just so you guys can can
hear that.
Gaze, guys and gals I keepsaying guys, i know we got both,
so we appreciate you andappreciate y'all listening, but
(46:16):
we'll have another one for youguys in about two weeks.
We got a little bit going on.
Benji and I both will be out oftown this at the time of
recording this, the next weekFor a big sort of pro convention
, and then, man, we'll be backin town The week of July 4th,
and so we'll have some downtimethat we'll be able to record
another one.
But we got some good ones.
I think we got some goodepisodes.
I know you mentioned you know,benji some episode I'd love to
(46:39):
talk about hustling.
I think this book has got me ona hustle.
I love right now mentality.
I think that'd be a great pot,a great topic.
Or, you know, goals or justpositivity, negative.
So we got some good ones comingup and then Hopefully in the
next coming episodes, we'regonna start trying to pull some
guests in.
Yeah, for you guys, that mightfit that.
Maybe it's the digitalmarketing landscape.
(47:00):
I know for me, until Benji,that's a big one.
I want to talk about digitalmark, especially in the church
world.
I feel like business isimportant, but if you're
listening to us and you're partof a church, i think it's
important.
I'd love to get some of that.
Or you know, benji, i know yougot some hopes for some worship
guests.
That's a.
That's a big thing for you.
So I feel like we got some goodstuff coming up.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, they're cool.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
So be good.
But hey, we love you guys.
We appreciate you listening.
Y'all enjoy your week and golive a higher up life.
Hey, benji and I want to take amoment and just thank you for
listening to the higher uppodcast.
We really hope you enjoyedtoday's episode and just learned
some valuable insights to helpimprove your own life.
Hey, if you found today'sepisode helpful, we would be
(47:39):
grateful if you could take amoment and rate us five stars on
Spotify Or if you're listeningon Apple podcast.
We just want to know what youthink about the show.
Either way, when you leave us areview, you're helping us grow
our network and reach morepeople with our message.
Remember, our mission is toempower you in every aspect of
your life and we're thankful foryour support.
We've got new episodes of thehigher up podcast dropping every
(48:00):
other Thursday, so take asecond and turn your
notifications to stay in theloop.
Make sure that you follow us onyour favorite social media
platforms to stay connected withour community.
We just want to thank you againfor listening and we look
forward to having you join usagain on the higher up podcast.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
True Crime Tonight
If you eat, sleep, and breathe true crime, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT is serving up your nightly fix. Five nights a week, KT STUDIOS & iHEART RADIO invite listeners to pull up a seat for an unfiltered look at the biggest cases making headlines, celebrity scandals, and the trials everyone is watching. With a mix of expert analysis, hot takes, and listener call-ins, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT goes beyond the headlines to uncover the twists, turns, and unanswered questions that keep us all obsessed—because, at TRUE CRIME TONIGHT, there’s a seat for everyone. Whether breaking down crime scene forensics, scrutinizing serial killers, or debating the most binge-worthy true crime docs, True Crime Tonight is the fresh, fast-paced, and slightly addictive home for true crime lovers.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com