December 2, 2024 • 35 mins
This episode shares personal stories to highlight the impact of shifting perspectives. We explore how adopting an abundance mindset over a scarcity mindset fosters creativity and opens new opportunities. We also discuss the challenges of transitions and societal pressures, often amplified by social media.
Listeners will learn about the dynamics of leadership, emphasizing trust and collaboration within teams. Brady reflects on his 20-year business journey, showcasing how an abundance mentality enhances team interactions and promotes growth. We touch on the unique challenges of family-run businesses and the importance of building trust in both professional and personal relationships.
The episode underscores the value of creating an environment where every voice is heard. Brady stresses the need for open dialogue in leadership meetings and the role of self-awareness in collaboration. By focusing on unity and understanding, we demonstrate how an abundance mindset can alleviate future fears and prioritize empathy, leading to a more productive and harmonious approach to leadership and life.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
all right, benji brady, welcome in to episode 15,
season 2, episode 5.
So we're back again for anotherepisode.
Glad to see you guys, oh yeahgood to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Really cool man we're uh, the big one, five, I guess.
Is that a milestone?
Maybe it's not a mile, it'sgetting there we're, we're
getting to that point.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're almost, almost to 20.
That's a milestone.
That, uh, that I keep seeing,like how do we get to 20?
So that's awesome, as we'regetting there quick, nice, but,
um, but hey guys, I'm excitedwe've got got a good episode for
you today.
This is a good one because thisis one of Brady's topics.
Oh yeah, this is something youmessaged Benji and I about and
said, hey guys, can we coverthis?
(00:53):
And I was like, yes, we can.
So we're going to be talkingabout abundance mindset and so
take a second break.
Explain maybe what that is whyyou feel like this is an
important topic to cover for ourlisteners.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Where did this come from?
Yeah, so I mean, I listen to alot of podcasts, read a lot of
books and a lot of people havejust been talking through like,
what is having an abundancemindset versus a scarcity
mindset?
We live in a world, in life, inbusiness, in everything that we
do, it is so easy to live outof fear Fear of the unknown,
(01:38):
fear of missing out, fear of X,Y, Z, you know.
And so how do we come out ofthat?
Because there there's a lot ofscientific facts that are out
there that you know just fearand anxiety and all these things
, what it can do, even just toyour, not only your mental state
, but what it can do to yourphysical body and um, and so
(02:01):
that I just felt like it wasgood to talk about.
I mean, obviously, this is, youknow, hire a podcast, how to
lead better, but I think it's agood subject just to talk about
in our personal walk as well.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I kind of look at it, brady, when I saw the
topic.
You know is abundance scarcity.
I love the analogy you justused.
A lot of people do live out offear.
I mean I would bet most peoplethink of that from some point or
another.
You know it's just a humannature.
But you could almost compare itto um glass half full, glass
half empty.
(02:34):
You know, abundance abundancewould be the glass half full.
Um half empty would be thescarcity mindset.
So I'm excited to talk aboutthis today and see where, see
where it ends up.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, well, and you know, even from a, even from a
spiritual perspective and thisis this is like me talking to
myself right now Right, but ifwe are living out of fear, do we
really trust that the Lord isgoing to take care of whatever
needs to be taken care of, or soare we putting him in control?
Are we trying to be taken careof?
So are we putting him incontrol, or are we trying to be
(03:07):
in control of the situation?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So, that's tough to hear.
Well, I think, culturally, wealways want to be in control, I
think, whether that's really ourfinances, our family, our jobs.
I think sometimes it's verytough to put those things aside.
I mean, before you hopped on,benji and I were just chatting
(03:29):
and that's one of the things Iwas telling him that I'm
personally dealing with, likebeing in control of things and
knowing that I have a lane, andmaybe that's the lane that I
need to be in and say that that,hey, you know, you two tell us
all the time, control what youcan control.
That's something I'm trying toteach my own kids Like, hey, you
can't control these things, youcan't deal with these, but you
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can deal with it, but you can'tcontrol it.
And so that's something thatI'm looking at too right now,
cause I mean it stresses me outwhen I can't make these changes,
it frust, frustrates me becauseI see the potential and what we
can be doing versus what we'renot doing.
And so I feel like a lot oftimes that's where I mean, I
feel like I constantly I'mtalking to myself too.
(04:11):
That's where I'm always at.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, truly living by faith is what you're devoted to
, truly living by faith.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So just to just to maybe kind of set this up a
little bit, I mean, you guysknow, if you've been listening
for any length of time, that weare John Maxwell fans and you
know John Maxwell actually he'sgot a leadership podcast too,
and a few episodes ago heactually talked about this.
But he talks a lot about focus,okay, and what he says is what
(04:47):
we focus on really expands.
All right.
So let's think about this aminute.
If we focus on scarcity, what'sgoing to expand our scarcity?
And it keeps getting worse andworse and worse and worse and
worse.
So if we take the oppositeapproach and we focus on an
abundance mindset, then weunlock new possibilities.
We unlock new growthopportunities and really I think
(05:09):
at the core now Adam, you'reprobably more of this than Benji
and I are but at the core ofwho we are, we're creative
beings.
So it unlocks a creativity withhaving an abundance mindset.
So it's a shift.
It's hard and I was also kindof thinking of it from a
biblical perspective and youguys probably know this verse,
(05:32):
but Philippians 4.19,.
It says and my God will supplyevery need of yours according to
his riches in glory in ChristJesus.
So again going back to what dowe really trust in?
Who do we really trust in?
Are we trusting ourself or arewe trusting in the Lord?
So I want to ask you guys acouple of questions this morning
.
I'm going to kind of flip thescript back on you a little bit,
(05:53):
but what do you, I guess?
First off, let's talk aboutpersonal stuff.
So what do you guys think like?
How does this live out in ourpersonal life, having an
abundancy mindset versus ascarcity mindset?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hey, I'll say this first uh, adam Brady's getting
good at this, he's getting.
At first he was like I don't, Idon't know if I can do this.
Yeah, you could do this.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You said it, I think our, I think the reason we got
all these views and listens isnot you and I.
They're like huh Brady's on.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So I didn't mean to Brady, ask your question one
more time.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So what is kind of the abundancy mindset versus the
scarcity?
Let's talk about our personallife first.
Yeah, our personal perspective,like how do you guys think it
lives out in our personal walk,and then we'll talk about
business.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean from a personal perspective.
Like I said earlier, I thinkwe're all guilty at some point
of we we say we've said all thetime you know, live in faith,
live, live with faith, havefaith, have faith.
But then it comes down and youget those challenges in life and
you go oh, now I got to reallypractice what I preach.
So that's where the scarcitymindset comes in.
(07:04):
So, from a personal perspective, I think that could it be in
your financial situation, right?
I mean you see the bank accountstart coming down and you go
okay, paychecks coming Friday,paychecks coming Friday.
What am I going to do?
Whether you own a business,whether you're an employee, it
doesn't matter, right?
We all have the same mentality,especially a business owner.
(07:26):
I mean, think about thisChecking accounts, getting the
blacks coming down, I don't wantto get in the red.
Is that check for that jobcoming in, or is that check for
that service that I providedcoming in?
So that's where the scarcitymindset comes in.
The abundance mindset comes in.
That I mean we all have that.
You have an influx in yourbusiness and maybe in your
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personal life.
You have an influx of incomecome in, and what do we all do.
First thing we think about mostpeople let's go spend the money
.
Right, I got to have that, Igot to do this, I got to do that
.
So I think it can go both ways.
We all have those mountains andvalleys in life, and that's
just my perspective, adam.
(08:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't know if we have enough time on the episode
to divulge into this.
For me, this is a big one,cause, um, man, I, I feel like I
live in that scarcity,especially uh, recently, you
know, we talked about in thefirst episode of the season, you
know, I, I changed positions.
Um, that was one of the biggestthings for me.
(08:31):
That was hard because I'm likethere's a lot of comfort and
there was a lot of I felt like Ihad a purpose.
Not that I don't know where Iwas, but being at Serpro and
being on Team Wilson, I feltlike everything was in line, I
felt good, I felt like I hadstability, but I still didn't
feel like I was doing what Godhad called me to do and I felt
(08:52):
like there needed to be a change.
But I knew one of the thingsthat I talked with Emily before
we decided to do it.
I was like, babe, do I have thecapacity to be creative full
time, Like I've been able to doit at Serpro, but then I've also
was handling, you know, officework.
I was handling management,managing teams.
(09:12):
I was, you know, doing thingsfrom a desk that need to be done
analyzing data.
You know, mining data, likethese are things that sometimes
you don't have to be done.
Analyzing data, mining datathese are things that sometimes
you don't have to be creative of.
You're looking for these things.
And so I feel like, even now,with the position I'm in at the
church, I constantly live in ascarcity mindset and I know
(09:32):
that's something that needs tochange for me, because I feel
like I constantly am like I haveimposter syndrome.
I've always had impostersyndrome.
Am I good enough?
I have imposter syndrome.
I've always had impostersyndrome.
Am I good enough?
I think social media plays abig factor into that.
I think I have a terrible habitof doom scrolling because
there's a twofold.
I use social media as a way togive me ideas on how I could do
something similar, whether it'spersonally, for a client, for
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the church.
So I look at all these thingsand I constantly am like I'm not
.
I'm not that great.
I see that and I always feelawkward because people
compliment me a lot and I alwaysjokingly say it feels like
Talladega Nights, where it'slike he's being interviewed and
he keeps putting his hands up.
I don't know what to say whenpeople compliment me, but I feel
like for me, that's where I'vegot to get out of that.
(10:17):
I've got to get into thatmindset of abundancy to say, all
right, I have the ability to dothis.
God, you've given me thisability.
This is where you're talkingabout having faith in Him, faith
not just with my business, butpersonally.
I've got to remember that thisposition that I'm in it wasn't a
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happenstance, that thisposition that I'm in it wasn't a
happenstance.
He put me in a relationship withthe two of you that allowed me
to grow and be creative, becausethe two of you allowed that.
I had the relationship with thepastors at the church I'm at
now that allowed them to see hey, we feel like there's a need on
our team that you could fill,and so even in those moments, I
feel like I've got to find a wayto get it, cause I'm in that
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scarcity mindset right now.
I know I'm not in thatabundance mindset and you're
talking about being personal.
That's this is very real Like Ifeel like every day, even right
now we're working on likeChristmas stuff, and I'm like I
told him the other day I waslike guys, like I got to up this
hire, this guy can't even doour first big Christmas project.
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But yes, I think that'simportant, because when I'm
sitting in that I feel like ithinders me.
I feel like I'm stuck becauseI've got to find a way.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know what's interesting about that, Adam, I
didn't even think about thisuntil just now, but you kind of
mentioned in there.
I wonder, how often do weactually look backwards?
Okay, so, we're constantlooking forward, which it's good
, but how are we reflecting onthe past and using it to see how
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we need to go forward?
So a lot of times, you know, inour organization, we use the
analogy of, you know, thewindshield versus the rear view
mirror.
Okay, so, the rear view mirror,the windshield there's a reason
why it's bigger than the rearview mirror is because that's
where we need to be lookingRight.
But occasionally you need tolook in the rear view mirror so
you can see where you came from,what obstacles that you were
(12:13):
able to overcome.
And so I think, in um, in thisparticular instance, when we
kind of get in that scarcitymindset is from a personal
perspective look back and seewhere you start reflecting on
hey, man, the Lord worked inthat scenario.
The Lord worked in thatrelationship.
(12:33):
The Lord worked in thatsituation.
I didn't know how he was goingto do it.
I remember how scared I was.
I remember, you know, I canremember specific things in my
life.
You know that I was reallyfearful and really scared.
I didn't know how it was goingto work out, and God just worked
it out.
So how often do we actuallylook backwards and reflect?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
on that, looking backwards, too, brady, in the
rearview mirror, I mean, it alsocould be a perspective that
you're keeping your eye, whichwhich, by the way, keep your
eyes on the road.
Let's be honest.
Yeah, absolutely, it's just,it's a glance, you know, yeah,
but if you, if you keep, if youdo look in the rear view mirror.
Sometimes, I think, from ascarcity mindset, we're afraid
(13:14):
that someone's going to pass us,that whatever, whatever that
may be right You're driving downthe road and I know I'm using
the word scared someone's goingto pass us.
But think about it.
I mean, you see that person.
You're always keeping your eyeson you know, your head on a
swivel, looking out thewindshield, keeping back what's
behind you, because as you drive, you got to be defensive, right
, and I think the abundancemindset keeps us moving forward
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while in the same time, keepingperspective on what's behind us
so that we can keep our focusmoving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's so funny that you put it that way, brady,
because I just had aconversation with a buddy, like
two days ago, and we weretalking about something and you
know, I was like man I mean, mypictures have not been anywhere
near as good as they used to be.
I have trouble.
It's just a different setup.
(14:05):
It's a whole different church,it's a different setup and I was
like man, I'm not where Ishould be.
And it's just funny because theindividual mentioned the exact
same thing.
He was like dude, think aboutwhat you did before and think
about those things that you didand how you made it work.
(14:26):
Like how it through all thetrials and tribulations and you
know issues with with people andlighting and this.
And he was like but you made itwork and you grew what we had.
He was like you're in a newsituation, look, you're not
going to walk in and knock itout of the park, like you got to
figure it out.
And so he was like that'ssomething just to always be
(14:46):
mindful.
You mentioned that and that'sexactly what he said the other
day.
He's like look at what you goback and look at the pictures
you took when you first startedand look at where they are now,
yeah, and you got other peoplelooking at them going.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to be that guy , I want to do what he's doing?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know about that.
I laugh because, man, I'm in acoaching course with some guys.
I'm in this course called HappyCreative and man, there's some
guys that I feel like are legitand I'm like, what am I doing
sitting here with these fellows?
They are phenomenal.
But and I'm like, what am Idoing sitting here with these
fellas?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
They are phenomenal, but yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's part of where and man remember some of the
videos we did when we firststarted, how bad they were.
I found the very first video weever filmed the other day.
Benji, I was looking forsomething.
It was some video we filmedbecause there was a massive
rainstorm.
We had that ridiculous closetthat we put up a big green cloth
because you're a green screenperson.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Ridiculous closet that we put up a big green cloth
because you're a green screenperson and, oh yeah, you had a
lot more hair than you do now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And so, and we were, and we sent it to all the agents
, we were like, hey, we're here,we're ready.
And I was like yo, this looksterrible hey, it was good for
back then you might have the tvpicture there with the little
video that.
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Oh man, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We were so excited.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So how do you understand what even the
scarcity mindset is?
What does that mean to someone?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think it's just a basic understanding of you're
living in fear.
You're living in fear of what'sto come, or the element of the
unknown.
I think I see that in a lot ofpeople we don't know how this
thing is going to work out.
We don't know if we're going tobe able to do that.
You know, and even justrecently, the other day, I was
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having a conversation with and Iwant to get into the business
aspect of it, but I was having aconversation with one of our
teammates, one of our leaders.
He's like well we gotta, wegotta solve for this.
You know what about 10 years,15 years?
And I said, well, I mean it'sgood to look, you know, through
the lens of that but, we gotissues that we need to solve,
like right now.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Now, in the moment, we need to solve.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we focus on solvingfor today?
We need to solve.
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we focus on solvingfor today and then we can plan
for tomorrow?
You know, you know we don'tnecessarily have a crystal ball
to know what's going to happen,but we know that there's issues
that that need to be done andprepared for right now.
Let's, let's do that.
So one thing I want to kind ofshift gears a little bit is more
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of the abundance versusscarcity mindset.
If you guys are listening tothis and you're a leader, that
means you're leading teams I'msure Adam will be able to speak
to this, you know because he wasa part of our leadership team.
But how do we see this playingout within a team of people?
And it's very tough because andI wrote a couple of things down
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We've talked about it a lot andI don't know that we have fully
figured this out yet but havinga level of trust amongst your
leadership team, because ifthere's a scarcity mindset, then
you are just not going to trustpeople the way that you should
and really trust is thefoundation of everything in the
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business world.
As far as your leadership teamor the people that you're
leading every day.
So maybe speak to that a littlebit.
I mean, what do you?
I know you got some thoughts onthat.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Adam, I'm laughing because I feel like Brady was
listening, even though he wasn'ton the call when you and I were
talking, before the callstarted, benji, because we were
covering this.
So I'll start on this one.
I was telling him, you know,that I think trust is a big
thing and I was sharing withBenji that.
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That's one of the things I'mtrying to work through now in my
position is trying to make surethat people on the team trust
me, because I feel like I'm oneof the only ones that doesn't
have tenure, not in a negativeway.
But a lot of these people thatare part of our team at the
church have been there.
They've put in the serve hoursright, they've put in being
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there at all the events anddoing all these things before
being on staff, and so they'vedone all these things.
So I feel like sometimes Idon't want to say I feel like
I'm an outsider.
I want to be very carefulbecause I want to honor the time
that they put in, but I need toearn their trust and it's like
there's things that I want to goahead and do now and push the
ball down the court, but I needto realize that I need to take a
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moment and and slow down beforeI do that and a lot of that,
honestly, I told benji is out offear.
Like I, I don't want to.
I don't want to I don't want tohave conflict, like I don't want
to walk in and say, hey, wereally need to be doing this,
and you know, honestly, out offear that I'm gonna make make
someone upset and so but becauseof that, I feel like it's
keeping me from having thatabundancy to kind of fix those
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things.
I'm not taking a risk, right,like I'm not embracing a risk to
say, hey, you could have theconversation, it can go left or
it can go right, but I need tojust take the risk and have that
conversation, or maybe thischange will never occur, right?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I love the trust analogy because you know
we talked about that at ourstrategic planning what back
December of 2023, whatever itwas and that was the foundation
of how are we going to take ourcompany to the next level.
We have to build trust witheach other inside Brady, and I
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mean, obviously we've beenbrothers since forever ago, um,
but you know the 20, 20 years Imean 20 years ago I mean forever
ago, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean it feels like forever today.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So it's, it's okay.
Um, but you know, 20 years agowhen we got in the business, we
were just trying to figure outwhat the business was about, you
know, and then we got put intoleadership roles to help take it
to the next level.
Brady and I had to trust eachother, on the marketing side and
the operations side, that wewere going to both do our role
well, and there was some battlesearly in the game.
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Today we look back and we goman, how dumb was that.
You know, look, because thescarcity mindset, looking in the
rear view mirror, goes whatcould we have done if we had
have worked with each other?
You know, 20 years ago, whencould we be today?
Today, it's like man, it's likewe're not oil and water, we're
like water and water, togethermoving in the same direction to
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help our team get where we wantto go.
And that's the trust factorthat you have, even in family
businesses.
For those listening, you knowyou have to trust your business
partner, especially if they'refamily, because you don't want
to take that stuff to theThanksgiving dinner.
It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, even for our listeners, you know that may be,
also whether they're businessowners or especially those that
you know are also in the CERBPro industry.
I mean, even our team that'svery successful and the things
we've done aren't without that.
I mean, you know, it's one ofthose things.
It's like on the outside you'relike, oh, they got it all
together.
They do, you know, they'regreat, they're top 10.
They're doing this.
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It's not, and that's one of thethings that we dealt with this
year that even you, brady, hadto kind of coach and walk
through that, like we.
We admitted that we didn't havetrust in each other and we
thought it was there, like wealways thought, but until it was
verbalized, and we actuallyagain you're talking about
embracing if we're going toembrace the change, take the
risk, like you told us in someof those meetings, like, all
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right, you guys like say, saythe thing.
Like say the thing, don't takeoffense to it, say the thing and
let's deal with it.
But I trust, like we need,because there were conversations
that we need to have, like, hey, I don't feel like you're doing
this.
Or hey, you know, I feel likeyou see me in this light, but
really I'm doing this and youknow I even take that with
myself no-transcript, so I was.
(22:54):
But he was like I need you totrust what I'm doing and I need
to trust what you and your teamare doing, because without the
marketing we don't have jobscoming in Like we can't just
depend on it to happen and theyfind us.
So I just I love what youtalked about that Cause I don't
want people to think, well, theygot it all together.
It's, you know, it's.
There's things that every teamdeals with that they've got to
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do to get past that.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, and here, here's one of the biggest things
that I see, not only in ourteam, but I've seen it because
I've been a part of, you know,other organizations, nonprofits,
churches, you know whatever.
In every organization, thething that feeds the scarcity
mindset the most is politics.
(23:37):
Oh yeah, and politics I mean,like Adam, if you don't like, if
the team doesn't say it in themeeting and we're not, you know,
we're not trying to hurtfeelings.
you know we're trying we're,we're learning how to have good
conflict, but if you don't sayit in the meeting, as soon as a
meeting's done, somebody'swalking into somebody else's
office and saying hey, can youbelieve that, adam West?
(23:57):
You know he just whatever,whatever, whatever, and that
just starts to feed thatscarcity mindset, yeah, and so
you know, I think, yeah, it's a,it can be a cancer.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It can be a real cancer have been going through
with that and it was brought upto me.
You know we were talking aboutthat same thing, like you know,
having these things that wehandle and you know, is this
person doing that, is thisperson doing this and one of the
ways and it may be differentmaybe you can kind of speak to
this, brady, but I know it maybe different in the church world
(24:38):
compared to you know, like thecorporate world, but one of the
things that when we brought up,like having that, know like the
corporate world, but one of thethings that when we brought up,
like having that fear, like,well, you know, I know this
person handles that, you know,and one of our pastors was, like
Adam, no one person on our teamowns one thing.
Yes, you may, adam, you're oversocial media, you're handling
our digital marketing, you'rehandling things like our website
(24:59):
, you're handling our PR, ourbranding, our forward-facing,
but that doesn't mean that otherpeople on our team can't assist
with that.
At the end of the day, ourmission is to bring people to
Jesus and, like I said, that'swhere the difference between
church and corporate.
But that was one of the thingsthat one of the pastors said to
me like hey, say the thing,let's figure out how we can work
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as a team so we can get theball down the court.
But realize, not every like youmay work it like, for instance,
you may work in production, buthow can I help you like, how,
like from a digital standpoint,how can me listening to calls
help you understand what yourresponse, like your prior
responders, how they'reanswering phones, how they're
doing this work together as ateam and realize that you may be
(25:45):
over it, but it doesn'tnecessarily mean that you own
all of it.
We own the company as a wholeand we have that ownership to be
able to make that companysucceed.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, Well, I think and that's really good, I think
that we've talked about a lottoday.
So what?
What I, what I figured we coulddo, is like give some practical
steps, yeah, how do we so?
So how do we move out of that?
And this is not going to be anall-inclusive list, just some of
the things that and you're kindof peeking into the world of of
(26:19):
Benji and Brady and and ourorganization and how it looks.
But from that aspect of theleadership team and building
trust, one of the things thatwe've recently done I don't know
if you guys are familiar withEOS, but it's the
Entrepreneurial Operating System, but they have this workflow
(26:39):
called the IDS.
So when there's an issue, withthe challenge that comes up,
then what you do is I, youidentify the issue, d, you
discuss the issue and number andS you solve the issue.
And what we want to do is wewant to get to solving these
issues as a leadership team withthat trust.
Now, one of the one of thethings that can be involved in
that is you know, um, now, oneof the one of the things that
(27:01):
can be involved in that is youknow, discussing like you can
over discuss, right, and uh, Iremember our dad saying many,
many, many times he's like lookthere's an old Chinese proverb
that says when the horse is dead, dismount.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I've heard y'all say that so many times.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And so there's.
There's several times we haveto dismount.
But what we've done recentlywith our leadership team is
we've added one S in there.
Okay, so, adam, when you go backto ownership, so the leader,
what we've done is we've said,okay, these different aspects of
the business, there are peoplethat own that aspect of the
business but what we want to dois we want to give the
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leadership team the ability tospeak into that solve or what
the solution is.
So we still identify, we stilldiscuss, and the extra S that we
added in was the leadershipteam to give their suggestions.
And so what they'll do is theywill get to collaborate on hey,
(27:59):
here's what we think.
So they get their voices heard,they feel ownership in the
process, and then, whoever theowner is of that particular area
of the business, then it'stheir responsibility not only to
go out and solve it, but onceit has been solved now, it's
their responsibility to goimplement and execute that, and
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then it's on them.
So I think that's one practicalway, just what we've done.
And also, this is a tough onefor some people, but sometimes
in meetings we have to learn tocontrol our emotions.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I feel like, I 100% feel.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Listen, I was not looking at you, I promise.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
For our listeners watching on YouTube.
You're staring at me becausethis is my weakness, 100% my
weakness, y'all got to go checkYouTube out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I will say this that, Brady, that's a great point,
because a lot of times, I thinkthat leadership teams,
especially the owner of abusiness, get scared no pun
intended to do a leadership teammeeting because they're
concerned about what everybodyelse is going to say, how
they're going to react.
And the truth of the matter is,if you set boundaries around,
(29:12):
look, this is not pointing anyspecific person or teammate out.
What this is designed to do isto work together.
We're going to give you aplatform to be able to
collaborate together.
Everyone gets a stake in thegame.
And then someone usually theowner of the company gets the
final say that, okay, we'veheard you, We've listened, We've
(29:34):
observed, We've watched, You'vegiven us your feedback.
Now it's on me, my onus Bradyand I, to say we're going to do
it this way.
And when we do that, we have toalways make sure, when we walk
out that door, we're all movingin the same direction.
I think that's a lot of timeswhy, honestly, leaders, managers
, owners don't do team meetings.
(29:56):
Now, the problem with not doingteam meetings is, I don't guess
it's really a problem, butsometimes we make them last
longer than they should.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know let's get to the point let's work through
the situation.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So that's a great point you brought up.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So I mean I'll go ahead Adam.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I was just going to say I agree.
That's something that I'vealways have to keep at the
forefront of my mind because I Imean I am an emotional person.
We've had many discussionsabout this I know it's shocking.
My wife's probably listening inthe car when she listens to this
and will be laughing, because Iam an emotional person, and
it's not just with business,it's with my kids, it's with
(30:34):
anything.
But you're just talking aboutbeing on that same page and
reminding yourself hey, we'reall on the same path.
Yep, it's okay to thinkdifferently, it's okay to.
It's okay to disagree, it'sokay.
Nothing that's so good, nothinghappens, right like you should
not be offended because someonedisagrees with you, like at the
(30:57):
end of the day, honestly,nothing happens when you're
offended.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's a personal feeling and so that's something
that all scarcity mindsetbecause you're afraid of what,
the what you're.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Honestly, I feel like you're afraid of the situation
because somebody thinksdifferently than you, but I just
I love that you're you're.
You're saying that because Ihonestly, I mean, as I think
about it now, even in thismoment, like scarcity you have
emotional responses is ascarcity mindset.
It is Because I emotionallyresponding to things, because
(31:29):
I'm probably in fear of how am Isupposed to feel this way.
Is you know?
Should I change the way I feel?
So I think that's somethingyou're just talking about
practical steps.
I think sometimes it's justbeing self-aware is a great
practical step.
Being self-aware if you need towrite it down on something, if
you need to put it on the youknow, take your family off your
(31:51):
you know, off your cover of yourphone, put something like that.
So when you stare at it or putit on your computer, whatever,
put it in a constant reminder,put it somewhere where you see
it.
So I thought that was great,that was really good.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So, just as we kind of wrap up today, I'll give a
few, just rapid fire, and we'vealready talked about this.
But going back to the beginning, what John Maxwell said was he
said the remedy for this isfocus.
So what should we be focused on?
So I'll just go real quick.
We talked about focus oncontrolling our emotions.
We talked about that.
Focus on building unity withyour team instead of engaging in
(32:28):
gossip and slander.
And we didn't.
We don't have time to to unpackthat today, but I'll just I'll
just leave that one out.
There's a little softball foryou guys to research later.
Um, you know, focus on tryingnot to be so political.
There's politics everywhere inbusiness and life and
relationships, and so so that'strying not to be so political.
There's politics everywhere inbusiness and life and
relationships.
So that's what not to focus on.
(32:48):
What to focus on is focus onappreciating people.
You know that's a big thingwhen you say something good, and
that's something I'm not thegreatest at is encouraging
people.
I'm trying to learn that.
Focus on seeing opportunities.
You know we talked about seeingthe opportunity instead of the
fear of, of of what's out there,and then try to focus on
(33:10):
overcoming the fear of thefuture Cause we don't know what
the future holds, but if wereally trust God and what he has
in store for us, then, uh, that, then that's all we need.
And the last last, then that'sall we need.
And the last but not least, Ithink this is just huge and a
great way to end this.
Um, but how how much are weactually giving?
(33:30):
And I'm not talking about moneyor time, but just our attention
.
You know we last episode wetalked about listening.
You know, we got two ears andone mouth.
We should listen twice as muchas we speak, you know.
But how much are we giving?
The more we pour into otherpeople and that's what we're
trying to do with this podcastthe more we give, the the.
(33:50):
I mean, it is kind of a.
It seems like a selfish thing,but you, you do feel better, you
are giving back, but what itdoes is it takes the focus off
of you onto somebody else, andthat is having a, a higher up
mindset.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'll say this, brady, to wrap Um, we, we talk about
this, we get, we have a fear ofwhat the future holds, but if we
have the abundance mindset, weknow who holds the future and
that that, honestly, is what wehave to focus on.
We want to encourage you,listeners, that, honestly, is
what we have to focus on.
We want to encourage you,listeners, have an abundant,
(34:28):
have an abundance mindset.
Utilize your team to go out andmake decisions to help you take
your company to the next level.
And if you do that, listen.
Well, honestly, brady and I havehad to learn this over the last
couple of years.
So it's not, we're not tellingyou anything we haven't done
ourselves.
You know.
Just note listen to your teamDoesn't mean that you're going
to agree with everything yourteam does and ultimately, you
have the final.
You know, say so as the owneror leader of that department,
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company, whatever.
But we just want to encourageyou, have an abundance mindset
and, at the end of the day,anything that you do, however
you do it, you can honestlychoose to go live a higher up
life.
Thank you guys for listeningand don't forget to connect on
all our social platforms.
Appreciate all you guyslistening.
all right, benji brady, welcome in to episode 15,
season 2, episode 5.
So we're back again for anotherepisode.
Glad to see you guys, oh yeahgood to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Really cool man we're uh, the big one, five, I guess.
Is that a milestone?
Maybe it's not a mile, it'sgetting there we're, we're
getting to that point.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're almost, almost to 20.
That's a milestone.
That, uh, that I keep seeing,like how do we get to 20?
So that's awesome, as we'regetting there quick, nice, but,
um, but hey guys, I'm excitedwe've got got a good episode for
you today.
This is a good one because thisis one of Brady's topics.
Oh yeah, this is something youmessaged Benji and I about and
said, hey guys, can we coverthis?
(00:53):
And I was like, yes, we can.
So we're going to be talkingabout abundance mindset and so
take a second break.
Explain maybe what that is whyyou feel like this is an
important topic to cover for ourlisteners.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Where did this come from?
Yeah, so I mean, I listen to alot of podcasts, read a lot of
books and a lot of people havejust been talking through like,
what is having an abundancemindset versus a scarcity
mindset?
We live in a world, in life, inbusiness, in everything that we
do, it is so easy to live outof fear Fear of the unknown,
(01:38):
fear of missing out, fear of X,Y, Z, you know.
And so how do we come out ofthat?
Because there there's a lot ofscientific facts that are out
there that you know just fearand anxiety and all these things
, what it can do, even just toyour, not only your mental state
, but what it can do to yourphysical body and um, and so
(02:01):
that I just felt like it wasgood to talk about.
I mean, obviously, this is, youknow, hire a podcast, how to
lead better, but I think it's agood subject just to talk about
in our personal walk as well.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, I kind of look at it, brady, when I saw the
topic.
You know is abundance scarcity.
I love the analogy you justused.
A lot of people do live out offear.
I mean I would bet most peoplethink of that from some point or
another.
You know it's just a humannature.
But you could almost compare itto um glass half full, glass
half empty.
(02:34):
You know, abundance abundancewould be the glass half full.
Um half empty would be thescarcity mindset.
So I'm excited to talk aboutthis today and see where, see
where it ends up.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, well, and you know, even from a, even from a
spiritual perspective and thisis this is like me talking to
myself right now Right, but ifwe are living out of fear, do we
really trust that the Lord isgoing to take care of whatever
needs to be taken care of, or soare we putting him in control?
Are we trying to be taken careof?
So are we putting him incontrol, or are we trying to be
(03:07):
in control of the situation?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So, that's tough to hear.
Well, I think, culturally, wealways want to be in control, I
think, whether that's really ourfinances, our family, our jobs.
I think sometimes it's verytough to put those things aside.
I mean, before you hopped on,benji and I were just chatting
(03:29):
and that's one of the things Iwas telling him that I'm
personally dealing with, likebeing in control of things and
knowing that I have a lane, andmaybe that's the lane that I
need to be in and say that that,hey, you know, you two tell us
all the time, control what youcan control.
That's something I'm trying toteach my own kids Like, hey, you
can't control these things, youcan't deal with these, but you
(03:50):
can deal with it, but you can'tcontrol it.
And so that's something thatI'm looking at too right now,
cause I mean it stresses me outwhen I can't make these changes,
it frust, frustrates me becauseI see the potential and what we
can be doing versus what we'renot doing.
And so I feel like a lot oftimes that's where I mean, I
feel like I constantly I'mtalking to myself too.
(04:11):
That's where I'm always at.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, truly living by faith is what you're devoted to
, truly living by faith.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So just to just to maybe kind of set this up a
little bit, I mean, you guysknow, if you've been listening
for any length of time, that weare John Maxwell fans and you
know John Maxwell actually he'sgot a leadership podcast too,
and a few episodes ago heactually talked about this.
But he talks a lot about focus,okay, and what he says is what
(04:47):
we focus on really expands.
All right.
So let's think about this aminute.
If we focus on scarcity, what'sgoing to expand our scarcity?
And it keeps getting worse andworse and worse and worse and
worse.
So if we take the oppositeapproach and we focus on an
abundance mindset, then weunlock new possibilities.
We unlock new growthopportunities and really I think
(05:09):
at the core now Adam, you'reprobably more of this than Benji
and I are but at the core ofwho we are, we're creative
beings.
So it unlocks a creativity withhaving an abundance mindset.
So it's a shift.
It's hard and I was also kindof thinking of it from a
biblical perspective and youguys probably know this verse,
(05:32):
but Philippians 4.19,.
It says and my God will supplyevery need of yours according to
his riches in glory in ChristJesus.
So again going back to what dowe really trust in?
Who do we really trust in?
Are we trusting ourself or arewe trusting in the Lord?
So I want to ask you guys acouple of questions this morning
.
I'm going to kind of flip thescript back on you a little bit,
(05:53):
but what do you, I guess?
First off, let's talk aboutpersonal stuff.
So what do you guys think like?
How does this live out in ourpersonal life, having an
abundancy mindset versus ascarcity mindset?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Hey, I'll say this first uh, adam Brady's getting
good at this, he's getting.
At first he was like I don't, Idon't know if I can do this.
Yeah, you could do this.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You said it, I think our, I think the reason we got
all these views and listens isnot you and I.
They're like huh Brady's on.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
So I didn't mean to Brady, ask your question one
more time.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So what is kind of the abundancy mindset versus the
scarcity?
Let's talk about our personallife first.
Yeah, our personal perspective,like how do you guys think it
lives out in our personal walk,and then we'll talk about
business.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean from a personal perspective.
Like I said earlier, I thinkwe're all guilty at some point
of we we say we've said all thetime you know, live in faith,
live, live with faith, havefaith, have faith.
But then it comes down and youget those challenges in life and
you go oh, now I got to reallypractice what I preach.
So that's where the scarcitymindset comes in.
(07:04):
So, from a personal perspective, I think that could it be in
your financial situation, right?
I mean you see the bank accountstart coming down and you go
okay, paychecks coming Friday,paychecks coming Friday.
What am I going to do?
Whether you own a business,whether you're an employee, it
doesn't matter, right?
We all have the same mentality,especially a business owner.
(07:26):
I mean, think about thisChecking accounts, getting the
blacks coming down, I don't wantto get in the red.
Is that check for that jobcoming in, or is that check for
that service that I providedcoming in?
So that's where the scarcitymindset comes in.
The abundance mindset comes in.
That I mean we all have that.
You have an influx in yourbusiness and maybe in your
(07:46):
personal life.
You have an influx of incomecome in, and what do we all do.
First thing we think about mostpeople let's go spend the money
.
Right, I got to have that, Igot to do this, I got to do that
.
So I think it can go both ways.
We all have those mountains andvalleys in life, and that's
just my perspective, adam.
(08:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't know if we have enough time on the episode
to divulge into this.
For me, this is a big one,cause, um, man, I, I feel like I
live in that scarcity,especially uh, recently, you
know, we talked about in thefirst episode of the season, you
know, I, I changed positions.
Um, that was one of the biggestthings for me.
(08:31):
That was hard because I'm likethere's a lot of comfort and
there was a lot of I felt like Ihad a purpose.
Not that I don't know where Iwas, but being at Serpro and
being on Team Wilson, I feltlike everything was in line, I
felt good, I felt like I hadstability, but I still didn't
feel like I was doing what Godhad called me to do and I felt
(08:52):
like there needed to be a change.
But I knew one of the thingsthat I talked with Emily before
we decided to do it.
I was like, babe, do I have thecapacity to be creative full
time, Like I've been able to doit at Serpro, but then I've also
was handling, you know, officework.
I was handling management,managing teams.
(09:12):
I was, you know, doing thingsfrom a desk that need to be done
analyzing data.
You know, mining data, likethese are things that sometimes
you don't have to be done.
Analyzing data, mining datathese are things that sometimes
you don't have to be creative of.
You're looking for these things.
And so I feel like, even now,with the position I'm in at the
church, I constantly live in ascarcity mindset and I know
(09:32):
that's something that needs tochange for me, because I feel
like I constantly am like I haveimposter syndrome.
I've always had impostersyndrome.
Am I good enough?
I have imposter syndrome.
I've always had impostersyndrome.
Am I good enough?
I think social media plays abig factor into that.
I think I have a terrible habitof doom scrolling because
there's a twofold.
I use social media as a way togive me ideas on how I could do
something similar, whether it'spersonally, for a client, for
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the church.
So I look at all these thingsand I constantly am like I'm not
.
I'm not that great.
I see that and I always feelawkward because people
compliment me a lot and I alwaysjokingly say it feels like
Talladega Nights, where it'slike he's being interviewed and
he keeps putting his hands up.
I don't know what to say whenpeople compliment me, but I feel
like for me, that's where I'vegot to get out of that.
(10:17):
I've got to get into thatmindset of abundancy to say, all
right, I have the ability to dothis.
God, you've given me thisability.
This is where you're talkingabout having faith in Him, faith
not just with my business, butpersonally.
I've got to remember that thisposition that I'm in it wasn't a
(10:37):
happenstance, that thisposition that I'm in it wasn't a
happenstance.
He put me in a relationship withthe two of you that allowed me
to grow and be creative, becausethe two of you allowed that.
I had the relationship with thepastors at the church I'm at
now that allowed them to see hey, we feel like there's a need on
our team that you could fill,and so even in those moments, I
feel like I've got to find a wayto get it, cause I'm in that
(10:59):
scarcity mindset right now.
I know I'm not in thatabundance mindset and you're
talking about being personal.
That's this is very real Like Ifeel like every day, even right
now we're working on likeChristmas stuff, and I'm like I
told him the other day I waslike guys, like I got to up this
hire, this guy can't even doour first big Christmas project.
(11:19):
But yes, I think that'simportant, because when I'm
sitting in that I feel like ithinders me.
I feel like I'm stuck becauseI've got to find a way.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know what's interesting about that, Adam, I
didn't even think about thisuntil just now, but you kind of
mentioned in there.
I wonder, how often do weactually look backwards?
Okay, so, we're constantlooking forward, which it's good
, but how are we reflecting onthe past and using it to see how
(11:51):
we need to go forward?
So a lot of times, you know, inour organization, we use the
analogy of, you know, thewindshield versus the rear view
mirror.
Okay, so, the rear view mirror,the windshield there's a reason
why it's bigger than the rearview mirror is because that's
where we need to be lookingRight.
But occasionally you need tolook in the rear view mirror so
you can see where you came from,what obstacles that you were
(12:13):
able to overcome.
And so I think, in um, in thisparticular instance, when we
kind of get in that scarcitymindset is from a personal
perspective look back and seewhere you start reflecting on
hey, man, the Lord worked inthat scenario.
The Lord worked in thatrelationship.
(12:33):
The Lord worked in thatsituation.
I didn't know how he was goingto do it.
I remember how scared I was.
I remember, you know, I canremember specific things in my
life.
You know that I was reallyfearful and really scared.
I didn't know how it was goingto work out, and God just worked
it out.
So how often do we actuallylook backwards and reflect?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
on that, looking backwards, too, brady, in the
rearview mirror, I mean, it alsocould be a perspective that
you're keeping your eye, whichwhich, by the way, keep your
eyes on the road.
Let's be honest.
Yeah, absolutely, it's just,it's a glance, you know, yeah,
but if you, if you keep, if youdo look in the rear view mirror.
Sometimes, I think, from ascarcity mindset, we're afraid
(13:14):
that someone's going to pass us,that whatever, whatever that
may be right You're driving downthe road and I know I'm using
the word scared someone's goingto pass us.
But think about it.
I mean, you see that person.
You're always keeping your eyeson you know, your head on a
swivel, looking out thewindshield, keeping back what's
behind you, because as you drive, you got to be defensive, right
, and I think the abundancemindset keeps us moving forward
(13:38):
while in the same time, keepingperspective on what's behind us
so that we can keep our focusmoving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's so funny that you put it that way, brady,
because I just had aconversation with a buddy, like
two days ago, and we weretalking about something and you
know, I was like man I mean, mypictures have not been anywhere
near as good as they used to be.
I have trouble.
It's just a different setup.
(14:05):
It's a whole different church,it's a different setup and I was
like man, I'm not where Ishould be.
And it's just funny because theindividual mentioned the exact
same thing.
He was like dude, think aboutwhat you did before and think
about those things that you didand how you made it work.
(14:26):
Like how it through all thetrials and tribulations and you
know issues with with people andlighting and this.
And he was like but you made itwork and you grew what we had.
He was like you're in a newsituation, look, you're not
going to walk in and knock itout of the park, like you got to
figure it out.
And so he was like that'ssomething just to always be
(14:46):
mindful.
You mentioned that and that'sexactly what he said the other
day.
He's like look at what you goback and look at the pictures
you took when you first startedand look at where they are now,
yeah, and you got other peoplelooking at them going.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to be that guy , I want to do what he's doing?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know about that.
I laugh because, man, I'm in acoaching course with some guys.
I'm in this course called HappyCreative and man, there's some
guys that I feel like are legitand I'm like, what am I doing
sitting here with these fellows?
They are phenomenal.
But and I'm like, what am Idoing sitting here with these
fellas?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
They are phenomenal, but yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's part of where and man remember some of the
videos we did when we firststarted, how bad they were.
I found the very first video weever filmed the other day.
Benji, I was looking forsomething.
It was some video we filmedbecause there was a massive
rainstorm.
We had that ridiculous closetthat we put up a big green cloth
because you're a green screenperson.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Ridiculous closet that we put up a big green cloth
because you're a green screenperson and, oh yeah, you had a
lot more hair than you do now.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
And so, and we were, and we sent it to all the agents
, we were like, hey, we're here,we're ready.
And I was like yo, this looksterrible hey, it was good for
back then you might have the tvpicture there with the little
video that.
That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Oh man, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We were so excited.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So how do you understand what even the
scarcity mindset is?
What does that mean to someone?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think it's just a basic understanding of you're
living in fear.
You're living in fear of what'sto come, or the element of the
unknown.
I think I see that in a lot ofpeople we don't know how this
thing is going to work out.
We don't know if we're going tobe able to do that.
You know, and even justrecently, the other day, I was
(16:31):
having a conversation with and Iwant to get into the business
aspect of it, but I was having aconversation with one of our
teammates, one of our leaders.
He's like well we gotta, wegotta solve for this.
You know what about 10 years,15 years?
And I said, well, I mean it'sgood to look, you know, through
the lens of that but, we gotissues that we need to solve,
like right now.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Now, in the moment, we need to solve.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we focus on solvingfor today?
We need to solve.
Why don't we do this?
Why don't we focus on solvingfor today and then we can plan
for tomorrow?
You know, you know we don'tnecessarily have a crystal ball
to know what's going to happen,but we know that there's issues
that that need to be done andprepared for right now.
Let's, let's do that.
So one thing I want to kind ofshift gears a little bit is more
(17:18):
of the abundance versusscarcity mindset.
If you guys are listening tothis and you're a leader, that
means you're leading teams I'msure Adam will be able to speak
to this, you know because he wasa part of our leadership team.
But how do we see this playingout within a team of people?
And it's very tough because andI wrote a couple of things down
(17:40):
We've talked about it a lot andI don't know that we have fully
figured this out yet but havinga level of trust amongst your
leadership team, because ifthere's a scarcity mindset, then
you are just not going to trustpeople the way that you should
and really trust is thefoundation of everything in the
(18:03):
business world.
As far as your leadership teamor the people that you're
leading every day.
So maybe speak to that a littlebit.
I mean, what do you?
I know you got some thoughts onthat.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Adam, I'm laughing because I feel like Brady was
listening, even though he wasn'ton the call when you and I were
talking, before the callstarted, benji, because we were
covering this.
So I'll start on this one.
I was telling him, you know,that I think trust is a big
thing and I was sharing withBenji that.
(18:34):
That's one of the things I'mtrying to work through now in my
position is trying to make surethat people on the team trust
me, because I feel like I'm oneof the only ones that doesn't
have tenure, not in a negativeway.
But a lot of these people thatare part of our team at the
church have been there.
They've put in the serve hoursright, they've put in being
(18:55):
there at all the events anddoing all these things before
being on staff, and so they'vedone all these things.
So I feel like sometimes Idon't want to say I feel like
I'm an outsider.
I want to be very carefulbecause I want to honor the time
that they put in, but I need toearn their trust and it's like
there's things that I want to goahead and do now and push the
ball down the court, but I needto realize that I need to take a
(19:21):
moment and and slow down beforeI do that and a lot of that,
honestly, I told benji is out offear.
Like I, I don't want to.
I don't want to I don't want tohave conflict, like I don't want
to walk in and say, hey, wereally need to be doing this,
and you know, honestly, out offear that I'm gonna make make
someone upset and so but becauseof that, I feel like it's
keeping me from having thatabundancy to kind of fix those
(19:45):
things.
I'm not taking a risk, right,like I'm not embracing a risk to
say, hey, you could have theconversation, it can go left or
it can go right, but I need tojust take the risk and have that
conversation, or maybe thischange will never occur, right?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I love the trust analogy because you know
we talked about that at ourstrategic planning what back
December of 2023, whatever itwas and that was the foundation
of how are we going to take ourcompany to the next level.
We have to build trust witheach other inside Brady, and I
(20:21):
mean, obviously we've beenbrothers since forever ago, um,
but you know the 20, 20 years Imean 20 years ago I mean forever
ago, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean it feels like forever today.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So it's, it's okay.
Um, but you know, 20 years agowhen we got in the business, we
were just trying to figure outwhat the business was about, you
know, and then we got put intoleadership roles to help take it
to the next level.
Brady and I had to trust eachother, on the marketing side and
the operations side, that wewere going to both do our role
well, and there was some battlesearly in the game.
(20:54):
Today we look back and we goman, how dumb was that.
You know, look, because thescarcity mindset, looking in the
rear view mirror, goes whatcould we have done if we had
have worked with each other?
You know, 20 years ago, whencould we be today?
Today, it's like man, it's likewe're not oil and water, we're
like water and water, togethermoving in the same direction to
(21:15):
help our team get where we wantto go.
And that's the trust factorthat you have, even in family
businesses.
For those listening, you knowyou have to trust your business
partner, especially if they'refamily, because you don't want
to take that stuff to theThanksgiving dinner.
It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, even for our listeners, you know that may be,
also whether they're businessowners or especially those that
you know are also in the CERBPro industry.
I mean, even our team that'svery successful and the things
we've done aren't without that.
I mean, you know, it's one ofthose things.
It's like on the outside you'relike, oh, they got it all
together.
They do, you know, they'regreat, they're top 10.
They're doing this.
(21:53):
It's not, and that's one of thethings that we dealt with this
year that even you, brady, hadto kind of coach and walk
through that, like we.
We admitted that we didn't havetrust in each other and we
thought it was there, like wealways thought, but until it was
verbalized, and we actuallyagain you're talking about
embracing if we're going toembrace the change, take the
risk, like you told us in someof those meetings, like, all
(22:15):
right, you guys like say, saythe thing.
Like say the thing, don't takeoffense to it, say the thing and
let's deal with it.
But I trust, like we need,because there were conversations
that we need to have, like, hey, I don't feel like you're doing
this.
Or hey, you know, I feel likeyou see me in this light, but
really I'm doing this and youknow I even take that with
myself no-transcript, so I was.
(22:54):
But he was like I need you totrust what I'm doing and I need
to trust what you and your teamare doing, because without the
marketing we don't have jobscoming in Like we can't just
depend on it to happen and theyfind us.
So I just I love what youtalked about that Cause I don't
want people to think, well, theygot it all together.
It's, you know, it's.
There's things that every teamdeals with that they've got to
(23:15):
do to get past that.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, and here, here's one of the biggest things
that I see, not only in ourteam, but I've seen it because
I've been a part of, you know,other organizations, nonprofits,
churches, you know whatever.
In every organization, thething that feeds the scarcity
mindset the most is politics.
(23:37):
Oh yeah, and politics I mean,like Adam, if you don't like, if
the team doesn't say it in themeeting and we're not, you know,
we're not trying to hurtfeelings.
you know we're trying we're,we're learning how to have good
conflict, but if you don't sayit in the meeting, as soon as a
meeting's done, somebody'swalking into somebody else's
office and saying hey, can youbelieve that, adam West?
(23:57):
You know he just whatever,whatever, whatever, and that
just starts to feed thatscarcity mindset, yeah, and so
you know, I think, yeah, it's a,it can be a cancer.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
It can be a real cancer have been going through
with that and it was brought upto me.
You know we were talking aboutthat same thing, like you know,
having these things that wehandle and you know, is this
person doing that, is thisperson doing this and one of the
ways and it may be differentmaybe you can kind of speak to
this, brady, but I know it maybe different in the church world
(24:38):
compared to you know, like thecorporate world, but one of the
things that when we brought up,like having that, know like the
corporate world, but one of thethings that when we brought up,
like having that fear, like,well, you know, I know this
person handles that, you know,and one of our pastors was, like
Adam, no one person on our teamowns one thing.
Yes, you may, adam, you're oversocial media, you're handling
our digital marketing, you'rehandling things like our website
(24:59):
, you're handling our PR, ourbranding, our forward-facing,
but that doesn't mean that otherpeople on our team can't assist
with that.
At the end of the day, ourmission is to bring people to
Jesus and, like I said, that'swhere the difference between
church and corporate.
But that was one of the thingsthat one of the pastors said to
me like hey, say the thing,let's figure out how we can work
(25:23):
as a team so we can get theball down the court.
But realize, not every like youmay work it like, for instance,
you may work in production, buthow can I help you like, how,
like from a digital standpoint,how can me listening to calls
help you understand what yourresponse, like your prior
responders, how they'reanswering phones, how they're
doing this work together as ateam and realize that you may be
(25:45):
over it, but it doesn'tnecessarily mean that you own
all of it.
We own the company as a wholeand we have that ownership to be
able to make that companysucceed.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, Well, I think and that's really good, I think
that we've talked about a lottoday.
So what?
What I, what I figured we coulddo, is like give some practical
steps, yeah, how do we so?
So how do we move out of that?
And this is not going to be anall-inclusive list, just some of
the things that and you're kindof peeking into the world of of
(26:19):
Benji and Brady and and ourorganization and how it looks.
But from that aspect of theleadership team and building
trust, one of the things thatwe've recently done I don't know
if you guys are familiar withEOS, but it's the
Entrepreneurial Operating System, but they have this workflow
(26:39):
called the IDS.
So when there's an issue, withthe challenge that comes up,
then what you do is I, youidentify the issue, d, you
discuss the issue and number andS you solve the issue.
And what we want to do is wewant to get to solving these
issues as a leadership team withthat trust.
Now, one of the one of thethings that can be involved in
that is you know, um, now, oneof the one of the things that
(27:01):
can be involved in that is youknow, discussing like you can
over discuss, right, and uh, Iremember our dad saying many,
many, many times he's like lookthere's an old Chinese proverb
that says when the horse is dead, dismount.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I've heard y'all say that so many times.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And so there's.
There's several times we haveto dismount.
But what we've done recentlywith our leadership team is
we've added one S in there.
Okay, so, adam, when you go backto ownership, so the leader,
what we've done is we've said,okay, these different aspects of
the business, there are peoplethat own that aspect of the
business but what we want to dois we want to give the
(27:39):
leadership team the ability tospeak into that solve or what
the solution is.
So we still identify, we stilldiscuss, and the extra S that we
added in was the leadershipteam to give their suggestions.
And so what they'll do is theywill get to collaborate on hey,
(27:59):
here's what we think.
So they get their voices heard,they feel ownership in the
process, and then, whoever theowner is of that particular area
of the business, then it'stheir responsibility not only to
go out and solve it, but onceit has been solved now, it's
their responsibility to goimplement and execute that, and
(28:20):
then it's on them.
So I think that's one practicalway, just what we've done.
And also, this is a tough onefor some people, but sometimes
in meetings we have to learn tocontrol our emotions.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I feel like, I 100% feel.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Listen, I was not looking at you, I promise.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
For our listeners watching on YouTube.
You're staring at me becausethis is my weakness, 100% my
weakness, y'all got to go checkYouTube out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I will say this that, Brady, that's a great point,
because a lot of times, I thinkthat leadership teams,
especially the owner of abusiness, get scared no pun
intended to do a leadership teammeeting because they're
concerned about what everybodyelse is going to say, how
they're going to react.
And the truth of the matter is,if you set boundaries around,
(29:12):
look, this is not pointing anyspecific person or teammate out.
What this is designed to do isto work together.
We're going to give you aplatform to be able to
collaborate together.
Everyone gets a stake in thegame.
And then someone usually theowner of the company gets the
final say that, okay, we'veheard you, We've listened, We've
(29:34):
observed, We've watched, You'vegiven us your feedback.
Now it's on me, my onus Bradyand I, to say we're going to do
it this way.
And when we do that, we have toalways make sure, when we walk
out that door, we're all movingin the same direction.
I think that's a lot of timeswhy, honestly, leaders, managers
, owners don't do team meetings.
(29:56):
Now, the problem with not doingteam meetings is, I don't guess
it's really a problem, butsometimes we make them last
longer than they should.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know let's get to the point let's work through
the situation.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So that's a great point you brought up.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So I mean I'll go ahead Adam.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I was just going to say I agree.
That's something that I'vealways have to keep at the
forefront of my mind because I Imean I am an emotional person.
We've had many discussionsabout this I know it's shocking.
My wife's probably listening inthe car when she listens to this
and will be laughing, because Iam an emotional person, and
it's not just with business,it's with my kids, it's with
(30:34):
anything.
But you're just talking aboutbeing on that same page and
reminding yourself hey, we'reall on the same path.
Yep, it's okay to thinkdifferently, it's okay to.
It's okay to disagree, it'sokay.
Nothing that's so good, nothinghappens, right like you should
not be offended because someonedisagrees with you, like at the
(30:57):
end of the day, honestly,nothing happens when you're
offended.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's a personal feeling and so that's something
that all scarcity mindsetbecause you're afraid of what,
the what you're.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Honestly, I feel like you're afraid of the situation
because somebody thinksdifferently than you, but I just
I love that you're you're.
You're saying that because Ihonestly, I mean, as I think
about it now, even in thismoment, like scarcity you have
emotional responses is ascarcity mindset.
It is Because I emotionallyresponding to things, because
(31:29):
I'm probably in fear of how am Isupposed to feel this way.
Is you know?
Should I change the way I feel?
So I think that's somethingyou're just talking about
practical steps.
I think sometimes it's justbeing self-aware is a great
practical step.
Being self-aware if you need towrite it down on something, if
you need to put it on the youknow, take your family off your
(31:51):
you know, off your cover of yourphone, put something like that.
So when you stare at it or putit on your computer, whatever,
put it in a constant reminder,put it somewhere where you see
it.
So I thought that was great,that was really good.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So, just as we kind of wrap up today, I'll give a
few, just rapid fire, and we'vealready talked about this.
But going back to the beginning, what John Maxwell said was he
said the remedy for this isfocus.
So what should we be focused on?
So I'll just go real quick.
We talked about focus oncontrolling our emotions.
We talked about that.
Focus on building unity withyour team instead of engaging in
(32:28):
gossip and slander.
And we didn't.
We don't have time to to unpackthat today, but I'll just I'll
just leave that one out.
There's a little softball foryou guys to research later.
Um, you know, focus on tryingnot to be so political.
There's politics everywhere inbusiness and life and
relationships, and so so that'strying not to be so political.
There's politics everywhere inbusiness and life and
relationships.
So that's what not to focus on.
(32:48):
What to focus on is focus onappreciating people.
You know that's a big thingwhen you say something good, and
that's something I'm not thegreatest at is encouraging
people.
I'm trying to learn that.
Focus on seeing opportunities.
You know we talked about seeingthe opportunity instead of the
fear of, of of what's out there,and then try to focus on
(33:10):
overcoming the fear of thefuture Cause we don't know what
the future holds, but if wereally trust God and what he has
in store for us, then, uh, that, then that's all we need.
And the last last, then that'sall we need.
And the last but not least, Ithink this is just huge and a
great way to end this.
Um, but how how much are weactually giving?
(33:30):
And I'm not talking about moneyor time, but just our attention
.
You know we last episode wetalked about listening.
You know, we got two ears andone mouth.
We should listen twice as muchas we speak, you know.
But how much are we giving?
The more we pour into otherpeople and that's what we're
trying to do with this podcastthe more we give, the the.
(33:50):
I mean, it is kind of a.
It seems like a selfish thing,but you, you do feel better, you
are giving back, but what itdoes is it takes the focus off
of you onto somebody else, andthat is having a, a higher up
mindset.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'll say this, brady, to wrap Um, we, we talk about
this, we get, we have a fear ofwhat the future holds, but if we
have the abundance mindset, weknow who holds the future and
that that, honestly, is what wehave to focus on.
We want to encourage you,listeners, that, honestly, is
what we have to focus on.
We want to encourage you,listeners, have an abundant,
(34:28):
have an abundance mindset.
Utilize your team to go out andmake decisions to help you take
your company to the next level.
And if you do that, listen.
Well, honestly, brady and I havehad to learn this over the last
couple of years.
So it's not, we're not tellingyou anything we haven't done
ourselves.
You know.
Just note listen to your teamDoesn't mean that you're going
to agree with everything yourteam does and ultimately, you
have the final.
You know, say so as the owneror leader of that department,
(34:55):
company, whatever.
But we just want to encourageyou, have an abundance mindset
and, at the end of the day,anything that you do, however
you do it, you can honestlychoose to go live a higher up
life.
Thank you guys for listeningand don't forget to connect on
all our social platforms.
Appreciate all you guyslistening.
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