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June 6, 2025 75 mins

80% of South Africa's people own only 4% of the land. These are Black South Africans. In contrast, 75% of the land is privately owned by white South Africans, who comprise about 7% of the population. But apartheid ended in 1994. So why hasn't land been more equitably distributed since then?


In this interview, we discuss the following:

►How colonial era Christianity ended the fluidity of societal and power relations among Blacks in South Africa.

►How colonial-imposed land boundaries changed South Africa's culture and allegiances.

►Do white South Africans experience higher crime than Black South Africans?

►How English South Africans supported Afrikaners - their former enemies - and lifted them up in society so that together they could maintain white supremacy.

►Why do Indians of South Africa call themselves Black?

►What happened after the end of apartheid to South Africa's economy and race relations?

►Why did some historians claim that South Africa's decade of 1970s was lost to history?

►Why did it take so long for apartheid to end?

►How did corruption become so pervasive in South Africa?

►Is South Africa a failed state?


Read History Behind News blog post on South Africa.


🚩About My 175th Guest:

Dr. Daniel Magaziner is a professor at Yale University and the Director of Undergraduate Studies at the Department of History at Yale. He is a historian of 20th century Africa, and the author of several books, including the following:

The Law and the Prophets: Black Consciousness in South Africa, 1968 – 1977

The Art of Life in South Africa, and

Available Light: Omar Badsha and the Struggle to Change South Africa.


🚩Recommendations:

🎧S1E28: history of Ethiopia, Dr. Etana Dinka

🎧S3E28: history of Sudan, Dr. Christopher Tounsel


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