September 18, 2025 • 60 mins
In this powerful episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes Brooke Domek, Executive Director of Run Free, to share her testimony of transformation, calling, and leadership. From her radical salvation story to equipping churches through discipleship, executive coaching, and organizational strategy, Brooke speaks on building the local church, embracing hidden potential, and living out your God-given calling. This conversation is a must-listen for women in ministry, faith-based leaders, and anyone desiring clarity in their purpose.
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Websites - Run Free & brookedomek.com
Email - brooke@runfree.co
Resource Mentioned:
Sermon from Church of the City - Missional Formation | Vocational Mission
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
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ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Brooke Domek to theshow.
I am so excited to have herhere with us today.
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She is a mutual friend of adear friend, amy, and I'm so
thankful for the connection.
We had a chance to get to knoweach other recently and even
catch up a little bit thismorning, and I know that she's
going to bring so much goodnessto us today.
So, brooke, would you be opento sharing a little bit about
yourself before we get into yourstory?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I would absolutely love to Kristen.
Thank you so much for the warmintroduction and for this new,
blossoming friendship.
I'm always delighted to get tolink arms with a sister in
Christ and no doubt my friend.
You are a warrior, so I'm justhonored to be here.
Like you said, my name is Brookeand I am currently the
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executive director of anorganization called Run Free.
I am currently the executivedirector of an organization
called Run Free.
In that Run Free space, we havethe privilege of working with
churches and leaders who arebelievers.
Through our work, we dodiscipleship design, we do
executive coaching andorganizational strategies, so it
really is kind of a verycomprehensive shop, if you will,
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and I cannot imagine a greatermission to which we have been
called.
And the mission of Run Free isthat we help church teams to run
free into what Jesus hasstarted.
And so I have been a follower ofJesus as my Lord and Savior for
23 years, ironically enough,and yet not.
I've been married to my husbandfor 23 years.
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He was actually the one who ledme to faith.
We have two beautiful girls, Iwant to say Kristen, they're
little girls, but they're not.
My oldest is 18.
We will be taking her tocollege.
I'm at this podcast.
We'll be taking her next weekand youngest is 15.
That means that she's drivingbehind the wheel of a car and
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she's getting ready to start hersophomore year of high school.
So we are proud parents andjust delighted with what God's
doing in our lives this season.
So, yeah, a little bit about me.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So amazing and gosh, what a transitional season.
My boys are now 17 and 20, andmy son just wrapped up his first
year of college and it was sucha.
You know, you go back to therun free, right.
It's this paradigm shift withyour children to let them run
free, but it's hard, right.
How are you guys dealing withthat, Like how are things going?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know what Truly I feel like God has just
continued to open up our eyes.
We recognize the incredibleprivilege of stewarding these
two young ladies and prayingthat they will be God, honoring
people, loving, flourishinghumans in the world that will
make the difference to push awaythe darkness and to shine the
brightest light A little.
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I actually, as a mom, I get alittle emotional when I think
about it, because we're sostinking proud of these kids,
their fierce love for the Lordand really how they show up with
people in their own unique ways.
They're both very uniquelycalled and gifted, as we all are
, and in this season it's justanother reminder of the
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certainty of change, and changedoesn't necessarily have to be a
bad thing.
As a matter of fact, it's abeautiful thing to consider what
is God doing in the midst of it, what is he teaching me and how
is he calling us to respond?
So that's always just arecentering and grounding way to
kind of reflect and then lookfuture forward with our kids.
And when we ground notperfectly Kristen very much, so
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imperfectly it helps us toremember what God's up to and
what he's entrusted us with, andthat's a gift.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Amen.
I love how you just communicate.
You are so well-spoken and itjust hits me the way you just
shared that.
So, even over my own heart,could we go back a little bit?
23 years you said marriage andcoming to Christ.
Those are huge, amazing,impactful moments.
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Could you share a little bitabout what that looked like for
you?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, we all have fencepost moments in our lives, those
moments that mark us and changeus forever.
And this fence post momenthappened just over 23 years ago
at a baseball game.
My husband and I grew up inCharleston, south Carolina, and
we had a mutual friend.
She had invited me to thisbaseball game and also all of
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her other friends which he wasincluded in that circle, and so
what was really fascinatingabout that night as I was
imagining it was going to bejust this regular baseball game,
kind of goofing off in collegewith a bunch of friends and
making new friends Indeed, itwas some of those things, but
that didn't quite fullyencompass what I didn't realize
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at the time, what was coming.
And so when I met my husband hisname is Adrian he was quite the
gentleman and, I must say,quite good looking, and one of
the first things he shared withme, outside of his name, was a
little bit about himself, hisstory, and then he asked me if I
knew Jesus, a little bit abouthimself, his story, and then he
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asked me if I knew Jesus.
And to not be a follower, tonot be a regular attender of
anything affiliated with thechurch, whether it be, you know,
youth camps or church servicesor groups.
It kind of took me aback alittle bit and just to be very
honest with you and youraudience, kristen, my first
response was aren't you going tobuy me a beer first?
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Actually, he was very frank andvery candid and said as a
matter of fact no, I reallydon't know where you stand with
your faith.
And I very honestly shared withhim I didn't have a faith.
The little bit of faith that Iwitnessed, experienced growing
up, was full of hypocrisy in myoccurrence, and so I tried to
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steer clear of that as much aspossible, just not wanting to
fall into a religious way oftradition that I felt like was
not a real valid thing to beginwith, much less the brokenness
of the hypocrisy that Iexperienced.
And so this began a longfriendship between the two of us
where he would reallyintentionally disciple me.
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He invited me to church, hetaught me to read scripture, and
then he finally just asked meif I was ready and I said yes,
and so he prayed with me and wejust kind of began the journey,
deepening our friendship, butthen very quickly into courting
or dating, as you might say, andthen quickly from there, from
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the time we met, actually toknow, looking back, what babies
we were, but how God used theinnocence of His heart and my
openness to receive the gospel.
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Now, my openness, kristen mayhave been because of His good
looks but then quickly proceededto the goodness of Jesus.
But no matter what, jesus gotme there and that is the
foundation of who we areindividually and collectively in
our marriage and family today.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So beautiful and the fact that like has he shared?
I'm sure he shared with you,but like was he thinking that
there'd be long-term potentialwith you guys right when he
asked you that question?
Is that why he kind of dug inright away, you know?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
what.
He actually didn't tell me thatright away, but in the couple
of months to follow he said thathe knew that there was
something very different aboutme, that outside of just, you
know, easygoing conversation andboth of our love of sports
probably fueled that.
But I really think, you know,going into the next couple of
months he said he did want topursue a long-term relationship
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that would end in marriage, andagain for a girl in college.
I'm thinking, okay, I'm stilljust trying to grasp this idea
of Jesus and going to church.
What is all of this?
But there was just such thissimplicity to this conversation
and what God was doing in themidst of it.
It still overwhelms me to thinkabout what I left behind and
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laid down and what God then putin my hands.
And it's been a life full ofjust goodness, not without
hardship, certainly, but amarriage and two children and
ministry.
Impact and the reach of thelost and the things that we're
holding onto were so trite.
And when I laid that down again, what God put in my hands I
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could have never have imaginedor conceivably prayed for, but
that's just the God that weserve.
So prior to meeting him, likewhat, what was your thought
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process on where you were goingto be going in, pursuit of
always something that isstrategic and growth oriented.
And so in my mind I was notgoing to get married, came from
a broken home and I didn'treally want kids.
That was not something that Ihad ever really considered or
thought of, just really was kindof in pursuit of self and
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success and a ladder, and so Iwas doing a five-year program in
four years, going to schoolyear round and making the honors
list, graduated with honorsmagna cum laude, and just really
wanted to continue, just tobreak the glass ceilings, if you
will, and just to see how far Icould push myself really in the
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world of business.
So that was the current time ofpursuit and I would say second
to that was just really having agood time.
It was wherever the next goodtime was is where I was going to
show up at.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So you had a radical shift throughout that
discipleship through with Adrianwhich is incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It was a saw to Paul, at least in my experience.
In my experience as I readscripture, it really was this
Scales falling off all the same,and I can tell you that in 23
years of following the Lord,it's never been the same and
I've never looked back.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yes, amen.
Well, I share that with you.
I think that I don't know if Ishared that with you before, but
I tell people I'm like I had aSaul to Paul conversion, but
thankfully I didn't kill anybody.
You know, saul had someproblems in that respect, but he
had that quick conversion.
I like to say that it was likeit doesn't happen for everybody.
Where there is that quickconversion, where you're on
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mission, like you went onmission right away, I imagine so
, even though you were verydriven um back then, what did
that look like to take on thisshift into the?
The quote-unquote say Paulette,we'll call us Paulettes what
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was that like?
has the?
Did the drivenness remain?
What did that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
So the drivenness did remainand I would still say it's still
there today, but it was justthe focus and the ultimate
desire of my prize.
So you know scripture talksabout in the first Corinthians,
about running a race and and andrunning for the prize.
Right Through Paul's lettersand my prize had changed.
You know, my prize once upon atime was a title, and and lots
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of stuff and trips and basicallywhatever I wanted at the tip of
my fingers.
Um and the.
The prize changed from thestuff to the souls and very
quickly jumped into all thingschurch in a way where I just
wanted to pursue not justknowledge but practical ways of
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living this out.
I think that's something that Isubscribe to, is that I don't
just want to create my head fullof knowledge, but rather I
really want to put the wheels tothe ground and to live it out.
And if I only knew as muchscripture as I knew today, I
could live the rest of my lifeknowing how to live, how to
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honor God and what he's callingme to do.
I think oftentimes we miss theopportunity of actually doing
what Scripture says, versus justbeing semi-familiar with it or
just reading it at the facevalue of.
And so for me, I just went allin and we immediately began to
serve.
You know, my husband taught methe practice biblically of
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tithing, and not tithing fromnet, but tithing from gross.
So we immediately increasedtithing.
And not tithing from net, buttithing from gross.
So we immediately increasedtithes.
We began leading small groups,began serving in children's
ministry, began taking trips andreally began to consider what
does it mean to love ourneighbors as ourselves?
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So the beauty of being thechurch is that that happens the
other six days a week, right,not just me serving in
children's ministry, holdingbabies which I did for a long
time and attending service, butreally the other six days of the
week of how do I show up andhonor my boss in a way that
honors God?
How do I meet my coworkerswhere they are, when they're
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struggling, not to fix them withthe right Bible verse, but
rather just to ask questions andsit with them in it?
What does it mean to nowdisciple my children?
Because discipleship begins inthe home.
So it began this rapid, radicalpursuit of okay, I really want
to embrace God in everypotential facet of my being, of
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my soul and the way I live, so Iwould say my Enneagram 3-ness,
while I still have my shadows,certainly.
It just became this pinnacleNorth Star of okay, god, like
whatever you would want is whatI want and what you call me to
do.
It's that first annual prayerof speak Lord, your servants
listening, and I just reallywanted to honor him with that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, it servants listening, and I just really
wanted to honor him with that.
It's amazing, and you know onething that's kind of coming to
mind that I think many of uscollectively might have some
challenges, and is how do youknow what to say no to and how
do you know what to say yes toin ministry?
Because serving is amazing, butI think sometimes we can give
too much of ourselves andburnout.
(15:31):
Has that ever happened to youbefore?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh gosh, ministry will take all that.
You will give it, and notbecause it's on this vengeance
to take your soul, but ratherjust continue to push the
mission forward, to take yoursoul, but rather, just, you know
, continue to push the missionforward.
I do believe the best about thelocal church and the local
church is served by brokenpeople, imperfect people who are
in imperfect progress.
(15:54):
And so, yes, you know, over theyears I had to get really
really clear.
You know, we talk about thisidea of common calling, which is
what we see in Matthew 28 isthe great commission of going
out into all the world to makedisciples, but the uniqueness
and the design of each of us inour special calling and I think
church misses this specialcalling because there can be
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this scarcity we don't haveenough volunteers, we don't have
enough money, our budget'sshrinking, we don't have and it
is a scarcity mindset that wehave to remember that we serve
the God of abundance andabundance is a way of being and
therefore a way of behaving.
And so, for me, I needed to getreally clear on what my unique
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calling was, so that I couldgive an extraordinary, exciting
yes with an extraordinary andexciting no.
And I think the more Iclarified my own unique calling,
the more specific I was reallyable to go into the mission to
which I believe God has calledme to, in addition to our common
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calling.
Again, it's the Ephesians 2.10,right that we are His
masterpiece, that we have beencreated for good works prepared
in advance.
So, kristen, your good worksare going to look different than
my good works, although weserve the same mission, the same
God, the same good God, ourmission and the way we go about
that's going to look a littlebit unique, because God has made
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each of us unique God has madeeach of us unique.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So over the years, would you say, you know, I
believe we have been given animprint in our DNA of you know,
things that we are gifted withand they grow right.
So would you say that there waslike a pinnacle moment in your
life?
I think you called it.
Did you say fence post?
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I love that um moment where youjust really were like this is it
, like this is what I'm reallycalled to be.
You know, on on the mission,you know, of course, going out
doing the thing, but thespecific thing for you was there
a moment when you really caughthold of that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, you know, I would say really, in the last
five years I've gotten moreclear than I ever have.
Some of that comes, as you said, with wisdom and age maturity.
You know, spiritual formationas you grow closer in Christ In
that there requires, I believe,intentional work on what it
means for me to be the fullperson that God has designed me
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to be, and so I have pursuedspecific pathways and life plans
and even additional assessmentsthrough scripture.
That has helped me kind of puta flashlight, if you will, to my
feet of like.
Okay, this is my calling.
And about five years ago, I'vealways known that God has called
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me to build His church and I'veknown that I can do that in the
business space, which I did,and I can do that in ministry
space, which I did.
And even with what I'm doingnow, there was this unique
opportunity that I began tolearn about discovering this
hidden potential throughintentional living and
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activating this hidden potentialin others.
And so, the more I did pastoralwork and education and again,
the fine-tuning, working withchaplains, executive coaches and
mentors, it became very, veryclear to me that this idea of
building His church was thelocal ecclesia and that is the
call to every believer as theybegin to understand their own
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unique calling and their commoncalling.
How do you continue to unveilthat hidden potential, call out
those giftedness and have themto be trained and sent?
So I would say, some of thatlanguage that I'm sharing about
now became clear about fiveyears ago and it has just been
this unraveling journey, in thesweetest and most gentle of ways
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, that God has just continued tounveil the.
I always call it.
I feel like I can seeoftentimes the back of the
tapestry, where it looks messyand strings are everywhere and
there's no coordination orpattern or rhythms, any of it.
But then, as he unveils some ofwhat's happening in the front,
as he's weaving that tapestry ofyour life, it's like, oh, my
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goodness, that's a sunset,that's the ocean, that's a
mountain.
It just shows you a little bitmore about what that looks like
and I would say, while not afence post moment, exactly the
last five years has been thatunveiling journey.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Do you find that a lot of people you know I often
say like in order to love yourneighbor, you have to love
yourself, and I think if wedon't really know who we are,
it's hard to love who we areright?
Do you find that a lot ofpeople you talk to really are
unclear in what they're calledto do or even to be?
I would say more so.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I think it's a gift for self-exploration, because
you're right, the greatcommandment to love the Lord,
your God, with all your heart,mind, soul and strength and to
love your neighbor.
But oftentimes we forget thatlast little part of that verse
as yourself.
And what a gift and a journeyto go on a self-exploration, to
discern, really, if God haswoven you creatively,
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beautifully, in your mother'swomb, what does that mean
actually?
And the more you know ofyourself, the more you know the
God that you serve and the more,therefore, you can give
yourself to the God that youserve.
And it is just such anincredible, remarkable journey.
To answer your second question,I find that many people don't.
There is an invitation toinscription.
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What is actually inscribed inthe very depths of your soul
versus this idea of, well, thisis my vocation, this is what I
do and this is my family.
It gets very, very surfacelevel, but there is an
invitation to inscription and Ibelieve that that's clear
throughout the scripturepassages.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, so overall, who would you like?
Who does the Lord say you arein the spirit?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Who does the Lord say that I am in the spirit?
Was that your question?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, do you have?
Like, has he given you justkind of an overarching like I'll
share with you?
Like he shared with me that I'ma woman of wonder and I was
like, oh, that is amazing.
Have you like?
Is there something that kind ofcomes to mind?
I don't know if you've donethis before, but I know I'm
totally putting you on the spoton this one.
But if you were to tellsomebody kind of this
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overarching, like, who is Brooke?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I would say my two words and that's how I would
clarify that for myself.
The work that I've done is mytwo words is that I exist to
honor God by manifestingmovement.
Manifesting movement andironically and yet not, if
you've ever done the discoveryand the definition of your names
first name, your middle name,your last name, maiden name,
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nicknames, etc.
That's a really fun place toexplore more about yourself is
by starting with your name.
Names in biblical times andeven as you read throughout
scripture is significant.
Even Jesus used names, right,and how he renamed people Peter
known as the Rock, james andJohn known as the Sons of
Thunder, right.
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So even the playfulness ofscripture looking at that.
But my name actually meansmovement of water and this idea
of manifesting movement.
I believe God's called me tomanifest the movement of
people's souls for the purposeof His kingdom mission in their
lives.
Which goes to that specialcalling, what is their unique
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design?
And then, second to that, theircommon calling in their
everyday lives where they live,work and play.
How are they showing up intheir space to bring this good
news?
Not just verbally or by passingout a Bible those are not wrong
, those are great but how theyshow up in those worlds as God
has uniquely placed them intheir context.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So I would say my two words are manifesting movement.
That is so powerful.
I'm going to write that down.
That I mean just knowing what Iknow about you.
That is so when you say it, howdoes it resonate with you?
Do you feel fire on it?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It is the most.
It's fiery but it's alsoliberating.
It's like when you can stepinto God's calling for your life
and be so clear about thevalues that you hold to, to the
personal mission that he hasgiven you and the invitation
that he has placed you in tolive it out.
It is the most freeing,fulfilling place to walk in
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every day.
And knowing that again inScripture talks about seeking
the kingdom first.
After you seek His kingdom,then you know what His call is
on your life and the uniquegifts he's given you.
You get to walk in freedom andfull confidence and knowing that
whatever seeds that you'resowing, god is going to multiply
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in exponential ways that wecould not think or fathom,
because he's God and that's thefaithfulness that will always
produce the fruit.
Obedience always produces fruit.
That's the faithfulness thatwill always produce the fruit.
Obedience always produces fruit.
So the more clear you are aboutyour unique calling and design,
the more faithful you can beinto the walk that he's already
called you into.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So good, oh my gosh.
I feel like you could just saylike write this down and you've
got books in you.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
But I was wondering so, as you have been taking
these steps of obedience and we,we do as we are shown.
You know he gives us a go rightand at times there can be some
goes that, um, maybe your, your,your body, wants to say no, but
you know, k N O W, that he'scalling you into something that
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is beyond you.
Um, can you tell us maybe amoment that you've stepped into
something like that and given aradical obedient yes, yeah, I
talk about those fence postmoments I have clearly marked,
defined, yes moments, uncertainof what was to come.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But knowing, while I make my plans, he determines my
steps.
And so the most recent fencepost moment, if you will that my
risk to go happened 18 monthsago.
Actually, I was a pastor at alocal church and I had been at
this local church for just overa decade serving on staff and
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then, eight years prior to that,serving as an unpaid staff, if
you will.
And so I had just this inkling,probably about three years ago,
that God was doing something,and I didn't know what it was,
but I knew that I needed to havetime for prayer, time for wise
counsel, time for scripturesearching His word will never
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leave me astray and then,obviously, deep conversations
with my spouse, and so I oftensay Adrienne, my husband is my
megaphone to the Holy Spirit.
So when I know he's alignedwith me, it's time for me to
take an action, to make a move,and so it was just over 18
months ago.
He looked at me and said, hey,I think this is time.
So I left, I gave my church asix-week notice.
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I wanted to make sure I saw usthrough our Christmas Eve
services.
We have a pretty big church, soI wanted to make sure I honored
the staff team there and alsothose who were going to be in
attendance over our eightChristmas Eve services.
And so Christmas Eve was mylast time there, december 24,
2023.
And I wasn't sure what was next.
I just knew that it was my timeto step out.
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And so, after months of counseland wisdom, and I took a
week-long quiet retreat, justwent through the book of
Nehemiah, went through severalPsalms, got back into the Sermon
on the Mount, I just asked Godto illuminate my path.
And it was about three weeksinto my exit that I had a phone
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call with Will Mancini, who isour CEO and founder of Run Free,
and he just said Brooke, Ithink that I would love for you
to come join us and be a part ofour team and help build what
we're doing within the area ofthe church across North America.
And so, again, my husband'slike I think this is right.
And so I told Will yes.
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And that was now, like I said,18, almost 19 months ago now,
and I have been building out thebusiness of Run Free since
January of 2024.
So it didn't take long for meto land on two feet, but I was
prepared, with the Lord, for itto take as long as it needed to.
Now that's a little scary,because we do have a dual income
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.
We have two kids and we'regetting our extended child to
college.
If you've ever done that, youknow it's expensive, and but we
just knew that God's bigger thanour bank account, god's bigger
than our house payment, god'sbigger than plans our kids have
for college.
And so we took the leap and Godwas faithful.
And again, it was three weeksby the time I ended my last job,
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I began this new work and I'vebeen trailblazing with Run Free
ever since.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I love it.
The build.
You know the build out.
The builder in you, like the.
I've called some people like anarchitect A-R-K.
You know, like the architect,you know helping build out
things that are just beautifulin ministry and doing things
different in business, right.
So as you stepped into thisrole, it sounds like it was just
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almost made for you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
It is funny that you say that because it has felt a
little hand in glove and justlike kind of the God wink of hey
.
So I'm going to take thatbusiness background of yours,
I'm going to take your ministryexperience, I'm going to take
your love for me and just asprinkling of that Enneagram 3.
And we're going to put all ofthat into motion.
For now, this new companycalled Run Free, and it has been
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such a gift.
It has been the deepest stretchwhere I have learned to embrace
and even love the gap,recognizing that my skills and
talents will only take me so far.
But there is this deep, deepdependence on Jesus because I've
stepped into something that isso significantly bigger than me
than my resume, than mycertifications, than my Bible
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classes.
It is so much bigger and inthat, just like this little
David and Goliath moment whereit's like okay, lord, like we
can save a giant, we can takethe hill, we can, but emphasis
we.
Because if it would be so mucheasier for me to take a job in a
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business that's already built,in a corporate sector where you
know there's protocol andprocedures and ROIs and PNLls
and all the fun acronyms thatbusiness brings, but in this
it's like, okay, what is god upto?
And we can't make the oceanwaves.
We could just get to grab thesurfboard and ride it with him.
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And that's where the freedomcomes in, where it's like I am
not responsible for creating thewave, I, I'm responsible for
watching it, staying ready forit and, when it comes, to get on
it as fast as possible and endwherever that waves washes
ashore, that's where we go, andso we have a deep, deep
pioneering spirit at Run Free.
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We are very agile and nimble,and it's primarily because we
just want to see where God is atwork and we want to join him in
it, and that requires thisloose hold to the agendas and
the knowledge and expertise thatwe all bring.
We have a team of 15 andcollectively the 15 of us have
over 300 years of ministryexperience.
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We have covered every positionin the church staff, from
worship communications,executive pastor, senior pastor,
church planner, next-gen pastor, missions pastor, discipleship
pastor.
We have covered every position.
So there is so much talent tothis team it can almost create a
mirage to make you believe.
Oh well, we can do this, oh myGod.
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And the funny thing is that Godis building His church and we
have a part in that, but wecertainly don't lead that he
does.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I mean I'm just seeing, like you know, the
Nehemiah, the wall that theyrebuilt, and there's all these
people stationed.
They all have their specialstations right and they helped
build the wall in such anexpedited amount of time I think
was it 52 days or somethinglike that 52 days, that's right
and to knowing Nehemiah'sposture, like if you go back
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into those chapters of thatbeautiful book, it's just so
pronounced with leadership,philosophy and methodology.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
As he lives, the first thing that he does before
he does anything is he talks toGod, he prays.
Nehemiah prayed.
He prayed again.
Like his prayer, life is thedirect result of the
accomplishment of what he did,not because of his hands and
because of his genius or hisexperience.
It's because he was simply aconduit, a faithful conduit, and
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God just used that and did thismiraculous thing and God got
the glory for it so so much.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Goodness, Nehemiah is like one of my favorites, so
good.
Yeah, I can't remember.
Is it Nehemiah 6, 3 or no?
That's not the right.
Um, sometimes I've had time withaddresses where it's like I'm
doing a good work and I'm notcoming down.
Um, I know that there's moments, as we're pioneering um, cause
I'm also pioneering as well,Like the trailblazing aspect of
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you know you're gonna havemoments where it feels like, um,
you know that, that temptationof, hey, you know, come down,
this, this, this is over hereand you have to keep focused on
the mission at hand.
Um, I guess there's kind of atwo-part question here of um,
what has been most stretchingfor you.
(33:57):
I know you mentioned thestretching cause I, I'm in it
with you.
I feel like I'm going to be asflexible as Gumby someday and um
, kind of the, the other part ofyou know the having to say I'm
doing a good work, I'm notcoming down.
Have you had people that havekind of tried to kind of
dissuade you from what you'redoing?
(34:18):
Maybe, like, but what if youknow that kind of stuff when you
first kind of came into this?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah.
So to answer your firstquestion, just about being
stretched, you know it'sinteresting.
I almost can equate it to whatI can imagine being a parent to
a grandparent.
I'm not a grandparent KristenOne day I pray I will be but
this idea of being a pastor inthe church, like you are very
tactically moving, strategicallymoving and even
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paradigmatically throughparadigm shifts, trying to move
things in the church.
But when you are working insideit's almost as though you can't
see the forest through thetrees.
So, coming on the other side ofnow working if you can imagine
now parenting my children to nowgrandparenting a number of
children, aka churches aroundthe country it has been a
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stretch for me not to justcandidly grow cynical because
you're seeing this local churchand after years and years of
experience and even brokennessand stuckness and complexity and
confusion you know it's notthat you want to come in with a
quick solve, but you ultimatelyhave to get down to the way that
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you're thinking and then tobegin to consider what would it
look like to think differently?
And that's the paradigm work.
So I would say, moving intothis role, specifically from
working in a church for so longto now working with a number of
churches.
There is a shift in how I've hadto approach my ministry work
even different denominationsbecause we work with various
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denominations, all faith tribesand churches of all sizes, and
so there is a nuance that I'vereally had to lean on the Lord
to just give me the words tospeak and thinking about the
questions that I'm asking,because it's very different to
work with a number of churchesversus working at a church.
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So I think that's different.
The other thing I've had toreally stretch and learn into is
just this idea of my own way ofthinking.
You know, I know I have a deepbelief that we are all a part of
the pastorhood, if you will,the pastorhood of all believers,
and not coming in in such a waywhere I want to dictate and
tell, but rather, as a churchvision coach, I really want to
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come in and be curious and findand unveil, because oftentimes
people cannot see when, again inthe church, the forest through
the trees, but rather when youstand back it's like, oh my
goodness, the trees, but ratherwhen you stand back it's like,
oh my goodness, actuallydiscipling people for worship
services.
Are we discipling people toworship God and then to live
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that out in their everyday life.
So being able to minister, tofacilitate towards and coach
around those has been a deepstretch for me personally, even
though it's a deep-seated belief, I think, coming to a way of
meeting people where they are,which we know Jesus was so
brilliantly perfect at doingthat right Versus just telling
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the Pharisees or telling Peteror telling the woman at the well
, he so deeply, carefully,thoughtfully, curiously met them
where they were.
So that's been a learning curvefor me.
But it comes to your secondquestion around people trying to
either convince or be concernedor even questioning some of my
decisions.
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A hundred percent, a hundredpercent of, like bro, this
doesn't make any sense.
I've been offered multiple jobsat nonprofits, other churches,
and again, that would be theeasy and the wide road.
For me those aren't wrongpositions or bad positions,
they're fantastic.
I've done both.
I just think that the road thatI've been called to is narrow
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and it's hard and it's long andit's arduous and still freeing.
So just listening to the stillsmall voice, right Like we know
that the world will be loud.
But that is just all the morereason for us to get incredibly
quiet with Christ in abiding, inconfessing, in open handedness,
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in quiet and just your regularpractices of fasting and you
know seeking counsel, fastingand you know seeking counsel.
All of that has to come intoplay before I think any, any
life decision is up for grabs.
And I will tell you, kristen, Ido.
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I begin each day before my eyesopen, I open my hands, I'm like
Lord, what will you and I dotogether today?
Why don't you surprise me?
My answer is going to be yes.
And when you live in such a way, it is totally scary, by the
way, like that's not secure orknown or controlling, but
there's a wrestling with yourflesh and the spirit.
We see that all throughoutscripture and it's like, okay,
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if we're really going to followJesus, if we're really going to
do that, there is a cross totake up.
And Jesus' cross was not light,nor was it easy.
But yet when we see thatscripture passage in Matthew 11
about how His yoke is easy andHis burden is light, it's
because he has the outcomealready.
Like we don't have to controlor manipulate those things.
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We just have to be so clearwith what God is up to, what he
is calling us to, and faithfullywalk in it.
So it becomes a little bit moreeasy for me to quiet those
noisy voices, because I have anenthusiastic yes, and so,
therefore, I have anenthusiastic no.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Ooh, can you say that again?
Somebody needs to hear that.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It becomes.
Let me see if I can rephraseand paraphrase to hear that it
becomes.
Let me see if I can rephraseand paraphrase.
Once I have abided and reallydiscerned the voice of what
Jesus is calling me to do, thepower of the spirit in my life,
it becomes very easy for me togive an enthusiastic yes,
because I've already definedwhat that clarity is.
So therefore I can also give anenthusiastic now.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yes, oh, it's so good man, like, let's just sit there
for a moment.
You guys need to just take thatto the Lord.
You know, later today what doesthat look like for you
listeners, wherever you'relistening?
So, as you've stepped into thisrole, I would love to hear you
know the work that you do.
Obviously you're having impact,right, you're seeing it, you
know.
Maybe it's not immediate, maybeit is, with some cases without
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you know, disclosing who you'reworking with or what have you,
unless you're, you know, privyto that, would you be open to
sharing, you know, maybe atestimonial of maybe some people
that you've worked with thatliterally couldn't see the
forest for the trees and you gotto help them just transform.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, I actually have one team that
comes to mind.
It's a church in Florida.
I can't share that.
There's a lot of churches inFlorida.
But leading out through thisidea of common calling, of how
we just go about makingdisciples, who make disciples,
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what does that actually tangiblyand practically look like in
the local church?
And so we're walking throughyou know, various tools and
creating really sound, safeconversations, wrestling even,
because in the local church,people oftentimes are attracted
to what we would call the lowerroom, meaning that they're
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emotionally tied to the place oh, the building is very close to
where I live.
The personality they love theteacher, the teaching pastor is
the best.
The programs gosh, like my kidslove the next-gen programs in
the kids' room.
Or the people, right.
So your four Ps of the people,the place, the program or the
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personality.
And oftentimes, as I was meetingwith this church team and we're
talking through the number ofthings, what does it actually
mean to be called to the upperroom, which is their purpose,
which comes down to a commoncall and special call?
So we're talking through thisdialogue and one pastor looks at
me and it's like Brooke, why,why do we make this so hard?
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Like we're looking at scripture, we see what Jesus did.
It's like the ultimate amateurhour when he calls the 12.
And then, like they're fightingwith each other and they're
asking all these questions thatJesus has already answered, and
like we're going to strike themdown.
You know, trying to punish thepeople who question Jesus, and
Jesus has given us such a clearmodel.
(42:47):
So we go back in the scriptureand we see in Luke 8, 1, luke 9,
1, luke 10, 1, and Acts 1, justthis beautiful pattern of how
Jesus disciples.
And this pastor looks at me andhe's like Brooke, why do we
make this so hard?
And it was like thisilluminating moment, just for a
second, to realize the HolySpirit's working in the lives of
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these pastors and this idea ofwho are you pastoring, how are
you practicing what it is thatscripture is telling you has
revealed to you already, and howopen posture in your spirit is,
open for what God wants toreveal to you next.
And then how do you begin tolive that out?
And so we started talking aboutjust kind of like your
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traditional North Americanchurch, and I'll share with you
what we did through thestorytelling with this
conversation, you know, okay, soI want my girls to learn how to
ride horses.
Okay, so they're going to go tothis church in Florida and the
first thing they're going to dois they're going to go to a big
room and they're going to hearall about horses and it's going
to be great, like all, like thedifferent kinds of horses and
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sizes, and how you get up andput the saddle on and then how
you get on top of the horse tobegin riding, et cetera.
And then from there you'regoing to go into a smaller
circle during sometime duringthe week and then you're going
to talk more about horses andwhat you learned from the big
room horse conversation.
Okay, then you're going to comeback before you hear more about
horses and you're going toclean the stables.
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All the horse stuff has got tobe cleaned up and the serving of
that has got to be done.
Never, any point, are people,are my daughters actually
getting on a horse?
As we began to spell this out inthe local church, the context
of worshiping on Sundays,serving on Sundays and getting
to a small group that's yourtraditional assimilation funnel,
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and what we're missing is themultiplication funnel.
We actually want people and inthis story, as I told it my
daughters to get on a horse.
They might get hurt, they mightfall off or, you know, they
might ride faster than they wantto, but there is this beautiful
opportunity in the learning toactually practice it and then to
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get feedback from it right.
So that's what this group, whatwe were doing with this
executive leadership team, isthat we were practicing, we're
learning about it.
Here's the tool for it.
And then the next seven days,your commitment is what They'd
make a commitment.
Next week, we would share ourcommitments Like this is what I
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learned, this is what it lookedlike, this is how I messed it up
, and this person that totallysaid no to Jesus, basically
because I think I shared thegospel wrong, or you know, we
celebrate all of it because it'sall progress, but it's this
idea of just where are wehelping our people to go to
their higher calling, that upperroom purpose for their lives,
the vision and the mission ofJesus for the local church, for
them.
(45:40):
So that was one of the thingswhen you asked that question.
It's just this.
It was this beautiful like oh,wait a minute.
And these guys and gals arepaid pastors, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
So I love the analogy too, right, the horse Like you
got to get on the horse andactually go and just look at a
horse all the time and justwonder, right?
So the discipleship framework Iheard you say like is very
clearly written in the Word andI would love for you if somebody
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is going, okay, that's great.
Maybe I've read it before Couldyou share that revelation with
what you saw specifically in theWord.
Maybe somebody is listeningfrom Africa today who has a
church and they're like, oh mygosh, that's what we're doing.
I love it?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
How do we flip the script?
Yeah, absolutely so,specifically when you watch the
pattern of Jesus and hisdisciple making.
What I love about the work thatwe get to do is that Jesus
didn't dismiss what we wouldcall today in the church the
assimilation funnel, where it'sthe gather, connect, serve.
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We want to gather on theweekends, connect in a group and
serve in the church.
That's beautiful.
Jesus did that.
He called masses of people andhe talked to them and it was
great because he did have anassimilation funnel.
Then Jesus also had what wewould call in our work the
multiplication funnel, where hespent time specifically with
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this few men and women that hecalled and invited and he
discipled and trained them andin the ultimate amateur hour he
let them practice Like theyweren't just sitting around the
campfire day in and day out.
They were, but he also gavethem the opportunity to go out.
He sent them out two by two,and then we see this beautiful
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proliferation of growth, when wesee the early church begin to
expand, in Pentecost, the upperroom with 120, then all of a
sudden, 3,000 are saved andbaptized, and so there is this
beautiful growth fromassimilation to multiplication.
So what we don't tell churchesis like hey, like, throw away
your funnel, don't gather on theweekends, Don't put people in
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the group.
It is just the genius of whatJim Collins would say is the end
.
The future of the church isreally found in a few, but those
faithful few.
Jesus multiplied the mission.
It doesn't mean that he did notcall the others, he invited
those.
But then those who came andstayed and were trained, he sent
.
So he equipped them, he calledthem, he trained them and he
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sent them.
And we see that that's some ofthe brokenness.
And even you look at churchdashboards and metrics and some
people call it nickel and noses,just kind of what people are
counting today.
But it's like gosh, what ifyour church is actually bigger
than what you're counting on theweekends?
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One of my favorite tools that wehave is called the crowd cloud
and it's this idea that everybeliever has their own church,
if you will, if you think aboutthe expansion of their influence
the other six days of the week.
So having them practice in thechurch is we're equipping them
to then send them out into theirworkplace, into their
neighborhoods, into theirchildren's schools, into the
volleyball courts or soccerfields or, you know, into all
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these places as you're travelingin the everyday world.
What does that actually looklike?
To equip them to be sent intheir local context by their
local church and that's thebeautiful part of our process is
the multiplication funnel.
So we want to layer those two.
We don't throw the baby out withthe bathwater because there's a
beautiful opportunity of theassimilation funnel, because
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there is a beautiful opportunityof the assimilation funnel, but
we call it instead of the GreatCommission.
We call it the Functional GreatCommission, where we don't want
to go out into all the worldand make worship attenders,
baptizing them in the name ofsmall groups, and to serve a few
hours a month.
That's actually not what Jesusdied for.
We want to move the finish lineand we want to continue to
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build out so that this localchurch, based upon their local
calling, can have specificdesign, ministry, innovation
around their local contacts tocall and train and send the
people that God has entrustedthem to do that with.
So yeah, that's a little bitmore framework around that.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You said it was crowd .
Cloud was the terminology thatyou use.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's one of the tools that we use and
it's just again this idea.
There's a really neat storyfrom a church, because again,
you think about the churchdashboards and what they count
this lady in this church.
She worked at Ace Hardware, soshe'd come on the weekends.
Of course Sunday attendance andshe'd serve.
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I think she served coffee was apart of her story.
But the other five days thatshe went to Ace Hardware she
knew every person that came intoher store by name, whether she
met them for the first time shewrote it down or if they were
regular customers, she made surethat she knew them by name and
she prayed for them and shewould offer as they came to
check out hey, I've been prayingfor you, Is there anything that
you want to share with me?
Is there a prayer that I canpray for you today?
Hey, do you have a local churchthat you attend?
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As I've been praying for you, Ifelt prompted to do this.
It is a bold testament thatthis woman is behind the cashier
your customer.
But the reality is is that lastwe checked, she had over 400
names that's bigger than somechurches and here she was being
called in the church and thechurch was like well, we need
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someone to lead this small groupand we need someone to hold
babies and we need someone toserve coffee and hold the door,
and that's great, like we needthose things.
And we're not saying no to that, we're saying yes and and here
she was.
The church had never really toldher hey, in your workplace,
what does that ministry actuallylook like?
How do you continue to expandyour gospel reach and be a crazy
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farmer throwing those gospelseeds where you live, work and
play?
She just took it by her own,calling for the power of the
work of the Spirit.
And we're thinking like how dowe create more ACE hardware
workers to embrace thatincarnational, missional
practitioner spirit that I am apastor wherever I go, to lead
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people to this incredible Saviorwho has changed my world, and I
want you to know Him.
His name's Jesus.
So that's just kind of anexample with one of the churches
that we worked with.
And when that story, thattestimony, came through, we're
like, okay, and are we going tocount her on our church metrics
for her local ecclesia, herlocal church, through Ace Harbor
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?
This particular church was not,but I would argue, why not
Exactly?
Why wouldn't we count that.
Why wouldn't we share that?
Why wouldn't we replicate that?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And have her get up on stage and testify.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Uh-huh Right.
Practical tools Like this ispracticing.
How can we help our peoplepractice to be equipped and
trained as they come to us?
I love John Tyson.
He's one of my favorite pastors.
He is the pastor of the Churchof the City in New York and he
is probably one of the closestpastors that I've seen.
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That really embodies this, andhe had a sermon not too long ago
where he said hey, you knowwhat the game is actually?
Your six days of life, the hotdays.
So we're gonna help, we goingto get the playbook, we're going
to practice it up and thenwe're pushing you guys back out
into the game.
What a mindset, what a mission.
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And so that's the privilege ofnow, kristen, what I get to do
with Run Free versus just doingthat in one church.
I get to do that with as manychurches as God would send to me
.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
So beautiful.
Oh my gosh, I am like just howhe's moved you into this
position, to be this, you know,woman of manifesting movement,
and it's happening in ways thatyou know.
25 years ago you probably neverwould have imagined this right,
you know 25 years ago, youprobably never would have
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imagined this right.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Right, that's right.
The church has never been moreprimed and positioned for what
God is up to right now and justthe movement of this next
generation watching these sparksof revival.
Like the church is moving incollege campuses, praise God.
And the church is moving in theworkplace, praise God.
And it's like local church,like you get to equip and deploy
your people.
Let's do it, and let's do itwell, because it's the
stewardship crisis.
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What a privilege andresponsibility we've been given.
And too much is given.
Much is required.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Well, I love everything you've shared today.
Well, I love everything you'veshared today.
If people are listening andmaybe they're a pastor or
they're they're they're reallygetting fired up by what you're
talking about.
How can people reach out to youand hear more about how you can
come alongside them?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
yeah, that's um.
I love the question.
Our website for run free,specifically, is just run free
dot co, run free dot co, andit's spelled just exactly as
it's pronounced just runR-U-N-F-R-E-Eco.
And I'm all over social, soBrooke Domek, instagram and
Facebook and X and so LinkedIn.
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It's a great place as well.
And then, of course, my emailis on the Run Free website.
If there's questions or just tocontinue conversation, just to
pray and even get equipped, I'dbe honored to serve.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well, just one more question for you.
What are you looking forward tomost over this next year?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, I am looking forward to how God would use me
as a conduit for His church, forbelievers who are hungry, for
pastors who are hungry for theseincredible believers, no matter
the context, any sector, whofeel as though God is doing
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something, but they can't quitename it, they haven't quite
codified it, they can't quitearticulate or inscribe exactly
what that means.
In my church, on my team, in myhome, with my children, I am
deeply passionate aboutunveiling that hidden potential
and calling it out and equippingit to move forward, which again
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manifesting movement.
So I'm excited to see how Godis going to use what he has
entrusted to me the last 18months and how he will what I
believe and anticipate propel meforward to steward what he has
given me for the sake of thegospel.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yes, amen.
I am cheering you on, my friend.
It's so beautiful and thank youso much for your yes.
As we close today, I would lovefor you to just speak over the
one and I'm always focused onthe one that's listening in if
you could just get a vision.
Obviously, most of the timeit's it's women who are
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listening in, but, um, if youcould just speak over them, if
there's something that's comingto mind to encourage them, if
you have a word of wisdom, wordof knowledge, and then would you
pray us out today I'd behonored for the one one I just
want to tear out, because I feellike what I'm hearing right now
from the spirit is that you'recalled yeah you are called, do
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not wait and sit idle, do notbelieve lies from the enemy that
you are not enough, that youare not able or capable, that
your past dictates your future.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
for the one I want you to know, to believe and to
receive, you are called today.
Um, and with that I would loveto pray us out.
Thank you, lord Jesus, king,author and perfecter of our
faith.
Our Father in heaven, the loverof our souls, holy Spirit,
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speak in this moment.
What a privileged time we'vehad together, god and I.
Just I'm so curious about whatyou're up, to God, and I just
I'm so curious about what you'reup to, feeling the stirring in
my spirit, god, knowing thatperhaps today is simply for the
one to receive this good news ina fresh, new way, to be
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reminded that they are called.
There is a uniqueness to them,to each of us, and what a
responsibility and a privilegeand an invitation it is to
consider what that actuallymeans, what does it look like
and how do I begin to live itout with clarity, knowing that
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clarity doesn't changeeverything, but certainly claims
clarity into next steps.
So, god, we lay our agendas downand we ask that you would just
continue to guide the steps towhich you are inviting us into
next, god, I thank you for thepeople who are listening,
whether now months or even yearsto come, lord, and for our
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hosts and becoming very quicklya dear friend, kristen.
Lord, I'm asking for a blessingand your favor over her
ministry, over her marriage,over her family, god, as you
continue to call and equip herinto where she should go, lord,
that she would be so tetheredand anchored into you, into your
word, that she would knowexactly which way to go, whether
it be left or right.
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May that be true for her,myself and everyone tuning in
today.
God, we love you and is worthyof everything we have.
You are worthy of it all.
So, lord, we pray this in theholy name jesus, amen amen.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Brooke, thank you so much for coming on today.
I'll probably have to have youon again in the future with
updates and more testimonies.
Um, I am going to close withthe anchoring verse over Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace in
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
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So thank you again, brooke.
Thank you for being a bravevoice.
Who's setting so many free?
I'll be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
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feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
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If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Brooke Domek to theshow.
I am so excited to have herhere with us today.
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She is a mutual friend of adear friend, amy, and I'm so
thankful for the connection.
We had a chance to get to knoweach other recently and even
catch up a little bit thismorning, and I know that she's
going to bring so much goodnessto us today.
So, brooke, would you be opento sharing a little bit about
yourself before we get into yourstory?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I would absolutely love to Kristen.
Thank you so much for the warmintroduction and for this new,
blossoming friendship.
I'm always delighted to get tolink arms with a sister in
Christ and no doubt my friend.
You are a warrior, so I'm justhonored to be here.
Like you said, my name is Brookeand I am currently the
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executive director of anorganization called Run Free.
I am currently the executivedirector of an organization
called Run Free.
In that Run Free space, we havethe privilege of working with
churches and leaders who arebelievers.
Through our work, we dodiscipleship design, we do
executive coaching andorganizational strategies, so it
really is kind of a verycomprehensive shop, if you will,
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and I cannot imagine a greatermission to which we have been
called.
And the mission of Run Free isthat we help church teams to run
free into what Jesus hasstarted.
And so I have been a follower ofJesus as my Lord and Savior for
23 years, ironically enough,and yet not.
I've been married to my husbandfor 23 years.
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He was actually the one who ledme to faith.
We have two beautiful girls, Iwant to say Kristen, they're
little girls, but they're not.
My oldest is 18.
We will be taking her tocollege.
I'm at this podcast.
We'll be taking her next weekand youngest is 15.
That means that she's drivingbehind the wheel of a car and
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she's getting ready to start hersophomore year of high school.
So we are proud parents andjust delighted with what God's
doing in our lives this season.
So, yeah, a little bit about me.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So amazing and gosh, what a transitional season.
My boys are now 17 and 20, andmy son just wrapped up his first
year of college and it was sucha.
You know, you go back to therun free, right.
It's this paradigm shift withyour children to let them run
free, but it's hard, right.
How are you guys dealing withthat, Like how are things going?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know what Truly I feel like God has just
continued to open up our eyes.
We recognize the incredibleprivilege of stewarding these
two young ladies and prayingthat they will be God, honoring
people, loving, flourishinghumans in the world that will
make the difference to push awaythe darkness and to shine the
brightest light A little.
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I actually, as a mom, I get alittle emotional when I think
about it, because we're sostinking proud of these kids,
their fierce love for the Lordand really how they show up with
people in their own unique ways.
They're both very uniquelycalled and gifted, as we all are
, and in this season it's justanother reminder of the
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certainty of change, and changedoesn't necessarily have to be a
bad thing.
As a matter of fact, it's abeautiful thing to consider what
is God doing in the midst of it, what is he teaching me and how
is he calling us to respond?
So that's always just arecentering and grounding way to
kind of reflect and then lookfuture forward with our kids.
And when we ground notperfectly Kristen very much, so
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imperfectly it helps us toremember what God's up to and
what he's entrusted us with, andthat's a gift.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Amen.
I love how you just communicate.
You are so well-spoken and itjust hits me the way you just
shared that.
So, even over my own heart,could we go back a little bit?
23 years you said marriage andcoming to Christ.
Those are huge, amazing,impactful moments.
(04:58):
Could you share a little bitabout what that looked like for
you?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, we all have fencepost moments in our lives, those
moments that mark us and changeus forever.
And this fence post momenthappened just over 23 years ago
at a baseball game.
My husband and I grew up inCharleston, south Carolina, and
we had a mutual friend.
She had invited me to thisbaseball game and also all of
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her other friends which he wasincluded in that circle, and so
what was really fascinatingabout that night as I was
imagining it was going to bejust this regular baseball game,
kind of goofing off in collegewith a bunch of friends and
making new friends Indeed, itwas some of those things, but
that didn't quite fullyencompass what I didn't realize
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at the time, what was coming.
And so when I met my husband hisname is Adrian he was quite the
gentleman and, I must say,quite good looking, and one of
the first things he shared withme, outside of his name, was a
little bit about himself, hisstory, and then he asked me if I
knew Jesus, a little bit abouthimself, his story, and then he
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asked me if I knew Jesus.
And to not be a follower, tonot be a regular attender of
anything affiliated with thechurch, whether it be, you know,
youth camps or church servicesor groups.
It kind of took me aback alittle bit and just to be very
honest with you and youraudience, kristen, my first
response was aren't you going tobuy me a beer first?
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Actually, he was very frank andvery candid and said as a
matter of fact no, I reallydon't know where you stand with
your faith.
And I very honestly shared withhim I didn't have a faith.
The little bit of faith that Iwitnessed, experienced growing
up, was full of hypocrisy in myoccurrence, and so I tried to
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steer clear of that as much aspossible, just not wanting to
fall into a religious way oftradition that I felt like was
not a real valid thing to beginwith, much less the brokenness
of the hypocrisy that Iexperienced.
And so this began a longfriendship between the two of us
where he would reallyintentionally disciple me.
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He invited me to church, hetaught me to read scripture, and
then he finally just asked meif I was ready and I said yes,
and so he prayed with me and wejust kind of began the journey,
deepening our friendship, butthen very quickly into courting
or dating, as you might say, andthen quickly from there, from
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the time we met, actually toknow, looking back, what babies
we were, but how God used theinnocence of His heart and my
openness to receive the gospel.
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Now, my openness, kristen mayhave been because of His good
looks but then quickly proceededto the goodness of Jesus.
But no matter what, jesus gotme there and that is the
foundation of who we areindividually and collectively in
our marriage and family today.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So beautiful and the fact that like has he shared?
I'm sure he shared with you,but like was he thinking that
there'd be long-term potentialwith you guys right when he
asked you that question?
Is that why he kind of dug inright away, you know?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
what.
He actually didn't tell me thatright away, but in the couple
of months to follow he said thathe knew that there was
something very different aboutme, that outside of just, you
know, easygoing conversation andboth of our love of sports
probably fueled that.
But I really think, you know,going into the next couple of
months he said he did want topursue a long-term relationship
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that would end in marriage, andagain for a girl in college.
I'm thinking, okay, I'm stilljust trying to grasp this idea
of Jesus and going to church.
What is all of this?
But there was just such thissimplicity to this conversation
and what God was doing in themidst of it.
It still overwhelms me to thinkabout what I left behind and
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laid down and what God then putin my hands.
And it's been a life full ofjust goodness, not without
hardship, certainly, but amarriage and two children and
ministry.
Impact and the reach of thelost and the things that we're
holding onto were so trite.
And when I laid that down again, what God put in my hands I
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could have never have imaginedor conceivably prayed for, but
that's just the God that weserve.
So prior to meeting him, likewhat, what was your thought
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process on where you were goingto be going in, pursuit of
always something that isstrategic and growth oriented.
And so in my mind I was notgoing to get married, came from
a broken home and I didn'treally want kids.
That was not something that Ihad ever really considered or
thought of, just really was kindof in pursuit of self and
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success and a ladder, and so Iwas doing a five-year program in
four years, going to schoolyear round and making the honors
list, graduated with honorsmagna cum laude, and just really
wanted to continue, just tobreak the glass ceilings, if you
will, and just to see how far Icould push myself really in the
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world of business.
So that was the current time ofpursuit and I would say second
to that was just really having agood time.
It was wherever the next goodtime was is where I was going to
show up at.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So you had a radical shift throughout that
discipleship through with Adrianwhich is incredible.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It was a saw to Paul, at least in my experience.
In my experience as I readscripture, it really was this
Scales falling off all the same,and I can tell you that in 23
years of following the Lord,it's never been the same and
I've never looked back.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yes, amen.
Well, I share that with you.
I think that I don't know if Ishared that with you before, but
I tell people I'm like I had aSaul to Paul conversion, but
thankfully I didn't kill anybody.
You know, saul had someproblems in that respect, but he
had that quick conversion.
I like to say that it was likeit doesn't happen for everybody.
Where there is that quickconversion, where you're on
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mission, like you went onmission right away, I imagine so
, even though you were verydriven um back then, what did
that look like to take on thisshift into the?
The quote-unquote say Paulette,we'll call us Paulettes what
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was that like?
has the?
Did the drivenness remain?
What did that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
So the drivenness did remainand I would still say it's still
there today, but it was justthe focus and the ultimate
desire of my prize.
So you know scripture talksabout in the first Corinthians,
about running a race and and andrunning for the prize.
Right Through Paul's lettersand my prize had changed.
You know, my prize once upon atime was a title, and and lots
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of stuff and trips and basicallywhatever I wanted at the tip of
my fingers.
Um and the.
The prize changed from thestuff to the souls and very
quickly jumped into all thingschurch in a way where I just
wanted to pursue not justknowledge but practical ways of
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living this out.
I think that's something that Isubscribe to, is that I don't
just want to create my head fullof knowledge, but rather I
really want to put the wheels tothe ground and to live it out.
And if I only knew as muchscripture as I knew today, I
could live the rest of my lifeknowing how to live, how to
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honor God and what he's callingme to do.
I think oftentimes we miss theopportunity of actually doing
what Scripture says, versus justbeing semi-familiar with it or
just reading it at the facevalue of.
And so for me, I just went allin and we immediately began to
serve.
You know, my husband taught methe practice biblically of
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tithing, and not tithing fromnet, but tithing from gross.
So we immediately increasedtithing.
And not tithing from net, buttithing from gross.
So we immediately increasedtithes.
We began leading small groups,began serving in children's
ministry, began taking trips andreally began to consider what
does it mean to love ourneighbors as ourselves?
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So the beauty of being thechurch is that that happens the
other six days a week, right,not just me serving in
children's ministry, holdingbabies which I did for a long
time and attending service, butreally the other six days of the
week of how do I show up andhonor my boss in a way that
honors God?
How do I meet my coworkerswhere they are, when they're
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struggling, not to fix them withthe right Bible verse, but
rather just to ask questions andsit with them in it?
What does it mean to nowdisciple my children?
Because discipleship begins inthe home.
So it began this rapid, radicalpursuit of okay, I really want
to embrace God in everypotential facet of my being, of
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my soul and the way I live, so Iwould say my Enneagram 3-ness,
while I still have my shadows,certainly.
It just became this pinnacleNorth Star of okay, god, like
whatever you would want is whatI want and what you call me to
do.
It's that first annual prayerof speak Lord, your servants
listening, and I just reallywanted to honor him with that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, it servants listening, and I just really
wanted to honor him with that.
It's amazing, and you know onething that's kind of coming to
mind that I think many of uscollectively might have some
challenges, and is how do youknow what to say no to and how
do you know what to say yes toin ministry?
Because serving is amazing, butI think sometimes we can give
too much of ourselves andburnout.
(15:31):
Has that ever happened to youbefore?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh gosh, ministry will take all that.
You will give it, and notbecause it's on this vengeance
to take your soul, but ratherjust continue to push the
mission forward, to take yoursoul, but rather, just, you know
, continue to push the missionforward.
I do believe the best about thelocal church and the local
church is served by brokenpeople, imperfect people who are
in imperfect progress.
(15:54):
And so, yes, you know, over theyears I had to get really
really clear.
You know, we talk about thisidea of common calling, which is
what we see in Matthew 28 isthe great commission of going
out into all the world to makedisciples, but the uniqueness
and the design of each of us inour special calling and I think
church misses this specialcalling because there can be
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this scarcity we don't haveenough volunteers, we don't have
enough money, our budget'sshrinking, we don't have and it
is a scarcity mindset that wehave to remember that we serve
the God of abundance andabundance is a way of being and
therefore a way of behaving.
And so, for me, I needed to getreally clear on what my unique
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calling was, so that I couldgive an extraordinary, exciting
yes with an extraordinary andexciting no.
And I think the more Iclarified my own unique calling,
the more specific I was reallyable to go into the mission to
which I believe God has calledme to, in addition to our common
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calling.
Again, it's the Ephesians 2.10,right that we are His
masterpiece, that we have beencreated for good works prepared
in advance.
So, kristen, your good worksare going to look different than
my good works, although weserve the same mission, the same
God, the same good God, ourmission and the way we go about
that's going to look a littlebit unique, because God has made
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each of us unique God has madeeach of us unique.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So over the years, would you say, you know, I
believe we have been given animprint in our DNA of you know,
things that we are gifted withand they grow right.
So would you say that there waslike a pinnacle moment in your
life?
I think you called it.
Did you say fence post?
(17:45):
I love that um moment where youjust really were like this is it
, like this is what I'm reallycalled to be.
You know, on on the mission,you know, of course, going out
doing the thing, but thespecific thing for you was there
a moment when you really caughthold of that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, you know, I would say really, in the last
five years I've gotten moreclear than I ever have.
Some of that comes, as you said, with wisdom and age maturity.
You know, spiritual formationas you grow closer in Christ In
that there requires, I believe,intentional work on what it
means for me to be the fullperson that God has designed me
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to be, and so I have pursuedspecific pathways and life plans
and even additional assessmentsthrough scripture.
That has helped me kind of puta flashlight, if you will, to my
feet of like.
Okay, this is my calling.
And about five years ago, I'vealways known that God has called
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me to build His church and I'veknown that I can do that in the
business space, which I did,and I can do that in ministry
space, which I did.
And even with what I'm doingnow, there was this unique
opportunity that I began tolearn about discovering this
hidden potential throughintentional living and
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activating this hidden potentialin others.
And so, the more I did pastoralwork and education and again,
the fine-tuning, working withchaplains, executive coaches and
mentors, it became very, veryclear to me that this idea of
building His church was thelocal ecclesia and that is the
call to every believer as theybegin to understand their own
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unique calling and their commoncalling.
How do you continue to unveilthat hidden potential, call out
those giftedness and have themto be trained and sent?
So I would say, some of thatlanguage that I'm sharing about
now became clear about fiveyears ago and it has just been
this unraveling journey, in thesweetest and most gentle of ways
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, that God has just continued tounveil the.
I always call it.
I feel like I can seeoftentimes the back of the
tapestry, where it looks messyand strings are everywhere and
there's no coordination orpattern or rhythms, any of it.
But then, as he unveils some ofwhat's happening in the front,
as he's weaving that tapestry ofyour life, it's like, oh, my
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goodness, that's a sunset,that's the ocean, that's a
mountain.
It just shows you a little bitmore about what that looks like
and I would say, while not afence post moment, exactly the
last five years has been thatunveiling journey.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Do you find that a lot of people you know I often
say like in order to love yourneighbor, you have to love
yourself, and I think if wedon't really know who we are,
it's hard to love who we areright?
Do you find that a lot ofpeople you talk to really are
unclear in what they're calledto do or even to be?
I would say more so.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I think it's a gift for self-exploration, because
you're right, the greatcommandment to love the Lord,
your God, with all your heart,mind, soul and strength and to
love your neighbor.
But oftentimes we forget thatlast little part of that verse
as yourself.
And what a gift and a journeyto go on a self-exploration, to
discern, really, if God haswoven you creatively,
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beautifully, in your mother'swomb, what does that mean
actually?
And the more you know ofyourself, the more you know the
God that you serve and the more,therefore, you can give
yourself to the God that youserve.
And it is just such anincredible, remarkable journey.
To answer your second question,I find that many people don't.
There is an invitation toinscription.
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What is actually inscribed inthe very depths of your soul
versus this idea of, well, thisis my vocation, this is what I
do and this is my family.
It gets very, very surfacelevel, but there is an
invitation to inscription and Ibelieve that that's clear
throughout the scripturepassages.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, so overall, who would you like?
Who does the Lord say you arein the spirit?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Who does the Lord say that I am in the spirit?
Was that your question?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, do you have?
Like, has he given you justkind of an overarching like I'll
share with you?
Like he shared with me that I'ma woman of wonder and I was
like, oh, that is amazing.
Have you like?
Is there something that kind ofcomes to mind?
I don't know if you've donethis before, but I know I'm
totally putting you on the spoton this one.
But if you were to tellsomebody kind of this
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overarching, like, who is Brooke?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I would say my two words and that's how I would
clarify that for myself.
The work that I've done is mytwo words is that I exist to
honor God by manifestingmovement.
Manifesting movement andironically and yet not, if
you've ever done the discoveryand the definition of your names
first name, your middle name,your last name, maiden name,
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nicknames, etc.
That's a really fun place toexplore more about yourself is
by starting with your name.
Names in biblical times andeven as you read throughout
scripture is significant.
Even Jesus used names, right,and how he renamed people Peter
known as the Rock, james andJohn known as the Sons of
Thunder, right.
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So even the playfulness ofscripture looking at that.
But my name actually meansmovement of water and this idea
of manifesting movement.
I believe God's called me tomanifest the movement of
people's souls for the purposeof His kingdom mission in their
lives.
Which goes to that specialcalling, what is their unique
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design?
And then, second to that, theircommon calling in their
everyday lives where they live,work and play.
How are they showing up intheir space to bring this good
news?
Not just verbally or by passingout a Bible those are not wrong
, those are great but how theyshow up in those worlds as God
has uniquely placed them intheir context.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So I would say my two words are manifesting movement.
That is so powerful.
I'm going to write that down.
That I mean just knowing what Iknow about you.
That is so when you say it, howdoes it resonate with you?
Do you feel fire on it?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It is the most.
It's fiery but it's alsoliberating.
It's like when you can stepinto God's calling for your life
and be so clear about thevalues that you hold to, to the
personal mission that he hasgiven you and the invitation
that he has placed you in tolive it out.
It is the most freeing,fulfilling place to walk in
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every day.
And knowing that again inScripture talks about seeking
the kingdom first.
After you seek His kingdom,then you know what His call is
on your life and the uniquegifts he's given you.
You get to walk in freedom andfull confidence and knowing that
whatever seeds that you'resowing, god is going to multiply
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in exponential ways that wecould not think or fathom,
because he's God and that's thefaithfulness that will always
produce the fruit.
Obedience always produces fruit.
That's the faithfulness thatwill always produce the fruit.
Obedience always produces fruit.
So the more clear you are aboutyour unique calling and design,
the more faithful you can beinto the walk that he's already
called you into.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
So good, oh my gosh.
I feel like you could just saylike write this down and you've
got books in you.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I know you do.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
But I was wondering so, as you have been taking
these steps of obedience and we,we do as we are shown.
You know he gives us a go rightand at times there can be some
goes that, um, maybe your, your,your body, wants to say no, but
you know, k N O W, that he'scalling you into something that
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is beyond you.
Um, can you tell us maybe amoment that you've stepped into
something like that and given aradical obedient yes, yeah, I
talk about those fence postmoments I have clearly marked,
defined, yes moments, uncertainof what was to come.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
But knowing, while I make my plans, he determines my
steps.
And so the most recent fencepost moment, if you will that my
risk to go happened 18 monthsago.
Actually, I was a pastor at alocal church and I had been at
this local church for just overa decade serving on staff and
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then, eight years prior to that,serving as an unpaid staff, if
you will.
And so I had just this inkling,probably about three years ago,
that God was doing something,and I didn't know what it was,
but I knew that I needed to havetime for prayer, time for wise
counsel, time for scripturesearching His word will never
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leave me astray and then,obviously, deep conversations
with my spouse, and so I oftensay Adrienne, my husband is my
megaphone to the Holy Spirit.
So when I know he's alignedwith me, it's time for me to
take an action, to make a move,and so it was just over 18
months ago.
He looked at me and said, hey,I think this is time.
So I left, I gave my church asix-week notice.
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I wanted to make sure I saw usthrough our Christmas Eve
services.
We have a pretty big church, soI wanted to make sure I honored
the staff team there and alsothose who were going to be in
attendance over our eightChristmas Eve services.
And so Christmas Eve was mylast time there, december 24,
2023.
And I wasn't sure what was next.
I just knew that it was my timeto step out.
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And so, after months of counseland wisdom, and I took a
week-long quiet retreat, justwent through the book of
Nehemiah, went through severalPsalms, got back into the Sermon
on the Mount, I just asked Godto illuminate my path.
And it was about three weeksinto my exit that I had a phone
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call with Will Mancini, who isour CEO and founder of Run Free,
and he just said Brooke, Ithink that I would love for you
to come join us and be a part ofour team and help build what
we're doing within the area ofthe church across North America.
And so, again, my husband'slike I think this is right.
And so I told Will yes.
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And that was now, like I said,18, almost 19 months ago now,
and I have been building out thebusiness of Run Free since
January of 2024.
So it didn't take long for meto land on two feet, but I was
prepared, with the Lord, for itto take as long as it needed to.
Now that's a little scary,because we do have a dual income
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.
We have two kids and we'regetting our extended child to
college.
If you've ever done that, youknow it's expensive, and but we
just knew that God's bigger thanour bank account, god's bigger
than our house payment, god'sbigger than plans our kids have
for college.
And so we took the leap and Godwas faithful.
And again, it was three weeksby the time I ended my last job,
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I began this new work and I'vebeen trailblazing with Run Free
ever since.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I love it.
The build.
You know the build out.
The builder in you, like the.
I've called some people like anarchitect A-R-K.
You know, like the architect,you know helping build out
things that are just beautifulin ministry and doing things
different in business, right.
So as you stepped into thisrole, it sounds like it was just
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almost made for you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
It is funny that you say that because it has felt a
little hand in glove and justlike kind of the God wink of hey
.
So I'm going to take thatbusiness background of yours,
I'm going to take your ministryexperience, I'm going to take
your love for me and just asprinkling of that Enneagram 3.
And we're going to put all ofthat into motion.
For now, this new companycalled Run Free, and it has been
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such a gift.
It has been the deepest stretchwhere I have learned to embrace
and even love the gap,recognizing that my skills and
talents will only take me so far.
But there is this deep, deepdependence on Jesus because I've
stepped into something that isso significantly bigger than me
than my resume, than mycertifications, than my Bible
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classes.
It is so much bigger and inthat, just like this little
David and Goliath moment whereit's like okay, lord, like we
can save a giant, we can takethe hill, we can, but emphasis
we.
Because if it would be so mucheasier for me to take a job in a
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business that's already built,in a corporate sector where you
know there's protocol andprocedures and ROIs and PNLls
and all the fun acronyms thatbusiness brings, but in this
it's like, okay, what is god upto?
And we can't make the oceanwaves.
We could just get to grab thesurfboard and ride it with him.
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And that's where the freedomcomes in, where it's like I am
not responsible for creating thewave, I, I'm responsible for
watching it, staying ready forit and, when it comes, to get on
it as fast as possible and endwherever that waves washes
ashore, that's where we go, andso we have a deep, deep
pioneering spirit at Run Free.
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We are very agile and nimble,and it's primarily because we
just want to see where God is atwork and we want to join him in
it, and that requires thisloose hold to the agendas and
the knowledge and expertise thatwe all bring.
We have a team of 15 andcollectively the 15 of us have
over 300 years of ministryexperience.
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We have covered every positionin the church staff, from
worship communications,executive pastor, senior pastor,
church planner, next-gen pastor, missions pastor, discipleship
pastor.
We have covered every position.
So there is so much talent tothis team it can almost create a
mirage to make you believe.
Oh well, we can do this, oh myGod.
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And the funny thing is that Godis building His church and we
have a part in that, but wecertainly don't lead that he
does.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I mean I'm just seeing, like you know, the
Nehemiah, the wall that theyrebuilt, and there's all these
people stationed.
They all have their specialstations right and they helped
build the wall in such anexpedited amount of time I think
was it 52 days or somethinglike that 52 days, that's right
and to knowing Nehemiah'sposture, like if you go back
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into those chapters of thatbeautiful book, it's just so
pronounced with leadership,philosophy and methodology.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
As he lives, the first thing that he does before
he does anything is he talks toGod, he prays.
Nehemiah prayed.
He prayed again.
Like his prayer, life is thedirect result of the
accomplishment of what he did,not because of his hands and
because of his genius or hisexperience.
It's because he was simply aconduit, a faithful conduit, and
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God just used that and did thismiraculous thing and God got
the glory for it so so much.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Goodness, Nehemiah is like one of my favorites, so
good.
Yeah, I can't remember.
Is it Nehemiah 6, 3 or no?
That's not the right.
Um, sometimes I've had time withaddresses where it's like I'm
doing a good work and I'm notcoming down.
Um, I know that there's moments, as we're pioneering um, cause
I'm also pioneering as well,Like the trailblazing aspect of
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you know you're gonna havemoments where it feels like, um,
you know that, that temptationof, hey, you know, come down,
this, this, this is over hereand you have to keep focused on
the mission at hand.
Um, I guess there's kind of atwo-part question here of um,
what has been most stretchingfor you.
(33:57):
I know you mentioned thestretching cause I, I'm in it
with you.
I feel like I'm going to be asflexible as Gumby someday and um
, kind of the, the other part ofyou know the having to say I'm
doing a good work, I'm notcoming down.
Have you had people that havekind of tried to kind of
dissuade you from what you'redoing?
(34:18):
Maybe, like, but what if youknow that kind of stuff when you
first kind of came into this?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah.
So to answer your firstquestion, just about being
stretched, you know it'sinteresting.
I almost can equate it to whatI can imagine being a parent to
a grandparent.
I'm not a grandparent KristenOne day I pray I will be but
this idea of being a pastor inthe church, like you are very
tactically moving, strategicallymoving and even
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paradigmatically throughparadigm shifts, trying to move
things in the church.
But when you are working insideit's almost as though you can't
see the forest through thetrees.
So, coming on the other side ofnow working if you can imagine
now parenting my children to nowgrandparenting a number of
children, aka churches aroundthe country it has been a
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stretch for me not to justcandidly grow cynical because
you're seeing this local churchand after years and years of
experience and even brokennessand stuckness and complexity and
confusion you know it's notthat you want to come in with a
quick solve, but you ultimatelyhave to get down to the way that
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you're thinking and then tobegin to consider what would it
look like to think differently?
And that's the paradigm work.
So I would say, moving intothis role, specifically from
working in a church for so longto now working with a number of
churches.
There is a shift in how I've hadto approach my ministry work
even different denominationsbecause we work with various
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denominations, all faith tribesand churches of all sizes, and
so there is a nuance that I'vereally had to lean on the Lord
to just give me the words tospeak and thinking about the
questions that I'm asking,because it's very different to
work with a number of churchesversus working at a church.
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So I think that's different.
The other thing I've had toreally stretch and learn into is
just this idea of my own way ofthinking.
You know, I know I have a deepbelief that we are all a part of
the pastorhood, if you will,the pastorhood of all believers,
and not coming in in such a waywhere I want to dictate and
tell, but rather, as a churchvision coach, I really want to
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come in and be curious and findand unveil, because oftentimes
people cannot see when, again inthe church, the forest through
the trees, but rather when youstand back it's like, oh my
goodness, the trees, but ratherwhen you stand back it's like,
oh my goodness, actuallydiscipling people for worship
services.
Are we discipling people toworship God and then to live
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that out in their everyday life.
So being able to minister, tofacilitate towards and coach
around those has been a deepstretch for me personally, even
though it's a deep-seated belief, I think, coming to a way of
meeting people where they are,which we know Jesus was so
brilliantly perfect at doingthat right Versus just telling
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the Pharisees or telling Peteror telling the woman at the well
, he so deeply, carefully,thoughtfully, curiously met them
where they were.
So that's been a learning curvefor me.
But it comes to your secondquestion around people trying to
either convince or be concernedor even questioning some of my
decisions.
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A hundred percent, a hundredpercent of, like bro, this
doesn't make any sense.
I've been offered multiple jobsat nonprofits, other churches,
and again, that would be theeasy and the wide road.
For me those aren't wrongpositions or bad positions,
they're fantastic.
I've done both.
I just think that the road thatI've been called to is narrow
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and it's hard and it's long andit's arduous and still freeing.
So just listening to the stillsmall voice, right Like we know
that the world will be loud.
But that is just all the morereason for us to get incredibly
quiet with Christ in abiding, inconfessing, in open handedness,
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in quiet and just your regularpractices of fasting and you
know seeking counsel, fastingand you know seeking counsel.
All of that has to come intoplay before I think any, any
life decision is up for grabs.
And I will tell you, kristen, Ido.
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I begin each day before my eyesopen, I open my hands, I'm like
Lord, what will you and I dotogether today?
Why don't you surprise me?
My answer is going to be yes.
And when you live in such a way, it is totally scary, by the
way, like that's not secure orknown or controlling, but
there's a wrestling with yourflesh and the spirit.
We see that all throughoutscripture and it's like, okay,
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if we're really going to followJesus, if we're really going to
do that, there is a cross totake up.
And Jesus' cross was not light,nor was it easy.
But yet when we see thatscripture passage in Matthew 11
about how His yoke is easy andHis burden is light, it's
because he has the outcomealready.
Like we don't have to controlor manipulate those things.
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We just have to be so clearwith what God is up to, what he
is calling us to, and faithfullywalk in it.
So it becomes a little bit moreeasy for me to quiet those
noisy voices, because I have anenthusiastic yes, and so,
therefore, I have anenthusiastic no.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Ooh, can you say that again?
Somebody needs to hear that.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It becomes.
Let me see if I can rephraseand paraphrase to hear that it
becomes.
Let me see if I can rephraseand paraphrase.
Once I have abided and reallydiscerned the voice of what
Jesus is calling me to do, thepower of the spirit in my life,
it becomes very easy for me togive an enthusiastic yes,
because I've already definedwhat that clarity is.
So therefore I can also give anenthusiastic now.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yes, oh, it's so good man, like, let's just sit there
for a moment.
You guys need to just take thatto the Lord.
You know, later today what doesthat look like for you
listeners, wherever you'relistening?
So, as you've stepped into thisrole, I would love to hear you
know the work that you do.
Obviously you're having impact,right, you're seeing it, you
know.
Maybe it's not immediate, maybeit is, with some cases without
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you know, disclosing who you'reworking with or what have you,
unless you're, you know, privyto that, would you be open to
sharing, you know, maybe atestimonial of maybe some people
that you've worked with thatliterally couldn't see the
forest for the trees and you gotto help them just transform.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, I actually have one team that
comes to mind.
It's a church in Florida.
I can't share that.
There's a lot of churches inFlorida.
But leading out through thisidea of common calling, of how
we just go about makingdisciples, who make disciples,
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what does that actually tangiblyand practically look like in
the local church?
And so we're walking throughyou know, various tools and
creating really sound, safeconversations, wrestling even,
because in the local church,people oftentimes are attracted
to what we would call the lowerroom, meaning that they're
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emotionally tied to the place oh, the building is very close to
where I live.
The personality they love theteacher, the teaching pastor is
the best.
The programs gosh, like my kidslove the next-gen programs in
the kids' room.
Or the people, right.
So your four Ps of the people,the place, the program or the
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personality.
And oftentimes, as I was meetingwith this church team and we're
talking through the number ofthings, what does it actually
mean to be called to the upperroom, which is their purpose,
which comes down to a commoncall and special call?
So we're talking through thisdialogue and one pastor looks at
me and it's like Brooke, why,why do we make this so hard?
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Like we're looking at scripture, we see what Jesus did.
It's like the ultimate amateurhour when he calls the 12.
And then, like they're fightingwith each other and they're
asking all these questions thatJesus has already answered, and
like we're going to strike themdown.
You know, trying to punish thepeople who question Jesus, and
Jesus has given us such a clearmodel.
(42:47):
So we go back in the scriptureand we see in Luke 8, 1, luke 9,
1, luke 10, 1, and Acts 1, justthis beautiful pattern of how
Jesus disciples.
And this pastor looks at me andhe's like Brooke, why do we
make this so hard?
And it was like thisilluminating moment, just for a
second, to realize the HolySpirit's working in the lives of
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these pastors and this idea ofwho are you pastoring, how are
you practicing what it is thatscripture is telling you has
revealed to you already, and howopen posture in your spirit is,
open for what God wants toreveal to you next.
And then how do you begin tolive that out?
And so we started talking aboutjust kind of like your
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traditional North Americanchurch, and I'll share with you
what we did through thestorytelling with this
conversation, you know, okay, soI want my girls to learn how to
ride horses.
Okay, so they're going to go tothis church in Florida and the
first thing they're going to dois they're going to go to a big
room and they're going to hearall about horses and it's going
to be great, like all, like thedifferent kinds of horses and
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sizes, and how you get up andput the saddle on and then how
you get on top of the horse tobegin riding, et cetera.
And then from there you'regoing to go into a smaller
circle during sometime duringthe week and then you're going
to talk more about horses andwhat you learned from the big
room horse conversation.
Okay, then you're going to comeback before you hear more about
horses and you're going toclean the stables.
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All the horse stuff has got tobe cleaned up and the serving of
that has got to be done.
Never, any point, are people,are my daughters actually
getting on a horse?
As we began to spell this out inthe local church, the context
of worshiping on Sundays,serving on Sundays and getting
to a small group that's yourtraditional assimilation funnel,
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and what we're missing is themultiplication funnel.
We actually want people and inthis story, as I told it my
daughters to get on a horse.
They might get hurt, they mightfall off or, you know, they
might ride faster than they wantto, but there is this beautiful
opportunity in the learning toactually practice it and then to
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get feedback from it right.
So that's what this group, whatwe were doing with this
executive leadership team, isthat we were practicing, we're
learning about it.
Here's the tool for it.
And then the next seven days,your commitment is what They'd
make a commitment.
Next week, we would share ourcommitments Like this is what I
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learned, this is what it lookedlike, this is how I messed it up
, and this person that totallysaid no to Jesus, basically
because I think I shared thegospel wrong, or you know, we
celebrate all of it because it'sall progress, but it's this
idea of just where are wehelping our people to go to
their higher calling, that upperroom purpose for their lives,
the vision and the mission ofJesus for the local church, for
them.
(45:40):
So that was one of the thingswhen you asked that question.
It's just this.
It was this beautiful like oh,wait a minute.
And these guys and gals arepaid pastors, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
So I love the analogy too, right, the horse Like you
got to get on the horse andactually go and just look at a
horse all the time and justwonder, right?
So the discipleship framework Iheard you say like is very
clearly written in the Word andI would love for you if somebody
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is going, okay, that's great.
Maybe I've read it before Couldyou share that revelation with
what you saw specifically in theWord.
Maybe somebody is listeningfrom Africa today who has a
church and they're like, oh mygosh, that's what we're doing.
I love it?
Speaker 2 (46:34):
How do we flip the script?
Yeah, absolutely so,specifically when you watch the
pattern of Jesus and hisdisciple making.
What I love about the work thatwe get to do is that Jesus
didn't dismiss what we wouldcall today in the church the
assimilation funnel, where it'sthe gather, connect, serve.
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We want to gather on theweekends, connect in a group and
serve in the church.
That's beautiful.
Jesus did that.
He called masses of people andhe talked to them and it was
great because he did have anassimilation funnel.
Then Jesus also had what wewould call in our work the
multiplication funnel, where hespent time specifically with
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this few men and women that hecalled and invited and he
discipled and trained them andin the ultimate amateur hour he
let them practice Like theyweren't just sitting around the
campfire day in and day out.
They were, but he also gavethem the opportunity to go out.
He sent them out two by two,and then we see this beautiful
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proliferation of growth, when wesee the early church begin to
expand, in Pentecost, the upperroom with 120, then all of a
sudden, 3,000 are saved andbaptized, and so there is this
beautiful growth fromassimilation to multiplication.
So what we don't tell churchesis like hey, like, throw away
your funnel, don't gather on theweekends, Don't put people in
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the group.
It is just the genius of whatJim Collins would say is the end
.
The future of the church isreally found in a few, but those
faithful few.
Jesus multiplied the mission.
It doesn't mean that he did notcall the others, he invited
those.
But then those who came andstayed and were trained, he sent
.
So he equipped them, he calledthem, he trained them and he
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sent them.
And we see that that's some ofthe brokenness.
And even you look at churchdashboards and metrics and some
people call it nickel and noses,just kind of what people are
counting today.
But it's like gosh, what ifyour church is actually bigger
than what you're counting on theweekends?
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One of my favorite tools that wehave is called the crowd cloud
and it's this idea that everybeliever has their own church,
if you will, if you think aboutthe expansion of their influence
the other six days of the week.
So having them practice in thechurch is we're equipping them
to then send them out into theirworkplace, into their
neighborhoods, into theirchildren's schools, into the
volleyball courts or soccerfields or, you know, into all
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these places as you're travelingin the everyday world.
What does that actually looklike?
To equip them to be sent intheir local context by their
local church and that's thebeautiful part of our process is
the multiplication funnel.
So we want to layer those two.
We don't throw the baby out withthe bathwater because there's a
beautiful opportunity of theassimilation funnel, because
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there is a beautiful opportunityof the assimilation funnel, but
we call it instead of the GreatCommission.
We call it the Functional GreatCommission, where we don't want
to go out into all the worldand make worship attenders,
baptizing them in the name ofsmall groups, and to serve a few
hours a month.
That's actually not what Jesusdied for.
We want to move the finish lineand we want to continue to
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build out so that this localchurch, based upon their local
calling, can have specificdesign, ministry, innovation
around their local contacts tocall and train and send the
people that God has entrustedthem to do that with.
So yeah, that's a little bitmore framework around that.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You said it was crowd .
Cloud was the terminology thatyou use.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's one of the tools that we use and
it's just again this idea.
There's a really neat storyfrom a church, because again,
you think about the churchdashboards and what they count
this lady in this church.
She worked at Ace Hardware, soshe'd come on the weekends.
Of course Sunday attendance andshe'd serve.
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I think she served coffee was apart of her story.
But the other five days thatshe went to Ace Hardware she
knew every person that came intoher store by name, whether she
met them for the first time shewrote it down or if they were
regular customers, she made surethat she knew them by name and
she prayed for them and shewould offer as they came to
check out hey, I've been prayingfor you, Is there anything that
you want to share with me?
Is there a prayer that I canpray for you today?
Hey, do you have a local churchthat you attend?
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As I've been praying for you, Ifelt prompted to do this.
It is a bold testament thatthis woman is behind the cashier
your customer.
But the reality is is that lastwe checked, she had over 400
names that's bigger than somechurches and here she was being
called in the church and thechurch was like well, we need
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someone to lead this small groupand we need someone to hold
babies and we need someone toserve coffee and hold the door,
and that's great, like we needthose things.
And we're not saying no to that, we're saying yes and and here
she was.
The church had never really toldher hey, in your workplace,
what does that ministry actuallylook like?
How do you continue to expandyour gospel reach and be a crazy
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farmer throwing those gospelseeds where you live, work and
play?
She just took it by her own,calling for the power of the
work of the Spirit.
And we're thinking like how dowe create more ACE hardware
workers to embrace thatincarnational, missional
practitioner spirit that I am apastor wherever I go, to lead
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people to this incredible Saviorwho has changed my world, and I
want you to know Him.
His name's Jesus.
So that's just kind of anexample with one of the churches
that we worked with.
And when that story, thattestimony, came through, we're
like, okay, and are we going tocount her on our church metrics
for her local ecclesia, herlocal church, through Ace Harbor
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?
This particular church was not,but I would argue, why not
Exactly?
Why wouldn't we count that.
Why wouldn't we share that?
Why wouldn't we replicate that?
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And have her get up on stage and testify.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Uh-huh Right.
Practical tools Like this ispracticing.
How can we help our peoplepractice to be equipped and
trained as they come to us?
I love John Tyson.
He's one of my favorite pastors.
He is the pastor of the Churchof the City in New York and he
is probably one of the closestpastors that I've seen.
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That really embodies this, andhe had a sermon not too long ago
where he said hey, you knowwhat the game is actually?
Your six days of life, the hotdays.
So we're gonna help, we goingto get the playbook, we're going
to practice it up and thenwe're pushing you guys back out
into the game.
What a mindset, what a mission.
(53:20):
And so that's the privilege ofnow, kristen, what I get to do
with Run Free versus just doingthat in one church.
I get to do that with as manychurches as God would send to me
.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
So beautiful.
Oh my gosh, I am like just howhe's moved you into this
position, to be this, you know,woman of manifesting movement,
and it's happening in ways thatyou know.
25 years ago you probably neverwould have imagined this right,
you know 25 years ago, youprobably never would have
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imagined this right.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Right, that's right.
The church has never been moreprimed and positioned for what
God is up to right now and justthe movement of this next
generation watching these sparksof revival.
Like the church is moving incollege campuses, praise God.
And the church is moving in theworkplace, praise God.
And it's like local church,like you get to equip and deploy
your people.
Let's do it, and let's do itwell, because it's the
stewardship crisis.
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What a privilege andresponsibility we've been given.
And too much is given.
Much is required.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Well, I love everything you've shared today.
Well, I love everything you'veshared today.
If people are listening andmaybe they're a pastor or
they're they're they're reallygetting fired up by what you're
talking about.
How can people reach out to youand hear more about how you can
come alongside them?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
yeah, that's um.
I love the question.
Our website for run free,specifically, is just run free
dot co, run free dot co, andit's spelled just exactly as
it's pronounced just runR-U-N-F-R-E-Eco.
And I'm all over social, soBrooke Domek, instagram and
Facebook and X and so LinkedIn.
(55:03):
It's a great place as well.
And then, of course, my emailis on the Run Free website.
If there's questions or just tocontinue conversation, just to
pray and even get equipped, I'dbe honored to serve.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well, just one more question for you.
What are you looking forward tomost over this next year?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, I am looking forward to how God would use me
as a conduit for His church, forbelievers who are hungry, for
pastors who are hungry for theseincredible believers, no matter
the context, any sector, whofeel as though God is doing
(55:44):
something, but they can't quitename it, they haven't quite
codified it, they can't quitearticulate or inscribe exactly
what that means.
In my church, on my team, in myhome, with my children, I am
deeply passionate aboutunveiling that hidden potential
and calling it out and equippingit to move forward, which again
(56:05):
manifesting movement.
So I'm excited to see how Godis going to use what he has
entrusted to me the last 18months and how he will what I
believe and anticipate propel meforward to steward what he has
given me for the sake of thegospel.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yes, amen.
I am cheering you on, my friend.
It's so beautiful and thank youso much for your yes.
As we close today, I would lovefor you to just speak over the
one and I'm always focused onthe one that's listening in if
you could just get a vision.
Obviously, most of the timeit's it's women who are
(56:40):
listening in, but, um, if youcould just speak over them, if
there's something that's comingto mind to encourage them, if
you have a word of wisdom, wordof knowledge, and then would you
pray us out today I'd behonored for the one one I just
want to tear out, because I feellike what I'm hearing right now
from the spirit is that you'recalled yeah you are called, do
(57:03):
not wait and sit idle, do notbelieve lies from the enemy that
you are not enough, that youare not able or capable, that
your past dictates your future.
Speaker 2 (57:16):
for the one I want you to know, to believe and to
receive, you are called today.
Um, and with that I would loveto pray us out.
Thank you, lord Jesus, king,author and perfecter of our
faith.
Our Father in heaven, the loverof our souls, holy Spirit,
(57:40):
speak in this moment.
What a privileged time we'vehad together, god and I.
Just I'm so curious about whatyou're up, to God, and I just
I'm so curious about what you'reup to, feeling the stirring in
my spirit, god, knowing thatperhaps today is simply for the
one to receive this good news ina fresh, new way, to be
(58:00):
reminded that they are called.
There is a uniqueness to them,to each of us, and what a
responsibility and a privilegeand an invitation it is to
consider what that actuallymeans, what does it look like
and how do I begin to live itout with clarity, knowing that
(58:20):
clarity doesn't changeeverything, but certainly claims
clarity into next steps.
So, god, we lay our agendas downand we ask that you would just
continue to guide the steps towhich you are inviting us into
next, god, I thank you for thepeople who are listening,
whether now months or even yearsto come, lord, and for our
(58:43):
hosts and becoming very quicklya dear friend, kristen.
Lord, I'm asking for a blessingand your favor over her
ministry, over her marriage,over her family, god, as you
continue to call and equip herinto where she should go, lord,
that she would be so tetheredand anchored into you, into your
word, that she would knowexactly which way to go, whether
it be left or right.
(59:03):
May that be true for her,myself and everyone tuning in
today.
God, we love you and is worthyof everything we have.
You are worthy of it all.
So, lord, we pray this in theholy name jesus, amen amen.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Brooke, thank you so much for coming on today.
I'll probably have to have youon again in the future with
updates and more testimonies.
Um, I am going to close withthe anchoring verse over Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace in
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
(59:39):
So thank you again, brooke.
Thank you for being a bravevoice.
Who's setting so many free?
I'll be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye.
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