August 21, 2025 • 58 mins
In this episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes worship leader and singer-songwriter Reina Rose of Crowns of Glory. Reina shares her powerful testimony of following God’s voice, building a worship team from a prophetic word, and navigating deep grief through music and faith. From Northern California to the nations, hear how God opened doors, brought beauty from ashes, and used her voice to shift atmospheres. A must-listen for creatives, worshipers, and those stepping out in bold faith.
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Website - crowncreativity.com/musici
Reina's Book:
Sin Tastes Good: Nourishing Your Soul in an Empty Calorie World
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
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feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome my newfriend, Raina Rose, to the show.
(00:58):
I'm so excited to have her heretoday.
We've actually had some timeprior to us hitting record to
get to know each other better,and it's always so fun to meet a
new friend who feels like akindred spirit.
So give a little shout out toJulie for the connection.
And, Raina, would you be opento just telling us a little bit
about yourself before we getinto your story?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Sure, I always freeze up.
What do you want to know?
I'm a musician.
We're starting to do a lot ofconcerts with my band, crowns of
Glory, mostly in NorCal, butwe've been doing out in Nevada
and various areas as well.
I was telling you before theshow there's a possible
opportunity to play in Africa,but I'm not sure we'll do it.
(01:42):
So, yeah, right now I'm focusedon homesteading and music,
which, funny enough, has been aprayer that I like.
Literally had some passwordsset to the prayer of like home
and music.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Home and music.
So that was literally yourpassword and now you're like
you're unlocked into this now,yeah, and my husband suggested
that.
He's like you know if you needto change your password and now
you're like you it's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're unlocked into this now, yeah, and my husband
suggested that.
He's like you.
Know, if you need to changeyour password all the time, then
you just make it your prayer oh, I love that.
Oh, my goodness that's such agood idea, I'm gonna have to
take that now and now that whichprayers have moved on.
I can say that because it's notthe password anyway like my
husband says, sharing passwordsis like sharing toothbrushes,
(02:26):
because he's an IP guy that's agood one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I love that well, crowns of glory.
So I want to know more.
Names are really important tome and I'm sure maybe for some
of the listeners out there aswell.
But, crowns of glory, tell us alittle bit more about the name
of your band and how long haveyou guys been together.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So, um, where do I start?
I'll, I'll, I will rewind backto that story that I didn't tell
you before we um came on theair.
We're saving it, right, yeah?
So, uh, just after the pandemic, I went to a worship leader
conference which, um, sometimesI'm like, how did I even get
there?
Cc winan was literally leadingthe worship on the first night
of the worship leader conferencelike that's what level of
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conference it was, and, um, mostof the worship leaders there
were like huge churches andthings, and and I was just kind
of an individual and the Lordsaid go.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was there and I was tired and I was jet lagged and
I was like Lord, I feel likeleaving but I'm going to stay as
an act of faith.
So Cece Winans leading theworship, and she just almost
steps out of the way and theHoly Spirit moves so strong that
I hear in my spirit nearlyaudibly go up to SAC and build
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them a worship team.
And so I knew of one church inthe Sacramento area and I was
like, okay, that's a littlestrange.
The next day of the conferencethere's teachers from all over
the world.
My teacher's like, hi, I'm fromSacramento.
And I was like I think I'mmoving there.
The Lord told me last night andthen the next day of the
conference someone asked mewhere I lived and I was like I
think I'm moving there.
The Lord told me last night andthen the next day of the
conference someone asked mewhere I lived and I was like you
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know, I was living in Franceand all over the world.
Now I'm kind of between thesethree areas and I mentioned
Sacramento.
He says Sacramento is standingout the most.
You're going to do this, thisand this speaks a whole
prophetic word over me aboutSacramento.
So next day conference ends andI call the pastors of that
church, who I've only met twice,because they came right around
COVID and I said I think theLord wants me to build you a
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worship team and they saidthat's exactly what we've been
praying for.
The Lord said not to hireanyone because he'd send the
person.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What was the timeline on that for them?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
what that?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
what was the like, the timeline, the wait for them
for that?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
um.
So I went to the conference inJuly.
I called them while I was thereand I moved up there at the end
of August.
I just packed my littletwo-seater convertible with like
keyboards and guitars and asmuch clothes as I could pack in
there and took off.
At that point I didn't know ifthey were going to pay me
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anything, really, where I wasgoing to live and how that was
going to work out.
I just knew the Lord said go.
He confirmed it three times I'mgoing before I can change my
mind.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh, my goodness, I love this.
So go is like a big word for me, okay, and maybe for others.
You know Abraham was to the goas well, not knowing, like when
you said it was like he didn'treally know where he was going,
but he, he went, right, yeah.
So tell us a little bit moreabout like.
I know that there's many of usin this position either have,
(05:45):
like, followed the go, or maybethey're in a place of stepping
into the go, or they know thatthey're gonna go, which is a
rhyme and that's fun.
But tell us a little bit moreabout that experience.
Was this maybe one of the firsttimes that you took a big leap
of faith?
Or, um, like, what was thatexperience like for you?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Cause it's a huge shift right, the second time
I've taken a leap of faith whereGod just like, move somewhere
you've never lived and, um, goon, uh, and I talked to you a
little bit about the first timewhere I moved to Houston and
this whole like job, where I gotpaid to travel the world, uh,
worked out, and I talk aboutthat in my book, which I think
(06:27):
you're going to put in the shownotes.
So, um, we don't need to go inthat, but um, so yeah, I moved
up to NorCal and I moved in withsome people to start from the
church.
Uh, and that first bit I wastelling you before, you know,
just some things were notworking out in that particularly
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living situation and I was.
I like to literally go into mycloset and pray sometimes.
And I was in the closet likeLord, you can just take me now,
like through my book or whatever, but I'm good, like, just take
me.
Life is hard here on earth andI'm ready to be in heaven with
you.
And then, as I told you, like,I read about many prophets who
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had prayed the same thing to theLord and the Lord continued to
use them.
So, praise God, he did notanswer that prayer.
I'm thankful that you're hereto tell your story.
Yeah, and so I mean.
But from then on, like the Lordbrought in about a new living
situation which was wonderful.
I actually just had a dreamabout those people last night
and they were just like secondpair of grandparents to me.
(07:35):
And you know, my husband endedup walking into the church a few
months after I got there andhe's just an incredible man of
God who loves the word.
And then, within a month or soof me getting there, or less
like right away, that teacherwho actually lived like an hour
away in the Sacramento area.
(07:55):
He was doing a worship leadermeetup and starting this really
cool thing and I got to help setthat up.
And I remember driving homefrom it one day and the Lord's
like I brought you to NorthernCalifornia because this is where
Culture.
You have Bethel, you haveThrive, like you have multiple
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Christian music labels here justin Northern California, and I
didn't ever think about thatwhen I moved here.
And then from that worshipleader meetup I played them a
song I had written the nightbefore.
I was like hey, just sharingthis, I've just wrote it.
And my now guitar player islike that's so amazing.
Will you come jam that at mychurch with me after a worship
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leader meetup sometime.
It's like I said, sure, Ithought we were going to sit in
the pews and jam on the song.
This church had an entire musicstudio in it, bigger than any
studio I'd ever recorded inbefore, and I had recorded in LA
and Toronto and Franceeverywhere Biggest studio.
We record like two songs thatday and this band just kind of
forms around me organically.
(09:08):
And then you know, next thing Iknow we're recording a song.
Next thing I know we're outplaying in Reno or in the Bay
Area, you know, and just gettingamazing feedback that the
Lord's doing stuff through whatwe're doing.
And you know, I think the bestthing is like I didn't try to
make that happen, just the Lordmade it all come through.
(09:29):
Yeah, say that again, that Ididn't try to make it happen and
the Lord just made it comethrough.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean like, pull out, you look at you know
you had a place to live, you yougot a husband, got a band.
I mean what more can you askfor?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, and we were talking earlier, god blessed us
with an amazing home, like justpromised land flowing with milk
and honey.
Just we could never have done onour own.
And the Lord, the Lord, just hasgone before us and made crooked
places straight and, like we'vetalked about before, that it
doesn't mean when you take theleap of faith everything works
out immediately, but like hetests us and proves us and we go
(10:10):
through the hard things and healso blesses us.
He is the Father who gives goodgifts and I think some people
kind of I don't know, they'relike well, sometimes, god's
gifts, you know, maybe just wedon't think they're good.
I don't know if they're likewell, sometimes, god's gifts,
you know, maybe just we don'tthink they're good.
I'm like no, he says like ifyou know not to give your child
a stone if he asks for a loaf ofbread or not to give him a
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snake if he asks for fish.
Like God knows even more of thedesires of your heart and
especially like when you bringthose desires of your heart in
alignment with his will and whathe wants.
Like he blesses his childrenwith good gifts and, like we
talked about before, it doesn'tmean bad things aren't going to
happen.
We and I told you like we've hadseven deaths in the last two
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years um including a couple ofmiscarriages, but but at the
same time, like, yes, bad thingsare happening and I'm so ready
for people to stop dying aroundus would be really wonderful for
Jesus.
But I just see the blessingsthat he gives and I focus on
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those and I just praise him allthe time, you know, and I think
we forget to give God the creditsometimes when we walk into
these blessings.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yes, well, could you?
You know, maybe somebody who'slistening today who has walked
through a lot recently, and Iknow there are a lot of people
who have been walking through alot and I love how you know we
were talking a little bit abouthow, you know, in the storm
Jesus was.
He was just chilling, right.
So how do you stay in thatposture of even though the storm
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is happening, like people aremaybe wondering, cause you, you
do, you exude joy Like you are.
You truly exude like the fruitsof the spirit.
So I want to just let you knowthat.
I'm sure others are catchingthat.
But how do you stay in thatplace of joy through the pain?
How do you stay in that placeof joy through the pain?
How do you stay in that placeof hope and not get hopeless,
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hopeless right.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I think one of the things is, you know, the
Lord says to ask, to ask forthose fruits of the Spirit, and
that's something I mean since Iwas.
I mean I was saved when I was12.
When I was 12.
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And I mean like I was my thecops and my mom showed up two
minutes before I got on a buswith I didn't know it at the
time, but she was a prostitute'sdaughter and we were going to
Huntington Beach where her momwas.
Again, I didn't know thedetails behind it, but I was
running away from home and Inearly got on that bus like
within two minutes, and thenpart of my punishment was
actually to have to go to theseyouth group surf trip, which I
liked surfing.
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So that part was cool, but Idid.
I was like I don't want to hangout with these dorky church
kids, but um, but I got saved inthat time and, um, I remember
just praying to the Lord, evenat like 12 years old, like make
me a woman after your own heart,like David was a man after your
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own heart, like, make me that.
And I have a song that we playat shows called Lord Show Me.
I wrote when I was 18.
And it's just like show me thiswoman that you want me to be
Like.
Make me this, that's my prayer.
This woman that you want me tobe like, make me this, that's my
prayer.
Make me exude the fruits of thespirit because it's you made me
in your image.
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But when I fall into my ownfleshly person, I'm not that and
I know it.
And so I think, just asking youknow, those who ask shall
receive.
And like make me a person whohas peace that surpasses all
understanding.
Lord, make me that.
And we have to be careful.
I actually used to have a groupof friends that we would joke
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sort of a joke but we reallyfollowed through.
If you pray patience for me,you owe me flowers because I'm
going to get the trial thatdevelops patience.
You know, oh, yes, trial thatdevelops patience, you know, oh,
yes.
So I mean I think you also haveto want it enough to go through
those trials.
Like I'm sitting on the otherside of a lot of trials you know
we talked about my, my brother,dying and various things.
(14:17):
Like I'm sitting on the otherside of them at 41 years old,
but at 25 and 35 and 38, youknow I was still going through
many of it and there will bemore trials to come as the Lord
takes me to new levels and Ithink we have to be willing to
go through the trials and wehave to want those fruits enough
(14:38):
.
We have to want to pass thegauntlet to become the warrior
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Exactly.
Yeah, well, it reminded me of.
There's a verse that I havereally been focusing on quite a
bit, because I've I've beengoing through, you know, several
trials and things that wereunexpected this year.
Right Cause we all do, andJames one, two, it's counted.
All joy my brothers make trialsof various kinds, for you know
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that the testing of your faithproduces steadfastness, and let
steadfastness have its fulleffect, that you may be perfect
and complete, lacking in nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So, yes, that was one of my favorite verses growing
up, but I don't know why and,yes, that was one of my favorite
verses growing up but I don'tknow why.
And when people would ask mehow I was doing and I actually
was having a really crummy day Iwould say I'm developing
perseverance, even as like ayoung girl, this is what you're
focusing on.
I don't know why, because Ireally was pretty adverse to
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like welcoming any pain orsuffering into my life.
But there was something aboutJames 1, 2 through 3 that like
was on my wall and I loved thatverse for some.
You know, I think I would.
I did go through a lot.
There was a reason I wasrunning away from home when I
was that age.
You know, I went through a lotof pain and different things.
But yeah, and I can remember asearly as I don't know, maybe 16
(16:04):
or 17,.
You know you don't want to bethe person who's like yeah, I'm
fine, I'm good when you're notdeveloping perseverance.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's so good.
Oh my gosh, I love it.
Well, I guess this definitelyis a verse that is on point for
you and I know it is for otherswho are listening today, because
we do have a choice.
We can choose joy, even thoughit's not easy.
I've been even reminded of.
There's a song from StephanieGretzinger Dance Upon
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Disappointment is part of.
I think it's Steady Hard is thesong, I believe, but there's
part of it says you know, danceupon the disappointment and to
dance and you know, just do thething that you know the enemy
hates when you're in the word.
The enemy hates when you'reworshiping and dancing and
joyful, despite right.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, the word tells us that.
You know there's a season foreverything.
Solomon tells us.
And the word also tells us, youknow, to when you're sorrowful
to pray and when you're joyfulto praise.
You know there's a time foreverything.
I was telling you before theshow.
You know, with all these, thefirst person that passed in 2023
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was my husband's mom, and thenmy best friend jumped off a
bridge she had already done itonce and she finished it.
And then I had an uncle and agreat uncle, and then my stepmom
died at 59 last year, you know,and I was just like it's too
much, and I was just weeping inmy husband's arms.
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And we lost two babies this yearin pregnancy, you know.
And so, like I was just likeit's too much and I was just
wailing and weeping and I thinkthere is, you know, there's a
time for mourning and there'stime for weeping.
We can't skip that and skipright to the praise, just like
we can't skip the gauntlet andjust be the warrior, but we
can't remain in the gauntleteither.
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That will wear us down andnever become a warrior, and we
can't remain in our weeping, um,or we'll just become this
depressed person who never doesanything and we'll never get to.
You know the turning ourmorning into dancing, turning
ashes into beauty.
You know we have to allow Godto take the morning into dancing
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, but you can't skip the morning.
That means, I think, we're in asociety that's very
uncomfortable with grief, veryuncomfortable with messy unless
it's like Instagram messy wherewe've already come out the other
side and we're so great and wehave to remember that there is a
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time for weeping and there's atime for joy, and neither of
those times are to be our entirelife exactly exactly how.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
How have you?
How have you walked throughgrief?
Because I know that definitelyhas been.
Like you said, it's notsomething that in our society is
really I don't know.
There's there just isn't a lotof.
There's resources, right.
But you know, when I had acouple miscarriages right after
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I was saved, I did, I skippedover it and I was actually in an
inner healing session years agoand somebody had asked like,
did you grieve these babies?
And I said no, yeah, did yougrieve these babies?
And I said no, yeah.
So it's it's interesting you'dbring that up because I wonder
if, um, those listening havehave maybe skipped over that
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process.
I'm wondering what that lookslike for you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Um, yeah, I mean.
So we actually have a song thatwe play at certain events.
It's called please remember meme and it's a song I wrote for
my friend, travis hatch, when Iwas 18.
Um, he was doing like motocrossand after the motocross they
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were just kind of cruising outin the desert or whatever and he
flipped over his handlebars, itruptured his spleen and he died
on the way to the hospital.
He called his parents and said,hey, I'm fine, just want to let
you know I'm on my way to thehospital.
But he died and that was likeone of the first friends you
know and I'm.
Not many people have lost a,you know, a close friend that's
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your same age, at 18.
Like usually, you take a fewyears before that happens.
And then it was my brother Isang it at that best friend that
jumped off the bridge.
I sang it at her funeral and soI mean through song and we've
talked about how powerful songsare in healing and directing and
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even prophetically, songs canlead you.
Places is so powerful aboutbeing a worship leader.
I tell my band all the timethat you know the Lord sent the
worshipers out in front of thebattle.
They were the first ones to gothrough that.
The Lord is with you Again,making those crooked places
straight, paving the ways, andhe put the worshipers up front,
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that music, and so I think thereare times also that I'm.
There's no music, it's justweeping, you know.
But from that place, like theseeds of those tears create the
songs you know, there's anotherone, called Reaching Out, that
we play at a lot of shows.
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The Lord, show Me One, or I meanthe please remember me, is not
specifically to the Lord, it'smore about remembering your
loved one, but reaching outtalks about.
Like you know, lord, you catchevery tear in your bottle and my
heart and my song is reachingout to you, whether I'm in the
heights or in the low, like myheart and my song is reaching
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out to you and, um, you know,that was again from the seeds of
tears that I'm just like, lord,you catch every tear in your
bottle and I'm gonna write songsabout it and I'm gonna praise
you even though I'm in so muchpain and you wrote this when
you're 18.
I wrote that when I was probablylike 31.
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But yeah, so I've been writingsongs since I was like eight.
You know you were eight.
Yeah, we're still singing onesthat I've written since I was 18
, but I think I've lost most ofthe ones that were from like
eight years old.
But I remember sitting on abench.
At like eight years old I hadmoved to States, I had this
friend named Anathia and wewould sing Ace of Base songs and
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like write our own music.
I saw the sign.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know, like those picnic benches at like a park.
We would be like standing ontop of the picnic benches with
our arms in the air, like I sawthe sign and it opened up my
eyes, like if anybody having aconcert.
Oh my gosh, we had a hugeconcert.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I love this how did you like, was your family
musical?
Like, how did you let's go back, like yeah, back to how this
all began?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
um, so you got to see my uh grandmother's piano that
was behind me in the videoearlier.
And um, so she, I was tellingyou the story.
She taught in a tiny littletown of 800 people in um
southeast southwest, in umSoutheast Southwest Kansas and
um near Dodge city, if peopleknow where Dodge city is.
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And uh, from that tiny town of800 people, her piano students,
two of them went to come ontoCarnegie hall to play at
Carnegie hall in New York.
Um, my dad and his brothersthey are all played piano,
french horn and the.
The funny, a funny story from mydad growing up was um, him and
his brothers were playingfootball and uh, just kind of
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like uh, without gear and stuff.
They were just out in a fieldplaying football together and my
dad ran into my, into hisbrother to catch the ball and
his brothers oh, my brother, mydad's teeth went through his lip
, into his brother's head and mygrandma's driving them to the
hospital not saying are you okay, how are you doing?
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She, because my dad's teethwere through his lip.
He's like she goes, you'renever gonna be able to play
french horn ever again.
Oh, my goodness, that's what shewas upset about.
He did.
He ended up like getting aspecial mouthpiece and then he
healed and he was fine.
It just went to say, like howimportant she went to like the
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women's Mississippi college formusic or university of music, I
can't remember.
Music was very important to her, so it's like in the blood.
My dad definitely had us likeplaying a keyboard at home when
I was young and I picked upguitar at 15 and started writing
songs like okay on guitar, um,so yeah, it's, it's uh, at least
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on my dad's side been prettymusical.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah and the singing.
The singing aspect was that Idon't know.
I just I love hearing peoplesing.
I like my sister sings, I lovesinging.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I just don't have, like I'm not a professional
right get another opinionbecause I had a family member,
and I won't say which one, justto respect all family members um
, tell me when I was youngerthat my voice was nasally, and
that followed me, did it?
(25:36):
I mean prop, actually I was inan inner healing sozo, uh thing
too to where it was then.
That was just four years ago.
They were like your voice isn'tnasally at all, but I had this
fear that I might sound nasallybecause of this voice in my head
from an old, you know, fromwords, yeah, and so I think you
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know, maybe one person might'vesaid that.
But get a few, and especially,we can all train our vocals to a
certain level.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Sure and make a joyful noise anyway.
Oh, I do, I.
I do just see me in my car, inthe shower, in my house.
So did you like, did you haveany training, or did you, um,
just start singing and like, howdid how did this evolve to a
point where you're in a band now?
People, yeah, and I've been in.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Some music has been.
I call it the isaac.
I have put on the altar morethan once for the lord, like
where I've gone close toprofessional and then like just
sacrificed that isaac andvarious things um throughout the
years.
But my mom said that when I wasa little toddler, just barely
starting to walk, and if shewould like lose me in the store
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she would just follow thesinging until she found me.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I've had certain coaching before.
Sharia Biswinet was the worshipleader at our church in Calvary
Chapel, capo Beach, when I wasyoung, and she is oh goodness
(27:22):
what's his name?
It's, it's leaving me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
There's a certain vocal coach.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Hmm, coach Prince, I have a name filing cabinet yeah,
um, seth riggs, that's right,she was trained directly under
seth riggs, and seth riggs islike the vocal coach of prince
and um, lionel, richie and justlike all these huge names, and
so she was a direct student ofhis and I did take lessons from
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her whenever I could.
They were well over $100 eventhen, and it's funny because I
would be leading the worshipteam that the Lord asked me to
come up here and build, and I'mlike you know, I pay someone
$120 an hour to tell me where myvoice sucks, and so I know that
you're not asking for this, butif you're willing to you know,
(28:09):
receive constructive criticism,let me know, cause it's
different when you're not askingor paying for it, like when you
pay for it, you're like okay, Ineed to improve this, I need to
do that, I'm investing in this,and that's one thing I teach my
, my band and anyone who willlisten really like investing our
talents.
(28:30):
It's something that's been on myheart for several years now,
and like the parable of thetalents though you know, talents
were an increment of money inthat story invest finances, time
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, energy into our talents,whether that's voice or guitar.
My drummer's really great aboutgetting lessons and making sure
he's always improving.
If we're not investing in ourtalents, the opportunities God
would have given us will go tothe one who did just like the
parable of the talents.
The one who had 10 already isgoing to get the one Just like
the parable of the talents.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The one who had 10 already is going to get the one
from the one who didn't investAbsolutely, and that I mean that
crosses over really intoanything that gives in right.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, like if the Lord's giving us a gift in
something we can't just thinklike, oh, I'm so gifted.
Yes, right, you've got toinvest that gift.
If you don't invest that gift,the opportunities the Lord would
have given you in that areawill go to someone who did
invest.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right, wow, well, and over time I know you said you
laid this down, you know, kindof like Isaac, was that
challenging?
Because I can imagine, as youknow, for me, like we all have
different things that we'reanointed in, right, so I would
imagine that this youranointings and, from what I
gather from you, you'remulti-cautionate as well um,
(29:54):
what was that like to you know?
Was it a period of time thatyou just weren't, you know, out
there singing kind of more inthe hidden places?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
would you say, yeah, I think so what happened for me
was that, you know, I went to acertain level and the person
handling a lot of that, who wasa Christian, claim.
I don't know his walk, you know,just wasn't showing up like a
Christian and wasn't evenshowing up sometimes and seemed
to be maybe under the influenceof things.
(30:24):
And I was was like you knowwhat, if you can't manage your
life, you can't manage my careerand I'm going to just walk away
from all of this.
And, um, I, yeah, I just I waslike Lord, if all you want me to
do is like be a small cog inthe worship teams of wherever
you send me, I'll do that.
You know, and for a while Iwasn't even on't even on worship
(30:46):
teams.
After I moved, I was on aworship team in Monaco helping
lead that, and then when.
I moved back to the States COVIDended up hitting shortly after
and things, and I hadn't reallyestablished a home base to do
that at.
But I think it was good,because there's always that pull
.
I think, as a creative personand as a musician and someone
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who is the type of kid who wouldgive a concert on top of a
bench in the park, you know, um,there's that pull to be famous
or be um shining in your ownlight in a way, and I think,
through the sacrificing theIsaacs, god killed that to a
(31:32):
certain extent.
You know, and there's still.
I'll have to be in the middle ofworship sometimes and say get
behind me, satan.
If I hear that, like, oh,aren't they going to think your
voice is so good or think yourvoice is so bad, or any of that?
I'm like get behind me, satan.
This isn't even about my voiceand it is about my voice in some
(31:55):
ways, but it isn't about whatpeople think about it or what I
think about it, or how good I,how complimented I could be, and
there's a fine line in that.
I once had someone tell me thatmy voice is so beautiful.
They just stopped singingbecause they wanted to just hear
me sing and I was so upset thatI was like no, I want you to be
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praising the Lord.
And then a friend of mine hername is Mercedes Dolce and she
just has a voice of an angel andI had that same experience
where I just stopped singingbecause I wanted to hear her.
It was so, it was angelic.
And so yes, like there is that.
Yes, when you have a trained,beautiful, clear voice, you can
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lead people into his presence ina way that they just want to
bask in that, and sometimes thatmight not even be uttering the
words from their mouth for thatmoment, and that's okay, and
then you know.
So there's just a balance.
I think you know there was atime where I'm like, no, no,
it's not about me, you shouldn'tyou need to be worshiping.
But then the Lord gave me theexperience with a friend of mine
(33:03):
and I was like, oh my gosh, Ijust want to bask in the beauty
of your praise to the Lord.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yes, well it's.
I'm almost hearing like you're,almost.
You're like trail guides, rightCause I feel like I'm a trail
guide in a different way, butyou're you're a trail guide in a
in a different way to leadpeople to the throne room, right
, yeah, Through your voice.
And I always find it sofascinating because I love
worship music so much.
(33:30):
I love just, I'm listening mostof the day, honestly, and I
often I went to, actually wentto the one of the Bethel music
concerts last week and I mean itjust like takes you in whenever
I'm in like a corporate worshipevent and even with myself,
(33:52):
right, but there's definitelycertain songs and people and the
lyrics that it's basically it'skind of out of this world,
wouldn't you say.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Absolutely.
And you know, a lot of times weget hired to do like a big
Christian festival or someone'svision night for their church.
You know, it's usually kind oflike a bigger and a very
important event that they'rehiring us to come in for.
And we talked earlier aboutlike how the Lord told you to
(34:26):
get combat boots, because thereis a battle going on and a lot
of times maybe there'll be a lotof new believers or
non-believers coming to theseevents.
And so, as I think about, youknow, the worshipers leading the
battle, that we are preparingthe way for this battle to be
won, and when I you know, whenwe get feedback from pastors
(34:48):
saying, you know this, manypeople gave their lives to the
Lord last night and I reallythink it was the songs that you
chose and the words that yousaid in between it, which is,
you know, the Holy Spiritleading those words.
Or I told you earlier about likeone place that kind of seemed
like they were just not going toworship at all, like dry.
The room was dry and by the endof it they were on their feet
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worshiping and, um, one of theorganizers wrote me back like
you know, hey, that that wasfire and we, like everybody
wants you back, and not thatthey want us back, but but they
want that experience of beingled into his presence and the
the darkness being pushed back.
You know that particular group.
You know there was.
It was like recovery and stufflike that, and I think there was
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a lot of people in there thatlike wanted recovery but we're
not even there yet.
And to have that darkness pushedback and to be in in a place of
worship they're like bring themback.
We want that again and againit's it's being prepared for
where God's going to send you,and so it's it's about where God
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calls you to.
And again, like you said, thatcould be anything, not
necessarily music, music's mything, but whatever your thing
is that the Lord calls you andyou get prepared for that and
that.
And like when I'm having theband practice, you know I'm like
singing the lyrics as I'mbiking on my bike at home, like
(36:18):
to be able to sing these thingswhile I'm out of breath.
You know I'm having the bandpractice, so that by the time we
are our last practice before ashow, we're just rehearsing.
By the time we are our lastpractice before a show, we're
just rehearsing like we've gotit because we need to be
prepared for that battle andthen know that it's not us.
You know that the Lord iswinning the battle.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
And that we're just saying yes to whatever our part
is Like.
If we need to be Moses keepingour hands in the air, we have an
Aaron and a her on each side.
You know, keeping our hands up,like whatever it is, that needs
to be our part for the Lord todo what he needs to do.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Wow, well, I have kind of just a maybe a random
question for you, and maybeothers have have wondered this
before and I haven't Googled itor anything, so maybe I it was
just saved for you today.
Those ear things what is thepurpose of that?
Is there actually somethingcoming through there?
(37:17):
Oh yeah, Tell me all about that.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Have you ever been to a concert and you see those
floor wedges that are givingmusic back to the musicians?
No, okay.
So there's like some oldschools, they have these floor
monitors and a lot of churchesstill have that.
We actually bring our ownin-air monitors now because a
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lot of the big churches like Ising at Bayside out here
sometimes and they have it JesusCulture, bethel all of them are
going to have full-on tracks intheir ears, which at first is
really hard to get used to.
So in your ears you've got afull-on radio station going on
and it has the metronome, so youhear.
We also call it the click andit goes tick tock, tick tock.
(38:04):
So especially in these bigchurches, sometimes you're
playing with 12 musicians andyou're especially in these big
churches.
Sometimes you're playing with 12musicians and you're not.
You all haven't all playedbefore together.
Yeah, I've always wonderedabout that.
Yeah, like these big churches,when I, when I, sing at bayside,
you show up a couple hoursearly, you run through the set
once and then you play.
You've and you've maybe neversang with these people before
(38:25):
wow, so everyone needs to be ontrack.
So you've got tracks which isbasically like the karaoke
version of the song in a way, um, and then you've got the
metronome going click, click,click, click, click, click in
your ears so that everyone's onand nobody's like have you ever
heard a band where they're justlike not quite together?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
there isn't like.
You don't have that becausebecause everyone's on a click.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh, they're all, they're clicky, yeah.
But I have to tell you, onetime I was singing something
like super slow, like who am Ithat the highest king would?
Well, you know.
And so there was a problem withthe tech.
And the front of the house istalking to the person running
the tech and they're like thepassword to the computer is five
, eight, six, four, three, andI'm like would welcome me.
And it's in my ears going makesure you put it in this way and
(39:17):
I'm just trying to keep the song.
You know, super slow and all ofthis is happening and nobody
else in the audience knows it,you know, oh, but we just have
to keep going, but we have.
Yeah, there's a lot oftechnology these days and at
first it was so hard to get usedto because I was so used to
(39:37):
more of a live band kind ofsetting where you have no tracks
.
Um, and some friends of mine,when I first went and sang for
Bayside, they had seen me singwith live bands and I'm all over
the stage, my band.
So when I was young, one of myPE teachers told me girls don't
sweat, they glow.
And I told her then I'm glowinglike a pig.
(39:59):
My band always jokes like I amglowing like a pig by the end of
every show because I am allover that stage doing whatever
it takes to just bring peopleinto the presence.
You know, I'm like, yes, if Ihave a corded microphone, that's
like actually the cord goesinto the stage.
(40:19):
It is all tangled up by the endof the set.
Oh, this is a great visual.
Yeah, I'm just like I can'tstay still, even when I just
lead worship, like me, and aguitar, I'm all over the place.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I love it.
And so, yeah, I had a point,Thank you.
Well, thank you for you knowkind of cluing me into all that,
because I mean, when I'mwatching you know churches and
different you know videos, it'sjust like how do they do this?
(40:54):
Do they practice for a longtime, or is it just this?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And so everyone can.
The nice thing is, if everybodyhas the track, everyone can
practice to the track, and thetrack also tells you, like verse
two, three, four, and then yougo into the verse and, and
sometimes, though, the tracksays chorus two, three, four,
five, six, and then you need togo in on the six.
But if you have the tracks inadvance, everyone can practice
to the track.
(41:19):
They're practicing to the samething, and then they come on and
they're all together.
When I first started withbayside, though, I didn't have
the tracks and I just got thrownup onto the stage and my
friends who were used to seeingme all over the stage I was
literally just sitting there,kind of tick, tocking back and
forth with my body to try tostay on the click, and like just
petrified face, and they'recoming up to the stage with
(41:41):
little heart hands and they'regoing, smile, smile, and I was
just like so trying to stay withall this technology that I
wasn't used to.
And now that I'm used to it,though, I actually can worship
more because, having those guiderails on, I know exactly where
(42:01):
I'm going and so I can just bein worship because I don't have
to worry about.
Is the chorus coming next or isthe bridge?
The guide tells me and I'vepracticed it enough times where
I know exactly where we're goingthat's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So when you see somebody who pops it out, I've
wondered like what?
Why are they popping it out?
They're like I'm done with thisthing.
Do you know I'm talking aboutlike they'll just, yes, I do so.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It's not great for your ears if you a.
Oh, there was a remake of amovie that Lady Gaga was the
star in, and I'm trying to thinkof what it was, but anyway, so
you're not supposed to pop itout.
It's really bad for your ears.
I'm looking up now what theLady Gaga movie Um, I'm looking
(42:47):
up now Lady Gaga movie Um, oh, aStar is Born.
So in A Star is Born.
That was part of his problem ishe didn't want to use the in-ear
monitors and he ended up losinghis hearing because, um, and
that's what, when I wasrecording in Toronto, um, I
hadn't been doing shows oranything other than church yet.
(43:07):
And so they're like, it's reallynice to have you singing,
because a lot of these singersgo and they perform at all these
shows and it blows the hearingand they can't stay on key
anymore.
And so, like, as a singer, youwant to protect your hearing
almost as much as your voice,like they are just as important,
and so a lot of times they'llpop that ear out because their
(43:27):
sound mix isn't great, and like,actually yesterday we were at
rehearsal and my sound mix wasclipping, so, like when I get to
a high note, it would kind ofgo in the microphone, and so I
was singing a song really flat,and so I ended up popping the
(43:48):
ear out, which again is notgreat for my hearing.
That way I could hear my ownvoice.
Or sometimes when you're onstage you can hear the house,
like where the audience ishearing it.
You can hear your own voice.
Okay, yeah, so if your soundmix isn't great in there,
sometimes people will pop it out, or sometimes people like to
listen to the audience.
(44:09):
Um there, are really highquality ones that will help you
listen to the audience also, but, um, those are like thousands
of dollars fascinating.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
So let's let's segue a little bit to what is like
what was maybe one of the I'mhearing blooper like what was
one of the most um, crazy,blooper-y, like moments that
you've had in your singingcareer.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh goodness it's funny because, like, the
visceral memory is coming up butnot the actual thing.
You know, I know that, likeI've, I've absolutely had them
and I've used them as examplesto like my worship leaders to be
like.
You know, I did this the otherday and I just kept going
(44:56):
because there's not anything youcould have done about it.
Praise the Lord, they don'tstick with me.
That's so good.
Like you know, that happened.
We move on, yeah.
Well, I wanted you to share,like if you had something that
kind of came top of mind, tojust come to the point of like
and yet you still kept goingright, yeah, Something that
(45:19):
stopped you from moving, oh, Ican remember it was we were
leading worship at the churchthat I came up here to build the
worship teams for and uh, wehad a couple of songs with like
the oh stuff going on and Istarted singing like the totally
wrong ohs like that were from adifferent song, and all the
(45:41):
bands like looking at me tryingto figure out how do we play,
cause she's singing the wrongsong.
Oh, my goodness, and I juststopped it and I told the whole
congregation I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm singing the wrong song.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Man doesn't know where to go and like let's do
that again.
And I think, just like justcoming out with it like it's
totally my fault, we're going totry that yeah and there's like
trying to cover it up like oh,that's so good.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Wow, well, and you just if you guys have heard
she's, she actually has sang forus a little bit.
Um, what is your favorite songthat you've written?
Do you have a favorite?
Can you, can you nail one down?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
so I can say uh, uh, uh.
One of the favorites among likepeople who've listened to a lot
of songs is called half a heart, and that's not a christian
song.
It's actually a song about mebreak, getting a broken heart,
but it's really like I don'tknow it's it's a good song, it
just is.
Um, I've done that.
(46:45):
I did that with some guys fromGhana even, and I took my kind
of like countryish version of itand we put it to some Afro
reggae pop which was super cooland we made it like almost like
reggaeton of Africa type ofsounds.
And so we've taken these songsand honestly so all of my songs
I write with my like basic fiveguitar chords that I know.
(47:08):
Then my bands take some andmake some.
Just we do kind of like hardrock, christian music and they
just take them and make themamazing.
And so we have like what wecall the smelly cat versions,
which is how I wrote them, youknow, like Phoebe smelly cat,
and then we have the versionsthat we play and you know it's
(47:33):
hard to pick.
Maybe Lord Show Me the one thatI mentioned earlier that I met
I wrote at 18 because I felt Ifeel like maybe with all the
songs.
Really the Holy Spirit's justwriting them.
But I felt like at 18 I didn'teven know what half the lyrics
in that song really meant.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Like.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I.
I wasn't mature enough in myfaith to really I knew enough to
say, yeah, god, show me how tobe the woman you want me to be.
But like the rest of it, I feellike I understand more and more
, 20 something years later, youknow, like in 18, 30, yeah, more
(48:11):
than 20 years later like howold am I?
It's like prophetic over yourlife for sure exactly, and I
feel like maybe almost all mysongs are, because sometimes,
like you said, it's the seeds ofthose tears or seeds of some
sort of like groaning prayerthat my songs come from.
(48:31):
There's one, so Step Out is onewe play at a lot of shows.
It's one of those more upbeatsongs that you can start the set
with and like, get everybodyclapping and stuff, and that
one's about, you know, steppinginto a faith that frees and
finding all that we crave inJesus, so that one's more like a
beat.
But most of them, you know, aresome sort of groaning prayer,
(48:54):
like you catch every tear inyour bottle.
Or there's another one that'slike Lord, we say that we love
you and we say that we trust you, but only you know if we really
trust you.
We say these things, but do wereally understand how to
surrender?
Do we really understand howyou're there for us?
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And the song will be like thatyou're there always and then
it's like you're so much greaterthan we and the band's going,
you know, and it's like you'reso much greater than we and the
band's going, you know, and it'slike you're so much greater
than we could understand, somuch more than we could
comprehend, like we can't evengrasp, lord, how great you are
(49:39):
and um.
So I can't pick a song.
Like it's, it's in seasons, youknow that one will be a
favorite and the other will be,and sometimes I'm like, don't
even like a song for a second.
Oh, that one's not one of mybest or something you know we
can get critical of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Of course I think everybody can right that's where
it's like we need him.
We need him in all the thingsthat we do for sure.
Well, what?
What is on the horizon for youand the band Like?
Speaker 1 (50:16):
what are you guys anticipating and dreaming over
in all you're doing?
You know that's something thatwe've been talking about a lot
lately.
I don't think we're going to dothe Africa one.
You know, if the Lord puts iton our hearts strongly to go, we
will, but it hasn't seemedstrong on our hearts right now.
I think we're really enjoying,you know, something that's
(50:37):
within local flights or, youknow, within the United States
and maybe doing some moreconferences where you can go and
lead worship for the wholeweekend for a conference, or the
whole week, you know, becausejust seeing the transformation
that can happen in the nightwhen the Lord just prepares and
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we prepare our hearts so muchgoing into these, again, it's
not us, it's just us, um,clearing ourselves out to be
that vessel and being able towatch the lord pour like this
waterfall of blessing throughthis vessel.
I know it's so incredible.
(51:21):
So, yeah, maybe conferences,wherever the lord leads, you
know, um, yeah, someone said thewhite house.
One time I was like I'd be down, like I used to have a dream of
singing at the white house andI'm like, if the lord opened
that up, the lord, you know, thelord opens up some of my
craziest dreams that I'm likeyou know you could, who knows?
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I mean, from what I've heard about you so far,
nothing's, nothing's impossible,and I want to say that over
everybody else who's listeningtoday too, Right.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, and that's one thing I want to mention real
quick.
Yeah, we talked about walkingin miracles earlier.
Yes, you know that first timeyou walk in a huge miracle of
like a big leap of faith thatthe Lord asked you to take, and
you listening, and of course itall seems like you did the wrong
thing at first, but then youwatching it like how the Lord
opens doors no man could shutand just blesses you in crazy
(52:16):
ways or blesses people throughyou.
Each time you do that, it getseasier, it gets more familiar
anyway.
Maybe not easier, it might evenbe more challenging.
It gets more familiar anyway.
Maybe not easier, it might evenbe more challenging, but it
gets like you're better trainedfor it and you know how to do it
this time and you've got thosecombat boots and you know going
up that rope.
You've done a million times andyou can go up that rope.
(52:38):
That's even higher and evenhigher and even higher because
you've done the short rope.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yes, that's a whole word right there.
Yeah, we could keep going.
I might have to have you backagain sometime.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'd love that.
I just have really loved ourconversation.
We probably talked for like anhour and a half or two before we
did it's been so wonderful,amazing.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, if people are listening in and you know they
know somebody, or eventhemselves who would like to
have you, you know, come out ata conference or what have you,
what would be the best way forthem to get in touch with you,
or just get in touch with you in?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
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reina-rosecom.
They both go to the same spot.
So we're crowns of glory andour LLC is crown creativity.
I was telling you earlier, wedo everything you know through
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the company.
We tie their 10%, get thecompany it's presented and pay
out the band members and I justspeaking to, like my speaking is
on there for my book and allthat stuff as well, um, so yeah,
reina-rosecom, it's r-e-i-n-a?
Um.
Or crown creativitycom, um, our, you know, social media is
crown creativity band, um okay,yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Well, I'll be sure to put all this information in the
show notes as well, so you guyscan head there if you didn't
catch everything.
It has been a joy to have youon today.
As we close, I would love foryou to just think of the one
who's listening in and, if youthink of anything else that
you'd like, to speak over them.
And then would you pray us outtoday?
Sure.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
For the one, yeah, sure for the one yeah.
I would say find your quietspace.
For me I literally like prayingin the closet.
It's like a sensory deprivation,but maybe yours is nature,
maybe whatever, where maybe youcan get away from your phone,
(54:46):
that still quiet place where youcan actually hear the Lord's
voice, because his voice is notin the thunder and it's not in
the earthquake, it's not inthose big screaming things, and
we have to get quiet enough tohear the Lord.
So I would really say for thatone find the place for you that
you're still and quiet enough tohear his voice, so that you can
(55:09):
go to all these places that theLord wants you to go, because
he has amazing things for you,and all you have to do is listen
and say yes.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
And go.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
So, Lord, we just pray for everyone, god, we pray
for everyone under the sound ofour voices, lord, that they
would be blessed, indeed, thatthey would seek you and find you
, as they seek you with alltheir hearts, god, and that they
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would step into a place ofwalking in miracles.
God, we pray for this world,lord, we pray for peace on earth
and goodwill toward men.
We pray for revival in our day,god, we pray for your church to
rise up as your spotless bride,and we thank you that we can be
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a cog in that wheel, lord, thatwe can just be a small part of
your body, whether we are thefingernail or the hand.
God, that we get to be a partof this.
We praise you, lord, for allthat you're doing, for all the
ways you're going before us andmaking crooked places straight.
We praise you that, despitewhat may come, whatever trials
(56:27):
and tribulations, we can look toyour face, god, and we can
remain in a peace that surpassesall understanding.
We can have joy overflowing,and I pray this for everyone
listening now, god, that theywould be full of the fruits of
your spirit that they would askand receive In Jesus' name, amen
.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Amen, amen.
Reina, thank you so much andthank you for being a brave
voice who is setting others free.
So I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse for Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
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So cannot wait to have you onanother time in the future.
We will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Thanks, listeners, take care.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
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feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
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If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome my newfriend, Raina Rose, to the show.
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I'm so excited to have her heretoday.
We've actually had some timeprior to us hitting record to
get to know each other better,and it's always so fun to meet a
new friend who feels like akindred spirit.
So give a little shout out toJulie for the connection.
And, Raina, would you be opento just telling us a little bit
about yourself before we getinto your story?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Sure, I always freeze up.
What do you want to know?
I'm a musician.
We're starting to do a lot ofconcerts with my band, crowns of
Glory, mostly in NorCal, butwe've been doing out in Nevada
and various areas as well.
I was telling you before theshow there's a possible
opportunity to play in Africa,but I'm not sure we'll do it.
(01:42):
So, yeah, right now I'm focusedon homesteading and music,
which, funny enough, has been aprayer that I like.
Literally had some passwordsset to the prayer of like home
and music.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Home and music.
So that was literally yourpassword and now you're like
you're unlocked into this now,yeah, and my husband suggested
that.
He's like you know if you needto change your password and now
you're like you it's.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're unlocked into this now, yeah, and my husband
suggested that.
He's like you.
Know, if you need to changeyour password all the time, then
you just make it your prayer oh, I love that.
Oh, my goodness that's such agood idea, I'm gonna have to
take that now and now that whichprayers have moved on.
I can say that because it's notthe password anyway like my
husband says, sharing passwordsis like sharing toothbrushes,
(02:26):
because he's an IP guy that's agood one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I love that well, crowns of glory.
So I want to know more.
Names are really important tome and I'm sure maybe for some
of the listeners out there aswell.
But, crowns of glory, tell us alittle bit more about the name
of your band and how long haveyou guys been together.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So, um, where do I start?
I'll, I'll, I will rewind backto that story that I didn't tell
you before we um came on theair.
We're saving it, right, yeah?
So, uh, just after the pandemic, I went to a worship leader
conference which, um, sometimesI'm like, how did I even get
there?
Cc winan was literally leadingthe worship on the first night
of the worship leader conferencelike that's what level of
(03:16):
conference it was, and, um, mostof the worship leaders there
were like huge churches andthings, and and I was just kind
of an individual and the Lordsaid go.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was there and I was tired and I was jet lagged and
I was like Lord, I feel likeleaving but I'm going to stay as
an act of faith.
So Cece Winans leading theworship, and she just almost
steps out of the way and theHoly Spirit moves so strong that
I hear in my spirit nearlyaudibly go up to SAC and build
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them a worship team.
And so I knew of one church inthe Sacramento area and I was
like, okay, that's a littlestrange.
The next day of the conferencethere's teachers from all over
the world.
My teacher's like, hi, I'm fromSacramento.
And I was like I think I'mmoving there.
The Lord told me last night andthen the next day of the
conference someone asked mewhere I lived and I was like I
think I'm moving there.
The Lord told me last night andthen the next day of the
conference someone asked mewhere I lived and I was like you
(04:10):
know, I was living in Franceand all over the world.
Now I'm kind of between thesethree areas and I mentioned
Sacramento.
He says Sacramento is standingout the most.
You're going to do this, thisand this speaks a whole
prophetic word over me aboutSacramento.
So next day conference ends andI call the pastors of that
church, who I've only met twice,because they came right around
COVID and I said I think theLord wants me to build you a
(04:33):
worship team and they saidthat's exactly what we've been
praying for.
The Lord said not to hireanyone because he'd send the
person.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
What was the timeline on that for them?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
what that?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
what was the like, the timeline, the wait for them
for that?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
um.
So I went to the conference inJuly.
I called them while I was thereand I moved up there at the end
of August.
I just packed my littletwo-seater convertible with like
keyboards and guitars and asmuch clothes as I could pack in
there and took off.
At that point I didn't know ifthey were going to pay me
(05:09):
anything, really, where I wasgoing to live and how that was
going to work out.
I just knew the Lord said go.
He confirmed it three times I'mgoing before I can change my
mind.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh, my goodness, I love this.
So go is like a big word for me, okay, and maybe for others.
You know Abraham was to the goas well, not knowing, like when
you said it was like he didn'treally know where he was going,
but he, he went, right, yeah.
So tell us a little bit moreabout like.
I know that there's many of usin this position either have,
(05:45):
like, followed the go, or maybethey're in a place of stepping
into the go, or they know thatthey're gonna go, which is a
rhyme and that's fun.
But tell us a little bit moreabout that experience.
Was this maybe one of the firsttimes that you took a big leap
of faith?
Or, um, like, what was thatexperience like for you?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Cause it's a huge shift right, the second time
I've taken a leap of faith whereGod just like, move somewhere
you've never lived and, um, goon, uh, and I talked to you a
little bit about the first timewhere I moved to Houston and
this whole like job, where I gotpaid to travel the world, uh,
worked out, and I talk aboutthat in my book, which I think
(06:27):
you're going to put in the shownotes.
So, um, we don't need to go inthat, but um, so yeah, I moved
up to NorCal and I moved in withsome people to start from the
church.
Uh, and that first bit I wastelling you before, you know,
just some things were notworking out in that particularly
(06:48):
living situation and I was.
I like to literally go into mycloset and pray sometimes.
And I was in the closet likeLord, you can just take me now,
like through my book or whatever, but I'm good, like, just take
me.
Life is hard here on earth andI'm ready to be in heaven with
you.
And then, as I told you, like,I read about many prophets who
(07:13):
had prayed the same thing to theLord and the Lord continued to
use them.
So, praise God, he did notanswer that prayer.
I'm thankful that you're hereto tell your story.
Yeah, and so I mean.
But from then on, like the Lordbrought in about a new living
situation which was wonderful.
I actually just had a dreamabout those people last night
and they were just like secondpair of grandparents to me.
(07:35):
And you know, my husband endedup walking into the church a few
months after I got there andhe's just an incredible man of
God who loves the word.
And then, within a month or soof me getting there, or less
like right away, that teacherwho actually lived like an hour
away in the Sacramento area.
(07:55):
He was doing a worship leadermeetup and starting this really
cool thing and I got to help setthat up.
And I remember driving homefrom it one day and the Lord's
like I brought you to NorthernCalifornia because this is where
Culture.
You have Bethel, you haveThrive, like you have multiple
(08:27):
Christian music labels here justin Northern California, and I
didn't ever think about thatwhen I moved here.
And then from that worshipleader meetup I played them a
song I had written the nightbefore.
I was like hey, just sharingthis, I've just wrote it.
And my now guitar player islike that's so amazing.
Will you come jam that at mychurch with me after a worship
(08:47):
leader meetup sometime.
It's like I said, sure, Ithought we were going to sit in
the pews and jam on the song.
This church had an entire musicstudio in it, bigger than any
studio I'd ever recorded inbefore, and I had recorded in LA
and Toronto and Franceeverywhere Biggest studio.
We record like two songs thatday and this band just kind of
forms around me organically.
(09:08):
And then you know, next thing Iknow we're recording a song.
Next thing I know we're outplaying in Reno or in the Bay
Area, you know, and just gettingamazing feedback that the
Lord's doing stuff through whatwe're doing.
And you know, I think the bestthing is like I didn't try to
make that happen, just the Lordmade it all come through.
(09:29):
Yeah, say that again, that Ididn't try to make it happen and
the Lord just made it comethrough.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean like, pull out, you look at you know
you had a place to live, you yougot a husband, got a band.
I mean what more can you askfor?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, and we were talking earlier, god blessed us
with an amazing home, like justpromised land flowing with milk
and honey.
Just we could never have done onour own.
And the Lord, the Lord, just hasgone before us and made crooked
places straight and, like we'vetalked about before, that it
doesn't mean when you take theleap of faith everything works
out immediately, but like hetests us and proves us and we go
(10:10):
through the hard things and healso blesses us.
He is the Father who gives goodgifts and I think some people
kind of I don't know, they'relike well, sometimes, god's
gifts, you know, maybe just wedon't think they're good.
I don't know if they're likewell, sometimes, god's gifts,
you know, maybe just we don'tthink they're good.
I'm like no, he says like ifyou know not to give your child
a stone if he asks for a loaf ofbread or not to give him a
(10:31):
snake if he asks for fish.
Like God knows even more of thedesires of your heart and
especially like when you bringthose desires of your heart in
alignment with his will and whathe wants.
Like he blesses his childrenwith good gifts and, like we
talked about before, it doesn'tmean bad things aren't going to
happen.
We and I told you like we've hadseven deaths in the last two
(10:54):
years um including a couple ofmiscarriages, but but at the
same time, like, yes, bad thingsare happening and I'm so ready
for people to stop dying aroundus would be really wonderful for
Jesus.
But I just see the blessingsthat he gives and I focus on
(11:14):
those and I just praise him allthe time, you know, and I think
we forget to give God the creditsometimes when we walk into
these blessings.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yes, well, could you?
You know, maybe somebody who'slistening today who has walked
through a lot recently, and Iknow there are a lot of people
who have been walking through alot and I love how you know we
were talking a little bit abouthow, you know, in the storm
Jesus was.
He was just chilling, right.
So how do you stay in thatposture of even though the storm
(11:46):
is happening, like people aremaybe wondering, cause you, you
do, you exude joy Like you are.
You truly exude like the fruitsof the spirit.
So I want to just let you knowthat.
I'm sure others are catchingthat.
But how do you stay in thatplace of joy through the pain?
How do you stay in that placeof joy through the pain?
How do you stay in that placeof hope and not get hopeless,
(12:06):
hopeless right.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I think one of the things is, you know, the
Lord says to ask, to ask forthose fruits of the Spirit, and
that's something I mean since Iwas.
I mean I was saved when I was12.
When I was 12.
(12:30):
And I mean like I was my thecops and my mom showed up two
minutes before I got on a buswith I didn't know it at the
time, but she was a prostitute'sdaughter and we were going to
Huntington Beach where her momwas.
Again, I didn't know thedetails behind it, but I was
running away from home and Inearly got on that bus like
within two minutes, and thenpart of my punishment was
actually to have to go to theseyouth group surf trip, which I
liked surfing.
(12:50):
So that part was cool, but Idid.
I was like I don't want to hangout with these dorky church
kids, but um, but I got saved inthat time and, um, I remember
just praying to the Lord, evenat like 12 years old, like make
me a woman after your own heart,like David was a man after your
(13:11):
own heart, like, make me that.
And I have a song that we playat shows called Lord Show Me.
I wrote when I was 18.
And it's just like show me thiswoman that you want me to be
Like.
Make me this, that's my prayer.
This woman that you want me tobe like, make me this, that's my
prayer.
Make me exude the fruits of thespirit because it's you made me
in your image.
(13:31):
But when I fall into my ownfleshly person, I'm not that and
I know it.
And so I think, just asking youknow, those who ask shall
receive.
And like make me a person whohas peace that surpasses all
understanding.
Lord, make me that.
And we have to be careful.
I actually used to have a groupof friends that we would joke
(13:53):
sort of a joke but we reallyfollowed through.
If you pray patience for me,you owe me flowers because I'm
going to get the trial thatdevelops patience.
You know, oh, yes, trial thatdevelops patience, you know, oh,
yes.
So I mean I think you also haveto want it enough to go through
those trials.
Like I'm sitting on the otherside of a lot of trials you know
we talked about my, my brother,dying and various things.
(14:17):
Like I'm sitting on the otherside of them at 41 years old,
but at 25 and 35 and 38, youknow I was still going through
many of it and there will bemore trials to come as the Lord
takes me to new levels and Ithink we have to be willing to
go through the trials and wehave to want those fruits enough
(14:38):
.
We have to want to pass thegauntlet to become the warrior
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Exactly.
Yeah, well, it reminded me of.
There's a verse that I havereally been focusing on quite a
bit, because I've I've beengoing through, you know, several
trials and things that wereunexpected this year.
Right Cause we all do, andJames one, two, it's counted.
All joy my brothers make trialsof various kinds, for you know
(15:08):
that the testing of your faithproduces steadfastness, and let
steadfastness have its fulleffect, that you may be perfect
and complete, lacking in nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So, yes, that was one of my favorite verses growing
up, but I don't know why and,yes, that was one of my favorite
verses growing up but I don'tknow why.
And when people would ask mehow I was doing and I actually
was having a really crummy day Iwould say I'm developing
perseverance, even as like ayoung girl, this is what you're
focusing on.
I don't know why, because Ireally was pretty adverse to
(15:40):
like welcoming any pain orsuffering into my life.
But there was something aboutJames 1, 2 through 3 that like
was on my wall and I loved thatverse for some.
You know, I think I would.
I did go through a lot.
There was a reason I wasrunning away from home when I
was that age.
You know, I went through a lotof pain and different things.
But yeah, and I can remember asearly as I don't know, maybe 16
(16:04):
or 17,.
You know you don't want to bethe person who's like yeah, I'm
fine, I'm good when you're notdeveloping perseverance.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's so good.
Oh my gosh, I love it.
Well, I guess this definitelyis a verse that is on point for
you and I know it is for otherswho are listening today, because
we do have a choice.
We can choose joy, even thoughit's not easy.
I've been even reminded of.
There's a song from StephanieGretzinger Dance Upon
(16:35):
Disappointment is part of.
I think it's Steady Hard is thesong, I believe, but there's
part of it says you know, danceupon the disappointment and to
dance and you know, just do thething that you know the enemy
hates when you're in the word.
The enemy hates when you'reworshiping and dancing and
joyful, despite right.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, the word tells us that.
You know there's a season foreverything.
Solomon tells us.
And the word also tells us, youknow, to when you're sorrowful
to pray and when you're joyfulto praise.
You know there's a time foreverything.
I was telling you before theshow.
You know, with all these, thefirst person that passed in 2023
(17:14):
was my husband's mom, and thenmy best friend jumped off a
bridge she had already done itonce and she finished it.
And then I had an uncle and agreat uncle, and then my stepmom
died at 59 last year, you know,and I was just like it's too
much, and I was just weeping inmy husband's arms.
(17:37):
And we lost two babies this yearin pregnancy, you know.
And so, like I was just likeit's too much and I was just
wailing and weeping and I thinkthere is, you know, there's a
time for mourning and there'stime for weeping.
We can't skip that and skipright to the praise, just like
we can't skip the gauntlet andjust be the warrior, but we
can't remain in the gauntleteither.
(17:57):
That will wear us down andnever become a warrior, and we
can't remain in our weeping, um,or we'll just become this
depressed person who never doesanything and we'll never get to.
You know the turning ourmorning into dancing, turning
ashes into beauty.
You know we have to allow Godto take the morning into dancing
(18:18):
, but you can't skip the morning.
That means, I think, we're in asociety that's very
uncomfortable with grief, veryuncomfortable with messy unless
it's like Instagram messy wherewe've already come out the other
side and we're so great and wehave to remember that there is a
(18:40):
time for weeping and there's atime for joy, and neither of
those times are to be our entirelife exactly exactly how.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
How have you?
How have you walked throughgrief?
Because I know that definitelyhas been.
Like you said, it's notsomething that in our society is
really I don't know.
There's there just isn't a lotof.
There's resources, right.
But you know, when I had acouple miscarriages right after
(19:11):
I was saved, I did, I skippedover it and I was actually in an
inner healing session years agoand somebody had asked like,
did you grieve these babies?
And I said no, yeah, did yougrieve these babies?
And I said no, yeah.
So it's it's interesting you'dbring that up because I wonder
if, um, those listening havehave maybe skipped over that
(19:31):
process.
I'm wondering what that lookslike for you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Um, yeah, I mean.
So we actually have a song thatwe play at certain events.
It's called please remember meme and it's a song I wrote for
my friend, travis hatch, when Iwas 18.
Um, he was doing like motocrossand after the motocross they
(19:55):
were just kind of cruising outin the desert or whatever and he
flipped over his handlebars, itruptured his spleen and he died
on the way to the hospital.
He called his parents and said,hey, I'm fine, just want to let
you know I'm on my way to thehospital.
But he died and that was likeone of the first friends you
know and I'm.
Not many people have lost a,you know, a close friend that's
(20:16):
your same age, at 18.
Like usually, you take a fewyears before that happens.
And then it was my brother Isang it at that best friend that
jumped off the bridge.
I sang it at her funeral and soI mean through song and we've
talked about how powerful songsare in healing and directing and
(20:38):
even prophetically, songs canlead you.
Places is so powerful aboutbeing a worship leader.
I tell my band all the timethat you know the Lord sent the
worshipers out in front of thebattle.
They were the first ones to gothrough that.
The Lord is with you Again,making those crooked places
straight, paving the ways, andhe put the worshipers up front,
(21:04):
that music, and so I think thereare times also that I'm.
There's no music, it's justweeping, you know.
But from that place, like theseeds of those tears create the
songs you know, there's anotherone, called Reaching Out, that
we play at a lot of shows.
(21:24):
The Lord, show Me One, or I meanthe please remember me, is not
specifically to the Lord, it'smore about remembering your
loved one, but reaching outtalks about.
Like you know, lord, you catchevery tear in your bottle and my
heart and my song is reachingout to you, whether I'm in the
heights or in the low, like myheart and my song is reaching
(21:48):
out to you and, um, you know,that was again from the seeds of
tears that I'm just like, lord,you catch every tear in your
bottle and I'm gonna write songsabout it and I'm gonna praise
you even though I'm in so muchpain and you wrote this when
you're 18.
I wrote that when I was probablylike 31.
(22:08):
But yeah, so I've been writingsongs since I was like eight.
You know you were eight.
Yeah, we're still singing onesthat I've written since I was 18
, but I think I've lost most ofthe ones that were from like
eight years old.
But I remember sitting on abench.
At like eight years old I hadmoved to States, I had this
friend named Anathia and wewould sing Ace of Base songs and
(22:31):
like write our own music.
I saw the sign.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
You know, like those picnic benches at like a park.
We would be like standing ontop of the picnic benches with
our arms in the air, like I sawthe sign and it opened up my
eyes, like if anybody having aconcert.
Oh my gosh, we had a hugeconcert.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I love this how did you like, was your family
musical?
Like, how did you let's go back, like yeah, back to how this
all began?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
um, so you got to see my uh grandmother's piano that
was behind me in the videoearlier.
And um, so she, I was tellingyou the story.
She taught in a tiny littletown of 800 people in um
southeast southwest, in umSoutheast Southwest Kansas and
um near Dodge city, if peopleknow where Dodge city is.
(23:30):
And uh, from that tiny town of800 people, her piano students,
two of them went to come ontoCarnegie hall to play at
Carnegie hall in New York.
Um, my dad and his brothersthey are all played piano,
french horn and the.
The funny, a funny story from mydad growing up was um, him and
his brothers were playingfootball and uh, just kind of
(23:53):
like uh, without gear and stuff.
They were just out in a fieldplaying football together and my
dad ran into my, into hisbrother to catch the ball and
his brothers oh, my brother, mydad's teeth went through his lip
, into his brother's head and mygrandma's driving them to the
hospital not saying are you okay, how are you doing?
(24:16):
She, because my dad's teethwere through his lip.
He's like she goes, you'renever gonna be able to play
french horn ever again.
Oh, my goodness, that's what shewas upset about.
He did.
He ended up like getting aspecial mouthpiece and then he
healed and he was fine.
It just went to say, like howimportant she went to like the
(24:36):
women's Mississippi college formusic or university of music, I
can't remember.
Music was very important to her, so it's like in the blood.
My dad definitely had us likeplaying a keyboard at home when
I was young and I picked upguitar at 15 and started writing
songs like okay on guitar, um,so yeah, it's, it's uh, at least
(25:00):
on my dad's side been prettymusical.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah and the singing.
The singing aspect was that Idon't know.
I just I love hearing peoplesing.
I like my sister sings, I lovesinging.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I just don't have, like I'm not a professional
right get another opinionbecause I had a family member,
and I won't say which one, justto respect all family members um
, tell me when I was youngerthat my voice was nasally, and
that followed me, did it?
(25:36):
I mean prop, actually I was inan inner healing sozo, uh thing
too to where it was then.
That was just four years ago.
They were like your voice isn'tnasally at all, but I had this
fear that I might sound nasallybecause of this voice in my head
from an old, you know, fromwords, yeah, and so I think you
(26:00):
know, maybe one person might'vesaid that.
But get a few, and especially,we can all train our vocals to a
certain level.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Sure and make a joyful noise anyway.
Oh, I do, I.
I do just see me in my car, inthe shower, in my house.
So did you like, did you haveany training, or did you, um,
just start singing and like, howdid how did this evolve to a
point where you're in a band now?
People, yeah, and I've been in.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Some music has been.
I call it the isaac.
I have put on the altar morethan once for the lord, like
where I've gone close toprofessional and then like just
sacrificed that isaac andvarious things um throughout the
years.
But my mom said that when I wasa little toddler, just barely
starting to walk, and if shewould like lose me in the store
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she would just follow thesinging until she found me.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I've had certain coaching before.
Sharia Biswinet was the worshipleader at our church in Calvary
Chapel, capo Beach, when I wasyoung, and she is oh goodness
(27:22):
what's his name?
It's, it's leaving me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
There's a certain vocal coach.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Hmm, coach Prince, I have a name filing cabinet yeah,
um, seth riggs, that's right,she was trained directly under
seth riggs, and seth riggs islike the vocal coach of prince
and um, lionel, richie and justlike all these huge names, and
so she was a direct student ofhis and I did take lessons from
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her whenever I could.
They were well over $100 eventhen, and it's funny because I
would be leading the worshipteam that the Lord asked me to
come up here and build, and I'mlike you know, I pay someone
$120 an hour to tell me where myvoice sucks, and so I know that
you're not asking for this, butif you're willing to you know,
(28:09):
receive constructive criticism,let me know, cause it's
different when you're not askingor paying for it, like when you
pay for it, you're like okay, Ineed to improve this, I need to
do that, I'm investing in this,and that's one thing I teach my
, my band and anyone who willlisten really like investing our
talents.
(28:30):
It's something that's been on myheart for several years now,
and like the parable of thetalents though you know, talents
were an increment of money inthat story invest finances, time
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, energy into our talents,whether that's voice or guitar.
My drummer's really great aboutgetting lessons and making sure
he's always improving.
If we're not investing in ourtalents, the opportunities God
would have given us will go tothe one who did just like the
parable of the talents.
The one who had 10 already isgoing to get the one Just like
the parable of the talents.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
The one who had 10 already is going to get the one
from the one who didn't investAbsolutely, and that I mean that
crosses over really intoanything that gives in right.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, like if the Lord's giving us a gift in
something we can't just thinklike, oh, I'm so gifted.
Yes, right, you've got toinvest that gift.
If you don't invest that gift,the opportunities the Lord would
have given you in that areawill go to someone who did
invest.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Right, wow, well, and over time I know you said you
laid this down, you know, kindof like Isaac, was that
challenging?
Because I can imagine, as youknow, for me, like we all have
different things that we'reanointed in, right, so I would
imagine that this youranointings and, from what I
gather from you, you'remulti-cautionate as well um,
(29:54):
what was that like to you know?
Was it a period of time thatyou just weren't, you know, out
there singing kind of more inthe hidden places?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
would you say, yeah, I think so what happened for me
was that, you know, I went to acertain level and the person
handling a lot of that, who wasa Christian, claim.
I don't know his walk, you know,just wasn't showing up like a
Christian and wasn't evenshowing up sometimes and seemed
to be maybe under the influenceof things.
(30:24):
And I was was like you knowwhat, if you can't manage your
life, you can't manage my careerand I'm going to just walk away
from all of this.
And, um, I, yeah, I just I waslike Lord, if all you want me to
do is like be a small cog inthe worship teams of wherever
you send me, I'll do that.
You know, and for a while Iwasn't even on't even on worship
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teams.
After I moved, I was on aworship team in Monaco helping
lead that, and then when.
I moved back to the States COVIDended up hitting shortly after
and things, and I hadn't reallyestablished a home base to do
that at.
But I think it was good,because there's always that pull
.
I think, as a creative personand as a musician and someone
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who is the type of kid who wouldgive a concert on top of a
bench in the park, you know, um,there's that pull to be famous
or be um shining in your ownlight in a way, and I think,
through the sacrificing theIsaacs, god killed that to a
(31:32):
certain extent.
You know, and there's still.
I'll have to be in the middle ofworship sometimes and say get
behind me, satan.
If I hear that, like, oh,aren't they going to think your
voice is so good or think yourvoice is so bad, or any of that?
I'm like get behind me, satan.
This isn't even about my voiceand it is about my voice in some
(31:55):
ways, but it isn't about whatpeople think about it or what I
think about it, or how good I,how complimented I could be, and
there's a fine line in that.
I once had someone tell me thatmy voice is so beautiful.
They just stopped singingbecause they wanted to just hear
me sing and I was so upset thatI was like no, I want you to be
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praising the Lord.
And then a friend of mine hername is Mercedes Dolce and she
just has a voice of an angel andI had that same experience
where I just stopped singingbecause I wanted to hear her.
It was so, it was angelic.
And so yes, like there is that.
Yes, when you have a trained,beautiful, clear voice, you can
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lead people into his presence ina way that they just want to
bask in that, and sometimes thatmight not even be uttering the
words from their mouth for thatmoment, and that's okay, and
then you know.
So there's just a balance.
I think you know there was atime where I'm like, no, no,
it's not about me, you shouldn'tyou need to be worshiping.
But then the Lord gave me theexperience with a friend of mine
(33:03):
and I was like, oh my gosh, Ijust want to bask in the beauty
of your praise to the Lord.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yes, well it's.
I'm almost hearing like you're,almost.
You're like trail guides, rightCause I feel like I'm a trail
guide in a different way, butyou're you're a trail guide in a
in a different way to leadpeople to the throne room, right
, yeah, Through your voice.
And I always find it sofascinating because I love
worship music so much.
(33:30):
I love just, I'm listening mostof the day, honestly, and I
often I went to, actually wentto the one of the Bethel music
concerts last week and I mean itjust like takes you in whenever
I'm in like a corporate worshipevent and even with myself,
(33:52):
right, but there's definitelycertain songs and people and the
lyrics that it's basically it'skind of out of this world,
wouldn't you say.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Absolutely.
And you know, a lot of times weget hired to do like a big
Christian festival or someone'svision night for their church.
You know, it's usually kind oflike a bigger and a very
important event that they'rehiring us to come in for.
And we talked earlier aboutlike how the Lord told you to
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get combat boots, because thereis a battle going on and a lot
of times maybe there'll be a lotof new believers or
non-believers coming to theseevents.
And so, as I think about, youknow, the worshipers leading the
battle, that we are preparingthe way for this battle to be
won, and when I you know, whenwe get feedback from pastors
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saying, you know this, manypeople gave their lives to the
Lord last night and I reallythink it was the songs that you
chose and the words that yousaid in between it, which is,
you know, the Holy Spiritleading those words.
Or I told you earlier about likeone place that kind of seemed
like they were just not going toworship at all, like dry.
The room was dry and by the endof it they were on their feet
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worshiping and, um, one of theorganizers wrote me back like
you know, hey, that that wasfire and we, like everybody
wants you back, and not thatthey want us back, but but they
want that experience of beingled into his presence and the
the darkness being pushed back.
You know that particular group.
You know there was.
It was like recovery and stufflike that, and I think there was
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a lot of people in there thatlike wanted recovery but we're
not even there yet.
And to have that darkness pushedback and to be in in a place of
worship they're like bring themback.
We want that again and againit's it's being prepared for
where God's going to send you,and so it's it's about where God
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calls you to.
And again, like you said, thatcould be anything, not
necessarily music, music's mything, but whatever your thing
is that the Lord calls you andyou get prepared for that and
that.
And like when I'm having theband practice, you know I'm like
singing the lyrics as I'mbiking on my bike at home, like
(36:18):
to be able to sing these thingswhile I'm out of breath.
You know I'm having the bandpractice, so that by the time we
are our last practice before ashow, we're just rehearsing.
By the time we are our lastpractice before a show, we're
just rehearsing like we've gotit because we need to be
prepared for that battle andthen know that it's not us.
You know that the Lord iswinning the battle.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
And that we're just saying yes to whatever our part
is Like.
If we need to be Moses keepingour hands in the air, we have an
Aaron and a her on each side.
You know, keeping our hands up,like whatever it is, that needs
to be our part for the Lord todo what he needs to do.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Wow, well, I have kind of just a maybe a random
question for you, and maybeothers have have wondered this
before and I haven't Googled itor anything, so maybe I it was
just saved for you today.
Those ear things what is thepurpose of that?
Is there actually somethingcoming through there?
(37:17):
Oh yeah, Tell me all about that.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Have you ever been to a concert and you see those
floor wedges that are givingmusic back to the musicians?
No, okay.
So there's like some oldschools, they have these floor
monitors and a lot of churchesstill have that.
We actually bring our ownin-air monitors now because a
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lot of the big churches like Ising at Bayside out here
sometimes and they have it JesusCulture, bethel all of them are
going to have full-on tracks intheir ears, which at first is
really hard to get used to.
So in your ears you've got afull-on radio station going on
and it has the metronome, so youhear.
We also call it the click andit goes tick tock, tick tock.
(38:04):
So especially in these bigchurches, sometimes you're
playing with 12 musicians andyou're especially in these big
churches.
Sometimes you're playing with 12musicians and you're not.
You all haven't all playedbefore together.
Yeah, I've always wonderedabout that.
Yeah, like these big churches,when I, when I, sing at bayside,
you show up a couple hoursearly, you run through the set
once and then you play.
You've and you've maybe neversang with these people before
(38:25):
wow, so everyone needs to be ontrack.
So you've got tracks which isbasically like the karaoke
version of the song in a way, um, and then you've got the
metronome going click, click,click, click, click, click in
your ears so that everyone's onand nobody's like have you ever
heard a band where they're justlike not quite together?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
there isn't like.
You don't have that becausebecause everyone's on a click.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh, they're all, they're clicky, yeah.
But I have to tell you, onetime I was singing something
like super slow, like who am Ithat the highest king would?
Well, you know.
And so there was a problem withthe tech.
And the front of the house istalking to the person running
the tech and they're like thepassword to the computer is five
, eight, six, four, three, andI'm like would welcome me.
And it's in my ears going makesure you put it in this way and
(39:17):
I'm just trying to keep the song.
You know, super slow and all ofthis is happening and nobody
else in the audience knows it,you know, oh, but we just have
to keep going, but we have.
Yeah, there's a lot oftechnology these days and at
first it was so hard to get usedto because I was so used to
(39:37):
more of a live band kind ofsetting where you have no tracks
.
Um, and some friends of mine,when I first went and sang for
Bayside, they had seen me singwith live bands and I'm all over
the stage, my band.
So when I was young, one of myPE teachers told me girls don't
sweat, they glow.
And I told her then I'm glowinglike a pig.
(39:59):
My band always jokes like I amglowing like a pig by the end of
every show because I am allover that stage doing whatever
it takes to just bring peopleinto the presence.
You know, I'm like, yes, if Ihave a corded microphone, that's
like actually the cord goesinto the stage.
(40:19):
It is all tangled up by the endof the set.
Oh, this is a great visual.
Yeah, I'm just like I can'tstay still, even when I just
lead worship, like me, and aguitar, I'm all over the place.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I love it.
And so, yeah, I had a point,Thank you.
Well, thank you for you knowkind of cluing me into all that,
because I mean, when I'mwatching you know churches and
different you know videos, it'sjust like how do they do this?
(40:54):
Do they practice for a longtime, or is it just this?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And so everyone can.
The nice thing is, if everybodyhas the track, everyone can
practice to the track, and thetrack also tells you, like verse
two, three, four, and then yougo into the verse and, and
sometimes, though, the tracksays chorus two, three, four,
five, six, and then you need togo in on the six.
But if you have the tracks inadvance, everyone can practice
to the track.
(41:19):
They're practicing to the samething, and then they come on and
they're all together.
When I first started withbayside, though, I didn't have
the tracks and I just got thrownup onto the stage and my
friends who were used to seeingme all over the stage I was
literally just sitting there,kind of tick, tocking back and
forth with my body to try tostay on the click, and like just
petrified face, and they'recoming up to the stage with
(41:41):
little heart hands and they'regoing, smile, smile, and I was
just like so trying to stay withall this technology that I
wasn't used to.
And now that I'm used to it,though, I actually can worship
more because, having those guiderails on, I know exactly where
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I'm going and so I can just bein worship because I don't have
to worry about.
Is the chorus coming next or isthe bridge?
The guide tells me and I'vepracticed it enough times where
I know exactly where we're goingthat's incredible.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So when you see somebody who pops it out, I've
wondered like what?
Why are they popping it out?
They're like I'm done with thisthing.
Do you know I'm talking aboutlike they'll just, yes, I do so.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
It's not great for your ears if you a.
Oh, there was a remake of amovie that Lady Gaga was the
star in, and I'm trying to thinkof what it was, but anyway, so
you're not supposed to pop itout.
It's really bad for your ears.
I'm looking up now what theLady Gaga movie Um, I'm looking
(42:47):
up now Lady Gaga movie Um, oh, aStar is Born.
So in A Star is Born.
That was part of his problem ishe didn't want to use the in-ear
monitors and he ended up losinghis hearing because, um, and
that's what, when I wasrecording in Toronto, um, I
hadn't been doing shows oranything other than church yet.
(43:07):
And so they're like, it's reallynice to have you singing,
because a lot of these singersgo and they perform at all these
shows and it blows the hearingand they can't stay on key
anymore.
And so, like, as a singer, youwant to protect your hearing
almost as much as your voice,like they are just as important,
and so a lot of times they'llpop that ear out because their
(43:27):
sound mix isn't great, and like,actually yesterday we were at
rehearsal and my sound mix wasclipping, so, like when I get to
a high note, it would kind ofgo in the microphone, and so I
was singing a song really flat,and so I ended up popping the
(43:48):
ear out, which again is notgreat for my hearing.
That way I could hear my ownvoice.
Or sometimes when you're onstage you can hear the house,
like where the audience ishearing it.
You can hear your own voice.
Okay, yeah, so if your soundmix isn't great in there,
sometimes people will pop it out, or sometimes people like to
listen to the audience.
(44:09):
Um there, are really highquality ones that will help you
listen to the audience also, but, um, those are like thousands
of dollars fascinating.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
So let's let's segue a little bit to what is like
what was maybe one of the I'mhearing blooper like what was
one of the most um, crazy,blooper-y, like moments that
you've had in your singingcareer.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh goodness it's funny because, like, the
visceral memory is coming up butnot the actual thing.
You know, I know that, likeI've, I've absolutely had them
and I've used them as examplesto like my worship leaders to be
like.
You know, I did this the otherday and I just kept going
(44:56):
because there's not anything youcould have done about it.
Praise the Lord, they don'tstick with me.
That's so good.
Like you know, that happened.
We move on, yeah.
Well, I wanted you to share,like if you had something that
kind of came top of mind, tojust come to the point of like
and yet you still kept goingright, yeah, Something that
(45:19):
stopped you from moving, oh, Ican remember it was we were
leading worship at the churchthat I came up here to build the
worship teams for and uh, wehad a couple of songs with like
the oh stuff going on and Istarted singing like the totally
wrong ohs like that were from adifferent song, and all the
(45:41):
bands like looking at me tryingto figure out how do we play,
cause she's singing the wrongsong.
Oh, my goodness, and I juststopped it and I told the whole
congregation I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm singing the wrong song.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Man doesn't know where to go and like let's do
that again.
And I think, just like justcoming out with it like it's
totally my fault, we're going totry that yeah and there's like
trying to cover it up like oh,that's so good.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Wow, well, and you just if you guys have heard
she's, she actually has sang forus a little bit.
Um, what is your favorite songthat you've written?
Do you have a favorite?
Can you, can you nail one down?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
so I can say uh, uh, uh.
One of the favorites among likepeople who've listened to a lot
of songs is called half a heart, and that's not a christian
song.
It's actually a song about mebreak, getting a broken heart,
but it's really like I don'tknow it's it's a good song, it
just is.
Um, I've done that.
(46:45):
I did that with some guys fromGhana even, and I took my kind
of like countryish version of itand we put it to some Afro
reggae pop which was super cooland we made it like almost like
reggaeton of Africa type ofsounds.
And so we've taken these songsand honestly so all of my songs
I write with my like basic fiveguitar chords that I know.
(47:08):
Then my bands take some andmake some.
Just we do kind of like hardrock, christian music and they
just take them and make themamazing.
And so we have like what wecall the smelly cat versions,
which is how I wrote them, youknow, like Phoebe smelly cat,
and then we have the versionsthat we play and you know it's
(47:33):
hard to pick.
Maybe Lord Show Me the one thatI mentioned earlier that I met
I wrote at 18 because I felt Ifeel like maybe with all the
songs.
Really the Holy Spirit's justwriting them.
But I felt like at 18 I didn'teven know what half the lyrics
in that song really meant.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Like.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I.
I wasn't mature enough in myfaith to really I knew enough to
say, yeah, god, show me how tobe the woman you want me to be.
But like the rest of it, I feellike I understand more and more
, 20 something years later, youknow, like in 18, 30, yeah, more
(48:11):
than 20 years later like howold am I?
It's like prophetic over yourlife for sure exactly, and I
feel like maybe almost all mysongs are, because sometimes,
like you said, it's the seeds ofthose tears or seeds of some
sort of like groaning prayerthat my songs come from.
(48:31):
There's one, so Step Out is onewe play at a lot of shows.
It's one of those more upbeatsongs that you can start the set
with and like, get everybodyclapping and stuff, and that
one's about, you know, steppinginto a faith that frees and
finding all that we crave inJesus, so that one's more like a
beat.
But most of them, you know, aresome sort of groaning prayer,
(48:54):
like you catch every tear inyour bottle.
Or there's another one that'slike Lord, we say that we love
you and we say that we trust you, but only you know if we really
trust you.
We say these things, but do wereally understand how to
surrender?
Do we really understand howyou're there for us?
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And the song will be like thatyou're there always and then
it's like you're so much greaterthan we and the band's going,
you know, and it's like you'reso much greater than we and the
band's going, you know, and it'slike you're so much greater
than we could understand, somuch more than we could
comprehend, like we can't evengrasp, lord, how great you are
(49:39):
and um.
So I can't pick a song.
Like it's, it's in seasons, youknow that one will be a
favorite and the other will be,and sometimes I'm like, don't
even like a song for a second.
Oh, that one's not one of mybest or something you know we
can get critical of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Of course I think everybody can right that's where
it's like we need him.
We need him in all the thingsthat we do for sure.
Well, what?
What is on the horizon for youand the band Like?
Speaker 1 (50:16):
what are you guys anticipating and dreaming over
in all you're doing?
You know that's something thatwe've been talking about a lot
lately.
I don't think we're going to dothe Africa one.
You know, if the Lord puts iton our hearts strongly to go, we
will, but it hasn't seemedstrong on our hearts right now.
I think we're really enjoying,you know, something that's
(50:37):
within local flights or, youknow, within the United States
and maybe doing some moreconferences where you can go and
lead worship for the wholeweekend for a conference, or the
whole week, you know, becausejust seeing the transformation
that can happen in the nightwhen the Lord just prepares and
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we prepare our hearts so muchgoing into these, again, it's
not us, it's just us, um,clearing ourselves out to be
that vessel and being able towatch the lord pour like this
waterfall of blessing throughthis vessel.
I know it's so incredible.
(51:21):
So, yeah, maybe conferences,wherever the lord leads, you
know, um, yeah, someone said thewhite house.
One time I was like I'd be down, like I used to have a dream of
singing at the white house andI'm like, if the lord opened
that up, the lord, you know, thelord opens up some of my
craziest dreams that I'm likeyou know you could, who knows?
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I mean, from what I've heard about you so far,
nothing's, nothing's impossible,and I want to say that over
everybody else who's listeningtoday too, Right.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, and that's one thing I want to mention real
quick.
Yeah, we talked about walkingin miracles earlier.
Yes, you know that first timeyou walk in a huge miracle of
like a big leap of faith thatthe Lord asked you to take, and
you listening, and of course itall seems like you did the wrong
thing at first, but then youwatching it like how the Lord
opens doors no man could shutand just blesses you in crazy
(52:16):
ways or blesses people throughyou.
Each time you do that, it getseasier, it gets more familiar
anyway.
Maybe not easier, it might evenbe more challenging.
It gets more familiar anyway.
Maybe not easier, it might evenbe more challenging, but it
gets like you're better trainedfor it and you know how to do it
this time and you've got thosecombat boots and you know going
up that rope.
You've done a million times andyou can go up that rope.
(52:38):
That's even higher and evenhigher and even higher because
you've done the short rope.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yes, that's a whole word right there.
Yeah, we could keep going.
I might have to have you backagain sometime.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'd love that.
I just have really loved ourconversation.
We probably talked for like anhour and a half or two before we
did it's been so wonderful,amazing.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, if people are listening in and you know they
know somebody, or eventhemselves who would like to
have you, you know, come out ata conference or what have you,
what would be the best way forthem to get in touch with you,
or just get in touch with you in?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
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reina-rosecom.
They both go to the same spot.
So we're crowns of glory andour LLC is crown creativity.
I was telling you earlier, wedo everything you know through
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the company.
We tie their 10%, get thecompany it's presented and pay
out the band members and I justspeaking to, like my speaking is
on there for my book and allthat stuff as well, um, so yeah,
reina-rosecom, it's r-e-i-n-a?
Um.
Or crown creativitycom, um, our, you know, social media is
crown creativity band, um okay,yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Well, I'll be sure to put all this information in the
show notes as well, so you guyscan head there if you didn't
catch everything.
It has been a joy to have youon today.
As we close, I would love foryou to just think of the one
who's listening in and, if youthink of anything else that
you'd like, to speak over them.
And then would you pray us outtoday?
Sure.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
For the one, yeah, sure for the one yeah.
I would say find your quietspace.
For me I literally like prayingin the closet.
It's like a sensory deprivation,but maybe yours is nature,
maybe whatever, where maybe youcan get away from your phone,
(54:46):
that still quiet place where youcan actually hear the Lord's
voice, because his voice is notin the thunder and it's not in
the earthquake, it's not inthose big screaming things, and
we have to get quiet enough tohear the Lord.
So I would really say for thatone find the place for you that
you're still and quiet enough tohear his voice, so that you can
(55:09):
go to all these places that theLord wants you to go, because
he has amazing things for you,and all you have to do is listen
and say yes.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
And go.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
So, Lord, we just pray for everyone, god, we pray
for everyone under the sound ofour voices, lord, that they
would be blessed, indeed, thatthey would seek you and find you
, as they seek you with alltheir hearts, god, and that they
(55:41):
would step into a place ofwalking in miracles.
God, we pray for this world,lord, we pray for peace on earth
and goodwill toward men.
We pray for revival in our day,god, we pray for your church to
rise up as your spotless bride,and we thank you that we can be
(56:04):
a cog in that wheel, lord, thatwe can just be a small part of
your body, whether we are thefingernail or the hand.
God, that we get to be a partof this.
We praise you, lord, for allthat you're doing, for all the
ways you're going before us andmaking crooked places straight.
We praise you that, despitewhat may come, whatever trials
(56:27):
and tribulations, we can look toyour face, god, and we can
remain in a peace that surpassesall understanding.
We can have joy overflowing,and I pray this for everyone
listening now, god, that theywould be full of the fruits of
your spirit that they would askand receive In Jesus' name, amen
.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Amen, amen.
Reina, thank you so much andthank you for being a brave
voice who is setting others free.
So I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse for Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing, so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
(57:08):
So cannot wait to have you onanother time in the future.
We will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Thanks, listeners, take care.
Thank you.
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