November 13, 2025 • 58 mins
Former Ninja Turtles toy designer Howard “Quigley” Chang shares his redemption story and the God-given vision behind Ancientz—Bible-based collectible figurines reimagining heroes like David & Goliath. We talk faith-led entrepreneurship, identity, prayer, and launching at San Diego Comic-Con. Howard unpacks the Hall of Faith inspiration (Hebrews 11), his shift from serial entrepreneur to mission-driven creator, and why excellence beats perfectionism.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
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Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome HowardChang, who is also known as
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Quigley, to the show.
We had a chance to just catch upa little bit.
I've just met him for the firsttime today, and I actually
wanted to save hearing moreabout him until we hit record.
So before we get into yourstory, would you just tell us a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Hi.
Well, thank you for having metoday.
Um yeah, well, I'm um a formertoy designer from 1989 to 1996.
I designed hundreds of NinjaTurtle toys.
Some of you may have heard ofthem.
Um many decades later, it'sstill going.
That was my first job out ofhigh school.
(01:37):
And when I was doing it, I neverimagined they would be such
iconic collectible uh toysdecades later.
And the franchise is still goingstrong, movies are still coming
out, toys are still being sold.
And um, just a brief intro.
We just launched our new line offigurine collectibles, and they
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are Bible-based.
Um, they're characters from theBible, uh, stories that we love.
Um, it's not like Superman withsuperpowers or anything.
They are, for example, David andGoliath.
David was a small weak shepherdboy who overcame obstacles with
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faith, not with superpowers, butthrough his faith in God.
And I felt like the world needssomething like this instead of
more Pokemons or Spider-Mans.
And these are actually toys thatwe believe kids will actually
love to have.
Um, you know, it's not like youknow, Christianity is very
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popular in pop culture, or orare toy companies willing to
take on something with religiousundertones or of any kind, but
we are hoping, we're praying,and we just literally launched
this uh starting this year.
And we were at we were at ComicCon in July in San Diego, which
(03:05):
is like the biggest geekconvention in the world, right?
Okay, uh, we launched it, peopleloved it.
We there was a whole Christiancommunity there.
They came over and prayed forus, and it was just the most
amazing experience.
And uh our Kickstarter,unfortunately, it's gonna end
tomorrow.
Was struggling a little bitbecause we were we weren't
getting uh enough help fromKickstarter.
(03:27):
Uh we didn't have the marketingbudget that we were hoping for,
but you know, we we know thatthis is God's business, uh not
mine.
We're just working for him, andwe're doing our best, and I'm
here to share what it's allabout today.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
That is so amazing.
Yeah, when I saw um, you know,what what you're working on
right now, I was I was very umenamored and I wanted to hear
more about it, but and I wantyou to share more kind of about
what you're doing now, but Iwanted you to back it up a
little bit.
So you're working like straightout of high school, you you
know, get into doing the ninjaturtles.
(04:03):
Where were you at like in yourfaith at that point back in the
in those days?
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
You know, uh growing up, we were uh immigrants from
South Korea.
And uh uh immigrants living inSouthern California, going to
church was more of a socialthing for my parents.
Okay.
So, you know, we would just go.
Um, you know, sometimes we wouldmiss.
It was just one of those thingswe did on Sundays.
Um, you know, as a child as ayoung person, I didn't see my
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parents really pray at home.
So when we go to church, I wouldend up in Bible study, Bible
school, uh uh Sunday school.
Okay you would learn about allthese things, and there were
just stories, and we knew aboutit.
And the whole culture being um achild, I came when I was six
years old.
I was just literally I startedpeace uh kindergarten all the
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way up to high school.
Um, I just thought of church assomewhere you you go to be good.
Okay, uh maybe cleanse yourself,but if you don't go, it's not
good.
It's just a positive negative.
So yeah, I believe in uh in aGod, but I didn't have anything
what you would consider as arelationship or or a deep deep
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knowledge of him or or umdependence on him at all.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Yes.
So you you you didn'tnecessarily have the
relationship, you did have youknow some foundation.
Um, and I can imagine like goingright out of high school.
Did you did you go to college todo like design, or what did that
look like right out of highschool?
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, uh out of high school, I was gonna go uh I I
was gonna start at Cal StateUniversity of Long Beach here in
Southern California, and it's aschool known for the arts.
Uh it was um up against ArtsCenter, which was one of the
best schools here.
So yeah, I was gonna studyillustration or maybe design.
(05:59):
Um you know, I didn't knowexactly, but during that summer,
um, I was gonna start a job atBlockbuster.
It was like a video rentalplace.
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
We might have to explain what that is to some of
our audience.
I know what you're talkingabout.
SPEAKER_02 (06:15):
People used to have devices at home where you rent
or buy these tapes that looklike a large cassette tape, and
you stick it in the machine andyou play videos and movies.
So that was a rental place.
And um, before I started, my momdecided, hey, you're you're
always good at art, winning youknow, drawing competitions and
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everywhere.
So she found an ad in thenewspaper.
I went in and they hired me onthe spot just to maybe because
uh I was young, I wasaffordable, and I was willing to
do anything.
So they hired me.
I was a mold maker, and somehow,some way, uh, I feel like God
was part of it.
(06:57):
But Playmates Toys, the companythat just started uh
manufacturing and distributingthe Ninja Turtles, which in
1988, it was a major hit.
They couldn't keep it in thestores.
So I joined in 1989 a yearlater.
I didn't know what the NinjaTurtles were, it was just a job.
And they asked if anyone drew inthe office, and my bosses Steve
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Arner, Eddie Mosquetta, theycalled me, hey, you know how to
draw, right?
So yeah, they uh asked me to umdo a quick mock-up of a fugitoid
toy, which today is is acollector's item, right?
But I just did it a quicksketch, and there was a machine
called a fax machine back then.
(07:41):
Similarly, they faxed it over.
I went home, I came back thenext day, I didn't have my desk
anymore.
They're like, I thought I gotfired, but they go, No, you have
your own office from now on,you're just drawing all day.
So I was 18 years old.
I start I started drawing ninjaturtles and it became a job
while going to collegepart-time.
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I was going to part-time school,part-time uh work because they
couldn't design and createenough ninja turtles in time.
SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
Oh my gosh.
Wow, so I mean, quite a story.
I mean, this uh wouldn't you saythis is a little atypical for
somebody?
SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
It's definitely atypical.
I have kids now who are uh 16,three kids, 16 to 21, and
they're having a hard timefinding a job, right?
But I had the job that my schoolclassmates dreamt of after they
graduated.
I I was already living it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
Wow, wow.
And at that time, like were youpraising God or you just kind of
weren't you're just kind oflike, oh, this is just
happening, you know.
Like, what did that look like?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (08:48):
I was at that stage, didn't really depend on God, I
didn't really know him.
It was just it was just just ajob.
Yeah, I didn't uh when I wasdoing it, I didn't realize what
a kind of blessing it was.
I just it was just a job to goto.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
Okay, and how long did you do that work?
SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
Uh almost eight years.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay, so quiggly, you gotta tellus a little bit more about that.
SPEAKER_02 (09:14):
So aka aka quigley.
Um so that summer, after thesummer was over, I told my
bosses I gotta go to college,and so I have to quit.
And they were they weren'thaving it.
I mean, they were uh apparentlymaking a lot of money designing
the toys.
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It was a sculpting company, theywould build out the prototypes
to send to the factories to gettooling done and everything.
But since I came in, we're nowdesigning the toys that we're
gonna sculpt.
And I think I was at a pointwhere 80% of my drawings were
were being approved by PlaymatesToys to manufacturer, so we were
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creating our own workconstantly.
So when I said I was gonna go,they were upset about it.
And you know, uh my the the vicepresident uh Eddie Musqueta,
kind of the the comedian of thethe studio, he's like, No, you
don't you don't you don't quit,you're fired.
(10:17):
You're fired Howard, you'refired that it sounded as cool,
so he came the next day.
He found a character in theJetsons cartoon when you're
yelling, Quigley, you're fired.
So it's stuck ever since.
And um, a book came out fiveyears ago.
Um, all these drawings I didback then, there was thousands
(10:37):
of them.
Um, so me and another co-worker,uh, a couple of co-workers, our
work was featured in this400-page book.
Uh, it's called Varner StudiosSketchbook, and it says Howard
Quigley Chang.
Um it's spelled Q-U-I-G-G-L-Y.
That wasn't what EddieMosquetta, my old boss, wanted
(10:59):
to uh imagine the spelling tobe, but it's sure he would have
had just one G.
Yeah.
But but it's sad.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Wow, I love it.
Well, so go back to you know,the you were there for eight
years.
Like, what trend what did end uptransitioning you out of that
role then?
SPEAKER_02 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean, it was eight years.
I didn't take one vacation.
SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
We were just so busy one vacation.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
No, it was like an eight year well.
I was going to school, you know,finished school, still uh going
through that uh the workprocess, and um I was do I was
designed not just Ninja Turtles,there was Star Trek, there was
uh Exos Squad.
We did uh we did a lot of HappyMeal toys, like the big doubles,
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yeah, toys and everything.
But uh after a while, you know,yeah, I had skills to draw and
and and design, but it wassupposed to be a hobby.
I was supposed to enjoy it, andI didn't enjoy it anymore.
And there was a point I hadfriends at home waiting.
I came back after a long day ofdesigning Ninja Turtles, and
(12:05):
they're like, Howard, you coulddraw, can you draw me something?
And I snapped back, you want meto draw you something?
Pay me.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so something I enjoyedbecame work, and then uh long
story short, I quit, I left, andthen um I went through all these
(12:26):
different businesses.
I was a serial entrepreneurlaunching my own toy, toy, many
toy importing business.
To I got into computerprogramming, I was running
fashion businesses,manufacturing, wow, automotive
parts.
Uh yeah, we did every I dideverything for 20 20 years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:45):
Wow, 20 years.
It reminds me of um, do you knowthe story of like the Kentucky
fried chicken guy?
Have you heard his story before?
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah, like he he got successful at age 55 or 60.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah, later on, and he had so many different things
that he dipped his toes in, likeso many different realms that
were like they were sodifferent, right?
But he was also a serialentrepreneur.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
Yeah, so I'm gonna launch Quigley's uh fried
chicken.
SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
Yeah, and that could be a great thing to go with
everything you've done.
Um, I just think it'sincredible.
Like, I truly, you know, I Iresonate with being like an
entrepreneur, like in my blood,like it's generational.
Um, is this something that waslike generational for you and in
your family as well?
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
Like, I mean my dad was a uh chemistry teacher, and
then he became uh he ran his ownuh painting contracting
business.
Yeah, he had a fleet of paintingtrucks that used to go out every
morning, and that was about it.
Wow business.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Well, what like what did you love most about um
stepping into like theentrepreneur world?
Like, did you know what you weredoing when you first got
started?
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
No, you know what?
It was a hundred percentambition.
Uh I had an ambition to umbecome a successful businessman.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:10):
Uh so long story short, I did uh I think the I
listed about 24 businesses thatI can remember where businesses
meaning I had a bank account, Istarted uh I got a license, and
we started at business cards.
I'm just collecting all thesebusiness cards I had back then.
Yeah, so uh yeah, uh a couple ofthem did well.
(14:32):
I mean, we we we got intomanufacturing hats for uh five
years, we went from zero totwelve billion dollars in sales
in four and a half years.
So that was one thing, uh late90s, and then I've been running
and still running a digitalmarketing company.
Uh like I would help companieslike you uh social media and get
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out there to Google ads andthings like that.
And it's that sustained me forthe last 20 years.
It was like a side business thatI had, but now that I look back,
that was my main business.
SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
Was it that my so out of all of them, like which
one has been because I I feellike um a lot of what I focus on
with women is really getting tothe core of their identity and
destiny, and I feel like untilwe kind of know what that is,
what God's given us, we mightkind of, and it's I'm not saying
anything about like tryingdifferent things because I I
feel like I'm multi-passionate,probably how you are too.
(15:28):
Um, but until you kind of get ahold of like that God-given
identity and destiny, um, youknow what I'm saying?
Like, had did you have thatmoment of like, okay, like I I
really know what I'm beingcalled to do?
And kind of going back to theoriginal question, like which
one was your favorite and howdid that tie into your you know,
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identity and destiny as well?
SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
Well, the the company I explained when I first
introduced myself, uh, is calledAncients with the Z at the end.
Ancients with the Z.
Um, I truly feel that was Godcalling me, and everything that
I did in the past, evenmanufacturing, even computer.
I was a software uh programmerfor six years.
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I love that uh put that togetherwith my toy design.
And uh I'll explain more later,but that was God putting in
everything in his perfectingredient, and here I am, um,
launching this line.
And I feel like this is reallywhat my calling is.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Love that.
Wow.
So when did you have like this?
Did you did you have a dreamabout this?
Like, what did it look like forancients to am I saying that
right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:40):
Ancients, ancients with the Z.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
A-N-C-I-E-N-T-Z for everybody who's listening.
SPEAKER_02 (16:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
Um, like what did it look like for you to step into
this?
Did you have a dream?
Was it a vision?
Tell us a little bit more aboutit.
SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
You know how I said I was running around doing all
different businesses?
I really felt like there was auh I don't know, identity
crisis.
Uh I'm not here, I'm I'm doingit, I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, I have the ambition tomake this something, but do I
belong here?
I mean, I I really didn't feellike I belonged in the software
(17:14):
programming because youliterally have to read uh
thousands of pages ofprogramming books a year, right?
And that made me hate reading.
It was really a tough time.
Um, even manufacturing, Ienjoyed it.
Am I a manufacturer?
No, but I felt like God reallygave me a gift to uh be
(17:36):
creative, right?
And I felt uh during the wholetime of doing all these
businesses, I felt like I wasabandoning my true calling.
Um, so it was almost like I'mcheating on myself.
But about 12 years ago, um, thisis where my my faith journey
begins.
Uh I have I was married, I hadthree kids, and uh as my
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therapist used to say that youknow, my ex-wife, she really had
some issues before connectingwith anybody, and I really
couldn't connect with her in anylevel.
If you can't connect with hereven having a regular
conversation, how can youconnect physically or or
emotionally, right?
So it was um tough 10 years ofmarriage for me where I felt the
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loneliest I've ever been.
Uh I went through depression,anxiety.
Uh um, I thought I knew a lot ofthings about life, and I found
out I knew nothing about life.
And I was a father of threekids, and eventually that led to
a divorce um 12 years ago.
So while I was going through thedivorce, um, that's when I had
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my first real encounter withthat with God, and he literally
picked me up like out of theashes, and it took one friend
while I was going through thedivorce, and I was a complete
mess.
I was uh um depressed, I wasdidn't even know what depression
was.
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Uh apparently the psychiatristsaid, Hey, you know, you've been
you're lucky to be alive, andyou're a complete mess
physically and emotionally.
Because for about seven years Iwas avoiding the marriage bed
because I was constantly afraidof being rejected every night,
right?
So I was avoiding the bed,overworking myself, and I was
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averaging three to four hours ofsleep a night for seven years.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
And my psychiatrist said, you know, most men they
don't they die after a year ofthat, and you did that for seven
years.
You were doing all-nighters atleast two, three times a month
for seven years, right?
Um, so I was on heavy medicationand so depressed, I was still
drinking heavily during thattime, which is a no-no, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
So you can only imagine what kind of a mess I
was, like internally,internally, and externally.
And I was outside one time and Iwas smoking a cigarette outside,
looking like my own self.
And a friend of mine came by andjust looked at me.
He goes, Howard, this is toomuch for you.
You cannot you can't handlethis.
(20:24):
You have to just let it go, letit go.
Those three words, let it go,and give it to God.
And you know, I didn't, like Isaid, I didn't really believe
that God was something somebodythat can do that.
But the moment I heard thosethree words, I just wait to say
just disappeared.
I felt light again.
(20:45):
And so, since those three wordsthat day, same day, I went
online, I was just wonderingwhat happened.
And a friend of mine uh um foundme on Facebook and just a casual
conversation.
Howard, how have you been?
I go, Oh, good, you know, I'mjust gonna get a divorce.
And she calls me right away andintroduced me, introduces me to
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a church she's going to thatsaved her marriage.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
So somehow I went there, uh, went to this men's
retreat, and I told God, hey,you know, I've known you, yeah,
but this time I'm gonna try forfor once to follow these steps.
I don't know how to do it, butthey told me I have to go to
church every Sunday, I have topray every day, and I have to
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read the Bible every day.
So if I do those three things,please God, uh, will you not
leave me this time?
And that was 12 years ago, hehas not left me since, right?
And so since I've uh thatmoment, um you know, my my
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parents, my dad, knowing mypast, I was um in and out of
getting arrested all the time inmy 20s.
I've had multiple DUIs.
I he picked me up from jail, soI had that life growing up,
right?
And he was ex anticipating uhafter after I get divorced that
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he's gonna have to pick me upfrom jail, right?
He's already thinking in hishead what he knows of me.
And he was at my house one day,and I walk in, and he was just
shocked.
Like he's looking at me and he'slike, Are you okay?
I'm like, Yeah, what are youtalking about?
He's like, You look so good.
(22:37):
What do you mean?
Yeah, so I so I went up andlooked in the mirror, and I did
look refreshed.
And I realized it was uh for me,it was just me following the
steps, but me um following thosethree things, reading the Bible
and praying and going to church,it changed me.
Like my skin got better, right?
Um I'm smiling, I have noworries.
(23:01):
Uh it's amazing.
I mean, if you just yeah, theHoly Spirit did all that, but
just how those three simplethings can help you more than
any skincare regimen or or orany therapist.
Oh, I'm sorry, I mean I'm justI'll go to you, Chris.
(23:22):
But I'm saying it's better thanall of those things, right?
It's just the hope and the joythat comes out of that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:30):
Yes.
Well, thank you so much forsharing that part of your story.
Um, I too, I was actually savedfrom addiction when I was 25,
and I look back, I was sharing alittle bit about this yesterday,
even.
And I look back at pictures andI'm like unrecognizable.
And it reminded me, I don't knowif you know this verse, um,
Psalm 34.
I immediately thought of whenyou're sharing is um Psalm 34,
(23:52):
5, those who look to him areradiant and their faces shall
never be ashamed.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Do you know that is and isn't so powerful?
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
It sounds sounds exactly like what I just
described.
SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
I mean, truly, it's that um, I think 2 Corinthians 5
17, like you're a new creation,literally.
And you look back and you'relike, who was I?
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
So so so like I'm sorry, like that time when I was
going through prayer, right?
So I was experiencing miracles.
Um the craziest miracles you canimagine, but um so when people
pray, um I hear uh friends andand um brothers and sisters
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talking about how they getanswers, how they get hope, how
they get um just uh more uhinsight on what they need to do.
But for me, I would get visionsand images in my head, in my and
in my dreams.
And one of those uh things wasancients, what we have today.
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These were the robotic imagesthat would just pop up while I'm
praying.
And 12 years ago, while I was Ithink my wife, ex-wife just
left, and I was you know stuckwith three little kids, four,
six, and nine.
Um, we were doing you know, justuh co-parenting, and I had the
kids Monday through Thursday,it's the busiest days of the
(25:24):
week, right?
Taking them to three differentschools.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
So I'm learning how to be a single dad.
And I remember looking at theChristmas tree, and I go, hey,
this is Jesus' birthday.
We're celebrating a Christ'sbirthday.
What can I get my kids that'smore Bible-facing or or or
faith-facing than buying anotherPokemon, right?
And then I looked online, Icouldn't find anything.
(25:49):
I mean, it was like nothing.
Oh, Christian or any biblicaltoys or um any entertainment
options were just so outdated.
Yeah, I guarantee if I got oneof those toys for my kids, they
would cry and probably not talkto me.
SPEAKER_01 (26:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
But so I'm thinking uh I put two and two together,
and that's when I realized thisGod, He gave He gave me this
experience of designing the mosticonic toys that's still
running, right?
And that was one of the biggestlines of toys in pop culture.
And all these images coming inmy head, I go, you know what?
(26:32):
There could be something herewhere we could break into cut
pop culture with biblicalfigures, yes, right.
And yeah, um, and then it tookthis long to finally launch 12
years later.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
Wow, so this was like a vision that you had 12
years ago.
Like, what did you what did youdo with the vision?
Because I'm I'm just imaginingsomebody listening in today, and
um like you, I I get a lot ofvisions.
I think in pictures, I'mconstantly seeing things.
Um, he drops dreams, and I don'tknow about you, but sometimes I
get a lot, and it's like, wow,there's a lot here.
(27:09):
Like, do you put it?
Did you put it in a journal?
Like, how did you like keeptrack of this?
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
Yeah, well, what happened was I for the first
time in decades, I pulled out mypencil, started sketching things
out again.
Um, and I actually have a coupleof larger um uh canvases.
I I threw some of these picturesinto.
And it's it's kind of like Idon't know if you saw that Close
(27:37):
Encounters of a Third Kind moviea long time ago, William
Dreyfus.
No, I haven't.
Well, he was seeing visions ofUFOs, and he he would make his
whole living room into thissculpture.
Well wow, I felt a little bit ofthat energy, and I was like, I
like just was just painting it.
And at that time, I was runninga marketing company, and I had
(28:00):
some employees, and I had two ofthem just start sketching, and I
was drawing, and you know, um,when I was designing for other
companies like Playmates, NinjaTurtles, or uh all these other
toys, I couldn't designsomething in one day and I'm
done, right?
But since this is my own and ithad to be perfect, I was never
(28:20):
happy with any of the drawingsthat was coming up.
And even if I would see thosevisions in my head, details of
the arms and legs, I would dryit up, but I was never happy.
So I would I I kept doing it,and then I put it on the shelf.
I tried it again.
Life happens.
I'm raising three kids, and uhI'm trying to make money and
making mortgage and car paymentsand insurance, so it just was on
(28:45):
the shelf for a long time.
I would try to pick it up again,and um, two and a half years
ago, I met Gloria, who is now mywife.
I just got married seven monthsago.
She's also a single mom, andshe's a woman of faith.
And two and a half years ago,when it when I told her about
this idea, and she was blownaway.
(29:07):
Just like, oh my gosh, the worldneeds this, and we gotta get
this thing going.
And I said, I know we have tolaunch this, but we were busy.
She had a job, I'm running myown business again.
Um, but I feel like God reallywhen his timing is perfect,
(29:29):
yeah.
And there was a reason why itwas on the shelf for so long
that I didn't do it with anyother partner.
Uh the way the world is rightnow with all the division and
what's happening in in theMiddle East and Russia.
So somehow um, the business wewere doing with some partners it
(29:51):
broke up.
And then suddenly we had anopportunity, and around the same
week, my old boss Steve Varner,uh Um he had a booth at Comic
Con.
Comic Con is one of the hardestuh shows to get into.
And you can ask any company ifthey don't have a booth there.
It's almost impossible to get abooth in there unless you pay
(30:13):
somebody else or uh somethinghappens, right?
So he suddenly says, I'm too oldfor this, I don't want to do
this anymore.
I'm tired.
I don't want to pay for thisbooth.
I go, you know what?
I'll pay for it.
So I'll I'll take over thebooth.
And suddenly it was thebeginning of this year, this
2025.
Right.
Um we were we had an opportunityto have a booth at Comic-Con.
(30:36):
And Lori and I, we just endedour partnership with our other
partners.
Uh we had a little bit of time,and we decided to take this fast
forward.
Um try to finish the designs,get them made, and launch in the
end of July.
So literally five months, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
Five months.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
In five months, we finished all the designs.
Uh I got them sculpted uhthrough uh friends of mine.
We 3D printed everything, wemade the booth.
Uh it was uh incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
Incredible.
Like I just have to okay, so youshared previously that you you
know kind of had someperfectionists that came into
this, right?
So what did that look like?
Did you kind of let go of thatto be able to get this launched
in like five months?
Like, what did that look like?
Because you know, I would Iwould love for you to kind of
speak to those, especially inbusiness or just women in
(31:36):
general.
A lot of women listen to this,and I think that people do have
some of that perfectionist andthey don't launch something
because of that reason.
What would you say to them?
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
You're asking the most perfect questions today.
Uh nobody, nobody that nobody'sasked me this.
Uh, because for me, of course,everybody wants it perfect, but
nobody gets it perfect, there isno such thing as perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
Say that again.
SPEAKER_02 (32:10):
Everybody wants perfect, but there is no such
thing as perfect.
Um, even when you think it'sperfect, it's not perfect.
So when uh Gloria was gettingfrustrated at me when I was
saying it's not no, that's notthe way it's supposed to look.
She told me these words.
She goes, Hey, you know what?
It doesn't have to be perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
Wow.
So I love Gloria.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
When she said that, uh it just clicked again.
I go, you're right.
You know, these all these carcompanies out there, they have
to create their designs and ithas to come out and they have to
sell it.
There's an opportunity cost themore you wait, right?
So uh and even car companiesevery few years they have a
newer version, uh upgraded, uh,better design.
(32:58):
So if this is the time, justhave create what I have in my
head, right?
And right when she said that,uh, you know, we've been going
ever since we got married.
Uh, we took I told her that theonly way this marriage is gonna
work, since it's both of oursecond marriages, uh, we have to
pray every morning.
(33:20):
I'm saying 30 minutes everymorning, and then she agreed.
It's like a challenge.
Oh, yeah, no problem, right?
I told her, Hey, you have toguarantee me three days a week,
and she said, I'll give you sixand uh we we haven't missed a
day since it's been the lastseven months, and it's been um
(33:44):
life-changing.
I try to give everything to God,and he's in even through
failures.
God has a uh reason for why thisis happening, and uh it's been
um really a big um source ofcomfort because uh doing a
business uh is the furthest awayfrom being uh comfortable, it's
(34:09):
stressful and money flies out,and we're always stressed about
deadlines, and somehow becausewe pray every day, uh we're
comforted.
I mean suddenly, suddenly whenwe did made it that decision,
all these images came throughprayer.
Like it was perfect now.
I see it.
(34:29):
I saw the image of how Goliathshould look.
And a quick um description ofwhat ancients is.
Yeah, tell us this is uh theidea that came about was uh um a
technology came out.
Imagine Elon Musk, just imaginehe created a new company that
could manifest spirits inphysical form.
(34:53):
And and the spiritual realmcomes into uh this world and it
can move something, you cantalk, right?
So um a company called SNBR,Supernatural Biorobotics, uh,
developed this and it took 20years and suddenly it came to
life, it's moving, and it theorb starts to glow in the cryo
(35:16):
chamber, and the tentacles startto move in different colors.
And and the evil scientist waswho was part of the team steals
that technology, and theyrealize all these spirits
they're trying to summon, itdidn't work, but biblical
characters were strong enoughthat they would actually
manifest, right?
So Professor Bale decides tosteal it and take over the world
(35:41):
with this technology, and hestarted building robots:
Goliath, uh, Pharaoh, Sisera,uh, Jezebel, and just you name
all these evil characters and uhgiant robots, and then they're
run by the actual spirit ofGoliath and and all the um uh
antagonists, and they would hewants to take over the world and
(36:03):
be his own god, right?
Yeah, and then and then the thecompany now starts building
David, Noah, um, Joshua, Gideon,Rahab, and Deborah, and the list
goes on.
I mean, imagine um Pokemon meetsRobotech.
SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
So uh I think these are a little cooler than uh
Vegetails and all the other toysout there that broke into pop
culture.
Yes, and I think this has legs,they this could actually compete
against Pokemon and Robotech,right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Absolutely, for sure.
I mean, and it's a vision fromGod.
SPEAKER_02 (36:42):
I truly believe it.
He whenever I'm praying, he heshowed me details.
Whenever I was frustrated withhow the shoulder would look, and
I would pray, and I would justsuddenly get these images.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
Yeah.
You know, as you're like asyou're praying in those moments,
I'm just kind of curious, like,and I know for some, you know,
how we pray sometimes forsomething, and there's um what
feels like delay, but it's youknow, even you talked about this
earlier, like there's always atiming to things.
But as you're praying, likeyou're drawing and you're you're
digging in and you're likereally trying to get the
(37:15):
fullness of what he's showingyou here.
Was it pretty quick?
Were you just literally becauseI I've talked to people before,
like I when I work with womenfor some reason, I I tend to
work with women who have book Icall them book babies in them,
and they'll just start writingand it just flows out.
So, did you feel like you werepraying and then things were
flowing out at the same time?
I'm just kind of curious likewhat your process was like.
SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Um yeah, like when I pray, sometimes it comes right
away, sometimes it takes a whilefor it to come out, and then um
there's moments in prayer I go,I would see it, it's like
flickering.
I go, God, God, I need I need ituh get a little bit more clear,
please.
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
Yeah, what is it?
SPEAKER_02 (37:53):
I need it, I need a close-up.
Yeah, I would just come home andI would just stick with it.
Yeah, there's nothing to change.
I felt like God gave me thatshape, and I would just draw it
up.
And um, I was able to do this insix months, five or six months,
right?
So I just went with it.
SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
Yes, and five represents grace, so there's so
much grace on this, let's justsay.
Um, I don't know if you've everdo you know the name, the
meaning of your name, Howard, atall?
SPEAKER_02 (38:21):
Uh no, you know, when you know, I told you we
were immigrants here, yeah, andmy mom wanted to give me an
English name and she likedHoward Hughes.
SPEAKER_00 (38:32):
Yeah, like the movie director.
SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
Yeah, no, no.
He he used he was a um superrich man who was an engineer.
He built machines, he built thatairplane, the spruce goose, and
and yeah, he did movies.
You're right.
He was also producing movies.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
I had a feeling he was in movies or something, but
so you don't know what Howardmeans, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
No, do you?
SPEAKER_00 (38:55):
I do.
I have a book, and for somereason I was looking at the
book, and I feel like I'msupposed to tell you what your
name means.
I think I heard it before, but Inever really so the the cultural
origin is English, the inherentmeaning is chief guardian, the
spiritual connotation isdiscerning, and there's a
scripture that is tied to it,Psalm 3723, which I really um
(39:17):
feel is very on point here.
It's um again, it's Psalm 3723,and I'm just reading this in um
NASB 1995 in my U version Bibleapp.
The steps of a man areestablished by the Lord, and he
delights in his way.
SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
Oh my gosh.
I just got I just gotgoosebumps.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:39):
37 3726.
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
Uh Psalm 3723.
SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
I gotta mark it down.
Thanks.
I never heard in that context.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (39:49):
Yeah, isn't that incredible?
It's a it's a book, it's calledThe Name Book, and it's by
Dorothy Astoria.
And I love to bring this intocoaching calls sometime, and
I've never brought this into apodcast interview before.
It's so interesting.
I just follow where he leads,and I'm like, all right, we're
going here.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_02 (40:07):
Definitely leading right now.
SPEAKER_00 (40:08):
Yeah, this is so amazing.
So you've got like what what ishappening now?
I know you mentioned you've gotyour Kickstarter, you said ends
tomorrow, and today is September30th.
SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:20):
This will be coming out um probably in you know,
November November ish, maybe endof October.
Um, what do we expect when wehear this then?
Like, how can people help?
Or what do you need?
Like, I guess that's a questionthat I would ask is what do you
need at this point?
SPEAKER_02 (40:36):
Well, you know, to break into the toy industry,
it's almost impossible.
I mean, you gotta have reallydeep pockets, you have to
compete against Hasbro, Mattel,uh, playmates.
So we're actually doingsomething, some something we can
actually manage.
Uh, there's a whole new industryright now um called art toys,
(40:57):
like figuring collectibles,where artists make their own
little figures, right?
And I don't know if you haveheard of uh Le Boo Boo is one of
them, where an artist came outwith his own design and they're
like multi-billionaires now.
La Boo Boo, um this littlecollectible stuffed animal
thing, but it looks like a pagankind of evil-looking face, but
(41:22):
it's a keychain, and one of theK-pop uh black pink Lisa
featured it on her one of herInstagram posts, and it just
went crazy viral.
And um, these are more expensiveuh art toys you would mainly put
on your wall and collect.
Uh a lot of well-to-do peoplecollect bear bricks, which could
(41:44):
go up to tens of thousands ofdollars, starts at a thousand.
Um, so we're competing in thatmarket, and we're also creating
a mini version of all thecharacters that can be
keychains.
They light up in the eyes andthe and the hair to make it show
like they're they are spirits.
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
Um, so we we're in the middle of fundraising.
We need to raise some more moneyto um get this out to everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
We spent we we kind of um bootstrapped everything up
to now, and we're um doing theKickstarter didn't do too well.
We're kind of uh novices atthat.
But um, you know, uh we're gonnamanufacture uh get these all 3D
printed and at least get themout to people.
Um we're doing as many tradeshows as possible.
(42:34):
We need people's prayers, andum, you know, if anybody knows
Scotty Scheffler, I'd like tomake one for him and so he can
put it on a social media.
SPEAKER_00 (42:43):
Or who is he?
SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
Oh, he oh, he's he's the number one.
I feel like I'm supposed toknow, but I don't he's the world
number one golfer.
People compare him to um TigerWoods, but he's a very outspoken
honest Christian faith.
Yeah, every time we play him, uhwe he wins a tournament, you
know, he just gives it all toGod.
And uh I like that.
(43:06):
I I I I like it when pop culturecelebrities and musicians could
go up and you know they theygive things to God.
And I want to do a whole Warriorseries, robots with their
likeness, and I want to give toI I don't know if you heard of
the football player Tim Tebow.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
My son would actually be really mad.
My oldest son would be reallymad at me because he plays golf
and he probably knows who Scottyis.
He's like 19.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Is that is Scotty like 19?
SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
No, he's like 28, maybe 29.
I'm thinking it's not the fathernow, but he's an amazing golfer.
Uh love watching him, and um, Ifeel like more and more
celebrities are now giving uhnotice to God on television.
So we need more of that, and umit also gives other believers
(44:00):
you know faith.
Yeah, we should be outwardly uhsharing with others our faith
instead of hiding it and exactlyin a world where it's frowned
upon, right?
SPEAKER_00 (44:11):
Exactly.
Uh yeah, and we get to bewarriors in doing that, right?
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
So that that'll be a great marketing for me to be
able to, as an artist, createone-offs or maybe two two pieces
and give it to present it to TimThibault on his platform and
have him recognize what it isand perhaps share with people.
And uh we need we want the worldto know about this.
SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
Yes, which um which one would you give them?
Do you call it like a I feellike I'm losing my word of like
what what do you call like afigurine almost?
SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
Like it's a figurine, it's a 10-inch uh
figurines.
I have so far the you know theway I'm building these
characters out, the larger onesare like uniquely shaped okay um
characters, robots.
Uh Goliath obviously has thisgiant look.
(45:07):
Cecera is a lopsided robot.
Uh, I'm gonna make Pharaoh.
Uh I'm working on him, and forthe for the evil characters, and
then we have the uh protagonist,David, um, Joshua, Gideon, and
Noah have the same body shape.
SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Um the the women, Deborah and Rahab, who we're
starting with, have their ownbody shape.
And I would make one pretty muchlike David, and I would change
his markings, put um you knowScottie Scheffler's favorite
verse on his chest, and then uhput a Nike sign.
He's sponsored by Nike andTaylor Main.
(45:46):
I would put put those stickerson it and present it to him.
This is a likeness of you fromancients, and you know, this is
a Warrior series for um all ofyou celebrities out there,
influencers who are openly uhyou know, just thanking the Lord
for everything.
(46:07):
We'd like to recognize you guysfor all this.
SPEAKER_00 (46:10):
Yes, I love that.
I mean, I feel like you're gonnahave a an open door to that.
SPEAKER_02 (46:16):
I hope.
SPEAKER_00 (46:17):
I I do, I believe it.
Um, and I don't know, just itsometimes it's just asking the
question, somehow getting totheir agent, or I don't even
know.
SPEAKER_02 (46:27):
Maybe maybe maybe it's maybe through this podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
I don't know.
I mean, what's really what'sbeen really fun?
Like I've actually I don't ask alot of people to be on the
podcast, but I've asked youknow, some people that you know
others might know their names,and it's literally just putting
the ask out there, you know.
You never know.
It's finding contact informationand just asking because you
never know.
SPEAKER_02 (46:49):
Um we we start with messaging them on Instagram, but
we know they have billions offollowers, so that it's uh it's
a tough ask, but that that's astart.
SPEAKER_01 (46:59):
And it is.
I love that idea.
SPEAKER_02 (47:01):
I'd love to I would love to meet Greg Laurie and uh
and down here.
Uh he's uh one of those pastorsfrom uh I don't know if you saw
Jesus Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (47:12):
Yes, I did.
I think he'd be a great one toreach out to.
SPEAKER_02 (47:16):
I may have to go to his church and uh camp out in
the parking lot until he talksto me.
SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
I mean, seriously.
It's I mean, I'm serious.
It's really I think it justbeing bold to to do the ask,
honestly.
And it just takes one, right?
I think I shared before, likedoing something for the one.
And just there, there can belike I don't know, I just love
the the picture of like theapple seed.
Like, you don't even know howmany seeds are in an apple, one
(47:43):
little apple seed, because thatone seed gets planted, and then
there's more apples, and theyall have seeds, and it's just
it's just wild to think of.
So I just bless you in this.
Um, which one's your favorite?
Which figurine is your favorite?
SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
Oh man, I always care around David.
He's got um a chrome body, whichwhich is which looks cool.
It's got blue eyes and bluetentacles representing his hair.
It's got a jetpack in the back,and so and then Goliath, they
all look good to me.
I love them.
Um, if you look on the website,ancients.com, uh, if you go to
(48:20):
our Instagram, you'll see yeah,Cisera looks cool.
I love Goliath.
SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
I love that.
Well, Deborah is like one of myfavorite girls.
Um, I actually just got donereading literally like a day or
two ago, The Deborah Company byJane.
Um, why am I totally drawing ablank on her last name?
But, anyways, it's called TheDeborah Company, and uh I just
love Deborah, and Esther too isprobably one of my other
(48:47):
favorites.
I think Esther would be a hugehit.
SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
I want to do Esther, I want to do Ruth, I want to do
everybody, but um you you cansee it.
SPEAKER_00 (48:56):
I can see this, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (48:58):
This is Deborah, it's just purple.
SPEAKER_00 (49:00):
Oh my gosh, I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
And she has her staff.
Wow, there's a uh a judge, youknow, uh fighting against the
Canaanite soldiers, and that'sCisera, the lopsided robot in
the back, who's a Canaanitecaptain.
SPEAKER_00 (49:15):
Oh my goodness, this is incredible.
I mean I I tell people there'scertain things.
Um, you know, one of my favoritephrases is like, you can't make
this stuff up.
SPEAKER_02 (49:27):
I think this is God's doing.
This is uh David.
SPEAKER_00 (49:30):
Oh wow, that's incredible.
SPEAKER_02 (49:32):
You see first Samuel 17 engraved on his test plate.
SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Incredible.
You guys definitely go to thewebsite.
I'm gonna post it in the shownotes, and I'll also be posting
um you know ways to get in touchwith Howard, how to get onto the
Instagram.
If you if you guys know a way toyou know make connections with
some of these people he's talkedabout, oh wow, he's got the mini
(49:58):
version of David.
That's super cool.
So so just if you could maybejust share with us, since this
will likely be coming out umtowards the end of October,
early November, probably.
Um we're gonna be heading intothe holiday season.
How can people, you know, gettheir hands on these and give
(50:18):
them to their kids put undertheir Christmas tree?
SPEAKER_02 (50:21):
You know, uh again, these are uh not like toys for
kids yet.
Um good news, we do have ameeting with Playmates Toys this
Friday.
Um they're the huge manufacturerof Ninja Turtles, the first
wave, and they have all thelicenses, and they want me to
bring all these 21 pieces in umon Friday to perhaps talk about
(50:44):
doing a deal.
But uh you know, it's uh it's ahard ask for a major toy company
to publicly traded toy companyto consider doing a religious uh
line, but it's good practice.
But uh for Christmas this year,we're working our butts off to
(51:04):
get it done.
Uh it's gonna be all handmade,uh hand hand produced for
everybody.
So um these are the firstinitial sets, and I one day
hopefully they'll becollectivolves.
SPEAKER_00 (51:19):
Yes.
Well, what would be like I don'tknow if you're able to share
with us, what would be kind of aprice point for the keychain and
or the figurine?
SPEAKER_02 (51:27):
We're trying to keep it down the keychains to$35.40.
They have the the lightelectronic piece inside.
Uh all of them have their lightup features, um, roughly about
the same price as you would buya Labu Boo doll or something.
Uh the larger figurines are alot more expensive.
It takes a lot to build.
(51:48):
Uh our cost is extremely high,but they're all hand built uh um
figurines.
Uh, if we are able to raisemoney and it does cost hundreds
of thousands of dollars to umwork with the manufacturer to
produce these, um we canprobably get them down lower,
but in the time being, you getto have the first wave of
(52:10):
handmade by the by the artist.
So it could be it could be wortha lot of money later.
If this right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
I love that.
Oh my gosh.
Well, so you're you're goingfrom Kickstarter to are you
doing a different like campaignat this point then?
SPEAKER_02 (52:25):
Yeah, well, it's over tomorrow.
Um, we're barely gonna make it,but I think uh right after that,
we're building out our websiteon ancients.com.
We're gonna put a shop buttonwhere you can pre-order.
Um, and I'm also gonna sellposters and merch and all that,
but it should be up probablymid-October, maybe.
(52:46):
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
That'll be good timing then.
SPEAKER_02 (52:49):
Yeah, perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (52:50):
This has been really fun.
Um, I've never interviewedanybody before who's done any
work like this.
It's incredible.
Um, I grew I was born in '77, soI was a big fan of Ninja
Turtles.
Um, so it's super cool to youknow have a conversation with
somebody who was, you know,catalyst to bringing them to
life, right?
So um, and thank you for being abrave voice who's setting others
(53:14):
free.
That's like part of part of whyyou're here today, I believe.
Um, I believe you've given hopeto others to persevere and you
know, bring things to life thatthe Lord brings to you, even
though I don't know about you,but I was even thinking about
this this morning.
I'm like, man, business is sucha faith journey.
SPEAKER_01 (53:35):
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (53:35):
It's like the biggest faith journey ever.
So um as I, you know, do thispodcast, I do it for the one.
And I would love for you to justthink of that one who's
listening today.
Would you be open to justsharing any words of
encouragement or wisdom that youknow comes to your heart?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, you know, I've like you justsaid it.
Um, I was just thinking allthese businesses I've done
before I've encountered God.
I don't remember what mymotivation or uh what how I was
supposed to succeed.
Um but yeah, when when you haveGod as your CEO, I mean the the
(54:18):
the confidence level justskyrockets.
And uh, you know, like God willknow what to do with the money,
he'll know who to raise moneywith and all that.
So yeah, we are we worry less,and at the same time, we worry
less and more confident, and wereally need money now, but we
don't we're not stressed, right?
(54:40):
So we're we're confidentwherever God takes us, and I
really think this will gosomewhere.
And I just hope that people do,especially the listeners here
and people of faith, will putGod as their CEO.
SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
Yes, that's a huge key right there.
unknown (54:56):
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (54:57):
Um, would you pray us out today?
I would love to.
SPEAKER_02 (55:00):
I'd love to.
Uh uh, Father, we thank you somuch for um just guiding today's
conversation.
Uh, we pray that um there'slisteners out there who will be
touched and inspired by today'suh just conversation, which was
led by you, and we pray that umyou will touch the lives of um
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people out there who are um Idon't know, lacking faith or
have uh low confidence levelsthat you will lift them up, and
that we all know that you know,even through our failures,
you're working, and there'sfailures out there that allow us
to see something that we'resupposed to see.
(55:44):
And again, like we said today,um nothing is perfect, none of
our designs are perfect, evenour business isn't perfect, our
spouses aren't perfect, we arenot perfect, but we know that
you are perfect, and we can justum put our eyes towards you and
um know that you will guide usto eternity in Jesus' name we
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pray, amen.
SPEAKER_00 (56:08):
Amen.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on today.
Um, could you just repeat againhow people can get in touch with
you?
The the website, just kind ofspell it out.
I'll put it in the show notesagain.
SPEAKER_02 (56:18):
Yeah, we have a very original name, Ancients with a
Z.
And um quick thing, it is basedon Hebrews chapter 11, verse 1
and 2, the hall of faith.
SPEAKER_01 (56:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (56:31):
And so uh, you know, uh the ancients were commended
for their faith, right?
So if you Google search ancientswith a Z, you'll find us.
But ancients.com, uh, it has allour social media links, and it's
gonna have our our shop, it'sgonna have our videos, and uh,
once this podcast comes out, uh,I'll put a link to this on there
(56:53):
too in the media.
SPEAKER_00 (56:54):
Well, that's amazing.
Thank you for being on today.
I will be sure to link all ofthe information in the show
notes so you guys can easily getin touch with Howard, go follow
their socials, get on theirwebsite, go check everything
out.
Thank you again for being ontoday.
I'm gonna close with the HopeUnlocked Anchoring Verse.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
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abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you, Howard.
I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Have a good one, everybody.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast.
I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wild-heartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and
potential, break free fromlimitations, and thrive with
confidence, courage, and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoaching.net and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlock hopetogether.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me welcome HowardChang, who is also known as
(00:58):
Quigley, to the show.
We had a chance to just catch upa little bit.
I've just met him for the firsttime today, and I actually
wanted to save hearing moreabout him until we hit record.
So before we get into yourstory, would you just tell us a
little bit about yourself?
SPEAKER_02 (01:15):
Hi.
Well, thank you for having metoday.
Um yeah, well, I'm um a formertoy designer from 1989 to 1996.
I designed hundreds of NinjaTurtle toys.
Some of you may have heard ofthem.
Um many decades later, it'sstill going.
That was my first job out ofhigh school.
(01:37):
And when I was doing it, I neverimagined they would be such
iconic collectible uh toysdecades later.
And the franchise is still goingstrong, movies are still coming
out, toys are still being sold.
And um, just a brief intro.
We just launched our new line offigurine collectibles, and they
(02:01):
are Bible-based.
Um, they're characters from theBible, uh, stories that we love.
Um, it's not like Superman withsuperpowers or anything.
They are, for example, David andGoliath.
David was a small weak shepherdboy who overcame obstacles with
(02:21):
faith, not with superpowers, butthrough his faith in God.
And I felt like the world needssomething like this instead of
more Pokemons or Spider-Mans.
And these are actually toys thatwe believe kids will actually
love to have.
Um, you know, it's not like youknow, Christianity is very
(02:44):
popular in pop culture, or orare toy companies willing to
take on something with religiousundertones or of any kind, but
we are hoping, we're praying,and we just literally launched
this uh starting this year.
And we were at we were at ComicCon in July in San Diego, which
(03:05):
is like the biggest geekconvention in the world, right?
Okay, uh, we launched it, peopleloved it.
We there was a whole Christiancommunity there.
They came over and prayed forus, and it was just the most
amazing experience.
And uh our Kickstarter,unfortunately, it's gonna end
tomorrow.
Was struggling a little bitbecause we were we weren't
getting uh enough help fromKickstarter.
(03:27):
Uh we didn't have the marketingbudget that we were hoping for,
but you know, we we know thatthis is God's business, uh not
mine.
We're just working for him, andwe're doing our best, and I'm
here to share what it's allabout today.
SPEAKER_00 (03:41):
That is so amazing.
Yeah, when I saw um, you know,what what you're working on
right now, I was I was very umenamored and I wanted to hear
more about it, but and I wantyou to share more kind of about
what you're doing now, but Iwanted you to back it up a
little bit.
So you're working like straightout of high school, you you
know, get into doing the ninjaturtles.
(04:03):
Where were you at like in yourfaith at that point back in the
in those days?
SPEAKER_02 (04:08):
You know, uh growing up, we were uh immigrants from
South Korea.
And uh uh immigrants living inSouthern California, going to
church was more of a socialthing for my parents.
Okay.
So, you know, we would just go.
Um, you know, sometimes we wouldmiss.
It was just one of those thingswe did on Sundays.
Um, you know, as a child as ayoung person, I didn't see my
(04:31):
parents really pray at home.
So when we go to church, I wouldend up in Bible study, Bible
school, uh uh Sunday school.
Okay you would learn about allthese things, and there were
just stories, and we knew aboutit.
And the whole culture being um achild, I came when I was six
years old.
I was just literally I startedpeace uh kindergarten all the
(04:55):
way up to high school.
Um, I just thought of church assomewhere you you go to be good.
Okay, uh maybe cleanse yourself,but if you don't go, it's not
good.
It's just a positive negative.
So yeah, I believe in uh in aGod, but I didn't have anything
what you would consider as arelationship or or a deep deep
(05:18):
knowledge of him or or umdependence on him at all.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Yes.
So you you you didn'tnecessarily have the
relationship, you did have youknow some foundation.
Um, and I can imagine like goingright out of high school.
Did you did you go to college todo like design, or what did that
look like right out of highschool?
SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
Yeah, uh out of high school, I was gonna go uh I I
was gonna start at Cal StateUniversity of Long Beach here in
Southern California, and it's aschool known for the arts.
Uh it was um up against ArtsCenter, which was one of the
best schools here.
So yeah, I was gonna studyillustration or maybe design.
(05:59):
Um you know, I didn't knowexactly, but during that summer,
um, I was gonna start a job atBlockbuster.
It was like a video rentalplace.
SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
We might have to explain what that is to some of
our audience.
I know what you're talkingabout.
SPEAKER_02 (06:15):
People used to have devices at home where you rent
or buy these tapes that looklike a large cassette tape, and
you stick it in the machine andyou play videos and movies.
So that was a rental place.
And um, before I started, my momdecided, hey, you're you're
always good at art, winning youknow, drawing competitions and
(06:37):
everywhere.
So she found an ad in thenewspaper.
I went in and they hired me onthe spot just to maybe because
uh I was young, I wasaffordable, and I was willing to
do anything.
So they hired me.
I was a mold maker, and somehow,some way, uh, I feel like God
was part of it.
(06:57):
But Playmates Toys, the companythat just started uh
manufacturing and distributingthe Ninja Turtles, which in
1988, it was a major hit.
They couldn't keep it in thestores.
So I joined in 1989 a yearlater.
I didn't know what the NinjaTurtles were, it was just a job.
And they asked if anyone drew inthe office, and my bosses Steve
(07:20):
Arner, Eddie Mosquetta, theycalled me, hey, you know how to
draw, right?
So yeah, they uh asked me to umdo a quick mock-up of a fugitoid
toy, which today is is acollector's item, right?
But I just did it a quicksketch, and there was a machine
called a fax machine back then.
(07:41):
Similarly, they faxed it over.
I went home, I came back thenext day, I didn't have my desk
anymore.
They're like, I thought I gotfired, but they go, No, you have
your own office from now on,you're just drawing all day.
So I was 18 years old.
I start I started drawing ninjaturtles and it became a job
while going to collegepart-time.
(08:02):
I was going to part-time school,part-time uh work because they
couldn't design and createenough ninja turtles in time.
SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
Oh my gosh.
Wow, so I mean, quite a story.
I mean, this uh wouldn't you saythis is a little atypical for
somebody?
SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
It's definitely atypical.
I have kids now who are uh 16,three kids, 16 to 21, and
they're having a hard timefinding a job, right?
But I had the job that my schoolclassmates dreamt of after they
graduated.
I I was already living it.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
Wow, wow.
And at that time, like were youpraising God or you just kind of
weren't you're just kind oflike, oh, this is just
happening, you know.
Like, what did that look like?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (08:48):
I was at that stage, didn't really depend on God, I
didn't really know him.
It was just it was just just ajob.
Yeah, I didn't uh when I wasdoing it, I didn't realize what
a kind of blessing it was.
I just it was just a job to goto.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
Okay, and how long did you do that work?
SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
Uh almost eight years.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay, so quiggly, you gotta tellus a little bit more about that.
SPEAKER_02 (09:14):
So aka aka quigley.
Um so that summer, after thesummer was over, I told my
bosses I gotta go to college,and so I have to quit.
And they were they weren'thaving it.
I mean, they were uh apparentlymaking a lot of money designing
the toys.
(09:35):
It was a sculpting company, theywould build out the prototypes
to send to the factories to gettooling done and everything.
But since I came in, we're nowdesigning the toys that we're
gonna sculpt.
And I think I was at a pointwhere 80% of my drawings were
were being approved by PlaymatesToys to manufacturer, so we were
(09:57):
creating our own workconstantly.
So when I said I was gonna go,they were upset about it.
And you know, uh my the the vicepresident uh Eddie Musqueta,
kind of the the comedian of thethe studio, he's like, No, you
don't you don't you don't quit,you're fired.
(10:17):
You're fired Howard, you'refired that it sounded as cool,
so he came the next day.
He found a character in theJetsons cartoon when you're
yelling, Quigley, you're fired.
So it's stuck ever since.
And um, a book came out fiveyears ago.
Um, all these drawings I didback then, there was thousands
(10:37):
of them.
Um, so me and another co-worker,uh, a couple of co-workers, our
work was featured in this400-page book.
Uh, it's called Varner StudiosSketchbook, and it says Howard
Quigley Chang.
Um it's spelled Q-U-I-G-G-L-Y.
That wasn't what EddieMosquetta, my old boss, wanted
(10:59):
to uh imagine the spelling tobe, but it's sure he would have
had just one G.
Yeah.
But but it's sad.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Wow, I love it.
Well, so go back to you know,the you were there for eight
years.
Like, what trend what did end uptransitioning you out of that
role then?
SPEAKER_02 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean, it was eight years.
I didn't take one vacation.
SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
We were just so busy one vacation.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
No, it was like an eight year well.
I was going to school, you know,finished school, still uh going
through that uh the workprocess, and um I was do I was
designed not just Ninja Turtles,there was Star Trek, there was
uh Exos Squad.
We did uh we did a lot of HappyMeal toys, like the big doubles,
(11:44):
yeah, toys and everything.
But uh after a while, you know,yeah, I had skills to draw and
and and design, but it wassupposed to be a hobby.
I was supposed to enjoy it, andI didn't enjoy it anymore.
And there was a point I hadfriends at home waiting.
I came back after a long day ofdesigning Ninja Turtles, and
(12:05):
they're like, Howard, you coulddraw, can you draw me something?
And I snapped back, you want meto draw you something?
Pay me.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so something I enjoyedbecame work, and then uh long
story short, I quit, I left, andthen um I went through all these
(12:26):
different businesses.
I was a serial entrepreneurlaunching my own toy, toy, many
toy importing business.
To I got into computerprogramming, I was running
fashion businesses,manufacturing, wow, automotive
parts.
Uh yeah, we did every I dideverything for 20 20 years.
SPEAKER_00 (12:45):
Wow, 20 years.
It reminds me of um, do you knowthe story of like the Kentucky
fried chicken guy?
Have you heard his story before?
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah, like he he got successful at age 55 or 60.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah, later on, and he had so many different things
that he dipped his toes in, likeso many different realms that
were like they were sodifferent, right?
But he was also a serialentrepreneur.
SPEAKER_02 (13:10):
Yeah, so I'm gonna launch Quigley's uh fried
chicken.
SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
Yeah, and that could be a great thing to go with
everything you've done.
Um, I just think it'sincredible.
Like, I truly, you know, I Iresonate with being like an
entrepreneur, like in my blood,like it's generational.
Um, is this something that waslike generational for you and in
your family as well?
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
Like, I mean my dad was a uh chemistry teacher, and
then he became uh he ran his ownuh painting contracting
business.
Yeah, he had a fleet of paintingtrucks that used to go out every
morning, and that was about it.
Wow business.
SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Well, what like what did you love most about um
stepping into like theentrepreneur world?
Like, did you know what you weredoing when you first got
started?
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
No, you know what?
It was a hundred percentambition.
Uh I had an ambition to umbecome a successful businessman.
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (14:10):
Uh so long story short, I did uh I think the I
listed about 24 businesses thatI can remember where businesses
meaning I had a bank account, Istarted uh I got a license, and
we started at business cards.
I'm just collecting all thesebusiness cards I had back then.
Yeah, so uh yeah, uh a couple ofthem did well.
(14:32):
I mean, we we we got intomanufacturing hats for uh five
years, we went from zero totwelve billion dollars in sales
in four and a half years.
So that was one thing, uh late90s, and then I've been running
and still running a digitalmarketing company.
Uh like I would help companieslike you uh social media and get
(14:54):
out there to Google ads andthings like that.
And it's that sustained me forthe last 20 years.
It was like a side business thatI had, but now that I look back,
that was my main business.
SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
Was it that my so out of all of them, like which
one has been because I I feellike um a lot of what I focus on
with women is really getting tothe core of their identity and
destiny, and I feel like untilwe kind of know what that is,
what God's given us, we mightkind of, and it's I'm not saying
anything about like tryingdifferent things because I I
feel like I'm multi-passionate,probably how you are too.
(15:28):
Um, but until you kind of get ahold of like that God-given
identity and destiny, um, youknow what I'm saying?
Like, had did you have thatmoment of like, okay, like I I
really know what I'm beingcalled to do?
And kind of going back to theoriginal question, like which
one was your favorite and howdid that tie into your you know,
(15:49):
identity and destiny as well?
SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
Well, the the company I explained when I first
introduced myself, uh, is calledAncients with the Z at the end.
Ancients with the Z.
Um, I truly feel that was Godcalling me, and everything that
I did in the past, evenmanufacturing, even computer.
I was a software uh programmerfor six years.
(16:11):
I love that uh put that togetherwith my toy design.
And uh I'll explain more later,but that was God putting in
everything in his perfectingredient, and here I am, um,
launching this line.
And I feel like this is reallywhat my calling is.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Love that.
Wow.
So when did you have like this?
Did you did you have a dreamabout this?
Like, what did it look like forancients to am I saying that
right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:40):
Ancients, ancients with the Z.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
A-N-C-I-E-N-T-Z for everybody who's listening.
SPEAKER_02 (16:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:48):
Um, like what did it look like for you to step into
this?
Did you have a dream?
Was it a vision?
Tell us a little bit more aboutit.
SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
You know how I said I was running around doing all
different businesses?
I really felt like there was auh I don't know, identity
crisis.
Uh I'm not here, I'm I'm doingit, I'm enjoying it.
Yeah, I have the ambition tomake this something, but do I
belong here?
I mean, I I really didn't feellike I belonged in the software
(17:14):
programming because youliterally have to read uh
thousands of pages ofprogramming books a year, right?
And that made me hate reading.
It was really a tough time.
Um, even manufacturing, Ienjoyed it.
Am I a manufacturer?
No, but I felt like God reallygave me a gift to uh be
(17:36):
creative, right?
And I felt uh during the wholetime of doing all these
businesses, I felt like I wasabandoning my true calling.
Um, so it was almost like I'mcheating on myself.
But about 12 years ago, um, thisis where my my faith journey
begins.
Uh I have I was married, I hadthree kids, and uh as my
(18:02):
therapist used to say that youknow, my ex-wife, she really had
some issues before connectingwith anybody, and I really
couldn't connect with her in anylevel.
If you can't connect with hereven having a regular
conversation, how can youconnect physically or or
emotionally, right?
So it was um tough 10 years ofmarriage for me where I felt the
(18:27):
loneliest I've ever been.
Uh I went through depression,anxiety.
Uh um, I thought I knew a lot ofthings about life, and I found
out I knew nothing about life.
And I was a father of threekids, and eventually that led to
a divorce um 12 years ago.
So while I was going through thedivorce, um, that's when I had
(18:51):
my first real encounter withthat with God, and he literally
picked me up like out of theashes, and it took one friend
while I was going through thedivorce, and I was a complete
mess.
I was uh um depressed, I wasdidn't even know what depression
was.
(19:11):
Uh apparently the psychiatristsaid, Hey, you know, you've been
you're lucky to be alive, andyou're a complete mess
physically and emotionally.
Because for about seven years Iwas avoiding the marriage bed
because I was constantly afraidof being rejected every night,
right?
So I was avoiding the bed,overworking myself, and I was
(19:34):
averaging three to four hours ofsleep a night for seven years.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (19:39):
And my psychiatrist said, you know, most men they
don't they die after a year ofthat, and you did that for seven
years.
You were doing all-nighters atleast two, three times a month
for seven years, right?
Um, so I was on heavy medicationand so depressed, I was still
drinking heavily during thattime, which is a no-no, right?
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
So you can only imagine what kind of a mess I
was, like internally,internally, and externally.
And I was outside one time and Iwas smoking a cigarette outside,
looking like my own self.
And a friend of mine came by andjust looked at me.
He goes, Howard, this is toomuch for you.
You cannot you can't handlethis.
(20:24):
You have to just let it go, letit go.
Those three words, let it go,and give it to God.
And you know, I didn't, like Isaid, I didn't really believe
that God was something somebodythat can do that.
But the moment I heard thosethree words, I just wait to say
just disappeared.
I felt light again.
(20:45):
And so, since those three wordsthat day, same day, I went
online, I was just wonderingwhat happened.
And a friend of mine uh um foundme on Facebook and just a casual
conversation.
Howard, how have you been?
I go, Oh, good, you know, I'mjust gonna get a divorce.
And she calls me right away andintroduced me, introduces me to
(21:07):
a church she's going to thatsaved her marriage.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
So somehow I went there, uh, went to this men's
retreat, and I told God, hey,you know, I've known you, yeah,
but this time I'm gonna try forfor once to follow these steps.
I don't know how to do it, butthey told me I have to go to
church every Sunday, I have topray every day, and I have to
(21:33):
read the Bible every day.
So if I do those three things,please God, uh, will you not
leave me this time?
And that was 12 years ago, hehas not left me since, right?
And so since I've uh thatmoment, um you know, my my
(21:54):
parents, my dad, knowing mypast, I was um in and out of
getting arrested all the time inmy 20s.
I've had multiple DUIs.
I he picked me up from jail, soI had that life growing up,
right?
And he was ex anticipating uhafter after I get divorced that
(22:14):
he's gonna have to pick me upfrom jail, right?
He's already thinking in hishead what he knows of me.
And he was at my house one day,and I walk in, and he was just
shocked.
Like he's looking at me and he'slike, Are you okay?
I'm like, Yeah, what are youtalking about?
He's like, You look so good.
(22:37):
What do you mean?
Yeah, so I so I went up andlooked in the mirror, and I did
look refreshed.
And I realized it was uh for me,it was just me following the
steps, but me um following thosethree things, reading the Bible
and praying and going to church,it changed me.
Like my skin got better, right?
Um I'm smiling, I have noworries.
(23:01):
Uh it's amazing.
I mean, if you just yeah, theHoly Spirit did all that, but
just how those three simplethings can help you more than
any skincare regimen or or orany therapist.
Oh, I'm sorry, I mean I'm justI'll go to you, Chris.
(23:22):
But I'm saying it's better thanall of those things, right?
It's just the hope and the joythat comes out of that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:30):
Yes.
Well, thank you so much forsharing that part of your story.
Um, I too, I was actually savedfrom addiction when I was 25,
and I look back, I was sharing alittle bit about this yesterday,
even.
And I look back at pictures andI'm like unrecognizable.
And it reminded me, I don't knowif you know this verse, um,
Psalm 34.
I immediately thought of whenyou're sharing is um Psalm 34,
(23:52):
5, those who look to him areradiant and their faces shall
never be ashamed.
SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Do you know that is and isn't so powerful?
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
It sounds sounds exactly like what I just
described.
SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
I mean, truly, it's that um, I think 2 Corinthians 5
17, like you're a new creation,literally.
And you look back and you'relike, who was I?
SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
So so so like I'm sorry, like that time when I was
going through prayer, right?
So I was experiencing miracles.
Um the craziest miracles you canimagine, but um so when people
pray, um I hear uh friends andand um brothers and sisters
(24:41):
talking about how they getanswers, how they get hope, how
they get um just uh more uhinsight on what they need to do.
But for me, I would get visionsand images in my head, in my and
in my dreams.
And one of those uh things wasancients, what we have today.
(25:01):
These were the robotic imagesthat would just pop up while I'm
praying.
And 12 years ago, while I was Ithink my wife, ex-wife just
left, and I was you know stuckwith three little kids, four,
six, and nine.
Um, we were doing you know, justuh co-parenting, and I had the
kids Monday through Thursday,it's the busiest days of the
(25:24):
week, right?
Taking them to three differentschools.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
So I'm learning how to be a single dad.
And I remember looking at theChristmas tree, and I go, hey,
this is Jesus' birthday.
We're celebrating a Christ'sbirthday.
What can I get my kids that'smore Bible-facing or or or
faith-facing than buying anotherPokemon, right?
And then I looked online, Icouldn't find anything.
(25:49):
I mean, it was like nothing.
Oh, Christian or any biblicaltoys or um any entertainment
options were just so outdated.
Yeah, I guarantee if I got oneof those toys for my kids, they
would cry and probably not talkto me.
SPEAKER_01 (26:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
But so I'm thinking uh I put two and two together,
and that's when I realized thisGod, He gave He gave me this
experience of designing the mosticonic toys that's still
running, right?
And that was one of the biggestlines of toys in pop culture.
And all these images coming inmy head, I go, you know what?
(26:32):
There could be something herewhere we could break into cut
pop culture with biblicalfigures, yes, right.
And yeah, um, and then it tookthis long to finally launch 12
years later.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
Wow, so this was like a vision that you had 12
years ago.
Like, what did you what did youdo with the vision?
Because I'm I'm just imaginingsomebody listening in today, and
um like you, I I get a lot ofvisions.
I think in pictures, I'mconstantly seeing things.
Um, he drops dreams, and I don'tknow about you, but sometimes I
get a lot, and it's like, wow,there's a lot here.
(27:09):
Like, do you put it?
Did you put it in a journal?
Like, how did you like keeptrack of this?
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
Yeah, well, what happened was I for the first
time in decades, I pulled out mypencil, started sketching things
out again.
Um, and I actually have a coupleof larger um uh canvases.
I I threw some of these picturesinto.
And it's it's kind of like Idon't know if you saw that Close
(27:37):
Encounters of a Third Kind moviea long time ago, William
Dreyfus.
No, I haven't.
Well, he was seeing visions ofUFOs, and he he would make his
whole living room into thissculpture.
Well wow, I felt a little bit ofthat energy, and I was like, I
like just was just painting it.
And at that time, I was runninga marketing company, and I had
(28:00):
some employees, and I had two ofthem just start sketching, and I
was drawing, and you know, um,when I was designing for other
companies like Playmates, NinjaTurtles, or uh all these other
toys, I couldn't designsomething in one day and I'm
done, right?
But since this is my own and ithad to be perfect, I was never
(28:20):
happy with any of the drawingsthat was coming up.
And even if I would see thosevisions in my head, details of
the arms and legs, I would dryit up, but I was never happy.
So I would I I kept doing it,and then I put it on the shelf.
I tried it again.
Life happens.
I'm raising three kids, and uhI'm trying to make money and
making mortgage and car paymentsand insurance, so it just was on
(28:45):
the shelf for a long time.
I would try to pick it up again,and um, two and a half years
ago, I met Gloria, who is now mywife.
I just got married seven monthsago.
She's also a single mom, andshe's a woman of faith.
And two and a half years ago,when it when I told her about
this idea, and she was blownaway.
(29:07):
Just like, oh my gosh, the worldneeds this, and we gotta get
this thing going.
And I said, I know we have tolaunch this, but we were busy.
She had a job, I'm running myown business again.
Um, but I feel like God reallywhen his timing is perfect,
(29:29):
yeah.
And there was a reason why itwas on the shelf for so long
that I didn't do it with anyother partner.
Uh the way the world is rightnow with all the division and
what's happening in in theMiddle East and Russia.
So somehow um, the business wewere doing with some partners it
(29:51):
broke up.
And then suddenly we had anopportunity, and around the same
week, my old boss Steve Varner,uh Um he had a booth at Comic
Con.
Comic Con is one of the hardestuh shows to get into.
And you can ask any company ifthey don't have a booth there.
It's almost impossible to get abooth in there unless you pay
(30:13):
somebody else or uh somethinghappens, right?
So he suddenly says, I'm too oldfor this, I don't want to do
this anymore.
I'm tired.
I don't want to pay for thisbooth.
I go, you know what?
I'll pay for it.
So I'll I'll take over thebooth.
And suddenly it was thebeginning of this year, this
2025.
Right.
Um we were we had an opportunityto have a booth at Comic-Con.
(30:36):
And Lori and I, we just endedour partnership with our other
partners.
Uh we had a little bit of time,and we decided to take this fast
forward.
Um try to finish the designs,get them made, and launch in the
end of July.
So literally five months, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
Five months.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
In five months, we finished all the designs.
Uh I got them sculpted uhthrough uh friends of mine.
We 3D printed everything, wemade the booth.
Uh it was uh incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (31:12):
Incredible.
Like I just have to okay, so youshared previously that you you
know kind of had someperfectionists that came into
this, right?
So what did that look like?
Did you kind of let go of thatto be able to get this launched
in like five months?
Like, what did that look like?
Because you know, I would Iwould love for you to kind of
speak to those, especially inbusiness or just women in
(31:36):
general.
A lot of women listen to this,and I think that people do have
some of that perfectionist andthey don't launch something
because of that reason.
What would you say to them?
SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
You're asking the most perfect questions today.
Uh nobody, nobody that nobody'sasked me this.
Uh, because for me, of course,everybody wants it perfect, but
nobody gets it perfect, there isno such thing as perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
Say that again.
SPEAKER_02 (32:10):
Everybody wants perfect, but there is no such
thing as perfect.
Um, even when you think it'sperfect, it's not perfect.
So when uh Gloria was gettingfrustrated at me when I was
saying it's not no, that's notthe way it's supposed to look.
She told me these words.
She goes, Hey, you know what?
It doesn't have to be perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
Wow.
So I love Gloria.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
When she said that, uh it just clicked again.
I go, you're right.
You know, these all these carcompanies out there, they have
to create their designs and ithas to come out and they have to
sell it.
There's an opportunity cost themore you wait, right?
So uh and even car companiesevery few years they have a
newer version, uh upgraded, uh,better design.
(32:58):
So if this is the time, justhave create what I have in my
head, right?
And right when she said that,uh, you know, we've been going
ever since we got married.
Uh, we took I told her that theonly way this marriage is gonna
work, since it's both of oursecond marriages, uh, we have to
pray every morning.
(33:20):
I'm saying 30 minutes everymorning, and then she agreed.
It's like a challenge.
Oh, yeah, no problem, right?
I told her, Hey, you have toguarantee me three days a week,
and she said, I'll give you sixand uh we we haven't missed a
day since it's been the lastseven months, and it's been um
(33:44):
life-changing.
I try to give everything to God,and he's in even through
failures.
God has a uh reason for why thisis happening, and uh it's been
um really a big um source ofcomfort because uh doing a
business uh is the furthest awayfrom being uh comfortable, it's
(34:09):
stressful and money flies out,and we're always stressed about
deadlines, and somehow becausewe pray every day, uh we're
comforted.
I mean suddenly, suddenly whenwe did made it that decision,
all these images came throughprayer.
Like it was perfect now.
I see it.
(34:29):
I saw the image of how Goliathshould look.
And a quick um description ofwhat ancients is.
Yeah, tell us this is uh theidea that came about was uh um a
technology came out.
Imagine Elon Musk, just imaginehe created a new company that
could manifest spirits inphysical form.
(34:53):
And and the spiritual realmcomes into uh this world and it
can move something, you cantalk, right?
So um a company called SNBR,Supernatural Biorobotics, uh,
developed this and it took 20years and suddenly it came to
life, it's moving, and it theorb starts to glow in the cryo
(35:16):
chamber, and the tentacles startto move in different colors.
And and the evil scientist waswho was part of the team steals
that technology, and theyrealize all these spirits
they're trying to summon, itdidn't work, but biblical
characters were strong enoughthat they would actually
manifest, right?
So Professor Bale decides tosteal it and take over the world
(35:41):
with this technology, and hestarted building robots:
Goliath, uh, Pharaoh, Sisera,uh, Jezebel, and just you name
all these evil characters and uhgiant robots, and then they're
run by the actual spirit ofGoliath and and all the um uh
antagonists, and they would hewants to take over the world and
(36:03):
be his own god, right?
Yeah, and then and then the thecompany now starts building
David, Noah, um, Joshua, Gideon,Rahab, and Deborah, and the list
goes on.
I mean, imagine um Pokemon meetsRobotech.
SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
So uh I think these are a little cooler than uh
Vegetails and all the other toysout there that broke into pop
culture.
Yes, and I think this has legs,they this could actually compete
against Pokemon and Robotech,right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Absolutely, for sure.
I mean, and it's a vision fromGod.
SPEAKER_02 (36:42):
I truly believe it.
He whenever I'm praying, he heshowed me details.
Whenever I was frustrated withhow the shoulder would look, and
I would pray, and I would justsuddenly get these images.
SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
Yeah.
You know, as you're like asyou're praying in those moments,
I'm just kind of curious, like,and I know for some, you know,
how we pray sometimes forsomething, and there's um what
feels like delay, but it's youknow, even you talked about this
earlier, like there's always atiming to things.
But as you're praying, likeyou're drawing and you're you're
digging in and you're likereally trying to get the
(37:15):
fullness of what he's showingyou here.
Was it pretty quick?
Were you just literally becauseI I've talked to people before,
like I when I work with womenfor some reason, I I tend to
work with women who have book Icall them book babies in them,
and they'll just start writingand it just flows out.
So, did you feel like you werepraying and then things were
flowing out at the same time?
I'm just kind of curious likewhat your process was like.
SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Um yeah, like when I pray, sometimes it comes right
away, sometimes it takes a whilefor it to come out, and then um
there's moments in prayer I go,I would see it, it's like
flickering.
I go, God, God, I need I need ituh get a little bit more clear,
please.
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
Yeah, what is it?
SPEAKER_02 (37:53):
I need it, I need a close-up.
Yeah, I would just come home andI would just stick with it.
Yeah, there's nothing to change.
I felt like God gave me thatshape, and I would just draw it
up.
And um, I was able to do this insix months, five or six months,
right?
So I just went with it.
SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
Yes, and five represents grace, so there's so
much grace on this, let's justsay.
Um, I don't know if you've everdo you know the name, the
meaning of your name, Howard, atall?
SPEAKER_02 (38:21):
Uh no, you know, when you know, I told you we
were immigrants here, yeah, andmy mom wanted to give me an
English name and she likedHoward Hughes.
SPEAKER_00 (38:32):
Yeah, like the movie director.
SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
Yeah, no, no.
He he used he was a um superrich man who was an engineer.
He built machines, he built thatairplane, the spruce goose, and
and yeah, he did movies.
You're right.
He was also producing movies.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
I had a feeling he was in movies or something, but
so you don't know what Howardmeans, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
No, do you?
SPEAKER_00 (38:55):
I do.
I have a book, and for somereason I was looking at the
book, and I feel like I'msupposed to tell you what your
name means.
I think I heard it before, but Inever really so the the cultural
origin is English, the inherentmeaning is chief guardian, the
spiritual connotation isdiscerning, and there's a
scripture that is tied to it,Psalm 3723, which I really um
(39:17):
feel is very on point here.
It's um again, it's Psalm 3723,and I'm just reading this in um
NASB 1995 in my U version Bibleapp.
The steps of a man areestablished by the Lord, and he
delights in his way.
SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
Oh my gosh.
I just got I just gotgoosebumps.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:39):
37 3726.
SPEAKER_00 (39:41):
Uh Psalm 3723.
SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
I gotta mark it down.
Thanks.
I never heard in that context.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (39:49):
Yeah, isn't that incredible?
It's a it's a book, it's calledThe Name Book, and it's by
Dorothy Astoria.
And I love to bring this intocoaching calls sometime, and
I've never brought this into apodcast interview before.
It's so interesting.
I just follow where he leads,and I'm like, all right, we're
going here.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_02 (40:07):
Definitely leading right now.
SPEAKER_00 (40:08):
Yeah, this is so amazing.
So you've got like what what ishappening now?
I know you mentioned you've gotyour Kickstarter, you said ends
tomorrow, and today is September30th.
SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:20):
This will be coming out um probably in you know,
November November ish, maybe endof October.
Um, what do we expect when wehear this then?
Like, how can people help?
Or what do you need?
Like, I guess that's a questionthat I would ask is what do you
need at this point?
SPEAKER_02 (40:36):
Well, you know, to break into the toy industry,
it's almost impossible.
I mean, you gotta have reallydeep pockets, you have to
compete against Hasbro, Mattel,uh, playmates.
So we're actually doingsomething, some something we can
actually manage.
Uh, there's a whole new industryright now um called art toys,
(40:57):
like figuring collectibles,where artists make their own
little figures, right?
And I don't know if you haveheard of uh Le Boo Boo is one of
them, where an artist came outwith his own design and they're
like multi-billionaires now.
La Boo Boo, um this littlecollectible stuffed animal
thing, but it looks like a pagankind of evil-looking face, but
(41:22):
it's a keychain, and one of theK-pop uh black pink Lisa
featured it on her one of herInstagram posts, and it just
went crazy viral.
And um, these are more expensiveuh art toys you would mainly put
on your wall and collect.
Uh a lot of well-to-do peoplecollect bear bricks, which could
(41:44):
go up to tens of thousands ofdollars, starts at a thousand.
Um, so we're competing in thatmarket, and we're also creating
a mini version of all thecharacters that can be
keychains.
They light up in the eyes andthe and the hair to make it show
like they're they are spirits.
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:02):
Um, so we we're in the middle of fundraising.
We need to raise some more moneyto um get this out to everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (42:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:11):
We spent we we kind of um bootstrapped everything up
to now, and we're um doing theKickstarter didn't do too well.
We're kind of uh novices atthat.
But um, you know, uh we're gonnamanufacture uh get these all 3D
printed and at least get themout to people.
Um we're doing as many tradeshows as possible.
(42:34):
We need people's prayers, andum, you know, if anybody knows
Scotty Scheffler, I'd like tomake one for him and so he can
put it on a social media.
SPEAKER_00 (42:43):
Or who is he?
SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
Oh, he oh, he's he's the number one.
I feel like I'm supposed toknow, but I don't he's the world
number one golfer.
People compare him to um TigerWoods, but he's a very outspoken
honest Christian faith.
Yeah, every time we play him, uhwe he wins a tournament, you
know, he just gives it all toGod.
And uh I like that.
(43:06):
I I I I like it when pop culturecelebrities and musicians could
go up and you know they theygive things to God.
And I want to do a whole Warriorseries, robots with their
likeness, and I want to give toI I don't know if you heard of
the football player Tim Tebow.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (43:25):
My son would actually be really mad.
My oldest son would be reallymad at me because he plays golf
and he probably knows who Scottyis.
He's like 19.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Is that is Scotty like 19?
SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
No, he's like 28, maybe 29.
I'm thinking it's not the fathernow, but he's an amazing golfer.
Uh love watching him, and um, Ifeel like more and more
celebrities are now giving uhnotice to God on television.
So we need more of that, and umit also gives other believers
(44:00):
you know faith.
Yeah, we should be outwardly uhsharing with others our faith
instead of hiding it and exactlyin a world where it's frowned
upon, right?
SPEAKER_00 (44:11):
Exactly.
Uh yeah, and we get to bewarriors in doing that, right?
SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
So that that'll be a great marketing for me to be
able to, as an artist, createone-offs or maybe two two pieces
and give it to present it to TimThibault on his platform and
have him recognize what it isand perhaps share with people.
And uh we need we want the worldto know about this.
SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
Yes, which um which one would you give them?
Do you call it like a I feellike I'm losing my word of like
what what do you call like afigurine almost?
SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
Like it's a figurine, it's a 10-inch uh
figurines.
I have so far the you know theway I'm building these
characters out, the larger onesare like uniquely shaped okay um
characters, robots.
Uh Goliath obviously has thisgiant look.
(45:07):
Cecera is a lopsided robot.
Uh, I'm gonna make Pharaoh.
Uh I'm working on him, and forthe for the evil characters, and
then we have the uh protagonist,David, um, Joshua, Gideon, and
Noah have the same body shape.
SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Um the the women, Deborah and Rahab, who we're
starting with, have their ownbody shape.
And I would make one pretty muchlike David, and I would change
his markings, put um you knowScottie Scheffler's favorite
verse on his chest, and then uhput a Nike sign.
He's sponsored by Nike andTaylor Main.
(45:46):
I would put put those stickerson it and present it to him.
This is a likeness of you fromancients, and you know, this is
a Warrior series for um all ofyou celebrities out there,
influencers who are openly uhyou know, just thanking the Lord
for everything.
(46:07):
We'd like to recognize you guysfor all this.
SPEAKER_00 (46:10):
Yes, I love that.
I mean, I feel like you're gonnahave a an open door to that.
SPEAKER_02 (46:16):
I hope.
SPEAKER_00 (46:17):
I I do, I believe it.
Um, and I don't know, just itsometimes it's just asking the
question, somehow getting totheir agent, or I don't even
know.
SPEAKER_02 (46:27):
Maybe maybe maybe it's maybe through this podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
I don't know.
I mean, what's really what'sbeen really fun?
Like I've actually I don't ask alot of people to be on the
podcast, but I've asked youknow, some people that you know
others might know their names,and it's literally just putting
the ask out there, you know.
You never know.
It's finding contact informationand just asking because you
never know.
SPEAKER_02 (46:49):
Um we we start with messaging them on Instagram, but
we know they have billions offollowers, so that it's uh it's
a tough ask, but that that's astart.
SPEAKER_01 (46:59):
And it is.
I love that idea.
SPEAKER_02 (47:01):
I'd love to I would love to meet Greg Laurie and uh
and down here.
Uh he's uh one of those pastorsfrom uh I don't know if you saw
Jesus Revolution.
SPEAKER_00 (47:12):
Yes, I did.
I think he'd be a great one toreach out to.
SPEAKER_02 (47:16):
I may have to go to his church and uh camp out in
the parking lot until he talksto me.
SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
I mean, seriously.
It's I mean, I'm serious.
It's really I think it justbeing bold to to do the ask,
honestly.
And it just takes one, right?
I think I shared before, likedoing something for the one.
And just there, there can belike I don't know, I just love
the the picture of like theapple seed.
Like, you don't even know howmany seeds are in an apple, one
(47:43):
little apple seed, because thatone seed gets planted, and then
there's more apples, and theyall have seeds, and it's just
it's just wild to think of.
So I just bless you in this.
Um, which one's your favorite?
Which figurine is your favorite?
SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
Oh man, I always care around David.
He's got um a chrome body, whichwhich is which looks cool.
It's got blue eyes and bluetentacles representing his hair.
It's got a jetpack in the back,and so and then Goliath, they
all look good to me.
I love them.
Um, if you look on the website,ancients.com, uh, if you go to
(48:20):
our Instagram, you'll see yeah,Cisera looks cool.
I love Goliath.
SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
I love that.
Well, Deborah is like one of myfavorite girls.
Um, I actually just got donereading literally like a day or
two ago, The Deborah Company byJane.
Um, why am I totally drawing ablank on her last name?
But, anyways, it's called TheDeborah Company, and uh I just
love Deborah, and Esther too isprobably one of my other
(48:47):
favorites.
I think Esther would be a hugehit.
SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
I want to do Esther, I want to do Ruth, I want to do
everybody, but um you you cansee it.
SPEAKER_00 (48:56):
I can see this, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (48:58):
This is Deborah, it's just purple.
SPEAKER_00 (49:00):
Oh my gosh, I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
And she has her staff.
Wow, there's a uh a judge, youknow, uh fighting against the
Canaanite soldiers, and that'sCisera, the lopsided robot in
the back, who's a Canaanitecaptain.
SPEAKER_00 (49:15):
Oh my goodness, this is incredible.
I mean I I tell people there'scertain things.
Um, you know, one of my favoritephrases is like, you can't make
this stuff up.
SPEAKER_02 (49:27):
I think this is God's doing.
This is uh David.
SPEAKER_00 (49:30):
Oh wow, that's incredible.
SPEAKER_02 (49:32):
You see first Samuel 17 engraved on his test plate.
SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Incredible.
You guys definitely go to thewebsite.
I'm gonna post it in the shownotes, and I'll also be posting
um you know ways to get in touchwith Howard, how to get onto the
Instagram.
If you if you guys know a way toyou know make connections with
some of these people he's talkedabout, oh wow, he's got the mini
(49:58):
version of David.
That's super cool.
So so just if you could maybejust share with us, since this
will likely be coming out umtowards the end of October,
early November, probably.
Um we're gonna be heading intothe holiday season.
How can people, you know, gettheir hands on these and give
(50:18):
them to their kids put undertheir Christmas tree?
SPEAKER_02 (50:21):
You know, uh again, these are uh not like toys for
kids yet.
Um good news, we do have ameeting with Playmates Toys this
Friday.
Um they're the huge manufacturerof Ninja Turtles, the first
wave, and they have all thelicenses, and they want me to
bring all these 21 pieces in umon Friday to perhaps talk about
(50:44):
doing a deal.
But uh you know, it's uh it's ahard ask for a major toy company
to publicly traded toy companyto consider doing a religious uh
line, but it's good practice.
But uh for Christmas this year,we're working our butts off to
(51:04):
get it done.
Uh it's gonna be all handmade,uh hand hand produced for
everybody.
So um these are the firstinitial sets, and I one day
hopefully they'll becollectivolves.
SPEAKER_00 (51:19):
Yes.
Well, what would be like I don'tknow if you're able to share
with us, what would be kind of aprice point for the keychain and
or the figurine?
SPEAKER_02 (51:27):
We're trying to keep it down the keychains to$35.40.
They have the the lightelectronic piece inside.
Uh all of them have their lightup features, um, roughly about
the same price as you would buya Labu Boo doll or something.
Uh the larger figurines are alot more expensive.
It takes a lot to build.
(51:48):
Uh our cost is extremely high,but they're all hand built uh um
figurines.
Uh, if we are able to raisemoney and it does cost hundreds
of thousands of dollars to umwork with the manufacturer to
produce these, um we canprobably get them down lower,
but in the time being, you getto have the first wave of
(52:10):
handmade by the by the artist.
So it could be it could be wortha lot of money later.
If this right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
I love that.
Oh my gosh.
Well, so you're you're goingfrom Kickstarter to are you
doing a different like campaignat this point then?
SPEAKER_02 (52:25):
Yeah, well, it's over tomorrow.
Um, we're barely gonna make it,but I think uh right after that,
we're building out our websiteon ancients.com.
We're gonna put a shop buttonwhere you can pre-order.
Um, and I'm also gonna sellposters and merch and all that,
but it should be up probablymid-October, maybe.
(52:46):
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
That'll be good timing then.
SPEAKER_02 (52:49):
Yeah, perfect.
SPEAKER_00 (52:50):
This has been really fun.
Um, I've never interviewedanybody before who's done any
work like this.
It's incredible.
Um, I grew I was born in '77, soI was a big fan of Ninja
Turtles.
Um, so it's super cool to youknow have a conversation with
somebody who was, you know,catalyst to bringing them to
life, right?
So um, and thank you for being abrave voice who's setting others
(53:14):
free.
That's like part of part of whyyou're here today, I believe.
Um, I believe you've given hopeto others to persevere and you
know, bring things to life thatthe Lord brings to you, even
though I don't know about you,but I was even thinking about
this this morning.
I'm like, man, business is sucha faith journey.
SPEAKER_01 (53:35):
It is.
SPEAKER_00 (53:35):
It's like the biggest faith journey ever.
So um as I, you know, do thispodcast, I do it for the one.
And I would love for you to justthink of that one who's
listening today.
Would you be open to justsharing any words of
encouragement or wisdom that youknow comes to your heart?
And then would you pray us outtoday?
SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, you know, I've like you justsaid it.
Um, I was just thinking allthese businesses I've done
before I've encountered God.
I don't remember what mymotivation or uh what how I was
supposed to succeed.
Um but yeah, when when you haveGod as your CEO, I mean the the
(54:18):
the confidence level justskyrockets.
And uh, you know, like God willknow what to do with the money,
he'll know who to raise moneywith and all that.
So yeah, we are we worry less,and at the same time, we worry
less and more confident, and wereally need money now, but we
don't we're not stressed, right?
(54:40):
So we're we're confidentwherever God takes us, and I
really think this will gosomewhere.
And I just hope that people do,especially the listeners here
and people of faith, will putGod as their CEO.
SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
Yes, that's a huge key right there.
unknown (54:56):
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (54:57):
Um, would you pray us out today?
I would love to.
SPEAKER_02 (55:00):
I'd love to.
Uh uh, Father, we thank you somuch for um just guiding today's
conversation.
Uh, we pray that um there'slisteners out there who will be
touched and inspired by today'suh just conversation, which was
led by you, and we pray that umyou will touch the lives of um
(55:23):
people out there who are um Idon't know, lacking faith or
have uh low confidence levelsthat you will lift them up, and
that we all know that you know,even through our failures,
you're working, and there'sfailures out there that allow us
to see something that we'resupposed to see.
(55:44):
And again, like we said today,um nothing is perfect, none of
our designs are perfect, evenour business isn't perfect, our
spouses aren't perfect, we arenot perfect, but we know that
you are perfect, and we can justum put our eyes towards you and
um know that you will guide usto eternity in Jesus' name we
(56:07):
pray, amen.
SPEAKER_00 (56:08):
Amen.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on today.
Um, could you just repeat againhow people can get in touch with
you?
The the website, just kind ofspell it out.
I'll put it in the show notesagain.
SPEAKER_02 (56:18):
Yeah, we have a very original name, Ancients with a
Z.
And um quick thing, it is basedon Hebrews chapter 11, verse 1
and 2, the hall of faith.
SPEAKER_01 (56:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (56:31):
And so uh, you know, uh the ancients were commended
for their faith, right?
So if you Google search ancientswith a Z, you'll find us.
But ancients.com, uh, it has allour social media links, and it's
gonna have our our shop, it'sgonna have our videos, and uh,
once this podcast comes out, uh,I'll put a link to this on there
(56:53):
too in the media.
SPEAKER_00 (56:54):
Well, that's amazing.
Thank you for being on today.
I will be sure to link all ofthe information in the show
notes so you guys can easily getin touch with Howard, go follow
their socials, get on theirwebsite, go check everything
out.
Thank you again for being ontoday.
I'm gonna close with the HopeUnlocked Anchoring Verse.
It's may the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit you may
(57:17):
abound in hope.
And that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you, Howard.
I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Have a good one, everybody.
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