June 12, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode of Hope Unlocked, Kristin welcomes Alisa Rabin Bell, founder of Lionheart Ventures—to share her powerful story of faith, healing, and launching a one-of-a-kind business model: fractional social impact consulting. From overcoming chronic illness and leaving corporate tech to boldly serving faith-based leaders in corporate philanthropy, Alisa shares how her journey has been rooted in courage, calling, and Kingdom values. Tune in to hear how she’s helping companies align their giving with their faith—and why bold obedience matters now more than ever.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy ivy of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Elisa Rabin-Bell to theshow.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have herhere today.
I actually met her recentlywe're a new connection through a
local networking event that wehad gone to and I just loved
hearing how the Lord has led herin recent days and I wanted her
to come on and share her storyand what she is up to.
So, elisa, would you be open totelling us a little bit about
(01:20):
yourself before we get into it?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Certainly Very nice to see you again, kristen.
Yeah, I am originally fromCalifornia.
I was, I'm Jewish, I'm 100%Jewish, so that's kind of
interesting for folks.
I was raised just with a verysecular background but grew up
in Southern California, spent acouple of years in Ann Arbor,
(01:47):
michigan, after getting marriedout of college, and then moved
to Minnesota and within a yearof moving to Minnesota I got
divorced and that was aninteresting, challenging time
but it was through that divorcethat I came to faith and yeah,
(02:11):
and that was a long time ago.
So I've been a faithful Jewishbeliever walking with Jesus
since 1997.
And I would say a couple ofyears later I met my now husband
and he was playing baseball forthe St Paul Saints, a local
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baseball team, and we gotmarried right after 9-11.
So that was a an interestingtime.
We have one daughter who is now20 20 and I've been married.
We've been married.
This fall will be 24 years, soyeah, a lot has gone on.
(02:56):
Um, career wise, I, uh I did 20some years in the nonprofit
space, pretty much doingeverything you could do in a
nonprofit, from event planningand database management to
annual and capital campaigns andgrant writing, that sort of
thing Including.
Also, I ran a small foundationat one point and I was in
(03:17):
association management and thentook a big detour and went into
tech sales, which sounds odd,but I went to work for a tech
company that sold into thenonprofit space, so it was a
great transition.
It was a lot of fun, did thatfor about seven, eight years
tech sales and then leftcorporate America in March of
(03:40):
2023 when the company I was atat the time we mutually decided
I didn't want to work thereanymore.
There's some health stuff thatwent along with that, and since
then I've been working to builda fractional social impact
practice.
Business as a consultantbasically means helping
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faith-based business leaderswith their corporate
philanthropy.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, that's a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I want to get back to what you're doing now,
but I want to go back a littlebit to you're raised Jewish.
You were in essence, saved.
You came to faith in.
You said 97?
Was that when I read yeah, 1997.
What did that look like?
(04:44):
I mean, what was that encounterlike?
Was it a?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
church.
Tell us more about that.
I would love to hear more, andI'm sure the listeners would
love to hear more about your,you know, transformation journey
.
Yeah, so it's reallyinteresting.
Being Jewish is a lot of things.
It's a religion, it's a culture, it's in your DNA.
When I've done DNA tests, it'sliterally my DNA shows up as
like 99.9% Ashkenazi Jewish, andso it's it.
(05:05):
We weren't religious growing up.
It was never a part of what wedid.
We kind of, you know, we'd walkinto a synagogue if we had a
wedding or a death or a bar orbat mitzvah, and that was about
it.
So, um, the Jewish holidayswere celebrated pretty much to
get together to eat and drinkand be around family, but, but
(05:28):
we were very secular.
And so, um, when I met my firsthusband, um, he was a Christian
and he wanted me to go to churchwith him and I'd go once in a
while.
I didn't, um, I didn't, youknow, enjoy it.
I didn't spend a lot of timethere.
It was okay, I was willing todo it because, you know, he
(05:51):
asked me to and I'm like, okay,sure, no problem.
But there were several timeswhere I was confused or highly
offended or misunderstandingGod's word, and it's because I
didn't know, because no one toldme, no one taught me, and so
that was challenging.
And then, near the end of ourmarriage, there was a little
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church near our house when wehad moved to Minnesota, and we
started going to this littlechurch and the pastor actually
counseled us through theconversations, through the
challenges, trying to mediateand help us save our marriage.
(06:39):
And I remember him clearlyasking my husband you know, if
he could see that I was on ajourney, I was asking a lot of
questions and he asked myhusband if he thought well, if
she became a Christian, wouldthat change anything?
And for him it wouldn't.
(07:01):
He had changed his mind, he fellout of love whatever the thing
(07:28):
was, and that was really hard tohear, that was hard to
understand, and so I startedgoing to the little church by
myself.
I'd sit in the back of thechurch.
I didn't know anybody, I'd sitin the back of the church and
just cry.
I was just distraught anddidn't understand and was
confused to hear I'm 2000 milesfrom home and had no family, no
friends, nobody here.
I was working at a hospitalfoundation in St Paul and had a
few new coworkers but that wasabout it.
So it was a lot, it was hard,but the pastor was very wise and
(07:49):
just a really great human beingand he introduced me to a young
couple at the church.
They had a and their son, Ithink, was an infant, he was in
a car carrier car seat still andthey were very active in youth
there.
They were very active in thechurch and they had gone to
(08:14):
college out in California.
So I think the pastor thoughtoh, there's a little connection,
I'll introduce you, get yousome friends.
And it turns out that they andtheir families were at a deep
searching point, looking for theJewishness of their Christian
faith.
At the same time I am seekingout, you know, the Christianity
(08:39):
of Jesus, the Christianity ofJewishness, if you will, and I
started going to some differentmeetings and events and
information and less you know,teachings and things with them.
And they spend a lot of timejust nurturing and talking with
(09:00):
me.
And so I started.
I kept going to this littlechurch and I made some more
friends.
There was another couple therethat they were going into some
other form of ministry.
The husband would always try to.
He would just argue with me andyell at me and tell me all
these things and you have tobelieve blah, blah, blah.
And his wife was.
It was such an opposite and shewas so kind and sweet and she's
(09:23):
like you can't just argue herinto heaven, it's not going to
work.
And so there were severalcouples that I just really
clicked with, and that firstcouple that I mentioned.
(09:46):
They ended up going to bemissionaries in Israel for 14
years.
And the other couple went towork for Wycliffe and another
couple went to work for YoungLife.
Like all my friends left to gobe missionaries.
But the.
Thing that I felt drawn to wasto really be a missionary, if
(10:07):
you will, to the Christians andto open their eyes to the
Jewishness of their Christianfaith, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So what does that look like?
I mean walking that out withpeople, even over the years
since that point point.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I've done a lot of teachings on things like
Passover, where it overlaps somuch with Christianity, and
reminding Christians that theBible doesn't start with the
book of Matthew.
The Bible doesn't start withthe book of John.
It doesn't start with theGospels.
The Bible starts with Genesis.
And just having conversationsand being open to people asking
me questions I don't have allthe answers by any means, but
(10:55):
I'm open to talking to folksabout the Jewishness of Jesus
and reminding them.
Oh yeah, by the way, the entirebook, except for Luke and Acts,
were written by Jews.
It's um.
You know.
It's important to to rememberthat.
Um, it started, it started inum.
(11:19):
It started with Abraham andIsaac and Jacob and God spoke to
them and brought in the faith.
So, yeah, I mean I answer lotsof questions from folks when
they find out that I'm Jewishand I'm happy to share and do
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some.
I've done teaching, like I saiddo some.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I've done teaching, like I said.
So when you've done teaching,do you have like, do you have a
course, or do you have likematerials that you've given to
people to help them, like uh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
not an official course by any means, but, like I
, I'll bring a group of friendsthe other christian friends and
I and we'll walk through apassover, sed, okay, or you know
, talking even about Hanukkah,which isn't in the Bible, but
talking through Old Testamentbooks and how it relates Esther
(12:19):
and the story of Esther is oneof my favorites, and Esther 4.14
414, how you know, and how her,her cousin, mordecai, basically
said if, if, if not you, thenwho?
And and maybe you were born forsuch a time as this.
So, uh, yeah, so it's it.
(12:41):
It comes out kind of in a lotof different ways.
I don't have an official courseby any means, but it's, but if
people ask, I'm happy to shareand talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know it's interesting.
Even when we got started, Iimmediately was thinking of
Esther, and I don't know ifyou've seen the movie.
One night with the King.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes, yes, one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Now, the reason I was thinking that was because right
when we got started I lookedout my window and there was a
white butterfly which is, Idon't know if you remember, in
the beginning of that moviethere was a white butterfly when
it was dark outside.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, I do Nice .
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm glad to share that with you, but I remember,
you know, back in 2020 and 2021,for me personally, like the
Lord was calling me to use myvoice in a new way, and even
with you know Esther 414, wetypically look at it and it's,
you know, on shirts and bumperstickers, and you know, coffee
mugs like for such a time asthis but it's not fluffy.
It's not a fluffy verse, it's.
You know the Lord was showingme like, back it up a little bit
, like for if you remain silent,right, you know moments of your
(14:06):
walk with Christ, or just inlife in general, where you feel
like you've been silenced orhave had challenges using your
voice.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Absolutely.
I mentioned I was in nonprofitspace for 20 plus years and and
and in the tech space to my myentire career.
Basically it was a very secular, very liberal environment.
I couldn't speak out about myfaith and I also, I don't think
(14:33):
I was confident enough to in ain a public space, in the church
, amongst my friends.
That was one thing, but in thebusiness world it was very, very
challenging, and so I kind ofhid my light under a basket, if
you will.
I took a different tact when Ileft corporate in 2023, where,
(15:04):
as I was kind of coming to whatit was, I felt like God was
calling me to do with this thefractional social impact serving
business leaders with theircorporate philanthropy.
God told me to narrow it downeven more and work with
faith-based business leaders.
(15:24):
Work with those.
God told me to narrow it downeven more and work with
faith-based business leaders.
Work with those leaders andbusinesses that have a
Judeo-Christian backbone to themand who are wanting to be
bolder about their faith.
And it's given me anopportunity the last couple of
years to be even bolder about myfaith.
I'm not shy about it anymore.
I wear my cross.
(15:44):
I have a, a star of David witha cross in the middle, and I
wear it all the time.
Um, I have, in fact, esther 414and a um uh cross with a star
and a heart around it, bothtattooed on my wrist, and
they're reminders to be bold andpeople ask me they see those
(16:06):
tattoos and they ask questions,right, and I've put it out on
social media.
I've done faith-based posts andmy website has that basically
right on there as well.
So it's been interesting.
(16:30):
I've gone to networking eventsand everybody's introducing
themselves and gets to me whoare you, what do you do?
Well, I serve faith-basedbusiness leaders with their
corporate philanthropy and mostpeople are like, oh, that's so
interesting.
I've never heard of that before.
Oh, wow, that's great.
I'm a Christian too and itopens up doors for other people
to have those conversations.
But it's also caused people toturn away.
(16:52):
I was at one event and a gal Iintroduced myself and she kind
of looked at me sideways and shesays, well, is that all
religions?
And I said, is it all faiths?
And I said well, and I couldtell she had a different
background and I just said, look, I'm a Jewish believer.
(17:15):
This is what I know and this iswhat I'm starting with and what
I'm talking to folks about.
Whether I work with I don't knowHindus, buddhists, muslims,
others down the road, I don'tknow.
Um, because that's I don't knowanything about that.
That's not who I am and that'snot what I feel God has called
(17:35):
me to do.
So I'm, you know it, it.
It can push people away.
But with that being said, youknow, I think that's okay.
I mean, you don't have to beeverything to everybody and I
don't want to be you know, Ireally want to be what God wants
me to be.
(17:55):
I really want to be strong andcourageous and not afraid or
discouraged like Joshua.
Joshua one nine tells us, youknow, and it's important to
follow where God is leading you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So yes, well, I love you know, I love that you've.
It's like what I call like aflip the script right.
So you were immersed in anenvironment where you you
basically couldn't talk aboutyour faith, um know, openly,
freely.
And now you're free and you'rein a place where you can talk
openly and freely as you're led,but you're doing it in a bold
(18:33):
way, like unafraid and notashamed and not willing to let
somebody else and theirviewpoint stop you from doing
what you're doing.
I just want to commend you forthat.
Not everybody is willing, or Idon't know.
The best word is like again thatcourage, right, the courage to
step out, first of all, out of aspace like similar to me.
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We both did.
This is part of why I wanted tohave Ron too is because, you
know, I'm encountering morepeople who are actually like
stepping out of.
For me, I called it Egypt, itwas Egypt, and you know somebody
else who's taken a really boldstep of faith to leave behind,
(19:18):
you know, maybe a more quoteunquote secure position to come
out, follow what the Lord'sdoing.
Position to come out, followwhat the Lord's doing.
And then also, you know, inthis day and age we're we're not
always seen as like the mostpopular people.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yes, I get that.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So besides you know that encounter what I love, what
you said, like you, basicallyI'm not going to work with
everybody.
I like to say I'm not ready,Everybody's not for me.
I'm not going to work witheverybody, I like to say I'm not
ready, everybody's not for me,and I think 100% that point.
You know and just accept thatlike it's okay.
It's okay that you are not, youknow my clients, right, not
saying you, but just in general.
(19:57):
When we come across people thatare like yeah, yeah, whatever.
So when you like, when youstepped out, can you, can you
say again like fractional, yousaid fractional, say again.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I call it fractional social impact.
So how this came about was, um,as I was uh seeking kind of
what my my next was going to be,I I took basically all of 2023
off.
I wouldn't call it a sabbatical,I would call it kind of a
healing journey, because and sowe can let me back up a little
(20:32):
and I started at a company, avery large international tech
company, working remotely.
I started there in the fall of2021.
And six months in it was likeMay of 2022, out of the blue,
started having horrible vertigoattacks and we couldn't figure
(20:57):
out what was triggering them.
I would be dizzy, I'd be lyingon the couch for two, three days
at a time, very, very sick.
My husband like jumped intonurse mode and he had about 10
seconds to get me from my deskto the couch.
And it was just awful, it washorrible.
It went on for about six months.
(21:17):
Um and, like I said, there wasno um, no warning signs, no, um,
you know, know, triggers thatwe could prevent.
Yeah, and finally I went to adoctor.
It was january of 2023.
Um friend, uh, recommended adoctor down in red wing,
(21:37):
minnesota.
He's a chiropractor, naturalhealth care guy, christian, and
and he had all these tests runblood tests and other kinds of
things but he's also veryintuitive, insightful, he worked
with folks on all kinds ofissues, but especially
(21:58):
anti-inflammatory kinds ofthings, and so the tests come
back and he basically says well,you are gluten sensitive.
And here are all the things Irecommend.
I'm like, wait a minute him, allthese tests, because I'm just,
(22:22):
I was just blown away.
He said you need to go coldturkey, a hundred percent, cut
out gluten, cut out dairy,because dairy mimics gluten.
So you have to get rid of dairytoo.
And you need to stop taking anyover the counter pain meds and
drink half your body weight inwater in ounces every day and
eat like bucketfuls ofvegetables and all these things.
(22:46):
And I just, I was just shocked,I was so confused because I've
never been an unhealthy eater,I've always eaten really well.
And so to to learn all of thisand to realize it wasn't
necessarily me, but it's, it'sthe food system and it's food
process in America is just notgood.
(23:07):
And, um, yeah, so by that point, um, I wasn't doing my job, I
couldn't do my job at all.
And uh, sat down with, um, well,virtual sit down with your
manager, and when they they putthose meetings on your calendar
and the HR person shows up, youknow it's it's time to go.
(23:29):
So so I joke yeah, right, butyou know I joke that we mutually
decided I didn't want to workthere anymore because they did
give me a choice.
They said you could, you know,we could put you on a, on a PIP,
a personal improvement plan,where you know, here's a couple
months salary to walk now.
And I'm like took me about twoseconds to think that one over.
(23:51):
And yeah, so I left there inMarch of 2023 and spent the my
garden, with my dogs, with myfamily and really with myself,
like learning how to eatdifferent, learning how to cook.
Know, he took away, he tookbread and cheese and pizzas and
(24:13):
delicious, yummy food, but I'vefound ways to make up for it.
And I still have a glass ofwine now and again.
(24:36):
Don't tell my doctor, was thata?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
no-no for him.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He wanted me to cut out alcohol and everything too.
And I'm like dude, you cut outbread and cheese and some other
and pizza.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I love pizza.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I still have wine.
Yeah, Isn't it?
Isn't it fascinating?
Um, I shared with you before wegot started on here.
I was talking to a neighborearlier and, um, you know, part
of my I don't even, I won't godown that rabbit trail, but
there are ways naturally to heal.
Yeah, I love that.
(25:13):
Sometimes it takes, you know,personally, I think it was 12,
15 years ago that I discoveredthat gluten was a thing and I
was, you know, check off, youknow, take it out for 30 days
and within three days I feltamazing and I was like what in
the world?
Like I've been suffering allthis time because doctors, like
(25:36):
couldn't figure out what wasgoing on, but it took just
removing food.
That you think is good.
Right, You's yeah you know,because I would buy, like,
healthy grain, you know food,and um, dairy was a thing for me
too, and, um, I think it's justso interesting and I'm hoping
(25:57):
you know I'm not going to keepgoing down this rabbit trail too
long, but, um, I think that theworld is starting to wake up a
little bit, as far as you knowmore holistic measures, you know
more naturopathic measures, butthe unfortunate part of that is
that it does come with a cost,a financial cost, because you
know, most people are oninsurance and it's not covered.
(26:18):
So, all that to say, I thinkyou would agree with me.
Like, if you're given adiagnosis, um, my heart and the
key is like, try to get to theroot, like, what is the reason
that this is happening?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Don't slap me with a uh prescription right away, like
what is the reason um justputting this out there?
Would you agree as well?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh yeah, I, I, I was able to step away from all kinds
of prescriptions that everymedical doctor had given me
during those six months that Iwas ill.
I went to a ton of differentdoctors ear, nose and throat
doctors.
I went to dizzy doctors andspecialists.
(27:01):
I went to my own primary doc.
Doctors and specialists I wentto my own primary doc and they
all gave me different.
You know, here's a differentprescription.
I think I had four or five orsix different prescriptions
going at once.
Now I'm down to one and that wasfor something else that is
totally unrelated, and it's, andI, food is life, food is health
(27:23):
, and if you're not feeding yourengine properly, you're, you're
gonna feel crummy.
And so you know, when peopleask me oh, is it hard to give up
?
I could never give up bread, Icould never give up cheese,
whatever, and if you don't feelgood when you're putting it in
your body, it's not that hard togive it up.
Exactly, and I, I have nodesire to risk it, like people
(27:48):
you know have have asked haveyou, have you even just tried a
piece of bread?
No, because I don't want tomess up the work, all the hard
work I've done the last coupleyears, yeah, so yes, I know,
like I've I call it gettingglutened.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh yeah, inadvertently and almost
immediate.
It's like an immediate reactionand it takes like a week to
kind of get recalibrated.
And it's like I've had peoplesimilarly.
They're like why don't you justhave a piece of pizza?
And I'm like, no, you don'tunderstand.
Like I do believe that I willbe healed of this.
Um, but there's an aspect ofalso like maybe it's going to be
(28:22):
that I go over to anothercountry where they're actually
giving us, you know, good foodand I will be able to have some
pizza Right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I've heard that.
Yeah, I've heard that whenpeople that are celiac or have,
you know, big gluten issues,when they're in other countries,
especially in Europe, that theydon't have any issues, no
issues.
So, yeah, it's.
It's funny though, you know,now, going to restaurants I used
to.
I used to.
If you think about what was,what was it like when Harry met
(28:51):
Sally the movie, when Harry metSally, when they were in the
restaurant and she, she was justsuper high maintenance,
ordering, very specific, all thethings she had to have, just
right, yeah, and I used to justlaugh about that.
Well, now I'm that person,you're not alone, I'm with you
and I okay.
So so leave this off and andexchange this and do that, but
(29:14):
do this and like, even cooking,don't cook like my.
I can order a steak, but don'tcook my steak with butter.
You got to use olive oil, right.
So I'm, I'm just all over thatand I'm that person.
My husband just laughs at menow.
He's's like you are that person.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, I just prophesied.
I say I'm very special and I'vegot some special things here.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I'm special, but you know it's funny.
I think more and more peopleare doing that.
More and more people are thatway.
You're seeing gluten-freeoptions and people and menus
that are marked gluten-free,dairy-free, vegan, whatever the
thing is, and it's just it'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, and it's.
It's it to me goes.
Hmm, there's a lot of peopledealing with this.
Maybe we should do somethingabout it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yes, absolutely.
That's where my brain goes, youknow Well, and we're starting
to see a little bit of that.
I'm hoping that's changing withsome of the things some of the
health and human services.
You know the currentadministration, getting rid of
some of the, getting rid of allof the poisons that are in our
food.
Hopefully they can.
They can make a you know, makethat a permanent thing that
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their companies are literallyprocessing and providing.
The same company is making theexact same product two different
ways, one for America and onefor Europe.
Like, really Isn't that nuts?
It's insane, Totally crazy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's a whole rabbit hole I could go down.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I was just going to say we just went down a little
rabbit trail.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Somebody needed to hear about that right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, for sure.
But I did want to finish how Icame up with.
You know, we want to circleback where I am now.
So I started in 2024, kind ofdigging into what I wanted to do
next, and I looked at mybackground and I started going
to networking events.
And now I go to like I've beento a gazillion networking events
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over the last couple of years,meeting so many amazing people.
But I kept hearing about thisthing called fractional and I
didn't know what it meant.
But did some research andtalked to some folks and learned
more about it.
I thought I love that idea ofbeing a fractional employee in a
, at a corporate level, andhelping companies you know,
(31:31):
fraction of the cost, fractionof the time, um, with all of the
expertise.
And I thought, well, what is itthat I've done that I could,
you know, do that's fractional?
And and none of the uh peopleout there were were doing
anything like this.
They were ever.
They were fractional CMOs, cfos, coos there's a gazillion of
(31:53):
those out there.
And I thought, well, I knowphilanthropy, I know nonprofits
and foundations and that sort ofthing, and so I thought I'll
make up my own thing.
Love it.
I made up my own thing.
I was like you've got to sharethis.
Yeah, so I call it fractionalsocial impact.
It's basically corporatephilanthropy helping small and
(32:13):
mid-sized companies, businessleaders, those, like I said,
Judeo-Christian backbonecompanies, be bolder in their
faith, stepping out and aligningthem with the values of
nonprofits that they want topartner with, that they want to
serve, that they want tovolunteer with, um, that sort of
(32:35):
thing.
So uh, yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
that's kind of where I'm at, so so, if like, can you
give us an example of um youknow, I don't know if you have
to be confidential um, butsomebody that maybe you you've
worked with or you're currentlyworking with, and what that
looks like for you to comealongside these companies?
I have a feeling somebody'slike well, I don't really
(33:00):
understand like what does thislook like tangibly?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, so there's a couple of different ways.
So on my website I set it up inkind of like a small, medium,
large package to large packagefor lack of a better term.
Like in the small sense, I cancome into a company and be a
facilitator for a brainstormingsession.
Maybe the company has decidedthat giving our employees one
(33:25):
day a year to volunteer isn'treally as much as we want to be
doing.
We want to do more, and somaybe they have some ideas, but
they're not sure where to start.
So I can facilitate abrainstorming session and help
them come up with a bunch ofdifferent ideas that they can
then turn around and implementin, you know, with internal
folks, with however they want.
So that's one idea.
(33:45):
Another is maybe they want todo that and they want to
actually get help to do an eventor a project or something.
So come in and work with themand pull together Maybe it's a
fundraising event for anonprofit that they want to
partner with and so helping themplan it out and do all the
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marketing and communication andinternal work to to implement a
big event in a year from now andwe work together on a project.
Okay, on a large scale, afractional um is really like
being embedded with their, withthe corporate leadership, so
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helping them dig into theirvalues, dig into their views and
their perspective on who theyare, and so doing a lot of.
I come and do a lot of research, discovery, interviews,
conversations with theleadership, with their employees
, with their customers, andlearn about the company.
(34:54):
Then pull together you know, Idon't know 20, you know a dozen,
15, 20 ideas of either projectsor non-profits, organizations
that they could potentially workwith and partner with, and then
we, we work together in a youknow, brainstorming session, if
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you, brainstorm session, if youwill, to to narrow that down
into okay, this is what wereally want to do here's, here's
what works for us.
And then we I walk with them andhelp them implement and put
that into practice.
So then, bringing alongsidesomeone internal to run it, long
(35:46):
term tool, networkingopportunity, fundraising plan
for ways that they're going togive away money, the way they're
going to volunteer in thecommunity, the way that they're
going to partner with anonprofit and do they include it
(36:06):
in their social media or ontheir website, work, or do they
act behind the scenes and do itall anonymously and quietly.
They're both biblical right.
God wants us to help people andshare and acknowledge who we're
supporting and what we're doing.
But he also said you know, givequietly and don't let your
right hand know what your lefthand is doing, basically.
(36:28):
So so either way, I'm happy tohelp customers, clients with uh,
with, you know, big, bigvisions or just initial ideas of
brainstorming and that sort ofthing.
So unique.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yes, I love it because I'm I mean, I'm guessing
and you can correct me on this,but maybe most companies don't
typically.
Maybe, I don't know, it wouldbe more HR that would have some
knowledge in this area, butmaybe I wouldn't imagine that
most companies would know kindof how to walk this out.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, I think that's probably the biggest challenge
is these leaders don't know whatthey don't know and they don't
know that they need me.
Um, and yeah, it oftencommunity engagement, um
employee volunteerism, umcorporate philanthropy it often
falls under either hr ormarketing.
(37:25):
But a lot of those companies umtheir hr people are busy doing
hr stuff and their marketingpeople are busy doing marketing
stuff and they're not experts inphilanthropy or community
engagements and it's not theirexpertise and they're overtaxed.
They're already doing what theyneed to be doing, so uh you know
(37:49):
, for a leader to step up andsay, you know we need to bring
in outside help to do somethinglike this, like that's, that's
who I'm looking for, that's whoI want to work with.
And and these leaders that say,yes, you know, partnering and
giving away money and andinvolving our employees and how
we give away our money right Isis important to to the company
(38:12):
and, honestly, it impacts bottomline issues.
It impacts recruitment andretention.
It impacts customer loyaltyright.
Because a lot of things we'reseeing these days, especially
with younger generations, arethat they want to work for
companies that share theirvalues.
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No matter where you are on thespectrum of politics and
religion and whatever else,people want to work with
companies that share theirvalues and they want to work for
companies that share theirvalues and they want to buy from
companies that share theirvalues.
And people are bolder about it.
And then maybe it's justbecause we're more, it's more
visible because of social media.
I don't know, but it's becomingmore and more common to see
(38:58):
that and and I feel like I havean opportunity to help improve
that for companies and helpbolster their, their, their,
their, their values.
And and really, like we talkedabout at the beginning, there's
you're not for everybody, right,and so people that you're going
(39:19):
to have either employees thatare going to self-select out,
either in you know already atemployee employed with you or um
, or through the hiring process,or your customers are going to
walk away, but you're going todraw other customers, right.
So every company isn'teveryone's cup of tea, right?
(39:43):
There's examples of cancelculture that we've seen in the
last three, four, five yearsthat have been just crazy.
on both sides all sides rightPeople support Chick-fil-A and
they go to Chick-fil-A for avariety of reasons, and maybe
one of which is that they'reclosed on Sundays and they
support Christian values.
(40:03):
Or Hobby Lobby same thing.
Hobby Lobby is the same thing,but you know there's companies
that support other issues andpeople can choose to support who
they want to choose to supportand work for who they want to
work for um years ago, and partof what I loved working there
(40:33):
for was being able to do, like,um, community service, and we
would get kind of a, I would saylike a stipend, quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
We could use a certain number of hours, um,
they would pay you basically togo out and do community service,
and that was part of what keptme at this job for a while, was
that was one of the perks?
Um, that, yeah, but um, I canimagine, you know, having I, I
love companies that give back.
I just, personally, I've alwaysloved, if I find let's just say
I'm just using this as anexample like a jewelry company
that sells xyz but then theygive back to, you know, like a,
(41:08):
like a nonprofit, or they'regiving back to help a cause on
the backend, like I'm more proneto go to those companies than I
am a, you know, yeah, normalcompany.
Does that make sense?
Oh, no.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I think people will.
I think people will spend moremoney or go drive further or
order online, you know, and nothave free shipping and whatever
be, in order to supportcompanies that fit their values
or that are, that are andwhatever.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That is right so well , I think back, I think one of
the first companies that I I canthink of, and I don't.
I don't know if they're afaith-based company I don't, I
don't believe that they are butit was like Tom shoes top shoes
where you buy one and thenthey'd give one away.
I just thought that was thecoolest concept.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Well, and I think there's a sock company too.
Bomba socks is another one.
They do the same thing.
Yeah, bombas, I think, I thinkthey're good a lot of companies
out there that are very vocal,very intentional, very bold
about what it is that they'redoing, and and who they support.
They put it on their website,right their their community
(42:24):
engagement page, whatever that'scalled on on a company's site
it talks about oh, we support Bemy Starving Children.
Or we support you know Matter,we support this, you know,
trafficking organization orwhatever, whatever fits their
values.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And you can help.
You can even help them kind ofdetermine which pathway to go
down to as well.
Right, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Because you know there's so many nonprofits and
so many organizations out there.
So, as a company, how do youknow?
Do you encourage your employeesto participate and give back?
Are you going to limit?
Are you going to do matchinggifts or do you limit where your
matching gifts can go Right?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
If you're a faith-based organization.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Do you want to do a matching gift to Planned
Parenthood or to some othercompanies, right so?
Other nonprofits, probably not.
So you know, what guidelines doyou have in place for your
organization?
What guidelines do you have inplace for employee giving,
employee matching?
And?
And if you refuse to give tocertain organizations, are those
(43:35):
employees going to stick around?
Right, right, like you talkedabout?
You like staying at a companybecause of some of the benefits
and the things that they wereoffering you?
People also will walk away fromcompanies that don't share.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
So yes, so can you do .
Is it local and like, can youdo this around the world?
Can you step in like virtually?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, well, I say that I'm not limited by
geography.
I'm keeping it right now to thepretty much to the U S um the
laws, international laws, forphilanthropy is is varied and
I'm not an expert ininternational philanthropic law.
So not yet, not yet God hasn'tdownloaded that to me yet Um,
(44:22):
but but pretty much anywhere inthe U?
S.
Yeah, I, I'm not limited bygeography, um, I don't have
little kids at home.
Like I said, my daughter's 20and she's on her own doing her
own thing.
Now.
She's a superstar, and so I,yeah virtual or you know, they
make things called airplanes.
You can go somewhere and meetpeople in person, which I prefer
, meeting people in person.
However, I'm yeah, I'm totallyopen to, you know, small,
(44:48):
midsize companies the reallysmall companies are kind of
doing it on their own, and thereally really big enterprise
level companies have teams ofpeople that are doing it for
them.
So, okay, it's kind of thatmiddle range that I'm looking at
okay.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
So would you say, um, I guess I'm I'm thinking out
loud here um, if you're gonnalike, if you're going to like,
if you're going to speak tosomebody and they're listening
and their, their, their, theirears are perked up, um, like
what?
What would be something elsethat you'd want to share in
relation to what you do that ummight help them, um, reach out
(45:23):
to you.
Is there anything else that youwanted to share in relation to
this?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, Well, I think, um, if you're, you know, if
you're a business owner, ifyou're a business leader at a
company and employees are askingfor opportunities to go
volunteer, and you want tosupport them in that, if you're
looking for ways to give moremoney away and you want to not
(45:52):
just write a check for a couplethousand dollars here and there,
maybe you want to engage youremployees in that and build an
employee committee that pullstogether ideas for ways to
volunteer in the community or togive money away and to to
support that, maybe starting amatching gift program or opening
(46:14):
a fund at a communityfoundation in your local area,
Um, or?
Or there's a national Christianfound.
The national Christianfoundation is a community
foundation as well.
Um, and, and thinking about youknow, is God calling you to be
bolder in your walk?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Um and and thinking about, you know?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
is God calling you to be bolder in your walk?
Um, are you, you know, walkingout your, your, your talk that,
oh yeah, I'm a Christian and Iget to these organizations, or I
support these organizations,but are you really doing as much
as you could?
Are you really, um, you know,are you are really inviting God
to walk with you in, in yourbusiness, on a daily basis?
(46:56):
yeah, so yeah, lots of I meanlots of ideas, lots of things to
think about.
Um, you know, if, if you feellike you're, if you feel like
you're doing something but youwant to do more, if you feel
like you're doing something butyou want to do more, if you feel
like your internal people thatyou have working on it now
aren't, you know, are neededelsewhere and aren't able to do
(47:20):
all the things, if you'rewanting to expand or just even
launch, maybe you don't haveanything going on and you really
feel called to do more or addprocesses, procedures,
technology to the mix.
You know so good.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, I'm imagining.
I'm a very visual person.
I'm almost seeing, like youknow, kind of if it's like a
building for a business, likethe hands and feet going out and
being like catalysts in thecommunity broader level.
Because, um, I think a lot ofpeople just really have a heart
to give back and, like you said,you know, I see you as just
this resource or you.
You know the ins and outs he's,this is part of your.
(48:01):
You know inner working to helppeople in this area and I'm just
so excited for what he's goingto do through you, because this
is a new thing, it's verydifferent but it's so unique.
And I love the people that aredoing those things.
So he's his hands all over this.
Let me do that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I feel that too.
Thank you, I appreciate theencouragement, the reminder.
It is very different.
It is very different and it'sbeen.
(48:42):
You know all transparency.
It's been a bit of a challengeto find my people, if you will,
and find people that are willingto take a chance and doing
something different.
There's lots of fractionalfolks out there.
There's lots of consultants inthe philanthropic, you know,
non-profit foundation space, butI, honestly, when I I talk to
folks, I don't think I've heardof anybody that's doing
fractional philanthropy,consulting to the faith-based
(49:03):
community specifically.
So it's it's a pretty smallniche that I love it.
That's carved out and it isunique and beautiful.
Yeah, I feel like it has.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, for sure you're , you're trailblazing.
So I I'm sure that this, you,you're maybe the first of of
many that'll come, come along.
Yeah, yeah, well, and ifsomebody's listening in today to
that, you know that's maybe inthis realm and is curious about
you, know what you're doing, um,in that respect.
(49:36):
But then also, you know, ifsomebody is wanting to hear more
about how you can help abusiness, what is the best way
that they can reach out to youand hear more?
Speaker 1 (49:45):
on my website has all my contact information on it.
Lionheartadventuresbiz, if youwant to list that somewhere, you
can.
Yes, put that best way toconnect with me.
Reach out to me.
I'm on LinkedIn as well.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, could you say the website again?
Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's lionheartadventuresbiz B-I-Z.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
And I'll be sure to link that in the show notes as
well.
And I was hearing likeLionheart adventures.
Oh, that's an idea, it is anadventure, this whole like
leaving Egypt and walking outwhat he's calling us to do, that
looks different.
It's definitely an adventure,wouldn't you say?
Absolutely, I call it a wildadventure.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I like that.
I'm going to have to write thatone down, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
People are like how are you doing?
I'm like, I'm still on a wildadventure.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
And it's beautiful.
The scenery is wonderful.
Well, it has been a joy to haveyou on today.
Whenever I'm doing thesepodcast episodes, I imagine the
one who's listening in.
So if you would be open to justthinking about that one who's
listening in, are there anywords of encouragement or wisdom
that you feel led to speak overthem?
(51:00):
And then would you mind prayingus out today as we wrap up?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'd love that.
Thank you, words ofencouragement.
I love that.
(51:29):
Thank you, words ofencouragement.
You know, be bold in your faith, be willing to take the arrows,
because you know that if you'restanding in that space that God
wants you, that he'll protectyou and he'll lead you into
where he wants you to be.
Yes, we do have to leave thatquote Egypt in order to go
through the desert sometimes,and sometimes that's what it
feels like, but know that on theother side is the promised land
right, and I think there's hopeand there's an opportunity, and
(51:54):
be creative.
I think I would say also to findyour people.
It's important to connect withlike-minded and kingdom-minded
believers.
It's not to say that we don'ttalk to other people, that isn't
it at all.
It's that you have to have thatsupport in order to be in the
world and not of the world, andI think that's a valuable lesson
(52:18):
that I've learned.
But I think most importantly isto just really to be bold.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
So good.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah.
So, lord, I just thank you forthis time.
I thank you for um, for kristinand her ministry and her
coaching practice and and hervision.
For this, I think that that youhave your hand on her, lord,
and um, you're gonna, you'regonna help her grow and blossom
(52:48):
and blossom and help more peopleunlock their challenges.
Lord, I just pray over all thepeople that are listening to
this podcast, this Seedcast, andgive them the courage to step
out.
Joshua 1.9,.
Be strong and courageous.
(53:08):
Do not be afraid or discourageddiscouraged for the Lord, god
is with you wherever you go.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
And.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Lord, I just hold everybody up in faith and give
them wisdom and understandingand knowledge and the skills to
do what you have them to do,Lord.
We just thank you for this timeand this new friendship and new
opportunities.
Lord, In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Amen.
Well, thank you so much.
Thank you for being a greatvoice who's setting others free.
I'm going to close with theHope Unlocked anchoring verse,
which is may the God of hopefill you with all joy and peace
in believing so that, by thepower of the Holy Spirit, you
may abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So thank you again, Elisa.
(53:56):
It was such a joy to have youon and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Bye listeners, Thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
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If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
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(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy ivy of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Elisa Rabin-Bell to theshow.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have herhere today.
I actually met her recentlywe're a new connection through a
local networking event that wehad gone to and I just loved
hearing how the Lord has led herin recent days and I wanted her
to come on and share her storyand what she is up to.
So, elisa, would you be open totelling us a little bit about
(01:20):
yourself before we get into it?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Certainly Very nice to see you again, kristen.
Yeah, I am originally fromCalifornia.
I was, I'm Jewish, I'm 100%Jewish, so that's kind of
interesting for folks.
I was raised just with a verysecular background but grew up
in Southern California, spent acouple of years in Ann Arbor,
(01:47):
michigan, after getting marriedout of college, and then moved
to Minnesota and within a yearof moving to Minnesota I got
divorced and that was aninteresting, challenging time
but it was through that divorcethat I came to faith and yeah,
(02:11):
and that was a long time ago.
So I've been a faithful Jewishbeliever walking with Jesus
since 1997.
And I would say a couple ofyears later I met my now husband
and he was playing baseball forthe St Paul Saints, a local
(02:32):
baseball team, and we gotmarried right after 9-11.
So that was a an interestingtime.
We have one daughter who is now20 20 and I've been married.
We've been married.
This fall will be 24 years, soyeah, a lot has gone on.
(02:56):
Um, career wise, I, uh I did 20some years in the nonprofit
space, pretty much doingeverything you could do in a
nonprofit, from event planningand database management to
annual and capital campaigns andgrant writing, that sort of
thing Including.
Also, I ran a small foundationat one point and I was in
(03:17):
association management and thentook a big detour and went into
tech sales, which sounds odd,but I went to work for a tech
company that sold into thenonprofit space, so it was a
great transition.
It was a lot of fun, did thatfor about seven, eight years
tech sales and then leftcorporate America in March of
(03:40):
2023 when the company I was atat the time we mutually decided
I didn't want to work thereanymore.
There's some health stuff thatwent along with that, and since
then I've been working to builda fractional social impact
practice.
Business as a consultantbasically means helping
(04:04):
faith-based business leaderswith their corporate
philanthropy.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, that's a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I want to get back to what you're doing now,
but I want to go back a littlebit to you're raised Jewish.
You were in essence, saved.
You came to faith in.
You said 97?
Was that when I read yeah, 1997.
What did that look like?
(04:44):
I mean, what was that encounterlike?
Was it a?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
church.
Tell us more about that.
I would love to hear more, andI'm sure the listeners would
love to hear more about your,you know, transformation journey
.
Yeah, so it's reallyinteresting.
Being Jewish is a lot of things.
It's a religion, it's a culture, it's in your DNA.
When I've done DNA tests, it'sliterally my DNA shows up as
like 99.9% Ashkenazi Jewish, andso it's it.
(05:05):
We weren't religious growing up.
It was never a part of what wedid.
We kind of, you know, we'd walkinto a synagogue if we had a
wedding or a death or a bar orbat mitzvah, and that was about
it.
So, um, the Jewish holidayswere celebrated pretty much to
get together to eat and drinkand be around family, but, but
(05:28):
we were very secular.
And so, um, when I met my firsthusband, um, he was a Christian
and he wanted me to go to churchwith him and I'd go once in a
while.
I didn't, um, I didn't, youknow, enjoy it.
I didn't spend a lot of timethere.
It was okay, I was willing todo it because, you know, he
(05:51):
asked me to and I'm like, okay,sure, no problem.
But there were several timeswhere I was confused or highly
offended or misunderstandingGod's word, and it's because I
didn't know, because no one toldme, no one taught me, and so
that was challenging.
And then, near the end of ourmarriage, there was a little
(06:16):
church near our house when wehad moved to Minnesota, and we
started going to this littlechurch and the pastor actually
counseled us through theconversations, through the
challenges, trying to mediateand help us save our marriage.
(06:39):
And I remember him clearlyasking my husband you know, if
he could see that I was on ajourney, I was asking a lot of
questions and he asked myhusband if he thought well, if
she became a Christian, wouldthat change anything?
And for him it wouldn't.
(07:01):
He had changed his mind, he fellout of love whatever the thing
(07:28):
was, and that was really hard tohear, that was hard to
understand, and so I startedgoing to the little church by
myself.
I'd sit in the back of thechurch.
I didn't know anybody, I'd sitin the back of the church and
just cry.
I was just distraught anddidn't understand and was
confused to hear I'm 2000 milesfrom home and had no family, no
friends, nobody here.
I was working at a hospitalfoundation in St Paul and had a
few new coworkers but that wasabout it.
So it was a lot, it was hard,but the pastor was very wise and
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just a really great human beingand he introduced me to a young
couple at the church.
They had a and their son, Ithink, was an infant, he was in
a car carrier car seat still andthey were very active in youth
there.
They were very active in thechurch and they had gone to
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college out in California.
So I think the pastor thoughtoh, there's a little connection,
I'll introduce you, get yousome friends.
And it turns out that they andtheir families were at a deep
searching point, looking for theJewishness of their Christian
faith.
At the same time I am seekingout, you know, the Christianity
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of Jesus, the Christianity ofJewishness, if you will, and I
started going to some differentmeetings and events and
information and less you know,teachings and things with them.
And they spend a lot of timejust nurturing and talking with
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me.
And so I started.
I kept going to this littlechurch and I made some more
friends.
There was another couple therethat they were going into some
other form of ministry.
The husband would always try to.
He would just argue with me andyell at me and tell me all
these things and you have tobelieve blah, blah, blah.
And his wife was.
It was such an opposite and shewas so kind and sweet and she's
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like you can't just argue herinto heaven, it's not going to
work.
And so there were severalcouples that I just really
clicked with, and that firstcouple that I mentioned.
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They ended up going to bemissionaries in Israel for 14
years.
And the other couple went towork for Wycliffe and another
couple went to work for YoungLife.
Like all my friends left to gobe missionaries.
But the.
Thing that I felt drawn to wasto really be a missionary, if
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you will, to the Christians andto open their eyes to the
Jewishness of their Christianfaith, wow.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So what does that look like?
I mean walking that out withpeople, even over the years
since that point point.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I've done a lot of teachings on things like
Passover, where it overlaps somuch with Christianity, and
reminding Christians that theBible doesn't start with the
book of Matthew.
The Bible doesn't start withthe book of John.
It doesn't start with theGospels.
The Bible starts with Genesis.
And just having conversationsand being open to people asking
me questions I don't have allthe answers by any means, but
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I'm open to talking to folksabout the Jewishness of Jesus
and reminding them.
Oh yeah, by the way, the entirebook, except for Luke and Acts,
were written by Jews.
It's um.
You know.
It's important to to rememberthat.
Um, it started, it started inum.
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It started with Abraham andIsaac and Jacob and God spoke to
them and brought in the faith.
So, yeah, I mean I answer lotsof questions from folks when
they find out that I'm Jewishand I'm happy to share and do
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some.
I've done teaching, like I saiddo some.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I've done teaching, like I said.
So when you've done teaching,do you have like, do you have a
course, or do you have likematerials that you've given to
people to help them, like uh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
not an official course by any means, but, like I
, I'll bring a group of friendsthe other christian friends and
I and we'll walk through apassover, sed, okay, or you know
, talking even about Hanukkah,which isn't in the Bible, but
talking through Old Testamentbooks and how it relates Esther
(12:19):
and the story of Esther is oneof my favorites, and Esther 4.14
414, how you know, and how her,her cousin, mordecai, basically
said if, if, if not you, thenwho?
And and maybe you were born forsuch a time as this.
So, uh, yeah, so it's it.
(12:41):
It comes out kind of in a lotof different ways.
I don't have an official courseby any means, but it's, but if
people ask, I'm happy to shareand talk about it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You know it's interesting.
Even when we got started, Iimmediately was thinking of
Esther, and I don't know ifyou've seen the movie.
One night with the King.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes, yes, one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Now, the reason I was thinking that was because right
when we got started I lookedout my window and there was a
white butterfly which is, Idon't know if you remember, in
the beginning of that moviethere was a white butterfly when
it was dark outside.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, I do Nice .
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm glad to share that with you, but I remember,
you know, back in 2020 and 2021,for me personally, like the
Lord was calling me to use myvoice in a new way, and even
with you know Esther 414, wetypically look at it and it's,
you know, on shirts and bumperstickers, and you know, coffee
mugs like for such a time asthis but it's not fluffy.
It's not a fluffy verse, it's.
You know the Lord was showingme like, back it up a little bit
, like for if you remain silent,right, you know moments of your
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walk with Christ, or just inlife in general, where you feel
like you've been silenced orhave had challenges using your
voice.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Absolutely.
I mentioned I was in nonprofitspace for 20 plus years and and
and in the tech space to my myentire career.
Basically it was a very secular, very liberal environment.
I couldn't speak out about myfaith and I also, I don't think
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I was confident enough to in ain a public space, in the church
, amongst my friends.
That was one thing, but in thebusiness world it was very, very
challenging, and so I kind ofhid my light under a basket, if
you will.
I took a different tact when Ileft corporate in 2023, where,
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as I was kind of coming to whatit was, I felt like God was
calling me to do with this thefractional social impact serving
business leaders with theircorporate philanthropy.
God told me to narrow it downeven more and work with
faith-based business leaders.
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Work with those.
God told me to narrow it downeven more and work with
faith-based business leaders.
Work with those leaders andbusinesses that have a
Judeo-Christian backbone to themand who are wanting to be
bolder about their faith.
And it's given me anopportunity the last couple of
years to be even bolder about myfaith.
I'm not shy about it anymore.
I wear my cross.
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I have a, a star of David witha cross in the middle, and I
wear it all the time.
Um, I have, in fact, esther 414and a um uh cross with a star
and a heart around it, bothtattooed on my wrist, and
they're reminders to be bold andpeople ask me they see those
(16:06):
tattoos and they ask questions,right, and I've put it out on
social media.
I've done faith-based posts andmy website has that basically
right on there as well.
So it's been interesting.
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I've gone to networking eventsand everybody's introducing
themselves and gets to me whoare you, what do you do?
Well, I serve faith-basedbusiness leaders with their
corporate philanthropy and mostpeople are like, oh, that's so
interesting.
I've never heard of that before.
Oh, wow, that's great.
I'm a Christian too and itopens up doors for other people
to have those conversations.
But it's also caused people toturn away.
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I was at one event and a gal Iintroduced myself and she kind
of looked at me sideways and shesays, well, is that all
religions?
And I said, is it all faiths?
And I said well, and I couldtell she had a different
background and I just said, look, I'm a Jewish believer.
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This is what I know and this iswhat I'm starting with and what
I'm talking to folks about.
Whether I work with I don't knowHindus, buddhists, muslims,
others down the road, I don'tknow.
Um, because that's I don't knowanything about that.
That's not who I am and that'snot what I feel God has called
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me to do.
So I'm, you know it, it.
It can push people away.
But with that being said, youknow, I think that's okay.
I mean, you don't have to beeverything to everybody and I
don't want to be you know, Ireally want to be what God wants
me to be.
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I really want to be strong andcourageous and not afraid or
discouraged like Joshua.
Joshua one nine tells us, youknow, and it's important to
follow where God is leading you.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So yes, well, I love you know, I love that you've.
It's like what I call like aflip the script right.
So you were immersed in anenvironment where you you
basically couldn't talk aboutyour faith, um know, openly,
freely.
And now you're free and you'rein a place where you can talk
openly and freely as you're led,but you're doing it in a bold
(18:33):
way, like unafraid and notashamed and not willing to let
somebody else and theirviewpoint stop you from doing
what you're doing.
I just want to commend you forthat.
Not everybody is willing, or Idon't know.
The best word is like again thatcourage, right, the courage to
step out, first of all, out of aspace like similar to me.
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We both did.
This is part of why I wanted tohave Ron too is because, you
know, I'm encountering morepeople who are actually like
stepping out of.
For me, I called it Egypt, itwas Egypt, and you know somebody
else who's taken a really boldstep of faith to leave behind,
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you know, maybe a more quoteunquote secure position to come
out, follow what the Lord'sdoing.
Position to come out, followwhat the Lord's doing.
And then also, you know, inthis day and age we're we're not
always seen as like the mostpopular people.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yes, I get that.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So besides you know that encounter what I love, what
you said, like you, basicallyI'm not going to work with
everybody.
I like to say I'm not ready,Everybody's not for me.
I'm not going to work witheverybody, I like to say I'm not
ready, everybody's not for me,and I think 100% that point.
You know and just accept thatlike it's okay.
It's okay that you are not, youknow my clients, right, not
saying you, but just in general.
(19:57):
When we come across people thatare like yeah, yeah, whatever.
So when you like, when youstepped out, can you, can you
say again like fractional, yousaid fractional, say again.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I call it fractional social impact.
So how this came about was, um,as I was uh seeking kind of
what my my next was going to be,I I took basically all of 2023
off.
I wouldn't call it a sabbatical,I would call it kind of a
healing journey, because and sowe can let me back up a little
(20:32):
and I started at a company, avery large international tech
company, working remotely.
I started there in the fall of2021.
And six months in it was likeMay of 2022, out of the blue,
started having horrible vertigoattacks and we couldn't figure
(20:57):
out what was triggering them.
I would be dizzy, I'd be lyingon the couch for two, three days
at a time, very, very sick.
My husband like jumped intonurse mode and he had about 10
seconds to get me from my deskto the couch.
And it was just awful, it washorrible.
It went on for about six months.
(21:17):
Um and, like I said, there wasno um, no warning signs, no, um,
you know, know, triggers thatwe could prevent.
Yeah, and finally I went to adoctor.
It was january of 2023.
Um friend, uh, recommended adoctor down in red wing,
(21:37):
minnesota.
He's a chiropractor, naturalhealth care guy, christian, and
and he had all these tests runblood tests and other kinds of
things but he's also veryintuitive, insightful, he worked
with folks on all kinds ofissues, but especially
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anti-inflammatory kinds ofthings, and so the tests come
back and he basically says well,you are gluten sensitive.
And here are all the things Irecommend.
I'm like, wait a minute him, allthese tests, because I'm just,
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I was just blown away.
He said you need to go coldturkey, a hundred percent, cut
out gluten, cut out dairy,because dairy mimics gluten.
So you have to get rid of dairytoo.
And you need to stop taking anyover the counter pain meds and
drink half your body weight inwater in ounces every day and
eat like bucketfuls ofvegetables and all these things.
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And I just, I was just shocked,I was so confused because I've
never been an unhealthy eater,I've always eaten really well.
And so to to learn all of thisand to realize it wasn't
necessarily me, but it's, it'sthe food system and it's food
process in America is just notgood.
(23:07):
And, um, yeah, so by that point, um, I wasn't doing my job, I
couldn't do my job at all.
And uh, sat down with, um, well,virtual sit down with your
manager, and when they they putthose meetings on your calendar
and the HR person shows up, youknow it's it's time to go.
(23:29):
So so I joke yeah, right, butyou know I joke that we mutually
decided I didn't want to workthere anymore because they did
give me a choice.
They said you could, you know,we could put you on a, on a PIP,
a personal improvement plan,where you know, here's a couple
months salary to walk now.
And I'm like took me about twoseconds to think that one over.
(23:51):
And yeah, so I left there inMarch of 2023 and spent the my
garden, with my dogs, with myfamily and really with myself,
like learning how to eatdifferent, learning how to cook.
Know, he took away, he tookbread and cheese and pizzas and
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delicious, yummy food, but I'vefound ways to make up for it.
And I still have a glass ofwine now and again.
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Don't tell my doctor, was thata?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
no-no for him.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He wanted me to cut out alcohol and everything too.
And I'm like dude, you cut outbread and cheese and some other
and pizza.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I love pizza.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I still have wine.
Yeah, Isn't it?
Isn't it fascinating?
Um, I shared with you before wegot started on here.
I was talking to a neighborearlier and, um, you know, part
of my I don't even, I won't godown that rabbit trail, but
there are ways naturally to heal.
Yeah, I love that.
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Sometimes it takes, you know,personally, I think it was 12,
15 years ago that I discoveredthat gluten was a thing and I
was, you know, check off, youknow, take it out for 30 days
and within three days I feltamazing and I was like what in
the world?
Like I've been suffering allthis time because doctors, like
(25:36):
couldn't figure out what wasgoing on, but it took just
removing food.
That you think is good.
Right, You's yeah you know,because I would buy, like,
healthy grain, you know food,and um, dairy was a thing for me
too, and, um, I think it's justso interesting and I'm hoping
(25:57):
you know I'm not going to keepgoing down this rabbit trail too
long, but, um, I think that theworld is starting to wake up a
little bit, as far as you knowmore holistic measures, you know
more naturopathic measures, butthe unfortunate part of that is
that it does come with a cost,a financial cost, because you
know, most people are oninsurance and it's not covered.
(26:18):
So, all that to say, I thinkyou would agree with me.
Like, if you're given adiagnosis, um, my heart and the
key is like, try to get to theroot, like, what is the reason
that this is happening?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Don't slap me with a uh prescription right away, like
what is the reason um justputting this out there?
Would you agree as well?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh yeah, I, I, I was able to step away from all kinds
of prescriptions that everymedical doctor had given me
during those six months that Iwas ill.
I went to a ton of differentdoctors ear, nose and throat
doctors.
I went to dizzy doctors andspecialists.
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I went to my own primary doc.
Doctors and specialists I wentto my own primary doc and they
all gave me different.
You know, here's a differentprescription.
I think I had four or five orsix different prescriptions
going at once.
Now I'm down to one and that wasfor something else that is
totally unrelated, and it's, andI, food is life, food is health
(27:23):
, and if you're not feeding yourengine properly, you're, you're
gonna feel crummy.
And so you know, when peopleask me oh, is it hard to give up
?
I could never give up bread, Icould never give up cheese,
whatever, and if you don't feelgood when you're putting it in
your body, it's not that hard togive it up.
Exactly, and I, I have nodesire to risk it, like people
(27:48):
you know have have asked haveyou, have you even just tried a
piece of bread?
No, because I don't want tomess up the work, all the hard
work I've done the last coupleyears, yeah, so yes, I know,
like I've I call it gettingglutened.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh yeah, inadvertently and almost
immediate.
It's like an immediate reactionand it takes like a week to
kind of get recalibrated.
And it's like I've had peoplesimilarly.
They're like why don't you justhave a piece of pizza?
And I'm like, no, you don'tunderstand.
Like I do believe that I willbe healed of this.
Um, but there's an aspect ofalso like maybe it's going to be
(28:22):
that I go over to anothercountry where they're actually
giving us, you know, good foodand I will be able to have some
pizza Right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I've heard that.
Yeah, I've heard that whenpeople that are celiac or have,
you know, big gluten issues,when they're in other countries,
especially in Europe, that theydon't have any issues, no
issues.
So, yeah, it's.
It's funny though, you know,now, going to restaurants I used
to.
I used to.
If you think about what was,what was it like when Harry met
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Sally the movie, when Harry metSally, when they were in the
restaurant and she, she was justsuper high maintenance,
ordering, very specific, all thethings she had to have, just
right, yeah, and I used to justlaugh about that.
Well, now I'm that person,you're not alone, I'm with you
and I okay.
So so leave this off and andexchange this and do that, but
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do this and like, even cooking,don't cook like my.
I can order a steak, but don'tcook my steak with butter.
You got to use olive oil, right.
So I'm, I'm just all over thatand I'm that person.
My husband just laughs at menow.
He's's like you are that person.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, I just prophesied.
I say I'm very special and I'vegot some special things here.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I'm special, but you know it's funny.
I think more and more peopleare doing that.
More and more people are thatway.
You're seeing gluten-freeoptions and people and menus
that are marked gluten-free,dairy-free, vegan, whatever the
thing is, and it's just it'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, and it's.
It's it to me goes.
Hmm, there's a lot of peopledealing with this.
Maybe we should do somethingabout it.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yes, absolutely.
That's where my brain goes, youknow Well, and we're starting
to see a little bit of that.
I'm hoping that's changing withsome of the things some of the
health and human services.
You know the currentadministration, getting rid of
some of the, getting rid of allof the poisons that are in our
food.
Hopefully they can.
They can make a you know, makethat a permanent thing that
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their companies are literallyprocessing and providing.
The same company is making theexact same product two different
ways, one for America and onefor Europe.
Like, really Isn't that nuts?
It's insane, Totally crazy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's a whole rabbit hole I could go down.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I was just going to say we just went down a little
rabbit trail.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Somebody needed to hear about that right.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, for sure.
But I did want to finish how Icame up with.
You know, we want to circleback where I am now.
So I started in 2024, kind ofdigging into what I wanted to do
next, and I looked at mybackground and I started going
to networking events.
And now I go to like I've beento a gazillion networking events
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over the last couple of years,meeting so many amazing people.
But I kept hearing about thisthing called fractional and I
didn't know what it meant.
But did some research andtalked to some folks and learned
more about it.
I thought I love that idea ofbeing a fractional employee in a
, at a corporate level, andhelping companies you know,
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fraction of the cost, fractionof the time, um, with all of the
expertise.
And I thought, well, what is itthat I've done that I could,
you know, do that's fractional?
And and none of the uh peopleout there were were doing
anything like this.
They were ever.
They were fractional CMOs, cfos, coos there's a gazillion of
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those out there.
And I thought, well, I knowphilanthropy, I know nonprofits
and foundations and that sort ofthing, and so I thought I'll
make up my own thing.
Love it.
I made up my own thing.
I was like you've got to sharethis.
Yeah, so I call it fractionalsocial impact.
It's basically corporatephilanthropy helping small and
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mid-sized companies, businessleaders, those, like I said,
Judeo-Christian backbonecompanies, be bolder in their
faith, stepping out and aligningthem with the values of
nonprofits that they want topartner with, that they want to
serve, that they want tovolunteer with, um, that sort of
(32:35):
thing.
So uh, yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
that's kind of where I'm at, so so, if like, can you
give us an example of um youknow, I don't know if you have
to be confidential um, butsomebody that maybe you you've
worked with or you're currentlyworking with, and what that
looks like for you to comealongside these companies?
I have a feeling somebody'slike well, I don't really
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understand like what does thislook like tangibly?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, so there's a couple of different ways.
So on my website I set it up inkind of like a small, medium,
large package to large packagefor lack of a better term.
Like in the small sense, I cancome into a company and be a
facilitator for a brainstormingsession.
Maybe the company has decidedthat giving our employees one
(33:25):
day a year to volunteer isn'treally as much as we want to be
doing.
We want to do more, and somaybe they have some ideas, but
they're not sure where to start.
So I can facilitate abrainstorming session and help
them come up with a bunch ofdifferent ideas that they can
then turn around and implementin, you know, with internal
folks, with however they want.
So that's one idea.
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Another is maybe they want todo that and they want to
actually get help to do an eventor a project or something.
So come in and work with themand pull together Maybe it's a
fundraising event for anonprofit that they want to
partner with and so helping themplan it out and do all the
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marketing and communication andinternal work to to implement a
big event in a year from now andwe work together on a project.
Okay, on a large scale, afractional um is really like
being embedded with their, withthe corporate leadership, so
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helping them dig into theirvalues, dig into their views and
their perspective on who theyare, and so doing a lot of.
I come and do a lot of research, discovery, interviews,
conversations with theleadership, with their employees
, with their customers, andlearn about the company.
(34:54):
Then pull together you know, Idon't know 20, you know a dozen,
15, 20 ideas of either projectsor non-profits, organizations
that they could potentially workwith and partner with, and then
we, we work together in a youknow, brainstorming session, if
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you, brainstorm session, if youwill, to to narrow that down
into okay, this is what wereally want to do here's, here's
what works for us.
And then we I walk with them andhelp them implement and put
that into practice.
So then, bringing alongsidesomeone internal to run it, long
(35:46):
term tool, networkingopportunity, fundraising plan
for ways that they're going togive away money, the way they're
going to volunteer in thecommunity, the way that they're
going to partner with anonprofit and do they include it
(36:06):
in their social media or ontheir website, work, or do they
act behind the scenes and do itall anonymously and quietly.
They're both biblical right.
God wants us to help people andshare and acknowledge who we're
supporting and what we're doing.
But he also said you know, givequietly and don't let your
right hand know what your lefthand is doing, basically.
(36:28):
So so either way, I'm happy tohelp customers, clients with uh,
with, you know, big, bigvisions or just initial ideas of
brainstorming and that sort ofthing.
So unique.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yes, I love it because I'm I mean, I'm guessing
and you can correct me on this,but maybe most companies don't
typically.
Maybe, I don't know, it wouldbe more HR that would have some
knowledge in this area, butmaybe I wouldn't imagine that
most companies would know kindof how to walk this out.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, I think that's probably the biggest challenge
is these leaders don't know whatthey don't know and they don't
know that they need me.
Um, and yeah, it oftencommunity engagement, um
employee volunteerism, umcorporate philanthropy it often
falls under either hr ormarketing.
(37:25):
But a lot of those companies umtheir hr people are busy doing
hr stuff and their marketingpeople are busy doing marketing
stuff and they're not experts inphilanthropy or community
engagements and it's not theirexpertise and they're overtaxed.
They're already doing what theyneed to be doing, so uh you know
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, for a leader to step up andsay, you know we need to bring
in outside help to do somethinglike this, like that's, that's
who I'm looking for, that's whoI want to work with.
And and these leaders that say,yes, you know, partnering and
giving away money and andinvolving our employees and how
we give away our money right Isis important to to the company
(38:12):
and, honestly, it impacts bottomline issues.
It impacts recruitment andretention.
It impacts customer loyaltyright.
Because a lot of things we'reseeing these days, especially
with younger generations, arethat they want to work for
companies that share theirvalues.
(38:33):
No matter where you are on thespectrum of politics and
religion and whatever else,people want to work with
companies that share theirvalues and they want to work for
companies that share theirvalues and they want to buy from
companies that share theirvalues.
And people are bolder about it.
And then maybe it's justbecause we're more, it's more
visible because of social media.
I don't know, but it's becomingmore and more common to see
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that and and I feel like I havean opportunity to help improve
that for companies and helpbolster their, their, their,
their, their values.
And and really, like we talkedabout at the beginning, there's
you're not for everybody, right,and so people that you're going
(39:19):
to have either employees thatare going to self-select out,
either in you know already atemployee employed with you or um
, or through the hiring process,or your customers are going to
walk away, but you're going todraw other customers, right.
So every company isn'teveryone's cup of tea, right?
(39:43):
There's examples of cancelculture that we've seen in the
last three, four, five yearsthat have been just crazy.
on both sides all sides rightPeople support Chick-fil-A and
they go to Chick-fil-A for avariety of reasons, and maybe
one of which is that they'reclosed on Sundays and they
support Christian values.
(40:03):
Or Hobby Lobby same thing.
Hobby Lobby is the same thing,but you know there's companies
that support other issues andpeople can choose to support who
they want to choose to supportand work for who they want to
work for um years ago, and partof what I loved working there
(40:33):
for was being able to do, like,um, community service, and we
would get kind of a, I would saylike a stipend, quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
We could use a certain number of hours, um,
they would pay you basically togo out and do community service,
and that was part of what keptme at this job for a while, was
that was one of the perks?
Um, that, yeah, but um, I canimagine, you know, having I, I
love companies that give back.
I just, personally, I've alwaysloved, if I find let's just say
I'm just using this as anexample like a jewelry company
that sells xyz but then theygive back to, you know, like a,
(41:08):
like a nonprofit, or they'regiving back to help a cause on
the backend, like I'm more proneto go to those companies than I
am a, you know, yeah, normalcompany.
Does that make sense?
Oh, no.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I think people will.
I think people will spend moremoney or go drive further or
order online, you know, and nothave free shipping and whatever
be, in order to supportcompanies that fit their values
or that are, that are andwhatever.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That is right so well , I think back, I think one of
the first companies that I I canthink of, and I don't.
I don't know if they're afaith-based company I don't, I
don't believe that they are butit was like Tom shoes top shoes
where you buy one and thenthey'd give one away.
I just thought that was thecoolest concept.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Well, and I think there's a sock company too.
Bomba socks is another one.
They do the same thing.
Yeah, bombas, I think, I thinkthey're good a lot of companies
out there that are very vocal,very intentional, very bold
about what it is that they'redoing, and and who they support.
They put it on their website,right their their community
(42:24):
engagement page, whatever that'scalled on on a company's site
it talks about oh, we support Bemy Starving Children.
Or we support you know Matter,we support this, you know,
trafficking organization orwhatever, whatever fits their
values.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And you can help.
You can even help them kind ofdetermine which pathway to go
down to as well.
Right, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Because you know there's so many nonprofits and
so many organizations out there.
So, as a company, how do youknow?
Do you encourage your employeesto participate and give back?
Are you going to limit?
Are you going to do matchinggifts or do you limit where your
matching gifts can go Right?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
If you're a faith-based organization.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Do you want to do a matching gift to Planned
Parenthood or to some othercompanies, right so?
Other nonprofits, probably not.
So you know, what guidelines doyou have in place for your
organization?
What guidelines do you have inplace for employee giving,
employee matching?
And?
And if you refuse to give tocertain organizations, are those
(43:35):
employees going to stick around?
Right, right, like you talkedabout?
You like staying at a companybecause of some of the benefits
and the things that they wereoffering you?
People also will walk away fromcompanies that don't share.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
So yes, so can you do .
Is it local and like, can youdo this around the world?
Can you step in like virtually?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, well, I say that I'm not limited by
geography.
I'm keeping it right now to thepretty much to the U S um the
laws, international laws, forphilanthropy is is varied and
I'm not an expert ininternational philanthropic law.
So not yet, not yet God hasn'tdownloaded that to me yet Um,
(44:22):
but but pretty much anywhere inthe U?
S.
Yeah, I, I'm not limited bygeography, um, I don't have
little kids at home.
Like I said, my daughter's 20and she's on her own doing her
own thing.
Now.
She's a superstar, and so I,yeah virtual or you know, they
make things called airplanes.
You can go somewhere and meetpeople in person, which I prefer
, meeting people in person.
However, I'm yeah, I'm totallyopen to, you know, small,
(44:48):
midsize companies the reallysmall companies are kind of
doing it on their own, and thereally really big enterprise
level companies have teams ofpeople that are doing it for
them.
So, okay, it's kind of thatmiddle range that I'm looking at
okay.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
So would you say, um, I guess I'm I'm thinking out
loud here um, if you're gonnalike, if you're going to like,
if you're going to speak tosomebody and they're listening
and their, their, their, theirears are perked up, um, like
what?
What would be something elsethat you'd want to share in
relation to what you do that ummight help them, um, reach out
(45:23):
to you.
Is there anything else that youwanted to share in relation to
this?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, Well, I think, um, if you're, you know, if
you're a business owner, ifyou're a business leader at a
company and employees are askingfor opportunities to go
volunteer, and you want tosupport them in that, if you're
looking for ways to give moremoney away and you want to not
(45:52):
just write a check for a couplethousand dollars here and there,
maybe you want to engage youremployees in that and build an
employee committee that pullstogether ideas for ways to
volunteer in the community or togive money away and to to
support that, maybe starting amatching gift program or opening
(46:14):
a fund at a communityfoundation in your local area,
Um, or?
Or there's a national Christianfound.
The national Christianfoundation is a community
foundation as well.
Um, and, and thinking about youknow, is God calling you to be
bolder in your walk?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Um and and thinking about, you know?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
is God calling you to be bolder in your walk?
Um, are you, you know, walkingout your, your, your talk that,
oh yeah, I'm a Christian and Iget to these organizations, or I
support these organizations,but are you really doing as much
as you could?
Are you really, um, you know,are you are really inviting God
to walk with you in, in yourbusiness, on a daily basis?
(46:56):
yeah, so yeah, lots of I meanlots of ideas, lots of things to
think about.
Um, you know, if, if you feellike you're, if you feel like
you're doing something but youwant to do more, if you feel
like you're doing something butyou want to do more, if you feel
like your internal people thatyou have working on it now
aren't, you know, are neededelsewhere and aren't able to do
(47:20):
all the things, if you'rewanting to expand or just even
launch, maybe you don't haveanything going on and you really
feel called to do more or addprocesses, procedures,
technology to the mix.
You know so good.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, I'm imagining.
I'm a very visual person.
I'm almost seeing, like youknow, kind of if it's like a
building for a business, likethe hands and feet going out and
being like catalysts in thecommunity broader level.
Because, um, I think a lot ofpeople just really have a heart
to give back and, like you said,you know, I see you as just
this resource or you.
You know the ins and outs he's,this is part of your.
(48:01):
You know inner working to helppeople in this area and I'm just
so excited for what he's goingto do through you, because this
is a new thing, it's verydifferent but it's so unique.
And I love the people that aredoing those things.
So he's his hands all over this.
Let me do that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I feel that too.
Thank you, I appreciate theencouragement, the reminder.
It is very different.
It is very different and it'sbeen.
(48:42):
You know all transparency.
It's been a bit of a challengeto find my people, if you will,
and find people that are willingto take a chance and doing
something different.
There's lots of fractionalfolks out there.
There's lots of consultants inthe philanthropic, you know,
non-profit foundation space, butI, honestly, when I I talk to
folks, I don't think I've heardof anybody that's doing
fractional philanthropy,consulting to the faith-based
(49:03):
community specifically.
So it's it's a pretty smallniche that I love it.
That's carved out and it isunique and beautiful.
Yeah, I feel like it has.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, for sure you're , you're trailblazing.
So I I'm sure that this, you,you're maybe the first of of
many that'll come, come along.
Yeah, yeah, well, and ifsomebody's listening in today to
that, you know that's maybe inthis realm and is curious about
you, know what you're doing, um,in that respect.
(49:36):
But then also, you know, ifsomebody is wanting to hear more
about how you can help abusiness, what is the best way
that they can reach out to youand hear more?
Speaker 1 (49:45):
on my website has all my contact information on it.
Lionheartadventuresbiz, if youwant to list that somewhere, you
can.
Yes, put that best way toconnect with me.
Reach out to me.
I'm on LinkedIn as well.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Okay, yeah, could you say the website again?
Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's lionheartadventuresbiz B-I-Z.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
And I'll be sure to link that in the show notes as
well.
And I was hearing likeLionheart adventures.
Oh, that's an idea, it is anadventure, this whole like
leaving Egypt and walking outwhat he's calling us to do, that
looks different.
It's definitely an adventure,wouldn't you say?
Absolutely, I call it a wildadventure.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I like that.
I'm going to have to write thatone down, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
People are like how are you doing?
I'm like, I'm still on a wildadventure.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
And it's beautiful.
The scenery is wonderful.
Well, it has been a joy to haveyou on today.
Whenever I'm doing thesepodcast episodes, I imagine the
one who's listening in.
So if you would be open to justthinking about that one who's
listening in, are there anywords of encouragement or wisdom
that you feel led to speak overthem?
(51:00):
And then would you mind prayingus out today as we wrap up?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'd love that.
Thank you, words ofencouragement.
I love that.
(51:29):
Thank you, words ofencouragement.
You know, be bold in your faith, be willing to take the arrows,
because you know that if you'restanding in that space that God
wants you, that he'll protectyou and he'll lead you into
where he wants you to be.
Yes, we do have to leave thatquote Egypt in order to go
through the desert sometimes,and sometimes that's what it
feels like, but know that on theother side is the promised land
right, and I think there's hopeand there's an opportunity, and
(51:54):
be creative.
I think I would say also to findyour people.
It's important to connect withlike-minded and kingdom-minded
believers.
It's not to say that we don'ttalk to other people, that isn't
it at all.
It's that you have to have thatsupport in order to be in the
world and not of the world, andI think that's a valuable lesson
(52:18):
that I've learned.
But I think most importantly isto just really to be bold.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
So good.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah.
So, lord, I just thank you forthis time.
I thank you for um, for kristinand her ministry and her
coaching practice and and hervision.
For this, I think that that youhave your hand on her, lord,
and um, you're gonna, you'regonna help her grow and blossom
(52:48):
and blossom and help more peopleunlock their challenges.
Lord, I just pray over all thepeople that are listening to
this podcast, this Seedcast, andgive them the courage to step
out.
Joshua 1.9,.
Be strong and courageous.
(53:08):
Do not be afraid or discourageddiscouraged for the Lord, god
is with you wherever you go.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
And.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Lord, I just hold everybody up in faith and give
them wisdom and understandingand knowledge and the skills to
do what you have them to do,Lord.
We just thank you for this timeand this new friendship and new
opportunities.
Lord, In Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Amen.
Well, thank you so much.
Thank you for being a greatvoice who's setting others free.
I'm going to close with theHope Unlocked anchoring verse,
which is may the God of hopefill you with all joy and peace
in believing so that, by thepower of the Holy Spirit, you
may abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So thank you again, Elisa.
(53:56):
It was such a joy to have youon and I will be back with
another episode next week.
Bye listeners, Thank you.
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