May 1, 2025 • 52 mins
In this deeply moving episode of Hope Unlocked, host Kristin Kurtz welcomes Brittany Poppe, an abortion recovery coach, speaker, and host of the Does God Forgive Abortion? podcast. Brittany courageously shares her powerful testimony—from an unplanned pregnancy and abortion at 17 to healing, motherhood, and her ministry helping women grieve, heal, and encounter the redemptive love of Jesus. She unpacks the emotional aftermath, the path to freedom through post-abortion Bible study, and her calling to walk alongside others.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
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feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
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(00:38):
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Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Brittany Pope to theshow.
I am just thrilled to have herhere with us today because I
(01:01):
know that she has a story thatis going to reach the one.
Have her here with us todaybecause I know that she has a
story that is going to reach theone.
Even before we got started, Iwas just praying and I just felt
my heart over what she's goingto share with us today.
So I know his hand is on thistoday and, brittany, would you
be open to sharing a little bitabout yourself before we get
into your story.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, absolutely, kristen.
Thank you so much for having me.
As Kristen said, my name isBrittany and I am from Fargo,
north Dakota.
So right now, at time ofrecording, it's starting to feel
like spring and it is just solovely and we're so thankful.
I am married.
(02:08):
My husband and I have beenmarried for just over six years
and we have two living children,ever exempt from the love that
he has for them.
So that's kind of what I feellike my calling in life is.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Wow, can I ask, just being where you are in Fargo,
where do you go to church?
Is it a place that you wouldrecommend to somebody in your
area?
I know a lot of people are justkind of in and out of church
right now and looking for really, you know, amazing places to
step into.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, oh my gosh, I could not recommend my church
enough.
My church is called True NorthChurch.
They are a fairly new churchplant.
They started in September of2021 was actually their first
service, and this past weekendwe actually just had a huge
celebration.
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We've been growingexponentially.
We're in the 1% of churches forgrowth in the nation I think
it's the nation and growth inthe nation I think it's a nation
and we've grown so fast that weneeded to get our own permanent
building.
So we have a beautiful newchurch that God has given us,
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and our pastors are amazing, sorooted in the Bible and so
compassionate.
You can just really tell thatGod has his hand on each of them
as they teach.
And just I again.
Yeah, I could not recommend mychurch enough.
We do also do online services,so anyone at a distance can find
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them on YouTube and listen in.
If you're wanting a message ofencouragement, that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So how did you?
Did you grow up in church then,Like that was at the basis of
your upbringing?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, so I did.
My parents really taught mefrom, I mean from when I can
remember just about our faithand Jesus and that that's what
we lean on.
I was raised in a Baptistchurch for the first like 10
years of my life and then wemoved to where I live now and
(04:17):
started going to moreevangelical type churches and I
am non-denominational now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, okay.
So for those who are listening,I don't know if you'd be open
to it.
You know, baptist, evangelical,non-denominational.
Somebody might be saying well,what is the difference?
We've got people around thecountry and in other countries
who might be wondering, like,what is the difference?
Since you were raised in thosespaces?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, so I may not be able to do this like total
justice, but from what I recall,you know, being raised
partially Baptist, you knowBaptists believe that baptism
happens when you are old enoughto decide that for yourself.
So my mom had actually beenraised Lutheran, which Lutherans
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do infant baptisms, and so Iwas not baptized when I was an
infant.
I didn't get baptized until Iwas about 26 and had chosen to
do that, and so that was kind oflike the biggest difference I
remember there was no.
You know, I would have friendsthat would be preparing to go
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through confirmation and thingslike that, and the Baptist
church doesn't do that.
And then, same with, you know,the evangelical church it's very
, you know, kind of similar inthat regard, where it's not
necessarily like infant baptismsor confirmation, those kinds of
traditional things that, likeCatholics and Lutherans will do.
(05:54):
But now going non-denominational, we really kind of focus on
like we love you, no matterwhere you're coming from or what
denomination you grew up in,and I would say that's true for
most churches who have adenomination anyway.
So that wasn't a knock onanybody, it was just more so of
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a like.
We don't claim to be a part ofany sort of denomination.
We just, yeah, focus on theperson when they walk through
the door.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Beautiful.
Well, I'm so glad that you haveum a wonderful place Like I
think it's just incredible thatthe church is growing like that.
Um, there's just, you know, somuch going on in our world right
now where people are walkingaway from the faith, and but
then we have so many that arelooking as well, like we're in
such a time, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, absolutely I.
I feel like God really is umjust pursuing and not that he
wasn't before, but I feel likeyou can just kind of feel the
pursuit that he has Um, and therevival that's happening it's
beautiful to be a part of, forsure.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yes, well, I love it.
My son is actually in Fargo, afreshman at NDSU.
No way, yes, I was like when Iheard that you're in Fargo, I'm
like, oh my gosh, that's wheremy son is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He loves it.
That is so cool.
Well, we'll have to meet upsometime when you come visit.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I would love that.
Well, I know you have quite astory, if those of you have been
here from the beginning, hopeUnlocked.
The first season was calledVoices of Hope from the Valley.
Highlight women who've walkedthrough the fire and they've
come out on the other side withquite a testimony to help bring
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breakthrough and freedom,whether to those who've walked
through something similar, or tobe parallel to those who are
walking through a reallychallenging journey.
So, brittany, would you be opento sharing with us some of the
challenges that you've walkedthrough?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, absolutely so, as we kind of talked about.
You know, I was raised with aChristian foundation and when I
was about six years old, my dadended up being diagnosed with a
terminal illness.
He was a Vietnam veteran.
He was 15 years older than mymom, so there was a little bit
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of an age gap there and, uh,when that happened, you know, my
parents really focused on mymom did such, telling us things
age appropriately.
So I have a younger brotherhe's about four years younger
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than me so we always knew thetruth, you know, um, but in an
age appropriate way.
It was never like doom and gloom, um, things like that we had.
We had hope because we had ourfaith foundation.
We had Jesus at the center ofour family, um, and so my dad uh
bravely fought that battle, uh,for 10 years and when I was 15
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years old he went home to bewith Jesus and, um, at that
point in my life I had kind ofstarted to disassociate a little
bit and get into some friendgroups where, you know, I don't
like to knock on the friends Ihad, but more, so you know, more
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into worldly things.
And after he died I kind ofjust really dove into
relationships with boys reallydove into relationships with
boys and I had met this one boyand my mom was just not
supportive of this relationship,and for good reason.
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He was just not someone who isa very good influence on me.
And again, I don't say that toput a bunch of blame on him, but
it was just.
You know, I was at the agewhere I shouldn't have been
focusing on those things and, uhuh, fast forward.
I just kind of continued to bein that relationship but I would
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hide it from my mom and she hadno idea.
And one day so I'm 17 years oldat this point, senior in high
school, and one day so I'm 17years old at this point, senior
in high school, have been lyingabout this relationship for
about a year and I find myselfin an unplanned pregnancy and
life as I knew it pretty muchended at that point because I
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knew that I had to make adecision and I knew that I could
not hide a pregnancy and Icould not hide a baby and my
parents had raised me from avery young age to always value
life.
We value all life, no matterhow it's conceived, no matter a
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person's circumstances.
We love all people because Godloves all people and we are all
made in his image.
But that foundation completelywent out the window because, in
my mind, my only decision was tohave an abortion and continue
to live the life that I had beenliving.
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Live the life that I had beenliving, um, and so that's what I
ended up doing.
I found information online abouthow I could have an abortion
without parental consent,because I was still a minor, so
I, of course, you know, couldn'tmake adult decisions on my own,
um, except for this, apparently.
Uh, so I was able to do that,and and I walked through that
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facility one way and I came outcompletely changed for the rest
of my life, yeah, Well, can Iask that you know?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
how did you like?
Was this a decision that youmade with this boy?
And second of all, like, howdid you know, like even where to
go?
Was this something that you'dheard about in school?
Like, what was that like foryou at that time?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
So I told my boyfriend and heactually wanted us to keep the
baby.
He wanted us to get married andraise a baby together.
He was 18.
He had graduated a year beforeme, so I was still in high
school.
He was out, he was pursuing hisassociates in mechanics and he
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was working full time and he wasall in on us having this baby
and trying to reassure me thatit was going to be okay.
But I just it was going to beokay, but I just I would not
entertain that idea at all.
Um and so, uh, this time thisperiod of time was when the
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smartphones were kind ofbecoming a thing, so I had
access to the internet in theprivacy of my bedroom and I
started Googling how can I havean abortion if I'm under 18?
And so that's when I cameacross.
There's this law calledjudicial bypass, and it allows
minors to obtain abortionswithout parental consent.
There's about 34 states in ournation that have that loophole
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law the rest of them, besidesone, I think.
There's only one state in ournation where you can't get an
abortion as a minor without yourparents involved.
The rest of them.
There's either no barrier thereor the barrier is like gone
because of judicial bypass.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow, I've never heard of judicial bypass before.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So you could even be like 12 and go in and there'd be
like no questions asked, theywouldn't alert your parent.
Yes, wow, so you're walkingthrough this time.
I can't imagine like did youhave friends that you had talked
to this about?
Did you end up talking to yourmom?
Were you alone in this duringthis time, besides the boyfriend
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?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Not completely.
So I did tell a few of myfriends in my small kind of
friend group and they encouragedme to have the abortion.
They all said that it was theywould do the same thing, that I
was doing the right thing.
One of my friends had her oldersister call me out of school
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and cause I had to.
The facility I went to was onlyopen on Wednesdays for abortion
, so I had to skip school to godo this and her older sister
agreed to call me out of schoolso that my mom wouldn't find out
.
My mom did end up finding outabout everything later on, but
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she had no idea that this wasgoing on at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Wow, so you, you in essence didn't have anybody
giving you kind of a counteradvice to this at all no no, wow
, and like in your you know,were you like kind of, I guess,
pulled away from God at thistime in some ways?
Would you say, yeah, absolutely.
(15:44):
You know, I don't think at anypoint I would have if you would
have asked me well, are you aChristian?
I don't think at any abortionand the complete shift that
happens, you know, when theywalk out of that building.
Like you said, you were oneperson when you went in and
another person when you walkedout.
What was that like for you?
If you're open to sharing,person when you walked out.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What was that like for you, if you're open to
sharing, yeah, so, as I kind ofalluded to earlier, I knew what
abortion was.
So I knew exactly what I wasdoing when I was going to this
place and I think it's true thatsome women really don't totally
know because society doesn'ttell them and these facilities,
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the staff in these facilities,really are trained to dehumanize
the unborn.
But I knew better, and so thatguilt had really set in before
the abortion even happened.
But I just I dug my heels inbecause I just kept telling
myself and, you know, listeningto the lies of the enemy that
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this is what I had to do.
I had no other option.
I was already in this buildingand I had to see out this
mission to completion and that'swhat I did.
And I just remember evenfeeling that the gravity of what
I was doing as I was walkingback to the procedure room and
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um, you know I won't get intolike details, of course, but the
immense amount of pain that Ifelt, um, throughout the
procedure, um really just issomething I'll never forget and
just, you know, completelychange who I was.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, so immense like physical pain that you walked
through.
Yes, and like after, I imaginetoo, did you experience a lot of
pain even after as well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I did, I did, uh, I did for some weeks actually.
Uh, there was even a pointwhere I cause, I didn't know, um
, I had never been to the doctorwithout a parent, I'd never had
any type of surgery like this,I'd never even had an annual
woman's exam, so this was allcompletely new to me and I
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didn't know.
No one told me to expect that Iwould have cramping for a few
weeks.
And so I remember being atschool and even calling the
facility, worried that somethingwas wrong, and asking them if I
could please come in and havethem check on me and make sure I
was okay, because I didn't feelokay.
And I remember the woman justso coldly asking me if I had
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taken any ibuprofen that day,and so I told her I did, and she
asked me how much.
And I told her how much and shesaid take two more'll be fine
we don't do follow-ups here andshe hung up.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So wow, and is this?
Like?
Is this place still inexistence?
Like, is this near, like whereyou live now?
Like you don't have to give thename unless you want to, but
like yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So, um, it's not a Planned Parenthood.
The facility in my area isindependently owned and you know
, I do live in North Dakota, sotechnically we don't.
I don't know.
It's all being legally foughtin the state court system, but
technically speaking, we had atrigger ban go into effect after
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Roe v Wade was overturned in2022.
But because that's being foughtin a lawsuit, abortion is still
legal here.
But the facility knew that thiswas going to happen and so they
purchased a building inMoorhead, which is across state
lines in Minnesota.
So they moved I mean withinwalking distance, basically um
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across the river into Minnesota.
So they I mean they didn't evenhave to close and stop doing
abortions at all um, they madethat move very quickly, so they
are still in operation today sothey're in Moorhead, right?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
yes, okay, I'm actually in Minnesota.
It's very, very interestingliving here.
Let me just say oh, yeah, I canimagine.
Yes, um, so you, you walkthrough this and, um, I know of
of what you're doing now, butwhat was the like?
What was the chasm between that?
What was the like?
Tell us more about the nextsteps in your journey and how
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you came to be where you're atnow steps in your journey and
how you came to be where you'reat now.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, so it took me about 10 years to find healing.
My mom ended up finding outabout the abortion two months
after it happened.
She found out about therelationship and I confessed the
abortion to her and itdevastated her.
My mom was so overcome withgrief.
We had just lost my dad and shewas grieving the loss of a
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grandchild that she never evengot to know about, was not able
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to step in and be the?
Um, the comforting force that Icould lean on.
Uh, in that time she she saysall the time I could have saved
you from that If that would havenever been legal, that would
have never happened, because Iwould never have let that happen
.
Um and so she was.
She's always been socompassionate with me about it.
Um, she's a pro-life advocatenow, um, and she also lives in
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Minnesota actually and does someum, activism there with um, you
know some other politics, but,um, she has testified before the
state legislator about abortionand, um, you know how it's
affected her as a grandparent toa child who's been aborted, um,
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and so uh, but I got kind ofsidetracked, so, um, but uh, but
so she had.
After she found out, sheconnected me with a pregnancy
center that did post-abortionhealing.
But I wasn't ready to heal, Iwas still living my life of sin,
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and I stayed with thatboyfriend for about a year and a
half after the abortion.
Our relationship had changed,though.
It was very clear that, um, hisfeelings for me had changed and
I understand why.
Uh, he didn't want me to havethe abortion.
He wanted that child, um, and Ihad gone against everything
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that I had been created to be,and so, um, I ended the
relationship.
But he very much welcomed theending of the relationship and
just, yeah, I spent quite a fewyears after that just kind of
wandering and searching butdidn't really know what I was
searching for when I wassearching for God, but he kept
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pursuing me and he never left me, even though I didn't realize
that he was there.
And I ended up getting married,growing closer in my faith, and
after my husband and I had ourfirst child, our daughter, I
experienced a postpartumhemorrhage, and that ended up
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being the moment where I, uh Ihad been expecting this
punishment from God.
I had thought he was eithergoing to make it to a point
where I couldn't have childrenor, if I did uh have children,
that something would happen toone of my children or that
something would happen to me.
And so, when I was hemorrhaging, I was convinced that I was
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going to die.
Oh, my gosh.
Um, thankfully, I, of courseI'm still here.
Um, my medical team was able touh help me make a full recovery
with, you know, really not toomany interventions, which I'm
thankful for.
Um, but I felt so much guiltafter that because I thought
that my punishment wasn'tcarried out, and so I kind of
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lived in this fog of impendingdoom for a long time,
experienced a lot of likesuicidal ideation, a lot of
guilt, a lot of shame.
Um, we would be getting ourhospital bills in the mail and I
would look at the itemized listand be so upset that they had
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um given me these medications tohelp me recover, because now I
was costing my family so muchmoney.
It just got very dark.
Family so much money, it justgot very dark.
And you know, thankfully I gotout of that.
I firmly believe it's becauseof prayer of other people, just
knowing that I was in a darkplace.
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And when I hemorrhaged againafter having my son, I knew that
I had to do something and Iknew that I had to get to the
root of my problem.
And the root of my problem wasthe fact that I had never dealt
with my abortion before.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Wow, and this was how many years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So this would have been three years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Three years ago.
Okay, so what did that looklike for you personally?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
years ago.
Okay, so what did that looklike for you personally?
Yeah, so I reached back out tothat woman at the pregnancy
center that my mom connected mewith when I was 17.
Oh my gosh, and I just firmlyknow that God connected me with
her at that time because I wasgoing to need her later and she
got me plugged into apost-abortion Bible study that
was starting literally withinlike a week or two after I
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reached out to her and thatstudy was so pivotal for me
because I was in the word and Iwas getting to be in a room with
other women who had done theexact same thing I had done and
they were saved and they werefree and whole.
And I went through healingalongside a couple other women
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too who were there for the samepurpose.
I was, you know we had threewomen who were mentoring us.
It was just I was able tounderstand Jesus and his love
and his sacrifice for the firsttime in my life, and that it was
for me too.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh my gosh, Do you mind me like, was it a specific
Bible study?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, it was called that others can step into yes it
was called Forgiven and SetFree.
It is super valuable.
A lot of pregnancy resourcecenters use that curriculum.
There's also some differentretreat resources that use that
curriculum.
We actually use it.
I volunteer with my friend'sministry called Forgiven and Set
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Free, north Dakota, and we usethat curriculum in retreat form
and it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So is this something that others might be able to
plug into in other states, oreven other countries, do you
know?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes, yes, I know a little bit more about the United
States, but I think that thereare places, like I've connected
with some people in the UK thatare familiar with forgiven and
set free, and even India.
So I think, yeah, which ispretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So might there be like a website that I could
share in the show notes forthose who might be interested in
learning more?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, so forgiven and set free ndcom would be, for,
like the retreats that I helphost.
Um, if they email me, though,to uh, my email is hello at
Brittany poppycom.
I would be more than happy totry to help them find this in
their area if they don't want totravel.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, yeah, I just sense that somebody is like how
do I do this?
You know, yeah, so you haveactually become an abortion
recovery leader, correct?
Yes, and how did you step intothat role?
Was that part of you Like, didyou just sense, like, after you
had gotten through you know,this Bible study, like what did
that look like for you to stepinto this leadership role to
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help other women?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, so I believe that God was working on my heart
for that before I went throughmy own healing.
He just kind of has beenpursuing me over the last you
know however long, and kind oflaid that desire on my heart,
but I had to be healed first and, um, I am still in touch with
the women who led that studythat I went through and um have
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been mentored by them and umencouraged by them and uh,
that's kind of how I got into it.
Uh, one of the nights that wewere leaving actually, um,
because I did the study inweekly format at that point and
one of the women actually leadsa panel of women who travel and
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speak, and she told me that shewanted me to come speak with her
someday and um, so I ended upconnecting with her, staying
connected with her, and uh,she's a mentor of mine still
today and um, that's kind of howI got into, you know, sharing
my story publicly.
And then, uh, god placed it onmy heart to start my own podcast
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and uh start, you know, helpingwomen both in the retreat
format but also with somecoaching and really just helping
them kind of coach through someof these stuck points that they
get in with their healing.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, well, what is the name of your podcast?
And we'll definitely share thatin the show notes.
I can't say that.
Share it in the show notes.
Say that 10 times.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Right, yes, my podcast is called Does God
Forgive Abortion.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, and you've also been.
We were talking before the show.
We've both been podcasting forabout a couple of years now, so
it's incredible.
So I want to ask you a littlebit about stepping into this
role of leadership and usingyour voice and speaking, sharing
your story.
Was there any hesitation inthat?
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To step out and share fully inthe beginning?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, I was a little worried about what my family
would think because up untilwell about a couple years ago,
my mom was the only person in myfamily that knew and my husband
too.
I did tell my husband before wegot married, and so having
other people know something sovulnerable and really
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controversial about you isn'tnecessarily comfortable and fun.
But now it's just really a partof who I am, and when I say
that I don't mean abortion, butI mean the healing that Jesus
gave me.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like that is why I am still here today, and so now I
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don't get so much like anxietyor nerves when I'm going to
share, because it really just I,your calling and kind of the
anointing that we.
You know there's a calling thateverybody has right and
sometimes our calling will comeout of darkness, in essence,
right in so many different ways,but we have to be willing to
(31:55):
say yes and for you to say yesto you know, speaking your story
, and I'm sure that there's beenso many that have been impacted
, whether through I'm imaginingyou know, live events that
you've spoken at, maybe virtualevents or even your podcasts.
Like, have you heard frompeople who have heard your story
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and I would love to hear if youcould share maybe an example of
that where somebody was setfree through you sharing your
story, because we know ourtestimonies can break chains
right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I actually was given a gift.
Today I spoke with a womanshe's in Iowa and she helps with
some abortion recovery and shewent to there's another healing
resource called Rachel'sVineyard those are available all
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over the United States too andshe went to help co-facilitate
one of those retreats and one ofthe women in that retreat found
out about it because theylistened to my podcast.
Oh, my gosh, and so of courseyou know she couldn't share
details with me about the woman.
(33:06):
We, you know, in the abortionrecovery world we take
confidentiality super seriously.
But just even knowing thatsomeone was able to find a
healing resource just becausethey listened to my podcast, you
know, as I'm sure you know this, as podcasters we don't always
know the fruit that comes fromwhat we share.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
so when we get to find out something like that,
it's such a gift, yes, and now,like I can only imagine, like
the gender, I like to say it'slike a generational implication,
right, there's like a legacyimpact that you are, you know,
we just don't know, but you gotto hear, you know that sweet.
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I feel like it's like a giftfrom the Lord when we can hear.
You know, those yeses that wegive and this is for everybody.
You guys, if you're listeningand you have yet to give the
Lord your yes on something he'scalling you to, it's not just
about you, wouldn't you say?
Absolutely, it might bestretching, you know, I don't
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know about you, brittany, butthere's been a lot of stretching
in my days seven years, I wouldsay.
So.
You're also a like, would yousay a mental health coach.
You mentioned as well, like,what does that look like for you
if somebody were to want to getin touch with you and hear more
about what you do in that realm?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, absolutely yes.
So I do offer one-on-onecoaching for women who really
just want someone to talk toabout their story, from someone
who understands it.
You know some women I cannottalk enough about how valuable
abortion recovery groups are butsome women are very intimidated
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about going into an in-persongroup setting and sometimes, you
know, starting with one-on-onecoaching can kind of help you
feel more comfortable to do that.
So I really focus on theindividual and what she is
really needing right in thatmoment and a lot of times I will
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refer my the women who ask mefor help.
I will refer them out to.
You know programs like Forgivenand Set Free, rachel's Vineyard
, but two.
Sometimes we go through thosekind of foundational healing
groups or programs and we stillneed a little more, because I
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firmly believe that God doesn'tjust heal us and then go all
right, you're good.
I think he uses it in some wayand that doesn't mean that every
single person that has beeninvolved with an abortion has to
go shout that from the rooftops.
But I do think that God, oncewe have that foundational
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healing, can peel back otherlayers of some things that we
need to work through, and so alot of women who come to me for
help, have done that and justare needing, you know that.
Next step of you know what'sGod asking me to do?
How do I continue to cope withthese feelings that I have?
Because abortion does come witha lot of grief.
(36:20):
You know, if we are believingthat our children are created in
the image of God, which theyare our children are in heaven,
so we have to, you know, livewith the fact that we miss them.
You know we can grieve thatthey're not here, even if it was
through a decision we made.
So that's really a lot offoundational work too.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, can I?
I don't, I don't know how tolike encapsulate this question.
Hopefully it will make sense.
But I know at one point you'dmentioned kind of
compartmentalizing right To beable to, you know, keep going.
I think a lot of times um, youknow, I grew up in a lot of
trauma so I was able tocompartmentalize a lot of things
um, including having a couplemiscarriages after I was saved.
(37:06):
So I was just very confused andvery angry and I never grieved.
And I remember I would sayprobably seven, eight years ago,
somebody had said did you evergrieve those babies?
And I said no.
So, um, have you like, did youhave?
I guess you, and then even someof the gals that you've um
(37:29):
walked alongside, is therealmost an ignorance to the, to
the grief, like you just don'teven want to go there to grieve
ignorance to the grief, like youjust don't even want to go
there to grieve, absolutely yes,I think a lot of it stems from
we are the reason our childrenaren't here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's a choice that we made, and so isn't it kind of
hypocritical for us to then besad and grieve that they're not
here.
And so we have to work throughthat because, of course, you
know, god's grace says that, yes, we absolutely can grieve, um
and understand that our childrenare with him and, you know,
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look forward to the day that weget to meet them.
Um, and yeah, you know, guiltand shame is just a really,
really huge barrier to that, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yes, Well, and speaking of the grief I know you
have, you actually havesomething that you give to
people in that, in that realm,correct?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, yep, I have this .
It's a free resource on mywebsite.
It's called the Permission toGrieve Devotional.
It's a one entry devotional.
So it's a free resource on mywebsite.
It's called the permission togrieve devotional.
It's a one entry devotional.
So it's just a few page PDFwith, you know, scripture and
biblical evidence that showsthat God has given permission
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for us to grieve our childrenlost to abortion, and so women
have found it kind of helpfulbecause a lot of them, you know,
just don't understand how theycan, you know, kind of break
past that stuck point ofunderstanding that it's okay to
move through that grief.
So, yeah, that's free toanybody.
(39:13):
On my website, britneypoppycom,forward slash freebie is where
you can download that.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, sounds good, and I'll be sure to put that in
the show notes as well.
Well, where's the Lord takingyou in this next season?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh man, that's a good question.
Um, I believe that he iscalling me to be a little bit
more bold with my speaking andseeking out more places to share
my story and really justfocusing on loving women well
(39:52):
and meeting them in their griefand their shame and just showing
them hope.
Yeah, that's kind of where Ifeel like he's taking me right
now.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's beautiful, I just believe for that expansion
with your voice.
I think every time you show upon a podcast and we don't see
the people, right, it seemsweird sometimes to me we don't
see the people right.
It seems weird sometimes to mewe don't see the people, but we
know that we're reaching thosewho need to hear it.
So if anybody is listening intoday who has a podcast or has
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an opportunity for Brittany toshare her story, please reach
out to her.
We definitely want to bringmore hope to others around the
world.
So, in this climate that we'rein in the world and you know
there's just a lot going on whatare you most hopeful for?
In relation to?
I would like to say let'sobliterate abortion.
(40:50):
But like, how would you?
How would you like?
What are you most?
Um, what are you dreaming inthis, in this time?
Like, how does how would thatlook for you in the next?
You know the rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I agree with you.
I think that abortion um needsto end.
Uh, I think that we are losingtoo many precious lives to
abortion every single year andthe women who are going through
abortion are walking among uswith deep pain.
(41:28):
And two, I you know we don'thave to get too far into this
part.
You can, you know, stop me, butI do think our culture is
shifting and I think that itused to be.
The argument for abortion wassafe, legal and rare, and now
it's almost celebrated.
Yes, and yeah, it's horrible.
(41:50):
I'm seeing some women and Ireally do think it's.
They're in so much pain andthis is how they're handling it.
But I do see some of them, youknow, get on TikTok and kind of
celebrate what they're about todo and almost kind of create
more of like an influencing yeahand it just breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
And it just breaks my heart.
It's demonic, truly.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, yes, at the end of the day you know, it is, it
is and we need to have a hugeheart change in this world and
in this country.
We are never going to seeabortion end until we make it
unthinkable, until we, you know,really dive into teaching
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people.
This is ending the life of aninnocent human being.
Um, and please hear me, youknow, if you're listening to
this and you struggle withchoosing abortion, hey, me too.
So I'm not condemning anybodyhere.
We just, you know it's.
I think if we really were ableto somehow undo all of this
(43:02):
brainwashing that has been done,we could see a huge heart
change.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
I remember seeing some videosand it was just like almost
bragging about how many they'dhad and it just made me like
almost sick.
I.
I just thought what you knowit's, it's, it's the verse you
know, calling good evil and evilgood.
Right, yeah, and we're seeing alot more of that in this day and
age and I love how you havethis heart that you are willing
(43:30):
to come alongside women who havewalked through it because, um,
you know I haven't walkedthrough it, because you know I
haven't walked through it.
But I can imagine what it'slike to, you know, just that
unresolved grief or the shameand the ways that the enemy is
so conniving to try to, you know, kick you down right, to have
somebody you know in your cornerthat you're a safe place for
(43:53):
them, like I can just sense youare a safe place for them.
They can share their heart withyou and you can help them move
forward.
And that's, you know, I'm acoach too.
That's what I love is we canhelp people move forward.
But in this realm that you'rein, it's so beautiful that you
can love on these gals right.
Have you ever, have you ever,walked alongside any men, or do
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you?
You know you mentioned yourboyfriend was, you know, not
wanting you to do this, and Iknow that there's other men out
there who, um, maybe who've beenin a situation where they
didn't feel like they had achoice.
Do you know of any resourcesfor men?
Have you walked through umanything with men, or are you
more called to just women?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, I have helped some men a little bit.
I do think, though, it's supervaluable for men to get to heal
alongside other men instead ofwomen.
I think that it's difficultbecause, you know, there's just
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kind of two different situationsthere, um, but there are
resources for men out there, um,there's a book written by the
same woman who wrote theforgiven and set free study, um,
it's called healing a father'sheart, um, so that's a really
great resource.
And then there's also aministry support after abortion.
(45:21):
That's a resource for men andfor women.
And two, they aren'tnecessarily like they'll help
you, no matter kind of what yourfaith background is, but they
are pro-life, they're notaffirming abortion and they
encourage faith.
(45:41):
But it's okay if that's new toyou, you don't have to worry
about.
I mean, you wouldn't have towith me either.
It's just a little bit more ofone of those kind of secular
options, but it's not secular inthe unbiblical sense, if I'm
making any sense.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, it's not going to like steer you sideways.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm going to, for sure, add these
resources to the show notes,because I know that you know
there might be people out therethat are like I don't even know
where to go.
I don't, I mean, there's somany.
Maybe there are places outthere you could just Google.
But when you have somebodywho's walked through this, you
know these resources that are,you know, golden right that can
(46:24):
really actually help people.
Um, it's so so helpful.
So, oh my gosh, well, I feellike we could just keep talking,
but, um, uh, as I close today,um, I just thank you for sharing
your story and just beingvulnerable with my audience.
I always feel good to speak tothe one.
(46:46):
That's what this podcast is allabout.
So I'd love you to think of oneperson, whether it's a woman or
a man, and share any words ofencouragement or wisdom you feel
might speak over them today,and then would you mind praying
us out person, whether it's awoman or a man, um, and share
any words of encouragement orwisdom you feel might speak over
them today, and then would youmind praying us out?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
I would love to do that.
Um, so first, uh, no matterwhere you're at right now, uh,
if you are struggling with shameand guilt from abortion, maybe
you didn't directly have anabortion, but you helped
somebody do that, or maybe it'snot abortion at all, it might be
(47:24):
something else.
That is just really painful andyou are just really struggling.
I just want you to know thatyou are not alone, that we are a
world full of people that fallshort, but that's okay, because
God gave us his son and Jesuscame for us.
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He came for every single one ofus.
Despite us falling short, hetook on our sin so that we don't
have to, and all we have to dois just lay it down at his feet
and trust him, and trust that heis going to heal us, that he
loves us, that he has never onceleft us, that he was with us
(48:12):
the entire time we were goingthrough whatever we went through
, and that he will continue towalk alongside us for the rest
of our lives.
And so you know, I justencourage you if you're
struggling to you know, firststep is tell somebody and get
help and understand that beingvulnerable is okay, and
(48:33):
sometimes it's that first,hardest step that can be the
most rewarding, to get us to thehealing that we need to have.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yes, yeah, oh my gosh .
Well, would you pray us outtoday?
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Dear Heavenly Father, I just want to thank you first
and foremost, so much forKristen and for her podcast and
for her listeners, and just forher willingness to have this
conversation.
Lord, we know that you haveintention in all things, that
you create connections withpeople for a reason, and I
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believe that you have someonethat needed to hear this today,
and so I just pray that thisepisode will speak to that
person, that they willunderstand your love for them.
Just pray against any spiritualwarfare right now that's going
on.
Lord, we know that goodconversations like this are
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hated by the enemy, and so Ijust pray against him.
Pray that there will be noissues in um.
You know anyone listening tothis?
Um.
Just pray that you will have ahedge of protection over them, a
hedge of protection overKristen to Lord and her family.
Um, we just thank you for beingso good, for um you know, being
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our healer, for being ourprovider, um, for just being so
faithful in your promises, andjust pray that everyone that
hears this today will understandhow amazing and great you are.
In Jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yes, amen, wow.
Well, let me close with theanchoring verse, because this
just flows right in May the Godof hope fill you with all joy
and peace and believing, so that, by the power of the Holy
Spirit, you may abound in hope,and that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you for being a bravevoice who's setting many free.
(50:26):
I just wanted you to speak outloud again.
What is the best way forlisteners to reach you?
Your website?
Would you just share that withthem again?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes, so my website is BrittanyPoppy.
Yes, so my website isbritneypoppycom and my email is
on there.
You can fill out my contactform on there, and I'm also on
Instagram at britneypoppy, soyou can follow me or DM me there
too.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Okay Sounds great and , again, I'll put this all in
the show notes and please reachout to her If you have any
questions.
You feel you need to connectwith her for some reason.
I know that she will definitelybe somebody in your corner.
So, britney, thank you againfor being on, and I will be back
with another episode next week.
Thank you so much, thank you.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Brittany Pope to theshow.
I am just thrilled to have herhere with us today because I
(01:01):
know that she has a story thatis going to reach the one.
Have her here with us todaybecause I know that she has a
story that is going to reach theone.
Even before we got started, Iwas just praying and I just felt
my heart over what she's goingto share with us today.
So I know his hand is on thistoday and, brittany, would you
be open to sharing a little bitabout yourself before we get
into your story.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, absolutely, kristen.
Thank you so much for having me.
As Kristen said, my name isBrittany and I am from Fargo,
north Dakota.
So right now, at time ofrecording, it's starting to feel
like spring and it is just solovely and we're so thankful.
I am married.
(02:08):
My husband and I have beenmarried for just over six years
and we have two living children,ever exempt from the love that
he has for them.
So that's kind of what I feellike my calling in life is.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Wow, can I ask, just being where you are in Fargo,
where do you go to church?
Is it a place that you wouldrecommend to somebody in your
area?
I know a lot of people are justkind of in and out of church
right now and looking for really, you know, amazing places to
step into.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, oh my gosh, I could not recommend my church
enough.
My church is called True NorthChurch.
They are a fairly new churchplant.
They started in September of2021 was actually their first
service, and this past weekendwe actually just had a huge
celebration.
(02:52):
We've been growingexponentially.
We're in the 1% of churches forgrowth in the nation I think
it's the nation and growth inthe nation I think it's a nation
and we've grown so fast that weneeded to get our own permanent
building.
So we have a beautiful newchurch that God has given us,
(03:15):
and our pastors are amazing, sorooted in the Bible and so
compassionate.
You can just really tell thatGod has his hand on each of them
as they teach.
And just I again.
Yeah, I could not recommend mychurch enough.
We do also do online services,so anyone at a distance can find
(03:39):
them on YouTube and listen in.
If you're wanting a message ofencouragement, that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So how did you?
Did you grow up in church then,Like that was at the basis of
your upbringing?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, so I did.
My parents really taught mefrom, I mean from when I can
remember just about our faithand Jesus and that that's what
we lean on.
I was raised in a Baptistchurch for the first like 10
years of my life and then wemoved to where I live now and
(04:17):
started going to moreevangelical type churches and I
am non-denominational now.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, okay.
So for those who are listening,I don't know if you'd be open
to it.
You know, baptist, evangelical,non-denominational.
Somebody might be saying well,what is the difference?
We've got people around thecountry and in other countries
who might be wondering, like,what is the difference?
Since you were raised in thosespaces?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, so I may not be able to do this like total
justice, but from what I recall,you know, being raised
partially Baptist, you knowBaptists believe that baptism
happens when you are old enoughto decide that for yourself.
So my mom had actually beenraised Lutheran, which Lutherans
(05:09):
do infant baptisms, and so Iwas not baptized when I was an
infant.
I didn't get baptized until Iwas about 26 and had chosen to
do that, and so that was kind oflike the biggest difference I
remember there was no.
You know, I would have friendsthat would be preparing to go
(05:31):
through confirmation and thingslike that, and the Baptist
church doesn't do that.
And then, same with, you know,the evangelical church it's very
, you know, kind of similar inthat regard, where it's not
necessarily like infant baptismsor confirmation, those kinds of
traditional things that, likeCatholics and Lutherans will do.
(05:54):
But now going non-denominational, we really kind of focus on
like we love you, no matterwhere you're coming from or what
denomination you grew up in,and I would say that's true for
most churches who have adenomination anyway.
So that wasn't a knock onanybody, it was just more so of
(06:15):
a like.
We don't claim to be a part ofany sort of denomination.
We just, yeah, focus on theperson when they walk through
the door.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Beautiful.
Well, I'm so glad that you haveum a wonderful place Like I
think it's just incredible thatthe church is growing like that.
Um, there's just, you know, somuch going on in our world right
now where people are walkingaway from the faith, and but
then we have so many that arelooking as well, like we're in
such a time, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, absolutely I.
I feel like God really is umjust pursuing and not that he
wasn't before, but I feel likeyou can just kind of feel the
pursuit that he has Um, and therevival that's happening it's
beautiful to be a part of, forsure.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yes, well, I love it.
My son is actually in Fargo, afreshman at NDSU.
No way, yes, I was like when Iheard that you're in Fargo, I'm
like, oh my gosh, that's wheremy son is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He loves it.
That is so cool.
Well, we'll have to meet upsometime when you come visit.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I would love that.
Well, I know you have quite astory, if those of you have been
here from the beginning, hopeUnlocked.
The first season was calledVoices of Hope from the Valley.
Highlight women who've walkedthrough the fire and they've
come out on the other side withquite a testimony to help bring
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breakthrough and freedom,whether to those who've walked
through something similar, or tobe parallel to those who are
walking through a reallychallenging journey.
So, brittany, would you be opento sharing with us some of the
challenges that you've walkedthrough?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, absolutely so, as we kind of talked about.
You know, I was raised with aChristian foundation and when I
was about six years old, my dadended up being diagnosed with a
terminal illness.
He was a Vietnam veteran.
He was 15 years older than mymom, so there was a little bit
(08:26):
of an age gap there and, uh,when that happened, you know, my
parents really focused on mymom did such, telling us things
age appropriately.
So I have a younger brotherhe's about four years younger
(08:49):
than me so we always knew thetruth, you know, um, but in an
age appropriate way.
It was never like doom and gloom, um, things like that we had.
We had hope because we had ourfaith foundation.
We had Jesus at the center ofour family, um, and so my dad uh
bravely fought that battle, uh,for 10 years and when I was 15
(09:13):
years old he went home to bewith Jesus and, um, at that
point in my life I had kind ofstarted to disassociate a little
bit and get into some friendgroups where, you know, I don't
like to knock on the friends Ihad, but more, so you know, more
(09:34):
into worldly things.
And after he died I kind ofjust really dove into
relationships with boys reallydove into relationships with
boys and I had met this one boyand my mom was just not
supportive of this relationship,and for good reason.
(09:55):
He was just not someone who isa very good influence on me.
And again, I don't say that toput a bunch of blame on him, but
it was just.
You know, I was at the agewhere I shouldn't have been
focusing on those things and, uhuh, fast forward.
I just kind of continued to bein that relationship but I would
(10:16):
hide it from my mom and she hadno idea.
And one day so I'm 17 years oldat this point, senior in high
school, and one day so I'm 17years old at this point, senior
in high school, have been lyingabout this relationship for
about a year and I find myselfin an unplanned pregnancy and
life as I knew it pretty muchended at that point because I
(10:38):
knew that I had to make adecision and I knew that I could
not hide a pregnancy and Icould not hide a baby and my
parents had raised me from avery young age to always value
life.
We value all life, no matterhow it's conceived, no matter a
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person's circumstances.
We love all people because Godloves all people and we are all
made in his image.
But that foundation completelywent out the window because, in
my mind, my only decision was tohave an abortion and continue
to live the life that I had beenliving.
(11:22):
Live the life that I had beenliving, um, and so that's what I
ended up doing.
I found information online abouthow I could have an abortion
without parental consent,because I was still a minor, so
I, of course, you know, couldn'tmake adult decisions on my own,
um, except for this, apparently.
Uh, so I was able to do that,and and I walked through that
(11:46):
facility one way and I came outcompletely changed for the rest
of my life, yeah, Well, can Iask that you know?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
how did you like?
Was this a decision that youmade with this boy?
And second of all, like, howdid you know, like even where to
go?
Was this something that you'dheard about in school?
Like, what was that like foryou at that time?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah.
So I told my boyfriend and heactually wanted us to keep the
baby.
He wanted us to get married andraise a baby together.
He was 18.
He had graduated a year beforeme, so I was still in high
school.
He was out, he was pursuing hisassociates in mechanics and he
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was working full time and he wasall in on us having this baby
and trying to reassure me thatit was going to be okay.
But I just it was going to beokay, but I just I would not
entertain that idea at all.
Um and so, uh, this time thisperiod of time was when the
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smartphones were kind ofbecoming a thing, so I had
access to the internet in theprivacy of my bedroom and I
started Googling how can I havean abortion if I'm under 18?
And so that's when I cameacross.
There's this law calledjudicial bypass, and it allows
minors to obtain abortionswithout parental consent.
There's about 34 states in ournation that have that loophole
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law the rest of them, besidesone, I think.
There's only one state in ournation where you can't get an
abortion as a minor without yourparents involved.
The rest of them.
There's either no barrier thereor the barrier is like gone
because of judicial bypass.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow, I've never heard of judicial bypass before.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So you could even be like 12 and go in and there'd be
like no questions asked, theywouldn't alert your parent.
Yes, wow, so you're walkingthrough this time.
I can't imagine like did youhave friends that you had talked
to this about?
Did you end up talking to yourmom?
Were you alone in this duringthis time, besides the boyfriend
(14:06):
?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Not completely.
So I did tell a few of myfriends in my small kind of
friend group and they encouragedme to have the abortion.
They all said that it was theywould do the same thing, that I
was doing the right thing.
One of my friends had her oldersister call me out of school
(14:31):
and cause I had to.
The facility I went to was onlyopen on Wednesdays for abortion
, so I had to skip school to godo this and her older sister
agreed to call me out of schoolso that my mom wouldn't find out
.
My mom did end up finding outabout everything later on, but
(14:54):
she had no idea that this wasgoing on at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Wow, so you, you in essence didn't have anybody
giving you kind of a counteradvice to this at all no no, wow
, and like in your you know,were you like kind of, I guess,
pulled away from God at thistime in some ways?
Would you say, yeah, absolutely.
(15:44):
You know, I don't think at anypoint I would have if you would
have asked me well, are you aChristian?
I don't think at any abortionand the complete shift that
happens, you know, when theywalk out of that building.
Like you said, you were oneperson when you went in and
another person when you walkedout.
What was that like for you?
If you're open to sharing,person when you walked out.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What was that like for you, if you're open to
sharing, yeah, so, as I kind ofalluded to earlier, I knew what
abortion was.
So I knew exactly what I wasdoing when I was going to this
place and I think it's true thatsome women really don't totally
know because society doesn'ttell them and these facilities,
(16:29):
the staff in these facilities,really are trained to dehumanize
the unborn.
But I knew better, and so thatguilt had really set in before
the abortion even happened.
But I just I dug my heels inbecause I just kept telling
myself and, you know, listeningto the lies of the enemy that
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this is what I had to do.
I had no other option.
I was already in this buildingand I had to see out this
mission to completion and that'swhat I did.
And I just remember evenfeeling that the gravity of what
I was doing as I was walkingback to the procedure room and
(17:14):
um, you know I won't get intolike details, of course, but the
immense amount of pain that Ifelt, um, throughout the
procedure, um really just issomething I'll never forget and
just, you know, completelychange who I was.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, so immense like physical pain that you walked
through.
Yes, and like after, I imaginetoo, did you experience a lot of
pain even after as well.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I did, I did, uh, I did for some weeks actually.
Uh, there was even a pointwhere I cause, I didn't know, um
, I had never been to the doctorwithout a parent, I'd never had
any type of surgery like this,I'd never even had an annual
woman's exam, so this was allcompletely new to me and I
(18:08):
didn't know.
No one told me to expect that Iwould have cramping for a few
weeks.
And so I remember being atschool and even calling the
facility, worried that somethingwas wrong, and asking them if I
could please come in and havethem check on me and make sure I
was okay, because I didn't feelokay.
And I remember the woman justso coldly asking me if I had
(18:33):
taken any ibuprofen that day,and so I told her I did, and she
asked me how much.
And I told her how much and shesaid take two more'll be fine
we don't do follow-ups here andshe hung up.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So wow, and is this?
Like?
Is this place still inexistence?
Like, is this near, like whereyou live now?
Like you don't have to give thename unless you want to, but
like yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So, um, it's not a Planned Parenthood.
The facility in my area isindependently owned and you know
, I do live in North Dakota, sotechnically we don't.
I don't know.
It's all being legally foughtin the state court system, but
technically speaking, we had atrigger ban go into effect after
(19:20):
Roe v Wade was overturned in2022.
But because that's being foughtin a lawsuit, abortion is still
legal here.
But the facility knew that thiswas going to happen and so they
purchased a building inMoorhead, which is across state
lines in Minnesota.
So they moved I mean withinwalking distance, basically um
(19:46):
across the river into Minnesota.
So they I mean they didn't evenhave to close and stop doing
abortions at all um, they madethat move very quickly, so they
are still in operation today sothey're in Moorhead, right?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
yes, okay, I'm actually in Minnesota.
It's very, very interestingliving here.
Let me just say oh, yeah, I canimagine.
Yes, um, so you, you walkthrough this and, um, I know of
of what you're doing now, butwhat was the like?
What was the chasm between that?
What was the like?
Tell us more about the nextsteps in your journey and how
(20:21):
you came to be where you're atnow steps in your journey and
how you came to be where you'reat now.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, so it took me about 10 years to find healing.
My mom ended up finding outabout the abortion two months
after it happened.
She found out about therelationship and I confessed the
abortion to her and itdevastated her.
My mom was so overcome withgrief.
We had just lost my dad and shewas grieving the loss of a
(20:49):
grandchild that she never evengot to know about, was not able
(21:10):
to step in and be the?
Um, the comforting force that Icould lean on.
Uh, in that time she she saysall the time I could have saved
you from that If that would havenever been legal, that would
have never happened, because Iwould never have let that happen
.
Um and so she was.
She's always been socompassionate with me about it.
Um, she's a pro-life advocatenow, um, and she also lives in
(21:33):
Minnesota actually and does someum, activism there with um, you
know some other politics, but,um, she has testified before the
state legislator about abortionand, um, you know how it's
affected her as a grandparent toa child who's been aborted, um,
(21:54):
and so uh, but I got kind ofsidetracked, so, um, but uh, but
so she had.
After she found out, sheconnected me with a pregnancy
center that did post-abortionhealing.
But I wasn't ready to heal, Iwas still living my life of sin,
(22:14):
and I stayed with thatboyfriend for about a year and a
half after the abortion.
Our relationship had changed,though.
It was very clear that, um, hisfeelings for me had changed and
I understand why.
Uh, he didn't want me to havethe abortion.
He wanted that child, um, and Ihad gone against everything
(22:36):
that I had been created to be,and so, um, I ended the
relationship.
But he very much welcomed theending of the relationship and
just, yeah, I spent quite a fewyears after that just kind of
wandering and searching butdidn't really know what I was
searching for when I wassearching for God, but he kept
(22:59):
pursuing me and he never left me, even though I didn't realize
that he was there.
And I ended up getting married,growing closer in my faith, and
after my husband and I had ourfirst child, our daughter, I
experienced a postpartumhemorrhage, and that ended up
(23:22):
being the moment where I, uh Ihad been expecting this
punishment from God.
I had thought he was eithergoing to make it to a point
where I couldn't have childrenor, if I did uh have children,
that something would happen toone of my children or that
something would happen to me.
And so, when I was hemorrhaging, I was convinced that I was
(23:46):
going to die.
Oh, my gosh.
Um, thankfully, I, of courseI'm still here.
Um, my medical team was able touh help me make a full recovery
with, you know, really not toomany interventions, which I'm
thankful for.
Um, but I felt so much guiltafter that because I thought
that my punishment wasn'tcarried out, and so I kind of
(24:10):
lived in this fog of impendingdoom for a long time,
experienced a lot of likesuicidal ideation, a lot of
guilt, a lot of shame.
Um, we would be getting ourhospital bills in the mail and I
would look at the itemized listand be so upset that they had
(24:33):
um given me these medications tohelp me recover, because now I
was costing my family so muchmoney.
It just got very dark.
Family so much money, it justgot very dark.
And you know, thankfully I gotout of that.
I firmly believe it's becauseof prayer of other people, just
knowing that I was in a darkplace.
(24:54):
And when I hemorrhaged againafter having my son, I knew that
I had to do something and Iknew that I had to get to the
root of my problem.
And the root of my problem wasthe fact that I had never dealt
with my abortion before.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Wow, and this was how many years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So this would have been three years ago.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Three years ago.
Okay, so what did that looklike for you personally?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
years ago.
Okay, so what did that looklike for you personally?
Yeah, so I reached back out tothat woman at the pregnancy
center that my mom connected mewith when I was 17.
Oh my gosh, and I just firmlyknow that God connected me with
her at that time because I wasgoing to need her later and she
got me plugged into apost-abortion Bible study that
was starting literally withinlike a week or two after I
(25:50):
reached out to her and thatstudy was so pivotal for me
because I was in the word and Iwas getting to be in a room with
other women who had done theexact same thing I had done and
they were saved and they werefree and whole.
And I went through healingalongside a couple other women
(26:13):
too who were there for the samepurpose.
I was, you know we had threewomen who were mentoring us.
It was just I was able tounderstand Jesus and his love
and his sacrifice for the firsttime in my life, and that it was
for me too.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh my gosh, Do you mind me like, was it a specific
Bible study?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, it was called that others can step into yes it
was called Forgiven and SetFree.
It is super valuable.
A lot of pregnancy resourcecenters use that curriculum.
There's also some differentretreat resources that use that
curriculum.
We actually use it.
I volunteer with my friend'sministry called Forgiven and Set
(26:59):
Free, north Dakota, and we usethat curriculum in retreat form
and it's powerful.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So is this something that others might be able to
plug into in other states, oreven other countries, do you
know?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes, yes, I know a little bit more about the United
States, but I think that thereare places, like I've connected
with some people in the UK thatare familiar with forgiven and
set free, and even India.
So I think, yeah, which ispretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So might there be like a website that I could
share in the show notes forthose who might be interested in
learning more?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, so forgiven and set free ndcom would be, for,
like the retreats that I helphost.
Um, if they email me, though,to uh, my email is hello at
Brittany poppycom.
I would be more than happy totry to help them find this in
their area if they don't want totravel.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, yeah, I just sense that somebody is like how
do I do this?
You know, yeah, so you haveactually become an abortion
recovery leader, correct?
Yes, and how did you step intothat role?
Was that part of you Like, didyou just sense, like, after you
had gotten through you know,this Bible study, like what did
that look like for you to stepinto this leadership role to
(28:26):
help other women?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, so I believe that God was working on my heart
for that before I went throughmy own healing.
He just kind of has beenpursuing me over the last you
know however long, and kind oflaid that desire on my heart,
but I had to be healed first and, um, I am still in touch with
the women who led that studythat I went through and um have
(28:53):
been mentored by them and umencouraged by them and uh,
that's kind of how I got into it.
Uh, one of the nights that wewere leaving actually, um,
because I did the study inweekly format at that point and
one of the women actually leadsa panel of women who travel and
(29:14):
speak, and she told me that shewanted me to come speak with her
someday and um, so I ended upconnecting with her, staying
connected with her, and uh,she's a mentor of mine still
today and um, that's kind of howI got into, you know, sharing
my story publicly.
And then, uh, god placed it onmy heart to start my own podcast
(29:38):
and uh start, you know, helpingwomen both in the retreat
format but also with somecoaching and really just helping
them kind of coach through someof these stuck points that they
get in with their healing.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, well, what is the name of your podcast?
And we'll definitely share thatin the show notes.
I can't say that.
Share it in the show notes.
Say that 10 times.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Right, yes, my podcast is called Does God
Forgive Abortion.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, and you've also been.
We were talking before the show.
We've both been podcasting forabout a couple of years now, so
it's incredible.
So I want to ask you a littlebit about stepping into this
role of leadership and usingyour voice and speaking, sharing
your story.
Was there any hesitation inthat?
(30:27):
To step out and share fully inthe beginning?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yes, I was a little worried about what my family
would think because up untilwell about a couple years ago,
my mom was the only person in myfamily that knew and my husband
too.
I did tell my husband before wegot married, and so having
other people know something sovulnerable and really
(30:53):
controversial about you isn'tnecessarily comfortable and fun.
But now it's just really a partof who I am, and when I say
that I don't mean abortion, butI mean the healing that Jesus
gave me.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like that is why I am still here today, and so now I
(31:32):
don't get so much like anxietyor nerves when I'm going to
share, because it really just I,your calling and kind of the
anointing that we.
You know there's a calling thateverybody has right and
sometimes our calling will comeout of darkness, in essence,
right in so many different ways,but we have to be willing to
(31:55):
say yes and for you to say yesto you know, speaking your story
, and I'm sure that there's beenso many that have been impacted
, whether through I'm imaginingyou know, live events that
you've spoken at, maybe virtualevents or even your podcasts.
Like, have you heard frompeople who have heard your story
(32:15):
and I would love to hear if youcould share maybe an example of
that where somebody was setfree through you sharing your
story, because we know ourtestimonies can break chains
right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I actually was given a gift.
Today I spoke with a womanshe's in Iowa and she helps with
some abortion recovery and shewent to there's another healing
resource called Rachel'sVineyard those are available all
(32:46):
over the United States too andshe went to help co-facilitate
one of those retreats and one ofthe women in that retreat found
out about it because theylistened to my podcast.
Oh, my gosh, and so of courseyou know she couldn't share
details with me about the woman.
(33:06):
We, you know, in the abortionrecovery world we take
confidentiality super seriously.
But just even knowing thatsomeone was able to find a
healing resource just becausethey listened to my podcast, you
know, as I'm sure you know this, as podcasters we don't always
know the fruit that comes fromwhat we share.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
so when we get to find out something like that,
it's such a gift, yes, and now,like I can only imagine, like
the gender, I like to say it'slike a generational implication,
right, there's like a legacyimpact that you are, you know,
we just don't know, but you gotto hear, you know that sweet.
(33:47):
I feel like it's like a giftfrom the Lord when we can hear.
You know, those yeses that wegive and this is for everybody.
You guys, if you're listeningand you have yet to give the
Lord your yes on something he'scalling you to, it's not just
about you, wouldn't you say?
Absolutely, it might bestretching, you know, I don't
(34:07):
know about you, brittany, butthere's been a lot of stretching
in my days seven years, I wouldsay.
So.
You're also a like, would yousay a mental health coach.
You mentioned as well, like,what does that look like for you
if somebody were to want to getin touch with you and hear more
about what you do in that realm?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, absolutely yes.
So I do offer one-on-onecoaching for women who really
just want someone to talk toabout their story, from someone
who understands it.
You know some women I cannottalk enough about how valuable
abortion recovery groups are butsome women are very intimidated
(34:50):
about going into an in-persongroup setting and sometimes, you
know, starting with one-on-onecoaching can kind of help you
feel more comfortable to do that.
So I really focus on theindividual and what she is
really needing right in thatmoment and a lot of times I will
(35:11):
refer my the women who ask mefor help.
I will refer them out to.
You know programs like Forgivenand Set Free, rachel's Vineyard
, but two.
Sometimes we go through thosekind of foundational healing
groups or programs and we stillneed a little more, because I
(35:35):
firmly believe that God doesn'tjust heal us and then go all
right, you're good.
I think he uses it in some wayand that doesn't mean that every
single person that has beeninvolved with an abortion has to
go shout that from the rooftops.
But I do think that God, oncewe have that foundational
(35:55):
healing, can peel back otherlayers of some things that we
need to work through, and so alot of women who come to me for
help, have done that and justare needing, you know that.
Next step of you know what'sGod asking me to do?
How do I continue to cope withthese feelings that I have?
Because abortion does come witha lot of grief.
(36:20):
You know, if we are believingthat our children are created in
the image of God, which theyare our children are in heaven,
so we have to, you know, livewith the fact that we miss them.
You know we can grieve thatthey're not here, even if it was
through a decision we made.
So that's really a lot offoundational work too.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, can I?
I don't, I don't know how tolike encapsulate this question.
Hopefully it will make sense.
But I know at one point you'dmentioned kind of
compartmentalizing right To beable to, you know, keep going.
I think a lot of times um, youknow, I grew up in a lot of
trauma so I was able tocompartmentalize a lot of things
um, including having a couplemiscarriages after I was saved.
(37:06):
So I was just very confused andvery angry and I never grieved.
And I remember I would sayprobably seven, eight years ago,
somebody had said did you evergrieve those babies?
And I said no.
So, um, have you like, did youhave?
I guess you, and then even someof the gals that you've um
(37:29):
walked alongside, is therealmost an ignorance to the, to
the grief, like you just don'teven want to go there to grieve
ignorance to the grief, like youjust don't even want to go
there to grieve, absolutely yes,I think a lot of it stems from
we are the reason our childrenaren't here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's a choice that we made, and so isn't it kind of
hypocritical for us to then besad and grieve that they're not
here.
And so we have to work throughthat because, of course, you
know, god's grace says that, yes, we absolutely can grieve, um
and understand that our childrenare with him and, you know,
(38:10):
look forward to the day that weget to meet them.
Um, and yeah, you know, guiltand shame is just a really,
really huge barrier to that, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yes, Well, and speaking of the grief I know you
have, you actually havesomething that you give to
people in that, in that realm,correct?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, yep, I have this .
It's a free resource on mywebsite.
It's called the Permission toGrieve Devotional.
It's a one entry devotional.
So it's a free resource on mywebsite.
It's called the permission togrieve devotional.
It's a one entry devotional.
So it's just a few page PDFwith, you know, scripture and
biblical evidence that showsthat God has given permission
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for us to grieve our childrenlost to abortion, and so women
have found it kind of helpfulbecause a lot of them, you know,
just don't understand how theycan, you know, kind of break
past that stuck point ofunderstanding that it's okay to
move through that grief.
So, yeah, that's free toanybody.
(39:13):
On my website, britneypoppycom,forward slash freebie is where
you can download that.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, sounds good, and I'll be sure to put that in
the show notes as well.
Well, where's the Lord takingyou in this next season?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh man, that's a good question.
Um, I believe that he iscalling me to be a little bit
more bold with my speaking andseeking out more places to share
my story and really justfocusing on loving women well
(39:52):
and meeting them in their griefand their shame and just showing
them hope.
Yeah, that's kind of where Ifeel like he's taking me right
now.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's beautiful, I just believe for that expansion
with your voice.
I think every time you show upon a podcast and we don't see
the people, right, it seemsweird sometimes to me we don't
see the people right.
It seems weird sometimes to mewe don't see the people, but we
know that we're reaching thosewho need to hear it.
So if anybody is listening intoday who has a podcast or has
(40:28):
an opportunity for Brittany toshare her story, please reach
out to her.
We definitely want to bringmore hope to others around the
world.
So, in this climate that we'rein in the world and you know
there's just a lot going on whatare you most hopeful for?
In relation to?
I would like to say let'sobliterate abortion.
(40:50):
But like, how would you?
How would you like?
What are you most?
Um, what are you dreaming inthis, in this time?
Like, how does how would thatlook for you in the next?
You know the rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I agree with you.
I think that abortion um needsto end.
Uh, I think that we are losingtoo many precious lives to
abortion every single year andthe women who are going through
abortion are walking among uswith deep pain.
(41:28):
And two, I you know we don'thave to get too far into this
part.
You can, you know, stop me, butI do think our culture is
shifting and I think that itused to be.
The argument for abortion wassafe, legal and rare, and now
it's almost celebrated.
Yes, and yeah, it's horrible.
(41:50):
I'm seeing some women and Ireally do think it's.
They're in so much pain andthis is how they're handling it.
But I do see some of them, youknow, get on TikTok and kind of
celebrate what they're about todo and almost kind of create
more of like an influencing yeahand it just breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
And it just breaks my heart.
It's demonic, truly.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, yes, at the end of the day you know, it is, it
is and we need to have a hugeheart change in this world and
in this country.
We are never going to seeabortion end until we make it
unthinkable, until we, you know,really dive into teaching
(42:39):
people.
This is ending the life of aninnocent human being.
Um, and please hear me, youknow, if you're listening to
this and you struggle withchoosing abortion, hey, me too.
So I'm not condemning anybodyhere.
We just, you know it's.
I think if we really were ableto somehow undo all of this
(43:02):
brainwashing that has been done,we could see a huge heart
change.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
I remember seeing some videosand it was just like almost
bragging about how many they'dhad and it just made me like
almost sick.
I.
I just thought what you knowit's, it's, it's the verse you
know, calling good evil and evilgood.
Right, yeah, and we're seeing alot more of that in this day and
age and I love how you havethis heart that you are willing
(43:30):
to come alongside women who havewalked through it because, um,
you know I haven't walkedthrough it, because you know I
haven't walked through it.
But I can imagine what it'slike to, you know, just that
unresolved grief or the shameand the ways that the enemy is
so conniving to try to, you know, kick you down right, to have
somebody you know in your cornerthat you're a safe place for
(43:53):
them, like I can just sense youare a safe place for them.
They can share their heart withyou and you can help them move
forward.
And that's, you know, I'm acoach too.
That's what I love is we canhelp people move forward.
But in this realm that you'rein, it's so beautiful that you
can love on these gals right.
Have you ever, have you ever,walked alongside any men, or do
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you?
You know you mentioned yourboyfriend was, you know, not
wanting you to do this, and Iknow that there's other men out
there who, um, maybe who've beenin a situation where they
didn't feel like they had achoice.
Do you know of any resourcesfor men?
Have you walked through umanything with men, or are you
more called to just women?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, I have helped some men a little bit.
I do think, though, it's supervaluable for men to get to heal
alongside other men instead ofwomen.
I think that it's difficultbecause, you know, there's just
(44:56):
kind of two different situationsthere, um, but there are
resources for men out there, um,there's a book written by the
same woman who wrote theforgiven and set free study, um,
it's called healing a father'sheart, um, so that's a really
great resource.
And then there's also aministry support after abortion.
(45:21):
That's a resource for men andfor women.
And two, they aren'tnecessarily like they'll help
you, no matter kind of what yourfaith background is, but they
are pro-life, they're notaffirming abortion and they
encourage faith.
(45:41):
But it's okay if that's new toyou, you don't have to worry
about.
I mean, you wouldn't have towith me either.
It's just a little bit more ofone of those kind of secular
options, but it's not secular inthe unbiblical sense, if I'm
making any sense.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, it's not going to like steer you sideways.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, Well, I'm going to, for sure, add these
resources to the show notes,because I know that you know
there might be people out therethat are like I don't even know
where to go.
I don't, I mean, there's somany.
Maybe there are places outthere you could just Google.
But when you have somebodywho's walked through this, you
know these resources that are,you know, golden right that can
(46:24):
really actually help people.
Um, it's so so helpful.
So, oh my gosh, well, I feellike we could just keep talking,
but, um, uh, as I close today,um, I just thank you for sharing
your story and just beingvulnerable with my audience.
I always feel good to speak tothe one.
(46:46):
That's what this podcast is allabout.
So I'd love you to think of oneperson, whether it's a woman or
a man, and share any words ofencouragement or wisdom you feel
might speak over them today,and then would you mind praying
us out person, whether it's awoman or a man, um, and share
any words of encouragement orwisdom you feel might speak over
them today, and then would youmind praying us out?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
I would love to do that.
Um, so first, uh, no matterwhere you're at right now, uh,
if you are struggling with shameand guilt from abortion, maybe
you didn't directly have anabortion, but you helped
somebody do that, or maybe it'snot abortion at all, it might be
(47:24):
something else.
That is just really painful andyou are just really struggling.
I just want you to know thatyou are not alone, that we are a
world full of people that fallshort, but that's okay, because
God gave us his son and Jesuscame for us.
(47:46):
He came for every single one ofus.
Despite us falling short, hetook on our sin so that we don't
have to, and all we have to dois just lay it down at his feet
and trust him, and trust that heis going to heal us, that he
loves us, that he has never onceleft us, that he was with us
(48:12):
the entire time we were goingthrough whatever we went through
, and that he will continue towalk alongside us for the rest
of our lives.
And so you know, I justencourage you if you're
struggling to you know, firststep is tell somebody and get
help and understand that beingvulnerable is okay, and
(48:33):
sometimes it's that first,hardest step that can be the
most rewarding, to get us to thehealing that we need to have.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yes, yeah, oh my gosh .
Well, would you pray us outtoday?
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Dear Heavenly Father, I just want to thank you first
and foremost, so much forKristen and for her podcast and
for her listeners, and just forher willingness to have this
conversation.
Lord, we know that you haveintention in all things, that
you create connections withpeople for a reason, and I
(49:09):
believe that you have someonethat needed to hear this today,
and so I just pray that thisepisode will speak to that
person, that they willunderstand your love for them.
Just pray against any spiritualwarfare right now that's going
on.
Lord, we know that goodconversations like this are
(49:29):
hated by the enemy, and so Ijust pray against him.
Pray that there will be noissues in um.
You know anyone listening tothis?
Um.
Just pray that you will have ahedge of protection over them, a
hedge of protection overKristen to Lord and her family.
Um, we just thank you for beingso good, for um you know, being
(49:50):
our healer, for being ourprovider, um, for just being so
faithful in your promises, andjust pray that everyone that
hears this today will understandhow amazing and great you are.
In Jesus name, amen.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yes, amen, wow.
Well, let me close with theanchoring verse, because this
just flows right in May the Godof hope fill you with all joy
and peace and believing, so that, by the power of the Holy
Spirit, you may abound in hope,and that's Romans 15, 13.
So thank you for being a bravevoice who's setting many free.
(50:26):
I just wanted you to speak outloud again.
What is the best way forlisteners to reach you?
Your website?
Would you just share that withthem again?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes, so my website is BrittanyPoppy.
Yes, so my website isbritneypoppycom and my email is
on there.
You can fill out my contactform on there, and I'm also on
Instagram at britneypoppy, soyou can follow me or DM me there
too.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Okay Sounds great and , again, I'll put this all in
the show notes and please reachout to her If you have any
questions.
You feel you need to connectwith her for some reason.
I know that she will definitelybe somebody in your corner.
So, britney, thank you againfor being on, and I will be back
with another episode next week.
Thank you so much, thank you.
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