April 10, 2025 • 78 mins
What if your greatest ministry begins after 40? In this powerful conversation with singer-songwriter and prophetic musician Laura C, we explore how the sounds and frequencies around us shape our spiritual and physical reality. Laura shares her journey from rock bottom, including a wake-up call that led to transformation and creative flourishing. She explains how music's spiritual frequencies impact our bodies and challenges worship leaders to release their unique sound. With compassionate wisdom, Laura encourages us to trust Holy Spirit and discern truth in today’s world, reminding us that our unique sound is exactly what the world needs.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Laura C to the show.
I am so thrilled to have herhere with us today.
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I actually came across her afew years ago.
I was running a group coachingexperience and one of my clients
actually shared one of hersongs called Soar, and for those
of you who know me, you know Ilove Eagles and I listened to
the song and it was just.
It was everything.
It took me to a whole otherplace.
So, laura, would you be open tosharing a little bit about
(01:22):
yourself and then we'll get intoit.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sure Um.
Thank you, kristen, for havingme on first of all, and what
specifically would you beinterested in?
Because, girl, I could go likeall the way back and do my old
testimony.
So, what?
What are you feeling like theLord is wanting to highlight?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, for you you know, everybody who comes on
there's an element of ourtestimony that what are you
feeling like the Lord is wantingto highlight today For you,
everybody who comes on, there'san element of our testimony that
really ushers us into where weare today.
So if you think back to thatplace, I think of you as this
beautiful, pioneering, creativewho's out there musically doing
(02:05):
things very different.
So what, like, bring us back tomaybe a time in your life that
has ushered you into this place.
And, you know, is there a partof your testimony that you
believe would really help unlocksomebody in their own life and
bring hope to them?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Sure, okay.
So what came to me when yousaid that?
Because the title of yourpodcast has to do with hope Um I
w.
I remember being 40 years oldand sitting in my living room um
drinking red wine out of acoffee cup at like 8.
(02:43):
Am, after my little kids hadgone to school, and thinking,
for the first time ever, feelinghopeless, like all my firsts
were done my first record deal,my first publishing deal, my
first child, my first marriage.
Like I was, I didn't haveanything to look forward to and
(03:12):
coming from being adopted andthe generational line that I
came from, that devaluedchildren and I was one of seven
that was that was birthed andgiven away.
So I didn't even value at thattime the beautiful job of
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mothering the way that Godwanted me to.
So I just remember feelingabsolutely hopeless, and if you
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would have told me that myministry, my greatest joy, would
have started after my 40s, Iwould have absolutely told you
were crazy, because I've alwaysbeen intuitive, I've always been
connected to Holy Spirit, I'venever felt alone, and the fact
that I didn't see that onecoming was really huge for me.
So so I guess one of thegreatest messages that I have is
for those who are in thatsituation later in their life
maybe and who have thought thatall the exciting good years have
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kind of passed them by.
And I definitely, I definitelywant to encourage those that you
can be in your later years andfeel literally like a child in
the best way, not childish butchildlike, where you're excited
about everything that God'sdoing, where things are opening
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up to you like they never dideven in your younger years,
where you're soaring in yourgifting and in your assignment
and scroll on this planet andyou're having more intimate
face-to-face encounters with theliving god than you ever even
(05:17):
believe possible.
So that's kind of um, I guess,where I would love to just
encourage someone, right now.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So, if you like, if you go back, you said after 40,
you know you're, you're outthere releasing this.
I would say just, I don't evenknow how to explain your music.
I'm going to ask you morequestions about it.
Were you music, like musical,as a child?
Were you in that space?
Did you know that you had thesegiftings within you?
(05:51):
Like, what did that look like?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yes, so I've known from literally four years old
what my assignment was on theplanet.
I knew that it was to write andrelease music um from the most
intimate place.
So music started out very young.
I started writing at four andit became my therapy and I was I
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don't want to use, I was beingmolded by uh the Lord and
prepared maybe to have my firstlike Christian record deal.
I was kept very at like 18.
So I was kept very pure in thesense that I didn't listen to
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music on the radio.
I didn't know pop music, Ididn't.
I really used music ascommunication and as therapy and
as intimacy from a very youngage.
I also was my adopted mother,was a speaker at women's
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conferences and singer and I washer company accompaniment.
So it's crazy because I'mliterally doing now what she did
then.
So um, so, so, yes, I was grewvery young.
So I got a Christian recordsituation when I was like 18 and
pulled out of college and Imoved down to Los Angeles and it
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imploded through some.
They were very well-knownChristian um producers and uh
executives.
But what happened is they madesome poor decisions and I had
never, ever encountered any kindof scenario like this any kind
(07:45):
of like, especially Christiansbeing um.
It was traumatic for me becauseI trusted them, I associated
them with God and and that wasmy own you know place that I was
at in my immaturity, and so Ifreaked out.
I went back to my hometown inNorthern California and I made a
(08:11):
vow and we need to be really,really conscious of the vows
that we make with our words andour heart, because all of heaven
and all of all of the all ofthe heavens, the ones above and
the ones below, are alllistening to our words and they
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are acting upon them.
And I made a vow that I wouldnever get screwed over like that
again, and so I was going tolearn everything I could about
the other side of the musicbusiness, the secular side, to
arm myself and protect myself.
So, instead of relying rememberI was 18, instead of knowing how
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to rely on the father toprotect me, which he did in
spite of me, I ended up working,going down to LA when I was 20
and working for the biggest likerecord producer, songwriter at
the time, and so I was throwninto and I didn't step.
I didn't step in a church for10 years, my entire 20s I never
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stepped in a church because Imade a vow, so I was thrown into
the record business, theHollywood entertainment scene,
like right straight to the topand worked with all the greats.
But the crazy thing was isbecause I never listened to
music and I didn't know who anyof these were, who any of these
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were, I was invited in becauseprobably because I wasn't a fan
I was invited in to the innercircle very quickly and really
by some of the top songwritersand producers, just really taken
under their wing, and so Ilearned a lot about the business
side of music.
Then at the end of my 20s I gota music publishing deal, a
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secular music publishing deal onmy own, and then I met my
husband and said thank you forthe money and I'm going to New
York and I'm going to dowhatever I want to do.
I'll write with some people.
But I fell in love my husband,who is a advertising executive
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and we moved from LA to New Yorkand then I began to live that
life and have children and I didhave some success as a
songwriter under a differentname and I had songs in covered
by artists and also in film andTV.
But I just spent the nextseveral years raising children
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and didn't touch music at all.
So so that's kind of like I hadthe best of both like, but I
definitely returned uh, becauseI was suppressing and maybe a
lot of people can relate to thispart because I had so
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suppressed and made vows aboutmy relationship with God and my
calling I had stuffed them down.
So we all know that that leadsto like major dysfunction, right
, and so I had issues, seriousissues, with addiction and with
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alcoholism, and to get to thatpoint, at age 40, when I was
sitting in that room with acoffee cup of wine, I ended up
having.
I ended up driving in ablackout with my kids in the car
.
I ended up driving in ablackout with my kids in the car
, and I ended up going at thatexact time into a 12-step
(12:16):
program.
And so that's when the Lord Ifinally began, during that year,
the first year that I was in 12step recovery, I finally made
space again for him to begin tostir that up in me and begin to
speak to me and begin.
I had humbled myself a lot, andso you know, there are there
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are so many beautiful cycles inlife of of that create the
balance of contraction andexpansion.
And you know the womb processand birthing and pain and growth
.
I was always so pain averse thatpart of my hopelessness was I
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had, through my time in LA.
I had definitely linkedtogether pain with failure and
pain with fear and pain with notbeing a good Christian, instead
of understanding that these arecycles that we need to go
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through and that pain is adoorway into something greater.
If you allow it to be, you getto choose, because God won't
override your free will.
So all the other times whenthere was pain, I would choose.
I didn't know that it could bea doorway.
(13:54):
Let's put it that way was thefirst time that I was kind of
forced to see that I couldeither choose the door of growth
and new life and and um, newchoices, or I could choose to go
(14:18):
backwards and so so everythingreally changed when I humbled
myself and the pain of stayingwhere I was was greater than the
fear of the unknown you had arock bottom moment but did like
tangibly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
can you share with us like emotionally, like what,
what happened?
Was there a specific day thatyou can remember that you were
just like I.
I can't live like this anymore.
Um, I have my own story ofbeing saved from addiction as
(14:58):
well, and I remember and I feellike there's somebody who might
be even in this place right now,today, and they, they just want
to hear like like that's whatI'm feeling too.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, well, knowing that I was feeling hopeless and
having wine at 8 am in themorning was a dark place to
actually see.
I observed myself doing thatbecause I was able to pull back.
The Lord opened that up.
But driving in the blackout,waking up in the morning and
(15:34):
seeing groceries and not knowing, not remembering me getting
them, and then my husband sayingwhat do you mean?
You don't remember.
We drove home from the Biblestudy party together and went to
the grocery store and I droveand I didn't remember any of it,
(15:58):
so much of my children's.
You know my children's lifebecause I was with my.
I was having migraines and wassick and hung over in the
afternoon when they came homeand from school.
And just those moments when ofclarity they call it clarity but
(16:22):
the truth is, is God was reallypulling me back so I could
observe, cause when you're in ityou can't observe or see
yourself objectively and thosewere definitely moments where I
was like I was created for morethan this.
And.
But that, had that wouldn'thave risen up in me in a pure
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way instead of a rebellious,prideful way.
It wouldn't have risen up in mein a clear way unless the Lord
had really allowed me to go downto the valley of the shadow of
death.
So I'm eternally grateful forthat.
And another thing I think thatpeople often get confused by
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later in my story I had massivesupernatural sovereign
encounters where I was taken inthe spirit for 48 hours and I
was incredibly changed.
Like almost what people?
It's funny because I didn'thave an NDE near-death
experience.
But when I listen to people'snear-death experiences, they're
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extremely.
They're almost identical towhat happened to me, but I was
taken for 48, in the natural, Iwas laid out for 48 hours.
So but what happens is when wehave these cycles and we get
radically healed or radicallychanged, we don't understand
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that this is spirit school, likewe don't see the big picture
and so we don't know that we'rereally in school.
And so what will happen,especially with addiction?
Like, let's say, you have atrigger come back up and you
succumb to it and you go intomassive condemnation because you
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you feel that if you were trulyhealed you wouldn't have even
had that come back up.
So I would love to encouragepeople that, like in school,
when you're given new revelationand understanding or knowledge
on something, you're going to betested, and to not internalize
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the test, like when we're inschool, we don't go wait, I'm
having a test, oh no, that mustmean I, I failed.
Right, you know what I mean.
Like before the year, eventaking the test as even as being
offended by even given a test,right?
So even Jesus was taken intothe wilderness and tempted.
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So it's part of the maturingprocess, it's part of the steps
that we can't skip in theprocess.
And just because you're tempteddoes not mean and tested does
not mean that you failed.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Amen, say that again.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Just because you're tested didn't mean that you did
something wrong.
It just means you're taking thetest.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, Like those are some keys for somebody listening
in.
Today I know for myself andeven in my own story you know,
there's been kind of these shamecycles that will come in along
the journey that will try tokeep you bound, because you have
those moments where maybe youquote, unquote, failed the test.
But, like you said, there's,there's such a, it's such a
(19:50):
process, like life is such aprocess, and I don't know about
you, but there's been.
You know places in my life, inmy own heart, in my own journey
that you kind of want to snapyour fingers and just you know,
can we just get through thispretty quickly?
And there, it's not.
It's not this microwave.
You know healing process allthe time.
(20:10):
You know, for me I wasradically delivered of addiction
.
It was like that quit drugs,quit alcohol, quit smoking.
But it's not like that foreverybody, Right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Absolutely and it it for everybody, Right, Absolutely
and it it.
That's not even the processthat kind of you're still going
to have to mature in.
So God will use whatever heneeds to use in your life to
mature, to mature you into themeasure, the full measure of
Christ, because Christ in us,the hope of glory, us being
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formed into his likeness and hisnature, is the journey.
So he will use what, absolutelywhatever he needs to use.
And if we think that healing isone and done, then then we're
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missing the whole point, becauseit the journey, is the story,
the journey is the testimony.
And even if you get radicallydelivered from or you receive
wholeness in one area, trust andbelieve, you're going to have
other areas that you're stillgoing to have to mature in.
And that's okay, it's all okay.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So good Can I?
Did you have I know you didlike 12 step.
I feel like we're just kind ofstopped here for a second.
Did you have like supportiveyou know your husband?
Did you have people that werelike supporting you through your
journey, as you were healingand going through your own
process?
What did that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, I did the 12 step thing only for the first
year and I, even to this day, ifsomeone is in crisis with
addiction, I would wreck.
I still recommend a 12 stepprogram in the beginning for
them.
The problem was, is I?
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It became my identity because Ididn't know my identity,
identity outside of that.
And here's the thing I uh got ahuge download for a wreck, my
first record during that period,during that year, and I
produced an album that was 12steps, 12 songs.
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It's called the Gift ofBrokenness and I used a Grammy
winning producer and the thingis is the Lord flung the gates
wide open for me to begin toshare that record.
So I was on the Today Show twiceand traveled all over the
country.
I did not know that there is awhole circuit out there of
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12-step music, of people thatare doing music related to their
recovery, which I calledrecovery music.
Um and so, for for a year and ahalf or two years I was
traveling all around the countrybeing part of these festivals
and and events, right, and a lotof people were getting a lot of
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healing because there thereweren't a lot of albums out
there at that time.
In fact, I was told by thePrism Awards out in Hollywood
that I was the first one thatdid an entire album dedicated to
recovery.
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, I called it recovery music, anyway, but what
happened is I didn't have, Ihadn't matured.
So the anointing, as we know,our anointings, are
non-repentant, like they reignon the just and the unjust.
We all have anointings forsomething, and anointings have
nothing to do with character,they're just a gift and your
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character still has to bedeveloped.
A gift and your character stillhas to be developed.
So, because I hadn't dealt withmy 10 years in Hollywood and
the platforms inside of me, um,and the desire to be, you know,
famous, or all that stuff thatyou get in Hollywood, you get
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baptized into, I hadn't reallydealt with all that.
And so somebody from Hollywoodoffered me a deal to manage me,
saying, yeah, you're thinkingtoo small with this recovery
thing.
And, by the way, when I was inthe flow of my assignment, the
Lord was my manager.
He opened every door and it wasseamless, it was like literally
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threw me out there and made allthese crazy, incredible things
happen.
But I hadn't dealt with mystuff.
And so this manager came andsaid I'm going to do this, this,
this, and that it was just likethe enemy offering me to sell
my soul.
And I went this sounds fun.
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And so the second, I signed thepaperwork, um, the Lord just
shut the door on the entirething and that's yeah, he shut
the door.
And then, of course, I wentinto a really dark place, um,
where he began to deal with me,on my heart and some of the
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trading platforms, um, some ofthe exchanges that I'd done, of
what I've given over, um ofmyself in order to gain
something that that was outsideof what the Lord had already
done.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, absolutely it's .
It's that you know we weretalking a little bit before we
got started.
It's that you know theobedience that we.
It's it's either his yes orit's like I used to call it,
it's his great or my good.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And we have these choices where it's like a best
yes or a best no, and we arewe're constantly faced with
choices every day, right?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But there are some bigger moments in our life that
we, um.
We are offered things that maymay look like they're sparkly
and the treasure, um, but you'veencountered some of these times
that really have been.
It's a counterfeit right.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's absolutely the counterfeit and I needed to deal
with some of those things haveto come up.
So so many times we, we thinkShalom, which means wholeness,
which is pretty much like myassignment is to engage and
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teach and explore the words, theword shalom.
So people think shalom meanspeace, but it really means
wholeness, like the fullness ofChrist formed in us and the
ability to govern over our owninternal chaos and to have
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Christ walk on our water Becausewe are with, you know, with our
cells and plasma.
We are about 99% water.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So um, or high nineties, so anyway, um, um.
I forgot what you, I forgotwhat you were asking me.
I was going off on a tangent.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, it's good.
Um, so where you know where youhad these these times, where it
was just the it's a, you knowthe counterfeit that we were
drawn into right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, you, you were saying how we have to have those
, we have to have these momentsthat we're coming face to face
with ourself right, yeah, so Ireally feel like, if we're
honest with ourselves, most ofus are seeking what I would call
, like in quotes, nondisturbance.
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We're seeking to return to thatwomb place where we feel really
safe, where we feel totallynurtured and where all our needs
are met.
But every baby has to bebirthed at some point.
And the problem is is we, wecan do that, we can surround
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ourselves, we can stay in a womb, we can create, we create every
with our thoughts, our words,we're always creating, so we can
create a universe where we dealwith no one, where we never get
hurt.
We, we can, you know, we cancocoon ourselves if we want to,
but you're going to stay aninfant and you're never going to
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be born and you're never goingto be revealed.
So the cycle is always hidden,revealed, hidden, revealed.
And those are the.
That's the cycle that we haveto choose to engage with in
order to mature and to grow andto become more like Christ, and
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to grow and to become more likeChrist.
And the problem is is we want,we don't mind the hidden and we
love the revealed, but we don'twant the birthing process, right
?
You?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
just completely put into words so much of what I
explained to people, but you didit so eloquently.
Oh, that's awesome.
Butterflies have really been abig thing for me over the years,
just their transformationprocess.
Like yeah, start out as a littlecrawling creature, go into the
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cocoon for a while.
I love just their process.
I've seen it like this lastyear there was four cocoons
right outside my window here towatch their process and I think
of like how, I think of howpainful it is to become glop
goop, whatever it is.
There you go, the meltdown.
Yeah, it's like it's thiscomplete refining process and
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then they come out and they,they're beautiful, they can soar
, and I've said over the years,especially these, I don't know
about you, but I'm 47.
So I would say since I turned40, it's been in and out of the
cocoon.
I'm like, oh, going back intothe cocoon again.
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But we don't stay there and I'veseen so many people that, like
you said, want to stay in thesafe place.
They want to just stay safe andnot step out and do the thing
that, you know, maybe God'scalling them to do or to be and
become because it is safe.
It's.
We're not called to be safe.
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Safe it's, we're not called tobe safe.
Um, as you know, people havecalled me like a spiritual
midwife.
There is this birthing processwe have to push painful, like
having kids is painful.
It is painful and, um, you know, I I think of these moments
that we, we have a choice and weget to push, we get to have him
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.
You know, he's given us thingsto birth, yes, but there's going
to be pain in that process.
So thank you for likeeloquently.
Do you have a song about this?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Pretty much every one of my songs is about this
journey of the soul and thetransformation, journey of of
the soul and the transformation.
Because, um, you know what Ilove about the fire of God when
it says that he is a consumingfire.
Um, well, we instinctively fearfire, right, but the truth is,
fire never destroys, it onlychanges the composition of
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something.
Right, because energy neverdisappears, it just changes form
.
And so when we're in, like I,have learned to welcome the fire
, to engage him as the consumingfire, because all fire does is
burn away that which is carnal,which is not of him.
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And if you learn to embrace thefire, I actually do have a song
called I won't fight the fire,and it's literally about running
toward that which we, in whichour carnal nature, fears.
But we absolutely need therefiner's fire, and it's never
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the reason we fear.
It is because we don'tunderstand the true nature of
the father.
We still see him as punitive,as a punisher, and that we
associate fire with punishmentand burning something down,
being destroyed.
But the truth is, is fire, it'spart of his nature, his four,
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the only words that Yahwehhimself uses to describe himself
in scripture are love, light.
In scripture are love, light,spirit and fire.
And so I've been really engagingGod as the consuming fire and
retraining my mind and my heartto move toward him as the fire,
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to welcome the purifying and seeit as his consuming love and
not punishment.
And the more we begin to trainourselves towards his true
nature, then more and more ofthe fear begins to be
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transformed into energy.
That begins to be transformedinto energy that, because fear
is major energetically, fear isa powerful system, right, and so
the more that we can transmutethat fear into something else
because fear's not just going todisappear, it must be
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transmuted by the renewing ofour mind and by his power.
So learning to take that whichI feared and transmute it into
that which I welcome and I knowwill bring him forth, Do you
have, like you know I look atthe last five years in our world
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you know it's a weaponeverywhere, right?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
What does that look like for you to maybe take
something in this world?
I'm just wanting you to give anexample to somebody who's
listening.
Maybe they're living in fear,anxiety like how, how would you
encounter something that maybewould be, you know, in our flesh
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?
Fear producing, how do youtangibly flip the script on that
?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Through relationship with him face to face, through
encounter, through meditation,which is scriptural, through
engaging his true nature beingokay.
So we only do what Jesus didright.
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Okay, so we only do what Jesusdid right.
Jesus always pulled himselfaway and he says I only do what
I see my father doing and saywhat I hear my father saying.
So that is our pattern.
So we only then do, we go andsee because we are in him, so he
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is in us and we are in him.
So anything that he can do andsee, we can do and see.
So when I really believe theBible when it says come up here,
I go up inside of me, right,because he's in me and the
kingdom is within.
So I engage him face to faceand I ask him from his
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perspective, what's happening,what is this?
I pull because everything isabout seeing it from his
perspective and his perspectiveis always 180 degrees different
than our perspective.
And so every time somethinghappens in this world, I ask him
what are you doing, what isthis for?
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And he almost always shows meor he deals with some fear
inside of me.
I take it to him becausewhatever you look at, whatever
you focus on, multiplies.
That's just a principle, that'sa spiritual principle, that's a
uh.
That's a physical principle,right?
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So we know that if you focus onyour depression, you become
more depressed.
If you focus on food, youbecome more hungry.
If whatever you put your focuson draws it to you, that's just
physics and it's a spiritualprinciple.
So that's why it says fix youreyes on him so that he will
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multiply.
And so I always am asking himuntether me.
Because the reason that we getinto fear is because we're
tethered to the world, we'retethered to the news, we're
tethered to politics, we'retethered to systems down here
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that are not even of him.
We come from another kingdom,we come from another realm.
He is our home.
That kingdom is our true natureand our true reality, yet.
(38:44):
So we need to ask him help me,untether from country you live.
You may have your home in theembassy, you may live in an
embassy in another country, butyou're not from there and you
don't even your rules of conductaren't governed by the country
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that you're in.
You still get to have in anembassy as an ambassador.
You still get to have your home, protocols, rules, customs,
honored and you live by those,even in another country.
Right, that's who we are.
We are ambassadors of heavenand we live from the embassy of
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heaven in this realm that we arein relationship.
The more that that becomes ourreality, the less power that
this has over it.
And Ian Clayton once said if youlook meaning hook your eyes
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into at what's happening in thisworld, you'll get what's
happening to this world.
But if you look what's comingout of heaven, you'll get what's
coming out of heaven.
And I choose to hook and anchorinto what's coming out of
heaven.
That's what I do with music.
That's why my music soundsdifferent, feels different, is
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because I see what I take.
My seat in heaven, where thescripture clearly says I'm
seated in heavenly places.
So before I sing, I engage thatseat.
I hear and see what Yahweh isdoing in heaven, what he's
releasing, what sounds andfrequencies he's releasing into
this realm, and I bring themforth.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You're setting somebody free today.
Amen.
I want to touch on frequenciesbecause, gosh, it must have been
.
I might have been kind of lateto the game.
Some of us are right, I wouldsay probably six or so years ago
I went to see a naturopathbecause I had some things that I
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needed tended to, and also aChristian naturopath.
So she, you know, very HolySpirit led, christian naturopath
.
So she, you know, very holyspirit led, and one of the first
things she said to me um, I'msure you've heard of it before.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
It was whole tones you heard of.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You mean a website well it's frequency like uh
sounds music.
That you okay.
There's a sleep one specificallybut she told me you you really
need to start like tapping intothis, and I was like, oh, I've
never heard of that before.
So when I heard that you had,you know basically what I would
(41:52):
I think you call it as well likeheavenly, frequency, sound this
, this music?
Um, like what?
What did that look like for youto step into that, and could
you explain to people who maybeI don't know, some people have
fear about frequencies?
I think some of these wordshave just become again.
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They've been hijacked by theenemy, so could you go there?
Would you go there?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Absolutely so.
Um, let's see, frequency isjust energy.
It's, uh, it's just a sonicwave that our ear interprets as
sound.
So, or, but, but everything ismade up of frequency.
Um, I mean, that's justEinstein, tesla.
(42:41):
So everything is about tuning.
Every thought that we have,every word that we say,
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everything we listen to istuning us to something, right,
it's changing our frequency.
And if people really want tounderstand what sound and
frequency do to our bodies, theyshould check out Dr Massaro,
m-a-s-u-r-o, emoto, e-m-o-t-o,and it's called the study of
sound and its effects in thisrealm, are on on matter, are
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called, is called cymatics, andit's C-Y-M-A-T-I-C-S and it's
just science.
So they basically, when I saidthat we are almost, you know, in
the 90 percentile of water,that we are almost in the 90
percentile of water, water is acarrier of sound, right?
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So we are constantly, if we arethat much water, we are
constantly being tuned.
The sound is going into ourwater, like when you drop a rock
into a pond and you see theripples.
That's happening inside of usand geometric structures are
being formed in our body and the, the, if you, you know,
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chemically everything comes downto the geometric structures
right At the base of all,anatomy, um biology.
So, basically, we areconstantly tuning ourselves to
either the tree of life or thetree of the knowledge of good
and evil, right and it's.
It's interesting because in the12 step program they say
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everything that you do or say orthink is moving you toward a
drink or away from a drink.
Same concept we are being tunedto the mind of Christ.
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Source is the most importantthing, the source being either
the carnal mind or Jesus as thetree of life.
So I am constantly retuningmyself to his frequency through
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what I listen to, through what Iread, through what I hear, in
the spirit engaging him face toface.
His words are tuning me,Scripture is alive.
So scripture is constantlytuning us to truth.
Right, it's living and active,and frequency matters.
(45:51):
Everything has a frequency, allmatter carries frequency.
So, yes, so my music is, andyou'll know this, because when
you hear a song, it willimmediately make you feel a
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certain way Right.
And, trust me, the enemyunderstands this so well.
He knows how to tune us to thefrequency of chaos, the
frequency of anger, thefrequency of fear, absolutely
knows this.
So he can't create anythingright, he can just duplicate.
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So the Lord also has used music, all through scripture, to like
David with Saul, he used thefrequency, the sound of the
music to tune him to wholeness,to Shalom.
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And it's also no accident thatthe in the lyre, l Y R E, the,
the instrument that David played, was made.
Played was made out of gutstring.
Gut string because the soundand the frequency goes straight
to our gut, to our water, to ouremotions.
So the way the Lord has shownme by taking me into heaven and
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explaining this to me is thatwhat is carried on the frequency
of our voices, of my voice, iswhat is inside me.
So if you study breath, if youstudy the chemistry of breath,
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our DNA is literally released onour breath.
So if my DNA is truly his DNA,because he is in me and I am in
him and I only do what I see himdoing and hear what I hear him
saying, then his frequency, hissound, him doing and hear what I
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hear him saying, then hisfrequency, his sound will be
released on my breath when Ispeak and when I sing and will
go into people's water and willtune them to Christ.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Like my brain is exploding in a good way.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Just the way that you're explaining this.
Again, I think you're going tobe setting somebody free because
again, there's just been such ahijacking in the world.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Different things.
You know, I, I, I do it Like.
There's so much music that Ilistened to.
I definitely stay away fromcertain genres that I maybe used
to listen to before I was abeliever.
I'll just use an example.
I used to listen to Metallicabefore I was a believer, and so
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many moments I'd be listening tothat music I wanted to commit
suicide.
So many moments I'd belistening to that music I wanted
to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yep, that's frequency , because it's carried in the
DNA of well cause cause.
Maybe through them.
At that time they were engagingwith things that caused death.
So death is carried on thesound.
Which is why.
Which is why at a, why at aconcert, the enemy can stir up
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chaos in a crowd.
But remember when I said thathe can only duplicate, so that
means that the Lord can.
Then, in corporate worship, incorporate sound, can stir up
Holy spirit, can stir up theanointing, could bring in the
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glory, because of the sound andthe frequency, everyone joining
with the same source.
It's sometimes it's it'sfrustrating, because I try to
choose my words really carefully, because sometimes a lot of the
people that I speak to don'thaven't yet separated out what
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is the counterfeit and what isthe original.
So they will accuse me of beingnew age, or they will accuse me
of being new age, or they willaccuse me of being in the occult
.
And the truth is is the Lordhas really shown me the original
that comes from him, that theenemy is stolen, that he is now
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trying to take back because itbelongs to him.
So there are so many principlesand technologies and words that
the occult took because,remember, it rains on the just
and the unjust.
When God releases something outof heaven, he doesn't only drop
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it into a Christian's heart.
He releases it out of heavenand whoever pulls it down will
receive it if they're open.
Does that make sense?
So, and and a lot of the church?
He told me himself the Lordsaid I released things out of
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heaven that the church rejectedout of fear, but I am taking
them back because they belong tome.
So I'm still in that kind ofpart of the journey of where
we're at as a corporate body, aspeople, where we're still in
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that transition where peoplestill are fearful of things that
I might be saying, because theystill see that only as the
counterfeit or new age.
But I promise you do theresearch.
It always belongs to originallyto the Lord.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Well, that's you know .
That's part of why I feel hehad me to reach out to you is to
help bring you know, awarenessand wisdom and knowledge to
people who maybe don't havepeople in their life that are
speaking truth.
They're, they're in maybe acorporate body that doesn't go
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there because a lot of peopledon't go there in in many ways.
So I, I again, I believe thatthis is going to open up, you
know, ears and eyes to truth andthey can go, you know, take it
to the Lord you know your list.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Take it back to the.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Lord, you know your list.
Take it back to the Lord.
I mean, that's always my whenI'm coaching people like I might
have a prophetic word for you.
But take it back to the Lord,you know.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Can I just say one thing that Holy Spirit told me
which, which when I because Iwrote this song, your word Out
of Heaven, and I was so offendedwhen the Lord dropped that into
my spirit, I said I am notwriting this, I am not a word
out of heaven, you're the word.
And he said Laura.
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He said, don't get it twisted,you are not the word, but you
are a word.
You are made in my image.
You are made in the image ofChrist.
It's scripture.
I'm sorry, you are made in myimage, so you are not the word,
but we are a word out of heaven.
So Holy Spirit said to me atsome point you have to trust me,
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holy Spirit, more than you feardeception.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Say that again.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
At some point we have to trust Holy Spirit more than
we fear deception.
We are either in relationshipthe kingdom is either within us
or it's not and we can't givemore weight and honor to
deception than we do to HolySpirit.
So only with Holy Spirit can weunpack through the word what is
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true and what is not.
But you, I love Justin, andAbraham always says you are
powerful to think on your own,to take what I say, take it back
to the Holy Spirit and let himopen it up for you.
Just make that space inside ofyourself to say I am willing to
(54:29):
entertain this, even though I'vebeen told it's not of you.
Will you show me where you arein this and then like take, take
Holy Spirit's word for it,don't take mine.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, amen.
I mean, right, there it is.
There's a huge key for you guys.
Now you mentioned you've hadmaybe some pushback along the
way.
What has it been like for youto walk that out?
You know I come alongside a lotof women who you know maybe
they're dealing with.
You know people pleasing orfear of man, or you know what
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does it look like for you tokeep going?
Because I see way too manypeople self-aborting their
calling?
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well, I have been kicked out.
I was leading worship at areally large evangelical church
and I was asked to leave.
And you have to have such anauthentic relationship with the
Lord that when somebody tellsyou that you're, that you're not
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what they're looking foranymore, or that they don't
agree with you that thatrelationship is just, no one can
take away a relationship whatreal like.
I have had encounters afterencounter after encounter with
the living God.
No one can take that away fromme.
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And the word has backed upevery single thing that he has
I've seen in the heavenlies.
So at some point you have totrust that reality has to be
more real to you Now.
Yes, you have to be inaccountability.
I'm in, I'm in accountability.
(56:29):
I have people in my life thatspeak into my life that I bounce
things off of, that.
There are um that challenged meand that we, we discover
through the word um, you knowwhat, whether it's real or not,
(56:52):
I I mean I I'm in accountabilitywith, with many people.
So I'm certainly not off of myown and I don't recommend that
to anyone.
Don't be a lone wolf, don't gooff crazy.
But we have to let go of fearand we also have to go.
We have to say you're taking meon a journey, lord, and there
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may be some times, based on mypast brokenness or generational
brokenness, where I'm a littleoff for a minute.
But you will retune me back totruth and if you stay humble at
the feet of the Lord, whereyou're always willing to be
tuned to truth, I mean, imaginewhen someone's a kid your own
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child is riding a bike and theyfall a few times and you kick
them and say you idiot, you'llnever get to ride a bike again
because you fell down a coupleof times while you were using
your training wheels.
We would never do that to achild, yet we do that to fellow
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brothers and sisters in Christall the time.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And wouldn't you say it's almost more rampant than
it's ever been.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Well, religion is being religion.
The unrighteous real of thesame, the same spirit that Jesus
railed against, is beingdeconstructed and it is coming
down.
So that's just a fact, andwe're seeing it all around us.
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Things are imploding,ministries are imploding.
Anything that was not all thatcan be shaken is being shaken.
Anything that was not built onhim is coming down.
Because it's a system and,thank God, because the current
system that we have of you knowthree fast songs, two slow songs
and you know everything timeddown and the production that
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church has become.
And the production that churchhas become I don't even know
where that came from.
That has to only be in the lastlike hundred years that never,
ever, all through history, neverwas what the church, the body,
looked like, and there's onlyone church and it's the church
in heaven.
So that's the church.
I'm part of Amen.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
What is his heart on that?
What do you sense?
His heart is over the future.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
His heart is the same way.
It is with us.
It's love, and it's actuallylove that is allowing.
It's not punitive, it'srestorative.
His judgments are always untorestoration and mercy always
triumphs over judgment.
So most of what's happeningright now, even though the Lord
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maybe sovereignly put thedominoes in motion, the people,
the things that are beingexposed are things that we did
to ourselves, because we havefree will, and the Lord gave uh,
he gave the government over toAdam.
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Adam gave it away, yeshua,jesus on the cross, gave it back
to us, and the Lord honors that.
I personally don't.
I don't believe.
I believe that free will isresponsible for almost
everything that happens.
The Lord, he's not a masterchess player manipulating us and
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moving pieces around.
He has boundaries, he has rules, because it is a kingdom and
there is order, but he isteaching us how to rule and
reign as sons.
That's scripture, that's thebook of Hebrews.
There's a purpose to all ofthis so that we can rule and
reign as the kings and prieststhat we are in the order of
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Melchizedek Right and as he is,so are we in this world.
So all of this is to teach ushow to become, to step into the
position that he has given us askings and priests.
So we are learning how to judgeand the truth is is according
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to the pattern of Jesus, wecannot judge anything that we
are not willing to die for.
So, yes, we are going to judge,but Jesus established the
pattern because he is our typeand pattern and he died.
He became the high priest anddied.
(01:01:43):
That's why he was allowed tojudge, because he loved the
world that he died for our sinsright, and so we therefore
cannot judge anyone that we arenot willing to die for.
So his judgments are righteousand his judgments are are all
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good, but there his justicelooks different than ours.
His justice is unto restoration, and if our heart is not
positioned, if we don't havecompassion for the abuser and
the abused, then we're notseated in his heart.
(01:02:26):
Now there are naturalconsequences that have to play
out when someone, when someone,when there's a miscarriage of
justice, but God always judgesunto restoration, and
restoration doesn't always meanthat they get their platform
back, especially in ministry.
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It's like that's a fake, that'sa carnal, man-made platform.
Anyway, if, if Jesus and thedisciples are our pattern, you
know, then they never stood onany platform and had a ministry.
Paul was a tent maker, peterwas a fisherman.
(01:03:09):
It's like go get a job at HomeDepot and do your ministry and
be like Jesus.
There's your ministry and trusthim to provide.
But just because you abusesomeone or had some real public
failure doesn't necessarily meanthat you get your ministry back
, because maybe he never put youthere in the first place.
(01:03:30):
But that's not a.
Thus saith the Lord.
That's just a.
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Great, it's, it's a whole, it's a whole topic.
We could, we could come backfor yeah and you asked about his
heart.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I'll tell you his heart is always for both to be
restored back to their originalestate, which is the fullness of
christ, the full measure ofChrist formed in all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I'm thinking like one of your songs is restoration,
right, just just thinking ofthat song, this might be kind of
I know I'm going sideways for asecond, but if you were to look
at all of the songs that you'veput out there, which one like
has your heart the most, thenext one that he's going to
write that he's, because it'swhat ever he's kind of doing
(01:04:26):
with me at that moment.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
All my songs are experiences, are encounters, and
so I don't sing about anythingthat I haven't personally
encountered myself.
So I'm always looking forwardto the next thing, the next
encounter I'm going to have,because the song is going to be
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birthed out of that.
And I believe the power is inthe testimony and we can you
know I'm not hear my heart whenI say this the church has become
cover songs, worship leadersdoing cover songs like karaoke,
basically of someone else'stestimony, and I do not believe
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it was ever designed to be thatway, the Lord.
You know, bethel songs arebeautiful and they're wonderful,
but they were given to thosepeople for the fullness of
Christ and the glory of Christto be formed in those people and
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that region and that atmosphere.
They were not meant to beduplicated.
Even Jesus healed everybodydifferently every time because
he doesn't want us to make asystem out of everything.
And when we go, here are thesongs of our generation and they
come out of one generation andthey come out of one group.
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Bethel didn't do that.
We did that.
They raised up the songs, butthey never.
I'm not saying that it was intheir heart to make everybody
sing their songs.
That would be like me imposingmy testimony over every other
person on this planet, right?
Because songs are meant to betestimonies, because the power
is in the testimony.
So therefore, every when I meetwith churches and with when I,
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when I mentor worship leaders,I'm always encouraging them go
up, get your own sound, your ownsong, release your own sound,
because that is what God isdoing, not only in you but in
this region.
Your songs are meant to changethis region because that's why
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they have local government,because the government is not
just one federal government overevery little city.
It's meant to be localized, todeal with the things that are
specific to your body in thatarea, right In that region.
And it may be totally different, it may be a different sound, a
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different frequency than whatGod is doing in California or in
Reading, in Bethel.
So they're not bad.
I'm not against anything, but Iam for what the Father wants to
do in regions, but he can't,because people don't believe
(01:07:38):
that they can go up face to faceand see what the father is
saying and do what the father,see what the father is doing and
say what the father is saying.
But they can.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
So release your sound , release your sound, release
your sound.
Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
That's what I've been saying to people, for you know,
as a coach one of my, one of myI guess it might sound kind of
cheesy, but to learn yourcalling and to roar with your
voice and for years sayingrelease your unique sound.
Like you can't be a duplicateof somebody else, like we can't,
we can't try to duplicatesomebody else.
(01:08:17):
We might get ideas fromsomebody, yeah, but we, like I,
just my, my overarching messageis like it has to be different.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
You have.
That's right.
It has to be yours because youare a unique facet of the
father's nature.
You are expressed.
You are a song that he sangover you Zephaniah 318, 316.
Sorry, zephan, song that hesang over you.
Zephaniah 316, zephaniah, hesings over you.
What he is singing over you arethe set of frequencies that
form your song as you arereleased into this realm.
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They are the undergirding, thesoundtrack to your life.
They are uniquely who you are,based on the sum of the thoughts
of the Trinity over you.
And so, even though we are allmeant to be formed in the image
(01:09:16):
of Christ that is our truenature there is a unique facet
of Yahweh that he wants toexpress only through you.
It's like when you have yourown children yes, they have your
DNA, but they carry somethingof you and your spouse.
(01:09:38):
So they carry the mixture andthey carry unique facets of that
, but they are not you, right?
They are of your seed, justlike we are of the seed of the
father, but we are not thefather.
You can never be greater thanthe one that created you.
So this is not about puttingyourself on the level with
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Christ and exalt or exaltingyourself above him.
This is not what that is.
This is he.
You are the sum of the thoughtsof the Trinity when they
created you and released youinto this realm, and they had a
specific order of those thoughts, a binary code of ones and
(01:10:24):
zeros.
And when I say that here in myheart, I'm saying one being
Aleph and zero being potential.
That's a binary code, right,and we are a unique combination,
a unique order of their natureto be expressed in this realm.
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So you have a unique sound, the,the way you know, the way that
the lord taught me this was hetook me in the spirit, he took
me to, uh, all the tribes andthe instruments and tribes and
nations, and he said he showedme how he created them uniquely,
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with their own sounds, theirown dances, their own um
paintings, their own paintings,their own expression of art on
their bodies and their owninstruments for them for that
region.
Yes, they were hijacked.
Yes, witchcraft came involved.
Yes, they were corrupted, buteverything has been, after the
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fall, right.
But he is now taking back andreturning to all tribes and all
nations the original intentionthat he sang over them, the
original song that he sang overtheir region, the original, the
sound that came out of thoseinstruments.
They're all being restored backto their original intent and
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often when I go into a place andI engage in the spirit, first I
hear.
I go up and I hear the song ofthe land and the sounds and
frequencies that the originalsong that was sung over that
land, that was sung over thatland.
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And I'll ask the Lord justrelease that portion of the land
or the portion of the songthrough me so that I can help
call this land and its peopleback into remembrance of their
original estate.
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
That's incredible.
I mean, I'm just blown away byjust the depth of who you are.
Oh, thank you of who you areand being willing to fully
(01:12:55):
release it to the world.
I think it's very rare.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Oh, thank you, and so are you, and I'm grateful for
what you are doing, and if youever want to talk again, I would
be happy to come back and dothat again.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yes, well, as we wrap up, I, at the end of every show
, I like to ask my guests tojust get a vision for the one
who's listening in today.
Is there anything else that youwould like to speak over?
Usually her, and then would youjust pray over her today.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yes, Lord, I just ask that you would restore your
perfect order of faith, hope andlove in everyone that's
listening today, and theencouragement that faith doesn't
have to be drummed up, thatit's not our faith that we're
standing on.
(01:13:54):
It's your faith, Jesus on.
It's your faith, Jesus.
It's your faith.
That is the structure, thefoundation that we stand on.
We don't even have to summon upour own faith, because even
that would be in our ownstrength.
So we build, we ask you to buildupon faith into the pattern of
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hope, which is like thescaffolding that's built upon
the land, the structure,foundation of faith into love,
which becomes the house.
So I ask I speak that patternover everyone listening faith
(01:14:40):
begetting hope, begetting love,that they would release fear and
that they would begin to standon your faith as their
foundation, your nature as theirfoundation, your goodness.
I release love, light, spiritand fire into each one listening
and I just bless Kristen and Icall forth her scroll and her
(01:15:08):
assignment into its fullexpression, and I thank you for
the scroll that you have givenher and her heart, the part of
her, of your heart that shecarries in her desire to
encourage and release othersinto their own destiny, and I
(01:15:30):
just release blessing toeveryone and I thank you for
this beautiful time relationallythat we can entangle together
in your nature and your name, InJesus name Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Amen.
Thank you so much.
I would love to have you backagain Anytime.
I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse for Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So thank you for being a bravevoice that's setting others free
(01:16:07):
.
Is there anything coming up foryou that you just want to share
before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Well, if anyone is looking for my music, it is on
YouTube pretty much exclusively.
I my music.
It is on YouTube pretty muchexclusively.
I give everything away for freeon YouTube which is Laura C Cat
Worship on YouTube.
Or you can just Google Laura Cat this point and a bunch of
stuff will come up.
And I have a website,lauracmusiccom.
(01:16:35):
Have a website lauracmusiccom?
Yeah, so everything is prettymuch available to be given away
and I just hope that you'reblessed by it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
And I will have all of her information in the show
notes.
You can easily go find her.
So thank you again.
I am so blessed to have you onhere today.
I know that so many are justgoing to be so blessed for your
music through your voice,everything you've shared here
today.
So I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye, listeners.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
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ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Laura C to the show.
I am so thrilled to have herhere with us today.
(01:00):
I actually came across her afew years ago.
I was running a group coachingexperience and one of my clients
actually shared one of hersongs called Soar, and for those
of you who know me, you know Ilove Eagles and I listened to
the song and it was just.
It was everything.
It took me to a whole otherplace.
So, laura, would you be open tosharing a little bit about
(01:22):
yourself and then we'll get intoit.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sure Um.
Thank you, kristen, for havingme on first of all, and what
specifically would you beinterested in?
Because, girl, I could go likeall the way back and do my old
testimony.
So, what?
What are you feeling like theLord is wanting to highlight?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, for you you know, everybody who comes on
there's an element of ourtestimony that what are you
feeling like the Lord is wantingto highlight today For you,
everybody who comes on, there'san element of our testimony that
really ushers us into where weare today.
So if you think back to thatplace, I think of you as this
beautiful, pioneering, creativewho's out there musically doing
(02:05):
things very different.
So what, like, bring us back tomaybe a time in your life that
has ushered you into this place.
And, you know, is there a partof your testimony that you
believe would really help unlocksomebody in their own life and
bring hope to them?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Sure, okay.
So what came to me when yousaid that?
Because the title of yourpodcast has to do with hope Um I
w.
I remember being 40 years oldand sitting in my living room um
drinking red wine out of acoffee cup at like 8.
(02:43):
Am, after my little kids hadgone to school, and thinking,
for the first time ever, feelinghopeless, like all my firsts
were done my first record deal,my first publishing deal, my
first child, my first marriage.
Like I was, I didn't haveanything to look forward to and
(03:12):
coming from being adopted andthe generational line that I
came from, that devaluedchildren and I was one of seven
that was that was birthed andgiven away.
So I didn't even value at thattime the beautiful job of
(03:32):
mothering the way that Godwanted me to.
So I just remember feelingabsolutely hopeless, and if you
(04:08):
would have told me that myministry, my greatest joy, would
have started after my 40s, Iwould have absolutely told you
were crazy, because I've alwaysbeen intuitive, I've always been
connected to Holy Spirit, I'venever felt alone, and the fact
that I didn't see that onecoming was really huge for me.
So so I guess one of thegreatest messages that I have is
for those who are in thatsituation later in their life
maybe and who have thought thatall the exciting good years have
(04:33):
kind of passed them by.
And I definitely, I definitelywant to encourage those that you
can be in your later years andfeel literally like a child in
the best way, not childish butchildlike, where you're excited
about everything that God'sdoing, where things are opening
(04:56):
up to you like they never dideven in your younger years,
where you're soaring in yourgifting and in your assignment
and scroll on this planet andyou're having more intimate
face-to-face encounters with theliving god than you ever even
(05:17):
believe possible.
So that's kind of um, I guess,where I would love to just
encourage someone, right now.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So, if you like, if you go back, you said after 40,
you know you're, you're outthere releasing this.
I would say just, I don't evenknow how to explain your music.
I'm going to ask you morequestions about it.
Were you music, like musical,as a child?
Were you in that space?
Did you know that you had thesegiftings within you?
(05:51):
Like, what did that look like?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yes, so I've known from literally four years old
what my assignment was on theplanet.
I knew that it was to write andrelease music um from the most
intimate place.
So music started out very young.
I started writing at four andit became my therapy and I was I
(06:18):
don't want to use, I was beingmolded by uh the Lord and
prepared maybe to have my firstlike Christian record deal.
I was kept very at like 18.
So I was kept very pure in thesense that I didn't listen to
(06:38):
music on the radio.
I didn't know pop music, Ididn't.
I really used music ascommunication and as therapy and
as intimacy from a very youngage.
I also was my adopted mother,was a speaker at women's
(06:59):
conferences and singer and I washer company accompaniment.
So it's crazy because I'mliterally doing now what she did
then.
So um, so, so, yes, I was grewvery young.
So I got a Christian recordsituation when I was like 18 and
pulled out of college and Imoved down to Los Angeles and it
(07:22):
imploded through some.
They were very well-knownChristian um producers and uh
executives.
But what happened is they madesome poor decisions and I had
never, ever encountered any kindof scenario like this any kind
(07:45):
of like, especially Christiansbeing um.
It was traumatic for me becauseI trusted them, I associated
them with God and and that wasmy own you know place that I was
at in my immaturity, and so Ifreaked out.
I went back to my hometown inNorthern California and I made a
(08:11):
vow and we need to be really,really conscious of the vows
that we make with our words andour heart, because all of heaven
and all of all of the all ofthe heavens, the ones above and
the ones below, are alllistening to our words and they
(08:34):
are acting upon them.
And I made a vow that I wouldnever get screwed over like that
again, and so I was going tolearn everything I could about
the other side of the musicbusiness, the secular side, to
arm myself and protect myself.
So, instead of relying rememberI was 18, instead of knowing how
(08:55):
to rely on the father toprotect me, which he did in
spite of me, I ended up working,going down to LA when I was 20
and working for the biggest likerecord producer, songwriter at
the time, and so I was throwninto and I didn't step.
I didn't step in a church for10 years, my entire 20s I never
(09:19):
stepped in a church because Imade a vow, so I was thrown into
the record business, theHollywood entertainment scene,
like right straight to the topand worked with all the greats.
But the crazy thing was isbecause I never listened to
music and I didn't know who anyof these were, who any of these
(09:49):
were, I was invited in becauseprobably because I wasn't a fan
I was invited in to the innercircle very quickly and really
by some of the top songwritersand producers, just really taken
under their wing, and so Ilearned a lot about the business
side of music.
Then at the end of my 20s I gota music publishing deal, a
(10:15):
secular music publishing deal onmy own, and then I met my
husband and said thank you forthe money and I'm going to New
York and I'm going to dowhatever I want to do.
I'll write with some people.
But I fell in love my husband,who is a advertising executive
(10:37):
and we moved from LA to New Yorkand then I began to live that
life and have children and I didhave some success as a
songwriter under a differentname and I had songs in covered
by artists and also in film andTV.
But I just spent the nextseveral years raising children
(11:03):
and didn't touch music at all.
So so that's kind of like I hadthe best of both like, but I
definitely returned uh, becauseI was suppressing and maybe a
lot of people can relate to thispart because I had so
(11:25):
suppressed and made vows aboutmy relationship with God and my
calling I had stuffed them down.
So we all know that that leadsto like major dysfunction, right
, and so I had issues, seriousissues, with addiction and with
(11:48):
alcoholism, and to get to thatpoint, at age 40, when I was
sitting in that room with acoffee cup of wine, I ended up
having.
I ended up driving in ablackout with my kids in the car
.
I ended up driving in ablackout with my kids in the car
, and I ended up going at thatexact time into a 12-step
(12:16):
program.
And so that's when the Lord Ifinally began, during that year,
the first year that I was in 12step recovery, I finally made
space again for him to begin tostir that up in me and begin to
speak to me and begin.
I had humbled myself a lot, andso you know, there are there
(12:41):
are so many beautiful cycles inlife of of that create the
balance of contraction andexpansion.
And you know the womb processand birthing and pain and growth
.
I was always so pain averse thatpart of my hopelessness was I
(13:11):
had, through my time in LA.
I had definitely linkedtogether pain with failure and
pain with fear and pain with notbeing a good Christian, instead
of understanding that these arecycles that we need to go
(13:32):
through and that pain is adoorway into something greater.
If you allow it to be, you getto choose, because God won't
override your free will.
So all the other times whenthere was pain, I would choose.
I didn't know that it could bea doorway.
(13:54):
Let's put it that way was thefirst time that I was kind of
forced to see that I couldeither choose the door of growth
and new life and and um, newchoices, or I could choose to go
(14:18):
backwards and so so everythingreally changed when I humbled
myself and the pain of stayingwhere I was was greater than the
fear of the unknown you had arock bottom moment but did like
tangibly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
can you share with us like emotionally, like what,
what happened?
Was there a specific day thatyou can remember that you were
just like I.
I can't live like this anymore.
Um, I have my own story ofbeing saved from addiction as
(14:58):
well, and I remember and I feellike there's somebody who might
be even in this place right now,today, and they, they just want
to hear like like that's whatI'm feeling too.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, well, knowing that I was feeling hopeless and
having wine at 8 am in themorning was a dark place to
actually see.
I observed myself doing thatbecause I was able to pull back.
The Lord opened that up.
But driving in the blackout,waking up in the morning and
(15:34):
seeing groceries and not knowing, not remembering me getting
them, and then my husband sayingwhat do you mean?
You don't remember.
We drove home from the Biblestudy party together and went to
the grocery store and I droveand I didn't remember any of it,
(15:58):
so much of my children's.
You know my children's lifebecause I was with my.
I was having migraines and wassick and hung over in the
afternoon when they came homeand from school.
And just those moments when ofclarity they call it clarity but
(16:22):
the truth is, is God was reallypulling me back so I could
observe, cause when you're in ityou can't observe or see
yourself objectively and thosewere definitely moments where I
was like I was created for morethan this.
And.
But that, had that wouldn'thave risen up in me in a pure
(16:44):
way instead of a rebellious,prideful way.
It wouldn't have risen up in mein a clear way unless the Lord
had really allowed me to go downto the valley of the shadow of
death.
So I'm eternally grateful forthat.
And another thing I think thatpeople often get confused by
(17:08):
later in my story I had massivesupernatural sovereign
encounters where I was taken inthe spirit for 48 hours and I
was incredibly changed.
Like almost what people?
It's funny because I didn'thave an NDE near-death
experience.
But when I listen to people'snear-death experiences, they're
(17:31):
extremely.
They're almost identical towhat happened to me, but I was
taken for 48, in the natural, Iwas laid out for 48 hours.
So but what happens is when wehave these cycles and we get
radically healed or radicallychanged, we don't understand
(17:51):
that this is spirit school, likewe don't see the big picture
and so we don't know that we'rereally in school.
And so what will happen,especially with addiction?
Like, let's say, you have atrigger come back up and you
succumb to it and you go intomassive condemnation because you
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you feel that if you were trulyhealed you wouldn't have even
had that come back up.
So I would love to encouragepeople that, like in school,
when you're given new revelationand understanding or knowledge
on something, you're going to betested, and to not internalize
(18:41):
the test, like when we're inschool, we don't go wait, I'm
having a test, oh no, that mustmean I, I failed.
Right, you know what I mean.
Like before the year, eventaking the test as even as being
offended by even given a test,right?
So even Jesus was taken intothe wilderness and tempted.
(19:01):
So it's part of the maturingprocess, it's part of the steps
that we can't skip in theprocess.
And just because you're tempteddoes not mean and tested does
not mean that you failed.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Amen, say that again.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Just because you're tested didn't mean that you did
something wrong.
It just means you're taking thetest.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, Like those are some keys for somebody listening
in.
Today I know for myself andeven in my own story you know,
there's been kind of these shamecycles that will come in along
the journey that will try tokeep you bound, because you have
those moments where maybe youquote, unquote, failed the test.
But, like you said, there's,there's such a, it's such a
(19:50):
process, like life is such aprocess, and I don't know about
you, but there's been.
You know places in my life, inmy own heart, in my own journey
that you kind of want to snapyour fingers and just you know,
can we just get through thispretty quickly?
And there, it's not.
It's not this microwave.
You know healing process allthe time.
(20:10):
You know, for me I wasradically delivered of addiction
.
It was like that quit drugs,quit alcohol, quit smoking.
But it's not like that foreverybody, Right.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Absolutely and it it for everybody, Right, Absolutely
and it it.
That's not even the processthat kind of you're still going
to have to mature in.
So God will use whatever heneeds to use in your life to
mature, to mature you into themeasure, the full measure of
Christ, because Christ in us,the hope of glory, us being
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formed into his likeness and hisnature, is the journey.
So he will use what, absolutelywhatever he needs to use.
And if we think that healing isone and done, then then we're
(21:09):
missing the whole point, becauseit the journey, is the story,
the journey is the testimony.
And even if you get radicallydelivered from or you receive
wholeness in one area, trust andbelieve, you're going to have
other areas that you're stillgoing to have to mature in.
And that's okay, it's all okay.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So good Can I?
Did you have I know you didlike 12 step.
I feel like we're just kind ofstopped here for a second.
Did you have like supportiveyou know your husband?
Did you have people that werelike supporting you through your
journey, as you were healingand going through your own
process?
What did that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, I did the 12 step thing only for the first
year and I, even to this day, ifsomeone is in crisis with
addiction, I would wreck.
I still recommend a 12 stepprogram in the beginning for
them.
The problem was, is I?
(22:11):
It became my identity because Ididn't know my identity,
identity outside of that.
And here's the thing I uh got ahuge download for a wreck, my
first record during that period,during that year, and I
produced an album that was 12steps, 12 songs.
(22:31):
It's called the Gift ofBrokenness and I used a Grammy
winning producer and the thingis is the Lord flung the gates
wide open for me to begin toshare that record.
So I was on the Today Show twiceand traveled all over the
country.
I did not know that there is awhole circuit out there of
(22:56):
12-step music, of people thatare doing music related to their
recovery, which I calledrecovery music.
Um and so, for for a year and ahalf or two years I was
traveling all around the countrybeing part of these festivals
and and events, right, and a lotof people were getting a lot of
(23:19):
healing because there thereweren't a lot of albums out
there at that time.
In fact, I was told by thePrism Awards out in Hollywood
that I was the first one thatdid an entire album dedicated to
recovery.
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No idea.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, I called it recovery music, anyway, but what
happened is I didn't have, Ihadn't matured.
So the anointing, as we know,our anointings, are
non-repentant, like they reignon the just and the unjust.
We all have anointings forsomething, and anointings have
nothing to do with character,they're just a gift and your
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character still has to bedeveloped.
A gift and your character stillhas to be developed.
So, because I hadn't dealt withmy 10 years in Hollywood and
the platforms inside of me, um,and the desire to be, you know,
famous, or all that stuff thatyou get in Hollywood, you get
(24:22):
baptized into, I hadn't reallydealt with all that.
And so somebody from Hollywoodoffered me a deal to manage me,
saying, yeah, you're thinkingtoo small with this recovery
thing.
And, by the way, when I was inthe flow of my assignment, the
Lord was my manager.
He opened every door and it wasseamless, it was like literally
(24:47):
threw me out there and made allthese crazy, incredible things
happen.
But I hadn't dealt with mystuff.
And so this manager came andsaid I'm going to do this, this,
this, and that it was just likethe enemy offering me to sell
my soul.
And I went this sounds fun.
(25:08):
And so the second, I signed thepaperwork, um, the Lord just
shut the door on the entirething and that's yeah, he shut
the door.
And then, of course, I wentinto a really dark place, um,
where he began to deal with me,on my heart and some of the
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trading platforms, um, some ofthe exchanges that I'd done, of
what I've given over, um ofmyself in order to gain
something that that was outsideof what the Lord had already
done.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, absolutely it's .
It's that you know we weretalking a little bit before we
got started.
It's that you know theobedience that we.
It's it's either his yes orit's like I used to call it,
it's his great or my good.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And we have these choices where it's like a best
yes or a best no, and we arewe're constantly faced with
choices every day, right?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But there are some bigger moments in our life that
we, um.
We are offered things that maymay look like they're sparkly
and the treasure, um, but you'veencountered some of these times
that really have been.
It's a counterfeit right.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's absolutely the counterfeit and I needed to deal
with some of those things haveto come up.
So so many times we, we thinkShalom, which means wholeness,
which is pretty much like myassignment is to engage and
(27:00):
teach and explore the words, theword shalom.
So people think shalom meanspeace, but it really means
wholeness, like the fullness ofChrist formed in us and the
ability to govern over our owninternal chaos and to have
(27:21):
Christ walk on our water Becausewe are with, you know, with our
cells and plasma.
We are about 99% water.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
So um, or high nineties, so anyway, um, um.
I forgot what you, I forgotwhat you were asking me.
I was going off on a tangent.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, it's good.
Um, so where you know where youhad these these times, where it
was just the it's a, you knowthe counterfeit that we were
drawn into right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, you, you were saying how we have to have those
, we have to have these momentsthat we're coming face to face
with ourself right, yeah, so Ireally feel like, if we're
honest with ourselves, most ofus are seeking what I would call
, like in quotes, nondisturbance.
(28:13):
We're seeking to return to thatwomb place where we feel really
safe, where we feel totallynurtured and where all our needs
are met.
But every baby has to bebirthed at some point.
And the problem is is we, wecan do that, we can surround
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ourselves, we can stay in a womb, we can create, we create every
with our thoughts, our words,we're always creating, so we can
create a universe where we dealwith no one, where we never get
hurt.
We, we can, you know, we cancocoon ourselves if we want to,
but you're going to stay aninfant and you're never going to
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be born and you're never goingto be revealed.
So the cycle is always hidden,revealed, hidden, revealed.
And those are the.
That's the cycle that we haveto choose to engage with in
order to mature and to grow andto become more like Christ, and
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to grow and to become more likeChrist.
And the problem is is we want,we don't mind the hidden and we
love the revealed, but we don'twant the birthing process, right
?
You?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
just completely put into words so much of what I
explained to people, but you didit so eloquently.
Oh, that's awesome.
Butterflies have really been abig thing for me over the years,
just their transformationprocess.
Like yeah, start out as a littlecrawling creature, go into the
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cocoon for a while.
I love just their process.
I've seen it like this lastyear there was four cocoons
right outside my window here towatch their process and I think
of like how, I think of howpainful it is to become glop
goop, whatever it is.
There you go, the meltdown.
Yeah, it's like it's thiscomplete refining process and
(30:16):
then they come out and they,they're beautiful, they can soar
, and I've said over the years,especially these, I don't know
about you, but I'm 47.
So I would say since I turned40, it's been in and out of the
cocoon.
I'm like, oh, going back intothe cocoon again.
(30:38):
But we don't stay there and I'veseen so many people that, like
you said, want to stay in thesafe place.
They want to just stay safe andnot step out and do the thing
that, you know, maybe God'scalling them to do or to be and
become because it is safe.
It's.
We're not called to be safe.
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Safe it's, we're not called tobe safe.
Um, as you know, people havecalled me like a spiritual
midwife.
There is this birthing processwe have to push painful, like
having kids is painful.
It is painful and, um, you know, I I think of these moments
that we, we have a choice and weget to push, we get to have him
(31:21):
.
You know, he's given us thingsto birth, yes, but there's going
to be pain in that process.
So thank you for likeeloquently.
Do you have a song about this?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Pretty much every one of my songs is about this
journey of the soul and thetransformation, journey of of
the soul and the transformation.
Because, um, you know what Ilove about the fire of God when
it says that he is a consumingfire.
Um, well, we instinctively fearfire, right, but the truth is,
fire never destroys, it onlychanges the composition of
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something.
Right, because energy neverdisappears, it just changes form
.
And so when we're in, like I,have learned to welcome the fire
, to engage him as the consumingfire, because all fire does is
burn away that which is carnal,which is not of him.
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And if you learn to embrace thefire, I actually do have a song
called I won't fight the fire,and it's literally about running
toward that which we, in whichour carnal nature, fears.
But we absolutely need therefiner's fire, and it's never
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the reason we fear.
It is because we don'tunderstand the true nature of
the father.
We still see him as punitive,as a punisher, and that we
associate fire with punishmentand burning something down,
being destroyed.
But the truth is, is fire, it'spart of his nature, his four,
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the only words that Yahwehhimself uses to describe himself
in scripture are love, light.
In scripture are love, light,spirit and fire.
And so I've been really engagingGod as the consuming fire and
retraining my mind and my heartto move toward him as the fire,
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to welcome the purifying and seeit as his consuming love and
not punishment.
And the more we begin to trainourselves towards his true
nature, then more and more ofthe fear begins to be
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transformed into energy.
That begins to be transformedinto energy that, because fear
is major energetically, fear isa powerful system, right, and so
the more that we can transmutethat fear into something else
because fear's not just going todisappear, it must be
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transmuted by the renewing ofour mind and by his power.
So learning to take that whichI feared and transmute it into
that which I welcome and I knowwill bring him forth, Do you
have, like you know I look atthe last five years in our world
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you know it's a weaponeverywhere, right?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
What does that look like for you to maybe take
something in this world?
I'm just wanting you to give anexample to somebody who's
listening.
Maybe they're living in fear,anxiety like how, how would you
encounter something that maybewould be, you know, in our flesh
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?
Fear producing, how do youtangibly flip the script on that
?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Through relationship with him face to face, through
encounter, through meditation,which is scriptural, through
engaging his true nature beingokay.
So we only do what Jesus didright.
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Okay, so we only do what Jesusdid right.
Jesus always pulled himselfaway and he says I only do what
I see my father doing and saywhat I hear my father saying.
So that is our pattern.
So we only then do, we go andsee because we are in him, so he
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is in us and we are in him.
So anything that he can do andsee, we can do and see.
So when I really believe theBible when it says come up here,
I go up inside of me, right,because he's in me and the
kingdom is within.
So I engage him face to faceand I ask him from his
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perspective, what's happening,what is this?
I pull because everything isabout seeing it from his
perspective and his perspectiveis always 180 degrees different
than our perspective.
And so every time somethinghappens in this world, I ask him
what are you doing, what isthis for?
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And he almost always shows meor he deals with some fear
inside of me.
I take it to him becausewhatever you look at, whatever
you focus on, multiplies.
That's just a principle, that'sa spiritual principle, that's a
uh.
That's a physical principle,right?
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So we know that if you focus onyour depression, you become
more depressed.
If you focus on food, youbecome more hungry.
If whatever you put your focuson draws it to you, that's just
physics and it's a spiritualprinciple.
So that's why it says fix youreyes on him so that he will
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multiply.
And so I always am asking himuntether me.
Because the reason that we getinto fear is because we're
tethered to the world, we'retethered to the news, we're
tethered to politics, we'retethered to systems down here
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that are not even of him.
We come from another kingdom,we come from another realm.
He is our home.
That kingdom is our true natureand our true reality, yet.
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So we need to ask him help me,untether from country you live.
You may have your home in theembassy, you may live in an
embassy in another country, butyou're not from there and you
don't even your rules of conductaren't governed by the country
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that you're in.
You still get to have in anembassy as an ambassador.
You still get to have your home, protocols, rules, customs,
honored and you live by those,even in another country.
Right, that's who we are.
We are ambassadors of heavenand we live from the embassy of
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heaven in this realm that we arein relationship.
The more that that becomes ourreality, the less power that
this has over it.
And Ian Clayton once said if youlook meaning hook your eyes
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into at what's happening in thisworld, you'll get what's
happening to this world.
But if you look what's comingout of heaven, you'll get what's
coming out of heaven.
And I choose to hook and anchorinto what's coming out of
heaven.
That's what I do with music.
That's why my music soundsdifferent, feels different, is
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because I see what I take.
My seat in heaven, where thescripture clearly says I'm
seated in heavenly places.
So before I sing, I engage thatseat.
I hear and see what Yahweh isdoing in heaven, what he's
releasing, what sounds andfrequencies he's releasing into
this realm, and I bring themforth.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You're setting somebody free today.
Amen.
I want to touch on frequenciesbecause, gosh, it must have been
.
I might have been kind of lateto the game.
Some of us are right, I wouldsay probably six or so years ago
I went to see a naturopathbecause I had some things that I
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needed tended to, and also aChristian naturopath.
So she, you know, very HolySpirit led, christian naturopath
.
So she, you know, very holyspirit led, and one of the first
things she said to me um, I'msure you've heard of it before.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
It was whole tones you heard of.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You mean a website well it's frequency like uh
sounds music.
That you okay.
There's a sleep one specificallybut she told me you you really
need to start like tapping intothis, and I was like, oh, I've
never heard of that before.
So when I heard that you had,you know basically what I would
(41:52):
I think you call it as well likeheavenly, frequency, sound this
, this music?
Um, like what?
What did that look like for youto step into that, and could
you explain to people who maybeI don't know, some people have
fear about frequencies?
I think some of these wordshave just become again.
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They've been hijacked by theenemy, so could you go there?
Would you go there?
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Absolutely so.
Um, let's see, frequency isjust energy.
It's, uh, it's just a sonicwave that our ear interprets as
sound.
So, or, but, but everything ismade up of frequency.
Um, I mean, that's justEinstein, tesla.
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So everything is about tuning.
Every thought that we have,every word that we say,
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everything we listen to istuning us to something, right,
it's changing our frequency.
And if people really want tounderstand what sound and
frequency do to our bodies, theyshould check out Dr Massaro,
m-a-s-u-r-o, emoto, e-m-o-t-o,and it's called the study of
sound and its effects in thisrealm, are on on matter, are
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called, is called cymatics, andit's C-Y-M-A-T-I-C-S and it's
just science.
So they basically, when I saidthat we are almost, you know, in
the 90 percentile of water,that we are almost in the 90
percentile of water, water is acarrier of sound, right?
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So we are constantly, if we arethat much water, we are
constantly being tuned.
The sound is going into ourwater, like when you drop a rock
into a pond and you see theripples.
That's happening inside of usand geometric structures are
being formed in our body and the, the, if you, you know,
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chemically everything comes downto the geometric structures
right At the base of all,anatomy, um biology.
So, basically, we areconstantly tuning ourselves to
either the tree of life or thetree of the knowledge of good
and evil, right and it's.
It's interesting because in the12 step program they say
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everything that you do or say orthink is moving you toward a
drink or away from a drink.
Same concept we are being tunedto the mind of Christ.
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Source is the most importantthing, the source being either
the carnal mind or Jesus as thetree of life.
So I am constantly retuningmyself to his frequency through
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what I listen to, through what Iread, through what I hear, in
the spirit engaging him face toface.
His words are tuning me,Scripture is alive.
So scripture is constantlytuning us to truth.
Right, it's living and active,and frequency matters.
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Everything has a frequency, allmatter carries frequency.
So, yes, so my music is, andyou'll know this, because when
you hear a song, it willimmediately make you feel a
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certain way Right.
And, trust me, the enemyunderstands this so well.
He knows how to tune us to thefrequency of chaos, the
frequency of anger, thefrequency of fear, absolutely
knows this.
So he can't create anythingright, he can just duplicate.
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So the Lord also has used music, all through scripture, to like
David with Saul, he used thefrequency, the sound of the
music to tune him to wholeness,to Shalom.
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And it's also no accident thatthe in the lyre, l Y R E, the,
the instrument that David played, was made.
Played was made out of gutstring.
Gut string because the soundand the frequency goes straight
to our gut, to our water, to ouremotions.
So the way the Lord has shownme by taking me into heaven and
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explaining this to me is thatwhat is carried on the frequency
of our voices, of my voice, iswhat is inside me.
So if you study breath, if youstudy the chemistry of breath,
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our DNA is literally released onour breath.
So if my DNA is truly his DNA,because he is in me and I am in
him and I only do what I see himdoing and hear what I hear him
saying, then his frequency, hissound, him doing and hear what I
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hear him saying, then hisfrequency, his sound will be
released on my breath when Ispeak and when I sing and will
go into people's water and willtune them to Christ.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Like my brain is exploding in a good way.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Just the way that you're explaining this.
Again, I think you're going tobe setting somebody free because
again, there's just been such ahijacking in the world.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Different things.
You know, I, I, I do it Like.
There's so much music that Ilistened to.
I definitely stay away fromcertain genres that I maybe used
to listen to before I was abeliever.
I'll just use an example.
I used to listen to Metallicabefore I was a believer, and so
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many moments I'd be listening tothat music I wanted to commit
suicide.
So many moments I'd belistening to that music I wanted
to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yep, that's frequency , because it's carried in the
DNA of well cause cause.
Maybe through them.
At that time they were engagingwith things that caused death.
So death is carried on thesound.
Which is why.
Which is why at a, why at aconcert, the enemy can stir up
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chaos in a crowd.
But remember when I said thathe can only duplicate, so that
means that the Lord can.
Then, in corporate worship, incorporate sound, can stir up
Holy spirit, can stir up theanointing, could bring in the
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glory, because of the sound andthe frequency, everyone joining
with the same source.
It's sometimes it's it'sfrustrating, because I try to
choose my words really carefully, because sometimes a lot of the
people that I speak to don'thaven't yet separated out what
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is the counterfeit and what isthe original.
So they will accuse me of beingnew age, or they will accuse me
of being new age, or they willaccuse me of being in the occult
.
And the truth is is the Lordhas really shown me the original
that comes from him, that theenemy is stolen, that he is now
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trying to take back because itbelongs to him.
So there are so many principlesand technologies and words that
the occult took because,remember, it rains on the just
and the unjust.
When God releases something outof heaven, he doesn't only drop
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it into a Christian's heart.
He releases it out of heavenand whoever pulls it down will
receive it if they're open.
Does that make sense?
So, and and a lot of the church?
He told me himself the Lordsaid I released things out of
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heaven that the church rejectedout of fear, but I am taking
them back because they belong tome.
So I'm still in that kind ofpart of the journey of where
we're at as a corporate body, aspeople, where we're still in
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that transition where peoplestill are fearful of things that
I might be saying, because theystill see that only as the
counterfeit or new age.
But I promise you do theresearch.
It always belongs to originallyto the Lord.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Well, that's you know .
That's part of why I feel hehad me to reach out to you is to
help bring you know, awarenessand wisdom and knowledge to
people who maybe don't havepeople in their life that are
speaking truth.
They're, they're in maybe acorporate body that doesn't go
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there because a lot of peopledon't go there in in many ways.
So I, I again, I believe thatthis is going to open up, you
know, ears and eyes to truth andthey can go, you know, take it
to the Lord you know your list.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Take it back to the.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Lord, you know your list.
Take it back to the Lord.
I mean, that's always my whenI'm coaching people like I might
have a prophetic word for you.
But take it back to the Lord,you know.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Can I just say one thing that Holy Spirit told me
which, which when I because Iwrote this song, your word Out
of Heaven, and I was so offendedwhen the Lord dropped that into
my spirit, I said I am notwriting this, I am not a word
out of heaven, you're the word.
And he said Laura.
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He said, don't get it twisted,you are not the word, but you
are a word.
You are made in my image.
You are made in the image ofChrist.
It's scripture.
I'm sorry, you are made in myimage, so you are not the word,
but we are a word out of heaven.
So Holy Spirit said to me atsome point you have to trust me,
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holy Spirit, more than you feardeception.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Say that again.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
At some point we have to trust Holy Spirit more than
we fear deception.
We are either in relationshipthe kingdom is either within us
or it's not and we can't givemore weight and honor to
deception than we do to HolySpirit.
So only with Holy Spirit can weunpack through the word what is
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true and what is not.
But you, I love Justin, andAbraham always says you are
powerful to think on your own,to take what I say, take it back
to the Holy Spirit and let himopen it up for you.
Just make that space inside ofyourself to say I am willing to
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entertain this, even though I'vebeen told it's not of you.
Will you show me where you arein this and then like take, take
Holy Spirit's word for it,don't take mine.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, amen.
I mean, right, there it is.
There's a huge key for you guys.
Now you mentioned you've hadmaybe some pushback along the
way.
What has it been like for youto walk that out?
You know I come alongside a lotof women who you know maybe
they're dealing with.
You know people pleasing orfear of man, or you know what
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does it look like for you tokeep going?
Because I see way too manypeople self-aborting their
calling?
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well, I have been kicked out.
I was leading worship at areally large evangelical church
and I was asked to leave.
And you have to have such anauthentic relationship with the
Lord that when somebody tellsyou that you're, that you're not
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what they're looking foranymore, or that they don't
agree with you that thatrelationship is just, no one can
take away a relationship whatreal like.
I have had encounters afterencounter after encounter with
the living God.
No one can take that away fromme.
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And the word has backed upevery single thing that he has
I've seen in the heavenlies.
So at some point you have totrust that reality has to be
more real to you Now.
Yes, you have to be inaccountability.
I'm in, I'm in accountability.
(56:29):
I have people in my life thatspeak into my life that I bounce
things off of, that.
There are um that challenged meand that we, we discover
through the word um, you knowwhat, whether it's real or not,
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I I mean I I'm in accountabilitywith, with many people.
So I'm certainly not off of myown and I don't recommend that
to anyone.
Don't be a lone wolf, don't gooff crazy.
But we have to let go of fearand we also have to go.
We have to say you're taking meon a journey, lord, and there
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may be some times, based on mypast brokenness or generational
brokenness, where I'm a littleoff for a minute.
But you will retune me back totruth and if you stay humble at
the feet of the Lord, whereyou're always willing to be
tuned to truth, I mean, imaginewhen someone's a kid your own
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child is riding a bike and theyfall a few times and you kick
them and say you idiot, you'llnever get to ride a bike again
because you fell down a coupleof times while you were using
your training wheels.
We would never do that to achild, yet we do that to fellow
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brothers and sisters in Christall the time.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And wouldn't you say it's almost more rampant than
it's ever been.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Well, religion is being religion.
The unrighteous real of thesame, the same spirit that Jesus
railed against, is beingdeconstructed and it is coming
down.
So that's just a fact, andwe're seeing it all around us.
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Things are imploding,ministries are imploding.
Anything that was not all thatcan be shaken is being shaken.
Anything that was not built onhim is coming down.
Because it's a system and,thank God, because the current
system that we have of you knowthree fast songs, two slow songs
and you know everything timeddown and the production that
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church has become.
And the production that churchhas become I don't even know
where that came from.
That has to only be in the lastlike hundred years that never,
ever, all through history, neverwas what the church, the body,
looked like, and there's onlyone church and it's the church
in heaven.
So that's the church.
I'm part of Amen.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
What is his heart on that?
What do you sense?
His heart is over the future.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
His heart is the same way.
It is with us.
It's love, and it's actuallylove that is allowing.
It's not punitive, it'srestorative.
His judgments are always untorestoration and mercy always
triumphs over judgment.
So most of what's happeningright now, even though the Lord
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maybe sovereignly put thedominoes in motion, the people,
the things that are beingexposed are things that we did
to ourselves, because we havefree will, and the Lord gave uh,
he gave the government over toAdam.
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Adam gave it away, yeshua,jesus on the cross, gave it back
to us, and the Lord honors that.
I personally don't.
I don't believe.
I believe that free will isresponsible for almost
everything that happens.
The Lord, he's not a masterchess player manipulating us and
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moving pieces around.
He has boundaries, he has rules, because it is a kingdom and
there is order, but he isteaching us how to rule and
reign as sons.
That's scripture, that's thebook of Hebrews.
There's a purpose to all ofthis so that we can rule and
reign as the kings and prieststhat we are in the order of
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Melchizedek Right and as he is,so are we in this world.
So all of this is to teach ushow to become, to step into the
position that he has given us askings and priests.
So we are learning how to judgeand the truth is is according
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to the pattern of Jesus, wecannot judge anything that we
are not willing to die for.
So, yes, we are going to judge,but Jesus established the
pattern because he is our typeand pattern and he died.
He became the high priest anddied.
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That's why he was allowed tojudge, because he loved the
world that he died for our sinsright, and so we therefore
cannot judge anyone that we arenot willing to die for.
So his judgments are righteousand his judgments are are all
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good, but there his justicelooks different than ours.
His justice is unto restoration, and if our heart is not
positioned, if we don't havecompassion for the abuser and
the abused, then we're notseated in his heart.
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Now there are naturalconsequences that have to play
out when someone, when someone,when there's a miscarriage of
justice, but God always judgesunto restoration, and
restoration doesn't always meanthat they get their platform
back, especially in ministry.
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It's like that's a fake, that'sa carnal, man-made platform.
Anyway, if, if Jesus and thedisciples are our pattern, you
know, then they never stood onany platform and had a ministry.
Paul was a tent maker, peterwas a fisherman.
(01:03:09):
It's like go get a job at HomeDepot and do your ministry and
be like Jesus.
There's your ministry and trusthim to provide.
But just because you abusesomeone or had some real public
failure doesn't necessarily meanthat you get your ministry back
, because maybe he never put youthere in the first place.
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But that's not a.
Thus saith the Lord.
That's just a.
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Great, it's, it's a whole, it's a whole topic.
We could, we could come backfor yeah and you asked about his
heart.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I'll tell you his heart is always for both to be
restored back to their originalestate, which is the fullness of
christ, the full measure ofChrist formed in all of us.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I'm thinking like one of your songs is restoration,
right, just just thinking ofthat song, this might be kind of
I know I'm going sideways for asecond, but if you were to look
at all of the songs that you'veput out there, which one like
has your heart the most, thenext one that he's going to
write that he's, because it'swhat ever he's kind of doing
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with me at that moment.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
All my songs are experiences, are encounters, and
so I don't sing about anythingthat I haven't personally
encountered myself.
So I'm always looking forwardto the next thing, the next
encounter I'm going to have,because the song is going to be
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birthed out of that.
And I believe the power is inthe testimony and we can you
know I'm not hear my heart whenI say this the church has become
cover songs, worship leadersdoing cover songs like karaoke,
basically of someone else'stestimony, and I do not believe
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it was ever designed to be thatway, the Lord.
You know, bethel songs arebeautiful and they're wonderful,
but they were given to thosepeople for the fullness of
Christ and the glory of Christto be formed in those people and
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that region and that atmosphere.
They were not meant to beduplicated.
Even Jesus healed everybodydifferently every time because
he doesn't want us to make asystem out of everything.
And when we go, here are thesongs of our generation and they
come out of one generation andthey come out of one group.
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Bethel didn't do that.
We did that.
They raised up the songs, butthey never.
I'm not saying that it was intheir heart to make everybody
sing their songs.
That would be like me imposingmy testimony over every other
person on this planet, right?
Because songs are meant to betestimonies, because the power
is in the testimony.
So therefore, every when I meetwith churches and with when I,
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when I mentor worship leaders,I'm always encouraging them go
up, get your own sound, your ownsong, release your own sound,
because that is what God isdoing, not only in you but in
this region.
Your songs are meant to changethis region because that's why
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they have local government,because the government is not
just one federal government overevery little city.
It's meant to be localized, todeal with the things that are
specific to your body in thatarea, right In that region.
And it may be totally different, it may be a different sound, a
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different frequency than whatGod is doing in California or in
Reading, in Bethel.
So they're not bad.
I'm not against anything, but Iam for what the Father wants to
do in regions, but he can't,because people don't believe
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that they can go up face to faceand see what the father is
saying and do what the father,see what the father is doing and
say what the father is saying.
But they can.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
So release your sound , release your sound, release
your sound.
Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
That's what I've been saying to people, for you know,
as a coach one of my, one of myI guess it might sound kind of
cheesy, but to learn yourcalling and to roar with your
voice and for years sayingrelease your unique sound.
Like you can't be a duplicateof somebody else, like we can't,
we can't try to duplicatesomebody else.
(01:08:17):
We might get ideas fromsomebody, yeah, but we, like I,
just my, my overarching messageis like it has to be different.
Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
You have.
That's right.
It has to be yours because youare a unique facet of the
father's nature.
You are expressed.
You are a song that he sangover you Zephaniah 318, 316.
Sorry, zephan, song that hesang over you.
Zephaniah 316, zephaniah, hesings over you.
What he is singing over you arethe set of frequencies that
form your song as you arereleased into this realm.
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They are the undergirding, thesoundtrack to your life.
They are uniquely who you are,based on the sum of the thoughts
of the Trinity over you.
And so, even though we are allmeant to be formed in the image
(01:09:16):
of Christ that is our truenature there is a unique facet
of Yahweh that he wants toexpress only through you.
It's like when you have yourown children yes, they have your
DNA, but they carry somethingof you and your spouse.
(01:09:38):
So they carry the mixture andthey carry unique facets of that
, but they are not you, right?
They are of your seed, justlike we are of the seed of the
father, but we are not thefather.
You can never be greater thanthe one that created you.
So this is not about puttingyourself on the level with
(01:09:59):
Christ and exalt or exaltingyourself above him.
This is not what that is.
This is he.
You are the sum of the thoughtsof the Trinity when they
created you and released youinto this realm, and they had a
specific order of those thoughts, a binary code of ones and
(01:10:24):
zeros.
And when I say that here in myheart, I'm saying one being
Aleph and zero being potential.
That's a binary code, right,and we are a unique combination,
a unique order of their natureto be expressed in this realm.
(01:10:50):
So you have a unique sound, the,the way you know, the way that
the lord taught me this was hetook me in the spirit, he took
me to, uh, all the tribes andthe instruments and tribes and
nations, and he said he showedme how he created them uniquely,
(01:11:11):
with their own sounds, theirown dances, their own um
paintings, their own paintings,their own expression of art on
their bodies and their owninstruments for them for that
region.
Yes, they were hijacked.
Yes, witchcraft came involved.
Yes, they were corrupted, buteverything has been, after the
(01:11:34):
fall, right.
But he is now taking back andreturning to all tribes and all
nations the original intentionthat he sang over them, the
original song that he sang overtheir region, the original, the
sound that came out of thoseinstruments.
They're all being restored backto their original intent and
(01:11:59):
often when I go into a place andI engage in the spirit, first I
hear.
I go up and I hear the song ofthe land and the sounds and
frequencies that the originalsong that was sung over that
land, that was sung over thatland.
(01:12:23):
And I'll ask the Lord justrelease that portion of the land
or the portion of the songthrough me so that I can help
call this land and its peopleback into remembrance of their
original estate.
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
That's incredible.
I mean, I'm just blown away byjust the depth of who you are.
Oh, thank you of who you areand being willing to fully
(01:12:55):
release it to the world.
I think it's very rare.
Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Oh, thank you, and so are you, and I'm grateful for
what you are doing, and if youever want to talk again, I would
be happy to come back and dothat again.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yes, well, as we wrap up, I, at the end of every show
, I like to ask my guests tojust get a vision for the one
who's listening in today.
Is there anything else that youwould like to speak over?
Usually her, and then would youjust pray over her today.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yes, Lord, I just ask that you would restore your
perfect order of faith, hope andlove in everyone that's
listening today, and theencouragement that faith doesn't
have to be drummed up, thatit's not our faith that we're
standing on.
(01:13:54):
It's your faith, Jesus on.
It's your faith, Jesus.
It's your faith.
That is the structure, thefoundation that we stand on.
We don't even have to summon upour own faith, because even
that would be in our ownstrength.
So we build, we ask you to buildupon faith into the pattern of
(01:14:16):
hope, which is like thescaffolding that's built upon
the land, the structure,foundation of faith into love,
which becomes the house.
So I ask I speak that patternover everyone listening faith
(01:14:40):
begetting hope, begetting love,that they would release fear and
that they would begin to standon your faith as their
foundation, your nature as theirfoundation, your goodness.
I release love, light, spiritand fire into each one listening
and I just bless Kristen and Icall forth her scroll and her
(01:15:08):
assignment into its fullexpression, and I thank you for
the scroll that you have givenher and her heart, the part of
her, of your heart that shecarries in her desire to
encourage and release othersinto their own destiny, and I
(01:15:30):
just release blessing toeveryone and I thank you for
this beautiful time relationallythat we can entangle together
in your nature and your name, InJesus name Amen.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Amen.
Thank you so much.
I would love to have you backagain Anytime.
I'm going to close with ouranchoring verse for Hope,
unlocked it's.
May the God of hope fill youwith all joy and peace and
believing so that, by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So thank you for being a bravevoice that's setting others free
(01:16:07):
.
Is there anything coming up foryou that you just want to share
before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Well, if anyone is looking for my music, it is on
YouTube pretty much exclusively.
I my music.
It is on YouTube pretty muchexclusively.
I give everything away for freeon YouTube which is Laura C Cat
Worship on YouTube.
Or you can just Google Laura Cat this point and a bunch of
stuff will come up.
And I have a website,lauracmusiccom.
(01:16:35):
Have a website lauracmusiccom?
Yeah, so everything is prettymuch available to be given away
and I just hope that you'reblessed by it.
Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
And I will have all of her information in the show
notes.
You can easily go find her.
So thank you again.
I am so blessed to have you onhere today.
I know that so many are justgoing to be so blessed for your
music through your voice,everything you've shared here
today.
So I will be back with anotherepisode next week.
Bye, listeners.
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