April 3, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode of Hope Unlocked, Kristin Kurtz is joined by Heather O’Brien, as they dive into healing through God's voice. Heather shares her powerful journey of transformation, from battling anxiety and depression to becoming a deliverance minister. She discusses how hearing God's voice and journaling played a significant role in her healing, both emotionally and physically, including her experience with supernatural weight loss. Heather emphasizes the importance of surrendering to God, believing in His healing, and the power of speaking truth over oneself. Tune in for a conversation filled with hope, deliverance, and faith-filled encouragement.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Heather O'Brien to theshow.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have herhere today.
We are new friends and we metthrough Jenny Lee Samuel.
She happened to be doing atraining in the group and I was
like I need to know this girl.
So we've become fast friendsand so blessed to have hopped on
a webinar slash training thatshe was doing Heather was doing
(01:20):
last week, kind of hopped onspontaneously and found that
what she carries is actuallywhat I need in this season.
So I now can call her, one ofmy beautiful coaches who's
helping me through some things,as I'm really walking through
the fire in this season, so I'mso thankful for her.
Beyond that, heather, would youjust share a little bit about
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yourself for her?
Beyond that Heather?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
would you just share a little bit about yourself?
Oh, what a warm welcome.
I'm so honored to get to meetyou and I love how we just God
just divinely connects usthrough other people, and you
said that's kind of your storytoo, so that's really cool.
I okay, a little bit about me.
I'm a boy mom.
I've got three boys.
I've been married for I think22 years and I'm gonna count it
(02:09):
as a background, but don'treally, I mean I do that I use
that as because I am a businessowner now, but I I stopped to
homeschool my kids and startministering to other Christians
about I don't know seven, sevenor 10 years ago, probably closer
to 10 years now.
And yeah, so I'm a licensedminister and I help Christians
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heal with God, love it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, how did you go down that road?
What was the catalyst to bringyou down that road?
Because you went from boy mom,homeschooling mom, to minister
and healer right.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's a strange trajectory, huh.
Well, the thing is and maybethis is probably most people's
story is, when you get healed orwhen you learn something, you
want to teach it right.
So I got healed and I, at theat the root of me, I'm a teacher
and I want to be able toreplicate.
And so every which way that Igot healed, I, I, I would ask
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God, well, how'd that work?
How did I do that?
Cause I want to be able to tellsomeone else.
And that turned into the bookwriting.
And I started ministering topeople on my lunch hour when I
was an accountant, and that, youknow, turned into the book
writing.
And I started ministering topeople on my lunch hour when I
was an accountant, and that, youknow, turned into over COVID.
I started staying home with mykids and homeschooling them, and
then it just turned into abusiness, and from there it's
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just really unlocked.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Beautiful, so tell us the name of your business.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So well, my podcast is really the, the funnel, the
top of the face to my business,and it's called the Heal With
God podcast.
I say that because my businessname is not really any.
It's not all over the place, soit's really just my name, or
Heal With God.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love it Well, so Heal With God.
Tell us a little bit more aboutthe name, like obviously it's a
partnership and healing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Tell us a little bit more about that for podcasting,
for online business, and she'sthe one that really it was a
Holy Spirit led moment.
I was telling her you know,I've already written six books
and I helped coach hundreds ofpeople and at this point I don't
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know how to name the thing thatI do and I would tell her all
the things.
I mean, I cast devils out ofpeople, I prophesy, I hear God's
voice to help them get to thenext point.
And she had a Holy Spiritmoment where it was like no, the
name of this is heal with God,which I remember it so clearly.
She said I don't know if thisis God or me, but it's heal with
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God.
And I was like that's God.
I mean, I felt it from head totoe.
When she said, I was likethat's it, that it just
resonated Like that's the thingthat I do.
And really the thing is Icouldn't quite pinpoint exactly
heal with God from what there isno, from what it's, from
anything and everything.
And that's why it was so tricky, because usually in a business
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you need to narrow it down,right, and God didn't want me to
narrow it down.
He's just like no, we're doingthe whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I love it.
Yeah, I love that.
I'll never forget somebodyprophesying over me and saying
Kristen, you are not called tobe narrow, you're not called to
be narrowed down.
When it comes to niching, youhave different.
I even had somebody say youhave different chutes.
You're like the top of themountain.
You can choose which shoot togo down, to be free.
And I think that's at least forme.
(05:47):
In the business realm, or evenin the, you know, christian
kingdom business world training,secular world training, there
is that I would even call it alie that you have to be like
super niche down.
Yeah, somebody saying it's notjust a niche.
(06:08):
Like what if?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
it's the nations Well , even that is, and so I am an
online business coach too, so Itotally get it and it's like but
we don't want to pin you down,we just want you to be able to
speak to your avatar, yes, andbe found right, be searchable,
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be the thing Like I didn't knowwhat I was doing or who I was
doing it for, or anything likethat, and so that's where it's
like okay, no, this is actuallyunlocking my voice when I can
say what I'm doing.
So I help people heal with Godfrom anxiety, depression and
trauma, and that's really kindof encapsulates the healing part
of it.
But that's really broad too.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, I love it.
I mean it really speaks.
You know, when we first talkedI was like I can definitely see
how you know there could be.
You know I could send people toyou that might come to me for
the general coaching.
And that's where it's beautifulin the kingdom.
Like I can't work witheverybody, right, I know when
I'm called to maybe passsomebody on to somebody else who
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can better, you know, care forthem, it's beautiful.
So one of the questions Iwanted to ask was what does it
mean to hear God's voice in ourhealing process?
And then why is that thecornerstone of your ministry?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know.
That's a really like.
It just depends on who you'retalking to.
I could come across veryprideful if I say, did you know
I could hear God?
And for other people are like,yeah, of course.
So it really depends on who I'mtalking to here.
But I didn't know I could hearGod's voice and I actually grew
up a Christian in a Pentecostalchurch and that I don't know if
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that says much about my churchor if that says much about how
much I wasn't really a Christian.
I don't know.
I don't know which directionyou want to go with it, but
somehow I missed the message.
I don't know.
I don't know which directionyou want to go with it, but
somehow I missed the message.
I'm, I missed the memo that hey, did you know you could hear
God?
And so, anyways, you said, whatdoes it mean to hear God?
And I'm like well, it literallymeans I hear God and I some.
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It's in a lot of different waysand it comes in line with
bringing healing to me, becausehis voice brings direction,
conviction and all of the gentlenudges in such a loving way
that it's like, oh yeah, andit's like he's just nudging me
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back on the road and and that'shealing in itself, right,
because if I'm not on the narrowroad then I'm probably not
feeling all my best because I'mthere's going to be some kind of
sin in my life, right?
Like so, anxiety, fears andthings like that.
He nudges us back away fromthat when he taps you on the
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shoulder and says, hey, what areyou worried about?
Why do you have butterflies inyour stomach?
Why are you anxious?
And and I'm like, oh, I'mnervous, but why am I nervous?
I'm not supposed to be nervous.
And any his voice gently remindsme you're making this all about
you, heather.
And I'm like, oh, whoops, therewas too much pride in this,
because this isn't about me.
It is just little things likethat that hearing his voice
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brings healing, because itreally brought.
Like, in that scenario I justgave you, I got delivered from
pride, right, I got deliveredfrom anxiety.
That was stemming from thepride, and I don't know if I
explained that very well in mystory, if I, if that makes sense
at all.
But, sometimes I get nervous,like talking in front of people,
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for instance.
So like, if I'm going to go ona stage and talk in front of a
crowd, I will find myselfnervous.
And that's when God would saythis isn't about you, heather,
and and it was in such a gentleway.
Okay, it sounds kind of meanwhen I say, but I like really,
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he, he knew what I needed tohear, right, that this is about
the message, this is about thepeople receiving the message.
I'm just the one who's has thehonor of delivering it.
And so when I turned the focusoutward instead of inward I
think we talked about navelgazing the other day that's when
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it's like, oh yeah, I've gotanxiety and pride and I'm not
allowed to have that.
So he's nudging me back ontothe narrow road right With his
voice, saying, hey, you'remaking this about you and it was
just the way that I needed tohear it, that it brought and
surety, that oh yeah.
And then you come out and youdon't sound nervous or you don't
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sound anxious, you don't have aquivering voice, right?
Why?
Because it's not about you.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yes.
So I'm curious in that have youhad a lot of like in-person,
speaking engagements since, likerecently, would you say?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, so actually every week, I teach in front of
a class and it's not necessarilya big class, but that is an
opportunity for me to getnervous.
It doesn't matter how big, itis Right, and sometimes it's
more than a week.
Once a week, sometimes it'sthree times a week, I have an
opportunity to speak in front ofa class and even, just like the
(11:36):
other day, I had the webinarright I'm getting online with
people in front of people on mycomputer and that's kind of on a
stage in that sense, and I hadpeople from Ireland, canada,
texas.
To me that's a really big dealand a really big honor and I had
to make it not about me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes, yes, Well, and what's so beautiful is, as I was
watching you last week, I'mlike she is such an anointed
teacher and I would never, andthere was no iota of nervousness
that was coming across thescreen.
I was like this girl's veryconfident and I would never
imagine nervousness.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I actually conquered it right before I got
on film, but it was there, right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, would you say.
I don't remember who it was,but I feel like I've heard many
people who you know say everytime they go up on stage or
every time they're singing at aconcert, you know people who are
up on up on stage or every timethey're singing at a concert.
You know people who are up onstages or in front of people
that maybe have a little bitmore of a you know, maybe would
rather be behind the scenes, butGod's called them forward, type
people.
They say like it hasn'tsubsided, it's gotten better,
(12:50):
but it still is this dependencyon God to show up.
What would you say to that?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, so I can see two parts to that.
Number one.
I did grow in confidencebecause, okay, the very first
step that God led me to was waybefore all the that I just told
you about.
Hey, don't make this about you.
The very first thing he said isyou better prepare, because a
prepared person isn't as anxiousas an unprepared person.
(13:19):
Right, and so a prepared personisn't as anxious as an
unprepared person.
So if I was prepared, that meant, you know, before I got in
front of a class to teach aboutthe Bible, I would pray, I would
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have a lesson typed out that Icould follow, but also that I
had practiced.
I generally, when I firststarted, I would practice in
front of a mirror, I wouldpractice out loud, I would
practice over and over and over,and then, on the way, my
stomach would be in knots, liketerrible, like just unrelenting,
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like it was crazy, like howcould, like.
I know you can't imagine, andmy voice quivered.
Everything that changed slowlyas I learned how to prepare
better and I actuallyexperienced oh, this isn't as
scary as I thought it would be,and I gained some basic skills.
Right, so we do have topractice to gain skills.
(14:21):
But then there was this, thatother, that second element?
I told you that's where it'slike oh yeah, anxiety is a sin
that needs to be part of ourmindset as a follower of Christ
and I think I was just I'vereally just been pondering over
this thought why is anxiety apermissible sin?
(14:45):
Somehow in society there's,there are certain permissible
sins, right, and it's eitherpermissible because people
haven't figured out how to getover it or, uh, they just think
everybody suffers with it, sowe'll always have to suffer with
(15:06):
it, and I just don't believethat that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah Well, go go a little deeper on that.
So you mentioned healing fromanxiety.
Obviously, you know you'veshared a little bit about
speaking and you know what didit look like prior.
You know you weren't hearing oryou you weren't hearing his
voice.
You didn't know that it waspossible.
But possible.
(15:32):
And would you say that therewas an element of well healing
with God in that hearing him Goa little deeper on your
experience with that healing?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, so I guess all of my speaking engagements that
came after I learned how to hearGod's voice.
I guess I should be reallyclear, but I still had anxiety,
you see, and so I still had towalk through that.
There was other things that Iwalked through by hearing God's
voice first, and that would looklike depression.
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That was my first thing, and soI was massively overweight,
like a 100 pounds.
I know you wouldn't look at meand know, but I'm like I
literally lost 100 pounds bylearning how to hear God's voice
.
And I still have lots ofsupernatural weight loss stories
because in my life I've hadthree kids and you know, when
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you have kids, you gain weightand also you get older, your
hormones work differently.
You have to learn how to workyour body differently, and so if
, even recently, the Lord showedme through hearing his voice in
a brand new way, hey, you don'tneed a coach for this, go do
this, it's already in your hand,and that's a really fun story,
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by the way.
But if I go back to the backand that's a really fun story,
by the way, but if I go back tothe back I'm like before I had
speaking engagements and knewhow to hear God's voice.
The very beginning of gettingwalking out of anxiety and
depression and all of the traumastarted by journaling and
actually dreaming.
Like I learned that the dreamsat night that I was having was
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actually God speaking to me andhe started teaching me how to
understand what those dreamsmeant through journaling,
writing it out, and yeah, that'sprobably a whole nother segment
we could talk about, but it'sreally it was a process.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, we'll have to have you back for
that part, cause I feel likepeople are like well, how do we
do that?
I want to.
I want to learn more.
Um, is that in any of yourbooks that you sure?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
it is, uh, one of.
So my.
The second book that I wrote iscalled but how.
But how?
I wasn't really.
I didn't know anything aboutmarketing, by the way, and
that's what turned me intomargins.
Like I wrote a book and Iwanted to get it in people's
hands and I didn't know how,right.
And so then I started a wholejourney of learning how to
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market things, but the name ofthe book was but how, and it's
six different recipes to dodifferent things that I've got
free of.
It was like my journey ofhealing.
Basically it was step one howdo you get free of addictions?
Cause I would go in church andI would listen to a sermon,
especially Wednesday nightthings.
I just remember this over andover and my pastor is amazing,
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but he would say just don't dothis.
And even the scripture saysstop doing this, like stop
cussing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
For instance, just stop it.
And I'd be like, okay, but how?
Like I don't know how topractically stop, cause I want
to stop and it's not stopping.
And I talk about differentaddictions that I had in my book
.
And then I talk about, well,controlling my emotions, Cause I
would have erratic, like angerspouts, and I'm not saying I got
it all figured out, but Godgave me a recipe and I can go
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back to that recipe anytime.
It's like, okay, heather, youneed to go back to your own book
.
And it's like, literallystep-by-step do this, do this,
find out why you're mad, findout why your emotions are the
way that they are.
And I have another chapterabout how do I actually hear
God's voice, and so that's whereI talk about well, this is what
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I did.
I started putting my pen to mypaper and I would write a
question out to God, and then Iwould put my pen down and expect
with faith that he would answermy question and my pen would
start moving and I would know,one word at a time, what to
write.
So that's really how I startedto learn how to hear God's voice
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.
That was my initial process.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Okay, and how many years ago would you say that was
?
That was probably a decade orso ago.
A decade, okay, and since thenare you still doing this
practice daily?
What does that look like foryou?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That's a good question.
So I usually do the writingpart.
When I have dreams at night, Iwrite them down, because that's
stewarding God's voice, and thenI put my pen to the paper and I
pray.
I always pray, god.
I thank you for dreams in thenight and I ask for
interpretations in the day.
And I put my pen to the paperand, by faith, he tells me
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everything he wants to say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So beautiful, so I'm imagining you have many journals
.
I do.
Would you be open to sharingwith us, maybe like one of your
most revelatory dreams andrevelations that he gave you?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
yeah, okay.
So here's a fun one.
Um, okay, and this is actuallyrecent, so don't judge me, but
it's a really fun to me.
I I love that god talks to methrough dreams.
So I had a dream that, um, Iwoke up and my eye felt itchy,
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scratchy, like I was going tohave pink eye, and I was going
to the drawer to go get medicineand instead of putting the
medicine in my eye, I decided toget something and dig stuff out
of my ear and this big ball ofstuff came out of my ear and I
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put it on my hand and I waslooking at it and I was like,
what is this?
Now?
I mean I could go into detail,but the little thing in my hand
turned into a dragon, and that'sin a nutshell dream, right.
So I thought something waswrong with my eye, but I got
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stuff out of my ear and it was adragon.
And here's the interpretation,because and I share this,
because the interpretation is sopowerful, even to me, still
it's.
So I love the imagery, right,you see a dragon just sitting in
your hand and it's looking atyou and I'm like, hmm, and like
it was a dragon with wings,right, and see through and
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anyway.
So the interpretation I don'tknow if you're already getting
it, but it's like there wassomething wrong with my vision.
You see, I couldn't see whatwas ahead of me.
I could, like, my vision wasblurred, literally in my life.
It was blurred because Istarted a new job and I didn't
understand why I got hired, whyI got invited, why who am I, I
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kept saying, and this dragon hadthree feet.
And so in my interpretation,I'm asking the Lord what are
these three feet represent?
And he gives me three questionsthat are being whispered to me
by this demonic force, and thatis what is skewing my eyesight.
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Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, and it's removed .
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Uh-huh, oh yeah.
Well, okay, let me go further.
He showed me what the threethings were and he showed me I
was on vacation in the dream andI literally was like the night
before I had the dream I wasgoing on vacation.
I came back and the day I cameback my eye woke up all sticky,
literally Like this is humanlife.
I literally woke up feelinglike I had pink eye and I was
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like no, god showed me that thiswas going to happen.
But this isn't real.
I don't have pink eye.
I've got something in my earand I already knew the three
things because I had prayedthrough it.
And here's the interesting partI had already prayed through
those three things, and so letme just give you an example.
One of the lies the enemy waswhispering to me was who am I?
And I don't?
We could go back to previously,remember.
We said I'm making it too muchabout me when there's I in the
statement, it's way too muchpride, right?
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And so who am I to get this job?
Well, it's not about me, it'sabout all the people I can serve
.
Obviously I'm qualified, orthey wouldn't have hired me,
right, and I just had to getover myself and all this.
But I had gone through theweekend of praying, through this
Okay, yeah, you're right, god,I don't need to worry about any
of this but that but I stillwoke up with the scratchy eye,
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literally.
And so this devil dragon,whatever it was, wasn't gone in
my life, wasn't gone in my life.
I sat in my closet and I gotmad at the devil and I said out
loud all of the things I am notpartnering with.
This spirit that is telling meto question who I am.
I know my identity.
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I am a child of the King.
I am called and anointed andappointed for this purpose, and
I was, you know.
I just went on and on and myeye quit bothering me.
That's how God heals.
That's how his hearing, hearinghis voice, brings healing right
.
I got saved, healed anddelivered.
We all did.
I got saved from my own selfand all these stupid questions,
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but I got healed in my physicaleye and I got delivered of this
dragon, whatever that waswhispering to me.
Because you have to rememberall these lies that we're
fighting.
They're not always just.
We're not so powerful that wecreate them ourself.
There are spirits around us,and so I am a deliverance
minister too, and I knew how todo it myself, so it worked out
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great with God, but I did haveto say it out loud.
I don't know if I made thatreally clear.
I did it all in my head overthe weekend yeah, yeah, this.
Yeah, you're right, god.
I repented and everything, butit wasn't until I declared it
out loud and spoke truth overmyself with with a violence that
I really got free.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's for somebody.
I mean, could you say that onemore time, Like what did you
have to do to really get free ofthis?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I had to speak out loud the truth of who I was.
Instead, the devil wasquestioning who am I?
And so I had to respond.
I am called, anointed,appointed for such a time as
this.
I am meant for this job.
I am made for this job, Like itit's.
I'm right on time, I'm rightwhere I'm supposed to be.
I had to tell this devil and Ihad to tell my soul right,
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Because sometimes your soulstarts believing the lies and
you, you gotta get.
That's how you get deliveranceright Body, soul, spirit, all
the things.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I could hear
the power in her voice as shewas just declaring that over
herself again today.
So, yes, so, for those who arelistening in today, who just
feel like they're, you know,maybe too broken to be healed,
delivered, set free.
What would you say to themtoday?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I'm so sorry you feel that way.
I remember feeling that way.
I remember feeling like it wasridiculous to even go to the
altar for prayer because I don'teven know what to say and no
one's been there before.
There's no way that they wouldeven know what to do for me.
I'm so broken, I don't evenknow what to say and no one's
been there before.
There's no way that they wouldeven know what to do for me.
I'm so broken I don't even knowwhat to ask for.
I remember that.
(27:06):
And it's not an altar callthat's going to heal you, honey.
It's actually your surrender ofyour brokenness and saying God,
I'm so broken I don't know whatto pray.
Show me what to pray.
God, I'm so broken I don't knowwhat to pray.
Show me what to pray, and thegroaning of the spirit will come
up and out of you.
And I would say this toopartnering with someone who's
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already been there might be thething that you need to do,
because sometimes we can't pullour own self out of the rabbit
hole right.
Sometimes we need other people.
We're not meant to do thisalone, other people, we're not
meant to do this alone.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You don't have to do this alone.
Yeah, that's huge.
And, as we're both coaches, theline that's come for me
sometimes is like, oh, youshould have it all together.
You're a coach, I don't know ifit ever comes for you, but
truly we need people.
I think of Joshua and Caleb andI.
I always have this vision ofthem coaching each other.
(28:02):
See those giants, they're ourtoast like they're our breakfast
.
And you know, in relation towhat you do, tell us a little
bit more.
How somebody could, you know,walk alongside, how you could
walk alongside them and theirjourney alongside, how you could
walk alongside them and theirjourney.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You know I would be honored to do that and I just
want to say like I need a coachtoo.
Like that dragon dream I justtold you about, that literally
was recent and I had peoplearound me for that vacation that
I told the dream to I was, Ifelt comfortable sharing it with
and they were like helping meunderstand it and we had all
(28:40):
these scriptures that came outthrough it.
So it's not like I process thatall alone.
I'm not that I can't, but Ididn't.
You know what I'm saying.
Just because you can doesn'tmean you should.
So if you, if you want to workwith me, if you feel like you
want healing from God, I helpChristians heal and you got to
want to do it with God becauseI'm not a therapist, I'm a
licensed minister Christiansheal and you got to want to do
(29:01):
it with God because I'm not atherapist, I'm a licensed
minister and you know the bestplace to learn more about me is
just jump on the podcast healwith God.
And or you can I'd love tooffer my freebie.
It's called the seven day mentalmakeover challenge and it's
really the basic things that youneed to start to do in your
(29:21):
life so that you can hear God toheal, and it's a challenge For
seven days.
I double dog.
Dare you to do these fivethings and see what your life
looks like at the end?
Now, for those people who haveactually taken me up on the
challenge, they can dramaticallysee a change in their emotional
state in seven days, literally.
So for those who feel like it'snot, you know they're not up
(29:45):
for the challenge and probablythat's just.
That's the first step, and sothat's at heatherobryannet
backslash mental makeoverchallenge, and I'm sure Kristen
will put the link in the shownotes.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Sure will.
Yes, Well, it has been ablessing to have you on.
I want to have you back onagain At the end of every show.
The Lord has called me to dothis Hope Unlocked podcast for
the one.
And if you could, you know orvision of this woman?
Typically, women are listening.
What is something that you'dwant to say over her, and then
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would you pray us out today.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Honey, you're not too broken to be healed.
It's actually not possible.
Jesus died on the cross for you, for your salvation, for your
healing and for your deliverance.
And just as sure as you believeyou're saved, you have to
equally believe that you arehealed and delivered, or can be
right and your salvation is sure.
I'm sure you're thinking.
I'm sure you're thinking that,yeah, I'm going to heaven and so
(30:52):
your salvation, healing anddeliverance is the thing that
Jesus died for.
So I just recommend to you tobelieve by faith that actually,
if I'm saved, I actually amhealed and I actually am
delivered, and Jesus wants thatfor me.
I'm not that special that I'mthe one that he didn't die for
healing and salvation anddeliverance.
No, you're so special that hedied for you, for your healing,
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for your salvation, for yourdeliverance, and he wants you to
have all of that here on earth.
He wants you to have theabundant life here on earth.
You don't have to wait till youget to heaven.
Actually, let's ask heaven toinvade you right now.
So, god, I just thank you forwhat you've done.
I thank you for this divineencounter today that we've had,
and I ask that your Holy Spiritwould just be upon every
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listener right now.
I speak hope over you.
I say arise and shine that youare the one that God is calling,
anointed, appointed for thisseason.
For this reason, you are right,where you're meant to be,
you're on time, you're not lateand you're not behind.
Yeah, you're not behind.
I feel like some of you arethinking you might be behind and
(32:06):
or there's just.
There's no such thing.
The footsteps of the godly areordered of the Lord, and I speak
that over you in the name ofJesus, amen, amen, heather,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Thank you for being a brave voice who's setting
others free.
I'm going to close with hopeunlocked anchoring verse.
It's made the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So I will be sure to putHeather's contact information in
the show notes.
And again, thank you again,heather, for coming on.
(32:35):
Would love to have you back onand I will be back with another
episode next week.
Bye, everybody.
Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast.
I'm your host, kristen Kurtz,and I'm also the founder of New
Wings Coaching.
I help and empower wildheartedand adventurous women of faith
feeling caged and stuck, unlocktheir true purpose and potential
, break free from limitationsand thrive with confidence,
courage and hope.
If you're curious to learn moreabout coaching with me, head to
newwingscoachingnet and be sureto explore the show notes for
(00:38):
ways to connect with me further.
Get ready to dive in as weuncover empowering keys and
insights in this episode.
So tune in and let's unlockhope together.
Welcome to the Hope Unlockedpodcast.
I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host.
I pray this episode is like aholy IV of hope for your soul.
Please help me.
Welcome Heather O'Brien to theshow.
(00:58):
I am so excited to have herhere today.
We are new friends and we metthrough Jenny Lee Samuel.
She happened to be doing atraining in the group and I was
like I need to know this girl.
So we've become fast friendsand so blessed to have hopped on
a webinar slash training thatshe was doing Heather was doing
(01:20):
last week, kind of hopped onspontaneously and found that
what she carries is actuallywhat I need in this season.
So I now can call her, one ofmy beautiful coaches who's
helping me through some things,as I'm really walking through
the fire in this season, so I'mso thankful for her.
Beyond that, heather, would youjust share a little bit about
(01:43):
yourself for her?
Beyond that Heather?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
would you just share a little bit about yourself?
Oh, what a warm welcome.
I'm so honored to get to meetyou and I love how we just God
just divinely connects usthrough other people, and you
said that's kind of your storytoo, so that's really cool.
I okay, a little bit about me.
I'm a boy mom.
I've got three boys.
I've been married for I think22 years and I'm gonna count it
(02:09):
as a background, but don'treally, I mean I do that I use
that as because I am a businessowner now, but I I stopped to
homeschool my kids and startministering to other Christians
about I don't know seven, sevenor 10 years ago, probably closer
to 10 years now.
And yeah, so I'm a licensedminister and I help Christians
(02:32):
heal with God, love it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, how did you go down that road?
What was the catalyst to bringyou down that road?
Because you went from boy mom,homeschooling mom, to minister
and healer right.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That's a strange trajectory, huh.
Well, the thing is and maybethis is probably most people's
story is, when you get healed orwhen you learn something, you
want to teach it right.
So I got healed and I, at theat the root of me, I'm a teacher
and I want to be able toreplicate.
And so every which way that Igot healed, I, I, I would ask
(03:15):
God, well, how'd that work?
How did I do that?
Cause I want to be able to tellsomeone else.
And that turned into the bookwriting.
And I started ministering topeople on my lunch hour when I
was an accountant, and that, youknow, turned into the book
writing.
And I started ministering topeople on my lunch hour when I
was an accountant, and that, youknow, turned into over COVID.
I started staying home with mykids and homeschooling them, and
then it just turned into abusiness, and from there it's
(03:35):
just really unlocked.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Beautiful, so tell us the name of your business.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So well, my podcast is really the, the funnel, the
top of the face to my business,and it's called the Heal With
God podcast.
I say that because my businessname is not really any.
It's not all over the place, soit's really just my name, or
Heal With God.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love it Well, so Heal With God.
Tell us a little bit more aboutthe name, like obviously it's a
partnership and healing.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Tell us a little bit more about that for podcasting,
for online business, and she'sthe one that really it was a
Holy Spirit led moment.
I was telling her you know,I've already written six books
and I helped coach hundreds ofpeople and at this point I don't
(04:34):
know how to name the thing thatI do and I would tell her all
the things.
I mean, I cast devils out ofpeople, I prophesy, I hear God's
voice to help them get to thenext point.
And she had a Holy Spiritmoment where it was like no, the
name of this is heal with God,which I remember it so clearly.
She said I don't know if thisis God or me, but it's heal with
(04:55):
God.
And I was like that's God.
I mean, I felt it from head totoe.
When she said, I was likethat's it, that it just
resonated Like that's the thingthat I do.
And really the thing is Icouldn't quite pinpoint exactly
heal with God from what there isno, from what it's, from
anything and everything.
And that's why it was so tricky, because usually in a business
(05:16):
you need to narrow it down,right, and God didn't want me to
narrow it down.
He's just like no, we're doingthe whole thing.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I love it.
Yeah, I love that.
I'll never forget somebodyprophesying over me and saying
Kristen, you are not called tobe narrow, you're not called to
be narrowed down.
When it comes to niching, youhave different.
I even had somebody say youhave different chutes.
You're like the top of themountain.
You can choose which shoot togo down, to be free.
And I think that's at least forme.
(05:47):
In the business realm, or evenin the, you know, christian
kingdom business world training,secular world training, there
is that I would even call it alie that you have to be like
super niche down.
Yeah, somebody saying it's notjust a niche.
(06:08):
Like what if?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
it's the nations Well , even that is, and so I am an
online business coach too, so Itotally get it and it's like but
we don't want to pin you down,we just want you to be able to
speak to your avatar, yes, andbe found right, be searchable,
(06:32):
be the thing Like I didn't knowwhat I was doing or who I was
doing it for, or anything likethat, and so that's where it's
like okay, no, this is actuallyunlocking my voice when I can
say what I'm doing.
So I help people heal with Godfrom anxiety, depression and
trauma, and that's really kindof encapsulates the healing part
of it.
But that's really broad too.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, I love it.
I mean it really speaks.
You know, when we first talkedI was like I can definitely see
how you know there could be.
You know I could send people toyou that might come to me for
the general coaching.
And that's where it's beautifulin the kingdom.
Like I can't work witheverybody, right, I know when
I'm called to maybe passsomebody on to somebody else who
(07:15):
can better, you know, care forthem, it's beautiful.
So one of the questions Iwanted to ask was what does it
mean to hear God's voice in ourhealing process?
And then why is that thecornerstone of your ministry?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know.
That's a really like.
It just depends on who you'retalking to.
I could come across veryprideful if I say, did you know
I could hear God?
And for other people are like,yeah, of course.
So it really depends on who I'mtalking to here.
But I didn't know I could hearGod's voice and I actually grew
up a Christian in a Pentecostalchurch and that I don't know if
(07:54):
that says much about my churchor if that says much about how
much I wasn't really a Christian.
I don't know.
I don't know which directionyou want to go with it, but
somehow I missed the message.
I don't know.
I don't know which directionyou want to go with it, but
somehow I missed the message.
I'm, I missed the memo that hey, did you know you could hear
God?
And so, anyways, you said, whatdoes it mean to hear God?
And I'm like well, it literallymeans I hear God and I some.
(08:19):
It's in a lot of different waysand it comes in line with
bringing healing to me, becausehis voice brings direction,
conviction and all of the gentlenudges in such a loving way
that it's like, oh yeah, andit's like he's just nudging me
(08:40):
back on the road and and that'shealing in itself, right,
because if I'm not on the narrowroad then I'm probably not
feeling all my best because I'mthere's going to be some kind of
sin in my life, right?
Like so, anxiety, fears andthings like that.
He nudges us back away fromthat when he taps you on the
(09:00):
shoulder and says, hey, what areyou worried about?
Why do you have butterflies inyour stomach?
Why are you anxious?
And and I'm like, oh, I'mnervous, but why am I nervous?
I'm not supposed to be nervous.
And any his voice gently remindsme you're making this all about
you, heather.
And I'm like, oh, whoops, therewas too much pride in this,
because this isn't about me.
It is just little things likethat that hearing his voice
(09:25):
brings healing, because itreally brought.
Like, in that scenario I justgave you, I got delivered from
pride, right, I got deliveredfrom anxiety.
That was stemming from thepride, and I don't know if I
explained that very well in mystory, if I, if that makes sense
at all.
But, sometimes I get nervous,like talking in front of people,
(09:49):
for instance.
So like, if I'm going to go ona stage and talk in front of a
crowd, I will find myselfnervous.
And that's when God would saythis isn't about you, heather,
and and it was in such a gentleway.
Okay, it sounds kind of meanwhen I say, but I like really,
(10:09):
he, he knew what I needed tohear, right, that this is about
the message, this is about thepeople receiving the message.
I'm just the one who's has thehonor of delivering it.
And so when I turned the focusoutward instead of inward I
think we talked about navelgazing the other day that's when
(10:32):
it's like, oh yeah, I've gotanxiety and pride and I'm not
allowed to have that.
So he's nudging me back ontothe narrow road right With his
voice, saying, hey, you'remaking this about you and it was
just the way that I needed tohear it, that it brought and
surety, that oh yeah.
And then you come out and youdon't sound nervous or you don't
(10:53):
sound anxious, you don't have aquivering voice, right?
Why?
Because it's not about you.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yes.
So I'm curious in that have youhad a lot of like in-person,
speaking engagements since, likerecently, would you say?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Okay, so actually every week, I teach in front of
a class and it's not necessarilya big class, but that is an
opportunity for me to getnervous.
It doesn't matter how big, itis Right, and sometimes it's
more than a week.
Once a week, sometimes it'sthree times a week, I have an
opportunity to speak in front ofa class and even, just like the
(11:36):
other day, I had the webinarright I'm getting online with
people in front of people on mycomputer and that's kind of on a
stage in that sense, and I hadpeople from Ireland, canada,
texas.
To me that's a really big dealand a really big honor and I had
to make it not about me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes, yes, Well, and what's so beautiful is, as I was
watching you last week, I'mlike she is such an anointed
teacher and I would never, andthere was no iota of nervousness
that was coming across thescreen.
I was like this girl's veryconfident and I would never
imagine nervousness.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I actually conquered it right before I got
on film, but it was there, right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, would you say.
I don't remember who it was,but I feel like I've heard many
people who you know say everytime they go up on stage or
every time they're singing at aconcert, you know people who are
up on up on stage or every timethey're singing at a concert.
You know people who are up onstages or in front of people
that maybe have a little bitmore of a you know, maybe would
rather be behind the scenes, butGod's called them forward, type
people.
They say like it hasn'tsubsided, it's gotten better,
(12:50):
but it still is this dependencyon God to show up.
What would you say to that?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, so I can see two parts to that.
Number one.
I did grow in confidencebecause, okay, the very first
step that God led me to was waybefore all the that I just told
you about.
Hey, don't make this about you.
The very first thing he said isyou better prepare, because a
prepared person isn't as anxiousas an unprepared person.
(13:19):
Right, and so a prepared personisn't as anxious as an
unprepared person.
So if I was prepared, that meant, you know, before I got in
front of a class to teach aboutthe Bible, I would pray, I would
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have a lesson typed out that Icould follow, but also that I
had practiced.
I generally, when I firststarted, I would practice in
front of a mirror, I wouldpractice out loud, I would
practice over and over and over,and then, on the way, my
stomach would be in knots, liketerrible, like just unrelenting,
(14:01):
like it was crazy, like howcould, like.
I know you can't imagine, andmy voice quivered.
Everything that changed slowlyas I learned how to prepare
better and I actuallyexperienced oh, this isn't as
scary as I thought it would be,and I gained some basic skills.
Right, so we do have topractice to gain skills.
(14:21):
But then there was this, thatother, that second element?
I told you that's where it'slike oh yeah, anxiety is a sin
that needs to be part of ourmindset as a follower of Christ
and I think I was just I'vereally just been pondering over
this thought why is anxiety apermissible sin?
(14:45):
Somehow in society there's,there are certain permissible
sins, right, and it's eitherpermissible because people
haven't figured out how to getover it or, uh, they just think
everybody suffers with it, sowe'll always have to suffer with
(15:06):
it, and I just don't believethat that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah Well, go go a little deeper on that.
So you mentioned healing fromanxiety.
Obviously, you know you'veshared a little bit about
speaking and you know what didit look like prior.
You know you weren't hearing oryou you weren't hearing his
voice.
You didn't know that it waspossible.
But possible.
(15:32):
And would you say that therewas an element of well healing
with God in that hearing him Goa little deeper on your
experience with that healing?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, so I guess all of my speaking engagements that
came after I learned how to hearGod's voice.
I guess I should be reallyclear, but I still had anxiety,
you see, and so I still had towalk through that.
There was other things that Iwalked through by hearing God's
voice first, and that would looklike depression.
(16:05):
That was my first thing, and soI was massively overweight,
like a 100 pounds.
I know you wouldn't look at meand know, but I'm like I
literally lost 100 pounds bylearning how to hear God's voice
.
And I still have lots ofsupernatural weight loss stories
because in my life I've hadthree kids and you know, when
(16:27):
you have kids, you gain weightand also you get older, your
hormones work differently.
You have to learn how to workyour body differently, and so if
, even recently, the Lord showedme through hearing his voice in
a brand new way, hey, you don'tneed a coach for this, go do
this, it's already in your hand,and that's a really fun story,
(16:49):
by the way.
But if I go back to the backand that's a really fun story,
by the way, but if I go back tothe back I'm like before I had
speaking engagements and knewhow to hear God's voice.
The very beginning of gettingwalking out of anxiety and
depression and all of the traumastarted by journaling and
actually dreaming.
Like I learned that the dreamsat night that I was having was
(17:09):
actually God speaking to me andhe started teaching me how to
understand what those dreamsmeant through journaling,
writing it out, and yeah, that'sprobably a whole nother segment
we could talk about, but it'sreally it was a process.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, we'll have to have you back for
that part, cause I feel likepeople are like well, how do we
do that?
I want to.
I want to learn more.
Um, is that in any of yourbooks that you sure?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
it is, uh, one of.
So my.
The second book that I wrote iscalled but how.
But how?
I wasn't really.
I didn't know anything aboutmarketing, by the way, and
that's what turned me intomargins.
Like I wrote a book and Iwanted to get it in people's
hands and I didn't know how,right.
And so then I started a wholejourney of learning how to
(17:56):
market things, but the name ofthe book was but how, and it's
six different recipes to dodifferent things that I've got
free of.
It was like my journey ofhealing.
Basically it was step one howdo you get free of addictions?
Cause I would go in church andI would listen to a sermon,
especially Wednesday nightthings.
I just remember this over andover and my pastor is amazing,
(18:20):
but he would say just don't dothis.
And even the scripture saysstop doing this, like stop
cussing.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
For instance, just stop it.
And I'd be like, okay, but how?
Like I don't know how topractically stop, cause I want
to stop and it's not stopping.
And I talk about differentaddictions that I had in my book
.
And then I talk about, well,controlling my emotions, Cause I
would have erratic, like angerspouts, and I'm not saying I got
it all figured out, but Godgave me a recipe and I can go
(18:52):
back to that recipe anytime.
It's like, okay, heather, youneed to go back to your own book
.
And it's like, literallystep-by-step do this, do this,
find out why you're mad, findout why your emotions are the
way that they are.
And I have another chapterabout how do I actually hear
God's voice, and so that's whereI talk about well, this is what
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I did.
I started putting my pen to mypaper and I would write a
question out to God, and then Iwould put my pen down and expect
with faith that he would answermy question and my pen would
start moving and I would know,one word at a time, what to
write.
So that's really how I startedto learn how to hear God's voice
(19:34):
.
That was my initial process.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Okay, and how many years ago would you say that was
?
That was probably a decade orso ago.
A decade, okay, and since thenare you still doing this
practice daily?
What does that look like foryou?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That's a good question.
So I usually do the writingpart.
When I have dreams at night, Iwrite them down, because that's
stewarding God's voice, and thenI put my pen to the paper and I
pray.
I always pray, god.
I thank you for dreams in thenight and I ask for
interpretations in the day.
And I put my pen to the paperand, by faith, he tells me
(20:15):
everything he wants to say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So beautiful, so I'm imagining you have many journals
.
I do.
Would you be open to sharingwith us, maybe like one of your
most revelatory dreams andrevelations that he gave you?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
yeah, okay.
So here's a fun one.
Um, okay, and this is actuallyrecent, so don't judge me, but
it's a really fun to me.
I I love that god talks to methrough dreams.
So I had a dream that, um, Iwoke up and my eye felt itchy,
(20:59):
scratchy, like I was going tohave pink eye, and I was going
to the drawer to go get medicineand instead of putting the
medicine in my eye, I decided toget something and dig stuff out
of my ear and this big ball ofstuff came out of my ear and I
(21:23):
put it on my hand and I waslooking at it and I was like,
what is this?
Now?
I mean I could go into detail,but the little thing in my hand
turned into a dragon, and that'sin a nutshell dream, right.
So I thought something waswrong with my eye, but I got
(21:43):
stuff out of my ear and it was adragon.
And here's the interpretation,because and I share this,
because the interpretation is sopowerful, even to me, still
it's.
So I love the imagery, right,you see a dragon just sitting in
your hand and it's looking atyou and I'm like, hmm, and like
it was a dragon with wings,right, and see through and
(22:05):
anyway.
So the interpretation I don'tknow if you're already getting
it, but it's like there wassomething wrong with my vision.
You see, I couldn't see whatwas ahead of me.
I could, like, my vision wasblurred, literally in my life.
It was blurred because Istarted a new job and I didn't
understand why I got hired, whyI got invited, why who am I, I
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kept saying, and this dragon hadthree feet.
And so in my interpretation,I'm asking the Lord what are
these three feet represent?
And he gives me three questionsthat are being whispered to me
by this demonic force, and thatis what is skewing my eyesight.
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Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, and it's removed .
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Uh-huh, oh yeah.
Well, okay, let me go further.
He showed me what the threethings were and he showed me I
was on vacation in the dream andI literally was like the night
before I had the dream I wasgoing on vacation.
I came back and the day I cameback my eye woke up all sticky,
literally Like this is humanlife.
I literally woke up feelinglike I had pink eye and I was
(23:24):
like no, god showed me that thiswas going to happen.
But this isn't real.
I don't have pink eye.
I've got something in my earand I already knew the three
things because I had prayedthrough it.
And here's the interesting partI had already prayed through
those three things, and so letme just give you an example.
One of the lies the enemy waswhispering to me was who am I?
And I don't?
We could go back to previously,remember.
We said I'm making it too muchabout me when there's I in the
statement, it's way too muchpride, right?
(23:50):
And so who am I to get this job?
Well, it's not about me, it'sabout all the people I can serve
.
Obviously I'm qualified, orthey wouldn't have hired me,
right, and I just had to getover myself and all this.
But I had gone through theweekend of praying, through this
Okay, yeah, you're right, god,I don't need to worry about any
of this but that but I stillwoke up with the scratchy eye,
(24:11):
literally.
And so this devil dragon,whatever it was, wasn't gone in
my life, wasn't gone in my life.
I sat in my closet and I gotmad at the devil and I said out
loud all of the things I am notpartnering with.
This spirit that is telling meto question who I am.
I know my identity.
(24:36):
I am a child of the King.
I am called and anointed andappointed for this purpose, and
I was, you know.
I just went on and on and myeye quit bothering me.
That's how God heals.
That's how his hearing, hearinghis voice, brings healing right
.
I got saved, healed anddelivered.
We all did.
I got saved from my own selfand all these stupid questions,
(24:58):
but I got healed in my physicaleye and I got delivered of this
dragon, whatever that waswhispering to me.
Because you have to rememberall these lies that we're
fighting.
They're not always just.
We're not so powerful that wecreate them ourself.
There are spirits around us,and so I am a deliverance
minister too, and I knew how todo it myself, so it worked out
(25:20):
great with God, but I did haveto say it out loud.
I don't know if I made thatreally clear.
I did it all in my head overthe weekend yeah, yeah, this.
Yeah, you're right, god.
I repented and everything, butit wasn't until I declared it
out loud and spoke truth overmyself with with a violence that
I really got free.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's for somebody.
I mean, could you say that onemore time, Like what did you
have to do to really get free ofthis?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, I had to speak out loud the truth of who I was.
Instead, the devil wasquestioning who am I?
And so I had to respond.
I am called, anointed,appointed for such a time as
this.
I am meant for this job.
I am made for this job, Like itit's.
I'm right on time, I'm rightwhere I'm supposed to be.
I had to tell this devil and Ihad to tell my soul right,
(26:14):
Because sometimes your soulstarts believing the lies and
you, you gotta get.
That's how you get deliveranceright Body, soul, spirit, all
the things.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I could hear
the power in her voice as shewas just declaring that over
herself again today.
So, yes, so, for those who arelistening in today, who just
feel like they're, you know,maybe too broken to be healed,
delivered, set free.
What would you say to themtoday?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I'm so sorry you feel that way.
I remember feeling that way.
I remember feeling like it wasridiculous to even go to the
altar for prayer because I don'teven know what to say and no
one's been there before.
There's no way that they wouldeven know what to do for me.
I'm so broken, I don't evenknow what to say and no one's
been there before.
There's no way that they wouldeven know what to do for me.
I'm so broken I don't even knowwhat to ask for.
I remember that.
(27:06):
And it's not an altar callthat's going to heal you, honey.
It's actually your surrender ofyour brokenness and saying God,
I'm so broken I don't know whatto pray.
Show me what to pray.
God, I'm so broken I don't knowwhat to pray.
Show me what to pray, and thegroaning of the spirit will come
up and out of you.
And I would say this toopartnering with someone who's
(27:28):
already been there might be thething that you need to do,
because sometimes we can't pullour own self out of the rabbit
hole right.
Sometimes we need other people.
We're not meant to do thisalone, other people, we're not
meant to do this alone.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You don't have to do this alone.
Yeah, that's huge.
And, as we're both coaches, theline that's come for me
sometimes is like, oh, youshould have it all together.
You're a coach, I don't know ifit ever comes for you, but
truly we need people.
I think of Joshua and Caleb andI.
I always have this vision ofthem coaching each other.
(28:02):
See those giants, they're ourtoast like they're our breakfast
.
And you know, in relation towhat you do, tell us a little
bit more.
How somebody could, you know,walk alongside, how you could
walk alongside them and theirjourney alongside, how you could
walk alongside them and theirjourney.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You know I would be honored to do that and I just
want to say like I need a coachtoo.
Like that dragon dream I justtold you about, that literally
was recent and I had peoplearound me for that vacation that
I told the dream to I was, Ifelt comfortable sharing it with
and they were like helping meunderstand it and we had all
(28:40):
these scriptures that came outthrough it.
So it's not like I process thatall alone.
I'm not that I can't, but Ididn't.
You know what I'm saying.
Just because you can doesn'tmean you should.
So if you, if you want to workwith me, if you feel like you
want healing from God, I helpChristians heal and you got to
want to do it with God becauseI'm not a therapist, I'm a
licensed minister Christiansheal and you got to want to do
(29:01):
it with God because I'm not atherapist, I'm a licensed
minister and you know the bestplace to learn more about me is
just jump on the podcast healwith God.
And or you can I'd love tooffer my freebie.
It's called the seven day mentalmakeover challenge and it's
really the basic things that youneed to start to do in your
(29:21):
life so that you can hear God toheal, and it's a challenge For
seven days.
I double dog.
Dare you to do these fivethings and see what your life
looks like at the end?
Now, for those people who haveactually taken me up on the
challenge, they can dramaticallysee a change in their emotional
state in seven days, literally.
So for those who feel like it'snot, you know they're not up
(29:45):
for the challenge and probablythat's just.
That's the first step, and sothat's at heatherobryannet
backslash mental makeoverchallenge, and I'm sure Kristen
will put the link in the shownotes.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Sure will.
Yes, Well, it has been ablessing to have you on.
I want to have you back onagain At the end of every show.
The Lord has called me to dothis Hope Unlocked podcast for
the one.
And if you could, you know orvision of this woman?
Typically, women are listening.
What is something that you'dwant to say over her, and then
(30:25):
would you pray us out today.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Honey, you're not too broken to be healed.
It's actually not possible.
Jesus died on the cross for you, for your salvation, for your
healing and for your deliverance.
And just as sure as you believeyou're saved, you have to
equally believe that you arehealed and delivered, or can be
right and your salvation is sure.
I'm sure you're thinking.
I'm sure you're thinking that,yeah, I'm going to heaven and so
(30:52):
your salvation, healing anddeliverance is the thing that
Jesus died for.
So I just recommend to you tobelieve by faith that actually,
if I'm saved, I actually amhealed and I actually am
delivered, and Jesus wants thatfor me.
I'm not that special that I'mthe one that he didn't die for
healing and salvation anddeliverance.
No, you're so special that hedied for you, for your healing,
(31:15):
for your salvation, for yourdeliverance, and he wants you to
have all of that here on earth.
He wants you to have theabundant life here on earth.
You don't have to wait till youget to heaven.
Actually, let's ask heaven toinvade you right now.
So, god, I just thank you forwhat you've done.
I thank you for this divineencounter today that we've had,
and I ask that your Holy Spiritwould just be upon every
(31:37):
listener right now.
I speak hope over you.
I say arise and shine that youare the one that God is calling,
anointed, appointed for thisseason.
For this reason, you are right,where you're meant to be,
you're on time, you're not lateand you're not behind.
Yeah, you're not behind.
I feel like some of you arethinking you might be behind and
(32:06):
or there's just.
There's no such thing.
The footsteps of the godly areordered of the Lord, and I speak
that over you in the name ofJesus, amen, amen, heather,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Thank you for being a brave voice who's setting
others free.
I'm going to close with hopeunlocked anchoring verse.
It's made the God of hope fillyou with all joy and peace in
believing, so that by the powerof the Holy Spirit, you may
abound in hope, and that'sRomans 15, 13.
So I will be sure to putHeather's contact information in
the show notes.
And again, thank you again,heather, for coming on.
(32:35):
Would love to have you back onand I will be back with another
episode next week.
Bye, everybody.
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