April 21, 2025 • 63 mins
What happens when the external markers of success leave you feeling empty inside? Rocio Perez's powerful story reveals the profound difference between surviving and truly thriving.
At just 15, Rocio found herself raising a child alone while escaping an abusive relationship and extreme poverty. Determined to create a better future, she emancipated herself from her parents and fought her way into university – making four-hour round trips daily while working multiple jobs to support her son. Her remarkable resilience propelled her toward what appeared to be an extraordinary success story: homeownership, business ventures, academic achievements, and material comfort.
Yet beneath this impressive exterior, Rocio was operating in what she calls "high thriving survival mode" – disconnected from her humanity, driven solely by proving herself worthy. Everything changed when a brain tumor diagnosis at 34 forced her to confront her mortality and question what truly mattered. "I didn't know how to create from love," she reveals, recognizing how trauma had shaped her pursuit of achievement.
This awakening led Rocio to develop the MindShift System, the world's first self-coaching system designed to help people transform their thinking patterns and reconnect with their authentic selves. Through intentional affirmations, journaling practices, and a structured approach to self-regulation, her work guides others from survival-based living toward genuine fulfillment.
The most powerful insight Rocio shares is how our words – especially those we say to ourselves – literally program our reality. When we understand that "our thoughts tell our body what to feel, and our body tells our mind what to think," we can break this cycle by consciously choosing empowering thoughts. Her work now spans books, a university program, and a television show, all focused on helping people achieve their version of a happy, healthy, and meaningful life.
Ready to transform your own thinking patterns? Discover the MindShift Game and connect with Rocio's work at themindshiftgame.com, or reach out directly at 303-587-8367 to learn how intentional living can revolutionize your experience of success.
See more at www.successinspanglish.com
Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | You Tube | LinkedIn
Intro Song: Regaeton Pop - Denbow Ambiance
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Raul Lopez, and you're listening to how Do
you Save Success in Spanglish.
The path to success isn't easyFor minorities and people of
color.
Many attempt this journey withlittle to no guidance.
Join me as I sit down withindividuals who share their
stories of perseverance so thattogether, we can learn how to
say success in Spanglish what'sgood, mi gente, welcome back.
(00:36):
It's your boy, raul.
This is how Do you Say Successin Spanglish, and today my guest
is Rocio Perez.
Rocio, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's going fantastic.
Thank you for having me on yourshow today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Definitely.
I appreciate you taking thetime, especially early morning,
for you over there to kind of goon here and talk with me, and
I'm really looking forward foryou to be able to share your
journey, your story.
You have a very inspirationaljourney that you're going to
tell us about, and so I'm reallyexcited to kind of learn and
kind of get some more info aboutthe things you offer.
(01:04):
So just to start off, a littlebackground about you.
Rocio is the creator of thefirst self-coaching system in
the world the MindShift System,the MindShift Game and the
MindShift Game TV show.
She is a global leader andsought-after life-changing
speaker, leadership trainer andauthor who has helped transform
people around the world.
Rocio's unique transformationalapproach meets people where
they are and guides them toexpand their awareness and boost
(01:26):
their confidence so they canintentionally create their
version of a happy, healthy andmeaningful life.
Rocio, that's pretty awesome.
It's great having someone thatlooks to improve people's life
and it's amazing how many peopleI find that are always looking
to help others, so I'm reallyglad to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you so much for having me here today.
I'm excited to connect with theaudience and share the journey
to touch, move and inspirepeople to achieve their version
of a happy, healthy andmeaningful life.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and I think that's the goal for a lot of us.
So I guess, to start off, let'slearn a little bit about you.
Who is Rocio Perez?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, rocio Perez, icio Perez, I'm an author
speaker, leadership trainer, butI want to talk about my journey
.
Is that where we want to go?
Yeah, yeah journey of a littlegirl.
When I was growing up, I wasthat little girl that was so
excited.
I'm like someday I'm gonna growup and I'm gonna become a
teacher and I would run aroundwith my tattered books and I
would tell, like my Tio Sergio.
Tio Sergio someday I'm gonnagrow up to become a teacher.
(02:24):
And I would tell like my tíoSergio, tío, sergio, someday I'm
going to grow up to be ateacher.
And I felt like I spoke forhours and hours, but that was my
main focus.
I was that rare kid that wouldcry because I wanted to go to
school.
School was like the place thatI wanted to be.
I would speak with my olderbrother and say, hey brother,
what's your vision for thefuture?
This is what I'm going to be.
So always excited on the ABC,one, two, three, whatever.
(02:46):
I was always involved in thingsand very excited to be so.
Yet the reality was veryfar-fetched.
I grew up in extreme povertyand abuse.
I contemplated suicide at theage of five.
I ran away from home at 12, gotpregnant at 14.
And by the time I was 15 yearsold, I, instead of having a
quinceañera, I had a baby, andat that moment, knowing that I
(03:10):
was Latina, uneducated meniallabor my parents didn't care.
I was in an abusiverelationship with somebody.
Eight years my senior, I knewthat my son didn't stand a
chance.
So I went on and knocked ontothe community college of
Denver's doors so I can get intouniversity.
And I couldn't get in.
(03:30):
You know they had told me likeokay, you're 15 years old, you
can't come to university.
Subsequently make a long storyshort I went ahead and
emancipated myself from myparents.
I can go on to university.
Okay, a battle uphill both ways, yeah.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And it university.
Okay, a battle uphill both waysyeah yeah, I can imagine and it
seems like and first, thank youso much for sharing, and I know
we'll get into a little moreabout your journey.
But, like you said, a battleboth ways going up.
And so I guess, to kind ofstart off, there's a lot to
unpack with a lot of what you'vetalked about.
(04:04):
And so you said early on youhad to emancipate.
Um, was that before, after youwere you, you've had your, was
your son?
my son yeah, so was that before.
After you had to, you had yourson after I had my son okay, so
you had to.
Was the driving force foremancipation to get to school,
(04:25):
or was it also just acombination of everything?
I had to?
Kind of I had to get myself outof everything and move, and
only way to move forward was toget emancipated?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
All of the above.
And then I knew school was theonly way out.
Education, that power to keepmoving forward.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So it was education something you always want.
I know you said you alwayswanted to be a teacher, and was
that a driving factor that youhad internally, or was there
some sort of external factor?
You talked about a Theo.
Was there somebody in your lifethat kind of said college is
the way to go, or did you justkind of always knew?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I always knew.
It was always inside of me.
I wanted to make sure that Iwent on to university.
I never felt like I belonged inthe grades that I was in.
Okay, I was held back.
That's one reason the otherreason.
It was like I just didn't see itand I would do my uncle's
homework and he was in.
I was in the seventh grade andhe was in the 12th grade.
I I didn't see it as a pointfor me at that time to go
(05:19):
through high school and I wantedto make sure that I moved on as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean I also stayed back in.
I stayed back in first grade.
So I'm very used to the idea ofyou know, I kind of felt like
for me it was kind of a way tohelp me in the long run, because
I think I've succeeded a lotbetter with that stay back than
anything else.
And so you said you that youfelt that you needed the
education and that education wasan important factor of your
(05:47):
life.
But obviously you ran throughall these different challenges,
especially having a kid at anearly age, did that change your
trajectory or did you feel likeit helped give you that
motivation to get emancipatedand go to college?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
it definitely helped me because I knew my son didn't
stand a chance in the world andI needed to go out and create
that for us, for both of us, tomake sure that he had a better
future, that he didn't have tolive what I lived through as a
child, and so I grew up in abuse, domestic violence, alcoholism,
you just name it.
It was not a good place to be.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No, definitely, definitely and so when you said
you became, you went after youemancipated, you tried to go
into college.
You were 15.
What was that path like to getinto college at that point?
Did you have to go get a GEDand then try to get into school,
or you know how did that work?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was an interesting journey.
Thank you for asking that.
I actually had to wait until Iwas accepted, and I wouldn't be
accepted until I was 16.
Started university at 17 and Ididn't even have a GED back then
.
Remember, this is literallyexactly 30 years ago that this
happened 33, forget 30,.
(07:07):
It was 33 years old, my son'snow 33.
And so it's fascinating to seethat along the way.
But yes, that's what I did.
I went ahead and went on touniversity.
I did well, and there was apoint in time where they were
asking me it's like okay, youcan't go any further unless you
get your GED, and that at theage of 19,.
(07:28):
That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And you're doing all this while being a teenage mom,
dealing with all this, what wasgoing through your mind at this
point?
Well, you know, I know you talkabout mind shift and you know
what was the mindset of ateenager at this point having to
deal with what most adultswould find difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, for me there was only one path forward, and
that was education.
I looked at it as there'ssomething in front of me that's
pulling me towards it.
I knew that I had to do it, somuch so that I'd go to bed at 3
o'clock in the morning sometimes, or get up at 3, depending
where it was at.
Sometimes I'd sleep very littletwo, three hours a night.
Get up at three, dependingwhere it was at.
Sometimes I'd sleep very littletwo, three hours a night.
(08:07):
Get up the next morning by fouro'clock.
I'm walking down the streetwith a two-year-old in my arms,
diaper bag and a backpack tomake a four-hour round trip just
to get to school in the morning.
Just to school in the morning.
Okay, forget about like schooltime.
That was simply it was was aneight hour trip a day.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh wow, you said the school was.
The school wasn't very far fromyou then.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It wasn't very far.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I only afford to pay $10 a day for somebody to take
care of myself.
Oh, okay, so you had to dealwith all that I had to deal with
like make the sacrifice of timeand energy to be able to make
it happen, and so I had to gofrom literally, the school was
20 minutes walking distance fromwhere I lived.
Yet I had to go to another studyso my son could be taken care
(08:53):
of and then make it touniversity and if I had time I
would eat my cold burrito thatmade it three o'clock in the
morning.
Walking across campus, it'slike, okay, I didn't have many
choices.
What I did see is manyopportunities.
And that's what kept me movingforward.
It's like I knew I was in theclassroom.
I knew I was at a disadvantagebecause they would say things
(09:14):
and I'm like I don't know whatthey're saying.
But I did invest my time intothe library and figuring out
things that they were talkingabout and I excelled in school.
That's the great thing.
I did excel in school.
I did catch on relativelyquickly.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, that's awesome.
I know there's a relativeresourcefulness with Latinos and
Latinas when it comes to beingable to do things and not only
do them but do them cheap andwithin your budget and figure
out a way, and I know that'ssomething you probably had to
learn early on in life and likeand what were some of the things
(09:52):
that you had to like, really,that you found really difficult
during that phase of your life?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, I think that the most difficult time was
where my family didn't believein me.
I remember having a cousin whowould always tell me she's like
well, you think you're all goodjust because you're going to
university, but like welfarewould pay for mine if I want to
go.
So there was that competitionfrom her end and, you know, the
(10:19):
rest of the family like it isincreíble.
You think you're better than us, and even my own mother at the
time.
It was like heartbreaking,incredible.
You think you're better than us, and even my own mother at the
time.
It was like heartbreaking,because my mother would say,
like you should be home takingcare of your son.
You're gonna fail, you should bewith your husband, and probably
I had left my abusive partnerand I just wanted to keep moving
(10:39):
forward.
I think one of the major thingsthat it kept me moving forward
was my thoughts.
It's like like you've got thisRocio, you've got this Rocio and
I remember even teaching thatto my son as well Like you can
move forward.
A little engine that could onlytell a little cute story.
I remember one day I think Iwas almost 20 years old and I
(11:00):
was exhausted.
I was working two jobs and goingto university full time, Didn't
even have a car.
I was cleaning homes a coupleof days a week and mentoring
students to get into throughuniversity and then going to
school myself.
And so I come home in themiddle of the day and I need to
take him to the doctor and I'mexhausted and he's like mom,
carry me, and we're going upthis hill and I'm like I can't
(11:23):
carry him.
And I also knew at that agethat it wasn't his fault what we
were going through.
He was not to blame by anystretch of the imagination and
that.
I had to find a way tocommunicate with him that would
be subtle enough to move himforward and for it to be a
pleasant experience.
I started telling him, like son, there was this little engine
(11:45):
and a little engine that could,and it's going off.
And so I'm telling him this,this journey, and then we get
all the way up the hill.
No need to discuss anything.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Simply a fun, engaging experience where both
of our needs got met.
He got up the hill and I got upthe hill too, being exhausted,
and still made it through nice,yeah, that it's.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
as someone who's a parent, uh, right now, um, with
my 11 year old, uh, I'm alwayscontemplating and thinking about
the life lessons I'm teachingher, um, and the life lessons
that were different from whatwas taught to me, and not even
just what, but how they weretaught to me.
You know and I think you made agreat point of saying that he
was not to blame where lots oftimes parents in difficult
(12:35):
situations find a scapegoat forit and sometimes all that
pressure puts on the kids.
So you know, and so when youwere raising your son,
especially being so young anddealing with all this stuff, how
did you try to find thatbalance of being able to raise
and teach those life lessonswhile still dealing with your
(12:57):
own set of youth lessons thatyou were dealing with?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's a very great question.
I just did it.
I made a conscious choice to doit as a very young person and
years prior I remember being 13years old and looking at the
situations in my family and I'mlike I can see the things, I can
connect the dots and see whatthe outcomes are.
And so I made a veryintentional decision, way before
(13:24):
I had children, when I wasprobably nine or 10, said if I
ever have kids, I want to makesure that my children are happy,
right, that they're loved andrespected.
Like I know these things, andso being very intentional was
the key.
It's like I wanted.
I didn't raise a child and,being very specific, I nurtured
(13:48):
a man.
I nurtured the man that Iwanted him to be.
I knew that what I said diddidn't do would impact him in
the long run, and so I wanted tomold a happy, healthy,
nurturing, empathetic individualwho valued women and family.
Here we go, that's who I raised, that's who I molded into be
(14:09):
that man that he became that'sawesome and was a lot of that
motivation.
Just I don't want the cycle tobe repeated right, and because I
knew inside him and I believethat we all know this inside of
ourselves that it is something,that it's intrinsic within all
of us.
We may lose touch with it.
I think it's common for allhumanity that we know that
(14:32):
there's something better andthat we can create it.
Sometimes, we lose track of itbecause of poverty, abuse,
pressure, stress, whatever thatis.
For me, it's like a moment toself-regulate.
Just think about it, take, takea breath, figure it out.
Children are not to blame.
Let's move forward.
Why?
Because I was blamed my wholelife as a child how did it
(14:55):
impact me?
well, I didn't even think.
You know, my mother used to sayyou're the ugliest person ever.
You know, I'm doing a dumpster,like all those things that
impacted me.
Was it stress?
Yes, did she hate her life?
Yes, you know, she wanted morefor herself and all of a sudden,
you know, she finds herselffast forward, stuck with five
(15:17):
children that she didn't evenwant to begin with.
Nobody asked her right, nobodychecked in with her, and I feel
like when we sacrifice ourselvesfor that which we don't even
desire, we end up resenting thatas well.
Even if we desire a family, weget caught up in the thick of
thin things where we're not evenconscious that our words or
(15:38):
actions or physiology orconnection or lack thereof,
impacts for children.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah, kids are a sponge.
Every word matters, everyaction matters and sometimes we
don't think about that becauseas adults, we can interpret
things and they just absorb them.
So it's being reallyintentional, I think for me has
been always really important,like how I say things and what I
say.
For all of that and you know,obviously we're here now.
(16:07):
You made it through, I made it,you made it through.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Myself made it, I made it, we both made it yeah
exactly, and so you moved onfrom what was that?
The community college, and thenyes, where you I went on to.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Went on to University of Colorado Denver and I was
actually mentoring students toget into on our campus there's a
community college, communitycollege Denver mental state, and
then we also had the Universityof Colorado Denver.
I was actually taking classesand encouraging my students to
take classes in the four-yearinstitutions at the community
(16:44):
college level in price, and soby the time I went on to the
university I only had a fewcourses to go and to get through
it.
You know what I think sometimesthe things that we don't talk
about impact us los sacrificios,the sacrifices that we do for
our family.
I literally almost lost myentire education based on
(17:08):
wanting to support andcommitting to support my younger
siblings and getting them outof trouble and figuring out to
make sure that they didn't fallin those footsteps that other
family members had fallen.
And literally this is the firsttime I actually started publicly
here on an interview, and thatwas that I almost got kicked out
of school.
It publicly here on aninterview, and that was that I
(17:30):
almost got kicked out of school.
I literally had like a 1.7.
I don't even remember what itwas.
And between working a full-timejob, working, you know, trying
to save teenagers and put themon the right path, keep them out
of prison let's just be honestright Out there and then raising
a child as a single mother,it's not any easy task for a 22
(17:52):
year old to handle.
And and I made a decision atthat time I was working I
stepped out and said, hey, letme focus.
Like this has been my dream.
Yes, it's been difficult, yes,and whatever, and yes, it's
worth it, it's my dream, I mustbring it to fruition, and that's
when I ended up quitting my job.
(18:13):
I resigned from my job and tookout loans and went on and
finished my schooling.
I was semesters away.
I couldn't throw it away.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, and it's a very mature move.
That is really difficult and Ithink most people don't
understand.
When they think college, theythink, oh, it's easy, you just
go to class and do nothing elseall day, when really no matter
what level not even includingthe additional stuff you're
dealing with as a single parenttrying to make ends meet um, you
(18:43):
know college is difficult.
College is a lot of stress.
There's a lot of timecommitment.
There's a lot of timecommitment.
There's a lot of things that goon.
I mean myself, another onethat's also had to deal with a
shitty GPA and almost gettingkicked out of school, having a
whole bunch of loans to get out.
But there's the differencebetween a short-term goal and a
long-term goal, and lots oftimes people focus and say, hey,
you're wasting your time.
(19:03):
You could be working right now,when you're like, oh, I know
this is going to drive me to thefuture.
So you know, it's great to hearthat, despite all of that, you
know you focused on thatlong-term goal.
And how did you always have along-term goal mindset?
Or is that something that youslowly had to build?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know, that's something that I've always had.
Even as a little child, I knewthat I could live a better life,
that parents are supposed tolove and care for their children
.
Even as a little girl, I knewthat education was the way out
and the way forward.
I've always had this visionthat continues to pull me
forward.
You know, call it God's source,call it universe, call it what
(19:40):
you will, and it's like may yama.
It continues to call me towardsit and it's something that's
inside of me that wakes me up inthe middle of the night.
It's when, I have my greatestdownloads.
Okay, rocio, take out the phoneor take out the piece of paper,
start writing.
You know, there's so much it'slike and here we go there's.
There's something inside of mysoul that pulls me towards the
(20:04):
betterment of humanity.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Nice, nice, yeah, and you talk about the betterment
of humanity.
It's like you're dealing withall this stuff in your life, all
these challenges, all theseobstacles.
You're struggling, you'rebarely making it through and you
still decided, hey, I'm goingto try to encourage other people
to improve their lives.
Did you always have thatfeeling, or is that always a
driving factor to not justimprove your life, but improve
other people's lives?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It was always a factor.
As a matter of fact, in mymid-teens, my family would call
me Grandma, would call me Auntsand uncles would call me to get
advice from me.
Okay, mind you, I was 15, 16,17 years old and they're calling
me for advice.
It was something that's alwaysbeen inside of me, that desire
to help people.
By the time I was 19, I wasmentoring students to get into,
(20:47):
through university and so forth,so it's something that's always
been in my heart.
It's something that I lovewatching people thrive.
I love watching people have whatthey want out of life.
Some people come to me.
They may be in their twentiesand they just want to get
through university or get thatjob or raise a family.
But also people come to me Iwork with people that are from
(21:08):
zero.
I work with children very young, from zero to 80 years of age.
The oldest student I graduatedwas 80 years old.
So you can only imagine howpeople come up and I think we
all have regrets, and that's oneof the things.
It doesn't matter how old weare, it doesn't matter what
background we come from.
It doesn't matter if we had aloving family or not a loving
(21:28):
family.
We all have something thatholds us back from wherever it
is that we desire to be, and forme, it's like I just want to
stop that pain for people.
I want them to live theirversion of a happy, healthy,
wealthy life and to live from aplace of joy, to have that peace
that I didn't have because Iwas in survival mode.
(21:49):
I was what I call in highthriving survival mode.
Yes, you, I was on tv.
Yes, I was doing all thesethings.
Yes, I was educated and I wasstill in survival mode and what
is that like?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
thriving survival, survival, and how does that
affect how people act and react?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
right, okay, well, for the way that it showed up
for me.
I think that's a good way.
I'd invite people to reflect onwhat it is that I say and then
reflect on their life to see,like for me, it was like okay, I
gotta go to school because myson needs to be educated.
Right, he needs to haveopportunities.
I need to go to work because weit's important for us to have a
great place to live, a stableplace.
(22:31):
I didn't come from a stablebackground.
My father would come in somedays and say, hey, we're moving,
and it wasn't like the moversare coming or anything, it's
like we're leaving.
Yeah, okay, get in the car,we're leaving, that's it.
You're not taking anything withyou.
So for me it was important, andso that survival mode led me to
excel in university.
(22:52):
Right, although I almost gotkicked out.
Yes, my GPAs were like 3.8before all the stuff that was
falling apart before my eyes.
It led me to get additionaleducation.
It led me, it pulled me forwardwhere other people around me in
my environment, even othereducated individuals, weren't
(23:12):
doing the same thing.
What that looks like for someof us for me it was Rocio is
only focused on the goal.
That's it.
We're focused on the goal.
The family.
That's it.
There's nothing else.
There was not much ofentertainment or friends or
whatever it there's nothing else.
There was not much ofentertainment or friends or
whatever.
And it's almost like thatdriving force.
(23:33):
Although it's great to beaccomplishing things, I was
missing out of my humanity andI'm going to share one pivotal
moment in my life thateverything just shifted.
I was 33 years old.
I was on top of the world.
I had the house, the car, thekid, the everything.
My son was graduated from highschool.
I had graduated from university.
We had built a home from theground up.
(23:54):
I had built a business, twobusinesses, and I was an
inventor and I was like,enjoying the process.
And then I realized at one pointI'm like, I feel unfulfilled.
My son left home and I'm like,what again?
(24:21):
This for Right?
What was all this struggle for?
What was all the sacrifice forto build this?
And he's no longer at home.
So I felt like empty.
There was an emptiness insideof me, literally, as I turned 34
, it's like the universe knockedon my door and said OK, rocio,
are you ready?
Are you ready to wake up?
You've been numbing yourself.
I had numbed myself and Ididn't even know it At that
point.
I had been diagnosed with abrain tumor 13 days after my
34th birthday.
(24:42):
I was in the ER the eve of mybirthday and to understand, and
it's like, okay, how does mylife shift?
And I remember the next morningwaking up and I was like a
driver Okay, son, you're goingto go, you're going to do your
PhD.
We lived in a collegeuniversity city because I wanted
him to go to university, allthese things.
(25:02):
And then that next morning Ilived in Boulder, colorado, on
the North side of it morning.
I lived in Boulder, colorado,on the north side of it.
I looked over my home, lookedover the flat irons, and I'm
looking over this beautifulrocks and I'm like para que,
para que I haven't lived.
You know, my son was sleepingin the living room and I'm like
there's no need to stress himout.
It's like just let him be, likelet him in his humanity.
(25:25):
He doesn't have to go out anddo things to be happy, he can
just be happy.
And I remember walking up thestairs and again I'm looking
over the flat irons and saying,okay, this is the first day of
my life, this is the day that Iget to live by intention and
with intention it's no longerit's like, hey, all these goals
(25:47):
I need to accomplish.
And yes, there's a major pointin that.
What I would love people tounderstand is that trauma leads
us to numbing Part of successand part of driving so hard in
that high thriving survival modeis numbing ourselves.
See, when my son left, I hadnothing.
(26:10):
I found myself in the middle ofthe night crying in the parking
lot next to my office because Iwas just alone.
And then, when fast forward togo heal myself, I left to San
Diego and in that time I'm likeI didn't know how to create from
love, although I had made thatcommitment on October 20th of
(26:33):
2009,.
I didn't know how to createfrom love.
It was just like okay, it wasalmost like proving the world,
proving my family wrong, provingeverything wrong, and it wasn't
until that point.
It's like I don't know how tocreate from love.
I don't know how to create frombeing in a place of not
surviving, and, and so that wasthe hardest shift, the hardest
(27:00):
mind shift that I had to do andto transform the way that I was
thinking, because it was nolonger my son driving me, it was
no longer poverty driving me,it was no longer education
driving me, it was no longerbusiness driving me.
Now I had to drive from.
I have a place, I have a choice.
(27:20):
How do I start to build fromthat?
That was the hardest journey.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Thank you for sharing all that.
And I have to say I mean, um, wetalked before, but you know,
I've had my own health issuesthat, I think, hit me in a
similar fashion, where it's likeyou spend all your time and
it's kind of what helped medrive with this show where
you're driving for this unknowngoal of what I think success is,
(27:49):
and you get there and it's notenough and you go, move forward
and you keep moving thosegoalposts and you keep moving
those goalposts and you're neverhappy and you're always chasing
, and then something knocks youon your ass and you have to
reflect and what's become moreimportant?
And when I was in college Istruggled with a lot of stuff,
with a lot of stuff, and theycame a point where I started
(28:11):
doing a much better in college.
And that was when I stoppedgiving a shit, like I stopped
worrying and I stopped caring,where you know, oh, I'm going to
hand this paper in late, causeif I hand it in today I'm going
to fail.
And then my a minus goes downto a B plus.
Well, I would have got a D if Ididn't, if I handed it on time.
But I stopped giving a shit andslowly I stopped stressing and
(28:31):
I stopped in my mindset change.
Like you said, the mind shiftof what helped me get better was
not continually doing the samething over again and wondering
why and so and so uh so you know, I'm just sorry, I just
uh, not, not really a question,it was just more reflection on
what you were.
I'm just sorry, I just uh, notreally a question, it was just
more reflection on what you weretelling me.
(28:52):
It's just like, yeah, I, I feltthat way and now that I'm here
and I had to question how manymore years I have in this world
I keep talking about I'm tryingto squeeze out as many extra
years as I can, and what is themeaning that I'll be leaving
behind when I move forward?
So you know, I just have toreflect on what you were saying,
because it hits me, hits mehard, the words you're saying,
(29:12):
because I'm I'm dealing withthat right now as well.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, it's fascinating when we come across
that point again, 34 years oldthat day, the next day, 14 days
after my birthday, and thinkingthis is the first day of my life
.
First of all, the doctor toldme on the 19th, same day that I
was MRI'd, same day that I wastalked with.
(29:37):
I demanded to speak with thedoctor and I started to see all
the things that were important.
Number one the doctor said youcould have a stroke and die any
moment.
And I'm like wow, like what amI gonna do?
What am I gonna dedicate mylife to?
How do I?
How do I live with intention?
and I remember my best friendwas there that morning when the
(29:59):
doctors called me and said, hey,you, you have a rare brain
tumor and, uh, you can die anymoment.
And I'm like, okay, um, thankyou, uh, let's, let's deal with
it as a business transaction.
That's survival yeah survival tothe core.
That's that's disconnectingfrom our humanity.
I disconnected from my humanity, I disconnected from my
(30:19):
feelings and I remember going,uh, immediately to my friend.
I'm like, okay, like all thethings that I was putting off,
that I didn't think they werethat important, like I had
reconnected with the brother, Ihad just found out that I had
nieces, and it's like I want togo get me a plane ticket, I want
to leave, I want to go see mybrother, I want to go meet my
(30:41):
nieces for the first time.
I want to do this.
That the other, like all thethings that were important were
now at the forefront.
Why did I have to wait untilbeing faced with death to be
able to do that?
That was the hardest thing.
And then fast forwarding comingback to San Diego on June 16th
2011,.
(31:02):
I'm there in San Diego and I'mlike okay you know, what do I do
do now?
what do I do with my life?
And then people are calling melike Rocio, I need your energy,
and like they want me to coachthem.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, howcan these people that I help
mold have a better life than Ido?
And I wasn't talking about thetime, the energy, the money, the
resources, the education, theaccolades of the achievement.
(31:25):
What I wanted was my mother'slove.
I literally would have packedeverything and put it in a box
and said here you go, you canhave it all, as long as you can
give me my mother's love.
And that was the beginning ofmy journey.
That was the beginning of myjourney of learning, of healing,
of understanding that it wasn'ther love that I wanted.
(31:50):
It was my love.
I didn't love myself and Ididn't even know it.
From the outside it lookedperfect.
Rosia lived like a princess.
The clothes, the, whatever, theband-aids let's just put them
that's what they are.
It's band-aids to covereverything.
Put them like that's what theyare.
It's band-aids to covereverything up.
And I was so numb that at thatpoint, when I started to realize
(32:14):
I put myself into my owncoaching system, I had realized
nobody's ever coached me.
You know, I've been coachingand helping people, like, get me
out.
Nobody's helped me.
Like, how do I continue to moveforward and help myself in a
way that is productive for me?
That's where this whole mindshift journey began for me in a
(32:34):
very different way.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Nice.
And so, jessica, quickbacktrack Health-wise your tumor
did everything turn out okaywith that.
Or are you still dealing withit.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's a great question the tumors and remission.
I had a high dose of radiation,only able to have once and that
was it, and from that pointforward, it's whatever it is.
The only thing that I know isthat I get to live my life the
way that I choose to live mylife and, um, I've choose to
live my life and I've been askedthat question many times, like
(33:11):
Rocio, like what are you doingon the stage?
And if you don't know what'shappening, does it really matter
?
Does it really matter?
It's like it's not how I diedthat mattered, it's how I lived
matters, and I live.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I choose to live full out and so and so what came
next?
After you starting your lifeover day one, you're moving
forward.
What's next?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
day one.
Here I am again in San Diegoand I was like, when I made that
realization, nobody's evercoached me and I decided to turn
coaching onto myself.
I started learning from a lotof different people.
I went to many differentworld-renowned experts and
learning here, there, and then Irecognized that nobody had the
(33:56):
secret answer.
I knew that if I didn't resolvewhatever was inside of me and
it had nothing to do with healthalthough there was a brain
tumor that could have killed meit didn't have to do anything
with health.
It's like that.
It had to do with whatever wasunresolved.
And oh boy, let me tell youlike life peaked its ugly head
(34:17):
in ways that I could have neverimagined, where I was seeing the
trauma, and it's like I had to.
I had to dance with my trauma.
I had to see my.
I didn't even see them likeprior to that.
I was like, oh, my parents didthe best that they could with
what they had.
No, I was scared.
They did the worst they couldwith what they had and in the
way that really impacted me as ahuman being and really could
(34:41):
have let me um an enigma, Icould have been dead, way you
know, in my teens because ofthat.
Really, looking at it, I putmyself into this personal
development arena.
I discovered that nobody hadthe answer, that the answer was
within me, all of the answerswere within me.
(35:01):
And then I started coachingmyself.
I would walk around and I'm likeI'm telling my clients you have
a problem, your father didn'tshow love to you.
How about you show it toyourself?
What didn't you hear?
And I'm like, what about you,rocio?
And so I started looking,literally, I started looking in
the mirror and I'm like, hey,rocio, by the way, I'm like I
love you, little girl, like allthe things I never heard from my
(35:24):
family, from my mother orfather.
Like hey, little girl, you'reamazing.
Hey, little girl, we're soproud of you.
And I'm like, hasta que me lacreí Until I started to affirm
as I affirmed, I confirmed, andwhen it was confirmed, then this
whole new being emerged and ittook what it took.
(35:44):
It took what it took and I waslike.
I was like the pit bull thatgrabs on so hard that it's not
going to let go until it getswhat it wants.
That was me.
There was no way in the worldthat I was not going to see my
son ever again, because I knewit would kill me.
I'm not sure if you know thestatistics right now.
They've discovered that the vastmajority of diseases have to do
(36:07):
with unresolved trauma andemotions.
They're stuck in the body.
They just manifest as disease.
And so I went through thisamazing transformation.
I started journaling like I hadnever journaled before.
I started doing my affirmations, I started doing physical
(36:27):
exercises to retrain my mind andmy body, and then I started
teaching that to others.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's at the Affirmation Prize it's.
We talked about kids and howthey're.
Sponges and words andeverything matter, but as adults
they still matter.
And sometimes just sayingsimple things, like as adults
they still matter.
And sometimes just sayingsimple things like you said I
love myself, I love you.
You know what I mean.
Or you're doing great.
Those little affirmations.
Eventually you start to believethem, and so it's a great thing
(36:59):
, and I guess this kind of goesinto what we're.
What we'll go into next, Iguess, is with your mind shift
system.
And how did that evolve fromwhat you were doing?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Well.
So, because the system was sosuccessful and I was teaching it
to people and my commitment onOctober 20th 2009 was to serve
humanity in a different way itwas at that moment is that I
owned my guess although I hadbeen coaching, I never had seen
it as a job, or I never had seenit as a career for myself.
I was like something that I do.
It's like I'm naturallycompetent at it.
Doesn't everybody know this?
And then when I embraced it, Isaid, wow, I helped myself.
(37:42):
I was helping clients.
I was watching people transcendtheir limitations and
post-perceived limitationsBecause we also have perceived
limitations and I immersedmyself into studying.
You know, when they said 10,000hours, well, I would have
probably multiplied that by 10itself, and I was like studying
and listening to audio andreading books and taking
(38:05):
conferences, and that's one ofthe things that helped me.
So I said, okay, now you'rehelping yourself, you're helping
others, but what happens to thepeople that cannot afford it?
What if the people?
If they don't have time, theymay have money.
If they don't, if they havemoney, they don't have time to
wait, or you know, whether it'stime or money or energy or
(38:26):
whatever, like?
It shouldn't be the case thatonly the people who could afford
it or have the time that can doit and coach themselves, and
it's like, oh.
So again, turning coaching ontoourselves, I created the
MindShift game.
It's part of the MindShiftsystem and part of the MindShift
system helps people do the verythings that I have been doing,
(38:48):
naturally, as a little child.
That's how I survive, tellingmyself that I could.
So it's about taking courageousactions.
Courageous actions lead intoboosting your confidence.
Boosting your confidence leadsinto discovering your vision,
your mission.
Not mother, father, teacher,preacher's vision.
Not because I'm a first gen,does that mean that I get to
(39:09):
follow somebody else's dream.
I have a dream and then intothat is like really stepping
into our power and having thoseconversations, doing the things
that are important, and thenstepping into our energy, owning
it as the life and the worlddepends on it, because it does.
Our life depends on it, and soall of these are affirmation
(39:32):
cards where and I'm going toread a couple of them I take
charge of every moment, in everyarea of my life.
How powerful is that?
As people read it over and over, just like I did, these are
very, very intentional and.
I share very intentional,because I spent months with an
entire team working on everysingle word that we put on here.
(39:53):
As a matter of fact, last nightI was at a in an organizational
event and someone told me wow,you know, I'm doing my
affirmations as well and they'regreat.
And they started sharing theiraffirmations and I've heard this
many, many times and expectingsomething positively, and they
(40:16):
thought, because simply theywere doing affirmations that
they were perfect.
Well, we start to affirm,affirm, affirm.
Something that's negative, likeif I keep on saying hey, I'm
never going to steal, I'm nevergoing to steal or I'm never
going to hurt somebody.
Just repeat after me, say thatphrase without the word no.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You said I'm never goodness.
It was replaced with with no,I'm going to steal that's
exactly what we're saying, right.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We cannot not think of something right.
And when people like I'm nevergoing to give up on my dreams,
it's like you're programming.
I'm going to give up on mydreams because the mere fact
that you're actually saying thatis actually programming you.
And for me, I'm very, veryintentional on what I hear.
It's like it's almost likesomebody says something negative
(41:02):
.
It screeches in my soul and myears.
It's like like chalk on thechalkboard and so we created
this entire deck of cards sothat people can go ahead and
program themselves.
It's like, because we do everysingle day, we're already
programming ourselves.
Why not be intentional about it?
Why not program ourselves?
Why not play a game that's funand easy and exciting?
(41:24):
And then you start to seeyourself shift and your energy
shift, and people around you'relike hey, what happened to you?
Marcos, maria, you know, paco,what's going on with you?
You know you look great.
I always hear people likeyou're glowing.
I'm like life is great.
So that the game comes with aguide that teaches people like
(41:45):
start wherever you want to start.
You get to choose where youwant to start, and then it has a
journal and the journal walksyou through an entire process
every day, starting withgratitude, self-efficacy we're
one of the only, if not the only, people in the world that talk
about self-efficacy and that'shelping people self-regulate,
(42:06):
it's getting out of thatsurvival mode.
Human being, we can throwourselves into survival mode
simply by thought alone.
We could even do it bybreathing, can do it by
physiology.
Simple, you know, I can showyou somebody you know.
Show me right here, right now,what does a person look like
when they're depressed?
(42:27):
physiology yeah, I don't knowand most of the time it's like
and this is as fast, because Ido this on a global scale.
I'm like show mephysiologically what a person
looks like when they go intodepression.
It's that fast.
So, if I understand thatdepression can also be and, mind
(42:50):
you, there are people who doneed some support in different
ways but sometimes it's also ourphysiology that takes us into
depression.
How we hold our body, how we'rebreathing, the thoughts that
we're thinking.
Our thoughts tell our body whatto feel.
Our body tells our mind what tothink.
And this is this vicious circle, and so my goal in life is to
(43:14):
help people take control oftheir life, take charge of their
life, to live the life thatthey came here to live, which is
to be happy to enjoy it, to bein peace and harmony.
Yes, there's stress.
Stress only means that there'sgrowth.
When there's prolonged stress,that's where disease comes from.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
That's survival mode, even if you're high, thriving
yeah, yeah, I really like the,especially the aspect you're
talking about, like the removingthe negative connotations and
stuff, cause it's, you know,every parent is a lead, a coach
to their kid, kind of deal.
You know you're constantlytrying to teach them lessons and
(43:54):
show them, hopefully, things toimprove their lives, and one of
the things I like to do with mydaughter is make sure she
doesn't trying to teach themlessons and show them, hopefully
, things to improve their lives,and one of the things I like to
do with my daughter is makesure she doesn't fear challenges
and failures.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
So that you know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So for her it's like she tells me I can't do this.
I'm like it's not that youcan't do this, it's just you
don't have enough experience tomake it easy for you.
But if you keep, working at ityou'll get there, you know.
So it's so.
It's constantly like sayingtelling her, hey, these are just
challenges that are going toimprove your life, they're not
something you can't do.
And uh, she's gotten better.
Like, she's big on soccer.
(44:27):
She's like, oh, maybe I shouldtry out for the select team
because it'll be more of achallenge and I think I'll get
better doing this harder levelstuff, and so I see it slowly
building up on her and so I can,like you know, like you said,
it's like these little thingsthat build up to these big
(44:47):
changes, that your game, I think, hopefully gives people that
opportunity to to slowlyincorporate these tasks, that
eventually they might not needthe game anymore because they're
doing it on their own.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
And they start to do it on their own.
And here's something that'smagical about the game it's
played in eight week rounds,played every day, three times a
day, every day, three times aday.
You're developing a patternthat you're right in time and
the perfect time for you,because it also depends on your
intensity, right and yourcommitment and what you get to
do in the perfect time for you,based on what you're, the effort
(45:20):
that you're putting into it,that you'll be there.
It's like automatic.
It's automatic, it's automatic.
It's like I get to do this.
I want to share a quick storybecause I think it's fun.
You talked about fear and thatwas one of the things that I,
when I was molding my son, Iwanted to make sure that he was
solid.
And now, with my grandchildren,I remember my grandson was
(45:41):
about 18 months old and I puthim up in the air and he's like
I could feel him shake and I'mlike not under my, not under my
watch, okay, because I know theimpact of what's going to happen
, and I remember, as he wasgrowing up, I would teach him.
He's like I want to go on themonkey bars and I'm like you got
this.
Repeat after me.
I've got this, I got this, Igot this.
(46:02):
And there was a point in timewhen, right pre-COVID literally
pre-COVID, it was that Februaryhe was four years old, going on
five, and I'm like catch.
You know, we're playing catchand he couldn't catch.
(46:22):
And he's like catching likethis.
I'm like it's not a beach ball,right, so he's not going to
catch.
And by the end of that visithe's catching like this.
Next time I come around I'mlike let's go play catch.
And he's like no, I can't getit.
And I'm like nope.
Those are like let me share withyou a little child.
I'm like, okay, I see that Iget to change that in him, I get
to mold something in him.
And I'm like, okay, repeatafter me.
And he was always he was usedto repeating after me.
(46:43):
And I'm like I've got this.
And so he's standing and I havevideo of this.
He's standing up there and he'slike I've got this, I've got
this, I've got this.
And I saw him get into the peakstate and I got I threw over
the little hacky sack and hecaught it for the first time.
And I'm like recording him andhe's like let me see, let me see
, let me see.
And he caught almost everysingle time after.
Why?
(47:03):
Because he got into a peakstate of mind.
He went from the I can't, whichare the most dangerous words
that I consider in the world, toI can't and I got this yeah,
it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
It's funny.
I love talking to you today, bythe way, because you keep
telling these stories, and ithits me with something that I've
dealt with too, where it's likeyou know, sometimes you read
something at the right time andit kind of changes your
perspective.
Everything.
And like early, like after mydaughter was born, I just
happened to see an article thattalked about teaching kids to
take risks at an early age, evenon a monkey bar, where they're
(47:41):
afraid to climb up to thehighest bar.
And teaching them to take thatrisk and move forward builds the
stepping stones that will leadto more successful adults.
Because they're not afraid oftaking risks.
As adults, they're not afraidto start that company or apply
for that job or go to thoseclasses or learn something new.
Because at an early age they'velearned to deal with the idea
(48:02):
that risk could bring reward andthey're not scared of it.
And that whole concept, likeyou say with with your grandson,
where it's like I can't, Ican't, I can't.
I mean, I'm the same way andit's like you're solely teaching
them, encouraging them to saythere's no such thing as you
can't.
I tell the time.
There's no such thing as youcan't, it's just you haven't
gotten enough experience to makeit easy.
Yet you know what I mean andyou're getting there.
So I love and, like I said,it's been great today talking to
(48:24):
you, because you keep hittingme over the head with stuff that
I'm like, yes, yes, I feel thatI love that.
So so it's obviously you haveyour game and then you also have
you have, for the Mindshiftsystem, a university.
You're starting a university.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
We have a university and it launches today.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's launching today and it's beautiful.
It's like we have it both inEnglish and Spanish.
It's about how to be confidentwith you.
How do we overcome fear?
How do we embrace our actuallyeven embracing?
Even our own imposter syndromecan help us.
There's a time to use it,there's a time to not.
There's a time to be aware.
There's a time not to be awareof things and there's a time to
(49:06):
embrace things.
So what we're doing is helpingpeople being more confident in
and achieving what they want toachieve.
So we have the MindShiftUniversity buses on
psychological safety, changemanagement, confident being you,
seeing your blind spots,figuring out where you've been
and how you move forward, andthen we also have our books of a
book series.
This is unstoppable.
(49:27):
This is a workbook that helpspeople achieve what they want to
achieve.
You can go through this book amillion times, and a million
times you will find somethingnew because you're constantly
involving.
And we have that one in spanish,and then you know this is one
(49:47):
of our books, the hispanicjourney.
And then this is our latestbook right here, which is these
are stories from mind and soul,from that strength that we draw.
These are 22 co-authors,including myself, across the
nation that have made acommitment to helping our youth,
to helping people see theresilience of our gente.
(50:11):
How do we move forward?
So everything that we do is tohelp people achieve the life
that they desire, whether it'sthrough our books, through our
games, through our keynotes,through our coaching, through
any of our products and services.
We also have a TV show calledthe Mind Shift Game TV show.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Nice.
And what is that TV show?
Is it like people playing thegame, or is it like it's
actually people listening to thecoaching aspect get coaching.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
It's on one of the an amazing platform called expand
itv.
It's like the netflix coachingworld oh nice so, which is
really neat.
So I share thoughts andinsights on how people can
continue to move forward.
You know, anytime that you cando work one-on-one with us or as
a group, it's always very, verybeneficial.
(51:02):
And then you know as you see itright, it's like watching
something on YouTube.
Is it the same thing.
Oh, it's great.
And the in-person.
I want to be in the concert, Iwant to listen to the
conversation, I want to feel themusic and the vibes, and that
changes.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Nice and so, with everything that you guys are
doing and that you know all thehelp you're providing people,
you know what's, what's some ofthe biggest takeaway that you
want people to realize that comefor these.
You know mind shift game andthe mind shift system and your
leadership and your, yourcoaching.
You know what's one of thebiggest things you guys like to
emphasize.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
That you can do this, that any one of us can
transform our lives at any givenpoint in time.
Our minds are malleable.
Our minds can shift over andover again.
The earlier we do it, theyounger we do it.
It's going to be easier.
It's easier for me to coachsomebody that's 10 years old
versus somebody that's 30 or 40years old.
(51:58):
It's there's a difference,right, I think, about it being
as concrete the older we are.
You know, there's a layer ofconcrete, layer of concrete,
layer of concrete, and in time,that layer of concrete's going
to look like this thick, right?
You know, is it this thick oris it this thick, right?
so it's going to be the majordifference in what level of
commitment that we can transformour lives, that it is in our
(52:21):
hands, that it is by instinctthat we were born perfect, whole
and complete as human beingsand that everything that we have
lived is what we have learnedOkay, automatically.
We have learned more from theages of zero to seven than what
we will for the rest of ourlives.
Although we think we get PhDs,mds, one, two, threes, whatever
(52:47):
the learning that goes into theindividuals is far greater.
So I have a huge place in myheart for children and I would
love for parents to invest intheir children.
The earlier that we can do that, the more that we're changing
our children's, children'schildren's lives.
You know, for the southgeneration that impact, and also
(53:08):
for those of us who are teensor adults, hey, you know, take
it into your own hands.
Your don't wait for somebody,like a lot of people, like, well
, my boss isn't invested in it,so I'm not going to do it.
It's like, okay, okay, you know.
And also that your greatestinvestment is always going to be
in your mind always get in yourmind.
(53:29):
You buy this brush, that brushis only going to serve you, but
it doesn't give you anythingmore.
Rather than you use it to applythe powder on your face, and
when you invest in your mindover and over and you shed that
layer and shed that layer andshed that layer, you reconnect
with your intuitive wisdom thatallows you to create things even
(53:51):
faster.
See, after my trauma healing, Iwas able to to not only heal
also.
I was able to get to not onlyheal also.
I was able to move forwardfaster.
The thoughts, ideas, the thingsthat were before me that I
hadn't seen, that now I see havehelped me move forward.
I want people to live as ahappy life as they are willing
(54:14):
to put the effort into Nice andI love the fact that you know
it's what you guys do forchildren too.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
And do you guys do like anything like on the parent
side, like how can I be abetter parent with the stuff
that I do?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, most definitely.
We have a coaching system thathelps parents.
I do guide people through that.
I've been teaching parentingclasses for the last 22 years,
over 22 years, and help themmold, because one of the things
that I see is I go all the wayto my oldest clients and see how
(54:50):
life impacted them.
I have a client that's 83 yearsold.
Let me tell you how it impactedthat individual.
They're still suffering.
They're 83, right, uh, 60, youname it psychologists, doctors,
investors, people, they, they'veall been impacted.
And it didn't matter if theycame from poverty, it didn't
matter if they came from wealth,it didn't matter that.
(55:13):
The human experience is thehuman experience.
As a matter of fact, somepeople who came from more
actually are suffering even morebecause they had a lack of
attachment.
You know, sometimes when wethink about here's the mind
shift that I would like peopleto do is when we think about
(55:33):
adversity and poverty it's notalways a bad thing, right, like
adversity.
Actually, imagine if you thinkabout it like hey, you know, we
have $10 for dinner, what are wegoing to do, and let's work
together as a team, and they'relike there's that attachment,
there's that bonding, there'sthat collaboration, all of that
as opposed to hey, you're goingto be sent away for school
(55:57):
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, there's a difference.
Yeah, I mean we talked aboutthe resourcefulness of our
people.
I think from poverty we're ableto squeeze out as much as we
can make big foods and from thecheapest meats and eat great,
you know.
So it's like yeah sometimes youneed if you garden.
You know some plants that growon the ground.
(56:19):
Without hard ground they don'tgrow big, you know.
So, if the ground is too softyou get little.
You know, like potatoes andstuff like that, they won't grow
without that pressure.
So you know, sometimes it's likethat, so that's awesome.
And one other question I haveis have you talked to your son
about everything in your lifeand your journey with him and
(56:40):
had reflections on?
You know what are the lifelessons and what can you and I
do to do a better job with thegrandkids moving forward?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
You know, we haven't had conversations like that.
We have had like vision, biggervision conversations.
Um, I feel like he's taken hisown lessons and taught him in
the way that's important for himto teach him to his son, next
generation, different ways ofmolding, because there's always
something that we get to shedright and um and mold within
(57:15):
ourselves.
I know I recently shared avision that I had shared with
him when he was 16 years old.
He's 33 now, like son, you know, remember I said I would build
this thing and like how coolwould it be to build a program
that's going to help people andfamilies?
And so I'm like son, I built it.
I built it and like I didn'teven know, I was just like pedal
(57:35):
to the metal focus, focus,focus, focus.
And then now, when we look atit, this provides wellbeing.
This provides self-regulation.
This provides people a better,happier, healthier relationship,
marriage, whatever, job, lifeexperience, because now we're
(57:56):
even more aware of how we'vebeen creating our world and we
get to intentionally mold thatexperience for ourselves.
So that's something that I knowhe's very proud of.
He's always talked about me.
You know, when kids talk abouttheir parents behind their back,
mine talked in a very positiveway.
I go to school and people andthe teachers would say you know,
like Victor, like let me showyou what he wrote about you,
like he's so proud of you.
Or parents, parents, friends,parents would say the same thing
(58:20):
and I'm like, okay, that'sgreat.
And I remember him being 11years old and he's like running
down the stairs.
He's like mom, how come you'redifferent?
And I'm like what are youtalking about, son?
How come you're different?
He goes why, you know, like myuncles, they're drinking and
driving and yelling at theirkids and you're doing different
things.
And all I can say is that thisis what I choose for us, right
(58:42):
that I get to choose.
Like life is a choice.
The way, what it is that we'reliving outside of us came from
inside of us, and if we changethe inside of us, our mind, our
body, the way that we processedemotions or the way emotions are
stuck in our bodies.
Then we can move forward and wecan free ourselves and see
(59:04):
things that we hadn't seenbecause now we're free.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yep, yep, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Well, so usually around thetime, I like to ask a couple of
questions at the end of ourinterview.
But if you could go back intime especially since you deal
with kids now, but with what youknow now and go back to your
younger version of yourself andcoach yourself and give yourself
some advice, what's somethingyou would have told yourself?
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I would have said I love you.
I would have said I love you, Ilove you, I love you, I love
you.
I can't tell you how many timesI see people like when I coach
them.
They break down.
They literally break down.
They're sobbing, they can't doit.
They can't even see themselvesin the eyes.
I couldn't see myself.
(59:50):
I would tell myself that I havethe power to transform my life
and that I'm the only one, likeI've always knew that I was the
only one.
I would definitely encouragemyself.
That's what I would say I loveyou, I love you, I love you.
You're amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And you're worth it.
Yeah, thank you, that's awesome.
That's really amazing and likeyou said words matter, and so
I'm glad that's somethingamazing.
And, like you said, wordsmatter, and so I'm glad.
I'm glad that's something thatyou would go back.
You never know what people aregoing to say.
You know, sometimes I'm always,I'm always shocked by this
answer too.
So it's always great.
And then, finally, you know howdo you say success in Spanglish
(01:00:30):
.
You know what does success meanto you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Success to me.
When you said that I'm likelike exit, though, and like what
success means to me is whateverI want to live, whatever I
choose to live, whatever makesmy heart sing, um, what success
means to me is that it is.
It's about love, it's aboutbeing in peace and in harmony
with myself.
(01:00:53):
It's about constantly growingand understanding that if I say
something, when I say somethingto, to individuals, I say it
because it's from a place oflove where sometimes we get like
, oh my gosh, like she reallysaid that.
And it's like I say it becauseI love you.
I say it because I wantsomething for you.
I say it because I'm willing tobe uncomfortable in that, to
(01:01:18):
see whatever comes out for yourown good, to know that there's a
ripple effect.
So success means to me a lot ofthings.
It means living a happy life.
It means enjoying a moment yeah, it means enjoying a moment
with people.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Awesome.
Yeah, we talked a little bitearlier about the goalposts
constantly shifting sometimes,when what our definition of
success is, and until you justdo what you want and you're not
worried about you're not keepingup with the Joneses, you're
going to be much happier.
So, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you takingthe time to jump on here with me
(01:02:00):
and share your story.
It's been great.
Like I said, I've you've hit meover the head a few times and
made me go.
Yes, you know, so I hope otherswill listen in as well and get
the same feeling that I hadduring this interview.
But uh, if you want, you tellme you have.
Plug anything you want yourwebsites or whatever things
(01:02:20):
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Thank you, the Mindshift Game.
Look at it.
Look us up.
It's the mindshiftgamecom.
You can also look me up onLinkedIn.
We're on Facebook, instagram.
Check it out.
Call us, give us a call, sendus a message 303-587-8367,
303-587-8367,.
(01:02:41):
And take actions.
Live your life on your terms,create the life that you'd love
and desire, and it is possiblefor you to have what you desire.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Nice, awesome.
Well, thank you so much, rocio.
I really appreciate you takingthe time today and I look
forward to see what you havenext.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
And for everyone else listening.
Once again, thank you so muchfor joining me, and I hope you
join me again next time, as wecontinue to learn how to see
success in Spanish.
This is Raul Lopez, and you're listening to how Do
you Save Success in Spanglish.
The path to success isn't easyFor minorities and people of
color.
Many attempt this journey withlittle to no guidance.
Join me as I sit down withindividuals who share their
stories of perseverance so thattogether, we can learn how to
say success in Spanglish what'sgood, mi gente, welcome back.
(00:36):
It's your boy, raul.
This is how Do you Say Successin Spanglish, and today my guest
is Rocio Perez.
Rocio, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's going fantastic.
Thank you for having me on yourshow today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Definitely.
I appreciate you taking thetime, especially early morning,
for you over there to kind of goon here and talk with me, and
I'm really looking forward foryou to be able to share your
journey, your story.
You have a very inspirationaljourney that you're going to
tell us about, and so I'm reallyexcited to kind of learn and
kind of get some more info aboutthe things you offer.
(01:04):
So just to start off, a littlebackground about you.
Rocio is the creator of thefirst self-coaching system in
the world the MindShift System,the MindShift Game and the
MindShift Game TV show.
She is a global leader andsought-after life-changing
speaker, leadership trainer andauthor who has helped transform
people around the world.
Rocio's unique transformationalapproach meets people where
they are and guides them toexpand their awareness and boost
(01:26):
their confidence so they canintentionally create their
version of a happy, healthy andmeaningful life.
Rocio, that's pretty awesome.
It's great having someone thatlooks to improve people's life
and it's amazing how many peopleI find that are always looking
to help others, so I'm reallyglad to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Thank you so much for having me here today.
I'm excited to connect with theaudience and share the journey
to touch, move and inspirepeople to achieve their version
of a happy, healthy andmeaningful life.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and I think that's the goal for a lot of us.
So I guess, to start off, let'slearn a little bit about you.
Who is Rocio Perez?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, rocio Perez, icio Perez, I'm an author
speaker, leadership trainer, butI want to talk about my journey
.
Is that where we want to go?
Yeah, yeah journey of a littlegirl.
When I was growing up, I wasthat little girl that was so
excited.
I'm like someday I'm gonna growup and I'm gonna become a
teacher and I would run aroundwith my tattered books and I
would tell, like my Tio Sergio.
Tio Sergio someday I'm gonnagrow up to become a teacher.
(02:24):
And I would tell like my tíoSergio, tío, sergio, someday I'm
going to grow up to be ateacher.
And I felt like I spoke forhours and hours, but that was my
main focus.
I was that rare kid that wouldcry because I wanted to go to
school.
School was like the place thatI wanted to be.
I would speak with my olderbrother and say, hey brother,
what's your vision for thefuture?
This is what I'm going to be.
So always excited on the ABC,one, two, three, whatever.
(02:46):
I was always involved in thingsand very excited to be so.
Yet the reality was veryfar-fetched.
I grew up in extreme povertyand abuse.
I contemplated suicide at theage of five.
I ran away from home at 12, gotpregnant at 14.
And by the time I was 15 yearsold, I, instead of having a
quinceañera, I had a baby, andat that moment, knowing that I
(03:10):
was Latina, uneducated meniallabor my parents didn't care.
I was in an abusiverelationship with somebody.
Eight years my senior, I knewthat my son didn't stand a
chance.
So I went on and knocked ontothe community college of
Denver's doors so I can get intouniversity.
And I couldn't get in.
(03:30):
You know they had told me likeokay, you're 15 years old, you
can't come to university.
Subsequently make a long storyshort I went ahead and
emancipated myself from myparents.
I can go on to university.
Okay, a battle uphill both ways, yeah.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And it university.
Okay, a battle uphill both waysyeah yeah, I can imagine and it
seems like and first, thank youso much for sharing, and I know
we'll get into a little moreabout your journey.
But, like you said, a battleboth ways going up.
And so I guess, to kind ofstart off, there's a lot to
unpack with a lot of what you'vetalked about.
(04:04):
And so you said early on youhad to emancipate.
Um, was that before, after youwere you, you've had your, was
your son?
my son yeah, so was that before.
After you had to, you had yourson after I had my son okay, so
you had to.
Was the driving force foremancipation to get to school,
(04:25):
or was it also just acombination of everything?
I had to?
Kind of I had to get myself outof everything and move, and
only way to move forward was toget emancipated?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
All of the above.
And then I knew school was theonly way out.
Education, that power to keepmoving forward.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So it was education something you always want.
I know you said you alwayswanted to be a teacher, and was
that a driving factor that youhad internally, or was there
some sort of external factor?
You talked about a Theo.
Was there somebody in your lifethat kind of said college is
the way to go, or did you justkind of always knew?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I always knew.
It was always inside of me.
I wanted to make sure that Iwent on to university.
I never felt like I belonged inthe grades that I was in.
Okay, I was held back.
That's one reason the otherreason.
It was like I just didn't see itand I would do my uncle's
homework and he was in.
I was in the seventh grade andhe was in the 12th grade.
I I didn't see it as a pointfor me at that time to go
(05:19):
through high school and I wantedto make sure that I moved on as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I mean I also stayed back in.
I stayed back in first grade.
So I'm very used to the idea ofyou know, I kind of felt like
for me it was kind of a way tohelp me in the long run, because
I think I've succeeded a lotbetter with that stay back than
anything else.
And so you said you that youfelt that you needed the
education and that education wasan important factor of your
(05:47):
life.
But obviously you ran throughall these different challenges,
especially having a kid at anearly age, did that change your
trajectory or did you feel likeit helped give you that
motivation to get emancipatedand go to college?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
it definitely helped me because I knew my son didn't
stand a chance in the world andI needed to go out and create
that for us, for both of us, tomake sure that he had a better
future, that he didn't have tolive what I lived through as a
child, and so I grew up in abuse, domestic violence, alcoholism,
you just name it.
It was not a good place to be.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No, definitely, definitely and so when you said
you became, you went after youemancipated, you tried to go
into college.
You were 15.
What was that path like to getinto college at that point?
Did you have to go get a GEDand then try to get into school,
or you know how did that work?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That was an interesting journey.
Thank you for asking that.
I actually had to wait until Iwas accepted, and I wouldn't be
accepted until I was 16.
Started university at 17 and Ididn't even have a GED back then
.
Remember, this is literallyexactly 30 years ago that this
happened 33, forget 30,.
(07:07):
It was 33 years old, my son'snow 33.
And so it's fascinating to seethat along the way.
But yes, that's what I did.
I went ahead and went on touniversity.
I did well, and there was apoint in time where they were
asking me it's like okay, youcan't go any further unless you
get your GED, and that at theage of 19,.
(07:28):
That's what I did.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And you're doing all this while being a teenage mom,
dealing with all this, what wasgoing through your mind at this
point?
Well, you know, I know you talkabout mind shift and you know
what was the mindset of ateenager at this point having to
deal with what most adultswould find difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, for me there was only one path forward, and
that was education.
I looked at it as there'ssomething in front of me that's
pulling me towards it.
I knew that I had to do it, somuch so that I'd go to bed at 3
o'clock in the morning sometimes, or get up at 3, depending
where it was at.
Sometimes I'd sleep very littletwo, three hours a night.
Get up at three, dependingwhere it was at.
Sometimes I'd sleep very littletwo, three hours a night.
(08:07):
Get up the next morning by fouro'clock.
I'm walking down the streetwith a two-year-old in my arms,
diaper bag and a backpack tomake a four-hour round trip just
to get to school in the morning.
Just to school in the morning.
Okay, forget about like schooltime.
That was simply it was was aneight hour trip a day.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oh wow, you said the school was.
The school wasn't very far fromyou then.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It wasn't very far.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I only afford to pay $10 a day for somebody to take
care of myself.
Oh, okay, so you had to dealwith all that I had to deal with
like make the sacrifice of timeand energy to be able to make
it happen, and so I had to gofrom literally, the school was
20 minutes walking distance fromwhere I lived.
Yet I had to go to another studyso my son could be taken care
(08:53):
of and then make it touniversity and if I had time I
would eat my cold burrito thatmade it three o'clock in the
morning.
Walking across campus, it'slike, okay, I didn't have many
choices.
What I did see is manyopportunities.
And that's what kept me movingforward.
It's like I knew I was in theclassroom.
I knew I was at a disadvantagebecause they would say things
(09:14):
and I'm like I don't know whatthey're saying.
But I did invest my time intothe library and figuring out
things that they were talkingabout and I excelled in school.
That's the great thing.
I did excel in school.
I did catch on relativelyquickly.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, that's awesome.
I know there's a relativeresourcefulness with Latinos and
Latinas when it comes to beingable to do things and not only
do them but do them cheap andwithin your budget and figure
out a way, and I know that'ssomething you probably had to
learn early on in life and likeand what were some of the things
(09:52):
that you had to like, really,that you found really difficult
during that phase of your life?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, I think that the most difficult time was
where my family didn't believein me.
I remember having a cousin whowould always tell me she's like
well, you think you're all goodjust because you're going to
university, but like welfarewould pay for mine if I want to
go.
So there was that competitionfrom her end and, you know, the
(10:19):
rest of the family like it isincreíble.
You think you're better than us, and even my own mother at the
time.
It was like heartbreaking,incredible.
You think you're better than us, and even my own mother at the
time.
It was like heartbreaking,because my mother would say,
like you should be home takingcare of your son.
You're gonna fail, you should bewith your husband, and probably
I had left my abusive partnerand I just wanted to keep moving
(10:39):
forward.
I think one of the major thingsthat it kept me moving forward
was my thoughts.
It's like like you've got thisRocio, you've got this Rocio and
I remember even teaching thatto my son as well Like you can
move forward.
A little engine that could onlytell a little cute story.
I remember one day I think Iwas almost 20 years old and I
(11:00):
was exhausted.
I was working two jobs and goingto university full time, Didn't
even have a car.
I was cleaning homes a coupleof days a week and mentoring
students to get into throughuniversity and then going to
school myself.
And so I come home in themiddle of the day and I need to
take him to the doctor and I'mexhausted and he's like mom,
carry me, and we're going upthis hill and I'm like I can't
(11:23):
carry him.
And I also knew at that agethat it wasn't his fault what we
were going through.
He was not to blame by anystretch of the imagination and
that.
I had to find a way tocommunicate with him that would
be subtle enough to move himforward and for it to be a
pleasant experience.
I started telling him, like son, there was this little engine
(11:45):
and a little engine that could,and it's going off.
And so I'm telling him this,this journey, and then we get
all the way up the hill.
No need to discuss anything.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Simply a fun, engaging experience where both
of our needs got met.
He got up the hill and I got upthe hill too, being exhausted,
and still made it through nice,yeah, that it's.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
as someone who's a parent, uh, right now, um, with
my 11 year old, uh, I'm alwayscontemplating and thinking about
the life lessons I'm teachingher, um, and the life lessons
that were different from whatwas taught to me, and not even
just what, but how they weretaught to me.
You know and I think you made agreat point of saying that he
was not to blame where lots oftimes parents in difficult
(12:35):
situations find a scapegoat forit and sometimes all that
pressure puts on the kids.
So you know, and so when youwere raising your son,
especially being so young anddealing with all this stuff, how
did you try to find thatbalance of being able to raise
and teach those life lessonswhile still dealing with your
(12:57):
own set of youth lessons thatyou were dealing with?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's a very great question.
I just did it.
I made a conscious choice to doit as a very young person and
years prior I remember being 13years old and looking at the
situations in my family and I'mlike I can see the things, I can
connect the dots and see whatthe outcomes are.
And so I made a veryintentional decision, way before
(13:24):
I had children, when I wasprobably nine or 10, said if I
ever have kids, I want to makesure that my children are happy,
right, that they're loved andrespected.
Like I know these things, andso being very intentional was
the key.
It's like I wanted.
I didn't raise a child and,being very specific, I nurtured
(13:48):
a man.
I nurtured the man that Iwanted him to be.
I knew that what I said diddidn't do would impact him in
the long run, and so I wanted tomold a happy, healthy,
nurturing, empathetic individualwho valued women and family.
Here we go, that's who I raised, that's who I molded into be
(14:09):
that man that he became that'sawesome and was a lot of that
motivation.
Just I don't want the cycle tobe repeated right, and because I
knew inside him and I believethat we all know this inside of
ourselves that it is something,that it's intrinsic within all
of us.
We may lose touch with it.
I think it's common for allhumanity that we know that
(14:32):
there's something better andthat we can create it.
Sometimes, we lose track of itbecause of poverty, abuse,
pressure, stress, whatever thatis.
For me, it's like a moment toself-regulate.
Just think about it, take, takea breath, figure it out.
Children are not to blame.
Let's move forward.
Why?
Because I was blamed my wholelife as a child how did it
(14:55):
impact me?
well, I didn't even think.
You know, my mother used to sayyou're the ugliest person ever.
You know, I'm doing a dumpster,like all those things that
impacted me.
Was it stress?
Yes, did she hate her life?
Yes, you know, she wanted morefor herself and all of a sudden,
you know, she finds herselffast forward, stuck with five
(15:17):
children that she didn't evenwant to begin with.
Nobody asked her right, nobodychecked in with her, and I feel
like when we sacrifice ourselvesfor that which we don't even
desire, we end up resenting thatas well.
Even if we desire a family, weget caught up in the thick of
thin things where we're not evenconscious that our words or
(15:38):
actions or physiology orconnection or lack thereof,
impacts for children.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah, kids are a sponge.
Every word matters, everyaction matters and sometimes we
don't think about that becauseas adults, we can interpret
things and they just absorb them.
So it's being reallyintentional, I think for me has
been always really important,like how I say things and what I
say.
For all of that and you know,obviously we're here now.
(16:07):
You made it through, I made it,you made it through.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Myself made it, I made it, we both made it yeah
exactly, and so you moved onfrom what was that?
The community college, and thenyes, where you I went on to.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Went on to University of Colorado Denver and I was
actually mentoring students toget into on our campus there's a
community college, communitycollege Denver mental state, and
then we also had the Universityof Colorado Denver.
I was actually taking classesand encouraging my students to
take classes in the four-yearinstitutions at the community
(16:44):
college level in price, and soby the time I went on to the
university I only had a fewcourses to go and to get through
it.
You know what I think sometimesthe things that we don't talk
about impact us los sacrificios,the sacrifices that we do for
our family.
I literally almost lost myentire education based on
(17:08):
wanting to support andcommitting to support my younger
siblings and getting them outof trouble and figuring out to
make sure that they didn't fallin those footsteps that other
family members had fallen.
And literally this is the firsttime I actually started publicly
here on an interview, and thatwas that I almost got kicked out
of school.
It publicly here on aninterview, and that was that I
(17:30):
almost got kicked out of school.
I literally had like a 1.7.
I don't even remember what itwas.
And between working a full-timejob, working, you know, trying
to save teenagers and put themon the right path, keep them out
of prison let's just be honestright Out there and then raising
a child as a single mother,it's not any easy task for a 22
(17:52):
year old to handle.
And and I made a decision atthat time I was working I
stepped out and said, hey, letme focus.
Like this has been my dream.
Yes, it's been difficult, yes,and whatever, and yes, it's
worth it, it's my dream, I mustbring it to fruition, and that's
when I ended up quitting my job.
(18:13):
I resigned from my job and tookout loans and went on and
finished my schooling.
I was semesters away.
I couldn't throw it away.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, and it's a very mature move.
That is really difficult and Ithink most people don't
understand.
When they think college, theythink, oh, it's easy, you just
go to class and do nothing elseall day, when really no matter
what level not even includingthe additional stuff you're
dealing with as a single parenttrying to make ends meet um, you
(18:43):
know college is difficult.
College is a lot of stress.
There's a lot of timecommitment.
There's a lot of timecommitment.
There's a lot of things that goon.
I mean myself, another onethat's also had to deal with a
shitty GPA and almost gettingkicked out of school, having a
whole bunch of loans to get out.
But there's the differencebetween a short-term goal and a
long-term goal, and lots oftimes people focus and say, hey,
you're wasting your time.
(19:03):
You could be working right now,when you're like, oh, I know
this is going to drive me to thefuture.
So you know, it's great to hearthat, despite all of that, you
know you focused on thatlong-term goal.
And how did you always have along-term goal mindset?
Or is that something that youslowly had to build?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know, that's something that I've always had.
Even as a little child, I knewthat I could live a better life,
that parents are supposed tolove and care for their children
.
Even as a little girl, I knewthat education was the way out
and the way forward.
I've always had this visionthat continues to pull me
forward.
You know, call it God's source,call it universe, call it what
(19:40):
you will, and it's like may yama.
It continues to call me towardsit and it's something that's
inside of me that wakes me up inthe middle of the night.
It's when, I have my greatestdownloads.
Okay, rocio, take out the phoneor take out the piece of paper,
start writing.
You know, there's so much it'slike and here we go there's.
There's something inside of mysoul that pulls me towards the
(20:04):
betterment of humanity.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Nice, nice, yeah, and you talk about the betterment
of humanity.
It's like you're dealing withall this stuff in your life, all
these challenges, all theseobstacles.
You're struggling, you'rebarely making it through and you
still decided, hey, I'm goingto try to encourage other people
to improve their lives.
Did you always have thatfeeling, or is that always a
driving factor to not justimprove your life, but improve
other people's lives?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It was always a factor.
As a matter of fact, in mymid-teens, my family would call
me Grandma, would call me Auntsand uncles would call me to get
advice from me.
Okay, mind you, I was 15, 16,17 years old and they're calling
me for advice.
It was something that's alwaysbeen inside of me, that desire
to help people.
By the time I was 19, I wasmentoring students to get into,
(20:47):
through university and so forth,so it's something that's always
been in my heart.
It's something that I lovewatching people thrive.
I love watching people have whatthey want out of life.
Some people come to me.
They may be in their twentiesand they just want to get
through university or get thatjob or raise a family.
But also people come to me Iwork with people that are from
(21:08):
zero.
I work with children very young, from zero to 80 years of age.
The oldest student I graduatedwas 80 years old.
So you can only imagine howpeople come up and I think we
all have regrets, and that's oneof the things.
It doesn't matter how old weare, it doesn't matter what
background we come from.
It doesn't matter if we had aloving family or not a loving
(21:28):
family.
We all have something thatholds us back from wherever it
is that we desire to be, and forme, it's like I just want to
stop that pain for people.
I want them to live theirversion of a happy, healthy,
wealthy life and to live from aplace of joy, to have that peace
that I didn't have because Iwas in survival mode.
(21:49):
I was what I call in highthriving survival mode.
Yes, you, I was on tv.
Yes, I was doing all thesethings.
Yes, I was educated and I wasstill in survival mode and what
is that like?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
thriving survival, survival, and how does that
affect how people act and react?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
right, okay, well, for the way that it showed up
for me.
I think that's a good way.
I'd invite people to reflect onwhat it is that I say and then
reflect on their life to see,like for me, it was like okay, I
gotta go to school because myson needs to be educated.
Right, he needs to haveopportunities.
I need to go to work because weit's important for us to have a
great place to live, a stableplace.
(22:31):
I didn't come from a stablebackground.
My father would come in somedays and say, hey, we're moving,
and it wasn't like the moversare coming or anything, it's
like we're leaving.
Yeah, okay, get in the car,we're leaving, that's it.
You're not taking anything withyou.
So for me it was important, andso that survival mode led me to
excel in university.
(22:52):
Right, although I almost gotkicked out.
Yes, my GPAs were like 3.8before all the stuff that was
falling apart before my eyes.
It led me to get additionaleducation.
It led me, it pulled me forwardwhere other people around me in
my environment, even othereducated individuals, weren't
(23:12):
doing the same thing.
What that looks like for someof us for me it was Rocio is
only focused on the goal.
That's it.
We're focused on the goal.
The family.
That's it.
There's nothing else.
There was not much ofentertainment or friends or
whatever it there's nothing else.
There was not much ofentertainment or friends or
whatever.
And it's almost like thatdriving force.
(23:33):
Although it's great to beaccomplishing things, I was
missing out of my humanity andI'm going to share one pivotal
moment in my life thateverything just shifted.
I was 33 years old.
I was on top of the world.
I had the house, the car, thekid, the everything.
My son was graduated from highschool.
I had graduated from university.
We had built a home from theground up.
(23:54):
I had built a business, twobusinesses, and I was an
inventor and I was like,enjoying the process.
And then I realized at one pointI'm like, I feel unfulfilled.
My son left home and I'm like,what again?
(24:21):
This for Right?
What was all this struggle for?
What was all the sacrifice forto build this?
And he's no longer at home.
So I felt like empty.
There was an emptiness insideof me, literally, as I turned 34
, it's like the universe knockedon my door and said OK, rocio,
are you ready?
Are you ready to wake up?
You've been numbing yourself.
I had numbed myself and Ididn't even know it At that
point.
I had been diagnosed with abrain tumor 13 days after my
34th birthday.
(24:42):
I was in the ER the eve of mybirthday and to understand, and
it's like, okay, how does mylife shift?
And I remember the next morningwaking up and I was like a
driver Okay, son, you're goingto go, you're going to do your
PhD.
We lived in a collegeuniversity city because I wanted
him to go to university, allthese things.
(25:02):
And then that next morning Ilived in Boulder, colorado, on
the North side of it morning.
I lived in Boulder, colorado,on the north side of it.
I looked over my home, lookedover the flat irons, and I'm
looking over this beautifulrocks and I'm like para que,
para que I haven't lived.
You know, my son was sleepingin the living room and I'm like
there's no need to stress himout.
It's like just let him be, likelet him in his humanity.
(25:25):
He doesn't have to go out anddo things to be happy, he can
just be happy.
And I remember walking up thestairs and again I'm looking
over the flat irons and saying,okay, this is the first day of
my life, this is the day that Iget to live by intention and
with intention it's no longerit's like, hey, all these goals
(25:47):
I need to accomplish.
And yes, there's a major pointin that.
What I would love people tounderstand is that trauma leads
us to numbing Part of successand part of driving so hard in
that high thriving survival modeis numbing ourselves.
See, when my son left, I hadnothing.
(26:10):
I found myself in the middle ofthe night crying in the parking
lot next to my office because Iwas just alone.
And then, when fast forward togo heal myself, I left to San
Diego and in that time I'm likeI didn't know how to create from
love, although I had made thatcommitment on October 20th of
(26:33):
2009,.
I didn't know how to createfrom love.
It was just like okay, it wasalmost like proving the world,
proving my family wrong, provingeverything wrong, and it wasn't
until that point.
It's like I don't know how tocreate from love.
I don't know how to create frombeing in a place of not
surviving, and, and so that wasthe hardest shift, the hardest
(27:00):
mind shift that I had to do andto transform the way that I was
thinking, because it was nolonger my son driving me, it was
no longer poverty driving me,it was no longer education
driving me, it was no longerbusiness driving me.
Now I had to drive from.
I have a place, I have a choice.
(27:20):
How do I start to build fromthat?
That was the hardest journey.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Thank you for sharing all that.
And I have to say I mean, um, wetalked before, but you know,
I've had my own health issuesthat, I think, hit me in a
similar fashion, where it's likeyou spend all your time and
it's kind of what helped medrive with this show where
you're driving for this unknowngoal of what I think success is,
(27:49):
and you get there and it's notenough and you go, move forward
and you keep moving thosegoalposts and you keep moving
those goalposts and you're neverhappy and you're always chasing
, and then something knocks youon your ass and you have to
reflect and what's become moreimportant?
And when I was in college Istruggled with a lot of stuff,
with a lot of stuff, and theycame a point where I started
(28:11):
doing a much better in college.
And that was when I stoppedgiving a shit, like I stopped
worrying and I stopped caring,where you know, oh, I'm going to
hand this paper in late, causeif I hand it in today I'm going
to fail.
And then my a minus goes downto a B plus.
Well, I would have got a D if Ididn't, if I handed it on time.
But I stopped giving a shit andslowly I stopped stressing and
(28:31):
I stopped in my mindset change.
Like you said, the mind shiftof what helped me get better was
not continually doing the samething over again and wondering
why and so and so uh so you know, I'm just sorry, I just
uh, not, not really a question,it was just more reflection on
what you were.
I'm just sorry, I just uh, notreally a question, it was just
more reflection on what you weretelling me.
(28:52):
It's just like, yeah, I, I feltthat way and now that I'm here
and I had to question how manymore years I have in this world
I keep talking about I'm tryingto squeeze out as many extra
years as I can, and what is themeaning that I'll be leaving
behind when I move forward?
So you know, I just have toreflect on what you were saying,
because it hits me, hits mehard, the words you're saying,
(29:12):
because I'm I'm dealing withthat right now as well.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, it's fascinating when we come across
that point again, 34 years oldthat day, the next day, 14 days
after my birthday, and thinkingthis is the first day of my life
.
First of all, the doctor toldme on the 19th, same day that I
was MRI'd, same day that I wastalked with.
(29:37):
I demanded to speak with thedoctor and I started to see all
the things that were important.
Number one the doctor said youcould have a stroke and die any
moment.
And I'm like wow, like what amI gonna do?
What am I gonna dedicate mylife to?
How do I?
How do I live with intention?
and I remember my best friendwas there that morning when the
(29:59):
doctors called me and said, hey,you, you have a rare brain
tumor and, uh, you can die anymoment.
And I'm like, okay, um, thankyou, uh, let's, let's deal with
it as a business transaction.
That's survival yeah survival tothe core.
That's that's disconnectingfrom our humanity.
I disconnected from my humanity, I disconnected from my
(30:19):
feelings and I remember going,uh, immediately to my friend.
I'm like, okay, like all thethings that I was putting off,
that I didn't think they werethat important, like I had
reconnected with the brother, Ihad just found out that I had
nieces, and it's like I want togo get me a plane ticket, I want
to leave, I want to go see mybrother, I want to go meet my
(30:41):
nieces for the first time.
I want to do this.
That the other, like all thethings that were important were
now at the forefront.
Why did I have to wait untilbeing faced with death to be
able to do that?
That was the hardest thing.
And then fast forwarding comingback to San Diego on June 16th
2011,.
(31:02):
I'm there in San Diego and I'mlike okay you know, what do I do
do now?
what do I do with my life?
And then people are calling melike Rocio, I need your energy,
and like they want me to coachthem.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, howcan these people that I help
mold have a better life than Ido?
And I wasn't talking about thetime, the energy, the money, the
resources, the education, theaccolades of the achievement.
(31:25):
What I wanted was my mother'slove.
I literally would have packedeverything and put it in a box
and said here you go, you canhave it all, as long as you can
give me my mother's love.
And that was the beginning ofmy journey.
That was the beginning of myjourney of learning, of healing,
of understanding that it wasn'ther love that I wanted.
(31:50):
It was my love.
I didn't love myself and Ididn't even know it.
From the outside it lookedperfect.
Rosia lived like a princess.
The clothes, the, whatever, theband-aids let's just put them
that's what they are.
It's band-aids to covereverything.
Put them like that's what theyare.
It's band-aids to covereverything up.
And I was so numb that at thatpoint, when I started to realize
(32:14):
I put myself into my owncoaching system, I had realized
nobody's ever coached me.
You know, I've been coachingand helping people, like, get me
out.
Nobody's helped me.
Like, how do I continue to moveforward and help myself in a
way that is productive for me?
That's where this whole mindshift journey began for me in a
(32:34):
very different way.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Nice.
And so, jessica, quickbacktrack Health-wise your tumor
did everything turn out okaywith that.
Or are you still dealing withit.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's a great question the tumors and remission.
I had a high dose of radiation,only able to have once and that
was it, and from that pointforward, it's whatever it is.
The only thing that I know isthat I get to live my life the
way that I choose to live mylife and, um, I've choose to
live my life and I've been askedthat question many times, like
(33:11):
Rocio, like what are you doingon the stage?
And if you don't know what'shappening, does it really matter
?
Does it really matter?
It's like it's not how I diedthat mattered, it's how I lived
matters, and I live.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I choose to live full out and so and so what came
next?
After you starting your lifeover day one, you're moving
forward.
What's next?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
day one.
Here I am again in San Diegoand I was like, when I made that
realization, nobody's evercoached me and I decided to turn
coaching onto myself.
I started learning from a lotof different people.
I went to many differentworld-renowned experts and
learning here, there, and then Irecognized that nobody had the
(33:56):
secret answer.
I knew that if I didn't resolvewhatever was inside of me and
it had nothing to do with healthalthough there was a brain
tumor that could have killed meit didn't have to do anything
with health.
It's like that.
It had to do with whatever wasunresolved.
And oh boy, let me tell youlike life peaked its ugly head
(34:17):
in ways that I could have neverimagined, where I was seeing the
trauma, and it's like I had to.
I had to dance with my trauma.
I had to see my.
I didn't even see them likeprior to that.
I was like, oh, my parents didthe best that they could with
what they had.
No, I was scared.
They did the worst they couldwith what they had and in the
way that really impacted me as ahuman being and really could
(34:41):
have let me um an enigma, Icould have been dead, way you
know, in my teens because ofthat.
Really, looking at it, I putmyself into this personal
development arena.
I discovered that nobody hadthe answer, that the answer was
within me, all of the answerswere within me.
(35:01):
And then I started coachingmyself.
I would walk around and I'm likeI'm telling my clients you have
a problem, your father didn'tshow love to you.
How about you show it toyourself?
What didn't you hear?
And I'm like, what about you,rocio?
And so I started looking,literally, I started looking in
the mirror and I'm like, hey,rocio, by the way, I'm like I
love you, little girl, like allthe things I never heard from my
(35:24):
family, from my mother orfather.
Like hey, little girl, you'reamazing.
Hey, little girl, we're soproud of you.
And I'm like, hasta que me lacreí Until I started to affirm
as I affirmed, I confirmed, andwhen it was confirmed, then this
whole new being emerged and ittook what it took.
(35:44):
It took what it took and I waslike.
I was like the pit bull thatgrabs on so hard that it's not
going to let go until it getswhat it wants.
That was me.
There was no way in the worldthat I was not going to see my
son ever again, because I knewit would kill me.
I'm not sure if you know thestatistics right now.
They've discovered that the vastmajority of diseases have to do
(36:07):
with unresolved trauma andemotions.
They're stuck in the body.
They just manifest as disease.
And so I went through thisamazing transformation.
I started journaling like I hadnever journaled before.
I started doing my affirmations, I started doing physical
(36:27):
exercises to retrain my mind andmy body, and then I started
teaching that to others.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
It's at the Affirmation Prize it's.
We talked about kids and howthey're.
Sponges and words andeverything matter, but as adults
they still matter.
And sometimes just sayingsimple things, like as adults
they still matter.
And sometimes just sayingsimple things like you said I
love myself, I love you.
You know what I mean.
Or you're doing great.
Those little affirmations.
Eventually you start to believethem, and so it's a great thing
(36:59):
, and I guess this kind of goesinto what we're.
What we'll go into next, Iguess, is with your mind shift
system.
And how did that evolve fromwhat you were doing?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Well.
So, because the system was sosuccessful and I was teaching it
to people and my commitment onOctober 20th 2009 was to serve
humanity in a different way itwas at that moment is that I
owned my guess although I hadbeen coaching, I never had seen
it as a job, or I never had seenit as a career for myself.
I was like something that I do.
It's like I'm naturallycompetent at it.
Doesn't everybody know this?
And then when I embraced it, Isaid, wow, I helped myself.
(37:42):
I was helping clients.
I was watching people transcendtheir limitations and
post-perceived limitationsBecause we also have perceived
limitations and I immersedmyself into studying.
You know, when they said 10,000hours, well, I would have
probably multiplied that by 10itself, and I was like studying
and listening to audio andreading books and taking
(38:05):
conferences, and that's one ofthe things that helped me.
So I said, okay, now you'rehelping yourself, you're helping
others, but what happens to thepeople that cannot afford it?
What if the people?
If they don't have time, theymay have money.
If they don't, if they havemoney, they don't have time to
wait, or you know, whether it'stime or money or energy or
(38:26):
whatever, like?
It shouldn't be the case thatonly the people who could afford
it or have the time that can doit and coach themselves, and
it's like, oh.
So again, turning coaching ontoourselves, I created the
MindShift game.
It's part of the MindShiftsystem and part of the MindShift
system helps people do the verythings that I have been doing,
(38:48):
naturally, as a little child.
That's how I survive, tellingmyself that I could.
So it's about taking courageousactions.
Courageous actions lead intoboosting your confidence.
Boosting your confidence leadsinto discovering your vision,
your mission.
Not mother, father, teacher,preacher's vision.
Not because I'm a first gen,does that mean that I get to
(39:09):
follow somebody else's dream.
I have a dream and then intothat is like really stepping
into our power and having thoseconversations, doing the things
that are important, and thenstepping into our energy, owning
it as the life and the worlddepends on it, because it does.
Our life depends on it, and soall of these are affirmation
(39:32):
cards where and I'm going toread a couple of them I take
charge of every moment, in everyarea of my life.
How powerful is that?
As people read it over and over, just like I did, these are
very, very intentional and.
I share very intentional,because I spent months with an
entire team working on everysingle word that we put on here.
(39:53):
As a matter of fact, last nightI was at a in an organizational
event and someone told me wow,you know, I'm doing my
affirmations as well and they'regreat.
And they started sharing theiraffirmations and I've heard this
many, many times and expectingsomething positively, and they
(40:16):
thought, because simply theywere doing affirmations that
they were perfect.
Well, we start to affirm,affirm, affirm.
Something that's negative, likeif I keep on saying hey, I'm
never going to steal, I'm nevergoing to steal or I'm never
going to hurt somebody.
Just repeat after me, say thatphrase without the word no.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You said I'm never goodness.
It was replaced with with no,I'm going to steal that's
exactly what we're saying, right.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
We cannot not think of something right.
And when people like I'm nevergoing to give up on my dreams,
it's like you're programming.
I'm going to give up on mydreams because the mere fact
that you're actually saying thatis actually programming you.
And for me, I'm very, veryintentional on what I hear.
It's like it's almost likesomebody says something negative
(41:02):
.
It screeches in my soul and myears.
It's like like chalk on thechalkboard and so we created
this entire deck of cards sothat people can go ahead and
program themselves.
It's like, because we do everysingle day, we're already
programming ourselves.
Why not be intentional about it?
Why not program ourselves?
Why not play a game that's funand easy and exciting?
(41:24):
And then you start to seeyourself shift and your energy
shift, and people around you'relike hey, what happened to you?
Marcos, maria, you know, paco,what's going on with you?
You know you look great.
I always hear people likeyou're glowing.
I'm like life is great.
So that the game comes with aguide that teaches people like
(41:45):
start wherever you want to start.
You get to choose where youwant to start, and then it has a
journal and the journal walksyou through an entire process
every day, starting withgratitude, self-efficacy we're
one of the only, if not the only, people in the world that talk
about self-efficacy and that'shelping people self-regulate,
(42:06):
it's getting out of thatsurvival mode.
Human being, we can throwourselves into survival mode
simply by thought alone.
We could even do it bybreathing, can do it by
physiology.
Simple, you know, I can showyou somebody you know.
Show me right here, right now,what does a person look like
when they're depressed?
(42:27):
physiology yeah, I don't knowand most of the time it's like
and this is as fast, because Ido this on a global scale.
I'm like show mephysiologically what a person
looks like when they go intodepression.
It's that fast.
So, if I understand thatdepression can also be and, mind
(42:50):
you, there are people who doneed some support in different
ways but sometimes it's also ourphysiology that takes us into
depression.
How we hold our body, how we'rebreathing, the thoughts that
we're thinking.
Our thoughts tell our body whatto feel.
Our body tells our mind what tothink.
And this is this vicious circle, and so my goal in life is to
(43:14):
help people take control oftheir life, take charge of their
life, to live the life thatthey came here to live, which is
to be happy to enjoy it, to bein peace and harmony.
Yes, there's stress.
Stress only means that there'sgrowth.
When there's prolonged stress,that's where disease comes from.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
That's survival mode, even if you're high, thriving
yeah, yeah, I really like the,especially the aspect you're
talking about, like the removingthe negative connotations and
stuff, cause it's, you know,every parent is a lead, a coach
to their kid, kind of deal.
You know you're constantlytrying to teach them lessons and
(43:54):
show them, hopefully, things toimprove their lives, and one of
the things I like to do with mydaughter is make sure she
doesn't trying to teach themlessons and show them, hopefully
, things to improve their lives,and one of the things I like to
do with my daughter is makesure she doesn't fear challenges
and failures.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
So that you know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So for her it's like she tells me I can't do this.
I'm like it's not that youcan't do this, it's just you
don't have enough experience tomake it easy for you.
But if you keep, working at ityou'll get there, you know.
So it's so.
It's constantly like sayingtelling her, hey, these are just
challenges that are going toimprove your life, they're not
something you can't do.
And uh, she's gotten better.
Like, she's big on soccer.
(44:27):
She's like, oh, maybe I shouldtry out for the select team
because it'll be more of achallenge and I think I'll get
better doing this harder levelstuff, and so I see it slowly
building up on her and so I can,like you know, like you said,
it's like these little thingsthat build up to these big
(44:47):
changes, that your game, I think, hopefully gives people that
opportunity to to slowlyincorporate these tasks, that
eventually they might not needthe game anymore because they're
doing it on their own.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
And they start to do it on their own.
And here's something that'smagical about the game it's
played in eight week rounds,played every day, three times a
day, every day, three times aday.
You're developing a patternthat you're right in time and
the perfect time for you,because it also depends on your
intensity, right and yourcommitment and what you get to
do in the perfect time for you,based on what you're, the effort
(45:20):
that you're putting into it,that you'll be there.
It's like automatic.
It's automatic, it's automatic.
It's like I get to do this.
I want to share a quick storybecause I think it's fun.
You talked about fear and thatwas one of the things that I,
when I was molding my son, Iwanted to make sure that he was
solid.
And now, with my grandchildren,I remember my grandson was
(45:41):
about 18 months old and I puthim up in the air and he's like
I could feel him shake and I'mlike not under my, not under my
watch, okay, because I know theimpact of what's going to happen
, and I remember, as he wasgrowing up, I would teach him.
He's like I want to go on themonkey bars and I'm like you got
this.
Repeat after me.
I've got this, I got this, Igot this.
(46:02):
And there was a point in timewhen, right pre-COVID literally
pre-COVID, it was that Februaryhe was four years old, going on
five, and I'm like catch.
You know, we're playing catchand he couldn't catch.
(46:22):
And he's like catching likethis.
I'm like it's not a beach ball,right, so he's not going to
catch.
And by the end of that visithe's catching like this.
Next time I come around I'mlike let's go play catch.
And he's like no, I can't getit.
And I'm like nope.
Those are like let me share withyou a little child.
I'm like, okay, I see that Iget to change that in him, I get
to mold something in him.
And I'm like, okay, repeatafter me.
And he was always he was usedto repeating after me.
(46:43):
And I'm like I've got this.
And so he's standing and I havevideo of this.
He's standing up there and he'slike I've got this, I've got
this, I've got this.
And I saw him get into the peakstate and I got I threw over
the little hacky sack and hecaught it for the first time.
And I'm like recording him andhe's like let me see, let me see
, let me see.
And he caught almost everysingle time after.
Why?
(47:03):
Because he got into a peakstate of mind.
He went from the I can't, whichare the most dangerous words
that I consider in the world, toI can't and I got this yeah,
it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
It's funny.
I love talking to you today, bythe way, because you keep
telling these stories, and ithits me with something that I've
dealt with too, where it's likeyou know, sometimes you read
something at the right time andit kind of changes your
perspective.
Everything.
And like early, like after mydaughter was born, I just
happened to see an article thattalked about teaching kids to
take risks at an early age, evenon a monkey bar, where they're
(47:41):
afraid to climb up to thehighest bar.
And teaching them to take thatrisk and move forward builds the
stepping stones that will leadto more successful adults.
Because they're not afraid oftaking risks.
As adults, they're not afraidto start that company or apply
for that job or go to thoseclasses or learn something new.
Because at an early age they'velearned to deal with the idea
(48:02):
that risk could bring reward andthey're not scared of it.
And that whole concept, likeyou say with with your grandson,
where it's like I can't, Ican't, I can't.
I mean, I'm the same way andit's like you're solely teaching
them, encouraging them to saythere's no such thing as you
can't.
I tell the time.
There's no such thing as youcan't, it's just you haven't
gotten enough experience to makeit easy.
Yet you know what I mean andyou're getting there.
So I love and, like I said,it's been great today talking to
(48:24):
you, because you keep hittingme over the head with stuff that
I'm like, yes, yes, I feel thatI love that.
So so it's obviously you haveyour game and then you also have
you have, for the Mindshiftsystem, a university.
You're starting a university.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
We have a university and it launches today.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
It's launching today and it's beautiful.
It's like we have it both inEnglish and Spanish.
It's about how to be confidentwith you.
How do we overcome fear?
How do we embrace our actuallyeven embracing?
Even our own imposter syndromecan help us.
There's a time to use it,there's a time to not.
There's a time to be aware.
There's a time not to be awareof things and there's a time to
(49:06):
embrace things.
So what we're doing is helpingpeople being more confident in
and achieving what they want toachieve.
So we have the MindShiftUniversity buses on
psychological safety, changemanagement, confident being you,
seeing your blind spots,figuring out where you've been
and how you move forward, andthen we also have our books of a
book series.
This is unstoppable.
(49:27):
This is a workbook that helpspeople achieve what they want to
achieve.
You can go through this book amillion times, and a million
times you will find somethingnew because you're constantly
involving.
And we have that one in spanish,and then you know this is one
(49:47):
of our books, the hispanicjourney.
And then this is our latestbook right here, which is these
are stories from mind and soul,from that strength that we draw.
These are 22 co-authors,including myself, across the
nation that have made acommitment to helping our youth,
to helping people see theresilience of our gente.
(50:11):
How do we move forward?
So everything that we do is tohelp people achieve the life
that they desire, whether it'sthrough our books, through our
games, through our keynotes,through our coaching, through
any of our products and services.
We also have a TV show calledthe Mind Shift Game TV show.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Nice.
And what is that TV show?
Is it like people playing thegame, or is it like it's
actually people listening to thecoaching aspect get coaching.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
It's on one of the an amazing platform called expand
itv.
It's like the netflix coachingworld oh nice so, which is
really neat.
So I share thoughts andinsights on how people can
continue to move forward.
You know, anytime that you cando work one-on-one with us or as
a group, it's always very, verybeneficial.
(51:02):
And then you know as you see itright, it's like watching
something on YouTube.
Is it the same thing.
Oh, it's great.
And the in-person.
I want to be in the concert, Iwant to listen to the
conversation, I want to feel themusic and the vibes, and that
changes.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Nice and so, with everything that you guys are
doing and that you know all thehelp you're providing people,
you know what's, what's some ofthe biggest takeaway that you
want people to realize that comefor these.
You know mind shift game andthe mind shift system and your
leadership and your, yourcoaching.
You know what's one of thebiggest things you guys like to
emphasize.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
That you can do this, that any one of us can
transform our lives at any givenpoint in time.
Our minds are malleable.
Our minds can shift over andover again.
The earlier we do it, theyounger we do it.
It's going to be easier.
It's easier for me to coachsomebody that's 10 years old
versus somebody that's 30 or 40years old.
(51:58):
It's there's a difference,right, I think, about it being
as concrete the older we are.
You know, there's a layer ofconcrete, layer of concrete,
layer of concrete, and in time,that layer of concrete's going
to look like this thick, right?
You know, is it this thick oris it this thick, right?
so it's going to be the majordifference in what level of
commitment that we can transformour lives, that it is in our
(52:21):
hands, that it is by instinctthat we were born perfect, whole
and complete as human beingsand that everything that we have
lived is what we have learnedOkay, automatically.
We have learned more from theages of zero to seven than what
we will for the rest of ourlives.
Although we think we get PhDs,mds, one, two, threes, whatever
(52:47):
the learning that goes into theindividuals is far greater.
So I have a huge place in myheart for children and I would
love for parents to invest intheir children.
The earlier that we can do that, the more that we're changing
our children's, children'schildren's lives.
You know, for the southgeneration that impact, and also
(53:08):
for those of us who are teensor adults, hey, you know, take
it into your own hands.
Your don't wait for somebody,like a lot of people, like, well
, my boss isn't invested in it,so I'm not going to do it.
It's like, okay, okay, you know.
And also that your greatestinvestment is always going to be
in your mind always get in yourmind.
(53:29):
You buy this brush, that brushis only going to serve you, but
it doesn't give you anythingmore.
Rather than you use it to applythe powder on your face, and
when you invest in your mindover and over and you shed that
layer and shed that layer andshed that layer, you reconnect
with your intuitive wisdom thatallows you to create things even
(53:51):
faster.
See, after my trauma healing, Iwas able to to not only heal
also.
I was able to get to not onlyheal also.
I was able to move forwardfaster.
The thoughts, ideas, the thingsthat were before me that I
hadn't seen, that now I see havehelped me move forward.
I want people to live as ahappy life as they are willing
(54:14):
to put the effort into Nice andI love the fact that you know
it's what you guys do forchildren too.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
And do you guys do like anything like on the parent
side, like how can I be abetter parent with the stuff
that I do?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, most definitely.
We have a coaching system thathelps parents.
I do guide people through that.
I've been teaching parentingclasses for the last 22 years,
over 22 years, and help themmold, because one of the things
that I see is I go all the wayto my oldest clients and see how
(54:50):
life impacted them.
I have a client that's 83 yearsold.
Let me tell you how it impactedthat individual.
They're still suffering.
They're 83, right, uh, 60, youname it psychologists, doctors,
investors, people, they, they'veall been impacted.
And it didn't matter if theycame from poverty, it didn't
matter if they came from wealth,it didn't matter that.
(55:13):
The human experience is thehuman experience.
As a matter of fact, somepeople who came from more
actually are suffering even morebecause they had a lack of
attachment.
You know, sometimes when wethink about here's the mind
shift that I would like peopleto do is when we think about
(55:33):
adversity and poverty it's notalways a bad thing, right, like
adversity.
Actually, imagine if you thinkabout it like hey, you know, we
have $10 for dinner, what are wegoing to do, and let's work
together as a team, and they'relike there's that attachment,
there's that bonding, there'sthat collaboration, all of that
as opposed to hey, you're goingto be sent away for school
(55:57):
somewhere.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, there's a difference.
Yeah, I mean we talked aboutthe resourcefulness of our
people.
I think from poverty we're ableto squeeze out as much as we
can make big foods and from thecheapest meats and eat great,
you know.
So it's like yeah sometimes youneed if you garden.
You know some plants that growon the ground.
(56:19):
Without hard ground they don'tgrow big, you know.
So, if the ground is too softyou get little.
You know, like potatoes andstuff like that, they won't grow
without that pressure.
So you know, sometimes it's likethat, so that's awesome.
And one other question I haveis have you talked to your son
about everything in your lifeand your journey with him and
(56:40):
had reflections on?
You know what are the lifelessons and what can you and I
do to do a better job with thegrandkids moving forward?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
You know, we haven't had conversations like that.
We have had like vision, biggervision conversations.
Um, I feel like he's taken hisown lessons and taught him in
the way that's important for himto teach him to his son, next
generation, different ways ofmolding, because there's always
something that we get to shedright and um and mold within
(57:15):
ourselves.
I know I recently shared avision that I had shared with
him when he was 16 years old.
He's 33 now, like son, you know, remember I said I would build
this thing and like how coolwould it be to build a program
that's going to help people andfamilies?
And so I'm like son, I built it.
I built it and like I didn'teven know, I was just like pedal
(57:35):
to the metal focus, focus,focus, focus.
And then now, when we look atit, this provides wellbeing.
This provides self-regulation.
This provides people a better,happier, healthier relationship,
marriage, whatever, job, lifeexperience, because now we're
(57:56):
even more aware of how we'vebeen creating our world and we
get to intentionally mold thatexperience for ourselves.
So that's something that I knowhe's very proud of.
He's always talked about me.
You know, when kids talk abouttheir parents behind their back,
mine talked in a very positiveway.
I go to school and people andthe teachers would say you know,
like Victor, like let me showyou what he wrote about you,
like he's so proud of you.
Or parents, parents, friends,parents would say the same thing
(58:20):
and I'm like, okay, that'sgreat.
And I remember him being 11years old and he's like running
down the stairs.
He's like mom, how come you'redifferent?
And I'm like what are youtalking about, son?
How come you're different?
He goes why, you know, like myuncles, they're drinking and
driving and yelling at theirkids and you're doing different
things.
And all I can say is that thisis what I choose for us, right
(58:42):
that I get to choose.
Like life is a choice.
The way, what it is that we'reliving outside of us came from
inside of us, and if we changethe inside of us, our mind, our
body, the way that we processedemotions or the way emotions are
stuck in our bodies.
Then we can move forward and wecan free ourselves and see
(59:04):
things that we hadn't seenbecause now we're free.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yep, yep, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Well, so usually around thetime, I like to ask a couple of
questions at the end of ourinterview.
But if you could go back intime especially since you deal
with kids now, but with what youknow now and go back to your
younger version of yourself andcoach yourself and give yourself
some advice, what's somethingyou would have told yourself?
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I would have said I love you.
I would have said I love you, Ilove you, I love you, I love
you.
I can't tell you how many timesI see people like when I coach
them.
They break down.
They literally break down.
They're sobbing, they can't doit.
They can't even see themselvesin the eyes.
I couldn't see myself.
(59:50):
I would tell myself that I havethe power to transform my life
and that I'm the only one, likeI've always knew that I was the
only one.
I would definitely encouragemyself.
That's what I would say I loveyou, I love you, I love you.
You're amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
And you're worth it.
Yeah, thank you, that's awesome.
That's really amazing and likeyou said words matter, and so
I'm glad that's somethingamazing.
And, like you said, wordsmatter, and so I'm glad.
I'm glad that's something thatyou would go back.
You never know what people aregoing to say.
You know, sometimes I'm always,I'm always shocked by this
answer too.
So it's always great.
And then, finally, you know howdo you say success in Spanglish
(01:00:30):
.
You know what does success meanto you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Success to me.
When you said that I'm likelike exit, though, and like what
success means to me is whateverI want to live, whatever I
choose to live, whatever makesmy heart sing, um, what success
means to me is that it is.
It's about love, it's aboutbeing in peace and in harmony
with myself.
(01:00:53):
It's about constantly growingand understanding that if I say
something, when I say somethingto, to individuals, I say it
because it's from a place oflove where sometimes we get like
, oh my gosh, like she reallysaid that.
And it's like I say it becauseI love you.
I say it because I wantsomething for you.
I say it because I'm willing tobe uncomfortable in that, to
(01:01:18):
see whatever comes out for yourown good, to know that there's a
ripple effect.
So success means to me a lot ofthings.
It means living a happy life.
It means enjoying a moment yeah, it means enjoying a moment
with people.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Awesome.
Yeah, we talked a little bitearlier about the goalposts
constantly shifting sometimes,when what our definition of
success is, and until you justdo what you want and you're not
worried about you're not keepingup with the Joneses, you're
going to be much happier.
So, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you takingthe time to jump on here with me
(01:02:00):
and share your story.
It's been great.
Like I said, I've you've hit meover the head a few times and
made me go.
Yes, you know, so I hope otherswill listen in as well and get
the same feeling that I hadduring this interview.
But uh, if you want, you tellme you have.
Plug anything you want yourwebsites or whatever things
(01:02:20):
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Thank you, the Mindshift Game.
Look at it.
Look us up.
It's the mindshiftgamecom.
You can also look me up onLinkedIn.
We're on Facebook, instagram.
Check it out.
Call us, give us a call, sendus a message 303-587-8367,
303-587-8367,.
(01:02:41):
And take actions.
Live your life on your terms,create the life that you'd love
and desire, and it is possiblefor you to have what you desire.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Nice, awesome.
Well, thank you so much, rocio.
I really appreciate you takingthe time today and I look
forward to see what you havenext.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
And for everyone else listening.
Once again, thank you so muchfor joining me, and I hope you
join me again next time, as wecontinue to learn how to see
success in Spanish.
Popular Podcasts
Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club
Welcome to Bookmarked by Reese’s Book Club — the podcast where great stories, bold women, and irresistible conversations collide! Hosted by award-winning journalist Danielle Robay, each week new episodes balance thoughtful literary insight with the fervor of buzzy book trends, pop culture and more. Bookmarked brings together celebrities, tastemakers, influencers and authors from Reese's Book Club and beyond to share stories that transcend the page. Pull up a chair. You’re not just listening — you’re part of the conversation.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.