September 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Being A Medium
Pam Meredith has a remarkable job: she’s a professional medium who helps people connect with loved ones who have passed away.
In this episode, she shares her career journey, offering unique insights into what it’s really like to work between the worlds of the living and the spirit.
What makes her perspective so compelling is her belief that mediumship isn’t rare, it’s a natural human ability that can be developed by anyone. She even shares practical techniques, for anyone who wants to try reaching out to their own loved ones and provides valuable guidance for anyone intrigued by the spiritual realm.
Whether you seek career change ideas or simply curios about the unseen dimensions around us, Pam’s grounded insights will transform your thinking about life, death, and the possibilities within your own career path
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Pam Meredith (00:02):
I can teach just about anybody to do mediumship,
as long as they have theirpineal gland and their pituitary
gland.
You won't get the lotterynumbers.
That's not included.
Mirav Ozeri (00:11):
People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery numbers All
the time.
Pam Meredith (00:13):
They say I'll pay you 10% if you give me the
lottery numbers or I'll split itwith you.
I'm like it doesn't work thatway.
Mirav Ozeri (00:22):
Welcome back to how Much Can I Make.
I'm your host, merav Uzeri.
Today I'm talking with PamMeredith, a medium who spends
her days doing something most ofus only see in the movies
communicating with the otherside.
Yes, we'll talk about what herjob is really like, how she
discovered her gift and the waysit impacts everyday life.
(00:44):
So, whether you're curious,open-minded, skeptic or just
love a good story, pam's worldis one you'll definitely want to
step into.
So let's get right into it.
First of all, pam, thanks a lot, I know.
When you told me that you're amedium, I jumped.
I said I have to interview you.
So thanks a lot for sharingyour time.
(01:07):
Thank you, okay.
So what exactly is it?
What do you do?
Pam Meredith (01:11):
Basically, I alter my state of consciousness to
blend with the consciousness ofa friend or family member, of
whoever I'm sitting with, who'spassed away, and so the
continuation of consciousnessafter death is there intact, and
so I try to blend with that togive information and evidence to
the person of their loved one.
And that's the shortest version.
Mirav Ozeri (01:33):
When did you discover that you have that
power.
Pam Meredith (01:35):
I really like that you said power, because it's
really just a birthright and alot of people want to walk
around saying like, oh, I'mgifted or something like that.
But actually it's a function ofyour pituitary gland and your
pineal gland and your brain andso literally I can teach just
about anybody to do mediumshipas long as they have their
pineal gland and their pituitarygland.
(01:57):
So it's open to everybody touse.
It's just another sense, justlike a lot of people in the East
believe in the third eye, thesixth sense.
So we all have six, seven,eight senses that some were not
using.
Mirav Ozeri (02:11):
But there must have been a point where you realized
wow, I can tap into it.
Pam Meredith (02:15):
Right so you could tap into it at any point, like
you could find someone reallymaybe born doing that, or you
could find someone later in life.
But what happened to me wasreally interesting.
I wasn't looking for mediumship, I was working as an
occupational therapist.
I was under hypnosis and when Iwas under hypnosis I started
seeing the deceased people ofthe therapist.
(02:37):
I saw his father-in-law whoshot himself.
Mirav Ozeri (02:41):
You knew nothing about his life.
Pam Meredith (02:43):
I had.
No, I didn't know anythingabout his life or his family, so
it came to you as images.
Images, yeah, that was thefirst thing that I had was the
clairvoyance.
And so as I started to tell thetherapist I have this, he would
say, like what are you seeing,what are you aware of?
And I was saying, well, I'maware of this man and he has a
shotgun and he looks like this.
(03:04):
So I saw his uncle, his nephew,his father-in-law, his
mother-in-law, as I recall.
I saw four people.
And then he brought me out ofthe hypnosis and he said I don't
know what to say because you'retalking to my deceased family
and about my deceased family.
I was like what?
Because I was, you know, notexpecting that.
(03:26):
And then he actually referredme to Janet Nohavik in Pompton
Lakes, New Jersey.
I went to work with her formediumship training just to
figure out what's going on, whatdo I do?
Because I really couldn't workwith the hypnotherapist anymore
without seeing deceased people.
Mirav Ozeri (03:40):
That was the first time it happened to you, right?
Did it shock you?
Pam Meredith (03:43):
Yes, yes.
So I went to classes with Janetand she's very well known,
actually medium, and she broughta lot of the British mediums
over from England.
But when I first went it wasfunny because, like you're
saying, I didn't have a clue andI was sitting in these classes
going like what Huh?
Mirav Ozeri (04:05):
No.
Pam Meredith (04:09):
So she teaches you how to tap into it.
Yeah, so you know, what wasreally lucky for me was when I
went to that class.
I wasn't really knowing what Iwas doing, but she could see
that there were people in spiritwith me, and so she called on
me to do the mediumship in theclass, which was really funny
because I was like brand new anddidn't know what I was doing.
Which was really funny becauseI was like brand new and didn't
know what I was doing.
And that happened to me in my40th year of life.
An astrologer I had, when I was35, told me in the 40th year of
(04:31):
your life, you're going to havea big psychic opening.
I was like, no, I don't want todo that, and then it happened.
So, when I went to work withJanet, she said I want you to
come into my advanced mediumtraining, and that was in
February of 2001.
But I went to work with her intraining and then 9-11 happened.
(04:51):
I hadn't been training verylong at all and really was very,
very inexperienced.
It takes years to develop as amedium, and people who sort of
want to, you know, take sixweeks class and put their
shingle out.
It doesn't work that way.
However, what happened on 9-11was my friend lost her brother
(05:13):
in the towers.
He was in Kent or Fitzgerald,and so when it happened we knew
right away how bad it was.
And I want to say, two weeksafter 9-11 she was asking me can
you please talk to my brother?
And I was saying no, I mean,I'm new, I don't know what I'm
doing.
She begged me and I said allright, I'll do it, don't expect
(05:35):
you know the world.
So I did the mediumship for her.
She taught me a huge lesson,beginner's lesson.
At the end of the said well,that exactly sounds like my
brother, but I don't feel anybetter.
And so the best lesson therewas to understand that people
grieving, they may not thank you, they may not feel better.
Some people really do feelbetter, but that was a horrific
(05:59):
time period.
So she was very devastated.
After that she went to herbereavement group and gave my
name to everybody in thebereavement group.
So then all of the next year Ijust had a steady stream of 9-11
.
So it was a very strangebeginning.
And then it became your job, andthen it became my job.
Mirav Ozeri (06:21):
What is the difference between a psychic and
a medium?
Pam Meredith (06:24):
When you're psychic, you can be connecting
to friends, family, guides,healers, helpers all those
energies that are there for ourguidance.
But it's not focused on gettingthe evidence this is your
grandmother or this is yourbrother it's really focused on
the person's life and so we'relooking psychically at future.
We're looking at currentproblems.
(06:45):
So we're looking at you knowlife issues.
So it's friends, family,children, jobs, careers,
relationships.
So it's a little differentbecause we're not going into the
mediumship cycle and, in fact,in terms of how you're
functioning and using your brain, they're kind of different.
So I could be looking at aperson's chakras, their aura,
their karma, like the karma inthis lifetime, past life, karma.
(07:08):
All of that could come into apsychic reading.
Medium is specificallyconnecting to friend or family
member of the person you'resitting with who's passed away,
and it feels very different thanpsychic.
It's a heavier energy and it'sa different sort of level of
consciousness.
So you can tell when you'redoing something psychic and when
you're doing somethingmediumistic.
All mediums are psychic, notall psychics are mediums, right.
Mirav Ozeri (07:31):
So when you connect with a spirit, is it a physical
reaction?
Do you feel anything?
Pam Meredith (07:35):
You do, you do, and so you can feel their
personality.
If they're really upbeat or ifthey're like tough and not gonna
give you an inch, or whatever,you can totally sense
personality, the quietness orgentleness or love, you can have
all those sort of experience ofemotion, their way of thinking,
the intellect, you can totallysense that.
(07:56):
But physically, which I reallythink is fun is you can feel
their physical presence.
So if I have somebody come veryclose through my heart center,
I can feel, oh, this guy's sixfoot six and loved basketball or
whatever.
You can really have a sense ofthe feeling, of the physicality
of the person.
(08:16):
So right now, people who aredeceased are in light body.
They're an energetic form.
It's their consciousness you'reconnecting to.
But they can project throughyou their body, their body image
and all of that.
I can also feel within myphysical body how they've passed
.
If it feels sudden, if it feelslike a long struggle with
(08:36):
Alzheimer's or cancer, any ofthe physical conditions, you can
have an awareness of what isgoing on with the person.
Now I'm going to say thatbecause there's somebody going
to go.
Oh, my God, that sounds soscary.
They don't give you pain andsuffering as you feel their
passing, but you have awarenessof what's happening to them.
Mirav Ozeri (08:56):
So can you connect.
If somebody died 30 years ago,can you still connect to them?
Sure, yeah, I'm trying to thinkhow far back I've gone but for
sure 30 years, maybe for suremore than 30 years.
Did it change your perspectiveabout life?
Pam Meredith (09:12):
and death once you started doing it Completely,
completely, because I came torealize that this world that we
see, this three-dimensionalworld, is not all there is.
And so when we operate in thisworld, we all get caught up in
our day-to-day like, oh my God,you know where did I put my keys
and I'm late for work, but itit's.
There's so much way, way, way,way beyond what we see.
Mirav Ozeri (09:32):
So of course, it changed my whole life.
You have to be like a meditatorin order to connect to these
people.
You have to be a spiritualperson because before you said
everybody can tap into it, youcan learn to tap into it.
Pam Meredith (09:44):
You can learn to alter your state of
consciousness Essentiallyremember I said to you two
glands in the brain.
They're like your antennas, youknow.
So you're picking up yoursignals and then, in terms of
how do you take those signalsand process them into
information and then give themout like the radio does?
When you're processing theinformation, it's a shift in
(10:05):
consciousness and then you'reworking essentially
consciousness to consciousness.
So everybody knows like if youalter your state of
consciousness, like, let's say,a daydream, you have an
awareness that you've alteredyour consciousness, that you're
sort of gazing off into somekind of space and you're not
really completely here butyou're here.
So that's like a very beginningalteration of your state of
(10:26):
consciousness.
So the cycles per second inyour brain when you're speaking,
like you and I are right now inthis reality, we're in beta,
and then you're going to learnto drop your consciousness
through to alpha theta.
You're essentially learningself-hypnosis.
Psychologists, hypnotherapists,all know that you can alter your
state of consciousness.
(10:46):
You know they get rid ofsmoking or different things
people use for hypnosis, andyou're using literally almost
the same process to move yourconsciousness to what I'll call
a dream awake state.
So you're in a dream awakestate.
You've moved towards the cyclesper second in your brain that
you have for sleeping.
You're close to sleeping, butyou have to stay awake or else
(11:09):
you can't talk to your sitter.
Mirav Ozeri (11:10):
That's very difficult with that stage to
stay.
I remember I read the booksilver mind control and he talks
about that yes, and it's very,very.
I feel like like I'm fallingjust before I fall asleep and
then it's so hard to control andkeep on talking to your
subconscious.
Pam Meredith (11:29):
Yes, there's a fine line between, you know,
falling asleep and not makingany sense and then being able to
be in that little window.
There's a very fine line, youknow back in the day, because
nobody young remembers this, butthere used to be like a dial on
a radio.
Know, you had to have exactly98.9, and if you had 98.7 you
(11:50):
just hear static, right.
So altering your consciousnessto the right frequency for the
person that you're talking to isvery small.
Like you have to get in thatslim number of altering your
consciousness in order toreceive the information,
otherwise you might hearsomething and then static.
Hear something and then static.
Mirav Ozeri (12:10):
So in every reading you dial to a different kind of
number to tap in into.
Pam Meredith (12:16):
Well, there's not really a number.
No, I know, I mean it's justthe way, it's just an analogy,
yeah right, but you dial intothat wave or whatever.
Yes, exactly, you're going intotheir frequency, you're going
into their wavelength and you'regoing into the wavelength of
the person's consciousness andspirit and they're altering
theirs.
So this dimension is very, veryslow and their dimension is
(12:39):
very, very fast, and there'slots of pictures where people
have captured spirit moving.
It's like a speed of light.
What does a reading with youwill be like?
You know, I will always explainto somebody, if they haven't
had a reading, that I useclairvoyance, clairaudience,
clairsentience, claircognizance.
I use all my intuitive sensesand so I see, feel and hear
(13:01):
things.
I'll tell you exactly what I'mgetting and then, once I give
you enough evidence, you go ohyes, that's my grandmother on my
mom's side.
Then I'm going to talk to thatperson, ask them for messages or
information for you, and thenthere will be a period of time
at the end, like if you want toask questions.
Mirav Ozeri (13:16):
Wow, did it happen to you that somebody came to you
and you were not able toconnect with the sister relative
?
Pam Meredith (13:26):
There has been, on occasion, people where I can't
connect.
What do you think stops that?
There's always like a groupchat right, there's me, there's
the communicator who's inconsciousness, and then there's
my sitter, and so if any one ofus is really off that day, you
can have it sort of fall apart.
You could have a communicatorwho's very quiet, who's not
really wanting to come online,you know your sitter could be,
(13:46):
you know, deep in grief and notunderstanding the process.
Or I could be like oh, I didn'tget enough sleep last night.
Mirav Ozeri (13:52):
Do you have one reading that stuck with you?
Pam Meredith (13:55):
I do.
I have so many readings.
Well, there's so many that havestuck with me that are really,
you know, profound or poignant.
So one reading I have that Ilike to tell my students is that
when a person that the sitterthat you're sitting with you
know the live person says no toyou, that you have to kind of
not let that deter you from whatyou're understanding.
(14:17):
So the best, oh, this is so fun.
I had this man and in spirit,and I was talking to his alive
wife.
She was very devastated aboutthe loss.
I said to her towards the end,you know she knew I had her
husband there, I'd given theevidence of him.
But then I said to her he'stelling you that you have to go
get this card that he, like hand, wrote for you.
(14:39):
And she says to me nope, Idon't have a handwritten card.
And I said, okay, hang on asecond.
And I said to him she says shedoesn't have it.
Do you say?
Mirav Ozeri (14:49):
that out loud.
Pam Meredith (14:50):
Nope, okay.
So I say that in myconsciousness to him.
And he said yes, she does, it'svery important.
She has to go look for it.
So I said he said you have itand you have to go look for it.
She have to go look over it.
She goes, I have no idea whatyou're talking about.
I said, okay, hang on.
And he said you better tell mewhere it is and what it is,
(15:11):
cause she says she has no idea.
So he said tell her to goupstairs to her bedroom, to the
dresser on the left side, andopen that drawer.
And it's there.
So she does it and she rummagesfor a minute and she pulls the
card out and she started to cry.
She said, oh my God, I forgotabout this.
And the card she read to me Icried because it was so
beautiful and it was a love notefrom him.
And he said like no matterwhatever happens, I'll always
(15:32):
love you and I'll always be withyou.
And I was like, oh my God, youknow.
So we're all crying.
And then I asked her if shewould take a photo of it and
send it to me.
And so I keep that to remind melike this is real.
This is.
Here's the evidence right here,and my teacher, janet Havoc, and
the teachers that I worked withthrough Arthur Finley College
of Mediumship in England.
They're very strict about likeyou have to have evidence.
(15:56):
You can't just say I have yourhusband here or whatever.
You have to have the evidenceof that person.
So that's one story I love,because the person can be saying
no and yet the person in spiritcompletely knows.
I did have a lady really come tome about relationship and she
wanted to know about her, hercurrent partner, and she wanted
to marry that person.
(16:16):
I said to her no, that one,that one's not going to work out
.
And she was very mad at me.
She was like what?
You don't know what you'retalking about.
And I said I really don't, I'mjust telling you what your mom
is saying.
Like I really don't know, don'tcall, I'll tell everybody,
don't call me for relationshipadvice.
You're going to get it fromyour mother or your grandmother.
In any case.
(16:37):
They said, yes, you know that'snot going to work out.
And then I said the next oneyou meet is also not going to
work out.
It is going to only last fouror five months.
And then he said but the thirdone is going to be the one.
She says that you're going toknow him and you're going to
know right away that that's theone.
So she was very angry and she,you know, was cursing me out.
She left the office and I'mlike okay.
(16:57):
She came back one year laterwith her fiance and she said
this is my fiance, do youremember me?
I said no, and she said youtold me the first one didn't
work out and she said that'strue, it ended about three
months later.
And then she said you said thesecond one wasn't going to work
out and she said that lastedabout four months.
And then she said she was veryangry at me.
She was at home and she'dstopped dating and she was just
frustrated.
(17:17):
Her daughter had something thatshe she wanted to hang in her
room or something.
She called for a person to comeand fix the furniture thing.
The guy comes to the door andshe looks at him and she goes
like this is a made up name.
Okay, jonathan, oh, my God, Iremember you.
And he says oh yeah, we went tohigh school together.
Mirav Ozeri (17:37):
Oh, my God.
Pam Meredith (17:37):
And she said, yeah .
She said, well, come on in,I'll show you the job.
And she said they spent thewhole afternoon together.
And then, when he left, shesaid oh, that's the one, so she
came back a year laterintroducing him.
Mirav Ozeri (17:54):
They were engaged when that, when she finally came
back yeah, does it happen toyou that a spirit tells you
something and you choose not tosay it?
Pam Meredith (17:59):
yes, and I've had like lots of discussions with
people about this, becausestudents will say, well, I
believe a spirit told it to me.
I should say it because that'swhat they've given me.
There's really good, proficientmediums that'll say nope, I
just give exactly what I get andI don't.
Because I have had people.
I learned that in 9-11.
Like I've had people say to medid my husband get stabbed by
(18:22):
the terrorists or perish on theplane when it crashed?
And I'm like that is notsomething anybody needs to think
about, or you know what I mean.
Like everybody's going to thinkabout it, but we don't want to
put thoughts in people's headsthat are horrific.
So I always tell my studentsyour first job is do no harm.
My feeling is you should notever re-traumatize somebody.
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So if I see a passing that isvery difficult to talk about,
I'll say it's sudden, it'straumatic, they're at peace now,
but it was horrific for thefamily and that's all they need
to know.
Mirav Ozeri (18:55):
So how does it work ?
There are billions of spiritsout there.
According to what you say,everybody that died, the spirits
troubles.
Pam Meredith (19:02):
Yeah, many, many, many.
Mirav Ozeri (19:03):
How can you tap into this one spirit?
Because you're in the presenceof a relative.
Pam Meredith (19:09):
Yeah, because your people are with you.
So you have friends and familyand spirit that are around you
and they're helping you, they'reguiding you, they're giving you
inspiration or, yeah, they'retalking consciousness,
consciousness with you, whetheryou are aware of it or not.
And so when I sit down with you, your family start coming
(19:30):
around.
They'll, they're here and assoon as and it is a challenge,
you know, because as a medium,you really have to control your
space.
Because if I go to a barbecueor whatever a gathering and
somebody starts talking, oh,you're a medium, tell me about
it.
I'm like, oh, can we talk aboutthat later?
Because if I start talking tosomeone about the process and
about the dimension of time andspace, then your people will
(19:53):
come in.
Wow, yeah, I'll just startautomatically shifting into it.
Everybody really would benefitby having conversations with
their own guides, healers,helpers, friends, family on the
other side, because they know alot.
They know the future, becausetime and space isn't linear.
So we are a construct of timehere is very limited, but over
there it's like past, present,future, sort of coexisting, and
(20:16):
they can tell us a lot of goodadvice.
Mirav Ozeri (20:18):
Like fortune teller .
Pam Meredith (20:20):
Telling them what's going to happen.
Yeah, you can, absolutely.
Yeah, oh my.
Mirav Ozeri (20:24):
So okay, now you're flustered, yeah, so you work
out of an office.
Pam Meredith (20:32):
People come to you .
Mirav Ozeri (20:33):
Yeah, how much does it cost for a reading?
Does it vary or is it somethingyou have a set price?
Pam Meredith (20:40):
Yeah, I'd have like a half price for a half
hour and a price for an hour.
Can.
Mirav Ozeri (20:45):
I come to you and just ask you to tell me about
the future.
Sure, how much does it cost?
Pam Meredith (20:49):
I want to do that.
I want to do that Well for meor for generally.
For you let's for example, sofor me, like 220 for an20 for an
hour and $1.25 for half an hour.
Mirav Ozeri (21:02):
What is the highest price you heard?
I remember Nancy Reagan had hermedium.
Pam Meredith (21:07):
Yeah, some people are charging a lot of money,
like a lot, like $1,000 an hour.
So some of those people thatare charging maybe even more
than that are what I would callcelebrity mediums.
What you want to make sure isthat you have recommendations
from people, that you have goodword of mouth, referrals, good
(21:28):
reviews, because there's peoplethat have gone and been conned.
So you want to make suresomebody has a legitimate
reputation that they're comingfrom a spiritual place that
they're.
You know that there's evidencethat the person has been
practicing for a long time, likeI wouldn't go necessarily for
someone who's just been intraining two years.
You know people really needsolid.
(21:50):
You know five, ten years oftraining right and some track
record and a track record.
So referrals, I think, are thebest people can say like know,
yes, she got the people I waslooking for, gave me good advice
, or what she said came to pass.
Mirav Ozeri (22:04):
What was the reaction of your friends and
family when they learned youwere a medium?
Pam Meredith (22:08):
Oof.
Well, they didn't believe you,right?
Yeah, some people don't believeme.
Some people are like rollingtheir eyes.
I mean, I think what I did wasI kept it on the down low for a
while.
I wasn't on the down low, Iwasn't out, and you know, coming
out as a medium was not asacceptable as it is today.
(22:30):
Like everybody's saying I'm amedium.
Now there's all over the Insta.
Mirav Ozeri (22:34):
How long ago did you kind of come out?
Pam Meredith (22:37):
How long did it take me?
So I was 40 when I startedtraining.
I continued training for like atleast 10 years and I was
working at the journey withinand became a spiritualist
minister in the spiritualisttradition.
Okay, so I was doing a lot, butI wasn't really advertising or
talking to people about it by 10years.
(22:58):
I was just, I was workingfull-time at it.
I couldn't hide it, you know.
I was really immersed in thewhole right scene.
I did my, I did the eat, pray,love journey and I and I went to
india and I was studying yogaand the eastern philosophies and
studied shambhala, budd, awhole you know a whole journey,
(23:18):
so people come to you and askyou to get in contact with a
specific entity or just whateveryou can when someone comes to
me, I ask them not to sayanything about who they're
looking for or any names.
Or some people come in withphotos.
I won't look at them becauseit's all evidence.
If you came in and you sat downand I say, oh, you want to do
(23:39):
mediumship, you said yes, thenI'm just going to go in the
quiet, I'm going to look for thefirst person that comes through
.
I always, you know, have anintention and a blessing to
bring in someone helpful andhealing for you.
Or if there was someone youdidn't want to hear from,
somebody who was nasty orabusive or something, I'm only
bringing through energies thatare helpful and healing to you.
Mirav Ozeri (24:02):
Do people also ask you to tell the spirit something
?
Pam Meredith (24:05):
Yes, they do, but just FYI, you can do that for
free.
They hear you all the time.
They don't have to pay me.
You can just tell them I'msorry or I love you, and they
hear you, they really hear you.
What's fun is to start to hearthem back.
You can just literally sit inthe quiet.
(24:25):
Your tools of divination can bewhatever you want.
You can have a candle, you canhave nothing, you can sit, you
know, outside with the birds,just as long as you feel calm
and quiet within yourself.
And so for those people,especially listening, that say
well, I'm not ever going to dothat as a job, but I'd like to
hear from my mom or my sister orwhoever, just sit in the quiet.
(24:46):
It has to be quiet because youneed to listen and you're not
going to necessarily hear asound outside yourself.
You could just literally hearit within your own inner ear.
So sit and use your imagination, imagine mom is here or whoever
you're looking for, and thenjust sit, listen, feel, try to
engage with the person and askthem also to leave you a sign.
(25:09):
You know they do all kinds ofsigns and signals.
Mirav Ozeri (25:13):
Like what kind of sign some spirit would leave.
Pam Meredith (25:15):
You know, one of the first things I start with
people who just want to havetheir own personal communication
they're not looking to become amedium is to sit with your
hands in your lap Either palm upor palm down, doesn't matter
and ask them to touch one ofyour hands so you have something
to compare it to, so you can,if one hand starts to feel cold,
or one hand starts to feel cold, or one hand starts to feel hot
(25:37):
, or one hand starts to feellike a tickling or anything that
you feel in one hand and youdon't feel on the other, that's
your person trying to say I'mhere.
You could also.
What I really love doing is Iask my mom every morning to drop
a song into my awareness, andso you you're gonna say to
yourself you're sitting there,you're waiting, blah, blah, blah
(25:58):
, and nothing's happening.
And then you get up and you canfind yourself humming a song
and you're like, oh, where didthat come from?
I haven't thought of that songin a million years.
Or I've had my mother drop asong into my head that I didn't
even know the song, what.
And you heard the song, thename of the song, and then I
went in a computer and looked itup.
(26:18):
There's so many beautiful wordsto songs that can be messages
for you from your loved one.
Mirav Ozeri (26:24):
Do you do readings for your own family, like your
grandmother, grandfather, or doyou connect with them?
Pam Meredith (26:30):
Yeah, so I have some family on the other side
that work with me and then Ihave other guides, healers and
helpers that work with me Interms of, like, doing a reading
per se.
Let's say I was going to do areading for my sister.
Okay, I can't really bringevidence to her that this is mom
or this is my you know dad, orwhoever I'm bringing through,
because we know everything aboutthat person.
(26:51):
So I tend to tell my sister togo to a fellow medium that
doesn't know her.
Mirav Ozeri (26:56):
When it happens, when you connect with this, does
it drain your energy?
Pam Meredith (27:00):
Yeah, I mean you have to work at that.
You know you have to build,like, look, you don't go run the
New York City Marathon tomorrow, you have to build it up.
And so you build up that energy, that power, that ability to
control the communication and torelease it.
Mirav Ozeri (27:17):
And how do you protect your own energy so, when
it's done, you still haveenergy to do other things?
Pam Meredith (27:21):
sometimes it actually just gives me energy
because that's so um upliftingand enlightening and you know
you forget about your owntroubles when you hear all this
information from the other side.
Have you ever seen the spirit?
Mirav Ozeri (27:35):
yes, you have yeah and you knew to recognize it as
a spirit when you saw it.
Yes, what does?
Pam Meredith (27:41):
it look like.
I mean, there's two differentthings that you're talking about
.
You can see people in lightbody.
Right when you might see, likeon a People have ring cameras
and they'll catch this ball oflight shooting across the frame
of the camera and so it couldjust look like a ball of white
light.
I've seen actually someonevideotaping someone's passing
(28:02):
and literally see the whitelight emerge from the mouth of a
person transitioning.
Mirav Ozeri (28:08):
So they really are in the form of light.
Pam Meredith (28:11):
Yeah, you can really see it as a ball of
bright white light.
Have I seen people materializea couple times where they send
like a I'll call it like itlooks like a hologram, because
it could be completely just likeI see you sitting there.
The person could manifest thatway to show you it's me and you
describe it to the client?
yeah, but I was saying to yousomething, you, about our
(28:37):
dimension of time and space.
It's very slow and thatdimension where you see the
light can travel really fast.
It's a dimension of time andspace that's not linear and it's
very, very fast.
So for them to come to us, theyhave to slow down and we have
to speed up, okay so?
Mirav Ozeri (28:52):
what's the biggest challenge and the biggest reward
of that job?
The biggest challenge.
Pam Meredith (28:57):
The biggest challenge is patience.
Reward of that job.
The biggest challenge.
The biggest challenge is it'spatience.
You takes you a long time tolearn this and if people say
they've been practicing one yearand they know everything, then
they're not the best you know,because it really does take
years of practice developingthat capacity to alter your
state of consciousness, you know, on command, kind of.
So that is the biggestchallenge is really learning to
control your thoughts cancontrol your mind, controlling
(29:20):
your consciousness, because ifyou're thinking your thoughts
you are not going to be able toreceive from spirit.
You have to quiet your mind.
Mirav Ozeri (29:26):
Are you able to quiet your mind, so no thoughts
are in your mind and you'retotally open to receive any kind
of information.
Pam Meredith (29:34):
I don't think any human being can completely calm
their mind like zero thoughts.
You know, in terms ofmeditation training they'll tell
you that that your thoughts arelike thousands per second.
So there's sort of what I wantto say the capacity to move your
cycles per second in your brainto a slower frequency, so that
there is it is slower and lower.
(29:55):
Get into that theta state oreven alpha, which is where most
people are doing their readings.
You know the aspect of thethoughts interfering can be
slower we never said what is thereward I mean, the reward is so
immense.
I think, once you open like theevidence, and you have the
evidence in front of you, howcan you ever look at life the
same again?
You cannot.
(30:16):
Everything is seen.
So you have a tremendousawareness of your responsibility
for your own actions, which alot of people don't seem to have
these days.
You know it's mind altering,it's heart altering.
You know when you, when youstart to understand that what we
have here, what you see here,is the tip of the iceberg and
(30:36):
there's many dimensions ofexistence, many, and you know
what.
Scientists know that.
And when you listen to you knowastrophysicists and quantum
physicists.
They know there's otherdimensions.
I mean Neil deGrasse Tyson who,I feel like, sort of speaks to
the average person as best theycan as astrophysicists.
He explains there's manydifferent dimensions and so it's
(30:57):
just that we don't havecapacity to imagine what they
all are.
Mirav Ozeri (31:00):
If people want to go to a medium services, how can
they know if it's authentic?
Pam Meredith (31:06):
Look for their training.
Ask them who they trained with,who they studied with, how long
they trained and how manyreferences do they have?
You know, I've seen peopleonline that have like three
reviews.
That's not enough.
That's not enough.
I'm not really out there a loton Instagram or Facebook.
(31:27):
Why?
I'm just old school.
I guess I'm a word of mouthperson, so COVID changed
everything because I never didreadings on Zoom before.
Mirav Ozeri (31:37):
COVID, is it more difficult for you to connect to?
Pam Meredith (31:38):
the entity via zoom to no, it makes no
difference it makes nodifference, because they're in
light body and they come and sitwith me so you could also do it
on the phone.
Mirav Ozeri (31:46):
Yeah, amazing, okay , well, thank you so much you
won't get the lottery numbers.
Pam Meredith (31:52):
That's not included, oh, yeah, yeah yeah,
that's a good question.
No lottery numbers.
Mirav Ozeri (31:58):
People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery numbers All
the time.
Pam Meredith (32:01):
They say I'll pay you 10% if you give me the
lottery numbers or I'll split itwith you.
I'm like it doesn't work thatway.
Can you get?
Mirav Ozeri (32:08):
the lottery numbers for yourself.
No, no, because there's noentity.
That is part of it, right.
Yeah, it lacks it.
You that it's part of it, right.
Pam Meredith (32:15):
Yeah, it lacks it.
You know it's not what this isabout, right Like this is really
about higher consciousness, andso if your consciousness is
like, oh, I just want the money,that's a lower consciousness.
Mirav Ozeri (32:26):
Yeah, I can see that.
You're sort of shootingyourself in the foot there.
I'm glad you said that, becauseI'm sure people would think
what about the lottery?
Pam Meredith (32:42):
Yeah, and also don't go to your medium and say
what's our code word?
You know, people come in withcode words with their person
who's passed like.
I'll know it's you when youtell?
Me, you know, when you sayelephant, oh, and I'm like don't
, don't ask for a code, becauseit's very difficult.
You might get it, but it'd bevery difficult there's a whole
new world.
Mirav Ozeri (32:55):
Thank you so much yeah, thank you fun.
And that's our chat with MediumPam Meredith Pretty wild, if
you ask me.
If you like this episode,please follow us, leave a review
or share it with friends wholove a good story.
Until next time, stay open,stay curious, because the end
(33:15):
scene might be closer than youthink.
I can teach just about anybody to do mediumship,
as long as they have theirpineal gland and their pituitary
gland.
You won't get the lotterynumbers.
That's not included.
Mirav Ozeri (00:11):
People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery numbers All
the time.
Pam Meredith (00:13):
They say I'll pay you 10% if you give me the
lottery numbers or I'll split itwith you.
I'm like it doesn't work thatway.
Mirav Ozeri (00:22):
Welcome back to how Much Can I Make.
I'm your host, merav Uzeri.
Today I'm talking with PamMeredith, a medium who spends
her days doing something most ofus only see in the movies
communicating with the otherside.
Yes, we'll talk about what herjob is really like, how she
discovered her gift and the waysit impacts everyday life.
(00:44):
So, whether you're curious,open-minded, skeptic or just
love a good story, pam's worldis one you'll definitely want to
step into.
So let's get right into it.
First of all, pam, thanks a lot, I know.
When you told me that you're amedium, I jumped.
I said I have to interview you.
So thanks a lot for sharingyour time.
(01:07):
Thank you, okay.
So what exactly is it?
What do you do?
Pam Meredith (01:11):
Basically, I alter my state of consciousness to
blend with the consciousness ofa friend or family member, of
whoever I'm sitting with, who'spassed away, and so the
continuation of consciousnessafter death is there intact, and
so I try to blend with that togive information and evidence to
the person of their loved one.
And that's the shortest version.
Mirav Ozeri (01:33):
When did you discover that you have that
power.
Pam Meredith (01:35):
I really like that you said power, because it's
really just a birthright and alot of people want to walk
around saying like, oh, I'mgifted or something like that.
But actually it's a function ofyour pituitary gland and your
pineal gland and your brain andso literally I can teach just
about anybody to do mediumshipas long as they have their
pineal gland and their pituitarygland.
(01:57):
So it's open to everybody touse.
It's just another sense, justlike a lot of people in the East
believe in the third eye, thesixth sense.
So we all have six, seven,eight senses that some were not
using.
Mirav Ozeri (02:11):
But there must have been a point where you realized
wow, I can tap into it.
Pam Meredith (02:15):
Right so you could tap into it at any point, like
you could find someone reallymaybe born doing that, or you
could find someone later in life.
But what happened to me wasreally interesting.
I wasn't looking for mediumship, I was working as an
occupational therapist.
I was under hypnosis and when Iwas under hypnosis I started
seeing the deceased people ofthe therapist.
(02:37):
I saw his father-in-law whoshot himself.
Mirav Ozeri (02:41):
You knew nothing about his life.
Pam Meredith (02:43):
I had.
No, I didn't know anythingabout his life or his family, so
it came to you as images.
Images, yeah, that was thefirst thing that I had was the
clairvoyance.
And so as I started to tell thetherapist I have this, he would
say, like what are you seeing,what are you aware of?
And I was saying, well, I'maware of this man and he has a
shotgun and he looks like this.
(03:04):
So I saw his uncle, his nephew,his father-in-law, his
mother-in-law, as I recall.
I saw four people.
And then he brought me out ofthe hypnosis and he said I don't
know what to say because you'retalking to my deceased family
and about my deceased family.
I was like what?
Because I was, you know, notexpecting that.
(03:26):
And then he actually referredme to Janet Nohavik in Pompton
Lakes, New Jersey.
I went to work with her formediumship training just to
figure out what's going on, whatdo I do?
Because I really couldn't workwith the hypnotherapist anymore
without seeing deceased people.
Mirav Ozeri (03:40):
That was the first time it happened to you, right?
Did it shock you?
Pam Meredith (03:43):
Yes, yes.
So I went to classes with Janetand she's very well known,
actually medium, and she broughta lot of the British mediums
over from England.
But when I first went it wasfunny because, like you're
saying, I didn't have a clue andI was sitting in these classes
going like what Huh?
Mirav Ozeri (04:05):
No.
Pam Meredith (04:09):
So she teaches you how to tap into it.
Yeah, so you know, what wasreally lucky for me was when I
went to that class.
I wasn't really knowing what Iwas doing, but she could see
that there were people in spiritwith me, and so she called on
me to do the mediumship in theclass, which was really funny
because I was like brand new anddidn't know what I was doing.
Which was really funny becauseI was like brand new and didn't
know what I was doing.
And that happened to me in my40th year of life.
An astrologer I had, when I was35, told me in the 40th year of
(04:31):
your life, you're going to havea big psychic opening.
I was like, no, I don't want todo that, and then it happened.
So, when I went to work withJanet, she said I want you to
come into my advanced mediumtraining, and that was in
February of 2001.
But I went to work with her intraining and then 9-11 happened.
(04:51):
I hadn't been training verylong at all and really was very,
very inexperienced.
It takes years to develop as amedium, and people who sort of
want to, you know, take sixweeks class and put their
shingle out.
It doesn't work that way.
However, what happened on 9-11was my friend lost her brother
(05:13):
in the towers.
He was in Kent or Fitzgerald,and so when it happened we knew
right away how bad it was.
And I want to say, two weeksafter 9-11 she was asking me can
you please talk to my brother?
And I was saying no, I mean,I'm new, I don't know what I'm
doing.
She begged me and I said allright, I'll do it, don't expect
(05:35):
you know the world.
So I did the mediumship for her.
She taught me a huge lesson,beginner's lesson.
At the end of the said well,that exactly sounds like my
brother, but I don't feel anybetter.
And so the best lesson therewas to understand that people
grieving, they may not thank you, they may not feel better.
Some people really do feelbetter, but that was a horrific
(05:59):
time period.
So she was very devastated.
After that she went to herbereavement group and gave my
name to everybody in thebereavement group.
So then all of the next year Ijust had a steady stream of 9-11
.
So it was a very strangebeginning.
And then it became your job, andthen it became my job.
Mirav Ozeri (06:21):
What is the difference between a psychic and
a medium?
Pam Meredith (06:24):
When you're psychic, you can be connecting
to friends, family, guides,healers, helpers all those
energies that are there for ourguidance.
But it's not focused on gettingthe evidence this is your
grandmother or this is yourbrother it's really focused on
the person's life and so we'relooking psychically at future.
We're looking at currentproblems.
(06:45):
So we're looking at you knowlife issues.
So it's friends, family,children, jobs, careers,
relationships.
So it's a little differentbecause we're not going into the
mediumship cycle and, in fact,in terms of how you're
functioning and using your brain, they're kind of different.
So I could be looking at aperson's chakras, their aura,
their karma, like the karma inthis lifetime, past life, karma.
(07:08):
All of that could come into apsychic reading.
Medium is specificallyconnecting to friend or family
member of the person you'resitting with who's passed away,
and it feels very different thanpsychic.
It's a heavier energy and it'sa different sort of level of
consciousness.
So you can tell when you'redoing something psychic and when
you're doing somethingmediumistic.
All mediums are psychic, notall psychics are mediums, right.
Mirav Ozeri (07:31):
So when you connect with a spirit, is it a physical
reaction?
Do you feel anything?
Pam Meredith (07:35):
You do, you do, and so you can feel their
personality.
If they're really upbeat or ifthey're like tough and not gonna
give you an inch, or whatever,you can totally sense
personality, the quietness orgentleness or love, you can have
all those sort of experience ofemotion, their way of thinking,
the intellect, you can totallysense that.
(07:56):
But physically, which I reallythink is fun is you can feel
their physical presence.
So if I have somebody come veryclose through my heart center,
I can feel, oh, this guy's sixfoot six and loved basketball or
whatever.
You can really have a sense ofthe feeling, of the physicality
of the person.
(08:16):
So right now, people who aredeceased are in light body.
They're an energetic form.
It's their consciousness you'reconnecting to.
But they can project throughyou their body, their body image
and all of that.
I can also feel within myphysical body how they've passed
.
If it feels sudden, if it feelslike a long struggle with
(08:36):
Alzheimer's or cancer, any ofthe physical conditions, you can
have an awareness of what isgoing on with the person.
Now I'm going to say thatbecause there's somebody going
to go.
Oh, my God, that sounds soscary.
They don't give you pain andsuffering as you feel their
passing, but you have awarenessof what's happening to them.
Mirav Ozeri (08:56):
So can you connect.
If somebody died 30 years ago,can you still connect to them?
Sure, yeah, I'm trying to thinkhow far back I've gone but for
sure 30 years, maybe for suremore than 30 years.
Did it change your perspectiveabout life?
Pam Meredith (09:12):
and death once you started doing it Completely,
completely, because I came torealize that this world that we
see, this three-dimensionalworld, is not all there is.
And so when we operate in thisworld, we all get caught up in
our day-to-day like, oh my God,you know where did I put my keys
and I'm late for work, but itit's.
There's so much way, way, way,way beyond what we see.
Mirav Ozeri (09:32):
So of course, it changed my whole life.
You have to be like a meditatorin order to connect to these
people.
You have to be a spiritualperson because before you said
everybody can tap into it, youcan learn to tap into it.
Pam Meredith (09:44):
You can learn to alter your state of
consciousness Essentiallyremember I said to you two
glands in the brain.
They're like your antennas, youknow.
So you're picking up yoursignals and then, in terms of
how do you take those signalsand process them into
information and then give themout like the radio does?
When you're processing theinformation, it's a shift in
(10:05):
consciousness and then you'reworking essentially
consciousness to consciousness.
So everybody knows like if youalter your state of
consciousness, like, let's say,a daydream, you have an
awareness that you've alteredyour consciousness, that you're
sort of gazing off into somekind of space and you're not
really completely here butyou're here.
So that's like a very beginningalteration of your state of
(10:26):
consciousness.
So the cycles per second inyour brain when you're speaking,
like you and I are right now inthis reality, we're in beta,
and then you're going to learnto drop your consciousness
through to alpha theta.
You're essentially learningself-hypnosis.
Psychologists, hypnotherapists,all know that you can alter your
state of consciousness.
(10:46):
You know they get rid ofsmoking or different things
people use for hypnosis, andyou're using literally almost
the same process to move yourconsciousness to what I'll call
a dream awake state.
So you're in a dream awakestate.
You've moved towards the cyclesper second in your brain that
you have for sleeping.
You're close to sleeping, butyou have to stay awake or else
(11:09):
you can't talk to your sitter.
Mirav Ozeri (11:10):
That's very difficult with that stage to
stay.
I remember I read the booksilver mind control and he talks
about that yes, and it's very,very.
I feel like like I'm fallingjust before I fall asleep and
then it's so hard to control andkeep on talking to your
subconscious.
Pam Meredith (11:29):
Yes, there's a fine line between, you know,
falling asleep and not makingany sense and then being able to
be in that little window.
There's a very fine line, youknow back in the day, because
nobody young remembers this, butthere used to be like a dial on
a radio.
Know, you had to have exactly98.9, and if you had 98.7 you
(11:50):
just hear static, right.
So altering your consciousnessto the right frequency for the
person that you're talking to isvery small.
Like you have to get in thatslim number of altering your
consciousness in order toreceive the information,
otherwise you might hearsomething and then static.
Hear something and then static.
Mirav Ozeri (12:10):
So in every reading you dial to a different kind of
number to tap in into.
Pam Meredith (12:16):
Well, there's not really a number.
No, I know, I mean it's justthe way, it's just an analogy,
yeah right, but you dial intothat wave or whatever.
Yes, exactly, you're going intotheir frequency, you're going
into their wavelength and you'regoing into the wavelength of
the person's consciousness andspirit and they're altering
theirs.
So this dimension is very, veryslow and their dimension is
(12:39):
very, very fast, and there'slots of pictures where people
have captured spirit moving.
It's like a speed of light.
What does a reading with youwill be like?
You know, I will always explainto somebody, if they haven't
had a reading, that I useclairvoyance, clairaudience,
clairsentience, claircognizance.
I use all my intuitive sensesand so I see, feel and hear
(13:01):
things.
I'll tell you exactly what I'mgetting and then, once I give
you enough evidence, you go ohyes, that's my grandmother on my
mom's side.
Then I'm going to talk to thatperson, ask them for messages or
information for you, and thenthere will be a period of time
at the end, like if you want toask questions.
Mirav Ozeri (13:16):
Wow, did it happen to you that somebody came to you
and you were not able toconnect with the sister relative
?
Pam Meredith (13:26):
There has been, on occasion, people where I can't
connect.
What do you think stops that?
There's always like a groupchat right, there's me, there's
the communicator who's inconsciousness, and then there's
my sitter, and so if any one ofus is really off that day, you
can have it sort of fall apart.
You could have a communicatorwho's very quiet, who's not
really wanting to come online,you know your sitter could be,
(13:46):
you know, deep in grief and notunderstanding the process.
Or I could be like oh, I didn'tget enough sleep last night.
Mirav Ozeri (13:52):
Do you have one reading that stuck with you?
Pam Meredith (13:55):
I do.
I have so many readings.
Well, there's so many that havestuck with me that are really,
you know, profound or poignant.
So one reading I have that Ilike to tell my students is that
when a person that the sitterthat you're sitting with you
know the live person says no toyou, that you have to kind of
not let that deter you from whatyou're understanding.
(14:17):
So the best, oh, this is so fun.
I had this man and in spirit,and I was talking to his alive
wife.
She was very devastated aboutthe loss.
I said to her towards the end,you know she knew I had her
husband there, I'd given theevidence of him.
But then I said to her he'stelling you that you have to go
get this card that he, like hand, wrote for you.
(14:39):
And she says to me nope, Idon't have a handwritten card.
And I said, okay, hang on asecond.
And I said to him she says shedoesn't have it.
Do you say?
Mirav Ozeri (14:49):
that out loud.
Pam Meredith (14:50):
Nope, okay.
So I say that in myconsciousness to him.
And he said yes, she does, it'svery important.
She has to go look for it.
So I said he said you have itand you have to go look for it.
She have to go look over it.
She goes, I have no idea whatyou're talking about.
I said, okay, hang on.
And he said you better tell mewhere it is and what it is,
(15:11):
cause she says she has no idea.
So he said tell her to goupstairs to her bedroom, to the
dresser on the left side, andopen that drawer.
And it's there.
So she does it and she rummagesfor a minute and she pulls the
card out and she started to cry.
She said, oh my God, I forgotabout this.
And the card she read to me Icried because it was so
beautiful and it was a love notefrom him.
And he said like no matterwhatever happens, I'll always
(15:32):
love you and I'll always be withyou.
And I was like, oh my God, youknow.
So we're all crying.
And then I asked her if shewould take a photo of it and
send it to me.
And so I keep that to remind melike this is real.
This is.
Here's the evidence right here,and my teacher, janet Havoc, and
the teachers that I worked withthrough Arthur Finley College
of Mediumship in England.
They're very strict about likeyou have to have evidence.
(15:56):
You can't just say I have yourhusband here or whatever.
You have to have the evidenceof that person.
So that's one story I love,because the person can be saying
no and yet the person in spiritcompletely knows.
I did have a lady really come tome about relationship and she
wanted to know about her, hercurrent partner, and she wanted
to marry that person.
(16:16):
I said to her no, that one,that one's not going to work out
.
And she was very mad at me.
She was like what?
You don't know what you'retalking about.
And I said I really don't, I'mjust telling you what your mom
is saying.
Like I really don't know, don'tcall, I'll tell everybody,
don't call me for relationshipadvice.
You're going to get it fromyour mother or your grandmother.
In any case.
(16:37):
They said, yes, you know that'snot going to work out.
And then I said the next oneyou meet is also not going to
work out.
It is going to only last fouror five months.
And then he said but the thirdone is going to be the one.
She says that you're going toknow him and you're going to
know right away that that's theone.
So she was very angry and she,you know, was cursing me out.
She left the office and I'mlike okay.
(16:57):
She came back one year laterwith her fiance and she said
this is my fiance, do youremember me?
I said no, and she said youtold me the first one didn't
work out and she said that'strue, it ended about three
months later.
And then she said you said thesecond one wasn't going to work
out and she said that lastedabout four months.
And then she said she was veryangry at me.
She was at home and she'dstopped dating and she was just
frustrated.
(17:17):
Her daughter had something thatshe she wanted to hang in her
room or something.
She called for a person to comeand fix the furniture thing.
The guy comes to the door andshe looks at him and she goes
like this is a made up name.
Okay, jonathan, oh, my God, Iremember you.
And he says oh yeah, we went tohigh school together.
Mirav Ozeri (17:37):
Oh, my God.
Pam Meredith (17:37):
And she said, yeah .
She said, well, come on in,I'll show you the job.
And she said they spent thewhole afternoon together.
And then, when he left, shesaid oh, that's the one, so she
came back a year laterintroducing him.
Mirav Ozeri (17:54):
They were engaged when that, when she finally came
back yeah, does it happen toyou that a spirit tells you
something and you choose not tosay it?
Pam Meredith (17:59):
yes, and I've had like lots of discussions with
people about this, becausestudents will say, well, I
believe a spirit told it to me.
I should say it because that'swhat they've given me.
There's really good, proficientmediums that'll say nope, I
just give exactly what I get andI don't.
Because I have had people.
I learned that in 9-11.
Like I've had people say to medid my husband get stabbed by
(18:22):
the terrorists or perish on theplane when it crashed?
And I'm like that is notsomething anybody needs to think
about, or you know what I mean.
Like everybody's going to thinkabout it, but we don't want to
put thoughts in people's headsthat are horrific.
So I always tell my studentsyour first job is do no harm.
My feeling is you should notever re-traumatize somebody.
(18:43):
So if I see a passing that isvery difficult to talk about,
I'll say it's sudden, it'straumatic, they're at peace now,
but it was horrific for thefamily and that's all they need
to know.
Mirav Ozeri (18:55):
So how does it work ?
There are billions of spiritsout there.
According to what you say,everybody that died, the spirits
troubles.
Pam Meredith (19:02):
Yeah, many, many, many.
Mirav Ozeri (19:03):
How can you tap into this one spirit?
Because you're in the presenceof a relative.
Pam Meredith (19:09):
Yeah, because your people are with you.
So you have friends and familyand spirit that are around you
and they're helping you, they'reguiding you, they're giving you
inspiration or, yeah, they'retalking consciousness,
consciousness with you, whetheryou are aware of it or not.
And so when I sit down with you, your family start coming
(19:30):
around.
They'll, they're here and assoon as and it is a challenge,
you know, because as a medium,you really have to control your
space.
Because if I go to a barbecueor whatever a gathering and
somebody starts talking, oh,you're a medium, tell me about
it.
I'm like, oh, can we talk aboutthat later?
Because if I start talking tosomeone about the process and
about the dimension of time andspace, then your people will
(19:53):
come in.
Wow, yeah, I'll just startautomatically shifting into it.
Everybody really would benefitby having conversations with
their own guides, healers,helpers, friends, family on the
other side, because they know alot.
They know the future, becausetime and space isn't linear.
So we are a construct of timehere is very limited, but over
there it's like past, present,future, sort of coexisting, and
(20:16):
they can tell us a lot of goodadvice.
Mirav Ozeri (20:18):
Like fortune teller .
Pam Meredith (20:20):
Telling them what's going to happen.
Yeah, you can, absolutely.
Yeah, oh my.
Mirav Ozeri (20:24):
So okay, now you're flustered, yeah, so you work
out of an office.
Pam Meredith (20:32):
People come to you .
Mirav Ozeri (20:33):
Yeah, how much does it cost for a reading?
Does it vary or is it somethingyou have a set price?
Pam Meredith (20:40):
Yeah, I'd have like a half price for a half
hour and a price for an hour.
Can.
Mirav Ozeri (20:45):
I come to you and just ask you to tell me about
the future.
Sure, how much does it cost?
Pam Meredith (20:49):
I want to do that.
I want to do that Well for meor for generally.
For you let's for example, sofor me, like 220 for an20 for an
hour and $1.25 for half an hour.
Mirav Ozeri (21:02):
What is the highest price you heard?
I remember Nancy Reagan had hermedium.
Pam Meredith (21:07):
Yeah, some people are charging a lot of money,
like a lot, like $1,000 an hour.
So some of those people thatare charging maybe even more
than that are what I would callcelebrity mediums.
What you want to make sure isthat you have recommendations
from people, that you have goodword of mouth, referrals, good
(21:28):
reviews, because there's peoplethat have gone and been conned.
So you want to make suresomebody has a legitimate
reputation that they're comingfrom a spiritual place that
they're.
You know that there's evidencethat the person has been
practicing for a long time, likeI wouldn't go necessarily for
someone who's just been intraining two years.
You know people really needsolid.
(21:50):
You know five, ten years oftraining right and some track
record and a track record.
So referrals, I think, are thebest people can say like know,
yes, she got the people I waslooking for, gave me good advice
, or what she said came to pass.
Mirav Ozeri (22:04):
What was the reaction of your friends and
family when they learned youwere a medium?
Pam Meredith (22:08):
Oof.
Well, they didn't believe you,right?
Yeah, some people don't believeme.
Some people are like rollingtheir eyes.
I mean, I think what I did wasI kept it on the down low for a
while.
I wasn't on the down low, Iwasn't out, and you know, coming
out as a medium was not asacceptable as it is today.
(22:30):
Like everybody's saying I'm amedium.
Now there's all over the Insta.
Mirav Ozeri (22:34):
How long ago did you kind of come out?
Pam Meredith (22:37):
How long did it take me?
So I was 40 when I startedtraining.
I continued training for like atleast 10 years and I was
working at the journey withinand became a spiritualist
minister in the spiritualisttradition.
Okay, so I was doing a lot, butI wasn't really advertising or
talking to people about it by 10years.
(22:58):
I was just, I was workingfull-time at it.
I couldn't hide it, you know.
I was really immersed in thewhole right scene.
I did my, I did the eat, pray,love journey and I and I went to
india and I was studying yogaand the eastern philosophies and
studied shambhala, budd, awhole you know a whole journey,
(23:18):
so people come to you and askyou to get in contact with a
specific entity or just whateveryou can when someone comes to
me, I ask them not to sayanything about who they're
looking for or any names.
Or some people come in withphotos.
I won't look at them becauseit's all evidence.
If you came in and you sat downand I say, oh, you want to do
(23:39):
mediumship, you said yes, thenI'm just going to go in the
quiet, I'm going to look for thefirst person that comes through
.
I always, you know, have anintention and a blessing to
bring in someone helpful andhealing for you.
Or if there was someone youdidn't want to hear from,
somebody who was nasty orabusive or something, I'm only
bringing through energies thatare helpful and healing to you.
Mirav Ozeri (24:02):
Do people also ask you to tell the spirit something
?
Pam Meredith (24:05):
Yes, they do, but just FYI, you can do that for
free.
They hear you all the time.
They don't have to pay me.
You can just tell them I'msorry or I love you, and they
hear you, they really hear you.
What's fun is to start to hearthem back.
You can just literally sit inthe quiet.
(24:25):
Your tools of divination can bewhatever you want.
You can have a candle, you canhave nothing, you can sit, you
know, outside with the birds,just as long as you feel calm
and quiet within yourself.
And so for those people,especially listening, that say
well, I'm not ever going to dothat as a job, but I'd like to
hear from my mom or my sister orwhoever, just sit in the quiet.
(24:46):
It has to be quiet because youneed to listen and you're not
going to necessarily hear asound outside yourself.
You could just literally hearit within your own inner ear.
So sit and use your imagination, imagine mom is here or whoever
you're looking for, and thenjust sit, listen, feel, try to
engage with the person and askthem also to leave you a sign.
(25:09):
You know they do all kinds ofsigns and signals.
Mirav Ozeri (25:13):
Like what kind of sign some spirit would leave.
Pam Meredith (25:15):
You know, one of the first things I start with
people who just want to havetheir own personal communication
they're not looking to become amedium is to sit with your
hands in your lap Either palm upor palm down, doesn't matter
and ask them to touch one ofyour hands so you have something
to compare it to, so you can,if one hand starts to feel cold,
or one hand starts to feel cold, or one hand starts to feel hot
(25:37):
, or one hand starts to feellike a tickling or anything that
you feel in one hand and youdon't feel on the other, that's
your person trying to say I'mhere.
You could also.
What I really love doing is Iask my mom every morning to drop
a song into my awareness, andso you you're gonna say to
yourself you're sitting there,you're waiting, blah, blah, blah
(25:58):
, and nothing's happening.
And then you get up and you canfind yourself humming a song
and you're like, oh, where didthat come from?
I haven't thought of that songin a million years.
Or I've had my mother drop asong into my head that I didn't
even know the song, what.
And you heard the song, thename of the song, and then I
went in a computer and looked itup.
(26:18):
There's so many beautiful wordsto songs that can be messages
for you from your loved one.
Mirav Ozeri (26:24):
Do you do readings for your own family, like your
grandmother, grandfather, or doyou connect with them?
Pam Meredith (26:30):
Yeah, so I have some family on the other side
that work with me and then Ihave other guides, healers and
helpers that work with me Interms of, like, doing a reading
per se.
Let's say I was going to do areading for my sister.
Okay, I can't really bringevidence to her that this is mom
or this is my you know dad, orwhoever I'm bringing through,
because we know everything aboutthat person.
(26:51):
So I tend to tell my sister togo to a fellow medium that
doesn't know her.
Mirav Ozeri (26:56):
When it happens, when you connect with this, does
it drain your energy?
Pam Meredith (27:00):
Yeah, I mean you have to work at that.
You know you have to build,like, look, you don't go run the
New York City Marathon tomorrow, you have to build it up.
And so you build up that energy, that power, that ability to
control the communication and torelease it.
Mirav Ozeri (27:17):
And how do you protect your own energy so, when
it's done, you still haveenergy to do other things?
Pam Meredith (27:21):
sometimes it actually just gives me energy
because that's so um upliftingand enlightening and you know
you forget about your owntroubles when you hear all this
information from the other side.
Have you ever seen the spirit?
Mirav Ozeri (27:35):
yes, you have yeah and you knew to recognize it as
a spirit when you saw it.
Yes, what does?
Pam Meredith (27:41):
it look like.
I mean, there's two differentthings that you're talking about
.
You can see people in lightbody.
Right when you might see, likeon a People have ring cameras
and they'll catch this ball oflight shooting across the frame
of the camera and so it couldjust look like a ball of white
light.
I've seen actually someonevideotaping someone's passing
(28:02):
and literally see the whitelight emerge from the mouth of a
person transitioning.
Mirav Ozeri (28:08):
So they really are in the form of light.
Pam Meredith (28:11):
Yeah, you can really see it as a ball of
bright white light.
Have I seen people materializea couple times where they send
like a I'll call it like itlooks like a hologram, because
it could be completely just likeI see you sitting there.
The person could manifest thatway to show you it's me and you
describe it to the client?
yeah, but I was saying to yousomething, you, about our
(28:37):
dimension of time and space.
It's very slow and thatdimension where you see the
light can travel really fast.
It's a dimension of time andspace that's not linear and it's
very, very fast.
So for them to come to us, theyhave to slow down and we have
to speed up, okay so?
Mirav Ozeri (28:52):
what's the biggest challenge and the biggest reward
of that job?
The biggest challenge.
Pam Meredith (28:57):
The biggest challenge is patience.
Reward of that job.
The biggest challenge.
The biggest challenge is it'spatience.
You takes you a long time tolearn this and if people say
they've been practicing one yearand they know everything, then
they're not the best you know,because it really does take
years of practice developingthat capacity to alter your
state of consciousness, you know, on command, kind of.
So that is the biggestchallenge is really learning to
control your thoughts cancontrol your mind, controlling
(29:20):
your consciousness, because ifyou're thinking your thoughts
you are not going to be able toreceive from spirit.
You have to quiet your mind.
Mirav Ozeri (29:26):
Are you able to quiet your mind, so no thoughts
are in your mind and you'retotally open to receive any kind
of information.
Pam Meredith (29:34):
I don't think any human being can completely calm
their mind like zero thoughts.
You know, in terms ofmeditation training they'll tell
you that that your thoughts arelike thousands per second.
So there's sort of what I wantto say the capacity to move your
cycles per second in your brainto a slower frequency, so that
there is it is slower and lower.
(29:55):
Get into that theta state oreven alpha, which is where most
people are doing their readings.
You know the aspect of thethoughts interfering can be
slower we never said what is thereward I mean, the reward is so
immense.
I think, once you open like theevidence, and you have the
evidence in front of you, howcan you ever look at life the
same again?
You cannot.
(30:16):
Everything is seen.
So you have a tremendousawareness of your responsibility
for your own actions, which alot of people don't seem to have
these days.
You know it's mind altering,it's heart altering.
You know when you, when youstart to understand that what we
have here, what you see here,is the tip of the iceberg and
(30:36):
there's many dimensions ofexistence, many, and you know
what.
Scientists know that.
And when you listen to you knowastrophysicists and quantum
physicists.
They know there's otherdimensions.
I mean Neil deGrasse Tyson who,I feel like, sort of speaks to
the average person as best theycan as astrophysicists.
He explains there's manydifferent dimensions and so it's
(30:57):
just that we don't havecapacity to imagine what they
all are.
Mirav Ozeri (31:00):
If people want to go to a medium services, how can
they know if it's authentic?
Pam Meredith (31:06):
Look for their training.
Ask them who they trained with,who they studied with, how long
they trained and how manyreferences do they have?
You know, I've seen peopleonline that have like three
reviews.
That's not enough.
That's not enough.
I'm not really out there a loton Instagram or Facebook.
(31:27):
Why?
I'm just old school.
I guess I'm a word of mouthperson, so COVID changed
everything because I never didreadings on Zoom before.
Mirav Ozeri (31:37):
COVID, is it more difficult for you to connect to?
Pam Meredith (31:38):
the entity via zoom to no, it makes no
difference it makes nodifference, because they're in
light body and they come and sitwith me so you could also do it
on the phone.
Mirav Ozeri (31:46):
Yeah, amazing, okay , well, thank you so much you
won't get the lottery numbers.
Pam Meredith (31:52):
That's not included, oh, yeah, yeah yeah,
that's a good question.
No lottery numbers.
Mirav Ozeri (31:58):
People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery numbers All
the time.
Pam Meredith (32:01):
They say I'll pay you 10% if you give me the
lottery numbers or I'll split itwith you.
I'm like it doesn't work thatway.
Can you get?
Mirav Ozeri (32:08):
the lottery numbers for yourself.
No, no, because there's noentity.
That is part of it, right.
Yeah, it lacks it.
You that it's part of it, right.
Pam Meredith (32:15):
Yeah, it lacks it.
You know it's not what this isabout, right Like this is really
about higher consciousness, andso if your consciousness is
like, oh, I just want the money,that's a lower consciousness.
Mirav Ozeri (32:26):
Yeah, I can see that.
You're sort of shootingyourself in the foot there.
I'm glad you said that, becauseI'm sure people would think
what about the lottery?
Pam Meredith (32:42):
Yeah, and also don't go to your medium and say
what's our code word?
You know, people come in withcode words with their person
who's passed like.
I'll know it's you when youtell?
Me, you know, when you sayelephant, oh, and I'm like don't
, don't ask for a code, becauseit's very difficult.
You might get it, but it'd bevery difficult there's a whole
new world.
Mirav Ozeri (32:55):
Thank you so much yeah, thank you fun.
And that's our chat with MediumPam Meredith Pretty wild, if
you ask me.
If you like this episode,please follow us, leave a review
or share it with friends wholove a good story.
Until next time, stay open,stay curious, because the end
(33:15):
scene might be closer than youthink.
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