Tape 58 - "Best of '95" - How To Make A Mixtape

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How too many? Now, the making of a good
compilation tape is a very subtle art.
Many do's and don'ts. First of all, you're using
someone else's poetry to expresshow you feel.
This is a delicate thing. You got to kick it off with a
killer grab attention. Then you got to take it up

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enough. I don't want to throw you off.
So then you got to cool it off anotch and there are a lot of
rules. There he is.
All right, I'll turn off the heater.
OK, do you want to play? You won't be too chilly, will
you? Well two things you need to play
the weather Jingle it it done got cold up in this bitch. 38°

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outside right now. Wow, It that's that's OK in the
fall, 'cause you know it's gonnaget a little warmer.
Totally fine, it'll warm up to 50 today, but for right now?
And not only that but I'm getting new Windows.
Do you know how much being an adult sucks Dick?
It does. You talked about, you talked
very down on one of the companies, Universal calling
you. Yeah.
Oh, hold on a second. Let me see how many times

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they've called me since the lasttime we were recorded. 1234, 567
times. Jesus, dude.
Universal Windows maybe answer it.
Maybe it's a shot for a sponsorship.
Maybe it's a shot for a sponsorship.

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Maybe. Down Universal Windows will
advertise the shit out of it. I'll answer if you give me a
deal on Windows. Can you imagine a mixtape of
music podcast advertising for Window?
It makes notes. Welcome to How to Make a
Mixtape, proudly sponsored by Universal Window.
Universal Windows did whatever it took to get them to stop
calling Donnie. All right, I turned, I turned my

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heater off. But the reason that it's so cold
in here is 'cause my windows areold and I will not need a heater
soon because I guess new Windowsmake it not cold inside.
OK, fucking a Halloween was yesterday.
Halloween was yesterday. What'd you do?
Would you? Hey, I was supposed to go to a
parade. There's a big Halloween parade

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here. Wait a second, is that fucking
murder She wrote on your T-shirt?
Are you planning your outfits around how good of shirts you're
wearing? Just so I'll acknowledge you.
It's a. Murder Pedestrian.
Murder by death with Angel Ransbury shirt.
What do you mean planning my outfits around?
Like, do you wear the coolest shit so that I'll compliment
your outfits 'cause I complimented your Mannequin
Pussy sweatshirt the other day, now I complimented your Angela

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Lansbury T-shirt? I don't, but I appreciate it.
I just, I try to wear music stuff 'cause I have so much of
it, you know? Oh shit, and you are too.
I had a. Hoodie up?
I had a hoodie up before the episode and I threw a me first
sweatshirt on. Yeah, it's awesome.
Long story short, there's a dopeparade I was supposed to go to,
but I ended up having to work late on Halloween, which made me

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miss the parade's really early, which is I guess so people can
go with their kids and then still go trick or treating.
So kind of makes sense. But the parade was really early
and I couldn't get out of work for it.
And then no, I didn't do anything.
Didn't do anything. I watched.
I watched some Goosebumps stuff which I actually am surprised
how much I like it's. Pretty good.

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The David Schwimmer one. Have you seen that show?
I haven't, but I heard it's actually really good.
It's good, like the movies were decent and then the the the new
David Schwimmer, it's not that new, but the show is good.
So I watched that to be a littlebit spooky.
That's really cute. What'd you do?
Absolutely nothing worked. Oh fuck.
I remember OK. I didn't do anything.

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I was in Narwhal. Narwhal.
I was in Narwhal. OK, like just on calls and
stuff. Yep, for sure didn't do shit for
Halloween. I took candy from like the
places that had it for sure. I mean, I don't give a shit if
it if it's not for me. I still wanna Reese's Peanut
Butter cup. Sure.
And then I so this is not ATV ormovie podcast, but I have two

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important things to talk about TV and movie related.
You remember I sent you that clip on Instagram of that monkey
singing the whole song? Yes.
And I need you to put a clip of the whole song here so everybody
can hear the butt hole, butt hole, eye hole, nose hole, mouth
hole, ear hole, pussy hole, Dickhole.
Nice hole. What hold that hole?
Eye hole? Ear hole?

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Nose hole? Nostril.
Dick. Hole eye hole nostril pussy hole
penis hole butt hole ear hole eye hole.
Eye hole, Glory hole, My hole, Yori hole.
Glory hole? Glory hole?
What the thing of glory hole keep those holes coming song
from the clip of the movie. So I saw that clip of the movie
and I'm like, this is probably gonna be kind of a funny movie.

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And then I rented it, paid real money to rent it 'cause it's not
available on streaming. It's probably I had said that
the new Leo movie, What is that one called?
One battle after another. Yep, I said that that was
probably one of the best fuckingmovies I'd seen in the last few
years. Sunlight, I believe, is the name

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of the movie with the monkey. OK.
It is. And it's a Stephen King movie,
correct? Not at all.
Oh, I thought you said the monkey one was the Stephen King
one. No, not at all.
Never mind. Strike that from the record.
Yeah, cut it out. The woman's name is Nina Conti
and the guy's name is Shinoa Allen, and it's mostly just

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those two. It came out late last year, but
I like that funny clip of the video.
The monkey just came across my social media streams recently.
It's got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes.
It's one of the best movies I'veseen in the last.
It's probably top five movies I've seen in the last 10 years.
Really. So good, it's so funny.

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It's like heartwarming. It's a love story.
It's cute, it's silly, it's awkward, it's funny.
It tugs the heartstrings. It deals with like some tough
stuff as well. Fucking fantastic.
It came out in August last year.Nina Conte is like an comedian,
but she's also a ventriloquist, which is where the character of
the monkey came from. And then her and Shinoa.

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Just like what's it called when you don't do shit for real.
Improv. Most of Yeah, improv, most of
their shit back and forth. It is fucking fantastic.
So a couple things. One, I was picturing a different
monkey thing that you've sent mebefore.
I was picturing that little toy monkey with the.
With the multiple monkey things.Or we've talked about that, at
least. As soon as I saw this monkey, I
I remembered what you were talking about.

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But I was picturing the little monkey toy with the symbols.
Yeah. Isn't that a Stephen King movie?
Yes, that. Well, that was a vignettes like
a couple, like a silly story. That one was called the Monkey.
OK, but now that I see this, I remember what you're talking
about. What's awesome is this says it's
a Christopher Guest movie. I did not know I love
Christopher Guest. Spinal Tap best in show all

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that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally is.
Is it that kind of humor? He's a producer, no?
But it's funny and heartwarming,that's what.
I need it's heartwarming. It's a little it's a little
dark, like it's a little bit of a dark comedy.
God, it's fucking good, man. It's so good.
And I like I keep trying to tellpeople like you should check out

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this movie and they're like, I'mgood.
Please. If you want like a fun
heartwarming post Halloween movie, this is the one.
Heck yeah. Incredible.
And then the second thing is I'mwatching the show Task on HBO,
so. Good, don't give anything away.
I'm only three episodes in because I lost access to my HBO
but so. Good.
So far it's the best I've seen in a minute.

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For like, streaming TV, yeah. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Since we're talking about TV One, everybody's watching that
because it's deservedly so fantastic.
Yeah. So good.
I just I finally just started severance and it has me I'm
grip. Oh, I haven't started.
It's so good. I put it off because it's one of
those shows I could tell would probably be a heavy lift, but
it's actually not as heavy of a lift as I thought.

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And it's so good. And then I just watched, I
probably forget the title. It's a Bill Murray movie that's
streaming newer and it's a Jim Jarmusch film, which I had no
idea. It's called The Dead Don't Die.
It's Adam, dude. The the list, the cast list on
this thing. I just kind of put it on because
it was on my Netflix list for a while.

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The cast of this movie Bill Murray, Adam Driver, Tom Waits,
Steve Buscemi, Danny Glover, Chloë Sevigny Who?
I remember the I remember seeingpreviews for this.
It's old. It came out in 2019.
It doesn't have good reviews. Rosie Perez, Rizza, Carol Kane,
dude, it goes on and on. It is fine.
It's I, it's fine. I gave it.

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I think I gave it like I have a letterbox now.
I think I gave it three stars because I get it.
Like Jim Jarmusch doing a comedyis a little weird.
Like his movies have dark humor in them inherently.
Do you know Jim Jarmusch at all?Do you know what I'm who I'm
talking about? His movies are always very
strange. He did like coffee and
cigarettes. He did one of my favorite movies

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called Dead Man. It's very underground filmmaker,
very like like him and Tom Waitsare probably best friends.
Like that's the company I think this guy keeps so.
Just weird dudes being weird dudes.
Yeah, and so this was a weird movie, and I think the previews
don't make it seem like such. Oh, Adam Butler was in this.
Selena Gomez. So many people.
Anyway, it was OK actually I thought it was decent.

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It was very slow paced, which probably turns people off.
The humor is very dark and then it kind of breaks the 4th wall a
bunch, which I think some peopleit bothers people.
I thought it was funny. But anyway, that cast was crazy
in this movie. There's more I'm I'm forgetting
people too. Tilda Swinton.
Anyway. But you say worth a watch.

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I, I, I think if you maybe wait till next year, I think it was a
nice kind of Halloween time watch because maybe I would like
it even less if I wasn't alreadyin like a, because this is a
zombie movie. They, they don't, they don't
hide that it's a zombie movie. So I think being in the mood
kind of made me like it a littlebetter.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
For sure, but Bill and Bill Murray and Adam Driver are
really good in it, so God. Terrible reviews on Rotten

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Tomato. Yeah, rotten.
Rotten Tomato. Rotten Tomatoes.
Anyway. Great reviews on Rotten
Tomatoes. What's that?
Run, run. Don't watch.
Watch that movie. All right, well, I think it's
time for music news. All right, I'm going to start

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with the one that we've referenced before.
So we spoke on a previous episode about Lily Allen having
a new album coming out. What we didn't address is the
content of the album because we didn't know at the time.
You later messaged me a bunch ofthe clip, like lines from lyrics
and some of the songs prior to the album even coming out,
right? And now the album's out and it

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is. Have you listened to it?
No. It is.
She's gone scorched earth on this dude on.
On Hopper. David Harbour.
Yeah. Yeah, apparently just a.
Dick though. Yeah, So what I gather.
We got one. We only got one set of the
story. We only got one side of the
story from what I gather they they had an open relationship

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but there were rules to it and he broke all the rules and also
was a Dick. Like some of the stuff he
reportedly said was like well itsounded like he was just an ego
maniac or a narcissist just inserting himself and stuff.
You're right, we only heard one side of the story but that's her
side. She went full Scorchers on Earth
on this thing, and she apparently wrote all 14 songs in

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10 days, like right after their marriage ended.
So she was in a headspace, a very specific headspace, writing
this record. So it's worth a listen, man,
it's good. I like Lil.
I think we both like Lily Allen.I think some people don't.
Get a 2025 version of You ought to know.
Is that really what we got? No, not really that.

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That would have been nice. Well, I don't know if Lily Allen
really does that kind of stuff. I think I need to listen to it
again. I just listened to it once
through and I think I was over listening to the lyrics.
I think I need to listen to it just as a record now, you know
what I mean? Like how are how are these
songs? I was like honed in on the words
she was singing. Sure, yeah.
And she's got that accent, so that's a little bit of a battle

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in. Obvious reasons, Billy Eilish.
Did you see that that theme? I'm.
Kind of over it. Get over what?
I'm kind of over Billie Eilish now.
You don't. You don't have to get over
anything. You can.
I'm I'm over her like. So she she wants an award that I
don't understand what the award was for because it was from the
Wall Street Journal, but she when they apparently when what's

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his face? Stephen Colbert introduced her.
He also shared that she had justdonated like 11 and a half,
$1,000,000 to like a world Hunger Organization, which, you
know, is awesome. That's a lot of fucking money.
Great. And celebrities donate money a
lot. So that wasn't the news, but off
of the back of him saying that to the crowd.
Then she got up and called out billionaires for not doing

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anything and there was a bunch of them sitting in the room.
And I am a fan of that. I am a fan of Mark Zuckerberg's
awkward face when Billy Eilish tells him he's basically a piece
of shit. So.
Yeah, that's good. I'm here for that.
I I don't want to end on sad news.
I have two more pieces, so I'll do the sad one.
Now you can have. 10 pieces. Stray Cats and the Brian Setzer

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Orchestra are likely not going to be bands anymore because
Brian Setzer has an autoimmune disease now.
And he's not in pain, apparently.
And it's not like a cognitive thing, but it's like a muscular
thing. And he literally can't use his
hands. And so you can't be one of the
best guitar players of all time if you can't use your hands.
He posted an update recently saying he's was finally able to

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hold a pin and tie his shoes. That's how much this thing has
affected him so. Wait, I thought you said we
weren't going to end on on a setWe're.
Not I have one more piece of news.
After this, Jesus Christ, all right, because we're at the
bottom. Yeah, so that's a huge bummer.
I've, you know, my dad has Parkinson's.
I know how that stuff goes. It's hard to watch.
And I can't imagine how he feelshaving that be part of his

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profession and just who he is. So much love to Brian Setzer.
I've listened to a lot of Brian Setzer in my life, whether it be
Stray Cats or Brian Setzer Orchestra High Note, I think
Melissa Alf Dermar of famously of Hole for a short time of
Smashing Pumpkins. She's releasing A memoir called

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Even the Good Girls Will Cry, a 90's rock memoir, and I Can't
Wait You. Think she's going to read what?
She writes about, I don't think she's a shit talker, but I
imagine there's going to be somegreat stories in that memoir
about her days with Courtney Love and Billy Corgan and the
whole crew. What a hysterical because

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Courtney Love and Billy Corgan were like what is their fucking
shtick? What's their deal?
They dated for a while. They dated before she was with
Kurt. Kurt, right?
And then Kurt died, and then they were back together for a
bit. I think it's very love hate.
I think they are attracted to probably each other's
personalities because they're actually kind of similar.

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And then they probably realize that doesn't work being around
somebody just like you. And so then they blow up.
It feels like the cycle that they get in.
I don't know, man. Yeah.
Talk about the most insufferablecouple you could ever spend time
with. Dude, Can you imagine?
Could you imagine a road trip with those two?
Absolutely. Well, I'd throw myself out the
goddamned. Car, they would forget you were
in the car 'cause they would just be the two of them talking

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the whole time and arguing and shit.
You wouldn't get a word in edgewise.
To tell you that good riddance. Shall we bring in the guest?
Yeah. Shall we address the guest?
Let's let's try and bring in theguest.
Let's see if we can. Let's see if we're able to, all
right. Why hello there.

(16:01):
It's me, John Gobblecon, host ofthe number one comedy podcast in
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This is for little gimmicks. This is for their pod.
Oh, wait, a little gimmicks. Carl, let me try this again.
Oh my God, you think being the number one comedy podcast host
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(16:24):
Kislexid. Sorry, dyslexic.
I would say the word backwards. Anyways, this is for the podcast
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Mixtape. Well, hey, remind me, do you
need me to record this somehow on this end, OK.

(17:26):
No, we're good. Mr. Over prepared this time.
Hey, listen. Do you need me to record like,
Yeah. Do you need me to write all
these things down like? Yeah, I hired A stenographer
too. She's right behind me.
She's already typing as we speak, yeah.
Yeah, all of a sudden you're going to be teacher's pet after
a no show. That's.
Right, I got to earn extra credit.

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Yeah, Excuse me, Misses, Misses Adams.
Mike did not appear in class today.
I have relatives who've been arrested for that so for not
showing up. For real, not showing up for
school. No for court.
Well, for court. Yeah, very different.
Well, Mike Adams, welcome back to the podcast.
Thanks, It's my pleasure to be here.

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You're back for the second time.It's our pleasure.
For you to be here. Yeah, kind of like we're here
tangentially on a previous episode as we discussed you not
being on the episode. Oh, whoops.
Dang, you dragged my ass A. Little.
Bit, is this your? Would this be like your third
time? Second time, yeah, No, I know
it's your second time, but does the one that you didn't show up

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for count? Like are you?
I'm saying no, it doesn't count.I I had no representation.
I was only I was merely being disparaged and libeled against.
And it couldn't, you can't be a it couldn't be a nicer person.
Like you're one of the nicest guys I know.
So it did feel bad dragging you a little bit, but it's.
OK, I earned it. I earned it.

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I also you guys don't know this about me but a no call no show
that's that's not my style and Iwas wrecked for about 3 days
just with guilt and shame and haven't let you guys down so I
really appreciate you giving me a second shot at this.
I just tried to put a document in the chat for an unexcused

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absence, but it doesn't. It doesn't work.
It was a media, but it doesn't work.
Your unexcused absence documentation didn't show up in
the chat. Mike, I would have assumed that
about you. You've always struck me as a
very overly responsible person, if anything.
Yeah, that's a. That's a trauma response is what
that is. Yeah, OK.
That. Makes sense.
That makes sense. Yeah.
Well, Speaking of trauma, MM Adams of Mike Adams at his

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honest weight. You've got a new single out
since last spoke. Yeah, that's right.
Shit. Yeah.
Yeah, I was honored. I don't know, for all I know you
sent it to to like 200 people, but I did feel honored that I
got an e-mail with the song before it was officially
released to check out. I did not send it to 200 people,
so OK, you should feel good. Well, I I it.
Was about 180. Yeah.

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Yeah, we know so many people. Yeah.
So the song is called Slow Zoom.How, how would you describe?
It does feel like it's slightly different from some of the old
Mike Adams, that it's honest. Wait, music.
Yeah, The main thing that's different about it is that the
band actually recorded it together in a recording studio
instead of me just doing it by myself at home.

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So that's what gives it its mainsort of different flavor, is
that it's a lot more people on it than just me.
It was also not, it was a song that was just kind of hanging
around and we, I didn't really have a home for it, you know,
like an album or anything. And it wasn't like it fit with
other stuff I was working on at the time.

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It's just one that kind of fell out and was homeless.
And yeah, then our friend who inthe studio needed a a band to
run an experiment on some gear that he was using, some new
stuff he'd gotten. So yeah, we did the favor and he
recorded the song and then it was like, well what do we do
this? And it sat around for like 4
years before we finished it like, oh wow, It just didn't

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have a yeah it didn't. And it was right in the middle
of like COVID stuff. So it was just one of the
things. That kicking around for a long
time. It has, yeah, yeah.
And, and we even would like be like, oh, we should book time to
mix this song. Yeah, let's do that.
And then we would just not do it, you know?

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And a Gone felt like streaking through a football game in the
stands. I heard you Call My Name from

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back home. Yeah, I, I know you've done
both, obviously. Do you find yourself kind of
going through cycles of like, I,I just want to do this by myself
and then know I want to do this with a full band because I know
there's there's, you know, obviously merits to both ways
of, of writing music and recording.

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Do you kind of cycle through them or?
Yeah, absolutely. Like I sometimes need to be in
total control and just be in my own little universe that I've
built and work that way at my own pace, which is tends to be
kind of a hyper. It's it's a manic episode is
what it is. When I have a manic episode, I
need to work by myself and work hard and have the whole world

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disappear and just live in my little bubble.
But once I do that for a while, I really need some collaboration
and connection and ideas like rattled loose by people that I
trust and love. And so, yeah, it's definitely
like a real back and forth. There's no real rhythm to it.
Like I can never predict which one's coming.

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It's real. I just follow the vibe, you
know, but in of my own vibe. But and if I'm trying to
collaborate when I'm not in thatspace, it doesn't go well.
And when I'm trying to work alone, when I need people
around, it doesn't go well. So I just have to really pay
attention to that call, you know?
I saw, I saw a clip in the last couple days, it was everybody's

(23:11):
got a podcast now. People need to stop starting
podcasts. I quit mine.
Mine's done. Did you?
I was going to ask. OK.
Well, I didn't quit it, it just stopped.
OK, it quit you. That's right.
But they were saying it was. They were obviously musicians
and they were like with they were like, there's a few
exceptions to this, but basically bands should not be
democracies. Bands need somebody with a

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vision. Is that is that your take as
well? Done in both ways, Yeah.
And yeah, like you said, there are merits to both for sure.
I think it depends on what everybody needs.
Like, for me, I need to be productive and I need to be
clearing my head out constantly.And so being in a total
democracy makes that really slow.

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Yeah. But I have been in bands that
were total democracies where it's like I can let go of any
precious sort of need for control or need for expression,
like specifically, and I can just have this become whatever
it is becoming in the moment. Was there a man called Prayer
Breakfast for a while? That was just all guys I respect

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immensely. It was really kind of a pickup
band and every practice we wouldshow up with nothing prepared,
just kind of jam around a littlebit, which I don't really like
jamming, but that was jamming with intent kind of, and it
worked well. And then we would create songs
out of these jams kind of. And no one was really driving

(25:01):
that, that bus, you know? And I loved it, but it was also
no one had any stakes. No one had their identity
attached to the thing, you know.I think what tends to happen,
and I can't speak for every band, but I think what tends to
happen in those types of bands too though, is if nobody's
driving the bus, so to speak, things tend to just kind of
disappear a little easier, right?

(25:22):
Like when people's schedules gethard or it's whatever.
It's like, since nobody's the driving force, it's really easy
for that to just stop. Oh, that band.
That band was when we did it. We did it when we weren't, no
one was even thinking about it. If we made a record, it was a
miracle. And, you know, and also
everything took years and years,but no one was like, I have to
get this out of me. It was more about, oh, what

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happens when we put ourselves together?
And then when we can do that, let's do that.
Great. And everyone had other creative
endeavors that were their kind of main deal, you know, But it
was just a really nice confluence.
And to me, my personal favorite example of like a democratic
situation I've been in, even though my main gig is very, you
know, I rule with an iron fist, so.

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Right. Yeah.
So everybody should go listen toSlow Zoom.
I, I don't remember what I replied to the e-mail about it,
but to me this is one of those songs that's like a wave, right?
It starts very slow or not slow.It's not necessarily slow, but
it starts like at a certain level and the kind of crescendos
and it comes back down a little bit to me.
Like I love these kind of long crescendoing type of songs.

(26:58):
Because I heard a little Beach Boys in it when I was listening
to it. Or some Bryan Adams or not Bryan
Adams, Bryan Wilson. Sorry, got my got my branch
there. Both sure, which I know is an
influence of yours. I believe we talked about them
on the last episode you were on.Yeah, I can't escape aping The
Beach Boys. Yeah, yeah, it's a great song.
I really enjoy it. I also Did I see or is it just a

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rumor or something? Is husband and wife doing a
reunion show? Yeah, in March, yeah.
So a couple things, one Don, foryou and for listeners.
That was my first time I met Mike in college was when a buddy
Brian, who's been on the pod, Don, he did the horns episode,
who I was in a band with at the time.
I was in a punk band, was obsessed with husband and wife

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who it was one of Mike's early bands.
They were kind of local legends in Bloomington were great.
Like you guys had your shit together at a level that most
indie bands didn't, at least theones that I were watching in
other basements. Away from home, away from me.
How soon can I get of changing my dress, changing everything

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that I know? Yeah, that's where I would have
been. Yeah, that's where I would have
met you and I had quite a few husband I I actually did some
album release posters for you guys.
You did? Yeah.
I've got 1 hanging on the wall in my living room actually.
Yeah, that was a good time. I I, I really enjoyed that band.
Good dudes. I mean, is everybody coming back

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for it? Is Tim.
Yeah, actually, Tim is the only one who's actually out of town
now. He's in Tim's in Chicago.
The rest of us are all, I wound up back in Bloomington and yeah,
yeah. So we're, we have a text thread
going, so it's semi official. You know, we're sort of
planning. It feels like we have forever.
We don't. So we really got to get on it.

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I think we're going to have an opportunity for like one or two
practices. But I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I think, you know, I wasn't
dying to do a reunion show ever,and I actually didn't think I
would ever. That's just not my scene really.
But when we get invited to do it, everyone was kind of like, I
guess if the other guys want to do it, I would do it.
And it just became like, oh, I'mnot going to stand in the way of

(29:16):
anyone's good time. And it sounds fun at this point
for me, it sounds fun to revisitthose songs from now and sort of
see how that feels. And I don't feel like I have to
put myself back in that space. Yeah, to do it.
So since I can feel that way, I feel pretty good about it.
If you if you're out there and you liked husband and wife,
you're probably gonna have to follow somebody to know because

(29:38):
you can't Google husband and wife reunion.
No, definitely not. Like a lot of a lot of very
heart warming stories come up about couples reuniting, but it
doesn't really work for. It's kind of ungooglable, you
know? It is.
All right. Well, Mike, what's the theme for
the mixtape today? Oh my gosh, what was the best of

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1995? You guys really threw me the
hardest thing you could think ofI think.
Are the is the best of a year hard for you?
Best of is favorite. Best of is so hard for me.
Yeah. And even now I'm looking at my
list right now and it's just like, I don't know.
These aren't. These are just the things I
like. Yeah.

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What so was that What was hard about it for you was the
semantics of best versus favorite.
A little bit and also like, you know, something I was thinking
about a lot leading up to this is like I've loved music since I
was born, but I feel like I didn't really like become a
proactive music listener until like 1997.
So my 1995 knowledge is all kindof it not retroactive.

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It just like I wasn't paying attention in 1995 to like new
releases, what's new, what's coming out this year, you know,
and even though it's all very close, like there's stuff I was
definitely listening to that came out of 1995.
I just wasn't tuned in like that.
And so filtering my own brain back through that thinking like
the best of 95. And that feels so huge, like my

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my own window into the music that I especially liked back
then and stuff that I like now and stuff that has had staying
power for me. It feels so limited.
And I feel like I don't want to be pompous to be like, this is
the best thing from 1995. I.
Think we use language very loosely on this podcast, Mike,
Like it's a mixtape. It's whatever the hell you
wanted to me to be honest with. You.

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Well, that's where I went. That is where I went for sure.
It just presented a challenge. Yeah, Don, you were before we
hit record, you were talking about one of the main issue
challenges you had, which I think I shared.
Everything good came out in 94 and 96.
Dude, yes, actually. Everything good came out in
9496. Like I mean, there's definitely
some good shit from 95 and I totally took the route.

(31:44):
It's my favorite shit from 95. It's not the best shit from 95.
I mean, some of it's the best. I'm going to argue with you
that. I think it's the best.
But yeah, for sure every. But when I was doing research,
it was like, OK, shit like the single came out in early 95, but
the album came out in like N94. Fuck.
All right, well, I can't put that on the mixtape because, you
know, technically the album didn't come out that year.

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So that was a. Yeah, there was one song I had
to cross off my list because it was like, oh, it the release I'm
familiar with, it was like, oh, it's from 95.
And then I realized, oh, it's a comp and this is actually a
single from 93. Yeah, so totally.
Yeah, I had a lot of that. I had a lot of, you know, a lot.
I made a playlist and then I wasgoing through double checking
that one. It hadn't, we hadn't had that
song done. And then I was also like double
checking that it came out in 95 and I probably had to get rid of

(32:28):
seven or eight songs off. I had a long list, but I had to
get rid of a lot because, yeah, it's like it got big in 95, but
it came out in 94. Even sometimes 93.
It it was. Yeah, it was a tough one.
And like some of my favorite bands put out music in 95, but I
like the stuff more that they did in 94 or 96 later or.
Earlier yeah. The other problem I ran into

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Don, is we this is our wheelhouse.
Like mid 90s, nineties is our wheelhouse.
We've already picked so much shit that came out.
Like there was a lot of stuff. And again, like Mike, if you
pick that, it's all good becauseyou're a guest.
But like Don and I try really hard not to like repeat, yeah,
repeat stuff. And I'm like some of my all time
favorite stuff actually did. There's a couple albums that are
some of my all time faves that came out in this year and I've

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already talked about them too much on this podcast, so I'm not
I'm not picking those. So that was a challenge too.
But yeah, I mean, it's going to be fun.
Doesn't love talking about the 90s?
As true as all this is that we're saying, and as difficult
as this was, I was immediately pleased that you said 95,
because one of my favorite albums by my favorite band came
out in 95. So that felt like, I know what,

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yes. I think I know what that might
be, Mike, but I'm going to save that for you.
It's time. I might try to guess.
I might see if I can guess. But all right, let me let me
read the rules here and then we'll get into it.
So number one, you got to have akiller opening track that grabs
the listeners attention. 2 Each song should flow smoothly into
the next three. The mix tape should have a good
balance of genres, tempos and moods. 4, The mix tape should

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tell a story or convey an emotion.
Five, it can't be too obvious but can't be too obscure either.
6 you can't double up on songs by the same artist.
And seven, the closing track should leave a lasting
impression. Make the listener crave more.
I will also say I wrote a note. I wrote a post it for myself.
Don to not forget this and I just skipped over it.
You're listening to How to Make a mixtape.

(34:19):
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baggy pants on and like a walletchain?
Something could we like pre record them and then speed it up
so you sound like Alvin and the Chipmunks?
I tried that once. It was, it was a gimmicky.
Maybe I'll have, maybe we'll have the guests read them from
now on. Oh, you want to go first, second
or third in their rotation, Mike?
I forget what I did last time I,you know, honestly, well, OK, I

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know that I'm sequencing later, but I don't feel when you
reminded the of the rules there.I don't feel like I have a
killer opener. So I kind of, if one of you guys
feels like you have one that's like this would make a grid
opener. Not that it will definitely be
because I am making the sequence, but I feel like I
don't have like a knockout opener.
Well, is. It your turn to go.

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First you were before me last 1 so it's mine to go first this
time and I do have a killer opener.
Mine's probably better, but go ahead.
Yeah, it's not. I'm going to.
This wasn't going to be my firstpick, but because you said that,
you know what, I will kick it off.
This should be the opener. It's This is How We Do It by
Montel Jordan. It's not that good.

(36:03):
Mine's better, but it's. A great opener.
It starts with like the the the party noise, like they're about
to play a party and then it justkicks off.
It's so recognizable. I'll give it.
I mean, I'll just say this now, I like a lot of music from this
era and so I tried really hard to represent kind of four
different. I did the same thing.
Genres I guess, but more like the like 4 different things that

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I was listening to at the time. OK, good.
So like this is kind of my R&B. There's such good R&B in the mid
90s and I remember it so much because I'm at middle school
dances in 1990 shirts. So like, I'm absolute.
Oh, the silk shirts for a shirt.Was that thing?
Why was this silk shirt a thing?It really was.
I had a few. Yeah, I think our to our

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guessing, not sure. I think to our parents
generation that was like fancy, like silk was like hiding, like
it was hard to get and then but then you could buy it at JC
Penney and Sears when we were kids, so.
A lot of silk shirts. But this song is still, I mean,
this is still a class. You will still hear this at a
party or at a bar. Yeah, it's ubiquitous.
It's. Or a sporting event.

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I feel like you say that title and it's like everyone hears
that song in their head right away.
Yeah. Absolutely.
I'm surprised that we've talked about this for Don.
Like it's what artists have morestreams than others.
I'm shocked how few streams thishas.
Oh. Really, I didn't even know.
I mean, it's still 350 million streams on just.
On Spotify, fewer than I thoughtit would have.
Fewer than I thought, but if youlook at the sales, this single

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alone, not even the album, the single went five times platinum.
So like people were spending money and that's not even the
album. So again, like that's where like
when did streaming start and who's listening to this stuff?
It's it's an interesting kind ofback and forth.
I mean, it's obviously by far his most streamed.
And actually there's another version of it too.
It's like the clean version is 355 mil, the explicit version,

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which I don't know that I knew there was an explicit.
Yeah, I wonder what it says. 72 mil.
I'm not even sure where he wouldcurse in this song.
I'm happy to finally pull MontelJordan out of the pocket and
drop him. Drop them on the 95 mixtape.
Him and OG are going to make some cash.
Why did? Sell a million records and
they're making the dash. Why did people wear silk shirts

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to school dances? People wore silk skirts, silk
shirts to school dances because they were fashionable, luxurious
and comfortable, symbolizing status and style.
They were luxurious. They were also like cool.
And by cool I mean temperature like.
I still sweat. When you sweat it, oh, when you

(38:30):
sweat it really showed, Yeah. Very noticeable.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was still pitting that
bitch out. The celebrities were wearing
them too, like, like, you know, Bryan Adams was second time
that's come up on the podcast. But I I vividly remember that
dude wearing silk shirts and like boys to men and stuff like.
OK, what were the go TOS in yourschool School dance style 'cause

(38:54):
there was like a there was like a mountain Rushmore again, there
was AZ Caverici pant. Are you talking fashion?
Yeah, I'm talking school dance, right?
Z Caverici Pants. Is that?
Is that for anybody? No.
What are that? Z Caverici I.
Was too broke to participate in anything like this.
Z Caverici's were like cool kid pleated pants.
There was IOU sweatshirts and sweaters.

(39:16):
Yeah, heavy IOU. And then it was The silk shirt
was what rounded out the high school dance outfit.
Yeah, I remember for the for theguys, if you were cool, you
either you probably had Jordans on.
Even though you were dressed up,you still wore sneakers.
Yeah, unless your mom made you wear nice shoes.
But you, the cool kids all had Jordans on or maybe like Reebok
pumps. I definitely had dress shoes on

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because my mom wouldn't have letme leave the house to A to a
dance without dress shoes. Thank you, Mom, for instilling
a, for instilling a sense of decorum.
Absolutely. I do remember the IOUIOU saying.
I remember a lot of jackets being big in my school.
So you'd wear your jacket, you'dwear a jacket, but you keep it
on the whole time. I don't know if that was

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embarrassment of what you're wearing.
Charlotte Hornets starter jacket.
Yeah, basically. Or like a bomber jacket kind of
Montel Jordan style. Kids being cool.
Girls, I remember very big bows in their hair.
Where did you guys go to high school?
Chicago. So I'm from Indy, Mike, so I
went to like Avon OK Dance from Chicago.
Yeah, I was in a rural situation, so.
That wasn't making this way out there we were wearing we were

(40:20):
wearing nice jeans to the to thedances little extra.
Starch mud on our mud in our in our boot treads, you know.
Little extra starch on those on those nice jeans.
Well, wait, does that mean Don, are you going third?
Mike, I already forgot what you said.
You said you didn't want to go first.
OK, you're going 3rd. I'm going.
To do it, even though you just went with what your opener would

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have been, I'm going to one up your opener hands down, 1000
times over. Roderick, what's the date today?
The date is 10 or 11 one. You might, you might go as far
as to say it's the first of the month, wouldn't you it?
Is the 1st of the month indeed. And I think that if somebody's
going to tell you what the 1st of the month should feel like,
it would be Bone Thugs N Harmony.

(41:26):
OK. And Bone Thugs and Harmony,
first of the I think it's the either THA or DA, I'm not sure.
Bone Thugs first of the month, it's a no.
Brainer, I actually think it is the but I'd have to double check
here. Yeah, this came across my radar
for sure and I this is my favorite Bone Thug song.
It's the but one, it wasn't coolenough to listen to this in real
time. I don't think it wasn't until

(41:46):
later. And two, we have had, we did
have Crossroads. We did have.
Crossroads. You picked crossroads.
It is first. No Shane.
Shane picked Crossroads. It's first one St. that's first
of FAA THA month. Oh it is.
It is the OK. Make sure I spell that right in
the spreadsheet. I don't know that.
Both OH. Man, I know crossroads.

(42:08):
This might this might be the opener end of the mix tape.
Just so you know, this is how wedo it.
We'll fall somewhere later. Just throw it in between some.
I will. I will say they both have what
they both have that I love in a 90s song.
Nobody does it anymore. Or maybe they do and I just
don't notice. It has a audio clip before the
actual song starts. So Montel Jordan song.
It's like the audio of people talking at a party and then it's

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like the party starts. This is crickets chirping.
The guy wakes up. City noise and then the alarm.
An alarm clock goes off and thenit's wake up, Wake up, It's the
first of the month are the firstlyrics in the song.
So I do love the interest of both of these.
As a mixtape starter, it is a good choice.
Done. Yeah.
It's got to be I if the mixtape was coming out today, even

(42:52):
better. But the fact that we're
recording on the 1st of the month, it's, it's got to be.
That is a that is a nice little,I'll give you that.
That's a nice little wrinkle. West Coast.
Even though they're from Ohio, but it has that West Coast like
really high pitched keyboard that was like big into all of
that. Like like Doctor Dre's

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production shit. Yes, it's.
Not a very G funk sound to it. God damn it dude song.
This is their most G funk sounding song that I'm aware of
like. Although to be fair, I'm only
familiar with this album of theirs really.
Buggers Buggers Bone feels a bitAG funk as well.
It is pretty different. Have you sent your first of the
month Bone Thugs meme to Shane? Oh no, But I.

(43:35):
Guess it's I guess it's like 6:00 AM his time.
That's OK, but there's no there's never a bad time to send
it. That's fair.
Yeah, I'll send it to him right now.
I love. And again, it had gotten to the
point where it was just like prisoner drawings of Bone Thugs
N Harmony that we would send on the 1st of the month.
Are you, are you one or two years older than me, Don?

(43:57):
I think. Maybe 1 1/2?
I think that's that. But that year when you're when
you're like 1213, that's a big year.
That year is actually like five years in adult time.
So you being into Bone Thugs at this time makes sense because I
was probably a year or two removed from feeling comfortable
listening to something like thisor an album that had skulls on

(44:20):
the on the cover. You know what I mean?
My hip hop exposure was Crisscross and maybe Montel
Jordan clean version because apparently there's an explicit
version. My son is that age now, he's 13,
about to turn 14, and it is veryinteresting watching that now
from a distance, so. What's it feel like?
Does it Can you feel him going through an awkward phase or does

(44:41):
it not feel like that or like? Not yet.
He's like his old man. He's a bit of a late bloomer and
he's still very much into like Weird Al and ELO.
That's. Right, which is also funny for
kid his age to be like that old music.
But yeah, but ELO is timeless fantastic.
Truly one of my favorites, yeah.Mike. 1st pick. 1st pick tape
contribution, Yeah. OK, so it's funny, your guys

(45:03):
picks are influencing me a lot right now because I'm realizing
mine are mostly the same kind ofsong.
Not totally, but so I'm going topick the most lively one I have
on here because I like the direction we're going so far and
I'm going to go with Life's a Gas by the Ramones.

(45:38):
Is this the first Ramones we've had?
Yes, they almost made it to the last episode with Pet Sematary.
That's right. It was an it was an honorable
mention on the last episode. And then we we are, we were
like, how have the Ramones not been on the pod?
And here you are. There we go, picking the
Ramones. I'm happy to do it because
they're one of my favorite bandsever and this is from their
final album, which is partly whyI wanted to pick it because it's

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like the last hurrah, you know? And the song in particular, like
there's not a lot of lyrics to the song.
Most of the lyrics are Life's a Gas, but it sounds fantastic.
The vibe is really good. The vibe is great, like end of
the party but in an uplifting way kind of vibe to this song.
Joey's voice sounds fantastic. The band is tight and sounds

(46:21):
really good. Did either of you ever have
SiriusXM radio in any of your vehicles?
It's in my car that I bought andI get ads every time I start the
car that. But you've never activated it.
Bark at me so. Two things.
One, if you call them and are like, I want to try it, they'll
usually give you a month for free and then when they get
ready to turn it off, they'll call you back and be like, OK,

(46:43):
do you want to do it? You'd be like, you know what
it's more of a luxury than a necessity.
And they'll be like, well what if you had a whole year for
$100? It's like, no, it's just way too
expensive. And they'll be like, all right,
well what if it was like 6 months for $30?
It's like, you know what I just,I just can't afford it right
now. But 5 bucks a month, would you
pay 5 bucks a month? And it'd be like, yeah, sure,

(47:03):
I'll pay 5 bucks a month. And so you can like really cheat
the SiriusXM situation, but I think it's on Alt Nation.
I'm not sure what XM radio station is.
Marky Ramon has a show called Marky Ramon's Punk Rock
Blitzkrieg and listening to thatdude talk between tracks is

(47:25):
outstanding. I could listen to any of the
Ramones talk all day long, especially Deedee.
Deedee is my favorite to listen to.
But yeah, Mark, he's fantastic. Have you guys seen the end of
the Century Ramones documentary?It's my favorite rock.
Zach. Just the Ramones talking
there's, they're like living you.
You just buckle in 'cause you'renot go, you're not getting

(47:45):
anywhere quickly, right? And this is radio, so thanks for
tuning in to Maki Ramones, Punk rock blitzkrieg.
Up next, we got a track from a band that I played with called
No FX. And it's it's no faster than
that the whole time. And it's like, yeah.
For one of the guys that has thefastest hi hat around, that's.
Yeah, yeah. Who played?
Who played one of the bands thatinvented like fast to fast that

(48:07):
tried to play as fast, I mean. Come on, how old is Marky?
At this point? He's got to be, Oh yeah, he's
got to be feeling it a bit, you know, but.
His dedication to that black wigis fantastic.
I was going to ask Mike musically.
So I my Ramones, my sort of knowledge of Ramones ends it
probably like Rocket to Russia or maybe Road to Ruin like

(48:28):
earlier stuff. Is this hearing this song feels
very mid 90s power pop to me. Is this album a little more
power pop, a little less fast Ramones?
Or is that just the song? This song kind of stands out on
the album. You know, this album's not
great. It's the last.
It is, it has great moments on it, but it's kind of all over

(48:49):
the place. It's their last one.
Dee came back to write some songs for this record after
having not been in the band since 89.
And so it's just kind of a real like clearing House of the last
ideas, you know? Gotcha.
But this song definitely fits more in line with like, end of
the century Pleasant Dreams, Ramones albums.

(49:10):
This song in particular, Yeah, than some of the other.
It's not because, you know, too tough to die.
This song is giving me like, replacements or totally, you
know, more like power π Elvis Costello kind.
Of and this is 95. So I mean, they're they're
hearing like, you know, some poppunk stuff that's starting to
emerge by this time, you know, and like, I don't know how that
played out for the Ramones, but you can definitely hear

(49:32):
production wise especially, it'svery slick, sounds great, kind
of muscular. Yeah, it's good.
I love it. 4.7 million monthly listeners, not a single city in
the United States. Oh, Barcelona?
Is that one of them? No Rio Barcelona.
Didn't make it. Mexico City is #1 which is
great. OK, sure.
Yeah, yeah. You know that number one city
for Mike Adams? Chicago.

(49:56):
Chicago. OK.
Wow. I'm city.
I didn't know that. OK, no big deal.
I guess I gotta get back there. Yeah.
Roderick, back over to you, buddy.
All right, so I was obviously wetalked about it earlier.
A lot of stuff came out in 94 that got big in 95 S 2 of my
most listened to albums of my childhood and my pre, you know,
my preteen years. Both had huge hits in 95, but

(50:17):
actually came out in 94, which were Dookie by Green Day and
smashed by the Offspring. So this is my I'm getting into
punk rock through the safety netof radio friendly punk rock,
Although then you get Dookie andthat's not actually radio
friendly at all. But I was massively in that
world. I've also talked about how all
my friends that I was starting to make that were into punk
rock, like Brian and Patrick andguys I'd later be in bands with

(50:38):
were actually into ska. And so that all kind of lived in
the same world for me then. And I mean one of the best of
all time came out in 95 and I'm going to go Spider Webs by no
doubt. I.

(51:08):
Went with spider webs over just a girl because it's it's the
opening track on the album and the whole album is great front
to back. And so I just kind of went with
started the beginning. I love spider webs great music
video great like kind of funky weird guitar part as no doubt
likes to do you know they went and got themselves a metal
guitarist to play in a sky band and.
Did we talk about how MTV or no I think it's VH1 Storytellers is

(51:34):
all just been released on Paramount Plus like the entire
series of 14. Seasons, I don't know if we did
talk about it. The first episode I jumped into
was the No Doubt episode and just watched the No Doubt
storytellers. I didn't realize how
insufferable Gwen Stefani was even back then.
Like watching her like as the front person of this band.

(51:54):
Like talented as shit right? And like they had a song they
played trapped in a box with Eric, which was badass.
It's awesome. But she's fucking unbearable and
I didn't realize how unbearable she was back then.
I thought like she was a little cooler back then and now she
sucks more than she's gotten older.
But no, she maybe I'm older and I just don't have the patience
for Gwen Stefani in 1996. What made her insufferable back

(52:18):
then? Like when you get her
insufferable. Insufferable.
Do I keep saying it wrong? That sounds right.
I said unsufferable, but it's insufferable.
Everything. Is that a good answer?
OK, cop out. But accurate, sure.
I mean like, you know, just kindof like her.
It it it felt even in watching storytellers, which I think the
episode came out in 1996, it felt like the Gwen Stefani show

(52:39):
where it's like, don't forget the fucking band that is making
you popular. And you could kind of feel that
vibe back then. So maybe that's.
Story is oldest. Yeah, maybe that's what felt the
worst about watching it again. That's what I do to my band.
I would imagine, yeah. As you should.
I mean you fingers crossed you show up for him.
That's right. That's right.

(52:59):
If they're just. Yeah.
It's wild. It's wild we hadn't had Ramones.
Are you not going to acknowledgethat great dig of Mike not
showing up last time? That's good.
Go ahead. I, I just want to talk about my
song Kicks Don I I just, it's crazy that Ramones haven't been
on. It's crazy.
Nothing from this album's been on either though, given our

(53:21):
background. Like the only No Doubt song
we've had on the pod is a Christmas song, which is a great
one, but it's a cover one and two, it's a Christmas song.
So this album was just massivelyinfluential in my my life.
Like it was one of the first albums I probably bought with my
own money. I could listen to it front to
back, no skips. It was everywhere.
It was all over MTV. It was on, you know, they had

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AVH 1 storytellers. They had that weird return to
your high school show that MTV had where they played a show at
their high school. They they probably had a, they
didn't have a behind him. They were probably on cribs or
something. Like they just were everywhere
and Gwen was everywhere. And you know, admittedly, I
don't think I was listening to alot of women in Rock'n'roll
then. I think it's more because there
wasn't a lot at the time, but she kind of kicked that that

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door down a bit in the like pop punk ska realm and you know,
probably had a massive crush on her at the time too.
I don't remember specifically, but I'm sure I did so but the
band was so cool too. I was also just starting to get
into playing music and so like Ireally looked up to Tony's bass
playing because I hadn't heard anything like that before.
And he is a great bass player. I think he's very influenced by

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reggae. So then you actually go and
listen to like dub and reggae and stuff.
You're like, oh, this is even better, but he's doing that
stuff but faster. And I'm like, kind of like
wishing I could play that way. And so, yeah, it was just, it
was the big album in my life. And it was huge in 95.
And it sold a million. It sold a bajillion records.
I don't know how I didn't actually look up how many
records this sold. I've never been, I've never been

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a giant like lyrics guy. I love when a good lyric pops
out at me, but for the most partI don't really pay attention to
lyrics. I'm listening to music.
I'm just feeling it. And spider webs is a good
example for me of like a song where it's like, oh, I can like
garble along to this melody, butI didn't know any of the words
to that song for a really long time, even though I liked it.
It's like 1. Of those I wonder.
Melody plays in my head, but it's like, I don't know these

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lyrics. Do you think young people, if
they listen to this, understand what it's about?
Does it make sense? Does the idea of screening calls
make sense to? Them.
Great question. Yeah, great question.
You know, like you've got a landline and you've you like,
but this was before caller ID. So by screening calls, she means
like somebody's stalking her andknowing her.
Maybe it's an ex-boyfriend. I don't think we ever know, but
it's like screening calls means I can't answer the phone because

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I don't want to talk to you. So I can't even yeah, I can't
even answer the phone. They have to leave a voicemail
or not even voicemail. They'd have to leave a message
on the answering machine for me to call them back if I want to
talk to this person. That's wild concept like to
think about. Now there's a whole song about
it. What do you got done?
OK, so I found a lot of 1995 music later as a result of Steve

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Riola. So giving him credit.
Remember we had him on and said that he was a pretty influential
music. Like he he came into my life
when I was really in a in a place to discover a lot of new
music and I probably started to listen to more metal then.
So the song is going to be Slaughter the Soul and the band
is going to be at the gates. They were ahead of their time

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because the the album's called Slaughter of the Soul as well.
They were ahead of their time. This album came out in 1995 and
had this album came out in 2010,they probably would have been
fucking enormous, but they were kind of doing it before anybody
else. It's different.
Sweden, right? The singer recently passed away

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I think last month or in September, like the original
singer of the band, which is really sad.
He was only 52 years old. He passed away from cancer.
But listening to the opening, ifI ever had like a skateboard or
snowboard part in a video, this would be the song that would be
the to my skateboard or snowboard part.
But that. What's it like?
I don't know this band. What it What's it like?

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It's just pretty brutal, right down the lane.
Metal, like pretty heavy, like distorted vocals the whole time,
really fast. This song's very thrashy.
I was going to say, this song's fast.
Pretty fast, pretty thrashy. That metal 1st 10 seconds of
this song that go like when he like it starts with like this
pretty fast chuggy riff and thenthe singer screams go and then

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the song just ghost bananas fromthere.
It makes you want to punch your fucking wall.
It's fantastic. It's really, really good.
They're labeled as death metal on like streaming beat, but that
which makes sense. I mean, they're Scandinavian.
I don't know. It calls them death metal
pioneers. Like I said, this album came out
like 95 and it was the whole album.
If you, I mean if you want to sit down and listen to an entire

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metal album, this would be a great one to do it to.
Man are they good? Holy shit they are.
Like I said, album came out in 95.
If it had come out, I wonder howmany artists say that At the
Gates is an influence for them in the metal that they created
later. Because this album is so, in my
opinion, so ahead of its time. It's so interesting.

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There's a lot of. I think there's a, I'm thinking
of one other band actually, but maybe there is more.
But I, there's a lot of heavy music that comes out of like
Europe or Scandinavia that like makes a bit of a splash in the
US but doesn't really go anywhere.
And then later all these bands come out that that was their
influence to get into it. And those bands get hit like
Refused Pops in my mind, right? Like they they broke up after

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just playing basements and stuffand then everything later
sounded like them and then they got huge after they broke up.
I wonder if this is one. Well, this band didn't break up
I. Guess they got a well they had a
new singer that mean they're still touring now there is a new
singer but the original singer did did pass away.
But man that first song is is just so good.
Give it a whirl. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to hear

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it. Awesome.
Really, really good metal and there needed to be some metal on
the mixtape. Well, you're our you're our
resident metal which. Is crazy because I don't listen
to a terribly large amount of metal, but.
You know, more than more than me.
That's true. I listen to a bit, you know,
but. Metal is one of those genres for
me that it's like there have been albums, you know, we were

(59:36):
talking about G funk earlier, that Warren G album.
G funk era is like a huge recordfor me, but I'm not like a hip
hop fan and similar for me with metal where they're like there
are a handful of metal albums that are like some of my
favorite stuff but I just don't.I rely on my metal head friends
to like filter those things to. Me you rely on Zach to tell you
what what you might like or whatyou might.
He's he's the biggest metal headI know.

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And I mean, he's a every, he's an everything head really.
The dude just totally loves all music.
He's like, man, does he know metal?
I hope Zach will be stoked that Slaughter the Soul by At the
Gates is on the mixed tape. Yeah, Speaking of thrash, I
today's the 1st of the month, but last night was the end of
the month. It was October 31st and I was at
a Halloween cover band show where Zach played in a Metallica

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cover band. Oh yeah, so.
That was the. Last thing I saw before I felt.
Did they have a fun was? It was it a different one?
Yeah. Was it?
Yeah. What was their name?
They were called Death style. Death style so wasn't because he
did a back when I still lived inBloomington.
They did for a couple years in arow.
They did just kill them all. They only played stuff off Kill
them all. I think they did Pasture of
Muppets and. Then they did pasture of Muppets

(01:00:41):
one year. Yeah, we could Don, Don.
Yeah, we'd appreciate that. So was this just like a certain
era of Metallica? Or was this just whatever they?
What did they play last night? It was mostly early stuff, you
know, from the first few albums,but it wasn't like, themed as
much. I specifically remember them
playing For Whom the Bell Tolls.Yeah, what else?
I it was all stuff I knew but I can't remember.

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One thing I do miss about Bloomington and there's there's
there's definitely things, but one of them is man, Halloween
was always awesome in Bloomington because there was
always these incredible cover band shows.
All the great musicians and all the great bands in Bloomington
would always do cover. Like I did Foo Fighters once
with Zach. I did Tom Petty with Tim,
husband and wife and Will. But yeah, Zach, I did No Doubt.

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I did a No Doubt band with Zach one year.
And then like I remember, like there were great Fleetwood Mac
bands. My friends did a Huey Lewis band
One time that was fantastic. Hell yeah.
Did you ever do any? I've never done it.
Halloween cover once. Never done it.
What the hell? I know I've not ever, but I've
just never been like specifically drawn to that.
If my friends invited me for a good time to do 1, I would do

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it, but. What would you want to do?
I mean, I would, I'm jealous of those guys.
Although it was almost 20 years ago they did that Huey Lewis
band, so I would maybe revive that.
No, I mean, that would be prettygreat.
I would do ELO as well. I talked about that, Bryant and
I talked about that. I also floated to Bryant that we
should do Hootie and the Blowfish, but I think I'm the
only person that wanted to do that.

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Speaking of a album that came out in 94 but got massive in 95,
and I wanted to talk about Hoodyand the Blowfish as one of the
biggest selling albums of all time.
Oh, that's no joke. When you asked me about 95, it
was like, what was I actually, what was I personally actually
listening to in 95? And it's like, oh, I was
listening to Crack Your Review over and over and over.
As was the whole country. As was the whole country.
One of the biggest selling albums of all time.
Like it's crazy. We, and honestly, we've covered

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Hannah Jane before the opening track.
Oh, really? Yeah.
It's so good. What kind of Rodwick?
We had the conversation about how are there currently kids
playing in bands? I remember going to Halloween
cover shows. Is that happening still?
Is that happening now? I mean, Mike, you know that we
know Zach's playing in one, but like, are there kids that have
bands that are playing Blink 182cover band shows?

(01:02:49):
I hope. Bloomington's got some young
bands that are doing stuff. I know there were like bands
covering like Wednesday, like modern stuff, you know, like.
I'll take. It and I think there were like
there were like 9 bands last night at that show and I only
knew people in three of them so.There's the whole gaze movement
right now, which is like put a word in front of the word gaze
and grunge gaze post. Like, you know, all this stuff

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that's just got a bunch of Reverbie echo we guitars on it,
which I'm that sounds disparaging.
I'm not. I'm down for that.
I can't. I would never have put money on
the influence of shoe gaze on Gen.
Z, but here we are. So.
Yeah. All right.
Whose turn is it, Rodrick? I think I'm.
Starting. OK, I'm gonna stick with heavy
guitars and Roderick, if you want to take a guess, this is

(01:03:36):
the one. Well, so I I was halfway through
searching this. I remember Starflyer 59 being
your favorite band. Yeah.
Is that correct? That is correct.
OK, Hell yeah. This is my introduction to the
band. They're a friend of mine in high
school made me just a dubbed cassette of this record.

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Their album Gold, which is technically self-titled but it's
called Gold by everyone because they have 3 or 4 self-titled
records and it This record blew me away so I picked the song
Messed Up Over You. Which is just like a nice

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lengthy. It's very gazy, but then by the
end the guitars are heavy and crushing and totally
overwhelming. I specifically remember.

(01:05:03):
So I brought that tape home thatmy friend gave me.
I put it on in my little rural bedroom and I sat at the foot of
my bed and in front of my littleboom box and listen to the
entire album and kind of couldn't believe this would have
been in 97. But the records for 95.
I couldn't believe that music could sound this way.
Like to be very emo about it. It was like, oh, I didn't know

(01:05:24):
anyone made music that sounds how I feel.
And that's very much what this record did for me.
And I think this song is pretty indicative of that vibe from
this record. Yeah, How would you describe
them? Like, well, it's tough because
now they've been at it since 94 was their first record and
they've been at it ever since and haven't stopped.

(01:05:46):
And so it's really evolved and changed.
You know, they went through a period of sounding more like The
Smiths and now it's just kind oflike muscular pop rock.
But the early records are like shoegazzy but also kind of slow
core. There's a elements of metal in
there, but they're kind of theirown thing.
I don't know, it's very dreamy, but simple elements that add up

(01:06:09):
to pretty complex feelings. You know, it's cool.
I I love them. Yeah, this song is a great
example of that. Like early shoot days thing
where it's like it's like a dream pop thing for, you know, 2
1/2 minutes and then all of a sudden it's just like a wall of
heavy guitars totally hits you in the face.
Didn't you release? Didn't you re do a reissue of

(01:06:30):
one of their records? Yeah.
So when we had the. Was it silver?
Yeah, we did Silver, which was the first album, the album
before this one. We did the first vinyl edition
of that record. Well, I'm glad I somehow silver
remember your favorite band. You nailed it.
I mean, yeah, I it's. You're vocal about it, though.
I really am. You're a big advocate for this
band. I am because, you know, they've
got their little cult following,but they're kind of the band

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that set me free in a lot of ways, you know, however you can
say that. But they've been so important to
me. And I feel like they are, you
know, they come from that Christian music world, which
already that's a giant, like yougot half the world being like,
no thanks or more, you know, just from hearing that.
And so for them to be such like a creative and artistically

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valuable chunk of that world is a hard sell sometimes.
But they're. Yeah, they really are one of my
favorites. And even in that sort of like
shoe gaze environment and and, you know, in 95, they were doing
this stuff. So it's like they're hearing a
few records they can get their hands on from the UK, you know,
at that time. But it's not like that stuff's

(01:07:39):
everywhere. And you can't just know about
it, you know, with ease. So they're kind of doing the an
early version of and I say version because it's not like
they don't sound like ride, you know, they don't sound like slow
dive. It's definitely, it's the
Southern California version of that stuff and I really love it.
I mean, it was, I mean, shoegazehad just started.

(01:07:59):
So they you're right. Like souvlaki came out like 93.
I don't know when Loveless came out.
We should know that. But like hums hums.
Was it stars? Was that the name of the album
or was it self-titled? That came out in 95 too?
So like they were part of that first wave of like actual what
we now call shoegaze you. Know, yeah, this record
definitely makes like, you know,lists of like top 100 shoegaze

(01:08:23):
records. This one will wind up on there,
but I think it took a while for it to be like sort of codified
as shoegaze. And, you know, I don't know what
the, like, press materials for this particular album said or
how it was described, you know, by the label or whatever.
But the album that came after this in 97, their record
Americana was was sold as like, and it sounds very similar like

(01:08:48):
in terms of like heaviness and the sort of like, you know, wall
of distortion kind of thing. But it was very much sold as
like, it's their riff heavy Black Sabbath style album.
It's like you're still now you'dlisten to me.
It's a shoe guys record, you know.
Yeah, yeah. Sweet, I'm glad shoe guys made
it on here. I debated putting hum on here.
So actually, I'm not going to lie, part of me was like, I bet

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Mike picks the star Flyer 59 so.Yeah, I mean, if you give me an
opportunity to pick a song for anything, Yeah, I'm going to
look at Star Flyer first. All right, I think I'm going to
go. Like I said, I've got like some
different genres here, so I do have a hip hop song.
I think I'm going to go hip hop.I'm still actively debating
which song I want to pick. You know, I, we haven't had

(01:09:29):
Tupac on the podcast yet, ever. So it feels like just for
importance of the artist and hisinfluence, I'm going to pick a
Tupac song. I'm going to go.
Dear Mama, you. Always was committed a poor
single month on welfare. Tell me how you did.
There's no way I can pay you back.
But the plan is to show you thatI understand.

(01:09:49):
You all appreciate it. Don't want to know?
We love you. Oh, great song too.

(01:10:09):
You know, Tupac's a legend. Tupac is Tupac.
Like this song is very much autobiographical about like the
appreciation he has for his mother and like raising him the
right way in a very difficult situation.
And it references her, her drug use, which has been made has
been public knowledge for a longtime.
You know, I don't know how much you guys know about Tupac's
background, but so interesting. Like his parents were Black
Panthers. His aunt is probably the most

(01:10:30):
famous Black Panther ever, AsadaShakur, who just passed away
actually like a month or two ago.
Asada is a great book if anybodywants to read a super leftist
memoir or autobiography. I can't remember if it's an
autobiography or biography now, but great read Asada.
But that that's Tupac's aunt. So he grew up in this really
interesting like world, but thenhe went to like the Baltimore

(01:10:51):
School of Arts for three years in high school and was like an
actor and Shakespearean play. It like the Tupac's background
is just so interesting. He was like very into poetry and
stuff and then obviously got into hip hop.
And yeah, he's just very like hewas making very transparent
autobiographical music at a timewhere I think it was a lot of

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like lying about your life. Like not to accuse anybody, but
it felt like very like status based hip hop songs were very
much like how tough you are or how rich you are or what you've
bought or how many women you canget.
And Tupac's had a lot little of that too.
But this is just like, I love mymom.
I love my mom. She did her best.
I turned out OK. You know, like love your mom

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kind of. It is very sweet but like.
Couple of crazy. Things gangster rap style. 273rd
artist in the world still on Spotify.
Absolutely insane. Also this might be dating
myself. There is one track outside of
the intro that is under 4 minutes on me Against the World.
It is an hour and 5 minutes long.

(01:11:55):
It is 15 tracks long. It's a fucking album, dude.
Like. Yeah, when was the last time
there was an hour and 5 minute long like album of bangers?
It's just, I don't know, it's just a testament to like how
much good shit he had to say. Yeah, well, yeah, he was just so
prolific. Like, again, he was a poet and

(01:12:15):
so like when, when lyrics are like the majority of what you do
as a rapper, like I don't know if he was producing his own
beats and stuff, but probably not.
Like you usually don't. So if he's coming to the table
with 50 poems or whatever, like you can, you know, like I, I
imagine you had a ton of shit that never got made or never got
released. He was very prolific, so which

(01:12:37):
is why they keep putting like they're still putting out Tupac
songs. I feel like every once in a
while you get a new Tupac song years and years and years after
his death. So don't know if you want to
address. Or is it that it's not the
hologram that writes the new music?
Right. It's not the hologram, although
you know, he it much like he's the he's the rap Elvis in that

(01:12:57):
huge conspiracy about him still being alive, of course, on an
island somewhere in the whole Machiavelli calling himself
Machiavelli and like the faking of his death and all that stuff.
So there's all that, Laura, you don't really hear anybody talk
about that anymore. But there was four years after
Tupac's death. That was a big thing.
Like, no, Tupac's still alive. See, he's putting on music
still. Yeah, pretty calm.

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Also just for clarity, his name was Tupac Tupac, but he released
everything under the number 2PAC.
So if you're spelling that down,it's 2 the number.
Not to you. Not to you.
Yeah, my turn. Yeah.
So there we go, your turn. I have so many good songs that I
want to pick what's the what's the general vibes of this so

(01:13:39):
far? We got Tupac.
All over the place, it is all over.
Less rock than Well, no, that's not true.
It's about half rock. In 1992, Faith No More released
their first big album. It was called the 1989.
It was called The Real Thing. That was the one that had epic
on it and we watched the fish flop around.

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But the band never really went anywhere.
They kept releasing really good music for a long time.
Mike Patton is fucking awesome. And then eventually they
released the album. Fuck it.
Either way, the song is the gentle art of making enemies.

(01:14:23):
Look at you while you're meetingjust one more skill.
You're put up one hell of a fight.
You're put up one hell of a fight.

(01:14:45):
The album is king for a day, fool for a lifetime.
I wouldn't say that in 1995, I was listening to a ton of Faith
No More. Like I knew of Epic, whatever.
And then like the Mike Patton ethos kind of started to swirl
around a bit for me, right? So like, and again, he's got 50
projects, right? And everyone is cooler than the
last. Speaking of which, his newest

(01:15:07):
project, any of you familiar? So no, Mike Patton is in Faith
No More. He's in Mr. Bungle, which is
just a fever dream. He's in Phantomas, he's in a
million things. His newest project is called a
VTT Back Slash PTTN, which is Mike Patton and The Avett

(01:15:30):
Brothers, which I can't even figure out how those paths
crossed. New at the album comes out, I
think this month. 12 days, Yeah.So there's two singles out now
and it feels weird. It feels like you got your
clothes on backwards for sure. But again, like, this is a great

(01:15:50):
this song. The General Art of Making
Enemies is a perfect example of how talented of a vocalist Mike
Patton is. Like, he is unbelievably
talented in terms of what he cando vocally, of just the
beautiful clean vocals, crazy distorted vocals.
He's just really good. This was a great fucking album.

(01:16:11):
I listened to it later in life. I was lucky enough that it came
out in 1995. This song, The General Art of
Making Enemies, is just a reallycool Hard Rock song.
He's never been shy about speaking his mind.
I saw this weird serendipity moments that happened.
I was watching YouTube shorts last night in bed, Don because
we both put our phone by our face to fall asleep and there

(01:16:32):
was a weird. There was a clip from an
interview with Mike Patton in like 2006 where the interview
gets derailed because it's at a festival.
Dude, I saw this last night. Did you see it last night when
he was making fun of Wolfmother?Yes.
He just, the interview gets derailed because Wolfmother's
playing in the background. He gets so distracted about how
much he hates Wolfmother, and he's just like Wolfmother.
Fuck you. Yeah, that's like end of the

(01:16:53):
camera. You saw that last night, too.
While I was in bed falling asleep.
That's crazy. You know, that's crazy.
Yeah. I also I it's funny that I even
like clocked it because I Mike Patton is one of those guys for
me that it feels like a wall that I haven't climbed yet to
get into that world, Even thoughI know I have friends who like
Don, like you're saying, like love all of it and think he's a

(01:17:13):
genius and it's like I want to know about it, but I just
haven't scaled the wall you. Know it's not a wall, dude.
It's, it's as big of a wall as it could be, right?
There's Handsome Point modeling school, there's Tomahawk, which
was like kind of a metal band. There's a Phantomus album where
he doesn't say words, he just makes sounds with his voice the
entire time like it is he he is just.

(01:17:35):
He's kind of like a Frank Zappa character, only in the world of,
like, yeah, metal. And I don't know, like just very
challenging at times. Yeah, I mean it just, it's just
nuts. It's just so crazy.
He's just, I think. Faith No More is the most
approachable. Faith No More, I would agree
with that. And like, if you want to get a
little off the Faith No More trail, you can go down Mr.

(01:17:57):
Bungle at least maybe one or twoalbums, maybe not, I don't know.
I mean, I'm, I'm wide open to, to being challenged.
So if you if you want to be. That's the thing, I feel like if
I I feel like if I scratched at the surface of his deal, I would
get sucked in pretty quickly. You know, like.
Like I have with Nick Cave or something, you know, like where
it's like, oh, there's a whole world here that I can like step

(01:18:21):
into or not, but if I step in, I'm going to be in that world
for. A while and it's a hard hole to
dig out of too. Like I, I don't.
Know if. Mike Patton has projects with
Les Claypool, but I would love to see those two weirdos in a
room together. OK, it feels like it should be a
thing. I don't know if they do and I
I'm, I'm upset that I don't knowthat for sure, but man, yeah,

(01:18:45):
that'd be a trip. All right, Mike, I think it's
your pick. OK, I'm going to hit the brakes.
One of my favorite bands ever put their second album out in
1995, and that is Low. You guys know Low?
Oh yeah. And I picked the song.
Shame. Which is just like a coding

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speed, slow core, beautiful harmony, lots of it's glacial,
like just lots of space. It's really pastoral.
I love it. And that band has had some major
staying power for me. I've kept up with everything
they've done. I'm a giant fan.
And this is just like an early, this is a very early example of

(01:19:55):
like the thing they did masterfully.
And I think it's beautiful. I love it.
I don't think I realized they were, that they go that far
back. My exposure to them would have
been like early to mid 2000s. Yeah.
And I think it was my introduction was, yeah, probably
2003 or something like that. But then I dug into their first
album was 94 and then this is from Long Division, the second

(01:20:18):
album. But but they really rapidly,
they just sort of developed thisthing that's just theirs.
And then, you know, it changed alot over the course of their
career, but it always had the same kind of root to it of just
kind of like pretty simple, beautiful songwriting with dense
harmony and a real contemplativevibe to it.

(01:20:41):
And lots of unique feel like they're also Midwestern, you
know, So I I love that they are artistically representing the
Midwest in a way that feels poignant to me.
I have. No relationship at all, Mike.
Are they just a duet? Is it just the two of?
Them it was often a trio, but the main songwriters were the
husband and wife team, Alan and Mimi.
And Mimi passed away a few yearsago.

(01:21:03):
She had cancer. And he has continued to do stuff
on his own that has is I saw himin Bloomington recently and it
was like one of the most cathartic.
And because they were just like,like a tight one of those bands
that feels like a club, you know, like, like, oh, this is a
world that they have created forthemselves.
And it is awesome. And she seems so cool.

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And they just had like a yeah, areal beautiful, like, yeah, I
don't know. Their whole their whole arc is
great, but so many awesome songsthroughout the whole catalog.
They've been mentioned on the podcast a couple times because
I, I'm pretty sure Cody talked about them when we were talking
about emo at 1.9 because they get bucketed with emo sometimes.
They're not. I mean, to your point, Mike, I

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wouldn't label them an emo band.It's something different, but
they kind of got into that worlda little bit.
I imagine they were playing withsome of those bands at certain
times. But also I think it might have
come up in the one of the Christmas episodes because they
have a great Christmas album. It's so good.
Yeah, it's so good. Are they from Duluth, MN?
So. They're from Duluth, Yeah.

(01:22:08):
Lowe has a weird. They're like, their appeal is
interesting to me because their music is like, you know, it's
typically guitar, bass, drums. That's generally that's the
that's what they're doing. They they'll introduce other
elements here and there, but forthe most part, the the simple,
the simplicity of it is the thing.

(01:22:28):
But they do, they dip into like,they draw like intense fandom
from all. Different.
Musical realms, and I think it'sreally a fascinating thing.
I don't know how they do it. Yeah.
You know, it's great, great moodmusic for very specific moods,
Yeah. Really.
Yeah. All right, my last pick.
Last pick is going to be named by Goo Goo Dolls.

(01:22:50):
I never knew. Their names don't belong to no
one. That's the same.

(01:23:23):
I was listening to a lot of likewhat I guess you would call pop
rock, but this is just straight up pop like adult contemporary
radio, you know. So there was like your I don't
want to name any others and justin case one of you have it,
although I doubt you do. But there was a lot of this
stuff that was in my world at the time that was like the rock
bands in the sense that, you know, they play guitars and a

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lot of times they used to be like more rock type bands.
Whereas Goo Goo Dolls, like thisis kind of their introduction to
this world of like pop rock. I believe it was at least.
And I think it's confirmed because this the album that this
is on and the single for this was relate released on Metal
Blade Records because they were like a metal punk band before
this. Which is wild that this song

(01:24:05):
came out on Metal Blade because it's just the most, you know,
kind of heart warming, lovely love song, acousticy love song,
right? And.
Was there was was there was somebody else?
Was Nickelback on metal blade orwas Nickelback on Roadrunner?
And Roadrunner was also leaning a bit metal at the time.
There was something else where like another pop band was like

(01:24:26):
trying to get the thing. Holy shit, the Goo Goo Dolls are
112 in the world on Spotify. What the fuck?
Yeah, dude, they're, they're not.
They're yeah. And 38 million monthly
listeners. What?
Are they all just listening to Iris?
Well, it has. It has almost 3 billion plays,
so I do think they're they're listening to.

(01:24:49):
You know, Goo Goo Dolls is one of these bands that I've had to
retroactively sort of like relent and be like, OK, yeah,
some of these songs are good because at the time, like, in
the 90s, I was like, I do not like this band, but I have so
many friends that I respect who who love them.
And I've had to sort of. And, you know, the hits were on
the radio. I never owned the albums or
anything, but I knew all the bigones from just listening to the

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radio and being around. But I've had to sort of like
relent that like, OK, some of this stuff actually is good even
though it didn't ever like get to me.
Well, even for Goo Goo Dolls like this song is, I like this
song a lot. But when I've gone back and I
wasn't listening to them at the time outside of what was on the
radio. So I would have known this song
for sure. But this is my a boy.
A boy Named Goo is my favorite Goo Dolls record because I do

(01:25:32):
have a soft place for this kind of like I always call it pop
rock. I don't know what else to call
it, but it this album sounds like a Gin Blossoms record.
And I love that stuff. I love that kind of like, yeah,
you got some distorted guitars, but it's nobody would call it
heavy, right? Like your mom would be OK
listening to it. It might be a little heavy for
your mom, but like, you know, it's it's that world.
It's the better than Ezra's and the that kind of stuff.

(01:25:54):
Yeah. Jim Blossoms and whatnot.
So yeah, this album fits in thatworld for me.
Name is actually a little it. It doesn't not fit in the
record. It does, but the rest of the
record is much more of that kindof like stuff.
And this name is their ballad onthis right?
It's their, like, down the middle love song, soft,
acoustic, lovely. It's straightforward lyrics, and

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it's a jam. It's a great song.
I imagine it was a million soundtracks because they became
kind of a soundtrack band. I don't know that for sure.
I didn't actually look up if it was, but yeah.
But before this album, they werelike a punk band, you know,
like, kind of a metal band, which is wild.
Yeah. My guest on to your earlier
question would have been Roadrunner, because Roadrunners,
it is kind of a metal label. Like I remember it was like Coal

(01:26:40):
Chamber kind of got big on Road Runner and Roadrunner and stuff,
but they've always been known for putting out other stuff.
I mean turnstiles on Roadrunner like.
There was also a turnstile coverband at that show last night.
Was there? Hell yeah.
Bryant Fox was in that one. I mean, it would be fun to play.
Of course Bryant was in it. Yeah, tell Bryant, I said.

(01:27:00):
We should have Bryant on the pot.
You definitely should. Yeah, he's just so fun.
Yeah. He's got great wide taste, yeah.
I'm not surprised Goo Goo Dolls made it, but I'm kind of
surprised Goo Dolls made it. You know why?
It's because we haven't talked much about them.
And I was surprised they hadn't been on here.
There's some other songs that fit this genre that I maybe I
shouldn't have mentioned the bands just now because they had

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95 albums and maybe you'll pick it, but in my if it was just my
favorites, all this is filtered through stuff I like.
I'm not going to pick a song I don't like, but if I was picking
my favorites from 95, this wouldn't have made it.
But this is a the world of 1995.This was everywhere.
This was like, I think this peaked really high on this peak

(01:27:40):
number one in a lot of countries.
It peaked on the rock and the alternative US charts at #1 it
peaked at #5 on just the the Billboard period.
So I mean, this song was massive.
I mean, like I said, I did. I explicitly did not like this
band in the 1990s. But as soon as you said name,
that guitar riff and that hook started playing in my head.
It's like I know this song you. Know all right, Don, All right,

(01:28:01):
last pick. I want to put all of my songs as
my last. Pick.
You can't do that. All right, looking at the list,
looking back here, we're going to go Ruby Soho by Rancid.

(01:28:39):
Yep. And I think that Rancid was
where we all started to get a little edgier punk rock.
Would we agree? Like we had Green Day, but it
was like, oh, there's Rancid. I was given an Operation Ivy CD
in high school. So.
Yeah. Same.
Same. Same universe, right?
Same. Universe.
Absolutely. Yeah.
That just got to me, and I listened to the hell out of that
thing before I made it to Rancid.

(01:28:59):
Yeah. OK, so you found Rancid through
app ID? That makes sense.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, for sure.
But I feel like Rancid was like when we started to get ballsy
from Green Day and Offspring. And.
No doubt. We we went rancid and they were
just edgier. They had fucking, what's his
name? They had fucking face tattoos.

(01:29:19):
And it was like, oh shit. Like Lars, this is a fucking
yeah, Lars has face tattoos. My mom is not going to want me
to listen to this. Yeah, so.
But Ruby Soho is the track I picked.
I mean, you could have picked anything off that fucking album
that came out in 95. Yeah, and it all would have been
a great track to pick, but Ruby Soho is just the most fun.
It's so infamic, like you reallywant to pump your fist to that

(01:29:41):
one, Yeah. All right, all right, Don, if.
Yeah. If you can only pick one, you
pick and let's go. Or you pick an outcome.
The wolves. How come the wolves?
I mean, there's not a wrong choice and they both have this
outcome. The wolves has 19 tracks and
Let's Go has 23. So you get you get a lot of bang
for your buck. It's I I would imagine it's
whatever they could fit on ACD, right?
It's like Max that shit out. What a time.

(01:30:03):
Great time. What a time.
I mean, this is a great record. Maxwell.
Murder box stepping gone. Yeah.
Olympia, WA Yeah, I I think you're right, Don.
I think this probably was the first band I listened to that
really felt like I was listeningto something where and probably
before I even saw what they looked like.
But it's like this is like cut off denim vest with a million

(01:30:23):
patches stock market stock Martins that are 10 years old
Mohawks like the actual. Mohawks.
Yeah, it was the realist, not real punk rock, right?
It was like, I guess it was like, mainstream is yeah, the
realist, not real punk rock is the best way to put it.
It's always been so interesting to me that they dress like

(01:30:44):
they're in like the Damned or something like that or some like
Oy band. And this is adjacent to that for
sure. But you're right, this is Ruby
Soho was a radio hit, like totally melodic, catchy, but
nobody, I don't think anybody inthe punk world ever gave them
stick. I think they came out of that
like gutter punk, Oy world. And so when they started making

(01:31:05):
this, everybody was like, no, they've got cred.
But let's be honest, this is like pop punk.
I mean, we'll call it melodic, but it's pop punk.
It's popular pop songs with a huge edge to them.
Yeah, but. Yeah, that's my choice.
Has rancid been on before? Is this our first rancid no too.
First rancid song. First rancid song.
First rancid song. Hell yeah, A lot of firsts on

(01:31:27):
this. I like it.
Yeah, I double checked Rancid has not been on before and that
was, I felt good about that. It's.
Probably because. But also, funny enough, our
second Faith No More song. Yeah, well, all right, Mac or
Mac? I just called you Mac.
All right, Mac. It's all right, I'll.
Take it, I'll take it. Mac's kind of a cool nickname.
Mac's not bad, yeah? All right, Mac.
All right, Mike, round the sucker out.

(01:31:48):
OK, this is my last one. So Roderick, I'm real curious
about what band names you weren't saying in case anyone
had one from these bands. I'm not surprised, but I'm a
little surprised that none of uspicked an Oasis tune and I'm not
going to pick one right now. So that was a that was a nice.

(01:32:09):
Scene SO. No, I'm saying.
None of us did. That was I'm not going to.
Cool. I've picked, I picked, you know,
we've had Oasis before and I specifically picked something
off of What's the Story, MorningGlory.
So although it came out in 95, Ihad already picked something off
that album. So I kind of avoided it if I had
picked something specifically off the album before I set it
aside. I think that's that's good for

(01:32:30):
me to know that you guys had that additional criteria that I
didn't have is like stuff. And we don't want the guests to
have. But we're always gonna be like,
yeah, you know, I like that because I like that I didn't
pick it cuz it was like, I'm sure someone will, but no one
did. And I like, I like that it's
because you've used it before. So that's good.
OK so I'm down to my last like 3and I'm having a very hard time

(01:32:51):
deciding which. That was such a tease.
I was like. Oh wait, so.
Which one's he gonna pick? So good.
What a fake out. OK, but I have.
Another one here that also mighthave been one of the bands you
were talking about, and I think I might go with it.
So I'll tell you what, I'm not going.
To go with will. You save them for your Yeah,
I'll do that. OK, good.
OK so the one I'm going to pick,this is so hard but I'm going to

(01:33:14):
do High and Dry by Radiohead. You know, it's wild.

(01:33:40):
Probably my, I don't. I'm not big on the rankings
thing, so it moves around. But generally probably my second
favorite Radiohead record. People don't talk like the other
ones get so much attention, but I love The bends.
It's so good. Jeff Love Don's not a big
Radiohead guy, Mike. So what Mike Patton is to you,
Mike, is what Radiohead is to Don.
It's not that I'm not a big Radiohead like Radiohead fan, I

(01:34:02):
just missed it. Like it was just one of those
bands that lived in the ethos that like, I knew about them.
I saw the weird cartoon video and it just kind of passed me
by. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of
great Radiohead that I never gotdown with, but like.
Well, this is another one of those.
Oh, sorry, Don, I didn't mean tointerrupt you.
No, you're good. You're.
Good. I was going to say this is
another one of those for me where it's like I was a kid.

(01:34:23):
So I like had heard Creep but didn't know the band didn't know
anything about. I just knew, Oh, there's that
catchy song, but then this is another one where my friend
Derek gave me a dubbed cassette of the bends and he was just
like, hey, I think you might like this.
And I put it in my car and it was, it blew me away.
Like I, I couldn't believe what that record did to me.
And so I've kept up and I'm, I wouldn't call myself like, I'm

(01:34:43):
not like a one of these die hardRadiohead guys, but I do keep up
with them and I always like whatthey're doing, even if it's not
like, you know, I, I'm not, I'm not like, I don't know, I don't
know. I can't say I'm a die hard fan,
but I am a fan. So this one and this was the
introduction for me and it really planted a seed in me for
sure. Why is the bend shit on?

(01:35:05):
Why it's not that it's shit on, but all right, so here's why,
and I actually was just about tosay this.
This would actually this album would be a great starting place
for you, Don and that you probably won't do it because you
have enough music already. You don't need more.
But this would be a great starting place for you because
Pablo Honey was their first record and it's basically like a
post grunge alt rock record, which they now don't like

(01:35:25):
because they were kids basically.
This album is when they started to get experimental and they
started to form that Radiohead sound.
But it's still basically an alt rock record.
Yeah, it's just an alt. It's just a radio alt rock
record from the mid 90s and it fits totally in that thing.
And I think this record fits in your world.
But that's why it's not shit on by any means.

(01:35:46):
I think radio die hard Radioheadfans still like it, but as they
got experimental and as they started to invent music that had
never been kind of made before, that's what the Radiohead fans
love to talk and brag about, right?
Like your kid A's and your Hail to the Thieves and stuff.
So so they just don't talk aboutthis.
This is a top. But I love this record.
It's just great rocks rock songwriting with a little bit of

(01:36:07):
that. Like we're trying some different
shit here. We're trying some weird chords,
we're trying some weird sounds. I was.
Listening to the song. Weirdest in kid A?
That's where. That's where Radiohead gets the
weirdest is like Kid A and and. Then they get weird in different
ways. OK, computer gets pretty weird.
Got it. OK.
Sorry, Mike, go ahead. What were you?
Saying, Oh no, I was just going to say I was thinking about this

(01:36:29):
song specifically this morning. I was listening to it.
I was in the shower and I've thought kind of to your point,
Roderick, like this song feels to me like the last Radiohead
song where it's like, oh, you can you can listen to this song
and it sounds like Radiohead, but it is just a pop rock song,
you know, alt rock song that youcan hear that there are 15 bands

(01:36:50):
you know, of that sound like this song.
And then what Radiohead does after this.
Other bands don't sound like that, but you can hear like
especially I think high Andrea'sactually a great example of
like, oh, this song spawned or it like is a sort of it's a
little bit more generic in termsof the sort of like British

(01:37:12):
alternative rock thing. Like I think that being Travis,
who I'm a fan of. But like they they're like
Radiohead light or Coldplay, youknow what I mean?
Like bands that kind of do the thing Radiohead was doing at
this point, they made a whole career out of it where Radiohead
just sort of passed through thatmoment and went on to other
things. I'll give you an example too.
Don was and this, I had this on my I'll do.

(01:37:33):
It's one of my honorable mentions, but Jagged Little Pill
came out in 95. It was, I think, the biggest
record of 1995. And on that massive Jagged
Little Pill tour, Radiohead was the opener for Alanis
Morissette. So like it.
They were hitting a mainstream rock audience at this time with
this album before they got weird.
So like, it's kind of wild to think of Radiohead and Atlantis

(01:37:55):
Morissette now as being like a bill.
But in 90, in 95, I guess it just made sense.
So you know. Got it.
Yeah. I could have seen them.
This would have fit right in with Oasis too, you know.
That's yeah, that's why I kind of went with this one instead of
Oasis. But yeah, but Radiohead weren't
big in the UK until they startedputting out their weirder shit
like nobody was noticing them. I've heard that conversation

(01:38:17):
too, about like Radiohead was the one that got big in the US
easier than those other bands. But nobody in the UK was talking
about Radiohead at all at a partof, as a part of any
conversation around Oasis and Blur and Pulp and this kind of
stuff. Yeah, I.
Definitely wouldn't call them like Brit Pop, like they're not
in that thing, yeah. Radio has just over here like hi
or but they weren't even in the Bush conversation either.
Like they weren't in the post grunge conversation either.

(01:38:39):
They were just kind of like out like yeah, we're we live in we
live in England, but like we're going to just go over the US and
get big be popular. It's wild.
All right, I imagine we all we each have a chunk of honorable
mentions. So I do, shall we?
All right, I'm going to kind of.I'm not even going to give all

(01:39:00):
of them because I had 20 songs in this list.
Jesus. Christ.
Couple specific call outs. Some of my favorite albums that
came of all time came out in 95 S.
Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness came out in 95.
I could have picked about 50 songs off that.
Self-titled Foo Fighters, which is a top three all time record
for me, came out in this year but I've picked something off

(01:39:22):
that record before. A few other.
I remember the first CDI bought with my own money was was
Collective Soul self-titled which had December on it which
was I believe won the Grammy forsong of the year in 1995.
So that was huge. My sister was listening to Candy
Rain by Soul For Real. That was on every.
That was on every list. Yeah, but like Michael Jackson,

(01:39:43):
history came out so scream with the sister.
Didn't we do that? Didn't we put that on?
Wasn't that on a mixtape? No, it wasn't.
We talked. We've talked about the music.
Video game wasn't. I don't think so, maybe I didn't
check it because I knew I wasn'tgoing to pick, but OK.
Gin Blossoms till I hear it fromyou came out post by Bjork came
out. The army of me would have been a
great one of the greatest fucking bass lines.
I should have picked that for the bass episode.

(01:40:04):
I don't know man, I've got 5 on it by Lunas.
Only happy when it rains by garbage.
There's just so much I could keep.
Going, but I won't like. There's so much stuff that came
out in 95. Shimmy Shimmy Yeah, by old dirty
bastard. There we go, one more tons, tons
of great music. Yeah.
Which is crazy that I agree that9496 were both better, but 95
still had tons of great music. All right, so I had Linus.

(01:40:28):
I had Linus as well. I had I got Fives on it, but I
was going to talk about my stereo system in my 1987
Mitsubishi Galant for that one by tomorrow by Silverchair.
Yep. I had brown sugar by d'angelo's.
Saving that one for a very specific episode.
Silver Cheer by tomorrow. Yeah, I'm glad you did speak.
Songs about days. I just joined Jezebel by KMFDMI.

(01:40:50):
Was going to talk about bad boys.
We haven't had much industrial on the mix.
On the mix. Not a lot of industrial,
probably just 9 inch nails. And then God damn it, man, I, I
just, I refuse to ever put him on a mixtape just for principal,
but I want to every time. And it's going to be download by
R Kelly, but I won't put it on amixtape.
But for what it what that song was, what that video was The

(01:41:12):
Isley Brothers. But yeah.
Came across my table too and I just pushed it on by but yes it
was huge. Yeah, that was my list.
Sweet. The one for me that it felt like
it was in that Gray area where it's like it was on a comp from
95, and that's how it got to me,was a French disco by Stereo
Lab. I really, Yeah.
But that album came out in 94, right?

(01:41:35):
It was a single in 93. Single 90 and.
Then it came out on a comp in 95, yeah, so I didn't go with
that one. Underappreciated band still to
this day I think. They're so great.
Their new records great. They just made a new one.
It's great. I was going to pick a Mojave
three song love songs on the radio, which is one of my
favorite songs ever, but I felt like it was too too much like

(01:41:55):
the Low and Starflyer songs thatalready picked fair.
And then I had a Sunny Day Real Estate song, which is another
one of my all time favorite bands, but not my favorite song
by the band. So I didn't go with that, even
though I listen to that record. It's so much.
It's from the second album that was in 95 but.
LP LP-2, is that the pink LP-2 pink cover?

(01:42:17):
Yeah, correct. And that's you.
Know it's not a great record. It's so great, and that was
actually something else I thought about when I was
compiling. This was like a lot of my 1995
picks. I found that it was like, oh, I
love this record. I love what this record does to
me, but there's not necessarily a song on it that I would put on
a mix tape because what I would hand to someone is a is this

(01:42:38):
whole album, you know? This album exemplifies that.
Like it's like even if you look at their most played songs on
the streaming platforms, there'snot as there's three albums
represented and LP 2 is not one of them.
But LP 2 is a great record for to back.
It's just not like a singles thing.
There's not like a stand out song.
You just listen to the whole record. 8 is kind of a stand out

(01:42:59):
because it was on the Batman Forever soundtrack.
Hell yeah. But but you're right, like, and
that's why I didn't ultimately go with that one is 'cause it
felt like it doesn't represent anything for me other than
points at this record that represents something for me.
So I. Wanted to pick and I, I actually
would have it's been picked on the podcast before.
So like this song had been picked so I couldn't do it.

(01:43:19):
But I was gonna try to cheat thesystem because Kiss Kiss from a
Rose came out in 94, but the Batman Forever soundtrack came
out in 95, which it was the leadtrack off of.
And I was gonna make the argument that like, well, hold
on, it did come out. The soundtrack version came out
in 95, but we've we've picked Kiss from a Rose before on the
pod so. That's funny.
That song just came up at work yesterday and we were talking

(01:43:41):
about it. Great song.
Love that great karaoke song. Oh yeah.
Great call. All right, here's the damn.
Here's the damn list. This is how we do it.
Montel Jordan, 1st of the month.Bone Thugs N Harmony.
Life's a gas. The Ramones.
It's just Ramones. It's not the Ramones.
Just Ramones. Just Ramones spider webs no

(01:44:02):
doubt at the gates. Slaughter of the soul Star flyer
59 Star flyer 59 Yes Star fly flyer messed up over you Tupac.
Dear Mama, Faith No More. The gentle art of making enemies
low shame. Goo Goo Dolls name Rancid Ruby.
So, Goo Dolls. What the fuck ever.
Rancid, Ruby Soho and Radiohead,high and dry.

(01:44:26):
Oh, this will be an interesting sequence.
This is all over. Yeah, this is all over the.
Place. I can't wait to see where
Slaughter of the Soul ends up near Radiohead.
How to make a? Mix tape.
Mike, thank you for coming. Hey Mike, thanks for showing up

(01:44:48):
this time. My.
Pleasure. Yeah, I'm glad I'm.
Glad we appreciate it, yeah. Anything you want to shout out,
Mike? No, you already plugged the.
Single, the single, the reunion show coming up, all that stuff
that we talked about, the top ofthe show, that's what I got
going on. No, no date for the reunion show
or is there a date? March, I want to say 26, but I

(01:45:09):
could be wrong about that. It's in March and you know,
we'll, we'll hammer on it as it gets closer, but.
Yeah. Yeah.
And it's it'll be in Bloomington, IN.
Oh man, operation surgery just fucking flooded back.
It'll be the 20th anniversary ofthat record, so we're going to
play a few from that one, but. Dude, I love it.
All right, Well, thanks, Mike. We appreciate.

(01:45:32):
It have a. Great time Dawn, have a great
time in Japan. I hope you hear a lot of stories
from Japan when you get back Souvenirs.
In the meantime, people, for thecost of a cup of coffee a month,
you can join our Patreon. And I'm going to do some bonus
footage stuff like Don's Gone and I'm Missing doing the
podcast. I think I'm going to do some

(01:45:52):
bonus stuff. So people should join the
patreonpatreon.com/mixtape podcast.
So if you want to join that and otherwise.
We'll we'll get right back in the chairs when we get when I
get home. Well, again, Mike, thank you.
Everybody Go check out the new Mike Adams at his Honest Weight
Single. And yeah, we'll talk to you next

(01:46:12):
time. Thanks.
Guys. Thanks, dude.
Thanks guys.

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