Episode 39: Pervert Media "I Know Why You're Here"

This week on Brolapse, we get deep and dirty with Sir Joshua — the mastermind behind Pervert Media’s throat-destroying, boundary-blurring, beautifully brutal brand of porn. It’s our first ever sponsored episode thanks to the legends at Hankey’s Toys, who craft the monster silicone masterpieces that have stretched us all to new limits.

We dive into:

• Why “You know why you’re here” hits harder than you think.

• How trust and communication fuel the roughest scenes.

• The art of turning secret cravings into safe, consensual filth.

• Our shared stories of fisting’s journey from taboo to mainstream.

• Favorite Hankey’s Toys (spoiler: the Seahorse and Ogre FXL get wild love).

Joshua reveals the gentle side behind the savage persona, the teamwork with Tom that keeps Pervert Media thriving, and what makes a true pervert pig. You’ll laugh, get horny, and maybe learn a thing or two about aftercare, objectification, and why a milk chaser can save your throat.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. OK, hey guys, welcome back.
We're here for another episode of Brolapse and one that I'm
actually really excited about. Today is our first sponsored
episode by Hanky's Toys. So we're going to dig into a

(00:20):
little bit of questions of regarding the toys now that I
have my guest, Sir Joshua from Pervert Media, who I'm very
excited about. I have been a big fan for a
while and I was just telling himbefore we started filming that I
he is my background porn for a lot of my play sessions lately.
I love it. Yeah, we, I mean, in particular,

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we're going to get into some of the scenes that I that I'm a I'm
a big fan of and, and the ones that that his the heart, some of
his favourites. And so just want to say thank
you for coming on. It's remember, it's a pleasure
to have you. Thank you so much.
I'm, I'm so excited that you asked for this.
And this is actually the first time I think I'm ever talking
about pervert media kind of as my as myself on video.

(01:03):
I think I've done like some interviews, like in magazines
and things, but it's written down.
It's very different to yeah, this.
Yeah. So I, I live in Berlin.
I was born in the UK. My family are English, but I
moved around a lot and end up living in Sweden for a very long
time. Oh wow, Swedish citizenship.
And so that's how I'm able to live here in Germany.

(01:23):
Yeah, Nice. Awesome.
That's amazing. I've been interviewing a lot of
Europeans lately. I've had a bunch of a bunch of
guys from from overseas on lately and it's been, it's been
quite nice, a change of pace from the American guys ahead on
here. It's been fun to talk to people
from across the pond. So I'll start off with this has
been, this is something I noticed about your post.

(01:46):
So most of them open with, you know, why you're here.
Yeah. So what does that phrase mean to
you personally? And is it a challenge, a promise
or a warning? I think, I think the thing I
love the most about working in this industry is that like I get
a window into I think what maybelike polite society see as like
somebody's secret life. And I think there are probably,
like, many people who enjoy my videos but wouldn't openly tell

(02:08):
or admit to others that that's that they like that, you know,
they like the kind of pawn that I'm making.
And so I think that phrase to meis about, like, your desires and
your intentions. They are your own.
And only you can really know them.
And, you know, you know why you've come to watch this stuff,
I think. Yeah.
I wonder if that's because The funny thing is, is that the way

(02:30):
that phrase came about when I made Pervert Media, I wanted to
put something in the bio and I just wanted to write something.
I wanted something catchy, but Ididn't know what to write.
And so it just I just, it just came out.
I don't know where it came from.It wasn't really considered.
I was like, oh, this will do fornow.
I'm not really sure what I want to say here, but I think this is
what it will whatever, this willbe fine.
Sure. And then it's like taking on

(02:50):
this really like philosophical meaning for me.
Yeah, sometimes. I mean, look, look at Axel Abyss
as my whole, as my curse. A good.
Tag Brilliant. A good tag line goes a long way.
It goes so far, you know, my whole is my curse.
Yeah. I love that boy.
He's the best. Yeah, me too.
He's got a special place in my heart.
He's been there for me through thick and thin.
And yeah, he's been great. So yes, he and I actually had a

(03:13):
we walked through it was, it wasvery that was another, this is
another humbling experience. Walking through a crowd with
Dark Lands with him was very, itwas just stop every 10 seconds.
He's just so people just adore him.
People adore him. So that's I love hearing that
It's just an organic catch phrase like that.
I don't really have, I don't think I have a catch phrase like
this. I call myself a fame.
I kind of, I kind of feel like your net, just your name itself

(03:36):
is like as your. Like share or Madonna or.
Yeah, hunger FF it's like, it's so like, I mean, because you've
been AI mean you've been around like for so long, you know?
Yeah, I feel like that sentence comes across like negatively, I
mean it in the most positive waypossible.
But like you've like you've beenI feel like you've a lot maybe a
lot of the people who are like very popular now or like coming

(03:56):
up now. You've been around longer than
most of those people, I feel like.
Yeah, yeah, 2017 with the birth of like the new generation.
I ask a lot of these fisters. I'm like, when did you get into
fisting? From 2017, 2018?
I was like, it was there was me and Axel kind of birth this new
generation of. Yeah.
I mean, when you were, I mean, when you were, your videos were

(04:16):
on. And it's, I feel like it was at
a time where fisting wasn't thatthat popular.
And like now it's just really, or at least more people are
recording it, wanting to show itmore.
Yeah. I think my psychoanalysis of
what happened was is that there was prior to me and Axel, there
was a lot of like fisting was relegated to like desert nights.
I don't know. Do you remember that brand of

(04:38):
the imprint nights and just someof like the the European studios
were doing some fisting, but it was very much kind of an looked
like an end of the road sexual activity.
It was something that even porn porn studios would you do your
your time as Dick sex bottom or a Dick sex top.
And then at the end of your career, you transition to doing

(04:59):
fisting and that was your segue out was fisting was the last
thing you did. And now there's so many people
that have built an entire careeraround.
Just fisting. It's the first thing.
It's the first thing, yeah. So that's been, I think what
happened was, is that we kind of, I've thought a lot about
this, that maybe we gave permission to a lot of people to
do that. And so it's like a the

(05:19):
transition from it being an end of the road sexual activity like
to a like a plan A. Like you said, it was pretty
pretty that 2017, 2018 year markbenchmark was kind of when that
sort of shifted I think. Yeah.
Not that I'm taking any credit for that, I promise.
I'm not. I mean, you can, I think.
I think so your style in your videos is is kind of ruthless.

(05:41):
I don't want apologize, yeah. But from what I've heard is that
it's a very safe experience for the guys that are that are yeah.
So yeah, everybody that I've, you've come up quite a bit,
quite a few times in the last couple episodes.
And I've seen that's been really, really nice.
You've all said really nice things about me.
It's very nice. Thank you.
Yeah, you've got a lot of you'vegot a lot of fans and a lot of
people that have worked with youthat are really, really love,
really love it. Was there a specific moment or

(06:02):
influence that pushed your work into the direction that you're
filming in? I think this is such an
interesting question because I've ever since I've been
sexually active, I've always just gravitated towards this
kind of sex, like things that are a little bit more taboo in
some, in some shape or form. And the reason for that, I'm not
like 100% sure. Like there are probably some
things I could point to, but I'mjust, I kind of, I kind of don't

(06:24):
know in a way. It's just sort of developed and
morphed perhaps over time. But I think these days I'm, I
think I'm trying to like analyzeless and just enjoy myself more,
if that makes sense. Yeah.
No, totally. And, and I think sometimes it's
in our DNA. Yeah, I don't know.
I think it's, I want sometimes Iwonder, and I don't know if this
even makes sense, but I wonder if it's like how there are

(06:44):
things that are fundamental to the human experience, and one of
them is violence. And we all get that out of us in
different ways. And I wonder if, like, the way
that I connect with maybe that that part of my humanity is
this. Yeah.
That's a probably much healthierway than many people deal with
their violent tendencies. Yeah, for sure.

(07:05):
I mean, I'm sure that there are many people who are doing what
I'm doing behind closed doors, but the context is different,
you know? Yeah, you're probably doing it
for the wrong reasons, or it's abusive or without consent or
whatever. You know, like.
Yeah, right. Yeah, or I think.
Just in terms of yeah, absolutely.
And I think just in terms of like my context and how I see
what I'm doing, I think it's yeah.
It feels like a very positive thing for me personally.

(07:27):
Yeah. And it feels done in a kind of,
I mean it seems from what I've heard from the guys that have
played with you, it's that it's done in a very Safeway.
You get the kind of edge out, but it's also kind of they feel
comfortable and safe with you. Yeah.
So really my goal really is to foster this kind of
relationship. And I, I take time to nourish
these relationships so that people feel safe.

(07:50):
I mean, what we do, what we're doing requires a lot of trust,
and that trust has to be earned.Yeah, yeah.
And I think that's what makes a great Sir.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not really in the Dom sub Sir boy realm.
I've never really connected, connected so much with that.
I've never felt submissive, but I I feel I know enough about the
culture that I know that it's really important that that trust

(08:11):
is earned. Yeah, it's not this like,
because there's so many guys that will be on Scruff or
Grinder and they'll be like, you're my boy, you're going to
be my slave. Yeah.
And it's like, man, where's the where's the development of a
relationship in that? Where's the romance?
I think there's a lot of romance.
I feel like there's a lot of romance in like the courtship
around dumb sub kind of dynamics.
Yeah, because. Communication is just the most

(08:33):
important thing and just making sure that people are on board
sort of at every stage of the journey, you know, making sure
that you're that you both have the, you know, you have the same
sort of destination in mind. Yeah, that's, that's, that's
amazing. And if I was to, I mean, that's
the thing. I think I just said maybe I just
haven't met the right story yet.Yeah, I think definitely.

(08:53):
I mean, I may be quite, I was going to say famously, I think
just maybe among my crowd, I famously I'm someone who I
don't, I don't get along with doms very well.
And I just think that we function quite differently on a
fundamental level. I'm dominant in my sex life, not
all of it, like in, in this areaof my sex life, I'm dominant and

(09:14):
I think it's a very real part ofmy personality, but it's not
everything. And so I'm, I really don't like
it when someone feels like they have to dominate people like in
every aspect of their life. I find it really boring.
It's going to be exhausting. Oh my God, It's just, yeah,
it's, you know, and I've, I've tried, I've tried to do like
24/7 Dom sub, you know, relationships and things like

(09:35):
that. And in the end, for me, it just
doesn't work out because at the end of the day, I don't want to
be in charge all the time. I don't want to pull the
decisions. I want to be able to turn off
and not do anything and not be responsible for anyone.
Sometimes it feels like a burden, you know?
Yeah, totally. I mean, I can imagine I have a
hard enough time making decisions for myself most of the
time for somebody else, I don't know.
So a lot of your content walks the line between performance and

(09:58):
punishment, which I think is probably, you know, it, some of
it looks a little punishing to me.
So where do you think the boundary is between fantasy and
real emotional surrender? I think my work is actually like
a direct combination of these two things.
Like the fantasy is the scenarioand the scene that we are
creating, but like everything that happens within that is
real. If that makes.

(10:18):
Sense. Yeah, No, it is.
I mean, on the outside you are looking at the fantasy of, you
know, whatever it is, but then what is happening?
Yeah, totally. That totally makes 100%.
Sense actually one thing I did, I did hear this note and I've
heard this note actually from Tom who does all the filming.
And I've heard this like in comments from people that I'm
whispering a lot to to a sub andit's not always audible what I'm

(10:40):
saying and they're always askingme like what the fuck are you
saying? They really want to yeah.
And I actually think this kind of like fantasy scenario that
are there, a lot of it is actually playing out there that
people can't really hear. And it might be very specific to
the relationship that I have with that sub, like the actual
dynamic we have, because even though it's a doms Dom sub, the
things that turn people on individually is very different.
You know it varies massively. Sure, I'm actually really vocal

(11:03):
during most of the scenes that Ifeel like I bullshit a lot.
I'm gonna say This is why I say I'm a terrible sub because I
could never. I can't.
I tend to crack a lot of bro jokes and this sort of dumb
stuff that comes out of my mind.I don't really know where it
comes from, but I actually run avocal enhancer on all of my
videos before I publish that because people really like to
hear the kind of casual I've heard from people.

(11:26):
They like to hear the casual kind of conversation.
So there are, there's a curiosity there about what we're
talking about. That's totally, totally been my
experience as well. So how do you prep a sub
physically and mentally for the kind of sessions that you film?
Because they do seem pretty intense.
So do you think that guys know what they're really asking for
when they volunteer to be part of Pervert Media?
I think that people would be very surprised to learn that the

(11:46):
majority of people who show up on my account for the very first
time are having their throats used like that for the very
first time as well. And over time, I found that it's
actually more about attitude than it is about experience.
Because what I do important and sucking in actual cock are like
fundamentally quite different and sort of how they feel and

(12:06):
the placement in the throat and you know, like how much force
I'm able to have with my upper body.
It's very different than like thrusting your hips with a Dick
and being able to use your arm, you know.
And so I think the thing that people have to get prepared for
the most is what all the the work that is happening behind
the scenes up until we do the scene together is a lot of

(12:27):
communication and sort of questions about safety and
limits and all of those things. Like that's the biggest
preparation that happens, I would say, to ensure that, like,
you know, someone is ready for asession with me.
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Go ahead. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Mostly, you know, what you don'tsee is a lot of the behind the
scenes stuff, you know, like allthe moments that are happening,
you know, when that person arrives at my apartment and this

(12:49):
negotiation and yeah, but even just the casual chit chat as
well. And you know, but what it what
it looks like between scenes andthings like that.
I consider myself a trisexual like I've tried.
I like to think that I've tried almost everything that there is
to do is actually the one thing that I can say I've never done
is I've never done any throat training or throat play or
anything like that. I've never done it.

(13:12):
I don't know what because my sexorgan has always been my whole.
I guess that's just sort of beenalways just been my shtick and
so. I think we need to make a video
and then you can play it in the background, yeah.
That is one thing. I never play my own videos in
the background. I walk.
I feel occasionally somebody will be like, can you play money
or videos? And I'm like, I don't know what
I want to play if I want to go down that road.

(13:33):
But yeah, no, I'll happily be somebody else's background for
it. But no, the I've never done
that. And I have a gnarly gag, not a
gnarly gag reflect. I mean I can suck a Dick like no
problem, but I just. But I guess that's part of it,
the gag reflex. I think it's funny when I get a
message from someone who's interested in doing it and then
they write like as a negative. That is what they're sort of

(13:54):
putting forward is that my gag reflex is really bad.
So I don't know if I'm really upfor the task.
And I'm like, it literally does not matter.
It's the point of the the the session.
I think when you. Yeah.
Did you do a scene where you hadlike somebody drink?
Or maybe maybe it happened more often than not, I just haven't
noticed it. But where they drink milk
beforehand? Yeah, actually this is one of my
industry secrets. I usually have people, not

(14:15):
always, but I often have them drink almond milk because it's
alkaline so it neutralizes stomach acid.
That's so interesting. There's science behind this.
There's science because when youpuke up and there's stomach acid
in there, like it's so bad for your teeth, it really fucks up
the back back of your throat. It's just generally very
uncomfortable. So we want to like not have any
of that. OK, so now I feel better.

(14:37):
Yeah, like you. You do fine, you know, and it's
fundamentally very different, like as I said, like between
sucking a cock and, and what I do, because I think even if
you're in a dumb sub dynamic where you're sucking someone's
Dick, for the most part, you have some level of control.
Like unless your head is like attached to something, you know,
in one of those situations, I think on some level you have

(14:57):
some control. And but with what I do, it's
like I'm, I'm forcing something down your throat, you know, it's
like, it's quite different how those two things work.
So my point is that when you suck a Dick, your gag reflex is
probably going to come up as more like an issue, but I'm able
to sort of like push through it.Yeah, that's hot.
Why am I getting so turned up? There it is.
So there's a recurring theme of degradation in your captions,

(15:20):
calling holes sloppy, used, desperate.
What draws you to that language?Is it about power, intimacy, or
something else? It's so funny.
Like sometimes I feel like thesewords are like the jargon of our
industry. Like, you know how like
carpenters have some sort of jargon.
And in finance, there's like they there's like a specific set
of vocabulary. Yeah.
Sometimes I feel like these words are just that, you know,

(15:41):
But I suppose that it's, it's all centered around
objectification, you know, like me wanting to objectify you, you
wanting to be objectified. Yeah, that's how I think it's.
Not I love, I will say that there, there.
I don't. I've never minded being
objectified for my prolapse or my butthole.
I've never really minded it because it turns me on.
It feels good to get complimentsand so.

(16:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it feels good.
So it's never bothered me, the objectification for my prolapse,
as long as there's still some humanity to it, to it as well.
Yeah, I mean, and this is the thing, like it's so different.
Like we're sometimes it's like we're using all the same
vocabulary, but it means something different to each of
us. You know, one person's
objectification looks very different to somebody else's

(16:23):
objectification, you know? Oh yeah, like how they.
How they want to receive it, youknow, Sure.
Or how someone wants to play that out.
It's also different from person to person.
Yeah, because one person's objectification might be an
insult to another person. Yeah, exactly.
Like, and This is why so much negotiation has to happen.
Yeah. Have you ever considered showing
some of that negotiation ahead of time what some of that looks
like? This is sorry, sorry, this is
kind of random question. I'm just.

(16:45):
Yeah. It's sometimes the the behind
the scenes stuff to I know that we are selling a fantasy, but
it's also there's a there's a line to walk between selling a
fantasy and making people feel like porn, that their sex life
has to look like a porn scene all the time.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think there is in
general, there is a kind of likeDIY aspect to like what I do.
And I think that's why it resonates to a lot of people.
But in terms of showing like anything sort of behind the

(17:07):
scenes, it's definitely something I've considered, but I
just never really understood what the best medium for it is.
And I think that like it's been a conscious decision maybe up
until this point to maybe not doas many interviews and things
like that or show sort of reallywho I am.
Because a lot of what I'm doing,I feel like is that I don't
actually talk that much. And even on my profile, like I,

(17:28):
you know, I put like my Sunday newsletter where I've written
something about each each scene,but you don't get a much sense
of my personality. And the point of that is so that
you can like, fill in the blanksbecause everybody's, as we're
talking about everybody's objectification and everybody's
desire is flavored so differently.
And so their their view is different.
And so I want people to be able to sort of plug in the things

(17:49):
that they want to add, you know?Yeah.
And sometimes I feel like parts of my personality get in the way
of that. So it's just I just sort of.
Yeah. Yeah, I hear you.
I mean, and I think that it's it's funny, like my we're very
opposite when it comes to that. I feel like my personality is
kind of I throw it at people. I'm just this is my dumb, stupid
banter during sex. And but I appreciate that

(18:11):
there's there's a fantasy to be built around the mystery, the
mystery. I mean, when people come to for
a scene, I mean this, this is a comment I get all of the time,
which is the a lot of people that I film with are people who
have watched my videos and then they'll come to my apartment and
meet me. And they're always surprised
that I'm quite like an open person who likes chit chat and I
want to get to know you. And we have lots of really like

(18:32):
friendly conversation. They're quite surprised by that
because their age of me was someone who's very just like
aggressive at all times. Just what a generally violent
person. Yeah, genuinely violent person
after talking to you now, I don't get that vibe at all.
I never really got that vibe from you in the 1st place.
But I mean, like, it's really like maybe just because I've
talked to so many people who've just debunked that, but it's
that's. Funny I was talking to I was

(18:54):
recently with Rock Biggs. I went to go stay with him and
his husband on their farm just to like relax for a week.
Like, no filming anything, just chilling out.
And we were talking about how dowe refer?
Like, how do we tell people whatwe do for a living?
Like, do you say I'm a porn actor?
I'm a porn star? Like, what do you say?
And I was saying in this conversation that I don't
consider myself a porn actor because for me, it's not acting

(19:16):
like this is like a very real part of my personality and who I
am. But it's like a slither of it,
you know? And I'm like, I'm this person
when I'm doing, doing this is a very real part of me.
But I'm not that person all of the time, you know?
But it's like there's a lot of like code switching going on.
It's like during a scene, I'm like that.
But then in the breaks between scenes, then I'm a, you know,
I'm this version of myself. Yeah, you know.

(19:37):
I think people toss around the word porn star so easily now.
And the era of porn star I feel kind of died with Matthew Rush.
And yeah, I don't know who the other ones are, but Matthew Rush
is kind of what I think of when I think of a porn star or
anybody who's got Colton Ford porn star, you know, rest in
peace. It's that type of thing.
It's but the people toss around porn star so easily and I don't

(20:00):
know if you necessarily are in the era of porn stars anymore.
Yeah. Miss Funny Rock, Rock was saying
that he would he would say porn star because he sees there's
like a lot of comedic value in it.
It's like, funny, yeah. Yeah, as a joke, As a.
Yeah, yeah. To be like, yeah, I'm a star.
I just, I typically just call myself a content creator anymore
because I like that term. It's so it's palatable to

(20:21):
straight people. It's palatable to non.
It's so funny, I hear people saying that they don't like
referring to themselves as that.Like they don't like that word
content, like, because it feels very manufactured.
Yeah, very flat. It feels very like, yeah,
manufactured, kind of. I can just tell my grandma that
I'm a content creator and she swallows it down.
She's like, that's OK. You know what?

(20:43):
You know, what do you do? What do you know?
And I could say I'm a content creator, grandma, you know,
whatever. It's easier for me to explain
content creation. You know that it's like, I do
videos, I do editing. I do you know, podcasting,
writing, whatever it is, it all kind of is under the umbrella of
content creation. I mean, my, my entire family
know what I do with with like pretty, pretty, I would say they

(21:04):
know quite specifically what I do.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't say like they haven't seen anything, but
they know that I do BDSM and andwhatnot and all my family are
really supportive. Yeah, I was.
My mother actually heard my Howard Stern interview.
I did Howard Stern a couple weeks ago.
Where? Amazing.
I finally got a one-on-one. I've been on the show 5 times
and I finally got a one-on-one sit down with him for half hour
which was really cool but my momwanted to hear it and I was oh

(21:26):
God. They played audio of me getting
fisted, screaming, very gutturaland so she doesn't that hurt.
I want to do it if it hurts, butno, you asked for you asked.
Oh God, no, I warned. You ahead of times.
I mean, my, my mother, when I told her, her first question
was, are you happy? And I said, yeah, I feel happy.

(21:48):
And then that was it. And she didn't even know
anything else. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, you got a good mom. She's yeah, she's, I think she
doesn't want to know any details, but she's very
supportive of me and all careersthat I've had because I've done
many things at this point now. Well, I'd say many.
I've done two things. I've I worked, I watched the
translator for like yeah, for for a.
Decade. Is this your Herbert Media, your

(22:08):
full time gig now? Yeah, yeah.
Congratulations. Thank you so much.
It's exciting when you can do something that you really love
for. Yeah, it's I'm, I'm really
fortunate that I mean, I was thinking of this the other day.
I was having a conversation witha friend and they brought a
friend and they were asking about what I do and that it and
I had this wild thought, which was that.
So last year my Just for Fans was the number seven globally

(22:32):
for the SIS Mail category. And the year before I was #2 in
all of Europe. Oh, wow.
And these are things that are like, feel like big achievements
for me. But then I thought, I don't even
get naked. I make porn and I don't take my
clothes off. Like that is such, I've, I
occupy such an like a niche partof the industry.
Like I, I, I, I'm, I have success, you know, like, I'm

(22:53):
able to live off this and I don't take my clothes off.
Isn't that wild? Yeah, it's great.
What I noticed I used to becauseprimarily just for fans used to
be my primary yeah platform and so like I used to post on there.
I was undressed for friends whenit kind of just started and so
like the first few years I was number 34 whatever and then but
it was cool. It was that it seemed everybody
that was occupying those top tenspots was a very niche person.

(23:17):
It was a rope train keep me and Seattle dad I think was one of
them at the time and it showed aneed for diversity in porn.
It showed a need for it showed that there was a desire for
diversity in porn, that there was these.
Yeah, no, please. Sorry.
No, just that these popular her pages were all kind of niche
pages. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, what I thought was really interesting was this year
that I was #2 in Europe, the person was #1 is someone called

(23:42):
cruising come down. I haven't really, like, seen
much of his work. But basically he goes to, I
think maybe he lives in Spain, he goes to beaches in Barcelona,
this kind of thing, and goes to the cruising area, puts his
phone on the ground with like the camera facing up.
And then it's him just getting like.
Yeah, fucked Dick after Dick after Dick.
Yeah, yeah. And what I love so much is that
he and I are occupying these like 2 top spots, but what he is

(24:04):
doing is like very much like interacting with the sort of
like OG gay experience, you know, like cruising, cruising on
a beach or something. And what I, what I'm doing is so
different to that. I just love that, you know, we
had these two spots and they're so different.
Yeah, nice. I just got AI.
Just got a coffee delivery from my friend.
He just popped into my room and handed me a coffee.
Like I wish I had a fucking where's my fucking drink?

(24:26):
The coffee fairy, you use heavy props, bondage and sometimes
there's fisting in elements to to a lot of your videos.
So yeah, does it take to us for a sub to earn that kind of
treatment from you? And is it more about your owner
just that day or is it somethingit still kind of feels like it
probably comes down in the negotiation aspect?
Yeah. I mean, what I would say is that
I'm not sure that anyone, I would, I'm not sure I would
describe anything I do as something that needs to be

(24:47):
earned. I think like each scene is like
negotiated at length beforehand and then like further
negotiations are happening on the day.
You know, often things don't go to plan, you know, all things,
all things like that. And then, I mean, and, you know,
these negotiations can like evencome down to like which toys
that I'm using and, you know, all sorts of things.
So yeah, I think it's a combination of like what I want,

(25:08):
what they want. It's all it's all a
conversation. That's all the best sexes.
Yeah, yeah. It's a dance, you know, We're
like, I mean, I guess it looks very staged in some way, I guess
because of the setup maybe, you know, I'm still looking to have
a connection with somebody. Do you have one singular?
I mean, because I've kind of, I've dissected some of your
videos And so do you have one, Do you have one play space in

(25:29):
your house or multiple play spaces?
So I'm fortunate enough to live in quite a large apartment here
in Berlin, and my main room is like 50 square meters.
I don't know what that is in American, like 500.
No, I don't. It's a big, it's a really,
really big room. And so that room itself has like
3 sort of different locations that I film in.

(25:51):
OK yeah. And then sometimes we film in
Tom's bedroom. OK, yeah, I noticed that there's
different sets in or different, different spaces that yeah,
fisting seems to happen in one spot and yeah, so.
Yeah, a friend of ours was moving to Finland, and we went
over to their apartment and they're just like giving all
their stuff away. And they had this like
carpenter's table. And they were like, do you want
that? And we're like, OK, I guess

(26:11):
we'll take it. And then just one time we were
like, oh, we could use this in the seams.
Like now we use the tape. We have this carpenter's table.
We use that as like our fisting bed.
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with it.
Yes. Awesome.
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All right, and we're back. So now, since we've heard the
message from our sponsor, you'veused Hanky's toys in a ton of

(27:18):
your scenes. Do you have any absolute
favorite models that are a favorite models of their toys
that you swear by when it's timeto destroy a hole and any kind
of crazy stories that happen to do it with the branch?
Yeah, I mean, I actually have a favorite, and it's not just
because I've used it, but it's one that I see a lot, is the
seahorse. Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh man. The Seahorse.
And there's, oh, I wonder. I should look up.

(27:40):
I need to. I need to shout him out.
Oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm going to look up somebody so
fast. Take your time.
Because he deserves such a shoutout.
I'm looking. It's not this page.
I'm just going through my friends on Just for Fans.
Yeah, I love the fact that we can do friends on Just for Fans
now. Oh, I guess the best.
Yeah. OK, right.

(28:01):
I found him. OK, I'm coming back.
How do I get that right? I'm back.
OK, So yes, so it's Seahorse I love and it's not just from like
me using it. It's also that I've it's just
one that I see a lot and there'ssomeone that we're like Internet
friends. He's called his just for fans as
FF like F Falco. So it's like Falco?
Double F yes I love his video. He has the most amazing hole in

(28:25):
the whole world and he uses likea turquoise, A seahorse a lot.
And there's another guy who he'sso funny.
Actually, I love his Twitter to sort in general, like the stuff
that he writes. He's called Pink National
Treasure. Do you know?
I just interviewed him yesterday.
Oh. My God, he's amazing.
Yeah, I just interviewed him yesterday.
He's going to be on the episode following you.
Oh, incredible. I love him.
I think he's really, really cool.
We've chatted a bit and I believe he uses this toy too.

(28:47):
And then he does. This whole is the fucking his.
Wild. Treasure.
It is he had he just posted a video of him getting I mean,
I've seen people take I mean U2 like like up to the shoulder.
I've seen that like in right andI've seen it in videos, but I
think I've never really seen it to that extent where it's like

(29:08):
10 minutes of the video is like really hard shoulder fucking
yeah. It's like a whole different
level. Yeah, he's a doll.
He was I yesterday. Was he masked?
Huh. Was he masked?
He was masked, yes. OK.
And we talked about the, I learned something new yesterday.
I learned about Lesbro culture, which was really interesting.
It's something. So those of you guys who are
listening to the episode, next week's episode is going to be

(29:29):
big National treasure where we talk about Lesbro culture and
this whole kind of movement toward bottoms playing with each
other and just appreciating their holes together.
And so I thought that was a really interesting conversation
and, and one that I related to alot because I always love, I
call it, I used to call it bottoming out, bottoming out
with my Bros. But it was cool.
He was, he was a doll and he wassuper, super sweet and, and has
a lot of insight about what it means to remain anonymous in the

(29:51):
industry. Yeah.
And with the with the mask and all that.
So I thought it was a really interesting conversation.
So. Because he there was a period
where he actually had no mask. Yes, I remember and that's why I
was surprised when I went back to his page, I saw nothing but
the mask. But he seems to be enjoying his
anonymity, which I told him I said it was.
It's it's nice to be able to turn it on and off, to go to

(30:11):
events and just be yourself. And then also just, you know, to
be able to be an identity on theInternet, it's got to be be
really nice, so. Yeah, 100%, but I would say yes
and experience with that. I'm trying to remember who it's
who it's with, but it's in one of my videos you can find it.
It might be with Toby Field who is like to be filled 0 on
Twitter. OK, it might be with him or

(30:33):
someone else. I can't remember now, but using
it as a strap on. So I had like a big like hefty
strap on attached. I have a really Hot video from
years ago where I was in this hotel room in downtown Fort
Lauderdale just getting the biggest seahorse just like, like
really? That was a wild wild because
that's a, that's a, the ridges on that toy are brutal.
Like an asshole. Yeah, yeah.

(30:54):
It's like it looks like a fucking Geiger painting, like
like Alien, you know, it's like that kind of fucking yeah.
It's crazy. Yeah, my favorite hankies toy
that I've been using lately is the Ogre 4XL, which is like my
favorite. It's like.
Yeah, this one I've seen, I've seen it.
I've seen it been coming up quite a bit.
It might also be Pink National Treasure.
I might be using that. Yeah, it's a really, it's a
beast. It's a beast toy, but it's it's

(31:16):
the the description for it is about they make it sound like
it's the Incredible Hulk's Dick.Yeah, give the Hulk head what
the Hulk's Dick must look like. And it's it's pretty pretty
pretty major. It's a good stretch.
So all right, let's see. So, so anyways, getting back to
kind of traditional questions. So from your perspective, what
separates a whole from a human being in a scene?

(31:38):
Are they the same thing? Because what I kind of noticed
is that there's this big push for I'm just a whole, Sir.
I'm just a whole Sir. I'm so sorry.
And sometimes I feel that can bea little bit of a double edged
sword too. So are they the same thing or do
you see them as kind of when you're playing, do you see them
separately? I mean I would say I think the
point is that they are one in the same thing.

(31:59):
I think the point is that you can be a fully formed person
with a life and at the same timea worthless object.
And I think it's about like all the lines, sort of all the
things between the lines. Yeah, yeah.
That's great. I mean, because I, I, I always
kind of roll my eyes when I hearthe I'm just a whole sort of
thing. But then just because I'm, I
don't know why I just bothered. That's that phrase just kind of

(32:20):
has always irked me a little bit, but I appreciate it for
what it means to, you know, to each each individual and then
some guys can really resonate with that better.
I mean, it's just, I guess it's like people just expressing
their flavor of objectification and then it's about how you
respond to that, you know, it's like a back and forth, a call in
response, you know? Now that I'm saying that out
loud, I just want to eat my words because how many times

(32:42):
I've said I'm just a meat sack. There's all these different
phrases and I love that actuallythere are like different phrases
always popping up, like pig national treasure.
Like the way that he writes about his his pussy is just
like, sometimes it's hilarious, you know?
Yeah, the creativity is wonderful and it's such a big
part of it, you know? And he's deadpan serious about
it. That was the great thing he had

(33:02):
when I was talking to him about Lesbro rules, what it means to
be a Lesbro. He's as soon as there's a Dick
involved, it's not Lesbro anymore, it's not Lesbro, it's
not Lesbro. And so he had very kind of
succinct rules for what it meantto be a Lesbro.
And I thought the whole conversation was really
interesting. Wow, amazing.
So you feature a wide variety ofguys and pigs in your videos.

(33:23):
Different bodies, identities, styles of submission.
What do you think makes somebodya pervert media pig?
I yeah, it's sort of interesting, isn't it?
Because I like, I like to, I like that the, my profile is
varied. I like there's all different
types of people. There are more types of people I
would like to do scenes with, but it always just comes down to
like which of those people are interested in what I do.

(33:44):
That's like the first barrier and the second one is location.
Like often we're just in the same place and it's hard for us
to get to. But I think it probably purely
just comes down to attitude. Like, our desires can match up,
but our attitude is, like, what makes or breaks a session.
I think it's maybe someone who's, like, curious and
adventurous and sort of like, willing to try new things.
I think that's, I don't know. I want to be too much of like,

(34:06):
yeah, I don't know. I wonder if that's too much of,
like, a philosophical answer. But I think that's how I see it
because, yeah, it's a very sort of democratic, like, anybody can
be involved. And I don't know if this will
make sense. I wonder if this will make
sense. Maybe you'll make sense to you.
But I don't need to be. I think maybe there are like
levels to my sexual attraction and I don't need to be like the
most deeply sexually attracted to a person to do the scene

(34:28):
because the scene itself is whatturns me on.
Yeah. Does that make sense?
No, it does because I have some of my most, some of my most
favorite fisting experiences in my life have been with people
that I'm not sexually attracted to.
I remember specifically one timeI was at a party in DC and there
was guys in this room and eight of them paired off and it was

(34:48):
the one guy that was in the roomI was not necessarily physically
attracted to. And I was, What do I do?
Do I sit here in the corner and not play and be a Dick or I just
play with them and see what happens?
And so I was like, you know what, Brian, just get out of
your head and just go and have agood time.
And it was some of the best, best thing I've ever had in my
life. He turned to me.
He turned me out and I was fucked.
This is they don't have to be for me.

(35:09):
It is also about attitude. And there's certain certain
attitude. As soon as somebody says to me,
well, I don't think I can. I don't think that I'm
experienced enough or I don't think I'm this or that or I
don't, you know, the confidence for me is the most biggest turn
on. Then in general, like
confidence, you know, that's, that's for me the biggest turn
on and and attitude as well. So I really don't 100% of that.

(35:30):
I think it also goes both ways. Like there are definitely people
that, I mean, I feel like I knowthat I've done a scene with that
they are not necessarily sexually attracted to me, but I
play a role, of course. But I think it's like what I'm
doing, it's the platform. It's that many people can see
it, you know, like everybody's desires are different, you know,
and their reasons for doing it are different.

(35:50):
So yeah, I think it also definitely goes both ways.
But I don't have any bad feelings about that, you know?
Yeah. No, and I know, and I know, I
know as well. I'm not everybody's cup of tea
either. Yeah, like sometimes you're just
the access point. And like someone joked recently,
like someone had come for a session and they joked that
like, they know a lot of people who have done scenes with me,

(36:11):
people who are like in the industry and people who are not
in the industry. I filmed a lot of people who are
not in the industry. And now it's joke that I'm like
a stop on like, the Berlin Euro trip.
Like Americans, I come to Berlinand like one stop is like coming
to my apartment to do a scene. It's kind of a nice feeling
though, right? Yeah, it is.
It is. And it's and it's super
surprising when there are certain people who I'm, you

(36:33):
know, who reach out to me or I reach out to them, whatever
happens first someone that I admire has been watching for a
long time and then they come back with being like, oh, I've
been watching your stuff too. I'm a big fan that are like,
that's always really nice. Yeah, it's cool.
It's the subculture within content creators or porn star
porn actors or whatever. It's we have our own little like
it's, it's a, we're in the same industry together, but we also

(36:54):
get like excited about each other like it's, it's a boy
school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some of my, some of my best scenes have been with people
that aren't in an industry as well.
It's like a scruff or scruff or grinder hookups or whatever.
And, and because they're not there for to put on a show,
they're there to just kind of play and, and have a good time.
So, so let's talk about the throat destruction scenes.

(37:16):
What fascinates you about that kind of play compared to fisting
or other types of bondage or that's just like?
This is such a good question that you might think that I have
like I have memorized because like so many people ask me this
question about like what's my fixation and fascination with
it. And I don't have a good answer
like in terms of its origin. Like I really have no idea like

(37:38):
where it comes from or why I like it in terms of its like
origin story. But I, yeah, I wonder there are,
I, but I wondered, I guess thereare, I guess there's some sort
of like formula involved that like maybe it's like how close
close I have to be. But I don't know.
I think, I think it's also something that has morphed and
changed like over the years as well.
And I wonder if there's kind of some sort of formula involved,

(38:00):
like how the physical closeness I have with somebody, like
looking into their eyes. I don't know, something about
the forced expression as well ofit is very horny to me.
And I I'm like re turned on by it all of the time.
Yeah. I don't know how to explain
that. Brock's eyes are popping out of
his skull when he's. Holding out his head.
Yeah, yeah. So that was really.

(38:21):
And I don't. I can't explain what I find hot
about it because it's not usually my scene, but there's
something really erotic about. It I think it's something I
wonder. I don't know if this is true,
but I wonder if there's something about like when
there's a when cock sucking scene, the way that it's filmed,
it's like you can only get it atcertain angles, right?
Because like this is someone's head and this is someone's cock

(38:43):
in the back of that is their butts.
You can't like film from this way.
And I wonder if like what I do like sort of shifts the
perspective of like what you're actually seeing and what's
happening in someone's face. Like it's a full image.
And I wonder if it's sort of like, I wonder if that's part of
it. I don't know.
I don't really know. I mean, of course it's like
deeply linked to like oral sex and sucking Dick, but of course
it's not what I'm doing. So it's.

(39:03):
Yeah, but there's also the throat training aspect of it to
train your throat. I've noticed that there's been a
big kind of movement towards that on the Internet where I've
seen, I've seen that a lot of guys that even fisters, the
fisters that are kind of migrating to that and doing
things. I've noticed a shift in myself.
The amount of content that I seeon my pages or my feet has been
from fisting accounts has been increasing, so maybe you've got

(39:28):
something to do with that. Yeah, maybe I'm playing a role
and I feel fine about that. Like I definitely didn't invent
it by any any stretch of the imagination.
But I guess I'm just the one that maybe like dedicates so
much of my platform to it. Yeah.
And I think that that's resonating considering you're #3
and then so. #2 or something 2. That's, that's really
interesting. So what's of them?

(39:49):
What do you think one of the biggest misconceptions that
people have about your content would be?
I would say maybe I was about tosay that I think it's kindness
that maybe that but I want to take, but like I'm having like
an internal monologue in my headnow.
I was going to say like, oh, kindness.
Maybe people don't know that there's a lot of kindness behind
what I'm doing and relationship I have with these people.

(40:09):
But at the same time, I'm now thinking back to a lot of the
comments I get on just with fans.
For example, even some comments on Twitter is people saying that
they recognize that even though I'm doing something really
brutal to somebody that they seethat there's a lot of like
kindness involved. So maybe that's not totally
true. Maybe it's just.
Maybe the. Misconception might be around my
personality, like how I am as a person, how I like conduct
myself and like move through theworld.

(40:30):
Like maybe a lot of people thinkthat maybe I'm quite like an
aggressive person or violent person and then they come and
meet me and I'm just sort of like, yeah, like how I am now.
But I think also maybe like one con around porn is that a lot of
the behind the scenes stuff is, is not communicated or it's it's
difficult to know how to communicate that.
And so people see it maybe sometimes as a very

(40:52):
one-dimensional thing and they take everything at face value.
Yeah. And which can be?
Yeah. It can be unhealthy for I think
that's kind of why I've always started my scene.
Every scene that I film has always been.
It includes the warm up. It includes a little bit of the
aftercare because I want to showpeople that this is an actual
true what it what an actual playsession looks that it does

(41:14):
include warm up that because a lot of guys will just skip right
to the annihilation. And so there is warm up involved
in that. And then so I feel that plants a
seed in the viewer's mind sometimes that their sex is not
adequate enough that that it doesn't look like what they see
in porn. And so I've always kind of tried
to integrate before the warm up,the aftercare a little bit so
that people see true session from start to finish.

(41:34):
And so I don't know how to how. And maybe that's not necessarily
your aesthetic or, you know, noteverybody's aesthetic, but I
think it's important to show people to validate their sex
life through pornography is a good, is a, is a healthy, it's
not a bad thing. So.
I think it's a very gentle balance between like what's real
and what's fantasy. You know, it's about, you know,

(41:55):
I don't want anyone to watch my videos and think that seriously
that anyone who got involved, like did it against their will.
But I know that many people watch my videos fantasizing that
that is the case. So it's like it's this, it's
this balance. You know, I want to be able to
set the stage for people to be able to like play out their
fantasies. But I also want to be clear that
that's not what's happening. So it's, yeah, it's a very, it's

(42:18):
a very subtle dance that's going.
On It's a dance. It is a dance.
It's a tightrope. Yeah, it's a tightrope.
I mean, to be fair, I don't feelthat.
I don't anxious or worried abouthow I'm perceived really.
That's all I think. I think I'm not worried about
that. Yeah, I have this.
I have this stupid misconceptionabout people.
People think that I'm this elitist bitchy mega * and I'm

(42:42):
just I am so awkward in real life and so like not bad at all.
Meeting, it's just so, it's so funny when you meet these big
porn stars who then have these really quiet personalities.
Yeah, because we're exhibitionists and the
exhibitionism is part of, it's just a, you said earlier a
sliver of who we are as a personand.
Yeah, like you're getting, you're getting out your

(43:03):
exhibitionists desires, you're getting them out in the moment
that you are filming. And then when you when you maybe
meet that person that that's notexhibitionist moment, you know,
they're just like getting their life, buying groceries or
whatever. Yeah, exactly.
We're just like you. We're just, we're just like you.
Sounds so douchey when I'm just like, I'm just like you.
Yeah, no, but it's true, though.I mean, I've had, but then

(43:26):
there's a boundary that I've been out grocery shopping with
my grandmother in the past and people have come up, I love your
work. I'm like, my grandma's like at
work now. She knows everything.
But in the past, it was it was not necessarily the case.
What's your favorite scene you filmed?
It's really hard to pin down onebecause there are so like
there's so many that I love for different reasons, but somebody

(43:47):
that always comes to mind when someone asks for like any sort
of story or like, you know, you know, from from what I do is
basically anything I filmed withJoel someone.
Oh. OK, I love him.
Like literally anything I filmedwith him has been so much fun
because Joel, I think it may be in sort of like opposite to how
I am, he is very much who you think he is.

(44:08):
You know, like the person you see on screen.
Like that goofy motherfucker, like that is Joel.
Joel is a goofy motherfucker. He's very silly and fun, but he
like brings this kind of can do attitude that is like unmatched.
Like he once showed up to a scene with a suit that he bought
just to do the scene. And he came in like I thought I
could wear a suit and I thought the other person could wear this

(44:30):
like crazy chain I have. And he pulled out of his
suitcase. I have no idea how the fuck he
brought this, but it had a padlock in it that was like this
big. And then each chain was
literally like this big, this thick.
And so the other person wore that and we did this like wild
scene. It feels really cinematic.
Like we filmed it in a hotel andbehind there are these velvet
curtains. And I just kept thinking about
like to in my mind, I was like, it looks like the Billie Eilish

(44:51):
cover for like happier than ever.
Like, that's kind of what it looked like in my sick mind.
But anything with Joel. And whenever Joel comes to
Berlin, he always stays with me.So I get like the full Joel
experience, you know? He's always been so sweet to me.
I've known him for years and he's always been really, really
kind. Yeah.
He's the best. The last time he came here, he
was like, oh, I, I have this jumpsuit.
Don't you think it looks a bit like a prison outfit?

(45:14):
He's like, right, We're doing a scene and I have this, I have
some of this like reclaimed likefurniture.
It's like, it looks like it's from like a 1950s psychiatric
unit. It's like I have this chair.
He's like, I'm going to sit in this chair and then I have this
this lamp that a friend gave to us that's also like the same
style. It's like 1950s like hospital
lamp. And he's like, we're going to
put this in my face. So it looks like you're

(45:35):
interrogating me and you're going to wear black gloves.
And so he just comes with this whole idea and I'm like, sounds
great it. Sounds somebody somebody
switched the rolls on you. Yeah.
I mean, I'm always open for collaboration and thinking about
how we could, you know, we couldset up the scene, you know,
because what I'm doing fundamentally, like every single
time is exactly the same. So you want to like try and mix

(45:55):
it up and do some fun stuff. So this is a pretty important
question. How do you balance safety with
intensity? Yeah, I would say communication
is the most important thing, notonly communicating your own
boundaries, but asking others about theirs, especially if
you're a Dom. Because I think that there's
something about the Dom sub dynamic where a sub can
sometimes feel like they don't have permission to like speak
out of turn or some shit. So I think sometimes in these

(46:17):
situations for you just to sort of take the lead and be like and
ask them directly what it is that you know, where, where
their where their boundaries andlimits lie.
I think making that our responsibility is fine.
But you know, no matter what someone's limits are, things can
change in the moment. And I think it's really a matter
of like paying attention to the person who is listening to their
own body and giving you those signals.

(46:39):
That's a great answer. Yeah.
I think it's just about like theinitial communication and then
just being aware. Yeah, establishing.
Boundaries in the beginning, butthen being able to adjust to
them throughout. Exactly.
Being really flexible, you know,I tell everybody before we
start, I'm like, you know, this is going to get edited so we
don't have to use a safe word oranything.
You can just tell me directly that if you don't like something

(47:00):
or if they're in like a PQ, if they're in a bit of a
predicament, let's say like restraint wise and they can't
speak or whatever, then we will come up with a way for them to
communicate like tapping me or something like this.
That's cool. Yeah, so these, I mean, of
course, like when people ask me online about, oh, like, how do I
do this? How do I do that?
My comments around it are usually more about like who you

(47:22):
decide to do it with, like finding someone that you really,
really trust because things can go so wrong with this kind of
throat training. Like you can tear somebody's a
soft focus, you can obstruct their wind.
Well, you are obstructing their windpipe every time you go in.
Like lots of dangerous shit can happen, you know?
So it's about nourishing a relationship with someone that
you trust enough to do a risky activity.

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Yeah, interesting. And if you're a Dom, I would
always say. Considered that I'd never even
considered the damn potential damage to.
Yeah. And I would say also, if you're
a Dom who's doing it, put a dildo in your throat first just
so that you know what it feels like and the places that you're
hitting. And also go and look at like an
old timey diagram of like a cross section of like a throat

(48:02):
and like look at what's in there, you know, have a have an
understanding about what it is you're doing, you know.
Right. Yeah, That's great.
That's a great answer. And that's the same thing.
I mean, the same thing can be applied to fisting.
I mean, it's, you know, to, to get an understanding of what the
insides of somebody's insides look like.
Yeah, because like, you're not, you're not putting your fist
into like a Mary Poppins bag. And it's just like disappearing
into the abyss. Like I mean sometimes.

(48:23):
You are sometimes. You are.
It depends. It does depend.
If it's your axle, then yeah, just like another universe.
Exactly, I've been told that my whole is a portal to Narnia
before. Your whole is like interstellar,
like that's what's going on, yeah.
So funny. What do you?
What's your relationship to aftercare like?
I'm assuming you offer it or just reframe it in your own way.
What's your relationship? Imagine if I said here now like

(48:45):
no, I don't believe. In Yeah, I know, I know.
I'm reading the question. Maybe he's got.
Yeah, because you just, you know, No, no aftercare.
I leave them. It varies from person to person
always and everybody gets aftercare.
I personally think it's something that's like essential
to King is getting aftercare, communicating about it and
negotiating around it. I usually just ask people like

(49:06):
what they need or what their idea of aftercare is.
And of course, like I have my own limits and boundaries around
aftercare. Like if someone said they wanted
to have sex and like that's likethey wanted to fuck and like
that's their aftercare and I didn't want to do it, I wouldn't
do it, you know? So like I have my own stuff
going on, but in my case, like sometimes it's just a friendly
chat afterwards, sometimes it's going to lunch together,
sometimes it's showering together, sometimes it's

(49:26):
fucking, sometimes it's just cuddling.
It really, really varies. I need high 5 after six like a
like. Yeah, we did it.
I really do love when I have like because I connect with
people in so many different ways.
You know, like I'm filming, I'm filming once to three times a
week and I meet so many different types of people all
the time from all different cultures and backgrounds.
And because, as I said, most people that I film with aren't

(49:50):
in the industry, you know, like,I think actually the most people
I film with work in medicine. I've got a bunch of surgeons,
loads of nurses, you know, but it's really amazing when you
connect with someone, like on a comedic level.
And I felt like that's a really nice way, like when that part of
my personality can sort of like shine through in this scenario.
I get a lot of joy out of that. It's not essential for me, but
it's nice when it happens. Amazing.

(50:12):
Yeah, amazing. So where do you see Pervert
Media going next? I think actually this is a
really good time to mention that, you know, sort of in terms
of like, you know, in regards tosort of like the brand of
Pervert Media, I want to mentionTom.
So Tom is the other half of Pervert Media.
There's two of us and we made Pervert Media together and you
know a lot of the, you know, a lot of the kind of like guiding

(50:33):
around our brand identity and what things look like.
Tom is mostly responsible for that.
Like it's a product of conversation.
You're the. Face and then OK.
Yes. And so it's a it's a product of
the conversations that he and I have because the channel started
out as us doing it together. At that time we were dating and
we're not anymore, but we live, we live together.
We're not not together in any sort of shape or form.

(50:55):
We have our own bedrooms and allof that, but we work together
and he films every scene, he edits everything.
And so, you know, none of it's really possible like without
this collaborative effort. And for the, I think for like
the foreseeable future, like things are as they are, like
we're doing things as we are. I want to do this for as long as
I possibly can. I feel like at some point I'm
going to, I'm going to have to transition into like, I mean,

(51:16):
people have started calling me daddy, but I'm going to have to
really transition to like silverdaddy.
It will happen at some point, I'm sure.
I've started getting really grey.
So I think like that's going to play a big role.
And there are definitely things that I'm thinking about.
I'm working on like behind the scenes.
But like at the moment, I'm justsort of like, at the moment I'm
just sort of like trying to manage what I have, you know?
Like as we sort of, we touched on earlier, like it's so much

(51:40):
work that's involved and what Tom and I do, the work is so
different. He has to sit at a desk for 8
hours a day and do the editing and whatnot, and then has to do
the filming and whatnot. And me, it's like I'm doing all
the communication stuff and I'm in constant contact with people
all of the time, planning and scheduling and all of those
things. So at the moment I'm just trying

(52:00):
to find a, I'm like constantly renegotiating like how I manage
all of this and wanting to have a healthy social life and to be
able to do my hobbies and to read and do all these things
that I like to do, you know? But there are things behind the
scenes that we are working on and thinking about, but it's
just a matter of like how much more time we have to like,
execute things, you know? Or that's amazing and you're so
lucky to have someone to do it with you.

(52:23):
Because I literally couldn't, I could not do it without him and
I couldn't do it without being part of a team.
Because I think if I had to manage this entire thing by
myself, like it's just become, it's just become big.
It's just become, it's like, it's become like it's own
entity, you know? And yeah, no, I'm familiar and I
and I, I managed this alone. I don't have any.
Oh God, I used to do. It, I used to have a team, I

(52:45):
used to have a Webmaster that did all the behind the scenes
stuff on the website, which I trained myself how to do.
And then I used to have an advertising girl that did all my
ad work, which I then trained myself how to do.
And so I take I, I do most of this stuff alone.
I do all the editing and stuff alone, but it's what it is.
It gives me something to do during, you know, 'cause I, if
I'll film once a week as well, one, maybe twice, you know,

(53:05):
maybe I'll cram a bunch of filming into one week or
whatever, depending on how hornyI am.
And then I do most of, and then I paste it out over the course
of two episodes a week or whatever, 33 releases a week.
Thank you so much for taking thetime to do this with me again.
My pleasure. I wanted to thank our sponsor
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Again, I want to say thank you to Pervert Media and our sponsor
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So I'll see you guys soon. Have a good one.
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