July 4, 2025 • 38 mins
In this week’s episode of Brolapse, I sit down with New York-based fisting trainer and content creator FFireBoy for an unfiltered conversation about kink, community, and building a practice around sexual healing.
We talk about his journey from exploring toys during the pandemic to running a full-time fisting training business with over 50 clients, his views on consent, substance boundaries, and the real-life emotional breakthroughs that can happen when you let someone inside—literally and figuratively.
Danny (aka FFireBoy) opens up about:
His first time getting fisted via a post on AssPig.com
Why he treats training as a therapeutic practice, not just a kink
How he balances authenticity vs. performance in content creation
What it’s like working with trans, sober, and first-time clients
The moment a client broke down crying mid-session, and how that changed everything
We also talk about the rising visibility of fisting in the kink world—and why it might just be the new bareback.
This episode is equal parts sex, strategy, and soul. You don’t want to miss it.
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Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back to
another episode of Brolapse and I'm really excited today to have
today's guest on the show Fireboy from New York City.
I've known him for probably like2 years now.
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I think it, yeah. We met in like 2023 I think.
Yeah, end of 2023. Yeah, it was.
We filmed a really good video together that was on.
That was like my last, like major work trip that I took
before I bought my condo. And then like my travel budget
disappeared. It's like, yeah, so that was I,
I loved filming with you and, and I've been watching you on X
and doing, watching what you've been doing with your fishing
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training sessions and content creation and stuff like that.
So I kind of was, I reached out to you the other day and was
like, would you like to talk about some of that stuff?
And graciously you said yes, so.Yeah, yeah.
Thank you for having me. And I do remember that, that
time that we played so that. Was super fun.
Yeah, yeah. When you're back in New York or
if when I'm in Fort Lauderdale. Yes, that would be amazing.
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So really quickly before we get started, I wanted to give you
guys that are fans of the show that have watched maybe last
week's episode. I wanted to give a little update
about what happened with me withregarding my surgery.
I my surgery is postponed. Last week's episode was called
my whole didn't kill me. It was about how I was feeling
going into surgery and as I was on the I was just telling how
should I address you? How should I address you?
(01:27):
Danny. Danny OK, OK, so, so I was
telling Danny that I was on the operating room table.
I had the IV line in, they shaved my belly, they shaved my
pubes. I look like a dolphin gorilla
hybrid now. And so that was unfortunately
cancelled by my insurance company as I was getting wheeled
in the operating room because they're under contract
negotiations with the hospital that I was getting my surgery
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at. So that's postponed currently
and definitely until they get their negotiations under under
way. So I just wanted to kind of let
you guys know that that's what that's the resolution to the
potential surgery that I was or the surgery that I had planned.
And yeah, so now I'm stuck with the bag for a couple more
months. But as I was telling him, it's
not the end of the world for me.I'm totally fine with getting
fisted every day without having to clean my ass.
That part's really nice. So yeah.
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So I just want to give you guys an update and then we'll move on
to the questions and, and the the guests on the episodes.
So I guess the First things first, like what drew you into
fisting? How did you get started?
And like, what was your initial interests or how did you get
started in fisting? Yeah.
So my fisting story really started when I was finally
living by myself in New York City.
It was during the pandemic and Ijust started playing with toys.
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I didn't I hadn't really played with toys prior or anything like
of you know, of a decent size. So I started to explore butt
plugs. After a couple of months of
that, I really thought like, wouldn't a fist feel really
nice? So got onto I think it was ass
pig dot com back then that whereI just wanted to see who was out
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there to to see who I could playwith.
And within a couple of days I had a fist up my butt and the
rest is sort of history and beenfisting for about 6 years at
this point and I've been postingcontent for it for about like 4
years I think off with Fireboy. Super random.
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There wasn't much thought that went into it.
I needed something with you abstinent.
And I just kind of scrolled through a couple different names
on X and just, yeah, it landed on Fireboy for some reason.
That's cool, yeah. It works.
I mean, like it's cool, it's catchy.
I feel like a lot of people justthere's COVID fisting babies.
It's like we I was a COVID prolapse baby.
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It's like I had nothing to do with play with my prolapse the
whole time. So like it's saw like insane
growth during during COVID. Can you walk us through maybe
some of that first early fistingexperience, like what made it
memorable hence or formative your first time getting fisted?
Yeah. So first time was pretty
interesting, got fisted by somebody who had some experience
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under his belt, but I didn't know how to clean out that well
before. So it just it didn't last that
long. So I don't know if the first
session I had was super formative, but one that I think
of often is actually maybe he was probably like my third or
fourth guy that I played with here in New York.
(04:26):
It's like really hot silver fox daddy who had me over at his
place one evening and he had a fuck bench, I think from like
gym support. And we flipped a couple times.
And it was probably the last thing that he said to me before
I left. He said, like, something along
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the lines of like, you're going to be really popular here in New
York. And I didn't know what he really
meant by that. But yeah, I realized after a
couple of months that, like, I started to play with a lot more
guys. And maybe that was the statement
that really gave me the confidence to do what I'm doing
now. It was that first thing that
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said like the thing that he toldme was what am I saying?
You're going to be really popular.
Yeah. Was he talking about like the
size of your hands maybe? I think it was just overall like
play wise, like I think we both really enjoyed each other.
I fisted him, he fisted me, and I think overall he just meant
like. I remember having a great time
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with you. I mean, it was the chemistry was
great, the vibe was great, the energy was great.
Like the whole, the whole experience was super fun.
And I don't remember what hotel we were staying at, but it was
kind of like it was a tiny hotelroom.
I remember it was so it was actually that room was where I
filmed with I filmed with a couple guys on that trip.
I filled with fun days and that room was so cold.
I don't know. I don't know if you remember
this part, but it was like when I pushed my prolapse out, it
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actually steamed. I remember.
So I we played after that and you told me that your prolapse
was. It was so weird, like it pushed
out. There's like steam coming off of
it. I was like, this room is pretty
hot. So it's kind of, I know it's
good. It's hot.
Well, that's awesome. I mean, like, and he was
obviously on to something when he when he said that to you.
Yeah. Just look at you now.
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I like think about it. Yeah.
So what has changed for you since those early days of
fisting in terms of like your mindset or like the community,
like your involvement in the community and stuff like that?
Yeah, so my relationship with fisting and sex in general is
different now because it's work.And this is something I'd like
to talk to about people who maybe aren't familiar with sex
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work is that I love what I do, but it is work at the end of the
day. So they oftentimes have to
prioritize work, meaning clientsor filming more than I do just
play sessions because I've got bills to pay, I've got rent to
pay, I've got student loans to pay.
Yeah. So.
So my relationship with fisting has changed since then.
Then it was strictly for play, and now it's become work.
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No complaints here. I pretty much expected this when
I started my practice two years ago.
I knew that I would have to spend more time working than
just playing. But my relationship with fisting
now represents, like, something that sustains me.
So I'm like, grateful. I'm grateful for the community
who has, like, received me. I'm grateful for the clients who
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have trusted me to be able to provide them a safe experience.
And yeah, like, just grateful for the fact that fisting as
like, as a sexual act exists because it's like, it has
brought me so much pleasure, butit's also brought me like, a
sense of stability in my life, right?
And independence that I didn't have before.
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So. Yeah.
Probably 1 of a few people that I know that like in addition to
myself that can say that like, you know what I mean?
It's like. It's a really rare experience
that I know, I think many peopleunderstand.
I, I felt like you would get it because you clearly do this for
work as well. And I, I can assume that like
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you're, you're also as grateful for it because.
Yeah, I mean, like, I it's it's it's great.
It's it's a mix of gratitude andalso like sometimes like a
little bit of resentment, like alittle bit of resentment where I
love fisting so much. And I and I miss being able to
be part of the community as justmyself.
I miss being able to be go to fist fest.
I have to buy, you know, buy a ticket to fist fest, go to fist
(08:24):
fest and then still be hunger FF.
Like I wish I could go and just be myself, but no matter where I
go, I'm always going to be hunger FF.
And so it's like there's sometimes I get a little bit
resentful of that because I justwant to be like everybody else.
I want to enjoy everything like everybody else can.
And then like my circumstances are different now.
And so like I can't enjoy it like everybody else.
Like, and that's fine. I've come to terms with that.
I've made peace with it, but it's like when you look around
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me, I mean like this house was bought with my butt hole.
So it's like everything and everything you see around me.
It was bought with my butt hole.Not so bad.
It kind of bittersweet relationship with it just
because of the fact that I miss I was around when the community
started when it was really kind of first growing legs and then
to kind of help grow that. And then I'll feel a little bit
(09:07):
on the outside of it. It's a little bit weird, but I'm
also just incredibly grateful, just like you are so.
Yeah, I mean, shout out to you, really.
I like that you're, you're sort of living the dream that I hope
to obtain. That's impressive.
I've stretched my 15 minutes to 20 years, so literally 20 years.
(09:30):
I've been doing this for 18 years, since I've been I started
doing porn 18 years ago and so it's I've managed to stretch it
this far. That's awesome.
It's crazy, but thank you. So what inspired you to start
creating content around fisting?Like how did you decide to do
content? Yeah.
It was pretty personal at first.Like I said, I started like
posting some videos and pics on X when it was Twitter before and
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it was solely to just connect with community members to
honestly get laid more. I used X as some sort of like
fisting resume. Oh it is people.
And I would say maybe like a year after that is when I
explored the idea of launching ajust for fans account just to
see if I could like make some money while I was working in
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tech back then. So I didn't really take content
as seriously initially. It wasn't until I was laid off
for my tech job and I thought, OK, let's let's we have this
small thing that's happening at the moment.
There's a community, let's let'stry to explore.
Yeah, ramp it up more content. So yeah, that that's kind of the
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the history. So do you.
So is this your full time gig now?
Between content and fist training, yeah.
Amazing. Yeah, I, I do a couple
different, like random gigs out there just to supplement income.
But yeah, this is it pretty much.
I, I, I've gone all in. That's awesome.
I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back either.
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That's why I'm like, I'm like, what can I do to branch out to
make this last so much longer? So like, but in front of the
show, I'm like, I can only make,I can only be in front of the
camera and doing porn for so long before it makes me go
crazy. So I want to do something else
creative, something else both ofus.
So, and this is my way to reconnect with other other
content creators because it's a miss.
I mean, Fort Lauderdale, I don'tsee, you know, the New York guys
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or the European guys. And so this is a fun way to
reconnect with everybody so. Yeah.
How do you balance your performing being a performer on
screen with being authentic? Like is there with such an
intimate and visceral kind of content with it, this thing like
you find a struggle to remain kind of like authentic in your
performances or is it you ever feel performative?
No, I'm a little lazy when it comes to my content, I won't
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lie. Performing just adds extra work
that I'm not willing to put intoit.
I pretty much just want to like,showcase what I do as
authentically and genuinely as possible.
Because I see clients, I feel like if I were to perform more
in my videos, it would mislead them into thinking that like,
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our sessions would therefore be like that.
And it's just, it's not I'm, I'mgoing to be myself.
Yeah, it's not a healthy, I think.
I think the performative, the kind of porn that you make or
the kind of porn that is was I feel like popular for a hot 2nd.
And now it's kind of going back more towards performative stuff.
It always feels like for me watching on Twitter and X that
people are always trying to outdo each other one up each
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other. And then it becomes less about
the sex and more about the competition.
And yeah, with performative content, it's my mentality has
always been to showcase what a real fisting session looks like
from start to finish, including the warm up, including the I
need a break and a little bit ofthe aftercare.
That is really important to me so that people don't have this
false idea of what a fisting session should look like or have
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in their head that theirs is notvalid or good because it doesn't
look like what they saw in porn.And it sounds like you're doing
sort of the same thing, like youjust kind of being like real.
Totally agree with that sentiment.
I I dabbled a little bit in the performative stuff and on screen
it could look really hot. I I'm not going to deny that,
but it really doesn't. Like often times that sex really
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isn't that great. Super not fun.
It's not fun. They're not fun, and that feels
more like work that I'm not interested in.
So my content isn't like my primary source of income.
And I think it's due to the factthat I just don't put that much
effort as opposed to the effort that I put into my training.
But I view content for me as like a marketing tool.
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Obviously subscribe and and support me in that way, but it's
mostly just to showcase who I amand what I can do and in the
hopes that people will book timewith me.
That's awesome. That's great.
Well, I mean, like, I see your ads.
I see your advertisements on scrolling through X sometimes.
That's how I devote it. That's how I see them
periodically. So let's talk about your
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practice. So on your website, you describe
fisting training as a practice. What does that word mean to you
in the context In this context? Yeah, good question.
So there's fisting as like a sexual practice, but in this
particular context, I'm referring to the practice as
like sort of like a private practice.
I have a masters in clinical psychology.
I'm not licensed, so I can't necessarily provide therapy for
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people, but I've always had a vision of like what a practice
would look like for me. And I take what I do as like as
a practice, as something that where I see clients on a regular
basis, we work on goals. Those goals may not even just be
fisting goals. Maybe they're just like intimacy
goals or just allowing them to feel vulnerable and.
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It sounds therapeutic to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I, I try to approach it as some sort of like healing
experience for clients without the guarantee that like, you
know, it's going to like replaceactual therapy.
But I hope that clients can feelsafe and that they can get
something from having sessions with.
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Me, I know that after a good fizzing session, I mean I feel
better than I do after a good therapy session, the release of
endorphins and like all that stuff that feels amazing so.
Absolutely. That's really interesting.
I mean, because when you, it does sound, I mean with your
background, it makes sense to call it that.
And you, you're kind of approaching it in a way maybe
from a, from a, you know, with somebody with a background in,
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in psych psych so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And one other point to this actually is that so I used to
provide substance use counselingto queer and trans men in San
Francisco. Oh nice.
And I now have clients who have previously struggled with
substance use who come see me because they want to have
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something that they can explore fisting again now that they are
sober. And it's, it's sort of like a
way of retraining their brains to experience pleasure and
fisting. Yeah.
Without substances. So.
Do you run into that as an issuewith people that are like using
when they hire you? Does it ever been an issue?
Not anymore. So I on my website I have a
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pretty strict process for filtering out.
Sort of like folks who may not benefit from working with me and
also people who I don't necessarily, I don't think I can
support them. So I, I've had some people reach
out to me and try to book a timewith me, But generally they'll,
there will be some cues that letme know that they're looking to
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party and play. And so I have a strict no hard
drug use policy that's great formarijuana and proper use, and
that is it. Yeah, that was always my, my
hard line when I would, when I was escorting back in the day
when I was seeing clients, I always, I never partied with my
clients. Like I was like, I never, it's
like a hard line for me. I never wanted that to become
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something that was like acceptable in my brain.
Like that was like, because it'sall invites chaos into your
life. I was super sober back then and
I was not trying to invite that kind of level of chaotic,
chaotic energy into my life. I imagine especially if you're
trying to do a therapeutic singspractice type thing, that is
going to be the antithesis of that or it's the exact opposite
of what you're trying to do. Yeah.
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Yeah, good for you. Good for you.
Yeah, that's that's amazing. So what does a typical training
session look like with you? How does it differ from just
hooking up or filming? Just kind of run me through what
a what a training session is like.
Yeah. So generally with our first
sessions, they offer a complimentary 30 minutes that
really allows me to do what withclients just to get to know
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them, have a conversation with them, ask, see if they have any
questions for me, you know, ask them about their wants and
desires and goals and sort of how did they find out about this
thing. It also allows them some time to
touch up if they need to touch up and then to build some
intimacy before we actually hop into fisting.
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And during the session, I'll explain sort of like what cues
to look out for, ways to communicate with me.
If anything, it's painful, sharp, anything's uncomfortable.
Just kind of like letting them know that they can say things
while they're being fisted. Oh interesting that people are
so afraid to talk or they're so afraid to communicate when
something doesn't feel right andbut their body language says
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something usually. Usually their body language will
sit to somethings wrong. Absolutely, absolutely.
Sometimes people just they, theyneed the encouragement to be
able to speak up. I let them know that it's their
recession, so they get to sort of say what it is that they want
and what they don't want. And I just try to, I try my best
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to just provide them with a witha good experience, yeah.
It's it's, it's I always whenever I play with anybody for
the first time, I always ask them what kind of fisting do you
like? And you know what it is you a
depth person, a width person. But I'm assuming you probably
play with more new guys then or is that a fair assumption or is
you? Get, I would say about like 50%
of my clients are complete newbies and then the other 50
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have had some experience with fisting, but maybe that don't
have like a regular partner thatthey, that they play with.
So it's, it's sort of a mixed bag.
I've had people who are like really talented up to the elbow
and they're just like, you know what, you're available and
you're good. And I don't want to, I want to
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cut through all of the bullshit of like having to find somebody.
I I'm going to book you. I've hired a couple of escorts
in my life and always because I am so tired of looking for a
fisting top that wants to do what I want.
And I'm like, and I'll go through it and I'll just say I'm
tired of the fucking grinder andscruff bullshit and sifting
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through the game players that I'm just like, fuck it, get out.
Like I'm going to order in and get what I want.
And then they're going to go home and I'm going to be happy.
They're going to be happy and I'm going to my time back.
That's funny. I don't think that there's
anything wrong with paying for what you want to get what you.
Want absolutely. And you know, I, I will say
there, this is for those who area bit like anti sex worker who
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will say things along the lines of like, I would never book
someone to like fist me because I've gotten those my clients
know what they want. And this is what I appreciate
about them so much is that like they, they come to me because
they, they know exactly what they want and they're, they're
not afraid of asking for it and going and getting it.
So. Yeah, for those of you who might
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say like really cool things about people who book escorts,
just know that there are many people who book who book us and.
Hunger FF has hired an escort inthe past at this.
So like, I am not ashamed about saying that I was tired of
sifting through scruff for hoursand hours and hours looking for
somebody to come and piss me. Because yes, even I have a hard
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time finding people that piss mesometimes.
It was, yeah, I was just over itand I was like, fuck it, I'm
getting online and I'm going to find somebody that's going to do
exactly what I want, so fuck it,whatever.
So who tends to reach out for fist?
Training, yeah, good question. So majority of people who reach
out to me are assist gay men. The majority of my clients are
like between the ages of 30 to about 55.
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A My my age requirement is 27 plus.
But pretty much I've seen peoplefrom 27 up until 80 years old.
I've had trans clients, men and trans women and non binary folks
but yeah majority of of people who seek me out are just gay men
between. Why the 27 age requirement?
Yeah, I it's a good question. Sorry.
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Didn't mean to throw that one atyou.
No, no, it's a good one. And so when I actually get asked
often, especially from those whoare younger than 27, just kind
of Simply put, sometimes youngerpeople don't have the funds to
pay for sessions like mine. My sessions can be quite pricey.
They start at 250 an hour for incall and then they can go up to
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like five $600.00 an hour depending on location and other
needs. But so I, when I first launched,
I would say for the first year, I got a shit ton of messages
from people in their like early 20s, mid 20s wanting to get
trained but not being able to pay.
And so it's just like a lot of time being spent on getting to
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know them, chatting with them, and then ultimately they're
unable to actually book. Yeah.
Was was this your first foray into sex work?
Doing was the content creation And and and because I know I
know that when I first started doing sex work when I was like
teen 19, it was like you eventually you quickly learn how
to spot the time wasters. Yeah, yeah.
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This was my first time. So I that first year was super
formative. I created a process based off of
these experiences so that I could just kind of avoid time
wasters as much as possible. But even to this day, like
they're not completely avoidable.
Like I'll still get messages from a person who seems like
they're super serious and they've got funds and then just
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they don't. Always notice that the time
wasters always want pictures of my feet.
They always want pictures of your feet.
And I'm like, you don't. This is you're not going to hire
me. You just want to jerk off to
pictures of my feet. Yeah, that was always, always.
I was able to figure out the time wasters because they always
wanted pictures of my feet and Iwas so I was.
This is so annoying. There you go.
Yeah, there are always red flagsand it's a bit of an art to
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figure out. It is, and it depends.
Once you have a sixth sense for them, they're easy to spot.
Yeah, most of the time they're easy to spot.
So what are your red flags? I guess for for spotting them?
Yeah, So I I'll know right off the bat if someone has like read
my website, because on the Meet Me page, which I almost pretty
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consistently redirect people to like even if they message me on
DMS trying to get a hold of me for training, I'll tell them, go
onto my website, go onto the Meet Me page, read the
guidelines and then shoot me a message via one of the three
options that I have on it. So I can tell pretty quickly if
someone has actually done that. I have a bit of a wording
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template that they will use to be able to message me and let me
know that they pretty much read anyone who reaches out to me and
asks me questions that that are already answered.
Like in my FAQs. People who don't, who don't like
describe themselves, they just write like, hey, I want to be
trained usually. Like if you're not going to at
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least send me some more details about yourself, like your age
and where you're located and youknow how you found my
information that I'm, I'm going to assume that you're not
actually taking this seriously. So those are a couple red flags,
some green flags is like all of the opposite.
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Like anyone who pretty soon after inquiring, they like
actually send me payment that that is like a clear indication
that they're they're taking me seriously.
So yeah, quick payment. Yeah, the quick payment.
I know I used to. So my my old mentality was that
I would always require half upfront from first time clients.
Yeah, that was my thing. If you can't, if you don't trust
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me enough with my reputation allover the Internet, if you don't
trust me enough to front half ofthe money, would you want me to
drive all the way to fucking Miami?
Then no, I'm not coming. And so whatever.
So because I had I used to have,I got sent to a construction
site one time and I used to drive and I'm like, screw this.
I'd rather just take the good clients that like are stable
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than deal with the ones that arelike no no no no.
I'd rather just deal with the the ones that have their shit
together. Yeah, for sure.
The ones that are like, more likely to like become
consistent, even like the one offs who do end up paying you,
like they they won't, they oftentimes don't return.
Yeah. So I prioritize the people who
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who seem like they're going to come back more.
Do you have a lot of return costs?
Yeah, I would say so. Ioffer discounted packages.
So when I think of regular clients, I think of those who
take all my packages and see me for at least like like a handful
of sessions. So I have a couple of those.
I have a handful of people who like see me like on a weekly or
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biweekly basis. That's amazing.
And then maybe like the remaining half are either one
offs or those who come and see me like every couple of months.
Yeah, awesome. Like it's a mixed bag.
That's great. I mean, that's a guaranteed
business. Yeah, yeah.
That's like a. It continues to grow.
I I've had over 50 clients sincelaunching.
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OK. So in the span of two years, I
feel like that's. Amazing.
And if it's growing, it's growing.
I mean, and the interest in fisting is only getting bigger
every day. I think fisting in general as a
kink, as a, as a, as a social movement, it's like it's getting
bigger all the time and more andmore people are noticing it and
more and more people are gettinginto it.
It is the new bareback in my opinion.
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Yeah, it's all thanks to you. Not no, not all.
I mean like, thanks, thanks to. You.
I'll take some credit, but not all the credit.
There's, it's, it's pretty crazyhow like 1007, like 2007, 2018
is like birth of there was a whole generation of visitors
that came out of that era that those those couple years, yeah,
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God bless the pickup truck or Satan, but the dark Lord blesses
the, the the pickup truck. So how do you make space for
trans men, women and non barinary people in your work,
especially in a scene that can be so CIS male done?
Yeah. So I'm fortunate enough to live
in Bushwick. So Bushwick is like a super
queer trans community here in Brooklyn.
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Fortunately, I have queer trans people all around me.
I'll attend events that are geared towards the community and
just kind of connect with folks and pass out by business cards.
I've also filmed with a couple of trans men here in New York
who've been spreading the word that I'm a trainer.
And I try really my best to be inclusive for all clients,
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including like people of color. So I make it known that like,
although the majority of my clients are sis gay men, I won't
refuse anyone just because they don't identify as a sis gay men.
And I also offer discounted sessions for marginalized folks.
So cool if trans folks want to come see me they can hit me up
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and I will offer a discount. That's awesome because there's
I've been guilty of this and I'll be honest, like I think
you're doing the Lord's work because because I am not a
fisting trainer, I don't have the patience.
I'm just the personality type that I have.
Like I don't have the patience to start with somebody that's
like brand new to fisting and really work with them.
I get the it's going to make me sound so bad.
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I just I love extreme holes, right when I when I tap, I love
fisting holes. I don't have to argue with.
I call it don't have to argue with.
So it's and so I think you're doing an amazing thing because
so many people come to me. Can you train me?
Can you train me? Can you train me?
And I'm like, Hey, my hands are gigantic BI don't have the
patience and C you know, you're just not going to it's not going
to be a good, good experience for both of us.
I think it's really amazing thatyou're doing what I think so
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many people are looking for, because I think a lot of
training has to be done solo sometimes.
But then if but people, they want somebody there with them to
help them along with the process.
They want somebody there to kindof hold their hand along the,
along the, you know, the whole, the whole experience.
And so it's. I think kind of tended.
Pretty exactly. Part of it has to be done alone,
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but I think part of it can be done with somebody else.
And I think it's really great that there's somebody who's as
empathetic and understanding as you are to be there to do it
with them. Yeah, thank you so much.
I I really do appreciate that. That's sort of the reason why I
started this. That sentiment that you shared
is really common throughout the fisting community.
I remembered, I, I remembered getting messages from folks on
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Grinder and Scruff asking to train them.
And this was before I was doing this and I was like, requires a
lot of work. It's a lot of patience to to sit
with someone that you don't necessarily know and try to.
You don't know how much work they're doing at home alone by
themselves. You don't know if they're
putting any work in alone by themselves.
It's a gamble. But I guess, I guess maybe as
soon as you, as soon as you put a finger in their butt, you can
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kind of tell how much work they've been putting themselves.
So what kind of role does control play in your sessions?
Physical, emotional, psychological?
Or is there an element of control in the sessions?
Yeah, that's a good one. There are some.
To an extent, control does play a part.
So when I think of control, I think of controlling the
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environment. So I, I set my own boundaries as
a provider, things that I'm comfortable in providing and
things I'm not comfortable in providing and communicating that
with clients. And so if clients cross that
boundary, then we'll either havea conversation or I will
completely shut the session down.
Has that happened? It has happened once when a
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client showed up like really drunk.
Yeah, worse than. In my opinion, dealing with
drunks is worse than dealing with high people.
Yeah, yeah. It was a bit difficult to sort
of navigate in the moment, but once I realized that, like,
yeah, this isn't safe for him orme, like let's just cut this.
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I had to explain to him. And thankfully, even like in a
drunken state, he seemed to really understand.
He understood, gave him some water and his way.
Yeah. And then and then the other
aspect of control is when boundaries are set, I do kind of
let go of control in a way because I also want the session
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to feel as authentic and naturalas possible.
So I'll ask the client, like, what are your like hopes and
dreams? Like what do you want to do?
Right I've. Had I want to go to the armpit.
Get the armpit. Sure, I'm OK with you getting
into the armpit, or at least snipping my armpit.
I'm not going to get my whole I.I've had a client who we started
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off with training but like aboutlike halfway through the session
he just wants to cuddle. Oh nice.
And so they did have that luxury.
I noticed you offered the boyfriend experience on your
site too. As everything is earlier, I did
my homework. What is?
These are kind of the last two questions I have.
This has been really great. What's one thing you wish people
understood more about fisting? Maybe misconceptions or things?
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Something that you wish people understood better about it.
Generally, I wish people knew the human anatomy more because
you probably get this often. It's just like all of these like
anatomical questions. And I like, I'm no scientist.
I'm not going to like completelyshare every, I'll share what I
know with people, but I want people to like do a little bit
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of their own homework. I know from the outside, fisting
can seem like a super extreme act, but it requires a lot of
like tenderness and care and connection with the person to be
able to actually enjoy it. So I would like to mostly ask
people to like before they judgesomething that they see.
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Like take a second and ask yourself like, oh I wonder what
festers get out of this? Like I'm just genuinely curious
to know like what their experience is like rather than
visually seeing what we're doingand being disgusted by it.
Yeah, because we're not doing itbecause it hurts, right?
It's clearly there's some kind of pro, some kind of good thing
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coming out of this. So we wouldn't all be doing this
if it was as painful as people think it is.
Right, so. Yeah, Oh my God.
I had a really awkward conversation with my mother
because she listened to my Howard Stern interview back in
April. And she's just like, doesn't
that that has to hurt. I'm like, I can't, I'm having
this conversation with you, but no, it doesn't hurt.
And so the hearts are doing it wrong, and I'm done talking
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about this with you. So, yeah, it was awful.
That is awkward. Yeah, I just, I'm saying I'm in
the same same boat. I wish that people understood
that. I wish people use their brains
about fisting or any sort of sexual practice in general.
We're clearly doing it because there's some kind of like a
reward out of it. Yeah.
Whether that's like, you know the thing of it, any, any sexual
excuse, there's something, we'regetting something out of it.
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Any any kink, right? Like any kink I think has that
sort of valid answer. We're in like golden age of
fisting though, you know what I mean?
It used to be so taboo and it was like stuck in the like, you
know, it was at the end, at the end of your porn career, you do
fisting. At the end of, you know, you're
really old or whatever. You get into fisting.
Now they're 18 years old. There's fisting right off the
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bat. There's people making old crew,
you know, people making old sonas around, you know, they're
very young and stuff like that. It's a golden age fisting, I
think so, yeah. Yeah, we're witnessing it right
now. Yeah, it's really exciting.
So what's been the most powerfulor affirming moment for you as a
trainer? Like 1 experience that maybe
stood out as really kind of standout moment for you as far
as when your training practice is concerned?
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Yeah, I would say having my first client.
Oh, good. I had like launched in the
summer of 2023 and I really had no idea whether like people
would actually take me on. It was like a complete random
idea. And within my first month, I got
my first client and I remember fisting him or working him open
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and he started crying. And it's like a lot of stuff
started to come up for him. And so I held them and we had a
conversation. And afterwards, he messaged me
and said something like, I've never had an experience like
that before, Like I didn't know what to expect.
And it was so beautiful. And I genuinely appreciate what
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you just provided me. That was probably the defining
moment where I thought, OK, yeah, like I could do that.
Really beautiful. Yeah, it was.
It was really awesome. And yeah, so I still hold on to
that memory. That's really cool.
I mean, because you made a serious impact on his life.
That's really deep. Good for you dude.
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Thank you. Like I said, doing the Lord,
doing the Lord's work. Where can people find more about
you on the Internet? Plug your website, plug your
social media handles. You're just for fans.
Where can people find more aboutyou?
Yeah, so people can visit my website itsfireboywith2s.com
they can also find me on X and Blue Sky under Fireboy again,
2FS XXX. I'm now on Instagram at the
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period Fireboy and yeah, if anyone's ever in New York City,
I'm here. I'm based in Brooklyn, Ioffer in
call sessions, Ioffer alcohol sessions.
I also offer Fly Me to use. So if you happen to be based
somewhere else, I'm happy to come your way.
So I'll provide you a fisting experience.
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Amazing this is, I'm so happy todo this with you and talk so
candidly about sex work in general, because a lot of these
have been about just strictly content creation, not so much
about sex work. And so been a really, I think
enlightening conversation and really an important one and a
destigmatizing 1. So because you're so normal, so
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cool. And so I'm really grateful to
have you on. Thank you so much for your time.
I really appreciate it and I can't wait to see you again.
Yeah. Thank you.
I'm really glad to reconnect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would love to see you again inperson.
And again, thank you for doing everything that you're doing and
for this opportunity to just have a chat with you.
Yeah, no problem. And I feel I got to know you
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episode.
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back to
another episode of Brolapse and I'm really excited today to have
today's guest on the show Fireboy from New York City.
I've known him for probably like2 years now.
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I think it, yeah. We met in like 2023 I think.
Yeah, end of 2023. Yeah, it was.
We filmed a really good video together that was on.
That was like my last, like major work trip that I took
before I bought my condo. And then like my travel budget
disappeared. It's like, yeah, so that was I,
I loved filming with you and, and I've been watching you on X
and doing, watching what you've been doing with your fishing
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training sessions and content creation and stuff like that.
So I kind of was, I reached out to you the other day and was
like, would you like to talk about some of that stuff?
And graciously you said yes, so.Yeah, yeah.
Thank you for having me. And I do remember that, that
time that we played so that. Was super fun.
Yeah, yeah. When you're back in New York or
if when I'm in Fort Lauderdale. Yes, that would be amazing.
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So really quickly before we get started, I wanted to give you
guys that are fans of the show that have watched maybe last
week's episode. I wanted to give a little update
about what happened with me withregarding my surgery.
I my surgery is postponed. Last week's episode was called
my whole didn't kill me. It was about how I was feeling
going into surgery and as I was on the I was just telling how
should I address you? How should I address you?
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Danny. Danny OK, OK, so, so I was
telling Danny that I was on the operating room table.
I had the IV line in, they shaved my belly, they shaved my
pubes. I look like a dolphin gorilla
hybrid now. And so that was unfortunately
cancelled by my insurance company as I was getting wheeled
in the operating room because they're under contract
negotiations with the hospital that I was getting my surgery
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at. So that's postponed currently
and definitely until they get their negotiations under under
way. So I just wanted to kind of let
you guys know that that's what that's the resolution to the
potential surgery that I was or the surgery that I had planned.
And yeah, so now I'm stuck with the bag for a couple more
months. But as I was telling him, it's
not the end of the world for me.I'm totally fine with getting
fisted every day without having to clean my ass.
That part's really nice. So yeah.
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So I just want to give you guys an update and then we'll move on
to the questions and, and the the guests on the episodes.
So I guess the First things first, like what drew you into
fisting? How did you get started?
And like, what was your initial interests or how did you get
started in fisting? Yeah.
So my fisting story really started when I was finally
living by myself in New York City.
It was during the pandemic and Ijust started playing with toys.
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I didn't I hadn't really played with toys prior or anything like
of you know, of a decent size. So I started to explore butt
plugs. After a couple of months of
that, I really thought like, wouldn't a fist feel really
nice? So got onto I think it was ass
pig dot com back then that whereI just wanted to see who was out
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there to to see who I could playwith.
And within a couple of days I had a fist up my butt and the
rest is sort of history and beenfisting for about 6 years at
this point and I've been postingcontent for it for about like 4
years I think off with Fireboy. Super random.
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There wasn't much thought that went into it.
I needed something with you abstinent.
And I just kind of scrolled through a couple different names
on X and just, yeah, it landed on Fireboy for some reason.
That's cool, yeah. It works.
I mean, like it's cool, it's catchy.
I feel like a lot of people justthere's COVID fisting babies.
It's like we I was a COVID prolapse baby.
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It's like I had nothing to do with play with my prolapse the
whole time. So like it's saw like insane
growth during during COVID. Can you walk us through maybe
some of that first early fistingexperience, like what made it
memorable hence or formative your first time getting fisted?
Yeah. So first time was pretty
interesting, got fisted by somebody who had some experience
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under his belt, but I didn't know how to clean out that well
before. So it just it didn't last that
long. So I don't know if the first
session I had was super formative, but one that I think
of often is actually maybe he was probably like my third or
fourth guy that I played with here in New York.
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It's like really hot silver fox daddy who had me over at his
place one evening and he had a fuck bench, I think from like
gym support. And we flipped a couple times.
And it was probably the last thing that he said to me before
I left. He said, like, something along
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the lines of like, you're going to be really popular here in New
York. And I didn't know what he really
meant by that. But yeah, I realized after a
couple of months that, like, I started to play with a lot more
guys. And maybe that was the statement
that really gave me the confidence to do what I'm doing
now. It was that first thing that
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said like the thing that he toldme was what am I saying?
You're going to be really popular.
Yeah. Was he talking about like the
size of your hands maybe? I think it was just overall like
play wise, like I think we both really enjoyed each other.
I fisted him, he fisted me, and I think overall he just meant
like. I remember having a great time
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with you. I mean, it was the chemistry was
great, the vibe was great, the energy was great.
Like the whole, the whole experience was super fun.
And I don't remember what hotel we were staying at, but it was
kind of like it was a tiny hotelroom.
I remember it was so it was actually that room was where I
filmed with I filmed with a couple guys on that trip.
I filled with fun days and that room was so cold.
I don't know. I don't know if you remember
this part, but it was like when I pushed my prolapse out, it
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actually steamed. I remember.
So I we played after that and you told me that your prolapse
was. It was so weird, like it pushed
out. There's like steam coming off of
it. I was like, this room is pretty
hot. So it's kind of, I know it's
good. It's hot.
Well, that's awesome. I mean, like, and he was
obviously on to something when he when he said that to you.
Yeah. Just look at you now.
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I like think about it. Yeah.
So what has changed for you since those early days of
fisting in terms of like your mindset or like the community,
like your involvement in the community and stuff like that?
Yeah, so my relationship with fisting and sex in general is
different now because it's work.And this is something I'd like
to talk to about people who maybe aren't familiar with sex
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work is that I love what I do, but it is work at the end of the
day. So they oftentimes have to
prioritize work, meaning clientsor filming more than I do just
play sessions because I've got bills to pay, I've got rent to
pay, I've got student loans to pay.
Yeah. So.
So my relationship with fisting has changed since then.
Then it was strictly for play, and now it's become work.
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No complaints here. I pretty much expected this when
I started my practice two years ago.
I knew that I would have to spend more time working than
just playing. But my relationship with fisting
now represents, like, something that sustains me.
So I'm like, grateful. I'm grateful for the community
who has, like, received me. I'm grateful for the clients who
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have trusted me to be able to provide them a safe experience.
And yeah, like, just grateful for the fact that fisting as
like, as a sexual act exists because it's like, it has
brought me so much pleasure, butit's also brought me like, a
sense of stability in my life, right?
And independence that I didn't have before.
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So. Yeah.
Probably 1 of a few people that I know that like in addition to
myself that can say that like, you know what I mean?
It's like. It's a really rare experience
that I know, I think many peopleunderstand.
I, I felt like you would get it because you clearly do this for
work as well. And I, I can assume that like
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you're, you're also as grateful for it because.
Yeah, I mean, like, I it's it's it's great.
It's it's a mix of gratitude andalso like sometimes like a
little bit of resentment, like alittle bit of resentment where I
love fisting so much. And I and I miss being able to
be part of the community as justmyself.
I miss being able to be go to fist fest.
I have to buy, you know, buy a ticket to fist fest, go to fist
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fest and then still be hunger FF.
Like I wish I could go and just be myself, but no matter where I
go, I'm always going to be hunger FF.
And so it's like there's sometimes I get a little bit
resentful of that because I justwant to be like everybody else.
I want to enjoy everything like everybody else can.
And then like my circumstances are different now.
And so like I can't enjoy it like everybody else.
Like, and that's fine. I've come to terms with that.
I've made peace with it, but it's like when you look around
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me, I mean like this house was bought with my butt hole.
So it's like everything and everything you see around me.
It was bought with my butt hole.Not so bad.
It kind of bittersweet relationship with it just
because of the fact that I miss I was around when the community
started when it was really kind of first growing legs and then
to kind of help grow that. And then I'll feel a little bit
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on the outside of it. It's a little bit weird, but I'm
also just incredibly grateful, just like you are so.
Yeah, I mean, shout out to you, really.
I like that you're, you're sort of living the dream that I hope
to obtain. That's impressive.
I've stretched my 15 minutes to 20 years, so literally 20 years.
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I've been doing this for 18 years, since I've been I started
doing porn 18 years ago and so it's I've managed to stretch it
this far. That's awesome.
It's crazy, but thank you. So what inspired you to start
creating content around fisting?Like how did you decide to do
content? Yeah.
It was pretty personal at first.Like I said, I started like
posting some videos and pics on X when it was Twitter before and
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it was solely to just connect with community members to
honestly get laid more. I used X as some sort of like
fisting resume. Oh it is people.
And I would say maybe like a year after that is when I
explored the idea of launching ajust for fans account just to
see if I could like make some money while I was working in
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tech back then. So I didn't really take content
as seriously initially. It wasn't until I was laid off
for my tech job and I thought, OK, let's let's we have this
small thing that's happening at the moment.
There's a community, let's let'stry to explore.
Yeah, ramp it up more content. So yeah, that that's kind of the
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the history. So do you.
So is this your full time gig now?
Between content and fist training, yeah.
Amazing. Yeah, I, I do a couple
different, like random gigs out there just to supplement income.
But yeah, this is it pretty much.
I, I, I've gone all in. That's awesome.
I don't want to go back. I don't want to go back either.
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That's why I'm like, I'm like, what can I do to branch out to
make this last so much longer? So like, but in front of the
show, I'm like, I can only make,I can only be in front of the
camera and doing porn for so long before it makes me go
crazy. So I want to do something else
creative, something else both ofus.
So, and this is my way to reconnect with other other
content creators because it's a miss.
I mean, Fort Lauderdale, I don'tsee, you know, the New York guys
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or the European guys. And so this is a fun way to
reconnect with everybody so. Yeah.
How do you balance your performing being a performer on
screen with being authentic? Like is there with such an
intimate and visceral kind of content with it, this thing like
you find a struggle to remain kind of like authentic in your
performances or is it you ever feel performative?
No, I'm a little lazy when it comes to my content, I won't
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lie. Performing just adds extra work
that I'm not willing to put intoit.
I pretty much just want to like,showcase what I do as
authentically and genuinely as possible.
Because I see clients, I feel like if I were to perform more
in my videos, it would mislead them into thinking that like,
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our sessions would therefore be like that.
And it's just, it's not I'm, I'mgoing to be myself.
Yeah, it's not a healthy, I think.
I think the performative, the kind of porn that you make or
the kind of porn that is was I feel like popular for a hot 2nd.
And now it's kind of going back more towards performative stuff.
It always feels like for me watching on Twitter and X that
people are always trying to outdo each other one up each
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other. And then it becomes less about
the sex and more about the competition.
And yeah, with performative content, it's my mentality has
always been to showcase what a real fisting session looks like
from start to finish, including the warm up, including the I
need a break and a little bit ofthe aftercare.
That is really important to me so that people don't have this
false idea of what a fisting session should look like or have
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in their head that theirs is notvalid or good because it doesn't
look like what they saw in porn.And it sounds like you're doing
sort of the same thing, like youjust kind of being like real.
Totally agree with that sentiment.
I I dabbled a little bit in the performative stuff and on screen
it could look really hot. I I'm not going to deny that,
but it really doesn't. Like often times that sex really
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isn't that great. Super not fun.
It's not fun. They're not fun, and that feels
more like work that I'm not interested in.
So my content isn't like my primary source of income.
And I think it's due to the factthat I just don't put that much
effort as opposed to the effort that I put into my training.
But I view content for me as like a marketing tool.
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Obviously subscribe and and support me in that way, but it's
mostly just to showcase who I amand what I can do and in the
hopes that people will book timewith me.
That's awesome. That's great.
Well, I mean, like, I see your ads.
I see your advertisements on scrolling through X sometimes.
That's how I devote it. That's how I see them
periodically. So let's talk about your
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practice. So on your website, you describe
fisting training as a practice. What does that word mean to you
in the context In this context? Yeah, good question.
So there's fisting as like a sexual practice, but in this
particular context, I'm referring to the practice as
like sort of like a private practice.
I have a masters in clinical psychology.
I'm not licensed, so I can't necessarily provide therapy for
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people, but I've always had a vision of like what a practice
would look like for me. And I take what I do as like as
a practice, as something that where I see clients on a regular
basis, we work on goals. Those goals may not even just be
fisting goals. Maybe they're just like intimacy
goals or just allowing them to feel vulnerable and.
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It sounds therapeutic to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, I, I try to approach it as some sort of like healing
experience for clients without the guarantee that like, you
know, it's going to like replaceactual therapy.
But I hope that clients can feelsafe and that they can get
something from having sessions with.
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Me, I know that after a good fizzing session, I mean I feel
better than I do after a good therapy session, the release of
endorphins and like all that stuff that feels amazing so.
Absolutely. That's really interesting.
I mean, because when you, it does sound, I mean with your
background, it makes sense to call it that.
And you, you're kind of approaching it in a way maybe
from a, from a, you know, with somebody with a background in,
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in psych psych so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And one other point to this actually is that so I used to
provide substance use counselingto queer and trans men in San
Francisco. Oh nice.
And I now have clients who have previously struggled with
substance use who come see me because they want to have
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something that they can explore fisting again now that they are
sober. And it's, it's sort of like a
way of retraining their brains to experience pleasure and
fisting. Yeah.
Without substances. So.
Do you run into that as an issuewith people that are like using
when they hire you? Does it ever been an issue?
Not anymore. So I on my website I have a
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pretty strict process for filtering out.
Sort of like folks who may not benefit from working with me and
also people who I don't necessarily, I don't think I can
support them. So I, I've had some people reach
out to me and try to book a timewith me, But generally they'll,
there will be some cues that letme know that they're looking to
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party and play. And so I have a strict no hard
drug use policy that's great formarijuana and proper use, and
that is it. Yeah, that was always my, my
hard line when I would, when I was escorting back in the day
when I was seeing clients, I always, I never partied with my
clients. Like I was like, I never, it's
like a hard line for me. I never wanted that to become
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something that was like acceptable in my brain.
Like that was like, because it'sall invites chaos into your
life. I was super sober back then and
I was not trying to invite that kind of level of chaotic,
chaotic energy into my life. I imagine especially if you're
trying to do a therapeutic singspractice type thing, that is
going to be the antithesis of that or it's the exact opposite
of what you're trying to do. Yeah.
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Yeah, good for you. Good for you.
Yeah, that's that's amazing. So what does a typical training
session look like with you? How does it differ from just
hooking up or filming? Just kind of run me through what
a what a training session is like.
Yeah. So generally with our first
sessions, they offer a complimentary 30 minutes that
really allows me to do what withclients just to get to know
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them, have a conversation with them, ask, see if they have any
questions for me, you know, ask them about their wants and
desires and goals and sort of how did they find out about this
thing. It also allows them some time to
touch up if they need to touch up and then to build some
intimacy before we actually hop into fisting.
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And during the session, I'll explain sort of like what cues
to look out for, ways to communicate with me.
If anything, it's painful, sharp, anything's uncomfortable.
Just kind of like letting them know that they can say things
while they're being fisted. Oh interesting that people are
so afraid to talk or they're so afraid to communicate when
something doesn't feel right andbut their body language says
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something usually. Usually their body language will
sit to somethings wrong. Absolutely, absolutely.
Sometimes people just they, theyneed the encouragement to be
able to speak up. I let them know that it's their
recession, so they get to sort of say what it is that they want
and what they don't want. And I just try to, I try my best
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to just provide them with a witha good experience, yeah.
It's it's, it's I always whenever I play with anybody for
the first time, I always ask them what kind of fisting do you
like? And you know what it is you a
depth person, a width person. But I'm assuming you probably
play with more new guys then or is that a fair assumption or is
you? Get, I would say about like 50%
of my clients are complete newbies and then the other 50
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have had some experience with fisting, but maybe that don't
have like a regular partner thatthey, that they play with.
So it's, it's sort of a mixed bag.
I've had people who are like really talented up to the elbow
and they're just like, you know what, you're available and
you're good. And I don't want to, I want to
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cut through all of the bullshit of like having to find somebody.
I I'm going to book you. I've hired a couple of escorts
in my life and always because I am so tired of looking for a
fisting top that wants to do what I want.
And I'm like, and I'll go through it and I'll just say I'm
tired of the fucking grinder andscruff bullshit and sifting
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through the game players that I'm just like, fuck it, get out.
Like I'm going to order in and get what I want.
And then they're going to go home and I'm going to be happy.
They're going to be happy and I'm going to my time back.
That's funny. I don't think that there's
anything wrong with paying for what you want to get what you.
Want absolutely. And you know, I, I will say
there, this is for those who area bit like anti sex worker who
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will say things along the lines of like, I would never book
someone to like fist me because I've gotten those my clients
know what they want. And this is what I appreciate
about them so much is that like they, they come to me because
they, they know exactly what they want and they're, they're
not afraid of asking for it and going and getting it.
So. Yeah, for those of you who might
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say like really cool things about people who book escorts,
just know that there are many people who book who book us and.
Hunger FF has hired an escort inthe past at this.
So like, I am not ashamed about saying that I was tired of
sifting through scruff for hoursand hours and hours looking for
somebody to come and piss me. Because yes, even I have a hard
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time finding people that piss mesometimes.
It was, yeah, I was just over itand I was like, fuck it, I'm
getting online and I'm going to find somebody that's going to do
exactly what I want, so fuck it,whatever.
So who tends to reach out for fist?
Training, yeah, good question. So majority of people who reach
out to me are assist gay men. The majority of my clients are
like between the ages of 30 to about 55.
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A My my age requirement is 27 plus.
But pretty much I've seen peoplefrom 27 up until 80 years old.
I've had trans clients, men and trans women and non binary folks
but yeah majority of of people who seek me out are just gay men
between. Why the 27 age requirement?
Yeah, I it's a good question. Sorry.
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Didn't mean to throw that one atyou.
No, no, it's a good one. And so when I actually get asked
often, especially from those whoare younger than 27, just kind
of Simply put, sometimes youngerpeople don't have the funds to
pay for sessions like mine. My sessions can be quite pricey.
They start at 250 an hour for incall and then they can go up to
(21:58):
like five $600.00 an hour depending on location and other
needs. But so I, when I first launched,
I would say for the first year, I got a shit ton of messages
from people in their like early 20s, mid 20s wanting to get
trained but not being able to pay.
And so it's just like a lot of time being spent on getting to
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know them, chatting with them, and then ultimately they're
unable to actually book. Yeah.
Was was this your first foray into sex work?
Doing was the content creation And and and because I know I
know that when I first started doing sex work when I was like
teen 19, it was like you eventually you quickly learn how
to spot the time wasters. Yeah, yeah.
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This was my first time. So I that first year was super
formative. I created a process based off of
these experiences so that I could just kind of avoid time
wasters as much as possible. But even to this day, like
they're not completely avoidable.
Like I'll still get messages from a person who seems like
they're super serious and they've got funds and then just
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they don't. Always notice that the time
wasters always want pictures of my feet.
They always want pictures of your feet.
And I'm like, you don't. This is you're not going to hire
me. You just want to jerk off to
pictures of my feet. Yeah, that was always, always.
I was able to figure out the time wasters because they always
wanted pictures of my feet and Iwas so I was.
This is so annoying. There you go.
Yeah, there are always red flagsand it's a bit of an art to
(23:25):
figure out. It is, and it depends.
Once you have a sixth sense for them, they're easy to spot.
Yeah, most of the time they're easy to spot.
So what are your red flags? I guess for for spotting them?
Yeah, So I I'll know right off the bat if someone has like read
my website, because on the Meet Me page, which I almost pretty
(23:48):
consistently redirect people to like even if they message me on
DMS trying to get a hold of me for training, I'll tell them, go
onto my website, go onto the Meet Me page, read the
guidelines and then shoot me a message via one of the three
options that I have on it. So I can tell pretty quickly if
someone has actually done that. I have a bit of a wording
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template that they will use to be able to message me and let me
know that they pretty much read anyone who reaches out to me and
asks me questions that that are already answered.
Like in my FAQs. People who don't, who don't like
describe themselves, they just write like, hey, I want to be
trained usually. Like if you're not going to at
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least send me some more details about yourself, like your age
and where you're located and youknow how you found my
information that I'm, I'm going to assume that you're not
actually taking this seriously. So those are a couple red flags,
some green flags is like all of the opposite.
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Like anyone who pretty soon after inquiring, they like
actually send me payment that that is like a clear indication
that they're they're taking me seriously.
So yeah, quick payment. Yeah, the quick payment.
I know I used to. So my my old mentality was that
I would always require half upfront from first time clients.
Yeah, that was my thing. If you can't, if you don't trust
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me enough with my reputation allover the Internet, if you don't
trust me enough to front half ofthe money, would you want me to
drive all the way to fucking Miami?
Then no, I'm not coming. And so whatever.
So because I had I used to have,I got sent to a construction
site one time and I used to drive and I'm like, screw this.
I'd rather just take the good clients that like are stable
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than deal with the ones that arelike no no no no.
I'd rather just deal with the the ones that have their shit
together. Yeah, for sure.
The ones that are like, more likely to like become
consistent, even like the one offs who do end up paying you,
like they they won't, they oftentimes don't return.
Yeah. So I prioritize the people who
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who seem like they're going to come back more.
Do you have a lot of return costs?
Yeah, I would say so. Ioffer discounted packages.
So when I think of regular clients, I think of those who
take all my packages and see me for at least like like a handful
of sessions. So I have a couple of those.
I have a handful of people who like see me like on a weekly or
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biweekly basis. That's amazing.
And then maybe like the remaining half are either one
offs or those who come and see me like every couple of months.
Yeah, awesome. Like it's a mixed bag.
That's great. I mean, that's a guaranteed
business. Yeah, yeah.
That's like a. It continues to grow.
I I've had over 50 clients sincelaunching.
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OK. So in the span of two years, I
feel like that's. Amazing.
And if it's growing, it's growing.
I mean, and the interest in fisting is only getting bigger
every day. I think fisting in general as a
kink, as a, as a, as a social movement, it's like it's getting
bigger all the time and more andmore people are noticing it and
more and more people are gettinginto it.
It is the new bareback in my opinion.
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Yeah, it's all thanks to you. Not no, not all.
I mean like, thanks, thanks to. You.
I'll take some credit, but not all the credit.
There's, it's, it's pretty crazyhow like 1007, like 2007, 2018
is like birth of there was a whole generation of visitors
that came out of that era that those those couple years, yeah,
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God bless the pickup truck or Satan, but the dark Lord blesses
the, the the pickup truck. So how do you make space for
trans men, women and non barinary people in your work,
especially in a scene that can be so CIS male done?
Yeah. So I'm fortunate enough to live
in Bushwick. So Bushwick is like a super
queer trans community here in Brooklyn.
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Fortunately, I have queer trans people all around me.
I'll attend events that are geared towards the community and
just kind of connect with folks and pass out by business cards.
I've also filmed with a couple of trans men here in New York
who've been spreading the word that I'm a trainer.
And I try really my best to be inclusive for all clients,
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including like people of color. So I make it known that like,
although the majority of my clients are sis gay men, I won't
refuse anyone just because they don't identify as a sis gay men.
And I also offer discounted sessions for marginalized folks.
So cool if trans folks want to come see me they can hit me up
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and I will offer a discount. That's awesome because there's
I've been guilty of this and I'll be honest, like I think
you're doing the Lord's work because because I am not a
fisting trainer, I don't have the patience.
I'm just the personality type that I have.
Like I don't have the patience to start with somebody that's
like brand new to fisting and really work with them.
I get the it's going to make me sound so bad.
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I just I love extreme holes, right when I when I tap, I love
fisting holes. I don't have to argue with.
I call it don't have to argue with.
So it's and so I think you're doing an amazing thing because
so many people come to me. Can you train me?
Can you train me? Can you train me?
And I'm like, Hey, my hands are gigantic BI don't have the
patience and C you know, you're just not going to it's not going
to be a good, good experience for both of us.
I think it's really amazing thatyou're doing what I think so
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many people are looking for, because I think a lot of
training has to be done solo sometimes.
But then if but people, they want somebody there with them to
help them along with the process.
They want somebody there to kindof hold their hand along the,
along the, you know, the whole, the whole experience.
And so it's. I think kind of tended.
Pretty exactly. Part of it has to be done alone,
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but I think part of it can be done with somebody else.
And I think it's really great that there's somebody who's as
empathetic and understanding as you are to be there to do it
with them. Yeah, thank you so much.
I I really do appreciate that. That's sort of the reason why I
started this. That sentiment that you shared
is really common throughout the fisting community.
I remembered, I, I remembered getting messages from folks on
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Grinder and Scruff asking to train them.
And this was before I was doing this and I was like, requires a
lot of work. It's a lot of patience to to sit
with someone that you don't necessarily know and try to.
You don't know how much work they're doing at home alone by
themselves. You don't know if they're
putting any work in alone by themselves.
It's a gamble. But I guess, I guess maybe as
soon as you, as soon as you put a finger in their butt, you can
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kind of tell how much work they've been putting themselves.
So what kind of role does control play in your sessions?
Physical, emotional, psychological?
Or is there an element of control in the sessions?
Yeah, that's a good one. There are some.
To an extent, control does play a part.
So when I think of control, I think of controlling the
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environment. So I, I set my own boundaries as
a provider, things that I'm comfortable in providing and
things I'm not comfortable in providing and communicating that
with clients. And so if clients cross that
boundary, then we'll either havea conversation or I will
completely shut the session down.
Has that happened? It has happened once when a
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client showed up like really drunk.
Yeah, worse than. In my opinion, dealing with
drunks is worse than dealing with high people.
Yeah, yeah. It was a bit difficult to sort
of navigate in the moment, but once I realized that, like,
yeah, this isn't safe for him orme, like let's just cut this.
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I had to explain to him. And thankfully, even like in a
drunken state, he seemed to really understand.
He understood, gave him some water and his way.
Yeah. And then and then the other
aspect of control is when boundaries are set, I do kind of
let go of control in a way because I also want the session
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to feel as authentic and naturalas possible.
So I'll ask the client, like, what are your like hopes and
dreams? Like what do you want to do?
Right I've. Had I want to go to the armpit.
Get the armpit. Sure, I'm OK with you getting
into the armpit, or at least snipping my armpit.
I'm not going to get my whole I.I've had a client who we started
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off with training but like aboutlike halfway through the session
he just wants to cuddle. Oh nice.
And so they did have that luxury.
I noticed you offered the boyfriend experience on your
site too. As everything is earlier, I did
my homework. What is?
These are kind of the last two questions I have.
This has been really great. What's one thing you wish people
understood more about fisting? Maybe misconceptions or things?
(32:28):
Something that you wish people understood better about it.
Generally, I wish people knew the human anatomy more because
you probably get this often. It's just like all of these like
anatomical questions. And I like, I'm no scientist.
I'm not going to like completelyshare every, I'll share what I
know with people, but I want people to like do a little bit
(32:50):
of their own homework. I know from the outside, fisting
can seem like a super extreme act, but it requires a lot of
like tenderness and care and connection with the person to be
able to actually enjoy it. So I would like to mostly ask
people to like before they judgesomething that they see.
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Like take a second and ask yourself like, oh I wonder what
festers get out of this? Like I'm just genuinely curious
to know like what their experience is like rather than
visually seeing what we're doingand being disgusted by it.
Yeah, because we're not doing itbecause it hurts, right?
It's clearly there's some kind of pro, some kind of good thing
(33:31):
coming out of this. So we wouldn't all be doing this
if it was as painful as people think it is.
Right, so. Yeah, Oh my God.
I had a really awkward conversation with my mother
because she listened to my Howard Stern interview back in
April. And she's just like, doesn't
that that has to hurt. I'm like, I can't, I'm having
this conversation with you, but no, it doesn't hurt.
And so the hearts are doing it wrong, and I'm done talking
(33:52):
about this with you. So, yeah, it was awful.
That is awkward. Yeah, I just, I'm saying I'm in
the same same boat. I wish that people understood
that. I wish people use their brains
about fisting or any sort of sexual practice in general.
We're clearly doing it because there's some kind of like a
reward out of it. Yeah.
Whether that's like, you know the thing of it, any, any sexual
excuse, there's something, we'regetting something out of it.
(34:13):
Any any kink, right? Like any kink I think has that
sort of valid answer. We're in like golden age of
fisting though, you know what I mean?
It used to be so taboo and it was like stuck in the like, you
know, it was at the end, at the end of your porn career, you do
fisting. At the end of, you know, you're
really old or whatever. You get into fisting.
Now they're 18 years old. There's fisting right off the
(34:34):
bat. There's people making old crew,
you know, people making old sonas around, you know, they're
very young and stuff like that. It's a golden age fisting, I
think so, yeah. Yeah, we're witnessing it right
now. Yeah, it's really exciting.
So what's been the most powerfulor affirming moment for you as a
trainer? Like 1 experience that maybe
stood out as really kind of standout moment for you as far
as when your training practice is concerned?
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Yeah, I would say having my first client.
Oh, good. I had like launched in the
summer of 2023 and I really had no idea whether like people
would actually take me on. It was like a complete random
idea. And within my first month, I got
my first client and I remember fisting him or working him open
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and he started crying. And it's like a lot of stuff
started to come up for him. And so I held them and we had a
conversation. And afterwards, he messaged me
and said something like, I've never had an experience like
that before, Like I didn't know what to expect.
And it was so beautiful. And I genuinely appreciate what
(35:40):
you just provided me. That was probably the defining
moment where I thought, OK, yeah, like I could do that.
Really beautiful. Yeah, it was.
It was really awesome. And yeah, so I still hold on to
that memory. That's really cool.
I mean, because you made a serious impact on his life.
That's really deep. Good for you dude.
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Thank you. Like I said, doing the Lord,
doing the Lord's work. Where can people find more about
you on the Internet? Plug your website, plug your
social media handles. You're just for fans.
Where can people find more aboutyou?
Yeah, so people can visit my website itsfireboywith2s.com
they can also find me on X and Blue Sky under Fireboy again,
2FS XXX. I'm now on Instagram at the
(36:22):
period Fireboy and yeah, if anyone's ever in New York City,
I'm here. I'm based in Brooklyn, Ioffer in
call sessions, Ioffer alcohol sessions.
I also offer Fly Me to use. So if you happen to be based
somewhere else, I'm happy to come your way.
So I'll provide you a fisting experience.
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Amazing this is, I'm so happy todo this with you and talk so
candidly about sex work in general, because a lot of these
have been about just strictly content creation, not so much
about sex work. And so been a really, I think
enlightening conversation and really an important one and a
destigmatizing 1. So because you're so normal, so
(37:03):
cool. And so I'm really grateful to
have you on. Thank you so much for your time.
I really appreciate it and I can't wait to see you again.
Yeah. Thank you.
I'm really glad to reconnect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I would love to see you again inperson.
And again, thank you for doing everything that you're doing and
for this opportunity to just have a chat with you.
Yeah, no problem. And I feel I got to know you
(37:23):
better because we all know you alittle.
So you guys, if you guys are enjoying the show, we are on
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