August 1, 2025 • 52 mins
This week on Brolapse, I’m joined by the electrifying Lena Vesper—a trans cam queen, fetish performer, and self-described “hole mommy” who’s flipping the script on what femme dominance looks like in the world of fisting, fetish, and camming.
We talk about:
• How trans femmes are navigating (and reshaping) fetish spaces
• Camming as a tool of empowerment and boundary-setting
• The reality of owning your hole as your business
• Raunch, gooning, piss, power dynamics, and the thrill of “gross girl” aesthetics
• Her thoughts on raceplay, porn algorithms, and how clout pressures creators
• The myths of inclusion in leather and fisting spaces—and what real access looks like
• Acrylic nails, shoulder-deep dreams, and the best fuck machines in the game
💬 “You don’t have to ask our pronouns. Just let us in. Give us the space.”
Whether you’re a seasoned kinkster or just fisting-curious, this one’s raw, smart, unfiltered, and absolutely unforgettable.
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(00:00):
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back to
another episode of Brolapse. This is episode 46 and we're
here with Lena Vesper today, somebody I'm really excited
about having on the show so thatI can kind of myself learn a
(00:21):
little bit more about the trans experience because I am assist
male and I don't really know a whole lot about the the trans
experience. So I'm really curious about
hearing about her experience in the fetish community, the
fisting community and the adult content creation community.
So I just like go ahead and introduce Lena Besper.
How's it going? How are you?
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I'm doing good, good. I'm glad you're here.
So the first question I have foryou is you describe yourself as
a big breasted goon queen with amagic pussy.
Yeah, I mean the robust words for the most part.
I am a goon queen for sure. I mean like I love porn so much.
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I think it's such a beautiful thing.
Big breasted because I January Ijust got 700 CCS.
I'm assuming that's a lot. Actually right in your town, by
the way. Oh, really?
Oh, I probably. Yeah, I was in Fort Lauderdale.
OK. Yeah, dude, it's so gay there.
It's super gay. How gay?
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It's, it's literally I saw more gay people than New York.
It's gay men. Like a mix, but like Fort
Lauderdale, I was like, wow, this is the gayest.
Place, yeah, it's like, it's like the East Coast's Palm
Springs, but it's like Palm Springs and Milton Manors.
It's. But we also live in a bubble
here. So it's, you know, we don't
really, I don't interact with very many straight people very
often, period. So it's, it's, it's, it's a
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little jarring when I do end up having to interact with straight
people. I'm like, but how did you craft
that persona? And what does it mean to you
beyond just branding? Well, I think the the like the
queen aspect that are like, I mean, I used to also, and I
still sort of go by the pseudonym was saying like the
the my like Northeastern dyke leather dyke world is like ho
mommy. OK.
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And I think that kind of spurs from the aspect of my role as
somebody in play of somebody that like I'm not very
submissive. I mean I can be at times, but
when we're doing whole stuff, I'm kind of in charge and I kind
of relate to a lot of fisters that way.
But I think that would. Be in charge?
(02:27):
What was that? The one that's being the whole
played with should always be in charge.
Yeah, I think more so in like the the DS dynamic in, in the
way of like and also just the headspace you can be in.
Obviously there's, you know, there's, there's boundaries put
in place and you're with proper players and understand you can
engage in those those headspaces.
But for me, I've just never really been there.
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I've gotten there like a few times, but it's usually just not
even about the first thing. It's usually about something
really gross because I'm really fucked up.
I love gross sex. So I always, I don't know if you
saw my tweet the other day, but I said I'm like gross boy and I
like gross boy things. Yeah, no, I'm 100% gross, girl.
I mean, if you watch my streams,I am early in a pool of piss at
the end of my I was a squirt. It's squirt.
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But yeah, I think like the number one thing that put me
into like the one time, like I really got into a crazy like
headspace and subspace was this top key.
So like I was getting fucked up.I had been beaten up.
I was like howling and just all these things.
And then I knew I was like cleaned out and everything.
But he took like all of the X ladies, like, like it was just
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covered in his and he just like wiped it all over my face.
And I was so disgusted that I like, and then just like, I just
like let go. And then I started crying.
You know, I I cry a lot when I'mlike in it like what, you know,
you know, I'm doing good when I cry.
Yeah. Was it just because it was such
an intense like that was such anlike an out of the norm
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experience for you like something that you hadn't?
OK. Yeah, it was like a boundary
push, but like in a good way in that, like, you know, it wasn't.
I had no red flags or anything as somebody I've played with
before. It's just your own body stuff,
it's not that. Like I want to get like, yeah,
I'm literally, I want to get spit on, pissed on, like.
Yeah. Yeah, I can.
Just like every I'm really gross.
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I like, I am like 3-3 degrees away from Scout in the way that
like, I really love watching beautiful women do absolutely
disgusting things. Yeah, I think.
And like, you know, it's just that acts in itself
intellectual, intellectually forme.
It just like turns me on more than anything.
Yeah, and you know what's funny is that scat I feel is the new
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fisting. Fisting is the new bareback scat
is the new fisting. It's crazy because there's all
these big name porn stars that have dark fans and and, and and
scat book. It's crazy in scat book.
Yeah, it's it's wild. I haven't crossed that threshold
yet. But I mean, I was chatting with
one of my previous guests who has a page and he's like, we're
always like there's money to be made there.
And I'm. Like Oh my God I'm thinking
about recording my like clean outs like every time I do it.
(04:57):
It's just like. Yeah, and just like, I mean, you
know, for a lot of my, the content that I they put on my
pay walls and stuff, I'd say about 70% of it is just
recordings of my streams. It's just like there's things
that like I know it's just the, the record Button's there.
So all I have to do is just liketrim it down to my favorite
parts or whatever. And you know, you could totally
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do that for clean outs and I don't have to be into it, but.
They don't. Somebody's going to pay for it.
There's the market, there's the mark is ever for everything.
So what drew you to camming as aplatform and how has it
empowered you creatively or sexually in ways that studio
porn or in person work might nothave?
What do you get out of camming that you think separates it from
studio work or filming with other people?
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Well, I think the way that I Camis quite different from a lot of
people in the way that like I don't really do request like
maybe like a little bit I'll flush my tits and like, you
know, on your name or whatever or like, but I'm on a fuck
machine and I do it for two hours and I have a huge Dick in
me. By huge, I mean it's like like
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the manageable. It's the the large seahorse from
from Hanky's nice toy ever made.Honestly, the ridges are 8. 110.
The ridges are crazy. No, yeah, and it but like it
holds Lube perfectly in it, so Ibarely have to ever like relube
it. I'll nerd out forever, like I
I'm there to get fucked, like and I'm in charge.
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I am in charge of the gooners that are that are like I'm
commanding them to keep this fuck machine going because this
is the only way mom, you're going to ever make me satisfied
in that kind of way. So it's like I'm a little bit of
humiliation. It could be cooking.
I can also do like other things outside of that.
But at the end of the day, like I've gotten pretty popular
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pretty fast over like the last like I don't know, like 3-4
months I've been. Congratulations, you've only
been doing, you've only been counting for three or four
months. Yeah, it's mostly just been
like, like content creation. Like I like to do a good job
when, like when I do something, it's got to look like I've been
doing it for a while. You know I'm a big faggot to
make it kind of girl, but like you.
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Know you should have seen the beginning of this podcast was
such a mess. I had no idea what I was doing
the first few episodes. I was like bringing it and I had
no clue how to do audio audio onthe first few episodes was I
taught myself everything about the show.
So I I was really winging and now I feel it's kind of got a
rhythm going and everything and I've got most of the bits and
pieces nailed down. But it is good to show up doing
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what you're doing. For sure, yeah.
It's like putting yourself in a good amount of credit card debt
and then just getting this nice equipment that'll just make
things look nice and then figuring.
Out Oh my God, I've re I've upgraded my equipment twice in
my career and the second time I upgraded my equipment it was
like wow, we're going balls to the wall.
I'm getting all of these all this you know I got 3 new I
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phones and it just went crazy. It's people don't realize that
they don't realize how much money goes involved into
content. Oh my.
God, yeah. How how much to make a good
piece of content Like what Even setting up this podcast, the
camera, the microphone, the the receiver box thing like it's
people have no idea what goes into creating content on the
Internet today. I'll keep talking about that,
the whole camming thing. I think the thing that also
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draws me to camming is that like, you know, like I am in the
best way to show off what I can do.
It's someone else in a way of like, you know, like people can
get control links or they're like interacting with me in the
way that I know. I'm also protecting myself in
the best way possible because I feel like there's a big issue
right now with all these whole Queens and you know, I was one
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of them that just like wanted tojust keep on getting bigger and
bigger. Like you look at my toy
collection, I'd say about like 40% of it are toys that like, I
don't even want to play with anymore because they're just
like, too big. Yeah.
But the other thing is, is that like having other performers and
things like that is that like I barely trust anybody with my
whole these days because it's just, it's just hard to find
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people that can actually really do it, you know, and that are
going to be tested and all thosethings.
So amazing that you're bringing that up because my best friend
is he's here in the other room. And we were just talking about
this before the episode started about how difficult it is to
find people that really, truly know what they're doing and who
actually have the experience that they claim that they have,
who know how to read your body language, who know how to take
care of you in a way. Because I mean, I find myself
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meeting new people and when I meet them, it's I'm disappointed
because they're not they they don't read my body, my body
language. And I just recently had an
injury. So the fact that I can still
play is a miracle and itself. I don't want to test the limits.
I just just want to be comfortable fisted, like and so
trust. Trust is such a huge part of
fisting and ask play in general.Yeah, especially when it's your
money maker, like like I would go to sex parties now and I
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barely get fucked because of theaspect of like I I can't afford
it. The risk you mean?
Yeah, just the, the risk, you know, it's my, my income.
I I have like a part time day job but like besides that like
my whole isn't my hole is my entire fucking income for the
most part. And that's, you know, what's
(10:01):
wild is that I, when I did the episode about my injury, I got
ripped on by this Trump podcast,picked it up and made fun of me
relentlessly about how pathetic I was.
And for, for being so distraughtabout losing my hole.
Imagine Ariana Grande losing hervoice.
Everybody would feel so sorry for her and be so sympathetic to
to her. I lose my butt hole and I've got
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my butt of a joke. Literally, literally.
So it was, it was crazy. So yeah, people don't realize
how we don't realize. I think a lot of content
creators don't realize how important it is to take care of
their own bodies and. How serious what we're doing is
and how we can make it look so easy.
But the amount of training and thought and like understanding
of anatomy that goes into those things.
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And like, you know, and even when I started like, like now I
feel like Hanky's toys has like a really great, you know, when
you buy a toy, they're like, youneed to do all of this here.
You're going to be playing with this shit.
But when I first like did it, they're just like, just like
here, here's this big fucking toy, you know, and luckily, you
know, it's proper soft silicone.And I was lucky enough, but then
there's other toys like, you know, Doc Johnson or like, but
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they have just, they're the people are just fucking ripping
apart their intestines. And it's Johnson.
I haven't heard that name in so long.
Yeah, they're saying like this giant fucking PVC Dicks that are
just like. They're not body shape.
At the the the store, you know, like, and it's just whenever I
see like and like you and one ofthe other things of why I don't
like the aspect of like a lot ofthe studio works and why I'm
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excited to do more studio work in like a maybe like a last
extreme kind of way, more like agross girl kind of way, but
they're using the shittiest fucking dildos ever.
Like, I don't get it. Like can we just like?
Yeah. Can we upgrade?
Can we upgrade, please? We.
Really need to upgrade the the porn toys, like the the studio
toys. I don't know what they're
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working with and who's cleaning them, you know?
Yeah, I remember when I I used to work for raw fuck club in the
toy collection that they had there was pretty sad and I was
just like, why don't we get hankies toys or square peg like
this is you know, why don't we just want to go the extra mile
and take care of the models? Because it's these are not body
safe toys. The materials are bad for you.
So it's. Like support that like hankies
gives to their fan base. Like the amount of toys that I
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got for free, Yeah. And then I'll continue to get
for free. It's like, absolutely
ridiculous. I love them so much.
Working with them was a dream come true for me.
I had to harass them for years to finally get my my my dildo
made with them. But it was they were really
great to work with and I had theowner on the show and he was
really super great too, so. How do you feel about people
impersonating your prolapse? Put it in the other way.
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Do you know, is it Arjun? Donna?
Do you know her? Of course, she was on the show
too. Yeah, I think she does it where
she puts it in backwards and it looks like her pro labs, Yes.
How do you feel about? That I was completely honored
and flattered because she beat me to the punch.
Like she we talked about it on the show because my fan base
went like rabid against hers andwas like, you're ripping off
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hunger FF, you know, how dare you, blah, blah, blah.
And she was just kind of, she was so sweet about it when we
talked about it. She was just, she's just the
greatest. I love her so much.
And so it didn't bother me at all.
And I don't think she ever was trying to pass it off as her
own. She was just showing that she
could you. Oh, my God, look at this crazy
new toy. And she told me that when she
put it in backwards, her legs, she didn't cut the base off or
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anything. She put it base in first.
And her ass is. I don't even think I could
handle that. Yeah, so, but she said that her
legs went numb from the. I I feel tingling in my legs if
I take a big enough. I think I have a Gatekeeper 140
now. Like I've taken, I've when I
take it, it's a great fucking time.
But like, I it, it's, I feel it in my fucking feet and I, I
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think that turns me on so fucking much.
It's like, yeah. You feel it in your whole body.
That's how you know it's working, right?
Yeah, for sure. You stream multiple nights a
week, so what's your ritual before going live?
Do you experience a shift between being of the performer
and lean of the person, or do you feel it's kind of all the
same? I feel like I'm pretty much the
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same person throughout my day-to-day life.
I'm very confident. I you know, I know that I'm hot
and like, I know that I can. Yeah.
There's no like turn on that I need to do.
It's mainly just like because I I really like doing it on the
same day as I work my day job. So like I just worked like a 7
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hour day like in the kitchen andthings like that.
And basically I, I just got off,I have some caffeine and then
I'm just right in it because I know if like on my day off, like
I, I don't want to have to deal with camming.
Like I'll edit a little bit, butlike, I just want to have my, my
certain weekends. But yeah, I just set up my
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pleasure futon that I got to piss all over.
I'm sure it's seen better days. She's she's doing pretty good.
I I just got her some some college girl.
But I. Picked it up from, has no idea
what I'm doing with it now. That's funny.
I haven't. I've got like on and off switch
for performing. Like I have Hunger FF persona
and then the Ryan James persona and they're very different.
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Like myself. I'm very kind of quiet in my shy
and Hunger FF is very luck. Yeah, bro.
Like in trash my fucking guts. It's this weird kind of switch.
Like I'll be getting ready to dolike a live show and I'll be so
nervous beforehand. As soon as I walk out on the
stage, it's like boom, like hunger FF turns on and it's like
a different person. I didn't know if that if you
shared any kind of similar experience to that word.
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I think because I really haven'thad it, but enough experiences
like, you know, like when I, when I go to a sex party and
things like that and like I'm FM, you know, I'll, I'll play
into it, you know, like I'll fucking do it, you know.
And like, if somebody really, you know, if I understand like
some tipper's language or like awhale that I know is really
going to like want to see that, I'll turn it up.
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For those of you guys who don't know the term whale, explain the
term whale because. A whale is somebody with lots of
money that is usually just like ready to spend.
And she's like pretty fucking cool.
It's like, you know, I always, Ithink, oh, you know, with my sex
worker friends, we all just likewish that we got to have Hunter
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Biden as a client. I mean, you know, I've gotten
couple whales in my lifetime andit's always very nice because
the I'll walk home from a I'll leave a trip, an escorting trip
with sneakers and they've boughtme luggage and all this crazy
shit and they tip me like an extra 5 grand.
Fuck yeah, this is awesome. But then they.
Either really get it or they're total fucking psychos.
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And then like a year they're going to call you and be like, I
left my wife. Yeah, I'm ready to move in with
you. Yeah, they don't understand the
line. Yeah, that that can kind of
happen. But I think the other persona,
which I think would be really unlocked if I ended up like,
because yeah, if I went to a like if I was the only woman at
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like a fisting party, I think I would be broing down so fucking
hard. What do you mean?
I just like, oh fuck yeah, dude,let's do it.
Like let's fuck. Like just like, yeah, obviously
like I have my, my femme voice and everything, but like I
definitely my Butch and femme personas that like are very much
both me. Yeah, they do kind of ebb and
flow and like I'm ready to bro down with the rest of them half
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the time and be really gross. Well, that actually kind of
segues right into the next question I was going to ask you,
which was you mentioned mentioned the trans fem place in
the fisting and leather community.
What does inclusion look like toyou, and what have been some of
the most affirming or alienatingexperiences that you've had to
deal with while navigating thosespaces?
I think that I'll start with themost alienating part is that I
think a lot of literature and even like you know, I think you
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had them on podcast if this theory.
Yes, yes. Amazing websites literally
godsend for someone to do that. Like I I I've done fisting
classes and I have my info sheetthat I give out to other sex
workers and sell it. But like that is on a whole
nother fucking level. But it's just talking about men.
You know, I got a fucking asshole since women have
assholes like there's and it's just like kind of like
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frustrating to see sometimes. And I think the other aspect is
like with the, you know, the whole accessibility thing as
well for finding good festers and people that I trust is that
like I know if I was able to go to a fisting party that just
happened to be like, it's like leather.
And then it's mostly male centered.
The one in Philly is is male or trans male allowed only.
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And I think in way that to to mirror like the the leather dyke
kind of world and everything is that the sex parties are really
phasing out this whole no sis men kind of vibe, which is
really great. And for a lot of reasons is that
I think that it really alienatesa lot of trans women that they
see this sign that says no sis Med and then they're like, oh
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God, I'm going to go to this party and then I'm just going to
be clocked immediately. I'm going to, you know, there's
going to be tariffs. I'm just going to have a really
scary time. And that's how a lot of sex
parties were for me in the beginning when, you know, I
didn't get facial feminization surgery.
I didn't get massive tits. All I had was my giant hole that
I had before I transitioned and and that's what saved me.
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But if I didn't have that, it would be a lot more terrifying.
Yeah, you know, I can't. I can't imagine how that.
It's really scary to enter a very sexualized space amongst
lots of lots of women where at the forefront it says no CIS
men. So that's exiting from
everything. And we're understanding the
language of that and how it can affect things and kind of like
(19:23):
move into trans misogyny. And I think it's just kind of
time for, you know, and one of the other things too is that
like trans men are allowed into like a lot of the sex parties,
you know, even they're they're like femme focused and it's
because they have the shared experience, you know, of there
is still that connection there. And that's something that you're
like, not all trans men are going to feel and acknowledge
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like, Oh yeah, no, I'm a dude. Or like, no, like, yeah, that's
a part of me that I still want to.
I'm still a dyke, you know, eventhough I'm a fag and, and all
these things, but like, I'm still a fag.
I love. Boys, Yeah.
I will always be that and you know, and just what I'm saying
is like, I want to bro down and just like, you know, watch some
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holes get trashed, get my hole trashed and also know that I'm
in good hands because the amountof leather dyke fisters out
there. It's it's not that not that big.
You know, I tea with a lot of like, like, Oh yeah, I'm into
fisting. But then they're like, oh, but
it's just front holes. You know, and it's like, OK, so
that's frustrating. You're not going to, I'm not
going to trust you go elbow deepin me or nor do I really want
(20:29):
you to. But yeah, I just really wish I
had that accessibility. Regarding FIS theory, I mean, I
could even, I mean, I'll, I'll shoot him a message and see if
he can maybe possibly include some more literature and
education and. Literature's great.
I mean, he's so fucking smart. Yeah.
One of my friends, Mistress Odette in Austin, went to one of
his classes. Or like, maybe it was online.
And like that it just like was in awe.
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He's done so much homework and so much we're just the amount of
effort and time he's put into developing that curriculum is
really impressive. It's really amazing.
For sure. Lucky to have him on it was.
But yeah, I would love for our time to be kind of like, we
really need community. I feel like there's a, there's
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an aspect where we're really isolated and I, I think there's
also an aspect of like you're, you're answering this, this
whole world amongst trans women that are all they have is to
feel euphoria is being sexualized.
That's how I've felt for a while.
It's a lot of my public photos, even like as a civilian are, you
know, there's not many of them because the only way that I feel
(21:35):
euphoria is feeling sexualized. So they do that on the Internet
and then they enter this whole kind of porn brain rot thing
that's like, you know, I'm like,what's going to give me the most
views? What's going to give me the most
attention? And like, sadly a lot of that
right now is grace play. There's like a really weird
femme boy race play thing that'sgoing on.
It kind of like associates with the state of our country and
(21:58):
it's like really messed up. And like us as white people, we
have no right calling ourselves snow bunnies or entering this
BNWO thing. You know, as like as a black
person, you know, you absolutelyhave your right to use the terms
like BBC and everything, but like, as a white person, you
have no right to be capitalizingoff of.
That right, it's and it's so interesting that you talk,
you're talking about this too, because it's just in the
(22:20):
previous episode was discussing with Brian Bonds about how
sometimes it's teams, the industry rewards us for doing
kind of toxic behaviors. And so I did, I film almost all
my videos completely sober. And then I filmed a video where
I was fucked up and I'm going torelease this just for kicks and
see what happens. And it was the most devoured
video that I had put on the Internet and more people watched
(22:41):
it, more people engaged with it more.
And I was this is really kind ofshitty.
You know, they just want to see me fucked up and you know, I I
can create this amazing piece ofcontent that's really great and
and and and well shot, well lit,well thought out, planned.
It's really hot. It'll get mediocre, you know,
you know, it's some views. But then I filmed this point of
view fucked up on the spur of the moment.
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Just let's just grab the camera video and just as a social
experiment threw it out and it was everybody just laid it up.
And I'm that kind of validation to keep doing the kinds of
things that are not necessarily that don't make us feel good is
a toxic part of the content creation community, I think.
Yeah, because I'm sure it doesn't make you feel good to
have to do race play, I'm sure. Yeah, and I feel somebody,
there's a lot of the trans womenout there, they're kind of just
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seeing like that's like the nextthing to do.
Or maybe the other issue and whyI'm talking about it is like
they're not social and not enough to to deal with that
because they haven't been able to found that community yet.
So they all they have is just this online community.
You know, it's basically it's almost like 4 Chan.
It's just like a lot of like, and you know, a really great way
to seek that, especially, you know, as like when you're doing
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extreme whole stuff is defined community and to learn.
You know, I never was able to learn.
I got very lucky with my safety.I think I had like one big scare
with like, like probably like spoiled J Lube, which I no
longer use. And like, I am very lucky that I
didn't get hurt or anything. And I, I wish that I had the
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space to, to learn from, from other people and, and go in and
join these, these parties and these communities because we
just, we have assholes just likeeveryone else.
Sure. And we just.
We just want to have a good time.
Exactly. Do you feel that trans women are
fetishized, excluded or celebrated or all three in the
leather scene? And how do you personally
negotiate that tension between the three, between being
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fetishized, excluded? Or celebrated.
We're certainly, definitely all those things.
I think in terms of like when I get into my like close scene and
I get to this like my circle of people that I know, there's less
of like the fetishization of it and more so if anything more to
the exclusion aspect. But yeah, I mean, I think
amongst the, you know, when I'm a grinder, you know, it's like,
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and I mainly just use it for work.
But like, it's just like I do get a ton of gay men that just
want to fuck me. And then like, that's fine.
You know, I'm totally down with that.
But there is the fetishization of that.
And I'd say about like half of them are just waiting to be have
their eggs cracked and realize that they're trans women also,
you know what I mean? They're using you sort of as a a
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catalyst to try to. Negotiate I mean, I'm also sort
of guilty of that. You know, it had my first like
really like honestly, I, I love the term that was used in
another podcast, but the term Lesbro.
Oh yeah. Greatest term ever.
But like I had my first like hole for hole like lesbro
experience with with somebody. And I and I hadn't really known
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that before, but I was also seeking it to have this trans
woman put makeup on me and all these things and like that, you
know, and then I did that and I didn't come out as a trans woman
for like another four years, youknow, and just like something I
did. But yeah, no, I mean, I think
we're very fetishized. We're a very popular part of the
porn industry right now. Yeah, for sure.
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I mean, I, I see it. I mean, I use Lexvid and they
will consume a lot of porn on the tube sites and stuff.
There's always, you know, a lot of it's a good time to be in.
There's something for everybody in porn these days.
There's representation for almost everybody.
For sure. I mean, I do think that maybe,
you know, I think trans women are, you know what they trans
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women are allowed to do whateverthey want to feel good.
But I do think we're leaning a little bit too hard into the the
Sissy like fanboy application. But mainly, you know, I love a
fanboy like I love a Sissy or anything and stuff like that.
But I feel like I'm seeing a lotof trans women do it for the
cloud or do it for the money andthings like that.
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And we need more powerful trans women that are not just
dominatrixes. And I feel like I kind of fit
that role. I think there's like one other
trans woman that I really know of back in the day besides like,
maybe like not only Mars I really love, but her name's
Danny Daniels. I really loved her.
Her persona is that like, she kind of refused to not refuse to
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be submissive in her porn. OK.
She was a big studio like like, you know, she had a huge Dick or
whatever, but like like besides that is like she kind of refused
to do that. And I think we need more of that
and we need more power coming from our identities.
And I think it's a little few and far between right now from
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like the young content creators that I see these days, which
are. I'm filming my first MTF scene
soonish. Actually, a lot of Lana Summers.
Awesome Summers. Oh my God, I love her, she's
great. She's in Fort Lauderdale right
now. Can you shout?
I know she kind of, I think she only like really fucks boys, but
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yeah, put it in a good word. She's gonna fist me on the next
week, I think, so I'm super excited.
I've known her for years and we've just always beat around
the Bush and we're finally doingit, so I'm super excited.
Hold on, I I have a question about the acrylics.
Is she going to be? How do you feel about acrylics
getting fit? Well, I I am my hole is not
nearly as I they're they're coming off so I OK.
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Well, yeah, no for for you for sure, just in case.
I mean, I, I appreciate everybody's aesthetic.
I nothing, nothing gets under myskin really.
I mean, my friend was just talking to me that was here
beforehand. He's like, how do you feel about
what is your thought about transpeople?
And I don't have really thoughtsabout trans people.
I just think that they're just, that doesn't affect my life.
I'm just talking about getting the the nails in there.
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I mean these are rounded. Interesting.
OK. Yeah.
No, no, they have to come off. They have to come off.
I think, you know, I mean when they're manicured and
everything. One thing I do have to say in
that while, because This is why I'm so fucked up, is that I have
actually enjoyed the stilettos in there in your ass because
it's a it's an edge play. Like it's so scary.
Oh. My God.
Yeah, well, I did a toilet brushone time and that shit was.
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Terrible. That wasn't the fucking the
video that I wish I hadn't filmed because it's such it's on
every tweaker website and I was sober when I did it.
It was just it was a dish brush.It was a super soft bristle
bristles and everybody takes toilet brush.
It's a dish brush, bitch. It's not.
It's so soft. It was, it was basically a
little massage, but it looks so much worse than it actually is.
But it's it's one of my most notorious videos.
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It gets purchased all the time. Yeah.
It's honestly IA lot of dominatrixes that I know they
they fist with with Nelson no problem and they're fucking
great at it. OK, well that I mean if that's
the case, I mean, I mean I just you said you mean our holes are
a money maker. So it's.
Yeah, no, I'm definitely all more nervous.
It would only have to be like professional like I think the
one time I actually got triple fisted was at I was teaching a
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class and I think one of them Empress Wu shout out.
And then also I'm a stricted deity.
Daddy, Mommy deity on Twitter. Yeah, I think they all had woo.
Had nails. Sizable, like nails.
I mean, I don't think they were sharp, but you can totally do
it. It's all good.
Yeah. Just gotta be careful.
Or do you like the cotton balls and the gloves?
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Some people do that. Oh, OK, That's interesting.
Yeah, you stuff gloves with in the with cotton balls.
You learn something new every day.
I had never heard of that before.
That's great. Watson shows up with full sets.
You just be like, put those cotton balls in.
Cotton balls in the gloves. What kind of riffs have you seen
between men and women in the leather and fisting world?
And what do you think needs to happen for real community
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healing between the between the two I.
Think it when it comes to the leather world, I think it's
definitely a lot less prevalent.It's like I don't really
consider the base fisting community as leather or kinky.
No, neither do I, I think. I think it used to be rooted in
leather and now it's really become a film thing.
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I mean I don't think fisting is kinky.
I have 100% I. Not anymore.
I don't know, I just think it's the most intimate way that you
could ever fuck someone. And it's just like, it's just
the best way. Sorry we figured it out.
But like if I'm like telling somebody while they're like
elbow deep inside me and their hands poking out in my tummy and
I'm like, somebody's telling me this is how you're going to die.
And I'll be like, Oh my God, that's so hot.
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Yeah, that's kinky. That's but like, yeah, no.
But like in terms of like the community, the leather
community, I feel like it's lessof an issue, especially when it
comes down to like the artistic aspect of it.
But when it comes to like the circuit gay community, I think
there's it's a big rift. I think a lot of leather dykes
might be just kind of they are still men haters, which I think
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is like really annoying at times.
And I can't really say I can't really speak for the the CIS
male community on, on how they think of women in their spaces
and everything I I know about like how some trans men are
still not really treated well ina lot of spaces, which is like
really fucked up. But.
One trans inclusive fisting party 11 time years ago, it was
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called War of the Roses. It was in Detroit.
He created a space that was for men, women, trans.
It was a fully integrated sex party and it was really kind of,
I went in there with the intention to get fisted by, by,
you know, a woman or somebody and I just didn't vibe with
anybody. So it's, it was my, my, my
intention was there, but I just didn't click with anybody or
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nobody clicked with me. And so it happens.
Yeah, sometimes it happens. And so I was okay.
Was it whatever. But, you know, I, I've never
been opposed to the idea. I mean, I feel I'm, I'm just a
sexual creature and I appreciatebeauty and sexuality in whatever
form it takes. And so I just wish more people
thought like that and they weren't so concerned about being
male only. And, you know, this is a male
only space. Come on, man.
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We're all just, we're all tryingto have a good time.
Everybody's trying to have a good time.
Yeah. And I think like, yeah, I think
the the first step to end this rift within the the men and
women, women parts of the leather community or just like
like queer parties is just like get rid of this whole no sis,
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men, no women shit. You know, the people that want
to be there will show up like they, they kind of weed
themselves out. Like the the bad people always
just eventually weed themselves out of the party.
Yeah, or, or we weed them out for them.
For sure, yeah. And like.
They do something stupid and then they're just kind of exiled
anyways on their own. Yeah, and I think there's an
issue right now of like, obviously I think one of the
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things I was told, it wasn't by the group, but it was by someone
else's. Like when I complained about the
Philly Fisters club being men only, I was like the person was
like, why don't you just start your own thing?
And I'm like, I'm a trans woman.I don't have a lot of money, I
don't have a lot of time. I don't like know a lot of
people, a lot of people don't want to rent me a space.
And it's like that for a lot of us, you know, we need the less
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marginalized communities to openup their spaces because we don't
have the resources to do that. But in terms of like the rift
and everything, it's just like we that's the first step and
understand that we're all just like, just like sexual creatures
just trying to do. Get our rocks.
Off when you're in that like a binary space and it's like a
little bit like, you know, when there's gay, gay people and then
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there's just like there's lesbians and gays or whatever
and you don't want to fuck assist man, that's fine.
I think that's OK when there's ageneral preference in that.
But yeah, we just need to get over it.
Yeah, I mean, everybody just needs to mind their own fucking.
I mean, just in my opinion. I mean, if my sex life is not
gonna be impacted by a woman having sex next to me, I'm not.
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I'm just, that's just how I am. I'm just so low key and chill.
I'm just like, whatever, do yourthing, have a good time.
But not everybody thinks like that.
It's sort of I think that the newer, younger generation is a
lot more hopefully a lot more friendly and accepting towards.
Yeah, I think like the another thing that I want to say about
like us that trans women coming to your parties or any of this
trans people general, you don't have to ask us a pronouns.
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You don't have to do any fuckingwork.
Like there's no work we're asking you to do for us that you
need to perform or any of these things.
Just let us in and just like, you know, perceive us and that's
really it. And just just give us the space.
Yeah, OK, let's, let's give us the space.
That's the that's the quote. Just give us the space, give us
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the room. Give us as much space as I have
in my con. Yeah, exactly.
So I have about like 30 more minutes before I need to get to
head out because I I'm dying to see Fantastic Four.
I'm like so excited and I have to go pick up my friend on the
way to pick up Alex Tikas on theway to go see this.
Movie I'm going to get fixed by Pedro Pascal, so.
Bad Me Too is so fucking beautiful.
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He's so psyched. Definitely fisted for sure.
Yeah, he looks like a freak. You know who else I think is
fisted is Heidi Klum, because she saw my My Prolapse video on
YouTube. You can look up a video of Sofia
Vergara and Heidi Klum watching Hunger FF videos.
No way. Yeah.
And so did you. Did you?
Scream when you found that out. There's Heidi Klum, Sharon
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Osbourne, Johnny Knoxville, Ray J, JoJo Siwa, Howie McDowell,
Doctor Phil, all these celebrities reacting to my
videos and it's really kind of amazing.
And so if you ever so if you ever got, I was horrified.
But Heidi Klum was unfazed, unbothered, dim blink.
And so she's like, what do you think, Sophia?
And she's like, is this, I don'teven know, is this real?
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And Sophia's Heidi was just, I think Heidi's a Heidi's a freak
underneath it all. Oh, for sure, yeah.
Someone's outfit exactly. So your clips and streams are
packed with intense fetish energy.
What are some of your favorite kind of scenes to perform, and
how much of what you do is fantasy versus your authentic
desires? I think everything that I do is
really rooted in my desires and in fantasies.
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Except for. I mean, I wore like, a really
stupid schoolgirl outfit the other day.
I just, like, didn't vibe with it, but like, I knew it would
sell and like, I wanted to. I'm still experimenting with my
femininity. You know, I, I called myself a
Butch for a while, but then I got massive tits and now I'm
just like, like, hell yeah, let's wear more dresses.
But yeah, I the kind of content I like, I'm really getting into
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like piss and just like being gross in general.
I think what was that Raunch sells.
Raunch it does sell and it yeah I in terms of the intensity you
know I I just like like to get fucked really hard and I I I
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don't have a lot of videos with the the fuck saw I've kind of
retired it because I got addicted and it was really have
you gotten the. Sawzall before I have the
Cyclops XL fuck machine. Oh.
I have the Kong but I I haven't really been using it.
It's actually at my ex's place, but I used to use them events.
It's a little hard to. It's a little hard to use like.
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Yeah, they're I kind of feeling like the maker.
Yeah, it's hard to line my body up in the way to get fucked
correctly with it. So it's like I, I, I wish I
could use it more often, but it's like it's such a nightmare
to kind of put it up and get it set up so I don't.
Nobody understands whether theseintense, gross scenes and then
you're filming it by yourself asa whole, doing it.
You're just covered in Lube. I don't think you understand how
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gross and the year like you got all these, especially if you
like you want multiple angles and like want to do a nice job
and that like you're just like it feels like I'm fucking
playing Twister with myself. Yeah.
And I'm just slippery and like just getting Lube over all my
expensive equipment trying. Fucking hit the record button
when your. Fingers Oh my trying not to get
Lube on my lens because I know that shit's not coming off for a
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very long time yeah I'm. So funny.
So I feel like whenever I whenever I make content like and
I don't, I don't do it very often.
I kind of like spur into like one session over like a few
hours and I'll be like really into it and really turned on.
But I'm giving it my all becauseI know that like, it's going to
take forever for me to clean this up and everything.
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I really just go for it. Do you have a dedicated play
space or do you just kind of like?
I have my room now which is has so much sunlight in it, but
before I had my my, my last bedroom was like quite small,
not very lit and just dealing with artificial light.
Yeah, which is really annoying. As you can see, I love
artificial light. No, your room is gorgeous and
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all that. It's very gay.
Everything in my house is pink. And I'll take pictures and show
you. I'll text you the rest of my
apartment. It's very much yeah.
I love it. It's pretty crazy.
So how has your relationship to fisting evolved over time?
Personally, sexually, professionally?
And what's your fisting origins story?
I think my fisting origins storyis like, I think I just stumbled
upon like an some ads when I waslike a teenager watching porn,
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gay porn, and I was just like, whoa.
I just like being drawn to it a little bit more.
But then I just think I just always have wanted more and more
in my my hole. And I can relate.
Yeah, no, there's just somethingabout it.
It just catches us. And I just became very addicted.
I didn't always have the the biggest hole.
I think the first time a fist got in there was like, and it
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didn't even really hurt that much, but there were so much
blood. I was so.
Scared like I just ended up bleeding for like a couple years
just whenever I played like slightly and then I took some
time off when I had my surgeriesand now I don't bleed at all.
I don't. Fucking lose any of that and I'm
like so grateful that like, but part of that is due to my
relationship with fisting for sure.
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I became very, very goal oriented in the terms of my
play. And I think it's a little
problematic and it's something that all holes kind of go
through of that. Like they just, you just want to
do more and more because you hitthat euphoria of like taking in
a new plug, Like when I when I start sizing up the gatekeepers
from top toys and you just finally get it in and you're
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like, oh fuck, take it out to get up there and then like, all
right, well, now let's go back in.
Let's go back in. He's like, yeah.
And then I feel like, you know, I was just getting to a point
where like I knew that if I kepton stretching it further, it
might affect me in like my day-to-day life.
And like, you know, when I have to clean out, even if I'm just
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doing like regular sex because my 2nd hole is so stretched out.
So I have to clean the whole fucking thing now.
Sure. Because there's no like there's
no barrier that usually most normal people have the 2nd hole
just like protecting anything actually happening.
I remember when I had a second hole so I used to say I got
bulldozed through that shit a long time ago.
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Yeah, no. And that was fun in itself like
and yeah, I think yeah, it's just stop being goal oriented
and just really be in the moment.
And I think the emotions for me are really what what gets me is
like, I know that I've been fucked really good when I start
crying or if I'm non verbal and I'm shaking in and of puddle of
my own juices. And I think the only thing
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that's like go oriented for me left, and it probably won't ever
happen in my life, is I would love to be shoulder deep.
Oh yeah. Why do you think that won't
happen? It's really like once.
The anatomy aspect, once you can, I know it's going to take
some time. What were you saying?
Once you get past the elbow, it's really not, you're not
actually going any further. You're just stretching.
You're just kind of adjusting your arm.
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You don't actually go straight in.
It's AC shape, so it's like. Huh, boys, I need boys, I need
men to fuck me because they, I need to go to these sex parties,
these gay like just the male oriented sex parties because I
just, I've never met somebody asthey've gone shoulder deep, let
alone a woman. And I also have a theory that
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like, have you ever met anybody that goes shoulder deep that's
like below the age of 35? I mean me, OK, I mean, I'm 36,
but I mean I've been shoulder deep for the last like 6 years.
So I mean, I know couple, maybe not not many, not many, but I
was, I'm a weird kind of freak of nature.
I was born with two feet of freefloating colon that's not
attached to my bodies. I was born with a genetic
advantage. So yeah, I think my my story is
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a little bit different, but. I feel like shoulder deep thing.
It's like especially, you know, even like the leather aspect of
like the ranks of like the players and everything.
There's just a maturity aspect of you can tell when somebody
shoulder deep that like, and I feel like whenever and look at
the amateur porn or porn in general on the Internet where
somebody, a man getting shoulderdeep is like they're older
because they've been doing it a while.
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Yeah. So I'm like, I'm patient about
it. I know it probably won't happen
for a while, but I I think I canget up to the elbow but.
I'm closing on 20 years of this thing.
It's crazy. Congratulations as a teenager,
basically. So you're incredibly consistent
with your branding and your scheduling.
What advice would you give to other performers, especially
trans fems trying to build an independent business in fetish
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corner cami? When you do it, make sure that
you really give it your all and it's something that you want to
do. If you're dealing with dysphoria
as a trans woman and you are really wanting to make a lot of
content, be aware that you're going to be editing pictures of
your videos of your fucking facethe entire time.
And I stopped making porn for a while because I couldn't look at
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my face anymore. And then I got facial
feminization surgery. I'm still have more to do, but
now I can look at myself and feel happy with my body.
And I think like, a lot of just people in general have that
issue. But especially when somebody has
gender dysphoria, which is like,put somebody to the level of,
like, you know, where life mightnot even feel worth living.
Yeah. That's so sad.
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Yeah, especially when you want to make porn and like you say,
the art that you want to do and you want to, you just can't look
at yourself. And that's like 90% of content
creation is just looking at yourself on a fucking screen.
Right, yeah, I know guys that don't like to edit their own
videos cuz they don't like to watch themselves.
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And I'm like, I get off on editing my own videos.
Oh my God, I jerk off when I edit some of my videos.
It's like I'm like, fuck, that was hot.
I think what got me into wantingto make porn is that we used to
have a projector up on the screen on my wall and I would
have my laptop webcam facing my hole while like my ex would be
like fisting me so I could watchit get destroyed at the same
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time. Yeah it is great.
Yeah, always been a fan, but face aspect of that don't just
like really focus on not burningout and understand that like it
could be going really well and then it like doesn't because of
laws right now and like fan sites shutting down.
Yeah, it's a scary time to be a content creator, actually.
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For sure, yeah. It's, it's a weird, especially
somebody, I mean, I own my own website and it's I'm not staying
abreast on all of the, the laws as I should be.
And so it's, I know that there'sgoing to be a wall coming soon
where it's I'm going to have to make some changes to my site and
I'm not. Moving, yeah.
And I know that's like how many?Can I ask you how like is it
like 6 figures of what you invested in your website or no?
But to build my website was not 6 figures, it was 5.
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And so it was. It cost me all the money that I
had saved at the time and then Imade back what I spent on the
first month of sales, so. That's fucking wild.
Yeah, it was a perfect thing. So I made back the entire
investment in one month, which was amazing.
And then the industry is shifting.
And so I just did an episode theother day about oversaturation
in the market. And there's so many fisters now
that it's I'm, I am struggling to kind of figure out how to
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maintain relevancy in an industry that's so oversaturated
with fisters that can do the same things that I can do now
'cause it used to just be kind of me and a couple other people.
Now there's so many people that do the same type of content that
it's, it's difficult. So I'm it's why I started the
show. It's why I started, I wrote a
book. It's I mean, I'm trying to do
things that are kind of outside of just straight up content to
stay kind of separated and different.
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And it's a journey. It's like it's coming to terms
with the fact that my 15 minutesmight be kind of closing up on
me. I'm a little bit anxious about
that. And so because I don't want to.
I like being hungry FFI like doing adult content.
I like doing porn. I've been doing it my entire
life basically. So it's a little bit scary to
know that just with the oversaturation of the market
that the stay relevant and then to have lost my prolapse, the
size that it was the thing that made me unique or different.
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I'm like when I was, so it's thank you.
I hope so. My surgeon's hopeful, my
surgeon's really great. So I am going to ask one more
question and then we're going togo into what, where people can
find out more about you, where you work and how they can
contact or get, get, get more content from you And what
boundaries have you had to learnthe hard way with sex work,
anything, especially when it comes to fans or parasocial
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relationships. I know that I've, I've struggled
with parasocial relationships myself where people feel that
they know you even though they don't really know you because
they just watched your content. And so it's, there's this idea
that they, you know, they know you, but you don't know them.
And I actually had a fan show upat my house one time.
And so once my trademark went live and my, my address became
public record, I just somebody show up at my house.
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And so have you struggled, but have you had any boundaries or
anything, any lessons you've hadto learn the hard way when it
comes to sex work? I think the, the aspect for me
is in terms of like the para socially or just even socially
is that as a sex worker, as a full service sex worker, when I
have sex for fun and it's with somebody that like I care about,
I need that time to be really respected.
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And you know, it might just be like sex for someone, but like
it takes a lot out of me to likewant to I end this together and
like want to do that with you and finding people that can
understand that and have that patience for you as a sex
worker. We're like, it's my job, it's
what I do the most. I spend 6 hours right week with
the fuck machine fucking me for most of those six hours.
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And it doesn't seem like a lot, but it really takes a lot out of
me. Yeah, in terms of like, people
like overstepping and like it may be making me feel unsafe.
I was a moist high fighter for about 6 years.
OK, so if anybody ever wants to try me, they can go for it.
I because I, I do have some videos with my motorcycle, which
I feel like is quite identifiable and identifiable
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And you know, I have massive tits.
So like like and I like to look hot on my bike and like, I
guarantee that some people have probably saw me and I think I've
had a people on like grinder message me like, oh, it's hi, I
saw you in there. And like, I do get afraid
sometimes, but for the most part, yeah, no, I'm quite
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unkillable. And I really love that about
myself. But yeah, I, I think that one
thing is a sex word that bothersme is finding close
relationships with people and having them understand what you
do can take a lot out of you andthat, you know, that you're
still a person. And then God forbid you have
like a friends with benefits that like you just want to come
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over and like have them come over and fuck and then they feel
entitled to you. Yeah, I feel like the the
entitlement thing is like the the biggest thing for me.
Yeah, it's a misunderstanding about what sex workers go
through fundamentally is a mental kind of the things it
does to us mentally, the the walls it puts up in our brains
and the the the situations that we find ourselves in.
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Unless you're also a sex worker,you're never going to truly
understand what happens. I am like a 90% sex worker for
sex worker these days. Like, yeah, that's, that's the
only way I I really want to fuckthese days.
Yeah, it's I still, I try to have a good work life balance
where I fuck for fun still also fuck for content.
But it's I used to have a really, I used to only film
content and not have sex for fun.
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And I realized quickly that thatwas not good for my mental.
Health that was in there, it's bad.
Yeah, I need to do to take care of what my own needs are.
So, you know, this has been amazing.
I feel I learned quite a bit about your experience and I
realized that we have a lot morein common than I anticipated.
Just hearing some, some of the things that you said.
I'm like, man, like, you know, I, I really not man, no, no,
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damn it, my first fuck up, I hadto throw in one of them my first
fuck up and it took me, you know, I just feel we have a lot
in common and I would like to just continue this conversation
in text afterwards. I I feel you've got a lot more
in common than I realized and. I even want to go to fist fest.
I am like desperate to go to Fizz Fest and.
(50:34):
Yeah, I don't know what, I don'tknow what what their policies
are, but hopefully they're I've heard.
Of one transformer going. But OK, awesome.
Well, where can we? Where can people find more about
you on the Internet? You can find me on Twitter or
also known as stupid name X Lenaunder score vesper.
You could find me on my main site which has basically almost
all my content is Fansley fab house.
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These are all Lena under score Vesper and then you can find me.
So you can you can include if you want to send me a text with
all of your link, your links andstuff.
I'll include it in all the the advertisements and stuff for the
for. Sure, yeah, and then you could
find me streaming on Chatterbait, Strip Chat and
Fansly. Amazing.
And you could literally fuck me and like my my thing is, is like
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try and break me and is that what happened?
Like don't test me out of outside circumstances, but
nobody ever breaks me. Lena, this has been amazing.
I really appreciate your time you guys.
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episode.
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back to
another episode of Brolapse. This is episode 46 and we're
here with Lena Vesper today, somebody I'm really excited
about having on the show so thatI can kind of myself learn a
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little bit more about the trans experience because I am assist
male and I don't really know a whole lot about the the trans
experience. So I'm really curious about
hearing about her experience in the fetish community, the
fisting community and the adult content creation community.
So I just like go ahead and introduce Lena Besper.
How's it going? How are you?
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I'm doing good, good. I'm glad you're here.
So the first question I have foryou is you describe yourself as
a big breasted goon queen with amagic pussy.
Yeah, I mean the robust words for the most part.
I am a goon queen for sure. I mean like I love porn so much.
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I think it's such a beautiful thing.
Big breasted because I January Ijust got 700 CCS.
I'm assuming that's a lot. Actually right in your town, by
the way. Oh, really?
Oh, I probably. Yeah, I was in Fort Lauderdale.
OK. Yeah, dude, it's so gay there.
It's super gay. How gay?
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It's, it's literally I saw more gay people than New York.
It's gay men. Like a mix, but like Fort
Lauderdale, I was like, wow, this is the gayest.
Place, yeah, it's like, it's like the East Coast's Palm
Springs, but it's like Palm Springs and Milton Manors.
It's. But we also live in a bubble
here. So it's, you know, we don't
really, I don't interact with very many straight people very
often, period. So it's, it's, it's, it's a
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little jarring when I do end up having to interact with straight
people. I'm like, but how did you craft
that persona? And what does it mean to you
beyond just branding? Well, I think the the like the
queen aspect that are like, I mean, I used to also, and I
still sort of go by the pseudonym was saying like the
the my like Northeastern dyke leather dyke world is like ho
mommy. OK.
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And I think that kind of spurs from the aspect of my role as
somebody in play of somebody that like I'm not very
submissive. I mean I can be at times, but
when we're doing whole stuff, I'm kind of in charge and I kind
of relate to a lot of fisters that way.
But I think that would. Be in charge?
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What was that? The one that's being the whole
played with should always be in charge.
Yeah, I think more so in like the the DS dynamic in, in the
way of like and also just the headspace you can be in.
Obviously there's, you know, there's, there's boundaries put
in place and you're with proper players and understand you can
engage in those those headspaces.
But for me, I've just never really been there.
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I've gotten there like a few times, but it's usually just not
even about the first thing. It's usually about something
really gross because I'm really fucked up.
I love gross sex. So I always, I don't know if you
saw my tweet the other day, but I said I'm like gross boy and I
like gross boy things. Yeah, no, I'm 100% gross, girl.
I mean, if you watch my streams,I am early in a pool of piss at
the end of my I was a squirt. It's squirt.
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But yeah, I think like the number one thing that put me
into like the one time, like I really got into a crazy like
headspace and subspace was this top key.
So like I was getting fucked up.I had been beaten up.
I was like howling and just all these things.
And then I knew I was like cleaned out and everything.
But he took like all of the X ladies, like, like it was just
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covered in his and he just like wiped it all over my face.
And I was so disgusted that I like, and then just like, I just
like let go. And then I started crying.
You know, I I cry a lot when I'mlike in it like what, you know,
you know, I'm doing good when I cry.
Yeah. Was it just because it was such
an intense like that was such anlike an out of the norm
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experience for you like something that you hadn't?
OK. Yeah, it was like a boundary
push, but like in a good way in that, like, you know, it wasn't.
I had no red flags or anything as somebody I've played with
before. It's just your own body stuff,
it's not that. Like I want to get like, yeah,
I'm literally, I want to get spit on, pissed on, like.
Yeah. Yeah, I can.
Just like every I'm really gross.
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I like, I am like 3-3 degrees away from Scout in the way that
like, I really love watching beautiful women do absolutely
disgusting things. Yeah, I think.
And like, you know, it's just that acts in itself
intellectual, intellectually forme.
It just like turns me on more than anything.
Yeah, and you know what's funny is that scat I feel is the new
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fisting. Fisting is the new bareback scat
is the new fisting. It's crazy because there's all
these big name porn stars that have dark fans and and, and and
scat book. It's crazy in scat book.
Yeah, it's it's wild. I haven't crossed that threshold
yet. But I mean, I was chatting with
one of my previous guests who has a page and he's like, we're
always like there's money to be made there.
And I'm. Like Oh my God I'm thinking
about recording my like clean outs like every time I do it.
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It's just like. Yeah, and just like, I mean, you
know, for a lot of my, the content that I they put on my
pay walls and stuff, I'd say about 70% of it is just
recordings of my streams. It's just like there's things
that like I know it's just the, the record Button's there.
So all I have to do is just liketrim it down to my favorite
parts or whatever. And you know, you could totally
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do that for clean outs and I don't have to be into it, but.
They don't. Somebody's going to pay for it.
There's the market, there's the mark is ever for everything.
So what drew you to camming as aplatform and how has it
empowered you creatively or sexually in ways that studio
porn or in person work might nothave?
What do you get out of camming that you think separates it from
studio work or filming with other people?
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Well, I think the way that I Camis quite different from a lot of
people in the way that like I don't really do request like
maybe like a little bit I'll flush my tits and like, you
know, on your name or whatever or like, but I'm on a fuck
machine and I do it for two hours and I have a huge Dick in
me. By huge, I mean it's like like
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the manageable. It's the the large seahorse from
from Hanky's nice toy ever made.Honestly, the ridges are 8. 110.
The ridges are crazy. No, yeah, and it but like it
holds Lube perfectly in it, so Ibarely have to ever like relube
it. I'll nerd out forever, like I
I'm there to get fucked, like and I'm in charge.
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I am in charge of the gooners that are that are like I'm
commanding them to keep this fuck machine going because this
is the only way mom, you're going to ever make me satisfied
in that kind of way. So it's like I'm a little bit of
humiliation. It could be cooking.
I can also do like other things outside of that.
But at the end of the day, like I've gotten pretty popular
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pretty fast over like the last like I don't know, like 3-4
months I've been. Congratulations, you've only
been doing, you've only been counting for three or four
months. Yeah, it's mostly just been
like, like content creation. Like I like to do a good job
when, like when I do something, it's got to look like I've been
doing it for a while. You know I'm a big faggot to
make it kind of girl, but like you.
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Know you should have seen the beginning of this podcast was
such a mess. I had no idea what I was doing
the first few episodes. I was like bringing it and I had
no clue how to do audio audio onthe first few episodes was I
taught myself everything about the show.
So I I was really winging and now I feel it's kind of got a
rhythm going and everything and I've got most of the bits and
pieces nailed down. But it is good to show up doing
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what you're doing. For sure, yeah.
It's like putting yourself in a good amount of credit card debt
and then just getting this nice equipment that'll just make
things look nice and then figuring.
Out Oh my God, I've re I've upgraded my equipment twice in
my career and the second time I upgraded my equipment it was
like wow, we're going balls to the wall.
I'm getting all of these all this you know I got 3 new I
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phones and it just went crazy. It's people don't realize that
they don't realize how much money goes involved into
content. Oh my.
God, yeah. How how much to make a good
piece of content Like what Even setting up this podcast, the
camera, the microphone, the the receiver box thing like it's
people have no idea what goes into creating content on the
Internet today. I'll keep talking about that,
the whole camming thing. I think the thing that also
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draws me to camming is that like, you know, like I am in the
best way to show off what I can do.
It's someone else in a way of like, you know, like people can
get control links or they're like interacting with me in the
way that I know. I'm also protecting myself in
the best way possible because I feel like there's a big issue
right now with all these whole Queens and you know, I was one
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of them that just like wanted tojust keep on getting bigger and
bigger. Like you look at my toy
collection, I'd say about like 40% of it are toys that like, I
don't even want to play with anymore because they're just
like, too big. Yeah.
But the other thing is, is that like having other performers and
things like that is that like I barely trust anybody with my
whole these days because it's just, it's just hard to find
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people that can actually really do it, you know, and that are
going to be tested and all thosethings.
So amazing that you're bringing that up because my best friend
is he's here in the other room. And we were just talking about
this before the episode started about how difficult it is to
find people that really, truly know what they're doing and who
actually have the experience that they claim that they have,
who know how to read your body language, who know how to take
care of you in a way. Because I mean, I find myself
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meeting new people and when I meet them, it's I'm disappointed
because they're not they they don't read my body, my body
language. And I just recently had an
injury. So the fact that I can still
play is a miracle and itself. I don't want to test the limits.
I just just want to be comfortable fisted, like and so
trust. Trust is such a huge part of
fisting and ask play in general.Yeah, especially when it's your
money maker, like like I would go to sex parties now and I
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barely get fucked because of theaspect of like I I can't afford
it. The risk you mean?
Yeah, just the, the risk, you know, it's my, my income.
I I have like a part time day job but like besides that like
my whole isn't my hole is my entire fucking income for the
most part. And that's, you know, what's
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wild is that I, when I did the episode about my injury, I got
ripped on by this Trump podcast,picked it up and made fun of me
relentlessly about how pathetic I was.
And for, for being so distraughtabout losing my hole.
Imagine Ariana Grande losing hervoice.
Everybody would feel so sorry for her and be so sympathetic to
to her. I lose my butt hole and I've got
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my butt of a joke. Literally, literally.
So it was, it was crazy. So yeah, people don't realize
how we don't realize. I think a lot of content
creators don't realize how important it is to take care of
their own bodies and. How serious what we're doing is
and how we can make it look so easy.
But the amount of training and thought and like understanding
of anatomy that goes into those things.
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And like, you know, and even when I started like, like now I
feel like Hanky's toys has like a really great, you know, when
you buy a toy, they're like, youneed to do all of this here.
You're going to be playing with this shit.
But when I first like did it, they're just like, just like
here, here's this big fucking toy, you know, and luckily, you
know, it's proper soft silicone.And I was lucky enough, but then
there's other toys like, you know, Doc Johnson or like, but
(11:04):
they have just, they're the people are just fucking ripping
apart their intestines. And it's Johnson.
I haven't heard that name in so long.
Yeah, they're saying like this giant fucking PVC Dicks that are
just like. They're not body shape.
At the the the store, you know, like, and it's just whenever I
see like and like you and one ofthe other things of why I don't
like the aspect of like a lot ofthe studio works and why I'm
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excited to do more studio work in like a maybe like a last
extreme kind of way, more like agross girl kind of way, but
they're using the shittiest fucking dildos ever.
Like, I don't get it. Like can we just like?
Yeah. Can we upgrade?
Can we upgrade, please? We.
Really need to upgrade the the porn toys, like the the studio
toys. I don't know what they're
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working with and who's cleaning them, you know?
Yeah, I remember when I I used to work for raw fuck club in the
toy collection that they had there was pretty sad and I was
just like, why don't we get hankies toys or square peg like
this is you know, why don't we just want to go the extra mile
and take care of the models? Because it's these are not body
safe toys. The materials are bad for you.
So it's. Like support that like hankies
gives to their fan base. Like the amount of toys that I
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got for free, Yeah. And then I'll continue to get
for free. It's like, absolutely
ridiculous. I love them so much.
Working with them was a dream come true for me.
I had to harass them for years to finally get my my my dildo
made with them. But it was they were really
great to work with and I had theowner on the show and he was
really super great too, so. How do you feel about people
impersonating your prolapse? Put it in the other way.
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Do you know, is it Arjun? Donna?
Do you know her? Of course, she was on the show
too. Yeah, I think she does it where
she puts it in backwards and it looks like her pro labs, Yes.
How do you feel about? That I was completely honored
and flattered because she beat me to the punch.
Like she we talked about it on the show because my fan base
went like rabid against hers andwas like, you're ripping off
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hunger FF, you know, how dare you, blah, blah, blah.
And she was just kind of, she was so sweet about it when we
talked about it. She was just, she's just the
greatest. I love her so much.
And so it didn't bother me at all.
And I don't think she ever was trying to pass it off as her
own. She was just showing that she
could you. Oh, my God, look at this crazy
new toy. And she told me that when she
put it in backwards, her legs, she didn't cut the base off or
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anything. She put it base in first.
And her ass is. I don't even think I could
handle that. Yeah, so, but she said that her
legs went numb from the. I I feel tingling in my legs if
I take a big enough. I think I have a Gatekeeper 140
now. Like I've taken, I've when I
take it, it's a great fucking time.
But like, I it, it's, I feel it in my fucking feet and I, I
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think that turns me on so fucking much.
It's like, yeah. You feel it in your whole body.
That's how you know it's working, right?
Yeah, for sure. You stream multiple nights a
week, so what's your ritual before going live?
Do you experience a shift between being of the performer
and lean of the person, or do you feel it's kind of all the
same? I feel like I'm pretty much the
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same person throughout my day-to-day life.
I'm very confident. I you know, I know that I'm hot
and like, I know that I can. Yeah.
There's no like turn on that I need to do.
It's mainly just like because I I really like doing it on the
same day as I work my day job. So like I just worked like a 7
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hour day like in the kitchen andthings like that.
And basically I, I just got off,I have some caffeine and then
I'm just right in it because I know if like on my day off, like
I, I don't want to have to deal with camming.
Like I'll edit a little bit, butlike, I just want to have my, my
certain weekends. But yeah, I just set up my
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pleasure futon that I got to piss all over.
I'm sure it's seen better days. She's she's doing pretty good.
I I just got her some some college girl.
But I. Picked it up from, has no idea
what I'm doing with it now. That's funny.
I haven't. I've got like on and off switch
for performing. Like I have Hunger FF persona
and then the Ryan James persona and they're very different.
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Like myself. I'm very kind of quiet in my shy
and Hunger FF is very luck. Yeah, bro.
Like in trash my fucking guts. It's this weird kind of switch.
Like I'll be getting ready to dolike a live show and I'll be so
nervous beforehand. As soon as I walk out on the
stage, it's like boom, like hunger FF turns on and it's like
a different person. I didn't know if that if you
shared any kind of similar experience to that word.
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I think because I really haven'thad it, but enough experiences
like, you know, like when I, when I go to a sex party and
things like that and like I'm FM, you know, I'll, I'll play
into it, you know, like I'll fucking do it, you know.
And like, if somebody really, you know, if I understand like
some tipper's language or like awhale that I know is really
going to like want to see that, I'll turn it up.
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For those of you guys who don't know the term whale, explain the
term whale because. A whale is somebody with lots of
money that is usually just like ready to spend.
And she's like pretty fucking cool.
It's like, you know, I always, Ithink, oh, you know, with my sex
worker friends, we all just likewish that we got to have Hunter
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Biden as a client. I mean, you know, I've gotten
couple whales in my lifetime andit's always very nice because
the I'll walk home from a I'll leave a trip, an escorting trip
with sneakers and they've boughtme luggage and all this crazy
shit and they tip me like an extra 5 grand.
Fuck yeah, this is awesome. But then they.
Either really get it or they're total fucking psychos.
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And then like a year they're going to call you and be like, I
left my wife. Yeah, I'm ready to move in with
you. Yeah, they don't understand the
line. Yeah, that that can kind of
happen. But I think the other persona,
which I think would be really unlocked if I ended up like,
because yeah, if I went to a like if I was the only woman at
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like a fisting party, I think I would be broing down so fucking
hard. What do you mean?
I just like, oh fuck yeah, dude,let's do it.
Like let's fuck. Like just like, yeah, obviously
like I have my, my femme voice and everything, but like I
definitely my Butch and femme personas that like are very much
both me. Yeah, they do kind of ebb and
flow and like I'm ready to bro down with the rest of them half
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the time and be really gross. Well, that actually kind of
segues right into the next question I was going to ask you,
which was you mentioned mentioned the trans fem place in
the fisting and leather community.
What does inclusion look like toyou, and what have been some of
the most affirming or alienatingexperiences that you've had to
deal with while navigating thosespaces?
I think that I'll start with themost alienating part is that I
think a lot of literature and even like you know, I think you
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had them on podcast if this theory.
Yes, yes. Amazing websites literally
godsend for someone to do that. Like I I I've done fisting
classes and I have my info sheetthat I give out to other sex
workers and sell it. But like that is on a whole
nother fucking level. But it's just talking about men.
You know, I got a fucking asshole since women have
assholes like there's and it's just like kind of like
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frustrating to see sometimes. And I think the other aspect is
like with the, you know, the whole accessibility thing as
well for finding good festers and people that I trust is that
like I know if I was able to go to a fisting party that just
happened to be like, it's like leather.
And then it's mostly male centered.
The one in Philly is is male or trans male allowed only.
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And I think in way that to to mirror like the the leather dyke
kind of world and everything is that the sex parties are really
phasing out this whole no sis men kind of vibe, which is
really great. And for a lot of reasons is that
I think that it really alienatesa lot of trans women that they
see this sign that says no sis Med and then they're like, oh
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God, I'm going to go to this party and then I'm just going to
be clocked immediately. I'm going to, you know, there's
going to be tariffs. I'm just going to have a really
scary time. And that's how a lot of sex
parties were for me in the beginning when, you know, I
didn't get facial feminization surgery.
I didn't get massive tits. All I had was my giant hole that
I had before I transitioned and and that's what saved me.
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But if I didn't have that, it would be a lot more terrifying.
Yeah, you know, I can't. I can't imagine how that.
It's really scary to enter a very sexualized space amongst
lots of lots of women where at the forefront it says no CIS
men. So that's exiting from
everything. And we're understanding the
language of that and how it can affect things and kind of like
(19:23):
move into trans misogyny. And I think it's just kind of
time for, you know, and one of the other things too is that
like trans men are allowed into like a lot of the sex parties,
you know, even they're they're like femme focused and it's
because they have the shared experience, you know, of there
is still that connection there. And that's something that you're
like, not all trans men are going to feel and acknowledge
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like, Oh yeah, no, I'm a dude. Or like, no, like, yeah, that's
a part of me that I still want to.
I'm still a dyke, you know, eventhough I'm a fag and, and all
these things, but like, I'm still a fag.
I love. Boys, Yeah.
I will always be that and you know, and just what I'm saying
is like, I want to bro down and just like, you know, watch some
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holes get trashed, get my hole trashed and also know that I'm
in good hands because the amountof leather dyke fisters out
there. It's it's not that not that big.
You know, I tea with a lot of like, like, Oh yeah, I'm into
fisting. But then they're like, oh, but
it's just front holes. You know, and it's like, OK, so
that's frustrating. You're not going to, I'm not
going to trust you go elbow deepin me or nor do I really want
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you to. But yeah, I just really wish I
had that accessibility. Regarding FIS theory, I mean, I
could even, I mean, I'll, I'll shoot him a message and see if
he can maybe possibly include some more literature and
education and. Literature's great.
I mean, he's so fucking smart. Yeah.
One of my friends, Mistress Odette in Austin, went to one of
his classes. Or like, maybe it was online.
And like that it just like was in awe.
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He's done so much homework and so much we're just the amount of
effort and time he's put into developing that curriculum is
really impressive. It's really amazing.
For sure. Lucky to have him on it was.
But yeah, I would love for our time to be kind of like, we
really need community. I feel like there's a, there's
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an aspect where we're really isolated and I, I think there's
also an aspect of like you're, you're answering this, this
whole world amongst trans women that are all they have is to
feel euphoria is being sexualized.
That's how I've felt for a while.
It's a lot of my public photos, even like as a civilian are, you
know, there's not many of them because the only way that I feel
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euphoria is feeling sexualized. So they do that on the Internet
and then they enter this whole kind of porn brain rot thing
that's like, you know, I'm like,what's going to give me the most
views? What's going to give me the most
attention? And like, sadly a lot of that
right now is grace play. There's like a really weird
femme boy race play thing that'sgoing on.
It kind of like associates with the state of our country and
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it's like really messed up. And like us as white people, we
have no right calling ourselves snow bunnies or entering this
BNWO thing. You know, as like as a black
person, you know, you absolutelyhave your right to use the terms
like BBC and everything, but like, as a white person, you
have no right to be capitalizingoff of.
That right, it's and it's so interesting that you talk,
you're talking about this too, because it's just in the
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previous episode was discussing with Brian Bonds about how
sometimes it's teams, the industry rewards us for doing
kind of toxic behaviors. And so I did, I film almost all
my videos completely sober. And then I filmed a video where
I was fucked up and I'm going torelease this just for kicks and
see what happens. And it was the most devoured
video that I had put on the Internet and more people watched
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it, more people engaged with it more.
And I was this is really kind ofshitty.
You know, they just want to see me fucked up and you know, I I
can create this amazing piece ofcontent that's really great and
and and and well shot, well lit,well thought out, planned.
It's really hot. It'll get mediocre, you know,
you know, it's some views. But then I filmed this point of
view fucked up on the spur of the moment.
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Just let's just grab the camera video and just as a social
experiment threw it out and it was everybody just laid it up.
And I'm that kind of validation to keep doing the kinds of
things that are not necessarily that don't make us feel good is
a toxic part of the content creation community, I think.
Yeah, because I'm sure it doesn't make you feel good to
have to do race play, I'm sure. Yeah, and I feel somebody,
there's a lot of the trans womenout there, they're kind of just
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seeing like that's like the nextthing to do.
Or maybe the other issue and whyI'm talking about it is like
they're not social and not enough to to deal with that
because they haven't been able to found that community yet.
So they all they have is just this online community.
You know, it's basically it's almost like 4 Chan.
It's just like a lot of like, and you know, a really great way
to seek that, especially, you know, as like when you're doing
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extreme whole stuff is defined community and to learn.
You know, I never was able to learn.
I got very lucky with my safety.I think I had like one big scare
with like, like probably like spoiled J Lube, which I no
longer use. And like, I am very lucky that I
didn't get hurt or anything. And I, I wish that I had the
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space to, to learn from, from other people and, and go in and
join these, these parties and these communities because we
just, we have assholes just likeeveryone else.
Sure. And we just.
We just want to have a good time.
Exactly. Do you feel that trans women are
fetishized, excluded or celebrated or all three in the
leather scene? And how do you personally
negotiate that tension between the three, between being
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fetishized, excluded? Or celebrated.
We're certainly, definitely all those things.
I think in terms of like when I get into my like close scene and
I get to this like my circle of people that I know, there's less
of like the fetishization of it and more so if anything more to
the exclusion aspect. But yeah, I mean, I think
amongst the, you know, when I'm a grinder, you know, it's like,
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and I mainly just use it for work.
But like, it's just like I do get a ton of gay men that just
want to fuck me. And then like, that's fine.
You know, I'm totally down with that.
But there is the fetishization of that.
And I'd say about like half of them are just waiting to be have
their eggs cracked and realize that they're trans women also,
you know what I mean? They're using you sort of as a a
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catalyst to try to. Negotiate I mean, I'm also sort
of guilty of that. You know, it had my first like
really like honestly, I, I love the term that was used in
another podcast, but the term Lesbro.
Oh yeah. Greatest term ever.
But like I had my first like hole for hole like lesbro
experience with with somebody. And I and I hadn't really known
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that before, but I was also seeking it to have this trans
woman put makeup on me and all these things and like that, you
know, and then I did that and I didn't come out as a trans woman
for like another four years, youknow, and just like something I
did. But yeah, no, I mean, I think
we're very fetishized. We're a very popular part of the
porn industry right now. Yeah, for sure.
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I mean, I, I see it. I mean, I use Lexvid and they
will consume a lot of porn on the tube sites and stuff.
There's always, you know, a lot of it's a good time to be in.
There's something for everybody in porn these days.
There's representation for almost everybody.
For sure. I mean, I do think that maybe,
you know, I think trans women are, you know what they trans
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women are allowed to do whateverthey want to feel good.
But I do think we're leaning a little bit too hard into the the
Sissy like fanboy application. But mainly, you know, I love a
fanboy like I love a Sissy or anything and stuff like that.
But I feel like I'm seeing a lotof trans women do it for the
cloud or do it for the money andthings like that.
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And we need more powerful trans women that are not just
dominatrixes. And I feel like I kind of fit
that role. I think there's like one other
trans woman that I really know of back in the day besides like,
maybe like not only Mars I really love, but her name's
Danny Daniels. I really loved her.
Her persona is that like, she kind of refused to not refuse to
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be submissive in her porn. OK.
She was a big studio like like, you know, she had a huge Dick or
whatever, but like like besides that is like she kind of refused
to do that. And I think we need more of that
and we need more power coming from our identities.
And I think it's a little few and far between right now from
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like the young content creators that I see these days, which
are. I'm filming my first MTF scene
soonish. Actually, a lot of Lana Summers.
Awesome Summers. Oh my God, I love her, she's
great. She's in Fort Lauderdale right
now. Can you shout?
I know she kind of, I think she only like really fucks boys, but
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yeah, put it in a good word. She's gonna fist me on the next
week, I think, so I'm super excited.
I've known her for years and we've just always beat around
the Bush and we're finally doingit, so I'm super excited.
Hold on, I I have a question about the acrylics.
Is she going to be? How do you feel about acrylics
getting fit? Well, I I am my hole is not
nearly as I they're they're coming off so I OK.
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Well, yeah, no for for you for sure, just in case.
I mean, I, I appreciate everybody's aesthetic.
I nothing, nothing gets under myskin really.
I mean, my friend was just talking to me that was here
beforehand. He's like, how do you feel about
what is your thought about transpeople?
And I don't have really thoughtsabout trans people.
I just think that they're just, that doesn't affect my life.
I'm just talking about getting the the nails in there.
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I mean these are rounded. Interesting.
OK. Yeah.
No, no, they have to come off. They have to come off.
I think, you know, I mean when they're manicured and
everything. One thing I do have to say in
that while, because This is why I'm so fucked up, is that I have
actually enjoyed the stilettos in there in your ass because
it's a it's an edge play. Like it's so scary.
Oh. My God.
Yeah, well, I did a toilet brushone time and that shit was.
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Terrible. That wasn't the fucking the
video that I wish I hadn't filmed because it's such it's on
every tweaker website and I was sober when I did it.
It was just it was a dish brush.It was a super soft bristle
bristles and everybody takes toilet brush.
It's a dish brush, bitch. It's not.
It's so soft. It was, it was basically a
little massage, but it looks so much worse than it actually is.
But it's it's one of my most notorious videos.
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It gets purchased all the time. Yeah.
It's honestly IA lot of dominatrixes that I know they
they fist with with Nelson no problem and they're fucking
great at it. OK, well that I mean if that's
the case, I mean, I mean I just you said you mean our holes are
a money maker. So it's.
Yeah, no, I'm definitely all more nervous.
It would only have to be like professional like I think the
one time I actually got triple fisted was at I was teaching a
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class and I think one of them Empress Wu shout out.
And then also I'm a stricted deity.
Daddy, Mommy deity on Twitter. Yeah, I think they all had woo.
Had nails. Sizable, like nails.
I mean, I don't think they were sharp, but you can totally do
it. It's all good.
Yeah. Just gotta be careful.
Or do you like the cotton balls and the gloves?
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Some people do that. Oh, OK, That's interesting.
Yeah, you stuff gloves with in the with cotton balls.
You learn something new every day.
I had never heard of that before.
That's great. Watson shows up with full sets.
You just be like, put those cotton balls in.
Cotton balls in the gloves. What kind of riffs have you seen
between men and women in the leather and fisting world?
And what do you think needs to happen for real community
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healing between the between the two I.
Think it when it comes to the leather world, I think it's
definitely a lot less prevalent.It's like I don't really
consider the base fisting community as leather or kinky.
No, neither do I, I think. I think it used to be rooted in
leather and now it's really become a film thing.
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I mean I don't think fisting is kinky.
I have 100% I. Not anymore.
I don't know, I just think it's the most intimate way that you
could ever fuck someone. And it's just like, it's just
the best way. Sorry we figured it out.
But like if I'm like telling somebody while they're like
elbow deep inside me and their hands poking out in my tummy and
I'm like, somebody's telling me this is how you're going to die.
And I'll be like, Oh my God, that's so hot.
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Yeah, that's kinky. That's but like, yeah, no.
But like in terms of like the community, the leather
community, I feel like it's lessof an issue, especially when it
comes down to like the artistic aspect of it.
But when it comes to like the circuit gay community, I think
there's it's a big rift. I think a lot of leather dykes
might be just kind of they are still men haters, which I think
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is like really annoying at times.
And I can't really say I can't really speak for the the CIS
male community on, on how they think of women in their spaces
and everything I I know about like how some trans men are
still not really treated well ina lot of spaces, which is like
really fucked up. But.
One trans inclusive fisting party 11 time years ago, it was
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called War of the Roses. It was in Detroit.
He created a space that was for men, women, trans.
It was a fully integrated sex party and it was really kind of,
I went in there with the intention to get fisted by, by,
you know, a woman or somebody and I just didn't vibe with
anybody. So it's, it was my, my, my
intention was there, but I just didn't click with anybody or
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nobody clicked with me. And so it happens.
Yeah, sometimes it happens. And so I was okay.
Was it whatever. But, you know, I, I've never
been opposed to the idea. I mean, I feel I'm, I'm just a
sexual creature and I appreciatebeauty and sexuality in whatever
form it takes. And so I just wish more people
thought like that and they weren't so concerned about being
male only. And, you know, this is a male
only space. Come on, man.
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We're all just, we're all tryingto have a good time.
Everybody's trying to have a good time.
Yeah. And I think like, yeah, I think
the the first step to end this rift within the the men and
women, women parts of the leather community or just like
like queer parties is just like get rid of this whole no sis,
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men, no women shit. You know, the people that want
to be there will show up like they, they kind of weed
themselves out. Like the the bad people always
just eventually weed themselves out of the party.
Yeah, or, or we weed them out for them.
For sure, yeah. And like.
They do something stupid and then they're just kind of exiled
anyways on their own. Yeah, and I think there's an
issue right now of like, obviously I think one of the
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things I was told, it wasn't by the group, but it was by someone
else's. Like when I complained about the
Philly Fisters club being men only, I was like the person was
like, why don't you just start your own thing?
And I'm like, I'm a trans woman.I don't have a lot of money, I
don't have a lot of time. I don't like know a lot of
people, a lot of people don't want to rent me a space.
And it's like that for a lot of us, you know, we need the less
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marginalized communities to openup their spaces because we don't
have the resources to do that. But in terms of like the rift
and everything, it's just like we that's the first step and
understand that we're all just like, just like sexual creatures
just trying to do. Get our rocks.
Off when you're in that like a binary space and it's like a
little bit like, you know, when there's gay, gay people and then
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there's just like there's lesbians and gays or whatever
and you don't want to fuck assist man, that's fine.
I think that's OK when there's ageneral preference in that.
But yeah, we just need to get over it.
Yeah, I mean, everybody just needs to mind their own fucking.
I mean, just in my opinion. I mean, if my sex life is not
gonna be impacted by a woman having sex next to me, I'm not.
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I'm just, that's just how I am. I'm just so low key and chill.
I'm just like, whatever, do yourthing, have a good time.
But not everybody thinks like that.
It's sort of I think that the newer, younger generation is a
lot more hopefully a lot more friendly and accepting towards.
Yeah, I think like the another thing that I want to say about
like us that trans women coming to your parties or any of this
trans people general, you don't have to ask us a pronouns.
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You don't have to do any fuckingwork.
Like there's no work we're asking you to do for us that you
need to perform or any of these things.
Just let us in and just like, you know, perceive us and that's
really it. And just just give us the space.
Yeah, OK, let's, let's give us the space.
That's the that's the quote. Just give us the space, give us
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the room. Give us as much space as I have
in my con. Yeah, exactly.
So I have about like 30 more minutes before I need to get to
head out because I I'm dying to see Fantastic Four.
I'm like so excited and I have to go pick up my friend on the
way to pick up Alex Tikas on theway to go see this.
Movie I'm going to get fixed by Pedro Pascal, so.
Bad Me Too is so fucking beautiful.
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He's so psyched. Definitely fisted for sure.
Yeah, he looks like a freak. You know who else I think is
fisted is Heidi Klum, because she saw my My Prolapse video on
YouTube. You can look up a video of Sofia
Vergara and Heidi Klum watching Hunger FF videos.
No way. Yeah.
And so did you. Did you?
Scream when you found that out. There's Heidi Klum, Sharon
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Osbourne, Johnny Knoxville, Ray J, JoJo Siwa, Howie McDowell,
Doctor Phil, all these celebrities reacting to my
videos and it's really kind of amazing.
And so if you ever so if you ever got, I was horrified.
But Heidi Klum was unfazed, unbothered, dim blink.
And so she's like, what do you think, Sophia?
And she's like, is this, I don'teven know, is this real?
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And Sophia's Heidi was just, I think Heidi's a Heidi's a freak
underneath it all. Oh, for sure, yeah.
Someone's outfit exactly. So your clips and streams are
packed with intense fetish energy.
What are some of your favorite kind of scenes to perform, and
how much of what you do is fantasy versus your authentic
desires? I think everything that I do is
really rooted in my desires and in fantasies.
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Except for. I mean, I wore like, a really
stupid schoolgirl outfit the other day.
I just, like, didn't vibe with it, but like, I knew it would
sell and like, I wanted to. I'm still experimenting with my
femininity. You know, I, I called myself a
Butch for a while, but then I got massive tits and now I'm
just like, like, hell yeah, let's wear more dresses.
But yeah, I the kind of content I like, I'm really getting into
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like piss and just like being gross in general.
I think what was that Raunch sells.
Raunch it does sell and it yeah I in terms of the intensity you
know I I just like like to get fucked really hard and I I I
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don't have a lot of videos with the the fuck saw I've kind of
retired it because I got addicted and it was really have
you gotten the. Sawzall before I have the
Cyclops XL fuck machine. Oh.
I have the Kong but I I haven't really been using it.
It's actually at my ex's place, but I used to use them events.
It's a little hard to. It's a little hard to use like.
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Yeah, they're I kind of feeling like the maker.
Yeah, it's hard to line my body up in the way to get fucked
correctly with it. So it's like I, I, I wish I
could use it more often, but it's like it's such a nightmare
to kind of put it up and get it set up so I don't.
Nobody understands whether theseintense, gross scenes and then
you're filming it by yourself asa whole, doing it.
You're just covered in Lube. I don't think you understand how
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gross and the year like you got all these, especially if you
like you want multiple angles and like want to do a nice job
and that like you're just like it feels like I'm fucking
playing Twister with myself. Yeah.
And I'm just slippery and like just getting Lube over all my
expensive equipment trying. Fucking hit the record button
when your. Fingers Oh my trying not to get
Lube on my lens because I know that shit's not coming off for a
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very long time yeah I'm. So funny.
So I feel like whenever I whenever I make content like and
I don't, I don't do it very often.
I kind of like spur into like one session over like a few
hours and I'll be like really into it and really turned on.
But I'm giving it my all becauseI know that like, it's going to
take forever for me to clean this up and everything.
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I really just go for it. Do you have a dedicated play
space or do you just kind of like?
I have my room now which is has so much sunlight in it, but
before I had my my, my last bedroom was like quite small,
not very lit and just dealing with artificial light.
Yeah, which is really annoying. As you can see, I love
artificial light. No, your room is gorgeous and
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all that. It's very gay.
Everything in my house is pink. And I'll take pictures and show
you. I'll text you the rest of my
apartment. It's very much yeah.
I love it. It's pretty crazy.
So how has your relationship to fisting evolved over time?
Personally, sexually, professionally?
And what's your fisting origins story?
I think my fisting origins storyis like, I think I just stumbled
upon like an some ads when I waslike a teenager watching porn,
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gay porn, and I was just like, whoa.
I just like being drawn to it a little bit more.
But then I just think I just always have wanted more and more
in my my hole. And I can relate.
Yeah, no, there's just somethingabout it.
It just catches us. And I just became very addicted.
I didn't always have the the biggest hole.
I think the first time a fist got in there was like, and it
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didn't even really hurt that much, but there were so much
blood. I was so.
Scared like I just ended up bleeding for like a couple years
just whenever I played like slightly and then I took some
time off when I had my surgeriesand now I don't bleed at all.
I don't. Fucking lose any of that and I'm
like so grateful that like, but part of that is due to my
relationship with fisting for sure.
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I became very, very goal oriented in the terms of my
play. And I think it's a little
problematic and it's something that all holes kind of go
through of that. Like they just, you just want to
do more and more because you hitthat euphoria of like taking in
a new plug, Like when I when I start sizing up the gatekeepers
from top toys and you just finally get it in and you're
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like, oh fuck, take it out to get up there and then like, all
right, well, now let's go back in.
Let's go back in. He's like, yeah.
And then I feel like, you know, I was just getting to a point
where like I knew that if I kepton stretching it further, it
might affect me in like my day-to-day life.
And like, you know, when I have to clean out, even if I'm just
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doing like regular sex because my 2nd hole is so stretched out.
So I have to clean the whole fucking thing now.
Sure. Because there's no like there's
no barrier that usually most normal people have the 2nd hole
just like protecting anything actually happening.
I remember when I had a second hole so I used to say I got
bulldozed through that shit a long time ago.
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Yeah, no. And that was fun in itself like
and yeah, I think yeah, it's just stop being goal oriented
and just really be in the moment.
And I think the emotions for me are really what what gets me is
like, I know that I've been fucked really good when I start
crying or if I'm non verbal and I'm shaking in and of puddle of
my own juices. And I think the only thing
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that's like go oriented for me left, and it probably won't ever
happen in my life, is I would love to be shoulder deep.
Oh yeah. Why do you think that won't
happen? It's really like once.
The anatomy aspect, once you can, I know it's going to take
some time. What were you saying?
Once you get past the elbow, it's really not, you're not
actually going any further. You're just stretching.
You're just kind of adjusting your arm.
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You don't actually go straight in.
It's AC shape, so it's like. Huh, boys, I need boys, I need
men to fuck me because they, I need to go to these sex parties,
these gay like just the male oriented sex parties because I
just, I've never met somebody asthey've gone shoulder deep, let
alone a woman. And I also have a theory that
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like, have you ever met anybody that goes shoulder deep that's
like below the age of 35? I mean me, OK, I mean, I'm 36,
but I mean I've been shoulder deep for the last like 6 years.
So I mean, I know couple, maybe not not many, not many, but I
was, I'm a weird kind of freak of nature.
I was born with two feet of freefloating colon that's not
attached to my bodies. I was born with a genetic
advantage. So yeah, I think my my story is
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a little bit different, but. I feel like shoulder deep thing.
It's like especially, you know, even like the leather aspect of
like the ranks of like the players and everything.
There's just a maturity aspect of you can tell when somebody
shoulder deep that like, and I feel like whenever and look at
the amateur porn or porn in general on the Internet where
somebody, a man getting shoulderdeep is like they're older
because they've been doing it a while.
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Yeah. So I'm like, I'm patient about
it. I know it probably won't happen
for a while, but I I think I canget up to the elbow but.
I'm closing on 20 years of this thing.
It's crazy. Congratulations as a teenager,
basically. So you're incredibly consistent
with your branding and your scheduling.
What advice would you give to other performers, especially
trans fems trying to build an independent business in fetish
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corner cami? When you do it, make sure that
you really give it your all and it's something that you want to
do. If you're dealing with dysphoria
as a trans woman and you are really wanting to make a lot of
content, be aware that you're going to be editing pictures of
your videos of your fucking facethe entire time.
And I stopped making porn for a while because I couldn't look at
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my face anymore. And then I got facial
feminization surgery. I'm still have more to do, but
now I can look at myself and feel happy with my body.
And I think like, a lot of just people in general have that
issue. But especially when somebody has
gender dysphoria, which is like,put somebody to the level of,
like, you know, where life mightnot even feel worth living.
Yeah. That's so sad.
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Yeah, especially when you want to make porn and like you say,
the art that you want to do and you want to, you just can't look
at yourself. And that's like 90% of content
creation is just looking at yourself on a fucking screen.
Right, yeah, I know guys that don't like to edit their own
videos cuz they don't like to watch themselves.
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And I'm like, I get off on editing my own videos.
Oh my God, I jerk off when I edit some of my videos.
It's like I'm like, fuck, that was hot.
I think what got me into wantingto make porn is that we used to
have a projector up on the screen on my wall and I would
have my laptop webcam facing my hole while like my ex would be
like fisting me so I could watchit get destroyed at the same
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time. Yeah it is great.
Yeah, always been a fan, but face aspect of that don't just
like really focus on not burningout and understand that like it
could be going really well and then it like doesn't because of
laws right now and like fan sites shutting down.
Yeah, it's a scary time to be a content creator, actually.
(45:05):
For sure, yeah. It's, it's a weird, especially
somebody, I mean, I own my own website and it's I'm not staying
abreast on all of the, the laws as I should be.
And so it's, I know that there'sgoing to be a wall coming soon
where it's I'm going to have to make some changes to my site and
I'm not. Moving, yeah.
And I know that's like how many?Can I ask you how like is it
like 6 figures of what you invested in your website or no?
But to build my website was not 6 figures, it was 5.
(45:27):
And so it was. It cost me all the money that I
had saved at the time and then Imade back what I spent on the
first month of sales, so. That's fucking wild.
Yeah, it was a perfect thing. So I made back the entire
investment in one month, which was amazing.
And then the industry is shifting.
And so I just did an episode theother day about oversaturation
in the market. And there's so many fisters now
that it's I'm, I am struggling to kind of figure out how to
(45:49):
maintain relevancy in an industry that's so oversaturated
with fisters that can do the same things that I can do now
'cause it used to just be kind of me and a couple other people.
Now there's so many people that do the same type of content that
it's, it's difficult. So I'm it's why I started the
show. It's why I started, I wrote a
book. It's I mean, I'm trying to do
things that are kind of outside of just straight up content to
stay kind of separated and different.
(46:12):
And it's a journey. It's like it's coming to terms
with the fact that my 15 minutesmight be kind of closing up on
me. I'm a little bit anxious about
that. And so because I don't want to.
I like being hungry FFI like doing adult content.
I like doing porn. I've been doing it my entire
life basically. So it's a little bit scary to
know that just with the oversaturation of the market
that the stay relevant and then to have lost my prolapse, the
size that it was the thing that made me unique or different.
(46:34):
I'm like when I was, so it's thank you.
I hope so. My surgeon's hopeful, my
surgeon's really great. So I am going to ask one more
question and then we're going togo into what, where people can
find out more about you, where you work and how they can
contact or get, get, get more content from you And what
boundaries have you had to learnthe hard way with sex work,
anything, especially when it comes to fans or parasocial
(46:57):
relationships. I know that I've, I've struggled
with parasocial relationships myself where people feel that
they know you even though they don't really know you because
they just watched your content. And so it's, there's this idea
that they, you know, they know you, but you don't know them.
And I actually had a fan show upat my house one time.
And so once my trademark went live and my, my address became
public record, I just somebody show up at my house.
(47:18):
And so have you struggled, but have you had any boundaries or
anything, any lessons you've hadto learn the hard way when it
comes to sex work? I think the, the aspect for me
is in terms of like the para socially or just even socially
is that as a sex worker, as a full service sex worker, when I
have sex for fun and it's with somebody that like I care about,
I need that time to be really respected.
(47:40):
And you know, it might just be like sex for someone, but like
it takes a lot out of me to likewant to I end this together and
like want to do that with you and finding people that can
understand that and have that patience for you as a sex
worker. We're like, it's my job, it's
what I do the most. I spend 6 hours right week with
the fuck machine fucking me for most of those six hours.
(48:03):
And it doesn't seem like a lot, but it really takes a lot out of
me. Yeah, in terms of like, people
like overstepping and like it may be making me feel unsafe.
I was a moist high fighter for about 6 years.
OK, so if anybody ever wants to try me, they can go for it.
I because I, I do have some videos with my motorcycle, which
I feel like is quite identifiable and identifiable
(48:25):
And you know, I have massive tits.
So like like and I like to look hot on my bike and like, I
guarantee that some people have probably saw me and I think I've
had a people on like grinder message me like, oh, it's hi, I
saw you in there. And like, I do get afraid
sometimes, but for the most part, yeah, no, I'm quite
(48:47):
unkillable. And I really love that about
myself. But yeah, I, I think that one
thing is a sex word that bothersme is finding close
relationships with people and having them understand what you
do can take a lot out of you andthat, you know, that you're
still a person. And then God forbid you have
like a friends with benefits that like you just want to come
(49:08):
over and like have them come over and fuck and then they feel
entitled to you. Yeah, I feel like the the
entitlement thing is like the the biggest thing for me.
Yeah, it's a misunderstanding about what sex workers go
through fundamentally is a mental kind of the things it
does to us mentally, the the walls it puts up in our brains
and the the the situations that we find ourselves in.
(49:28):
Unless you're also a sex worker,you're never going to truly
understand what happens. I am like a 90% sex worker for
sex worker these days. Like, yeah, that's, that's the
only way I I really want to fuckthese days.
Yeah, it's I still, I try to have a good work life balance
where I fuck for fun still also fuck for content.
But it's I used to have a really, I used to only film
content and not have sex for fun.
(49:50):
And I realized quickly that thatwas not good for my mental.
Health that was in there, it's bad.
Yeah, I need to do to take care of what my own needs are.
So, you know, this has been amazing.
I feel I learned quite a bit about your experience and I
realized that we have a lot morein common than I anticipated.
Just hearing some, some of the things that you said.
I'm like, man, like, you know, I, I really not man, no, no,
(50:14):
damn it, my first fuck up, I hadto throw in one of them my first
fuck up and it took me, you know, I just feel we have a lot
in common and I would like to just continue this conversation
in text afterwards. I I feel you've got a lot more
in common than I realized and. I even want to go to fist fest.
I am like desperate to go to Fizz Fest and.
(50:34):
Yeah, I don't know what, I don'tknow what what their policies
are, but hopefully they're I've heard.
Of one transformer going. But OK, awesome.
Well, where can we? Where can people find more about
you on the Internet? You can find me on Twitter or
also known as stupid name X Lenaunder score vesper.
You could find me on my main site which has basically almost
all my content is Fansley fab house.
(50:57):
These are all Lena under score Vesper and then you can find me.
So you can you can include if you want to send me a text with
all of your link, your links andstuff.
I'll include it in all the the advertisements and stuff for the
for. Sure, yeah, and then you could
find me streaming on Chatterbait, Strip Chat and
Fansly. Amazing.
And you could literally fuck me and like my my thing is, is like
(51:20):
try and break me and is that what happened?
Like don't test me out of outside circumstances, but
nobody ever breaks me. Lena, this has been amazing.
I really appreciate your time you guys.
If you guys are enjoying prolapse, we are on Amazon,
Apple podcasts, YouTube and Spotify.
Video episodes go live on Spotify as soon as I'm done
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We're growing rapidly, but if it's still, I need your help to
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(52:01):
informative and an important episode.
And I'm really, like I said, grateful for your time.
So we will see you guys again next week.
Have a great night everybody. Thanks for going deep with me on
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(52:23):
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