Episode 52: Lights, Camera, Dungeon: Inside Falcon Fetish with Jasun Mark

Brolapse turns 1 year old this week, and I couldn’t think of a better guest to celebrate with than Jasun Mark — the director behind Falcon’s Fetish Force, Fisting Central, Club Inferno Dungeon, and more.

In this anniversary episode, Jasun shares his journey from cutting video in Toronto to directing for Jake Cruise, TitanMen, and beyond. We dive into his transition into fetish and fisting films, his collaborations with iconic performers, and his philosophy on why fisting should be fun, safe, and full of laughter — not fear.

We talk porn history, directing styles, performer stories, fisting aesthetics, creative risks, and even the crazy GoPro-on-a-fist experiment that changed the game. Jasun opens up about imposter syndrome, mainstream projects, and what excites him most about his future in fetish porn.

If you love fisting, queer history, and unfiltered conversations, this is one episode you don’t want to miss.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Broil Apps, the fisting podcast that goes deep
explore my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back.
We're here for the 52nd episode of Brolapse one year
anniversary. I couldn't be more excited if
you would have told me a year ago that the show would still be

(00:21):
going on a weekly format and that I would never have missed
an episode so far. I probably would have told you
were crazy, but we here we are. And so I'm very excited about
today's guest, Jason. Mark, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much for having me.
Yeah, tell me, who are you? Oh man, there's an open
question. So I got my start in the porn
industry in about 2002. I was working for a small

(00:43):
website in Toronto. I was just doing like feeder
websites and stuff. And their video editor quit and
I had studied film at York. And so I just kind of said,
well, I can, I can edit. And that kind of led me down the
rabbit hole. I got a job working with frat
men in Los Angeles, my first jobin America, which was pretty
exciting. And I eventually started

(01:03):
shooting a lot of their sort of bonus content.
That led to a job working with Jake Cruz and cocksure men and
straight guys for gay eyes wherehe, he allowed me basically he,
he essentially created a site for me to direct called Cocksure
Men. And I literally just used it for
three years to learn how to direct.

(01:26):
Oh, yeah. That was, that was, I don't want
to say it was my baby, but that was the site that he just kind
of handed to me and went make itwhat you wanted.
And I had a blast with it. And I I worked for him for about
3 1/2 four years. And then I started kind of
looking for other opportunities because, you know, you kind of
feel like you're going to rut sometimes.
And I was, I started taking sidegigs and I did remember Dirty

(01:50):
Tony. No, I don't.
OK, well, I, I worked with DirtyTony and he had a site called, I
think military classified. And there was a bunch of stuff
that he was doing. And then I worked for Dominic
Ford, who who runs Just for Fansnow.
Yeah, he was just on. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I was working for him.
He he had a reality show that hewas shooting in Florida and Key

(02:12):
West called So You Think You CanFuck.
And I was yeah. And so I was there kind of
helping Co direct season 2 and we were in Key West.
That was the most insane whirlwind shoot that I've ever
been on. We started at like 8:00 in the
morning. I think we got back to the hotel
at like midnight. We were shooting 4 scenes in a
day. We had two crews going at all

(02:32):
times. I'm shooting 3D porn and I'm
blind. And one like it was literally
bonkers, like just, yeah, crazy.And while we were there, my
phone rings and it was Brian Mills from Titan Men.
And he said, he said, listen, I need someone to come and work
next week. Do you want to come hang out on
set with us in in Palm Springs? We're shooting a movie.

(02:54):
I would like to have you there shooting some, some of the bonus
content behind the scenes. You know, I kind of like I I, I
like your help. And I was like, fuck yes.
And as soon as I hung up, Keith Webb from Titan Men immediately
calls me and says they need someone.
They're testing you. This is your audition.
Just oh. Wow.

(03:14):
Right. And I'm like, I already figured
that out. Like.
That's awesome. So I got there and it was, it
was such a surreal thing. So I walk in and I meet Brian
and I meet the crew and he walksme back into the kitchen and
Spencer Reed is there. And I had worked with him like a
week before. So I got the Big Bear hug, you
know, and he's like 9 feet tall.So I kind of come up to his
boobs. And then Shay Michaels was there

(03:38):
and we chatted and then FrancoisSagat was there and I was like,
oh, Francois Sagat. What year?
Was that 20/12/2011? OK, yeah.
And he was doing a movie called Incubus.
It was like his big return to porn and he and he was sitting
there and I just said, you know,you and I met about four years

(04:00):
ago and I he's like, I don't speak English and I'm like that
just like a 2 month in the Bronx, right, like an Atlantic.
And he's just like, and so and out of the corner of my eye, I
saw the two, the production assistant and Brian, their heads
just went like that. And I'm like.

(04:21):
I got it. Just kept going.
My French is really rusty now, but again, that was like what,
gosh, 14 years ago? So I need to go back to Montreal
and immerse myself again. Sorry, you asked me who I was.
I'm a director. I was lead director for Titan
Men. I was I was VP of marketing and
and director for Copter Men and J Cruz.

(04:43):
And when Titan Men finally decided to call it a day, I left
the industry for a year. And then one day Trent Ducati
called me and said, listen, I'm working on a hothouse movie.
I could use your help. Do you want to come back to
porn? And I'm like, I am there.
Just give me like the day and date.
And I showed up on set. I felt like Norma Desmond
walking back onto the film set. It was just the most amazing

(05:04):
feeling like going. Sorry no bro, I mean.
Never tell anybody that I did that.
I can relate. I mean, when I, I stopped doing
RJ Danvers, which was my first iteration of porn for five
years, and then when I came back, I don't know what it is
about porn, but it just makes mecomfortable in front of a video
camera. I'm comfortable in front of, you

(05:24):
know, it's just something about it.
It just makes me feel like I still, 20 years later, still
love performing so. You know, and, and it, it is a
brotherhood. And it's not just it's not just
that I love the work and it's not just that I love the people
and I love the bond. I love everything about this
industry and it I'm among my people again.
But yeah, I mean, there is this weird brotherhood among all like

(05:47):
you and I have never met in person.
Right, right. OK, good.
We so often someone was like Jason, we hooked up.
Oh, shit. Don't you remember?
That's that has happened before.But no, you know, but I already
feel this sort of like kinship with you, you know, like we're
already making the bro jokes and.
All that. Yeah.
Well, man, I mean, we know. I mean I started.

(06:10):
We've been friends on Facebook for a long time.
Yeah, and I started on, I started in the industry in 2007
straight out of high school. So I got my Raging Stallion
exclusive contract at at 18 years old, I was the youngest
person to ever sign with them. So I think partially why I'm so
comfortable in front of the camera is because almost all of
my first gay sexual experiences happened in front of a camera.

(06:31):
But my first orgy, my first liketaking cum in the swallowing
loads, like all that stuff, I was just like, and new and green
and just like, no idea what I was doing, no idea what I was
getting myself into. But yeah, and that was a
different era. That was a different.
Arabic there. It so was a different time and
you know, the Internet was stillkind of the wild frontier at

(06:51):
that point. And that was 2007 you said yeah,
so that was that was the first year because we I used to go to
the Phoenix convention, right. And those of us on the online.
So it's like frat men, J Cruise,Sean Cody, a couple of the other
websites. And we were kind of the people
under the stairs, right? Like we were, they own those

(07:13):
guys. And then the big studio people,
you know, from from, you know, she, she and Steven Scarborough
and you know, some of the big names and all of that were, you
know, would kind of sit over in the corner and Dane to speak to
us occasionally and. As in.
Yes, yes, exactly. And 2007 I remember was the year
that I think it was Steven Scarborough saw me yet like the

(07:36):
the mixer at the first day. And he comes barreling up to me
like like a Raging Bull. And I'm like, oh shit, what did
I do? And he's like, can I take you to
dinner? I need to talk with you and pick
your brain. And I'm like, OK.
And we had a great time. And he even offered me a job
then. And I was just like, no, I don't
want to move to San Francisco. I'm happy with what I'm doing.

(07:57):
And but you know, I can give yousome pointers and stuff.
And you know, it's funny becauseeventually I did end up working
for Hothouse, so. So were you something just
additional kind of porn at that point?
Like not not not fetish porn, but just like.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah. It was all, it was all extremely
vanilla stuff. Like every so often we'd, you
know, get really kinky and do like a tickle scene or something

(08:18):
like that, you know. You know, I think we did
spanking once like it was all itwas.
So how did the transition to to Fisting and Fetish and Club
Inferno and Fisting Central and Fetish first start?
I mean, first of all, you know, when I, when I got the job with
Titan Men and they hired me kindof on the strength of the Coxer
Men stuff and there's only one production team, right.

(08:39):
So I would be, I would be directing the feature from Titan
Men content. And I was there with Paul Wilde,
who would be my second camera, but then he would direct the
Titan Rough and I was his secondcamera.
Titan Rough was their fetish line right?
It was their fetish line. Yeah.
So that was where I shot my first fisting scene.
It was where I shot my first piss scene.

(09:00):
I also, just as a funny aside, pissing scenes, they were all a
little like, girly squeamish about it.
And I was just like, what? You want me to go lie on that
pool of piss? I'm gonna ask me twice, you
know, so. Oh, yes, seriously, every one of
those movies, I would come home just reeking of piss because I
was, I was just like wallowing. Yeah, yeah.

(09:21):
And and they were just, they were like, we can give you
another shirt. And I'm like, guys, I'm OK.
I can I can drive back to my. Hotel hazard that you don't
really bother by. You know, and it's funny because
people ask me all the time, like, do you ever get cum on
yourself? And I'm like, listen, if you're
going to get freaked out and squeamish about that, this is
the wrong industry for you. Yeah, exactly.
You know, And listen, sometimes there's the code Brown,

(09:43):
sometimes there's a cleanup on Illinois 6.
You know, you just got to roll with it because it's it's part
of the job. Dolan Wolf told me one time that
the human body is an Organism and not a machine.
And so when he told me that, I was like, Oh my God.
OK, he's right. We can't expect our bodies to be
machines at all times like. Yeah, exactly.

(10:04):
And I mean, you know, especiallywhen you're doing fisting
content, the clean out, the the prep and all of that.
Some of the guys like usually bythe time that they're actually,
they get it and they understand.And, but every so often we'll
get someone who's, you know, relatively new to doing it on
camera and they're all embarrassed.
So I have to go clean it, you know, and we're just like, all
right, go ahead. And they're all embarrassed and
I will always sit them down and go.

(10:25):
Your body does not always cooperate, all right?
It is, it does its own thing andyou work within it.
And I won't embarrassed the performer.
It wasn't actually a Titan roughshoot.
It was just a straightforward Titan shoot.
We had a relatively new bottom and we got a little bit of
leakage and I just went clean upand I just said to him, OK, you

(10:46):
go look after that. We'll look after this.
And who's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
And we're just like, dude, it just be back.
Everybody poops and he went and cleaned up and then, you know,
the production assistant and this was Titan, man.
There were three of us. There was me, Darius Union and
Don Simmer and that was it. We were cameramen, directors,
grips, lighting, everything likedrive the guys to the airport.

(11:08):
What's that more like big budget?
They always felt like big productions.
We had huge budgets and we had fantastic stuff and we also had
like a full day to shoot whatever we wanted.
Right now your production budgets and times and
constraints were that was a lot tighter, you know.
Were you part of the Funhouse movie?

(11:28):
No, that was I was still at J Cruz at that point.
I think that was winning 2010. It was like about a year and a
half, two years before I started.
That was one of my. Favorite type movies ever.
It was like, that's fantastic. It's it's so weird and so, so
hot. I was.
Actually just chatting with somebody recently, I don't know
if I'm allowed to talk about this, but I'm going to anyway,

(11:50):
saying that I kind of want to cry something like that again
because it's not a whole lot of stuff.
And people went nuts for that. Like that was, I would love to
do something like really fucked up like that.
So that was a. Really big movie.
And I remember there was there was a there was fisting in that
movie. I remember that.
Or it was in the the extended version or whatever.
And I'll ask you one more question.
Just as a fanboy, did you ever shoot Rick Van Sant?

(12:12):
No, OK. He was.
He was just before my time, OK. Yeah, he was like my, like I
was, man, I had such a crush on him.
So I met him one time. It was before my, before I
really became a Fister. And he was just didn't, didn't
really give me the time of day. And then so I, yeah, I just, I
always wanted to always wanted to work with him.
So maybe I can yank him out of retirement or something one day

(12:34):
every SO. Often I'll hear from somebody
who's been gone for a long time,and they'll be like, hey, would
you have me back? And I'm like, what do you look
like right now? And they'll send me pictures and
they're in shooting shape. And I'm like, yeah, absolutely.
There's an. Stop factor.
I mean, I mean, I had Matthew Paris.
Matthew Paris was supposed to come here and stay with me.
Oh, wow, just last week. And then he had some issue with

(12:56):
his passport and he had to cancel the trip.
So I was super bummed. Well, we've had this trip
planned for months and I was like the OG, like the OG king of
this thing is coming to stay at my house.
What the fuck? So nice.
So I was so bummed when it when it kind of fell apart, but
hopefully it'll come back later.But yeah, I hope you do do
something kind of similar in that vein.
I think I. Think it would be fun and I mean

(13:16):
I I kind of like creepy weird porn right so the idea of doing,
you know, like a fisting movie with a clown top, you know, and
and you know a young Carney who has no idea what's going on face
down in the straw. Sorry I'm I'm writing.
No, when I'm when I'm back together, when I'm in one piece

(13:37):
again, like keep me in mind for that weird movie because.
Absolutely I would. I would love to cast you in
something. I think it would be great.
I just got to wait, you know, My, the other.
I mean, I'm sure I'm your friends on Facebook.
So you saw what happened. Let's get back.
To that bit where I said I wouldso love to cast you in a movie.
So if we can ever make that work, I know you got stuff going
on right now. We all do.
And, and I mean, I'm, I'm bookedup pretty much now until

(14:00):
January, but we'll, we'll make it work.
We'll figure it out. It would be amazing because I
mean, like I said, I mean like if A wanted to know you and B
wanted to collab on something, this is great start.
So awesome. So all right, so let's talk
about what it's like filming guys with fisting on on set.
How important is it for you thatthe guys are generally into
fisting, genuinely into fisting When they're on set, I mean.

(14:22):
Very, but for a lot of reasons. First of all, like you know, if
you've ever worked with a fisting top who's just not into
it, you can tell that he is not enjoying it.
But on top of that, to be a goodtop, you have to enjoy it
because half of more than half of the job of the fisting top is
to ride the waves of the bottom,right?

(14:43):
Like you're not just there stuffing a Turkey, right?
You're there riding his, you're surfing the waves, right?
He's, he's high, you're high. And he starts to Crest.
And then you bring it down and you bring it up and you know
when he needs more of a break and you stop it and you part it
apart and you do all of that. You need to be really into it

(15:06):
and really understand what he wants.
And you've got to be able to read those signs.
And yeah, I mean, I'm sure that there's some guys who can fake
it, but it's best to have somebody who's clearly really
enjoying it. You know, I've seen, I've seen
some amazing scenes. I've shot some great scenes
where the top is just having more fun than the bottom is what

(15:27):
you just. Sent me, I mean, because I had
sort of gotten out of Club Inferno Fisting Central Fetish
force type videos for a while. I just kind of my taste became
more like amateur style. But then you showed me a trailer
the other day that was just fucking amazing.
Well, thank you. Yeah, it was super hot.
Do you know which one? Because I sent you 2 recently.
I think it's not. The one, the first one you sent

(15:47):
me with, the guy that I said I was like, who is this Bow guy?
I think his name is Bow. Oh, Bruce.
Bruce. Yeah, I was.
Like who is this guy? I've never seen him before.
His whole is amazing. But that that's that whole.
The way it's edited together, the sex that looks super great.
I'm really. Proud of that movie.
You know, I've I've only just been kind of handed the mantle
of directing the The Club Inferno in Fisting Central and I

(16:09):
feel like my career has been headed in this direction for a
really long time. So when when Trenton sat me down
and said we want you to take over these and kind of make that
your focus with Fetish 4. So I've now got 3 signs plus
trailer trash boys that I'm doing.
So I'm juggling a lot of balls in the air and and you know, 3/4
of your job is finding the guys.Yeah, you know.

(16:31):
I did casting for Raw Fuck club for a year and it was it's.
And it's happened so many times where I'm totally set.
I am totally ready. I'm going to go to bed because
we have to be ring. Hi Jason.
I'm sorry I can't do it for somereason or just recently.
I won't mention who it was. He hadn't done studio porn.

(16:51):
He don't done fan stuff. He was in his car on the way to
Palm Springs. It's 11:00 at night.
I'm in bed asleep. And I get like, you know, and
it's like do not disturb, disturb.
Anyway, I got one of those textsand it wasn't even him.
It was the scene Partner told methat he chickened out, turned
around and drove back to Los Angeles and he was going to call

(17:14):
me in the morning to tell me. And I'm like, you're going to
wait until I walked on SAT. I'm like.
God, but you know. What I called, I called, I
called Trenton, I called Chris Crisco.
The three of us went back and forth and back and forth and
back and forth for about 25 minutes.
And Brogan stepped up nice. And yeah, and, and Brogan did a

(17:36):
fantastic job in that movie. So I very.
Much looking forward to seeing that because it looks really,
really, really different. It looks edgy, it looks cool, it
looks it looks really great. We definitely.
Had a lot of fun with it and I'mgoing to keep trying to push
myself and I'm going to keep trying to, you know, try new.
The next one that I'm doing is actually going to be a poolside
10. Sweet, I want.

(17:58):
To do sort of like classic wild cool and swing and rat Pack,
Rock Hudson, Palm Springs pool party kind of thing.
Cool, You know, because I mean, I live in Palm Springs.
You know, we're surrounded with all this mid century modern
architecture. I mean, I'd live in a MCM house
and I wanted to do so. And I was like, I've never seen
a fisting movie with a bunch of guys in like the fedoras and

(18:21):
the, and the, you know, smoking shirts.
And I'm like, I'm going to do something like that.
And I pitched the idea to Falconand they were, it was, it was
like looking at an oil painting.They were all like.
It could work. It won't, no.
And then I just went, OK, if youguys hate this idea.
And they were all like, no, no, I don't hate it.
I'm just trying to picture what it would look like.
And I'm just like, I just, and then, you know, Roma said.

(18:43):
Something like, is it kind of like, and then described
something I'm like, yes. So that's.
Great. That's, that's great that they
give you the creative freedom tocome at come at it with your own
ideas too. Yeah.
You know, I think, and I think that the fetish stuff, they're,
they give us a lot more freedom.They give us a lot more leeway.
Listen, when I was a Titan man, sometimes I wouldn't even tell

(19:04):
them what I was doing. I would just deliver the movie
to them. And I remember when I did Dick
Danger, which was my sort of like ode to 50s spy comics and
all of that. And I I told them what it was
and they were like, that doesn'tsound good at all.
And I'm like, well, movies duns and I, I showed them the trailer
and they were like, that looks amazing.

(19:24):
It looks, you know, and there was, I had like animation and
people, little cartoon men running and stuff.
It was. It's really fun.
When you get to express your creative, I mean, that's that's
what I love the most about doingthis stuff is that, yeah,
shooting porn is fun. I love shooting porn, but I also
love the creative aspect of it. I love, I'm an editor too.
And so I love putting together apiece of work that people are

(19:45):
going to look at and be like, wow, this is this is so hot.
This is so great. And even just the kind of sort
of cheesy stuff like I just did a series called with this guy
wrecked it, Ralph. We call it Hunger Rex under the
full moon because it was shot atthis fest full moon.
And so the intro is the two of us literally transforming into
werewolves and. See, that's just, you know,

(20:05):
Yeah, so it. Was so fun for me to put that
together. It's us.
We leave, lurching forward, thenour bones snapping into fucking
werewolf mode, and then we end as these big bulking halt.
You know, werewolves. You have to, you have to send me
a link to the OK, we'll do that later.
I'll send, I'll send you the link to the full movie of the
thing that you wanted to see. But yeah, yeah, no, you're
right. We get to do a lot of, we get to

(20:26):
do a lot of stuff and someone else pays for it, which is
great. Yeah, of course.
What that means, of course, is that it's got to be good or
they're not going to continue topay for it.
But in. Your case, in my case, I am
almost a one man team. If it bombs, it's it's on me.
But I've luckily I mean like I've done a couple of do you
remember Matthias von Fisenberg's 25th weekend or just
movie 25th weekend? I remember.

(20:48):
That it existed. Yeah.
Yeah. I did a remake called 21 fifth
Weekend and like did like I usedthe original music and they did
the whole thing. I got permission to use the
music. And yeah, so it was it was kind
of fun. I mean, just I'm really, I'm all
about the nostalgia factory of the stuff that got me into porn
back in the day. So.
So who are who are the performers that you've worked
with recently that you've been really excited about?

(21:10):
And like, who do you see as the next kind of big fist pig or
big, big big guy? You know I don't.
Know, I don't know, you know, you had mentioned Bruce Jones
and I mean, he's done a lot of stuff.
He's been around for a while, but he's he's, I mean, he looks
amazing. He's started to do a lot more
fisting and and fetish and, and stuff.
This is kind of like a side gig for him.

(21:30):
So I don't know how much more I can talk him into.
The other bottom in that, in that movie that we were talking
about was Jay Starr, who was terrific.
And then I worked just recently with Max Adonis, who I love.
Him. Me.
Too. And I didn't realize that he
could do fisting bottom stuff until I was editing one of Brian

(21:51):
Bonds's movies and. And I was like, I have his
number. Yeah.
So I. Love Max I've I've known Max
since my raw fuck club days whenI was cast them because I cast
them in a gang bang there and soright.
Yeah, he's. Super, super sweet, yeah.
Jay Jay Star was great to work with.
I hope we can make that work again.
You know he's hot. He looks like Wally Cleaver, but

(22:13):
Harrier and muscly, but you knowwhat I mean?
Like he's got that kind of Sean Cody apple pie kind of look.
And then he's like, give me morefest.
I'm like, all right, then there you go.
But he doesn't say that to me, but you know what I mean?
Actually, I've also started working with the pup Hades.
Do you know him? I don't know him.
No. OK, so.
He's, he's actually, he was a friend of Brian Bonds and he was

(22:35):
in one of the more recent Club Inferno movies that Brian Bonds
directed. You know, he's, and he walked on
set and he's kind of short and he's got this kind of like dark
and sexy look and his whole bit like, and he looked amazing in
the lights And we're, I was really excited.
And then he started performing and he was just, it's a great
top. He's a great bottom.

(22:56):
He was, he was really terrific to work with.
And I've, I've worked with him acouple of times since then.
I was surprised. Yeah, turn out to be crowded and
have the intuition that they need to be a fisting top or
yeah. Yeah, and when they're fun to
work with, right? Because we've all worked with
those guys that perform well andthey're really hot and they're
Dicks, right? You know?

(23:17):
And those are luckily few and far between.
But you know, I had. AI had a call the other day with
a content creator that had scouted me on X and wanted to
have a phone conversation. And literally the entire
conversation was about how many Instagram followers do you have?
How am I going to, you know how I'm a famous gay in Barcelona
and I'm like, I can't entertain this conversation anymore, dude.

(23:39):
And this is not the this is not the type of content creator I
want to work with. I want to work with somebody I
want to fuck that's going to have a good time that doesn't
care about that. Because if we make something
cool, it doesn't matter if you have 50 followers or 5000
followers or five 100,000 followers, if something is.
Good enough. And it's going to find its
audience. Yeah.
You know, we've all seen those videos that we didn't think
we're going to be huge hits and then wind up people are still

(24:02):
talking about them 20 years later.
Exactly. My pickup truck video that I
literally filmed on a whim, it was like, oh, let's just fist on
the back of this truck and then like spawned a generation of
fisters so. My My Famous Getting caught
jerking off in the office by J Crews video that we shot as just
on a whim as a as a joke. And we never thought anybody

(24:24):
would think it was hot. We thought people would think it
was funny and it I think it got something like 10 million views
on X2 before X2 got taken down. People still like 17 years
later, well not quite 16 years later, are coming up to me and
going, that was the hottest thing I have ever seen in my
life. You know, I'm just like.
What was the scene? What was the scene?

(24:47):
You'll have to say it wasn't even.
A. This is the crazy thing.
It's just that it wasn't even a scene.
It was a funny video that we hadshot to stick between scenes on
a DVD, and we posted it, like onthe blog.
And the whole idea was that it was like what's happening at the
J Crews studio because it was just this crazy porn circus.
And one of the videos was me talking.

(25:08):
And then I'm like, OK, when he puts the phone on do not disturb
at this time of the day, it means he's in there jerking off.
So let's go check him out. And I walked down the hall and I
opened the door and he's lying in his calves jerking off in his
office. And so the next scene is him
catching me jerking off in my office.
OK and the whole video, it's a single take, I think it's like 2

(25:29):
minutes long and he just walks in, catches me jerking off.
We laugh for a little bit and then he's like well you got to
finish. And I just go what?
Really? And then I do and then I
continue jerking off and I come and we talk for a second and I
come all over my shirt and that's the end of the video.
Have you been a? Performer too.
A couple of times. Couple times, yeah.
That was the first time anyone saw my Wang on video was that.

(25:53):
And then he asked me if I would do massage scenes where I was
the one massaging the guys. So I did a few of those for J
Cruz and then Anthony Duran asked me to do an oral scene for
Nasty Daddy, which I did with Adam Russo.
And then it was ages that I didn't perform forever.
And then I started an only fans that was all supposed to be like

(26:15):
all behind the scenes interviews, that kind of stuff.
And people started saying, hey, whatever happened to that video
of you jerking off? I literally, I called J, he
lives like 2 miles in that direction.
And I called him up and I was like, hey, do you mind if I post
that video? And he was like, post whatever
you want. He's like, yeah, do it.
So I posted that and then peoplestarted asking to see me and
more stuff. And then friends of mine that

(26:36):
only do fan content were like, hey, you want to come over and
fuck me? And I'm like, I'm sure.
All right, all right. So, so I do perform, but it's
it's pretty rare. Yeah.
I. Have a funny story about Anthony
Duran? Anthony Duran actually directed
my very first porn scene I was ever in.
I mean. Obviously, me too.
So yeah, go ahead. So what's yours?
Well, I mean. Just I'll never forget.
So I was total, I've been a total bottom my entire life.

(26:58):
And so he sat me down. He was like, we're going to have
to, you know, you're going to come into your top side one day.
Told me he's like, you know, everybody starts off as a
bottom, but you're going to eventually come into your top
side. And here I am years later
getting double fisted to the elbow and I'm the deepest thing.
I'm like, I don't know if that'sgoing to happen for me bro.
Yeah, yeah, No, people keep telling me that one day I'm

(27:20):
going to bottom and I'm going tolove it.
I'm like, I did it once in high school, once in college, and
then once really drunk in Key West.
So I don't think it counts. No, I, I I'm a top.
I, you know, so is he. Is he in Palm Springs though,
Anthony? Duran.
Yeah. He's my business partner.
We share an office. Like, literally.
Yeah. When, when you and I were
chatting last, like, our computers come up next to each

(27:41):
other. So yeah, we're, we're we both
work together on Nasty Daddy, Trailer Trash Boys, Gentleman's
Closet, Bondage Bros. He and I directed a whole bunch
of those say uncle things, right?
Like the fuck my stepdad, fuck my step uncle, fuck my step
cousin, fuck my best friend's dad, the Mormon missionaries.

(28:03):
Fuck the coach, fuck the nerdy guy in this like all of those
what was say. Uncle.
What was it Was that the brand Say Uncle is the brand say
Uncle's. The studio, yeah, because.
I remember reading an ex biz article about them.
Right. I love working with them and I
haven't I haven't had a chance to because Falcon is keeping me
so busy and and other stuff is just I've only got so much that

(28:24):
I can juggle around. I would absolutely be more open
to working with them again. I had a blast doing it.
I got to do a lot of those Mormon missionary scenes that
are so much fun, right? And the the step dad scenes are
always a blast. Those we would spend so much
time just laughing our heads off.
And last year we did a crossovermovie with the missionary boys

(28:44):
meeting the trailer trash boys. OK.
Called double. Wide.
It's a shared universe. It is a shared.
Universe yeah. So the missionary boys show up
at the trailer park and we got and listen it was sort of we
shot it just before Christmas soit was kind of like our.
We're going to call all of our favorite people together.
So we had Ryan Sebastian, we hadBuck Richards and ask you and

(29:06):
Jason. Yeah, Eric Cage, Jason Miles and
Eddie Patrick were the performers and then Ryan, Brian
and I directed it, wrote the Golden Kimball from say Uncle,
wrote the first draft of the script and then I kind of put
the trailer trash boys spin on it.
Brian Bonds was there doing stills.

(29:27):
Trenton Ducati was doing stills.It was it was a labor of what we
It was 5 very, very busy days, but I had so much fun and the
movie turned. Out your two favorite things,
kind of your two projects, kind of like urging that, yeah.
Yeah, well, that was funny because Trenton called me up and
he said you're kind of the perfect person for this because
you're the only person who's ever directed both Trailer Trash

(29:49):
Boys and Missionary boys. So do you want to do it?
And I'm like hell yeah, So. Yeah.
And shared. Universes are in right now.
They are, yeah. The crossover that everybody's
been waiting for. Exactly.
Do you approach directing fisting or non fisting content
differently or do you just kind of, is it all sort of the same
for you? No fisting.
Content, the fisting is the is the focus, right?

(30:13):
That's what people are watching it for.
And so you have to make sure that that is the main event,
that is the main focus, that that is what it's all about.
That doesn't mean that it has tobe only fisting and that it
doesn't have to be more than half of the scene is fisting.
You can still have fucking, you can still have oral, you can
still have toy play. You can do all of that stuff.

(30:34):
But the fisting has to be the centerpiece of it.
Whereas when when you're doing other stuff, you can make
anything the centerpiece. You can make the daddy's
gigantic Dick trying to suck it.The you can do all of that, but
you can also just make the the whole meson scene.
Oh God, there's a film school term.
I don't know what you want to film in.

(30:55):
OK. Meson scene basically means
everything that you see in the lens, everything that you see
like that world that you have created is the meson scene.
So I know that's an incredibly douchey way of saying that, but
no, no. I get it, yeah, but.
Yeah, no, I mean, you know, likewhen, when I did the the the
Trailer trash Boys movie, obviously this stuff with the

(31:17):
clothes on and the interaction between the Mormons and the
Trailer Trash Boys was just as important as the double
penetration that we got. It was just as important as, as
the actual sex because that's what a lot of it's about.
Like, you know, when I was working with Joe Gage, the most
important thing to him was the Broll, Right.
You know, and I, I, I, I'm not even telling stories.

(31:38):
Anybody who's worked with him will tell you this.
He directs the B roll. And then as soon as the sex
started, I would. Yeah, and it happened all the
time where I would be sitting there next to him, we'd be
behind them some monitors, you know, working with Joe Gage.
Like we would spend an hour withhim making them recite all of
the lines and the slow undo the zipper and the whole bit.

(32:01):
And as soon as a mouth went on aDick, he'd be like, OK, Jason,
your turn. And I would direct the sex
because he did not care about the sex.
All he cared about was the setupand the characters that he was
creating and that that measles scene that he had, you know, he
had created. And then once the sex started,
he'd be like, all right, your turn.
And I mean, he would sit there next to me and he would sort of

(32:24):
say, can you get him to say this?
Can you get Or he would just yell out, Hey, your next line is
this. And stuff would kind of occur to
him as he was going. But for the most part, he would
just kind of sit back and let medo it, I feel.
Like there's always going to be a place for that kind of porn.
Absolutely. You know what I mean?
There's always going to be a place for that kind of porn that
has B roll, that has a script, that has a story.

(32:44):
It might not be everybody's cup of tea, but neither is amateur
porn, you know what I mean? And and.
That's it, you know, And you'll get the people who will say, oh,
I don't like this kind of porn. It's got to be amateur and then
you'll go, I can't stand the amateur.
I've got to have it lit. Well, I want to be able to see
this, you know, I, I mean, it's,it's a you can't please.
Everybody, there's one. Just right for you yeah you know

(33:05):
and that's that's it you you gotto be able to understand that
there's going to be porn that you're not going to be into
because but somebody's going to make what you want or grab a
fucking camera and make it yourself I'll be.
Honest, I mean, I'm not nervous about the idea of going back to
studio style porn because I meanbecause I've been doing my own
thing since 2017 and so just my own shtick and so since.

(33:29):
Then I. Know I'm a little nervous about
one day dipping my toes back into any kind of studio work is
a little bit scary for me because I'm I'm such a control
freak most of the time that relinquishing that I'm a little
bit nervous, but I trust you. I understand it.
Yeah, No. Well, well, that's it, you know,
And then I think one of the the best skills that I learned from

(33:52):
working with people like Joe Gage and Brian Mills is learning
how to anticipate and understandthe needs and the fears and the
insecurities and concerns of your performers.
You want to make sure that you're creating this vibe on set
that makes them so comfortable that they can walk on set proud

(34:12):
naked. They are mentally their
performer, right? They're not Mike Smith.
They are walking on there as Rocco Steel.
Or I just made that name up out of my head and realized that no,
like I, I know Rocco, he's his name is that.
That is the. That is the real guy.
Just I just pulled the most biggest porn name, you know,

(34:33):
I'll just make up a name like but yeah, OK.
Or, or, and you know what I mean?
So, yeah. Well, I've gosh, back in the in
the well in the 80s, I remember we used to joke about how
everyone was either like named Justin or there.
And there's a lot of strikers, lots of strikers.
Mark Striker, Jeff Striker, MikeStriker.

(34:54):
The Jeff Striker dildo was my first dildo I ever got.
That's. Pretty impressive because that
was. That was not the beginner's
model. That was.
The first dildo. I but did you use any before
that? No.
That was the one that I trained myself on.
So I was just trying to do this,bro.
I mean, that was so you're. Hardcore.

(35:14):
Yeah, I know. I mean like my ass hurts just
thinking about it so. Dildo was my first dildo I ever
got. I remember having it under my
bed at my mom's house when I wasstill living in my mom.
I never. Got to work with him.
He was, he was gone. I met him a couple of times.
I'm sure he wouldn't remember, but I never got to work with
him. Speaking OK, so I wanted to ask

(35:35):
you. I wanted to backtrack a little
bit because this was a question I meant to ask earlier.
You you told me about your firstmeeting with Chris Ward.
Yes. And how he saw your hands and
said that you would be the perfect fisting top.
OK, so. Let me just set the scene here
because it's even more fucked upthan that.
So I had been working with frat men, right?
And frat men was, I mean, we were the Abercrombie with Dicks,

(35:57):
right? Like, I mean, it was all
collegiate nice apple pie. I mean, later we found out how
smarmy the Abercrombie's were. But you know what I'm talking
about, you know, and I, I was soexcited.
I was about 36, I guess, and Raging Stallion had approached
us about shooting their solo content.
And so they flew us from Los Angeles to San Francisco.

(36:19):
And I was so excited. I'm like, I'm getting flown to
another city for a business meeting.
And I had like a nice button down shirt with a tie and I
brought a briefcase and I had like slacks.
I even bought a pair of I boughta pair of dress shoes.
It was like I was, I was so excited to be like going to a
business meeting and we walk in and would you, you remember the

(36:41):
office, right? You know, it's like that three
story thing and the whole bit and half of the guys working in
the warehouse were All Stars. Yeah, remember that.
So we were sitting there in the that office kind of like on the
overlook over the main floor. And every 3 minutes another one
of the people would come up. Yeah, it's sort of like like
overlooking. Yeah, that was.
Chris's office, I think. Yeah, it was.

(37:03):
Chris, Chris's office and every 3 minutes was another performer
walking up the stairs and passedus and Francois was one of them
and then a couple other people Idon't know.
Were you working there at that point?
I was working. At Raging Salient from 2007 to
2010, so it would. Have been just before you got
there then, because I think it was 2006.
Anyway, point to the story is that we sat down and I shook

(37:23):
Chris Ward's hand. I'm just like so excited and he
just kind of goes and then flattens out my hand and he
goes, wow, your hands are tiny, but they're kind of meaty.
And he's like, have you ever been a fisting top?
And I'm like, oh, come on. I managed to not react like
that, but that was my internal monologue.
My. God and.
Of course, my boss, John Marsh, never let me forget that.

(37:46):
He was just like, you've got really tiny hands.
I would. I mean, Chris is Chris is an
icon, period. And so when he gave me my first
contract, I mean, I didn't realize at 18 years old what
that meant to have Chris Ward belike, yeah, yeah, come on.
I just thought I was so excited.It was Michael, Brandon and
Chris Ward pick wanted me to work for them.
And now in retrospect, I'm like,he's a fucking pioneer of good.

(38:09):
Yeah. Yeah, listen, you know, I, I
think three years later, 2009, and by that point I had been
working with J Crews for about 6or seven months and I ran into
him at the Phoenix Forum. Remember that convention at in
Phoenix? I ran into him there and I made
a point of walking up to him andhe knew me.
He remembered me in the whole bit.

(38:30):
And I sat down and I'm like, I'ma director now.
And he was like, really? It was like, how many scenes
have you directed? And I said, well, I mean, it's
cocksure men. So we have, you know, 2 scenes a
week. So I, I said, I've probably done
like 40 or 50. He's like, Oh my God, that's
amazing. And it was like, I was so
excited to be able to walk up toChris and go, I'm a director too
now, you know, and I mean, I wasn't sort of going, I'm equal

(38:52):
to you. It was like I was so excited
that, you know, because he had, he had encouraged me in the
whole bit and yeah. And to just tell him this and he
gave me all sorts of wonderful advice and told me, you know,
call me up if you got any questions.
And a whole bit it was, it was so great to have him in your
corner because he was one of those guys that was just so

(39:12):
supportive of everybody. I back in those days, there was
a lot of rivalry between the studios, like there really was,
which is why I had convinced myself when Titan shut down that
nobody was going to work with me.
And I was wrong. But he was not like that.
He was just sweet to everybody. You know, when I was working at
Titan Men, he he greeted me likea friend.
Yeah, there's. Nobody really has anything bad

(39:34):
to say about him. He's such a nice guy.
And even when I, I was, I mean, I'm having, I have these little
shows, you know, that are, you know, Brolapse and Legends of
Fisting. And I approached him.
I was just like, how would you feel about doing a Legends
interview with me? And he was just immediately
like, yes, let's do it. We, we were creative with how we
did it, 'cause I didn't. He did.
I don't know if you, you listen to it.

(39:55):
I did, yeah. He gave.
Me a written interview and then gave me the permission to use AI
to clone his voice. Yeah, and it.
Sounds just like him. It sounds like.
Yeah, it sounds just like him. And so it was a it was an
experiment to try to edit that together to make it look and
sound some somewhat close to an interview.
But it turned out really, I thought pretty cool.
And just hearing him talk about stuff, what he would be doing

(40:18):
today and stuff, you know, who he thought was, you know,
impressive today. It was really, it was just it
was really cool to reconnect with him.
It was. And yeah, so I'm gushing a
little bit just because I pinch myself still to this day.
It's like Chris fucking Ward. Like, it's pretty fucking
awesome. It is.
And you're right that he was kind of the guy that invented
what we're doing. You know, I mean, not he didn't

(40:39):
invent fisting, but he was the one who actually, you know,
figured out how to shoot it, howto make it look good on camera,
how to light it. Shooting and lighting fisting is
not that easy because there's fists and butt cheeks and faces
and all sorts of stuff in the way and you need to fit lighting
and it's a little hard. To miss the penetration, but to
get it a little lit correctly. But to make it look good is not

(41:03):
easy, right? You know, so it's true.
How do you think the aesthetic of fisting porn has has evolved
since you started directing? And where do you think it's
heading 'cause I mean, there's, there's this kind of war between
the studio Polish model and the,the amateur kind of static
camera. Just how you know where do you
see the is there a a middle ground or do you see it kind of

(41:25):
going one way, One Direction, the other?
I mean the way. That I see it is that's the same
thing that happened when punk rock started that, you know,
making it to the major labels, right.
Like what we're going to be seeing is a lot of the street
level, the homemade handheld shaky camera stuff, that
aesthetic is making its way backto the big studios.

(41:45):
I mean, that's what I'm watching.
That's what a lot of people are watching.
And, you know, we had talked about how when you're shooting
the fisting stuff, the most important thing is the fisting.
The most important thing is the reaction and the energy and the
whole bit. And you're shooting clothes in a
dryer, You're shooting an avalanche.
You don't get a second chance, right?
So you have to be able to learn how to ride those waves.
And and one of the things that Ihave noticed is that I find

(42:09):
myself not caring if the camera goes a little out of focus.
If I get lens flares, if the camera angle is a little weird
and I move the camera around, I'm not going to go, OK, let's
do that again. Feel like it.
No, I'm going to let the rough edges seep back in because I I
think that the performance itself, the emotion, that raw

(42:30):
animal energy that's so much more important than focal length
and making sure that the focus is totally racked perfectly the
whole time, I think that the audience is OK with that.
As long as the experience itselfis authentic, yeah.
Exactly. And I mean, obviously you still
want to do the best job you can.I still want to do the best

(42:51):
camera work I can. I still want to light it well.
I want to edit it well. I want to get some good music in
there. I've had so much fun writing
music myself. Yeah, yeah, I've been.
I've been actually writing musicfor a lot of the Hothouse and
Raging Stallion Movies OK as well.
So it's sweet. Yeah.
It's AI. Didn't know you wrote.
Wait, wait. No, no, no.
You did tell me you wrote music.I do.
I was. In AI was in a pop band in the

(43:12):
90s Oh my. God yeah, bro, what have you not
done? God, what haven't I done?
I, you know, and I'm just like, well, mainstream film.
No, done that. Yeah, yeah, I've done.
I've done a lot of the very. Interesting.
You've lived a very interesting life.
You know, it's, it's interestingbecause I Facebook is this weird
that first of all, I could not wait to get out of the little

(43:34):
Atlantic Canadian farming village where I grew up.
They didn't like me. I didn't like anything there.
I could not wait to get out of there.
And for years it was just like an absolute non starter.
I got invited to my like 10th year reunion and I wrote them
this really Kunti letter tellinghim to fuck off and leave me
alone. I know I feel really bad about
that now, but it was where I wasat the time.

(43:56):
I reacquainted myself with my high school friends, right?
And every one of them is fully aware of everything I've done,
right? They're all like, oh Jason,
you're legend here. Like everyone in high school
sees your picture on the wall and goes, hey, that's the porn
guy. But on.
Top of that, they're all like, Ican't believe all this stuff
that you've been doing with yourlife, right?

(44:17):
Like you're out there doing thisand you're out there doing that
and you're, you know, you had that podcast back in 2015.
You got the motorcycle stuff andthen you were in the
Frankenstein movie and now you're directing porn and you
won best director and you know, and then you're married and you
live in Palm Springs and you've got this and then you're out and
you lived. Yeah, I.
Got out on my life is that thingthat happens when you're busy

(44:39):
doing something else and and youknow I think it's really
important to just you got to grab life by the balls because
if no one else no one else is going to do you're looking back
with regret right. You're the only one that's going
to do that and if you spend yourwhole life worried about what
the naysayers and the haters think there's no why you know

(45:00):
you're not living for them. I spent.
The last year working on a book that I started about just
basically what it's like to havestarted in porn at 18 years old
and have your, my entire adult life shaped by essentially the
algorithm and what you know, what that does to your psyche.
Because now there's a whole generation of people that are

(45:20):
involved in only fans and just for fans and stuff that I think
I'm, I'm seeing some of the mental effects of what it's been
like to be 20 years in this industry.
And there's a whole crew of people who haven't quite gotten
there yet who will get there eventually.
And so I've been like secting kind of what that has been like.
And so it's, it's pretty wild. A lot of the people that I went

(45:41):
to high school with, like I justtweeted about, I just Facebook
post about the book the other day at a proof copy printed.
And I was like, are you guys ready to go deeper with me?
And everybody was like, Oh my God, you're 36 and you wrote a
fucking book already. And I'm like, it's been a crazy
life doing doing porn from 18 years old.
You know, I haven't had a break since then.
It's been it's if I. Ever wrote a book my career

(46:03):
would be over in? Why do you say that?
No, I mean. Listen, if I mean some of the
stories that I would want to tell, you know, of of some
people, but also some situationsand you know, the, you know, my
personal takes on the on the waythat a lot of shit went down.
I very often have had to not getinvolved.

(46:23):
And I think one of the reasons that my career has been long as
long as it has is that I have, Ihave backed away from the drama
even when they're trying to pullme in.
Yeah, right. That's good.
And yeah, I never really very rarely get involved in Twitter
beef. I don't have problems with other
performers. It's mostly just kind of, for
me, it's been a story about justwhat my experience has been

(46:46):
industry for this long as a child, basically coming into it
and growing up in front of the camera.
What does that do to you? So yeah, we both lived very
interesting lives, it sounds like.
Yeah. I mean, we have I, I played the
bassoon for Queen Elizabeth. Did you OK?
I did, yeah. When I was, I was 16.
That's that's a whole other story.

(47:06):
But and you. Directed mainstream music videos
too, right? I have.
Yeah, I so when I was in 8th grade, my sort of like music
diva was this sort of punk rock queen named Carol Pope.
She was the lead singer of a Canadian band called Rough
Trade. And they had they had a huge hit
called High School Confidential,which was literally like a

(47:29):
lesbian stalker song singing this song about this other girl
in high school about how much she wanted to get her hands on
her. And she says she makes me cream
my jeans when she looked my way.And they played that on Canadian
A&M radio, right? Like it was right.
I thought she was amazing. And their third album, the first
track was called Crimes of Passion.

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And the second verse started outwith two men named Johnny and
Eddie lay in bed, their legs entwined, the air smelling of
the stickley sweet smell of ammo, their tan bodies bathed in
sweat. They look like two young gods.
I had never heard gay men referred as two young gods.
And this picture that she had just painted of these stunningly

(48:13):
hot men, all tanned and sweaty and their legs and they're
riding in bed together. And they're like, I didn't
understand what ammo was. I thought it was apple.
So I thought they were burning incense, but whatever.
Right, Right. And then and then they turns
into like this, like a like a love triangle where like Vinny
runs in and he pulls out a knifeAnd there there's this big old

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thing. And that's in the song.
So it ends with a possible violent murder.
But it still told me that somewhere out there, there was a
place where the gay men were twoyoung gods, right?
And so I I just thought Carol was just the most incredible
person. I had all of their albums.
And then when they broke up, shehad this whole solo career.
And after Titan Men, I've been working with them for a while.

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And one of my friends was shooting video for a cabaret
that he was directing. And the subject the there, there
was a woman there at the house. And I looked at her and I'm
like, are you Canadian? And she sort of looks at me and
she's like, yeah, I said, were you Jane Sibery's backup singer
back in the 80s? And she's like, holy, nobody

(49:20):
recognizes me from that, right? I'm like, yeah, it was you and
Rebecca Jenkins. And she's like, yes.
And then we started singing together and I'm like, do you
remember that interview with youand and Jane and Rebecca and and
Terry David Mulligan And you're in the hot tub and that whole.
And she's like, I cannot believethis.
And then we started talking. And then somehow one of the
other guys overhears it. And he's like, Jason, were you a

(49:42):
fan of Carol Pope? And I'm like, fuck you.
And he's like, she's going to beat the show.
And I'm like, no, so I went to the show and he like grabs me by
the scruff of the neck and dragsme over and introduces me to
Carol. You know, they always say never
meet your idols. So I'm like, so scared.
I'm like, so do you like stuff? Like I wasn't that bad, but it

(50:02):
was pretty bad. And then just out of nowhere,
I'm like, by the way, you know, listen, if you ever want to do a
music video, let me know becauseI would love to do something
like that. And and you know, I always love.
Your idol, you had the you had the gussion to say, do you want
me to shoot a music music video?Yeah, I.
Did and then she called me up like a week later, right and she
said, so I, I recorded the themesong for this lesbian

(50:26):
independent movie called Vagina wolf.
Can you direct a video for it And we had a budget of $50.
It was nothing. So she and I went down to the
garment district and got this big huge of red velvet.
And we went back to I think we and we shot it in my garage and
we hung it up on like poles and then dressed her up in black

(50:49):
with this little hat and made her look like the usher from
like a 1950s movie theater. And she was like standing in the
red velvet, you know, curtains at the side of the movie theater
and she's singing the song. And then we keep clipping back
to stuff from the movie. And I put all this like dust
projector dust and, and it's allthese effects on it and it, it
looked so cool, but literally that video cost us as much as it

(51:11):
cost to buy the red stuff. And that was the end of that
this. Story is why I love doing this
podcast so much, because we all have people see us as
one-dimensional porn people. We have so many cool stories.
Everybody's done such cool stuffthat's happened.
That's. That video wound up because
she's like, she was like, I feltso bad, I couldn't pay you to do

(51:33):
that. And I'm like, I got to brag to
my friends that I directed a video for you.
And she's like, I have a new single.
And so she she called me up. She's like, let's get martinis.
And we went, she lived down by the Paramount lot in Hollywood.
And there's this old Art Deco place and we go down to the bar
and we're sitting there sipping our martinis.
And she puts headphones on my head and she plays this song
called This is Not a Test, whichI thought was just the most

(51:56):
stunning. So it's it sounded like an angry
army of like liberal lesbian warriors coming for you.
Like it was it's just, and I'm like, OK, you have to let me do
the video for it. And I, she said the label wants
it to look like Banksy. And I'm like, how does that is?
She goes, that's literally all they said.
So if you can track down this video, I actually did a video of

(52:19):
animated graffiti art dancing and singing on a wall.
It, it, yeah, it's, it's, it's basically, it's an animated
video of graffiti art dancing while she's there singing the
whole song to a diamond coated skull.
Because. And I said because the song is
basically about standing up to power.
And I said the diamond coated skull is really important

(52:42):
because we're worth more to themdead than alive.
And she was like, oh, I love that.
And she's, yeah, it it, it, it looks like, you know, in
Macbeth, you know, where he's like talking to the sure.
But yeah. So anyway, there you go.
So I got to do 2 music videos for her and for like your idol.
Oh yeah. Oh, but on top of that, she and
I wound up buddies like she, sheand I went hiking in Joshua

(53:04):
Tree. She came and spent a week with
me here and you know, I just, it's so, you know, like they
say, never meet your idols. No, she and I became like buds.
It's amazing. That would be like if me and
Charlie XCX became best friends.Yeah, yeah, You know, and I
mean, one of my other buddies is, is Bob Mould, who again, was
like one of my idol music for years and years.

(53:26):
And then he and I kind of wound up randomly meeting and he lives
like a block from me now. So we hang out every time he's
in town. So.
So. Looking back on your 25 years in
this industry, what do you thinkhas been your biggest
contribution to how fisting is filmed or understood?
You know what? I.
Haven't been doing it long. I haven't been directing it long
enough to be far up enough my own ass to think that I move the

(53:50):
needle enough or changed anything.
I will tell you this that 10 years ago I didn't direct it.
It was Paul Wilde directed it. And I, I'm one of those.
I love buying little weird cameras.
I've got this huge gigantic collection of plastic antique
camera from the 60s and 70s, youknow that used film and all
that. And I had bought a GoPro.

(54:10):
And when you buy a GoPro you getaddicted to buying camera mounts
cause camera mounts are all I know.
I got the watch camera mount to put on his first.
We were we so we we literally got the first GoPro fisting shot
with the asshole coming at you like that.
That's. Awesome that.
I yeah, I love, I haven't seen that copied a whole lot.

(54:33):
And it was not the, it didn't turn out incredible.
I thought it was funny, but it was, it was hot too, like,
because it was, you were close up enough.
And those cameras are really good that you, you know, you
could practically smell it, you know, and it's true.
It's it's, it's innovative. Yeah, well, you know, I mean,
you wanted something, you got todo stuff to catch people's
attention because this is the social media world.
And you know, if you're, if you're not, if you're not doing

(54:55):
stuff that catches people's attention on, on Twitter and
blue sky and all of that, then you may as well just it's.
Literally the premise premise ofthe book that I wrote.
It's literally about having to constantly feed the beast, feed
the algorithm my. Book my book that I'm like half
done with is called unsolicited Dick pics.

(55:16):
But but it's more well, I'll tell you later.
If you have me back I'll I'll dothe I would love.
To one thing that I. Do want to say though, and I had
this conversation with Matt Coven actually just recently and
he's going to be at a movie coming up.
I think that some of the perform, some of the fucking,
I'm going to say it. Some of the directors that do
kink, fisting, BDSM, the hard, harder stuff, their content

(55:37):
feels kind of mean and it feels almost like torture porn and it
feels scary. It feels like a horror movie, it
feels like. And I want my movies to look
like 2 buddies having fun. Because when I'm playing with my
friends, I'm not calling them names and making them beg for
forgiveness. And I'm not chaining them up and

(56:00):
kicking them in the balls and making them scared and making
them scream. The whole bit.
We're laughing. We're having fun.
I'm like, yeah, can you take more?
Yeah, you could take yeah, yeah,yeah.
He thinks it like that. And and it turns into a game of
one-on-one basketball. You know, I want my fetish and
and fisting movies to be like that.
Like I, I want to depict the kind of way that I shag, right.

(56:23):
Is, is having fun. It's two buddies pushing each
other's limits and, and testing each other's boundaries, but
knowing where that boundary is and not going past it and, and,
you know, and creating that environment where you feel
totally safe to say, yeah, give me more.
Yeah. And it should always be
pleasurable. You're doing.
Something painful, you're doing something wrong.

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And so there was I think an era of porn where was fisting was
always filmed in a way that looked painful.
It was like the expression they wanted you to expression on your
face that was going in and the struggle of and that to me sent
such a bad message to people that that's what fisting should
look in your second. And I I remember when I started

(57:07):
doing content, I was like, I'm going to flip the script on
that. I want to be laughing.
I want to be having a good time.I want to be showing people that
their sex life doesn't have to look like scary porno.
It doesn't have to be, you know,it doesn't have to be that to be
valid sex. And so it.
It shouldn't frighten me, it should excite me.
And there's. A There's a creator in Barcelona

(57:29):
that makes content that looks soaggressive and mean that like, I
actually fear for the bottoms. It's so crazy to me when people
can't read body language. If I'm crawling away from you on
the bed, that means I need a break.
I shouldn't have to be. You shouldn't be chasing me with
your arm in my ass across the Yeah, dude, obviously I need a

(57:49):
break. This is not working for me
anymore. So.
And I was saying you OK, So I have this stupid thing that I
do. My safe word has always been OK,
OK, OK, OK. I always say my friends laugh at
me. They all know it.
They say OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. Because when it's getting to be
too much, that's just what comesout of my mouth.
And so if I'm saying OK, OK, OK,OK, and I'm crawling away from
you and you're chasing me down the fucking bed with me, we're

(58:12):
not. This is not communication.
No, it's not. Yeah.
So let's let's go back to that bit where I had said that I want
my movies to be like that, OK? So yeah, that, I mean, that's
that's the important thing to meis that I want I want the movies
to look like 2 buddies having sex or three or 10 or what I

(58:34):
just did in 11 man orgies. Holy shit, yeah, that was to to
to be released soon. So well, and the last.
Thing I wanted to ask you that'sthat's well, first of all,
that's amazing because it's the same mentality that I have and I
think it's the healthiest form of health fisting.
I've always thought the BDSM doesn't have a place in fisting
because fisting needs to be something that's a collaborative

(58:56):
effort between two people to have a good time.
It's when 1 is Dom, you know, dominating the other one.
It's it becomes dangerous at a certain point.
So yeah, yeah. So finally, basically what I
want to know is what, what excites you the most right now,
whether it's a project, a performer, a new idea that
you're thinking about bringing into the world of fisting.
It doesn't even necessarily haveto be fisting important.
It's something that you're like looking forward to or excited

(59:17):
about. OK, I'm.
Excited about you know what? Half an hour ago we talked about
how when J Cruz hired me and he handed me the reins to talk sure
man. And I was able to develop my
craft there over three years, basically copying all of my
favorite directors. I got to copy Kristen Bjorn, I
got to copy Bruce Cam. I got to copy Joe Gage.

(59:39):
I was even copying my friends like Sean Cody, like I was just
I wanted to learn everything andI feel like I've landed in this
place right now, which is weird because it's so late in my
career, but I I'm ready for a renaissance anyway.
So I, I've landed in this place where I feel like I get to start
at the very beginning. And, and so I think the thing

(01:00:02):
that excites me the most is thatthe world is shiny and new and
I've been handed, you know, these two fisting lines and
handed a blank slate and told dowhat you want to do, you know,
run it by us first. But but you know, the Falcon has
been so supportive, just lettingme kind of have my fun.
And so far they like what they've seen.

(01:00:24):
So we're going to. Keep going in that direction and
we'll we'll see we'll see where it goes.
You know, it's been it's been a lot of fun, but I feel what
excites me at the most is to seewhere I where, see where my
career goes, see where my moviesgo and see where it takes me.
So congratulations with. Everything.
Thank you. Yeah, it's an exciting thing,
you know, and like I say, in in 2017 when Titan Men decided to

(01:00:47):
call it a day, I, I, I mean, I felt like my whole world
collapsed. You know, I didn't just lose my
job, which I didn't totally because I'm still on their
pants. But yeah, I'm still getting
paid, don't worry. But I yeah, you know, I mean, I
lost my family, I lost my friends.
It was, it was home and it stillis.
Like I still get together with with the Titan Men team, you

(01:01:10):
know, we shut down seven years ago and almost 8 years tober.
Brandt. Was that his name?
I was, he was. He was just before my time, OK.
Yeah, I was such a giant of his.It was so hot.
I've had daddy my entire life. I.
I totally, my gosh, the OK, one time totally embarrassed myself.

(01:01:31):
I was shooting stills. It was a Titan men scene and I
was shooting Anthony London and I told him, you know, you're my
favorite daddy porn star. And then I'm doing that.
I look at his ID and I'm like, oh, and you were born in 1972
years after me. So like, shit, yeah, so much for
that, but where can? People find more about you on

(01:01:52):
the Internet. Do you have an Instagram page or
I? So my Instagram is Jason Mark
film. Remember that Jason is spelled
with AU. I'm named after the bass player
from Metallica. And that's a very long story for
another day. For another day for another day
my tick tock is shut up Jason. My Twitter is I refuse to call

(01:02:12):
it X is Jason Mark triple X. There is a Jason Mark Facebook
page. I am on Blue Sky as well as just
Jason Mark dot blue sky. However, that is, and I do have
a link tree that you can find from any of those which will
link to all of the podcast episodes that I've done.
Some of my favorite scenes. It will link to some of the
mainstream things that I've done.

(01:02:33):
I will put the link to this there.
So sweet. I'm not difficult to find.
I is sweet. So I'll I'll poach your link
tree to get all the information.Watch that this is not a test
video. I'm so proud of that because I I
mentally tried to figure out howdo I do animation when I'm not
an animator, and the end result looks just phenomenal.
I was so excited, so awesome. I'll take a look at it.

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Are you guys? This has been episode 52, our
one year anniversary episode of Prolapse.
I really appreciate you guys taking the time to watch it.
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If you've got a Just for Fans page or an Only Fans page, I'll
give you a copy. You can post it there as well.
Jason, Mark, thank you so much. Thank you so much for.
Having me a little bit of a dream.
Come true to talk to you and hang out out for an hour.
So I really appreciate and I. And I'm going to tell you and I,
I did tell you before, but I wasso excited when you asked me to
be on this because I feel like the fisting community is

(01:03:40):
accepting me. Yeah, you know.
Of course. I mean, look at you.
You're making the porn that we watch.
I you. Know, I know, but like, you
know, sometimes I just don't want anyone to think I'm a
pretender or something like that.
But no, you know, we all have the, we all have that imposter
syndrome. I think so absolutely.
Sometimes this has been. Amazing, thank you so much and I
will see you guys next week. Have a good night.

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