Episode 53: Training, Trust, and Transgression: Dolan Wolf Speaks

Season 2 of Brolapse opens with a legend. Dolan Wolf talks about coming to gay sex later in life, discovering fisting, and why kink for him is a mind game with a body attached. He breaks down his methodical training era (yes, the π-and-plug story), the San Francisco Leather Men’s Discussion Group performance we did with two German tops and Logan Hawk, and the line that changed how many of us play: “Our bodies are organisms, not machines.”

We get into the real-talk moments too—like pausing a CLAW workshop to rinse and returning with the reminder that shit happens—and how honesty beats porn myths every time. Dolan reflects on fisting’s shift from underground to mainstream, what’s gained, what can get lost, and why better education beats gatekeeping. He shares the wish-list of collaborators he’s eyeing, his soft launch plan for JustForFans/OnlyFans (fisting, cigars, BDSM), and we nerd out over Scream—including our still-on-the-table parody collab.

If you’ve ever wondered where confidence, community, and truly filthy joy meet, this one’s a blueprint.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back to
another episode of Brolapse. We're here, episode 53.
Couldn't think of a better guestfor today's show.
This is the I guess we're going to call this season 2 since this
is the second year of the show. Dolan Wolf is on the show today,

(00:23):
one of my fisting idols. I'm very excited to have you.
Welcome to the show. And I just turned 53, so how
fitting. Nice to be.
I am not. I don't say that lightly.
I mean, there's guys that I lookup to that you know that from
when I was first getting into fisting and you were absolutely
one of them. And so you were the first daddy,

(00:44):
daddy Fister that I remember being just enthralled with.
And so I'm just really happy to be in your orbit these days and
just still on your radar. I am thrilled to be here.
I, I know from from listening tothe, to the other guests you've
talked to how it is something everyone experiences is the
weirdness of even the idea that,that you are seen as anything

(01:07):
other than an, an ordinary bus. And I, I've, I've generally
tried to take the, you know, pretend even though I know that
strictly but speaking, it cannotpossibly to be true.
I'd rather pretend that nobody has ever seen a single thing
that I did. And and, and, you know, if
someone says do I know you from somewhere not to assume that

(01:27):
it's anything, you know, like that, I just, I don't know
because. I just have one of those faces.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Because I just, I'd I'd rather
be that guy than than than the other.
Guy Yeah, yeah, it is. It's a it's a fine line to walk.
At least it's for me because I mean I get recognized more often
than not than. No.
And I'm sure, I'm sure it's eventruer for you because I'm sure.

(01:49):
Well, they're like, yeah, I mean, and I know I genuinely,
especially with the number of people out there and, and how
long it is since I really put any content out there, I, I
genuinely expect people to have a clue who I am.
I mean, it still happens. People still come up to me and
go, Oh my God, I'm such a big fan.
And then and then I like to, I like to bring out that line from
the movie Notting Hill. OK.

(02:11):
I'm I'm just this pig standing in front of another, this pig
asking him to fist my ass. That's amazing.
Well, OK, so while you broach the topic, so since we're
talking about fisting, it is a freaking podcast.
So how did you first get into fisting and what pulled it into
you or what pulled you into it? As about the kink, how did you
end up becoming Dolan Wolf? Yeah, well, I feel like I need

(02:31):
to, to start with how late I washaving sex with men at all.
I mean, for my generation, you know, born in the late 1800s.
It's not that. It's.
Vampire mode, yeah. You know, it wasn't that late,
but, you know, I was 25 before Ihad sex with a man.
And it took a couple of years toto kind of really come out and,
you know, begin to figure out, you know, what kind of what kind

(02:54):
of gay man I wanted to be. But relatively quickly having
with the feeling like I'd wastedfar too much time already, I was
like, OK, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be afraid of
exploring and doing all the things that interest me in the
way that I've been afraid of this all this time.

(03:15):
That being said, even though I started exploring kinks and
bondage was my first kink and and you know I I was then
started exploring SEM the first time.
One of the first times anyway, Iwas down at the hoist in London,
which isn't there anymore. Where they film pigs at the
hoist? Yes, yeah, yeah.
OK, cool. This guy came bouncing up to me
and the guys I was standing withsaying with a red bun down

(03:37):
around his neck, who wants to fist me or who wants to be
fisted or I can't remember the exact, but it was fisting and
and I'd never really heard of it.
OK. And and so somewhere, so I kind
of I was, I was consciously pushing my boundaries and I was,
I was enjoying pushing my boundaries.
Well, I was also, you know, didn't want to overdo it.

(03:59):
And so I heard this. I was like OK, hard limit.
Really, in the beginning it was hard.
That was my, that was my, that was my first conscious reaction.
But even then, I feel like therewas, you know, somewhere in the
back of my head, wiser part of me went bitch, please off.
That bridge one day, yeah. And then I guess, you know, it

(04:21):
was sort of it was sort of something I couldn't get away
from because once you're on Recon as I was back then, there
were it, it just, I couldn't getaway from it.
So it kept on kind of knocking on the door.
There was a particular porn video that I watched.
I'm trying to remember which oneit was.
It was Tom Chase fisting. I forget who he he was.

(04:42):
He was holding his his his hand upright and the guy was
squatting on it. I started with a with AI think a
very thick toy, and then it moved to his hips and I was like
jaw open at the you know, because at this stage I was
enjoying getting fucked. That was, you know, how the
fuck, how the fuck can you even do it, never mind enjoy it and,
you know, just just a mind fuck.But again, you know, to me,

(05:03):
that's what kink is. It's a mind fuck.
I mean, ideally for me, but not everyone.
It involves the body, it involves the genitals, but I
think, I think that's what distinguishes came from other
kinds of sexes is the mind fire.So anyway, Long story short, I
about 10 different people tried over a period of about 10 years.
And then one day I'm in Madrid, not that particularly matters.

(05:25):
And I'm in a hotel room with someone I know and a friend of
his who's a really keen Fister and so fucking sexy.
I cannot begin to describe how hot this man was.
So I really wanted to be able togive that to him.
But he had big hands and I was in no way physically ready for
it. Mentally I was ready, but
physically just not not capable of stretching wide enough for

(05:46):
him yet. So it but it kind of put AB in
my bonnet and I was like, I am never going to be with a man
Matt hot who wants to do that tome.
I'm, I'm the unable to do it, orat least, or at least if I'm
unable to do it, it's because I've worked out it just isn't
something I can do. Yeah.
So I, so I went on a mission andactually his tip was find a plug
to train on and I got super scientific about it.

(06:07):
I, I measured the width of the circumference of my hand used π
to work out how, because the toys didn't necessarily come
with circumference. They came with diameter with
the, the dimensions on, you know, when you were buying.
So so I found the toy that was had a nice gradual taper and
within about four weeks, by training on that every at least
every other day, but mostly every day, I was ready to take

(06:29):
the hand of this guy who I cannot believe was deigned to
visit me from Slovenia. OK.
Super fucking sexy and really interesting, really good at it.
And I mean, I think technically,maybe at least one guy had
gotten just about inside me by then.
But it wasn't what I would call a fisting session.
Yeah. But what I had with David was,

(06:52):
was, you know, he fisted me. I fisted him.
And you know, I knew I knew I was like lost to this when I was
like on about the third, my third go round, I was like,
right, tie me up and guide me. Yeah, you kind of know quickly
when I mean, I've, I've did thistheory that I could.
Your first real fisting experience is a +1.
You kind of become a Fister. It's like, and then if it's not,

(07:15):
but it's real easy to mess up somebody so that they don't ever
want to be into fisting ever again.
I think it's true with with so many things and I know it's
something we're going to talk about later, but but I, I
strongly feel that, yeah, it is a real danger that people have a
discouraging experience and write themselves off as unable
to enjoy it when I would say that most people have the

(07:38):
capacity to really enjoy it. Yeah, I just got, I got fisted
by this guy the other night. It was his first time fisting
anybody. He'd been fisted before, but
first time visiting, and he was so good at it.
He had this natural intuition that I was just like, oh, like,
you're so good. I'm not trying to blow smoke up
your ass. This is really, actually really
fucking great. He's like, really?
He's like, it's really hot. I'm thinking in my head.
I don't want to set his expectations that every hole is

(07:58):
gonna be this easy to get into either.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was fun, but so how did you transition from then like
being interested in fisting to to being your first videos were
for like Club Inferno or or studfist, I remember.
No, no, no, no. Well, first fisting video as
well. Yes or actually I I can't swear
that that's true. It might it might have happened

(08:18):
in in an alpha male video beforethat.
OK, I definitely had my sights on Club Inferno and Titan and
you know that that level which, you know, living in London was
was a bit of a challenge. But I think in general, when it
came to performing, I looked at who else was performing right

(08:40):
and, and I didn't think I was going to compete into.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I wasn't miserable about how my,
my physicality. But but yeah, but there were
other guys that with, with insane physiques that that I
couldn't compete with. In that sense.
There were other guys who who were, you know, their faces were
sculpted by Michelangelo. You know, I couldn't compete on

(09:00):
that level. I didn't.
Yourself. But I was I was like, OK, what
what is? What is the value I bring to it?
And the value I bought was I'm genuinely, genuinely into kink
and I, and I could, I could see a lot of people certainly back
then doing it because it was a thing they've been asked to do
rather than the thing they were into.
And that included fisting. You know, I mean, I, I props to

(09:22):
guys who's, who's even who's, who's pushed themselves that
far. But I've seen, I'm sure you have
two scenes, particularly for studios, where the fisting
consists of the hand goes in andit stays there for 10 minutes
and it's like. You.
Know it's called fist fucking. It has to come, you know.
That's changing, I think, with the skill level of the amount of

(09:44):
people that are skilled. These days, it's a totally
different story. Yeah, it's crazy, crazy the
amount of guys that can get fisted and are willing to get
fisted on camera and can get fisted right on camera.
It's yeah, there's a lot of guysout there now, which is it's
cool for, it's cool as a consumer.
It's really, it's a cool time tobe into fisting because there's

(10:04):
a lot of it. And I found this guy.
I felt so bad last night. They opened my I had tweeted
about this video that I saw on this vid and I was like, does
anybody know who this guy is? He's a beautiful hairy little
compact fisting bottom. And, and I checked my DMS last
night and buried in them was Admfrom him being like, that's me.
Please take this video down. I didn't know that it was on the

(10:25):
Internet and I didn't post it. I just posted a link to it and I
was like, I'm so sorry. And so, you know, there are
still guys that, you know, obviously don't want, want their
want their business out there. But it was, it was just sort of
a funny thing that happened lastnight because I what I was
getting at was that there's so many different guys.
You find anything you want, really any type of guy you want.
That's in the fist thing. And so I found I found this poor
kid. And then I got this message last

(10:46):
night, like, please take this down.
Oh man, I'm sorry. So anyways, when we had.
It was really, it was really, you know, I, I found, I guess,
you know, the niche within the niche was I was indicating a lot
of these guys were I could get fisted and really enjoy it.
I, I could kind of, you know, I could, I mean, I, I feel weird
saying this in front of you. Well, well, you know, because

(11:07):
talking about oneself as a powerbottom in front of you is, is
just, but you know, relative to the, to the field, I felt like
I, I had power bottom credentials, but I could take it
to the next level. And so, yeah, just, you know,
and I and I and the one thing I was proud of was my butt.
You know, I, I had a decent but,and also, you know, even though,
even though it wound up sort of accidentally getting completely

(11:30):
shaved bold for, for one of the,for the, for the DVD that, you
know, had my name in it. Was it the hot house movie?
Because I remember they used to make everybody shave their
butts. Well, it seemed like an
accident. OK.
I forget his name now. Apologies for, for forgetting
your name now. But he was Christian's
boyfriend, and he was tasked with getting some trimmers and

(11:52):
trimming my hole. That was the that was as I think
the original plan was to trim myhole, but he did that thing
where he went too far and then he kind of had to do the whole
thing. Yeah.
And so my entire butt, like, I'mhairy everywhere else except my
butt in that movie, which, you know, I guess is probably one
people's fetish. So.
OK, That's so. Funny.

(12:12):
No, I mean, I just remember the hothouse had an era of time
where they, every guy that they filmed, every shoe that they
did, the butts were shaved totally.
So I don't know if that was thatera of time, but I just remember
it always was this weird contrast but there was a big
hairy guy with no hair. I thought I was the only one.
I thought I have to go back and look awesome.
It was an era of hothouse videosback probably around what year

(12:34):
was that? What year was that?
You were probably pressing 2000,2013.
OK, I was going to say you were probably when did you start
that? So when did you start doing?
Stuff. I think the first thing that I
shot was in 2008. OK, that's good.
I was gonna say because I remember you being in.
I wasn't. I wasn't getting fisted at that

(12:54):
point, so that wasn't my first. Yeah, I just remember that time
period because that's when I first started doing porn and I
something in the back of my headsaid that I remember you from
the beginning when I was first starting, and then you and I
connected at the Leather men's discussion group in San
Francisco. I don't remember exactly how
that came about. Like do.
You remember, I think I do. I knew I wanted to.

(13:16):
So. OK, it's called the Leather
Men's Just discussion. OK.
Yeah. And it's once a month.
And it's a basically a communitything where speakers come to
talk about a whole range of things, you know?
And so there's a committee of people that that figures out
what what the program is going to be.
I was director of programs briefly.

(13:37):
And so, you know, I had other people helping most with most of
the organization, but I was supposed to be leading in terms
of getting the program, the specific programs together and
what what they would be. My feeling is that things like
that can vary, can all too easily become dry and not very
sexy. Yeah, visiting demos are really

(13:59):
never all that exciting. Interesting demos, but but even
what are we there to talk about and celebrate?
If we if we don't make it feel like that, then how the hell are
we honoring that or, or or promoting that or you know, so I
wanted to do something that was less demonstration and more
performance it. Was a performance no.

(14:20):
It certainly was. And, and I, and so I, I think I
reached out to, I might have sent, I might have publicly made
a mess, put a message on, on Facebook that that you responded
to or I reached out to you individually.
Either way, where you were like really fast to saying, yes, I'd
love to do this. So even though there were one or

(14:41):
two other people who were interested, I was like, no, I
got you and I and, and I know, you know Logan from, from here.
So so I could and then I just happened to know the very hot
Germans that that were visiting at that time.
And that was. So gorgeous.
The talking room. And so, so yeah, it just, it, it

(15:04):
was it, it came together. I mean, you never know exactly
how how a thing like that is going to, is going to go.
I couldn't have asked for it to have gone better.
It was amazing. It's probably in my head, one of
my favorite like live performances I've ever done.
Yeah, it was we came out and this will this will answer a
later question. So I'll just kind of mash these
two together basically for for those of you who weren't there,

(15:26):
it was a small crowd. It was it was a big crowd.
Actually, it was a big. Crowd.
Yeah, that was decent crowd. And so basically me and Logan
Hawk came out from behind these curtains and then walks.
If I remember, there's runway sort of thing at the.
I'd, I'd use the equipment in the space to create a sort of
runway and, and I'd, I'd createdthe, the curtains and I'd, I'd

(15:46):
found some music that that was Ifelt appropriate for the, for
the scene. And when I tried to do as little
preamble as possible so we couldkind of hit people in the face
of it. Yeah, and I remember getting
just arm fucked by these guys and I think I showed my pro labs
to the crowd, I think. Yeah.
And then everybody went crazy and then we did this Q&A session
afterwards, which was really fun.

(16:08):
And really it's nice. It's, it's cool to be able to
answer questions and people can see my actual genuine
authenticity when it comes to yes, what we're doing.
And so it was a really cool. Collection of my recollection of
the interview was that that experience was, for me anyway,
it just it felt wonderfully intimate.
Yeah, yeah, I remember that too.Then weren't they big chairs?

(16:28):
Were they really? Yeah, they were really big
chairs. I remember that.
So it was so funny that things that stand out in our brains.
And then, and then also the, theother thing that, that I, I was
thrilled about, you know, kind of a, a measure of how, how I'd
achieved what I wanted to with that is there were guys on the
committee of LDG who, you know, have seen everything.

(16:53):
I kind of live for that reactionwhen I did on, I did AI did a
performance in Belgium with XXL Abyss.
And at one point he lends me so that my hole is facing the
crowd, gets on top of me, reaches and like pulls my hole
apart and it tells me to prolapse.
And I prolapse at the crowd. And you can hear it in the video
and it's like audible, like, like, and then it just inspires

(17:14):
me to go so much harder because I get I get so excited about
that kind of that reaction. And that same trip was actually
when you told me, you gave me this quote that stuck in my
brain. So I mentioned earlier about
quotes at Stick and I just said this in the last episode because
I was telling you how nervous I was.
I wasn't going to be able to getcleaned out.
And I was like, Oh my God, what if I'm not clean on stage for
all these people? What is this going to happen?

(17:36):
And you were like, listen, just relax.
Your body is an Organism. It's not a machine.
You can't expect it to be. I don't know why that stuck with
me so much, but I'm just like, he's right.
I'm trying to treat my body likeit's a fucking mechanical object
that there's going to perform orI want to perform and that's
that It's actually, it's doing its job.
That was that. Where did that idea?

(17:58):
How did you? I don't know if you remember
saying that to me. How does that guide you in the
way that you do or show up for scenes today or is it?
Something I don't, I don't specifically remember saying it
to you, but it but it but I recognize it as a thing that I
would have said, yeah. That's a cure.
And, and I, I can't say where itcame from other than like most
of the advice that I frequently give out.

(18:19):
It's the advice I most need to hear or have most needed to
hear. And, and I still, you know,
it's, it's kind of funny you're saying that, especially,
especially in an interview with Jason, because because only a
few weeks ago I was down in PalmSprings and, and didn't know
that that the fellow filming thescene I was doing was Brian.

(18:44):
Brian. Brian.
OK. And so we're talking about the
fact that I live in San Francisco.
He thought I still lived in the UK and and you know, would I
want to come down and film stuffwith them?
And I said I would. As long see this is the paper
that stress that oh God what if I'm not ready is is that
probably the thing that was least enjoyable about doing

(19:08):
studio porn Yeah and it's not that anyone was ever horrible
about it. It's just I didn't want to I,
you know, there's as. There's a crew the.
End of of the studio kind of eraif, if, if that's a fair thing
to say. There's the crews were getting
smaller, as I understand it, butthere was still a significant
number of people who, if they have to stop while you went to

(19:29):
to fix yourself up, you were holding a whole bunch of people
up. And you know, who wants to do
that? And then even even just playing,
there's a part of me that feels like, honestly, you've been
doing this for how many years and you still can't figure this?
Dude, it's it's everybody is different.
I'm saying this is advice that Ineed to hear as much as as much
as I need to give it. Yeah.

(19:50):
So you had an incident you told me about, so I'm going to let
you tell it because I still don't know it.
So you did. Something happened.
So, so it was at Claw in LA. So Claw normally happens in
Cleveland, but in the pandemic they had to not do it there.
And then the earliest opportunity they had to do it at

(20:11):
all was over Thanksgiving in LA,whatever year it was.
And I went down there with my partner and.
You can volunteer to to do workshops and to the point I
made before about, you know, trying to make these things more
sexy rather than dry and clinical.
I thought, why don't we do as little talking at the beginning

(20:32):
as possible to set up what is essentially then going to be a
scene involving the crowd where anyone who wants to once, once
I've been warmed up, who who doesn't know what it's like to
stick their hand in someone's ass, can get up and do that.
If I'm really honest, it was a fisting gang bang dressed up as
education. But you know, it was also the
thing it was purporting to me and I can't remember.

(20:54):
I think this was the second timewe'd done it.
And my partner, you know, stickshis considerably large hands in
me to to get me warmed up. And I think maybe maybe one
person from the crowd had had I had gotten in there and.
And my partner whispers in my ear, I think you're going to
have to go and, you know, give you some events.

(21:16):
Yeah. So I.
This is at your professing gangbang.
Performance yeah there's a so there's a norm so of about 40
people right for this. And so I, I, I'm like fuck, fuck
that's, that's what's going on in my head right.
But I, but I, you know I think Iremain maintained an air of
calm. I was like excuse me one second

(21:37):
and and I ran down the corridor to to sort myself out.
You know what it's like in that moment you're you sort of you
give yourself a rinse and the first rinse is not is not good
yeah and you're like fuck how many times you have to do this
so you go back and do it again. That's still not good.
And even when it does run clear,you're like.

(21:58):
Please stay clear. You're like you.
Are you lying to me Exactly? Are you telling me the truth
here? Yep.
Don't you understand? I'm just trying to feed you.
So I finish up and I and I run back and my partner's been doing
an excellent job doing Q&A in the meantime.
Not there's nothing, nothing badhas happened.

(22:19):
But now I've got to make my entrance, you know, having
having had to sort of. And so I come back in and I say,
OK, you have all just learned one of the most important
lessons about fisting. Shit happens.
Yeah, it's true and. And I think, you know, I, I
think already by bit, like in the start of the thing, I, I,
well, certainly at some point during each of those things I

(22:41):
have, I've asked the people there to if they have played 100
times or more as top as bottom, it doesn't matter on 100
different occasions to stand up.And a bunch of people stand up.
And then I say now sit down. If during all of those play
sessions you've never encountered shit, nobody sits
down. Yeah, so.

(23:02):
It happens to everybody. Yeah, I mean, look at what
you're playing and you know it. I I have a completely different
attitude as a top, which is it'sfine.
The the there's only there's only two reasons why it's
helpful to fix it. If if it shows up 1 is it tends
to not be overly sensitive ass. Yeah, right.
Even even trace amounts of it, Ifind can, can make, can make a

(23:24):
person more sensitive. And the other thing is that, you
know, it tracks. So.
So if you end up getting it on your hands and not containing
it, then it doesn't take long before you've so many things.
Yeah. But other than that, I don't
care. I mean, I only care in that I
want you to have a good time andI will not do a time to be as
uninterrupted as possible. But it's funny, we can't rewire

(23:46):
our own brains to be OK with that as bottom.
No. It's OK for anyone else, but
just not it's not for me. So I'm I'm actually the same
way. I mean, generally speaking.
I mean, unless it's really bad, I usually don't even tell them
if it's just a little something I'm moving out of my way and
just. Keep.
Yes, exactly. They don't need to know because
they don't need to be in their head.
No, exactly. No.
And I agree with that. That's what I do.

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That's what people do with me and I'm talking about.
Before my injury, we had talked about this is sort of funny and
I don't know if you were comfortable talking about this
or not, but I threw this question here anyways.
So we had talked about doing a Scream parody for Dan Savages
Film Festival. And I remember reading you sent
me the script and well this I remember clearly because you put
on Facebook. Is there anybody that likes

(24:26):
horror movies like Scream and Fisting and that has a big
rosebud or something like that? And I was like, I like he wrote
he's talking to me. He's talking to me like, well, I
like roll you right away. And I was like, Oh my God,
that's that's I live for the screen movies.
We had long conversation about our favorite parts of the Scream
films. And for the record, I will say
that Jill is the best killer of all and Jill is the best screen.

(24:49):
She's my favorite Herb killer reveal monologue in Scream 4.
I don't need friends, I need fucking fans.
It's one of my favorite, favorite movie moments of all
time. And So what for you to the drew
you to that idea? How did you come up with that
idea? You know, I, I, I thought about
this and I can't exactly remember.
All I know is that I wanted to come up with something that

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could be both erotic and interesting in other ways.
You know, have have a certain amount of comedy, dramatic, you
know? It was so good.
And love the screen movies. I think the best horror has
comedy in it. And yeah, I just, and once I
spoke to you and you, as you know, obviously your reputation

(25:31):
precedes you as a Fister, but underneath that was this was
this massive screen fanboy. And and so I'm like, my God,
this is this is a perfect match.The only reason, Well, there's a
bunch of reasons why I didn't have time to pursue it and, you
know, get myself out there to todo it before now, but I still

(25:52):
want to. I still want.
Because I thought it was a me thing.
I thought it was OK. Good.
No, no, no, I totally still wantto do that.
A bunch of things happened, including the person who got
elected and what I needed to do to make sure I was going to be
safe in this country. Yeah, so.
But no, I totally still want to do that.
And. I'm getting hopefully my surgery
next month, so I'll be back in the gym.

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And so, yeah. So if that's still on the table,
that's good. Is it still on table?
Yeah. No, Absolutely sweet.
OK, cool. The the script is so funny and
it's it's so it's I remember reading it and just being like
this is gold. This is so far.
This is even if whatever ends upbecoming of it, just to be part
of a scream parody yeah would beamazing.

(26:34):
So that's cool. I.
Know I'm I'm super excited you're not still up for it.
Yeah. I I'd internalize this, not
talking about it since now till now I'd internalized it as I had
done something where you'd foundsomebody else or something God.
No, I'm so sorry that you felt that way.
I it's just my life getting in the way is what what it is.

(26:54):
OK, all right, cool. So we're so we're still, we're
still go. Are you excited for Scream 7 the
trailer? I am always excited for the next
screen movie. I'm Scream for me is one of
those, you know, franchises where I am its bitch and I've
enjoyed some more than others and I I've I I mean I I thought

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the original trilogy were were like I like them all the way to
the third one more than more than other people do, I mean I
think. Did you like 5 and 6?
I'm. Actually losing track of which
is rich now. I think I did. 5 introduces the
sisters Jenna, Ortega and Melissa, Melissa, whatever
Billy's daughter basically and so that's a big.
Yes. And so, but they're not in New

(27:39):
York. They're they're, they're still
in, they're still in Woodsboro at that point.
They're still in Woodsboro in five and then 6 takes place.
In New York, yes. Yeah, I liked, I liked both of
those. I will admit 4 is the weakest
century, 4 is the weakest century, but it's also like the
best the best killer monologue Ifeel like.
I mean, I, I feel like Scream issimilar to James Bond in that

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you can sort of enjoy them more on on repeat viewing because
there are enough of them now that you're going, oh, wait, is
this the one where where they, where they jump over the fence
and then impale themselves on The thing is the, it was just
the one where he jumps out from the closet and blah, blah, blah.
Do you know what I mean? It's like.
Yeah, yeah. And it's just five and six.
I'm so happy that breathe the new life into the franchise, and

(28:26):
I'm so bummed that I can't remember what her last name is.
Melissa something it starts withABI think but like that they
fired her and then Jenna Ortega quit the next day.
I'm bummed about that. But yeah, so I'm but I'm I'm I'm
there's a there's a there's a fake teaser that I thought was
real that's on the Internet right now for seven that I that
looks so real. Moving on from Scream, this was

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really when you came out of semiretirement to film for me
because you hadn't done. I don't know if you've done much
much film work before the hungerff.com launch.
I think maybe you've done a little bit.
So I think, I think it's probably more accurate to call
it, I mean, it's fitting heads really.
But 'cause I retirement in the sense that I'd, I hadn't, I
didn't feel it was necessary to make.

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I didn't think anyone was going to go.
What if I, if I announced retirement?
I also wasn't saying I'm never planning on doing this again.
It was more a case of I'd done, I'd done as much as I felt I
really wanted to, and if opportunities came along in the
future that I like the sound of,I was open to them, which
included. And so for the time between my

(29:29):
last sort of studio movie and when we got together, I was
still doing plenty of product shoots for Mr. S.
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember. Because because I'm right in the
doorstep and they have always been super fun.
I've always liked the poke photos that I've that, that have
come out of that. So I was still doing that kind
of thing. And, you know, and sometimes

(29:50):
they were like, like, you know, many, many porn scenes within,
within that. So yeah, when when when the
opportunity opportunity came up to to do a scene with you,
frankly, like, like many of the of the scenes I filmed, you
know, in in the post studio era,it's been a look, I want to play
with you and and I'm. More than happy to film it.

(30:11):
Nice, awesome. I remember just being so I'll
when I was putting that together, it felt like I was
putting together an album release with like as features
and and so I had Rocco steel, Will Angel, like Richards, and I
was like announcing it like it was a fucking album launch and
just so excited to have so many people come to bat for me.
It meant a lot, a lot to me thatyou filmed that scene with me.

(30:32):
So I just want to take a minute and say thank you for doing that
scene with. You are so welcome.
It was, it was no hardship, it was, it was great pleasure.
It was very hot. I remember we played in your
your hot, your apartment, your hot.
In this very room. Oh, in that room.
OK, Nice. Yeah, it was super fun.
I had a great time. And you were super hospitable

(30:52):
and super nice. And I was at the same weekend as
the as the leather men's discussion group thing.
I feel it might have been because I think that was the
first time we met. I can't.
Do that out, Yeah. So maybe I just, I know, I know,
I know. I probably would generally have
tried not to put those two things in the same.

(31:14):
Yeah, yeah. The amount of work, the stress
and work and all that. But yeah, you guys were in your,
your partners were super nice and everything that was.
Wasn't it? Wasn't it a separate visit you
made to San Francisco and you were rooming with Emmett Frost?
Could probably have been yeah, that's probably likely to
because I that's, that's probably it.
So, yeah, that was a, that was asecond trip I had done because

(31:38):
he and I, yeah, I did an episodewith him early on about what
it's like to travel with me because we did a lot of
troubleshoots together. And I have, I have a really bad
habit of like, I'm not, I'm, I'ma very tidy person at home.
But when I go to hotels, for some reason, like thing comes
over me and I'm just like, yeah,everywhere.
And he's just like, how do you function like this?
I'm like, I don't know, I'm not liking this all the time.
It's just something that happensto me when I go to hotels.

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So are there anybody that you'rewatching today that you're
really interested in or guys that you would want to want to
work with now that you're stepping back into doing content
again? So I started thinking about the.
Question. Ah, there's a list.
You, you can stop me when you get bored.

(32:21):
This is amazing. So I, I split this in these
intersections. So biggest crushes that I've
seen and I'm like and some of these guys are are definitely at
least you know, have done fisting.
Some of them are totally into fisting.
Some of them anyway. Teddy Hunter.
Oh my God, he's the best. Oh.
He's the best. I've had a bit of a chat about

(32:42):
filming content but also filminga different kind of a more
serious dramatic short. He's a neighbor of yours, Ryan.
Daddy gym rat. Yeah, he's nice.
Yeah. There's a guy in Europe, I
forget where exactly, and I'm not sure how I pronounce his
name. Frankie, Frank, Frankie.
Oh, Frankie T Frankie T. OK.

(33:03):
Well, it's like Frankie with AT at the end, like he's like kind
of like the short crop dark hairwith the the big earrings.
And this is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Big Dick buddy. OK.
Swell pussy. Swell pussy is amazing.
Oh my God, sorry. Yeah he is so and he came to my
apartment a couple months ago and played and he's a filthy

(33:24):
pig. He is so much fun.
I, I mean, he looked at I, I would, I would, yeah.
Dream like Davies in London, OK Muscle Bear Manny in LA seems to
like cigars so Simon James. Simon James.
He's in Atlanta. I think so.
Yeah, I think I played with him and his ex-husband years ago and
it was it was super fun. Yeah.

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And a fellow who I'm friends with on Facebook and I couldn't
when I was when I was preparing for today.
I couldn't find his profile again on on Twitter or blue sky.
But his handle was no boots. Based in the New York area then.
Like so more in the sort of sortof very much vistas category.
Fireboy. Apologies for the pronunciation

(34:06):
of this, but Thiago boss. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
And some of these, by the way, Ieither have played with or
although I don't know if I've got to any of those in this
particular list or we have talked about playing.
Yeah, there's at least some. I'll get to where where we play,
but we were so focused on playing, we didn't.

(34:27):
I'm trying to get Thiago to comeon Bro Lapse, but he doesn't
speak English and so I have to get like a translator to come
on. So which I've done one.
When I did Matthew Paris for Legends, I did the same thing I
had a translator for. That so Johnny Walker and Teddy
Bryce Brogan, a rider guy calledMax Mussels from Minnesota, your
friend and and best friends of another friend of mine, Alex

(34:48):
Ticas. Oh yeah, yeah, I love him.
Gabriel Gates this I think he's AI.
Think he's an Aussie or Kiwi. Fat chance of actually
connecting with him. But a guy called Tom Booty.
OK, if you haven't stumbled across his stuff, look him up.
Super sexy. OK then for the size queen in me
Horse Papo. I knew you were going to say
him. I knew it.

(35:09):
I like he's going to say horse Papo first.
Muscle Peppy. Ralph Rose Small, Wade, Wolfgar.
Oh, I love Wade. And there's a guy, there's a guy
in LA who seems to be quite short, super handsome, fucking
sane Dick on him. Like by any standards, but
especially given how how tall heappears not to be and then the

(35:33):
guys I have definitely talked about following within.
In fact, the first two Kaden Fallon and Hamish lock from the
UK who have played this, but we didn't get chance to set up the
cameras. Iron Trainer from from Atlanta
Muscle. Bulls.
He's in Atlanta now. I thought he was.
OK, he used to live here. He used to live here in Fort
Lauderdale. OK, it's entirely possible I'm
getting that one, I thought in my head.

(35:54):
He's in Atlanta. And I don't know if you knew
this, but muscle bulls actually built hunger.
Ff.com. Oh, no, I didn't.
Yeah, so they. Yeah, I'm really tight with them
there and I was just talking. I still stay in touch with them.
They built the whole site. We've talked about playing and
since we have to move to San Diego.
It makes anything happen. Yeah, yeah.

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Marco Stallion, who I'm actuallycould have film within a week or
two, fell ball from Berlin. Oh, I know he's gorgeous.
We. Actually played during during
Berlin a couple of years ago. So but we didn't not in a
filming kind of capacity. Then there's a bunch of guys who
are sort of more into leather BDSM, maybe fist thing, but you
know the leather. Kirk Tyler Rex Alpha ball 69.

(36:37):
I'm not sure if he's doing any filming with anyone else, but
he's fucking gorgeous. Austin Lacrosse, Jason Parker
Band Eagle who I who I know socially.
I've never actually discussed filming with him yet, so if
you're listening. Please pick me.
People I'd love to film with again.
Gunner Gates didn't quite get around to fisting him.

(36:57):
Would really like to do that. Emmett Frost and which hopefully
will be happening in a couple ofweeks.
Daddy Lobo, who I just filmed with in Vancouver.
Super lovely, very sexy, loads of fun.
You obviously. As you say, as I, please say me
and. Yeah.
So, I mean, but look, I've, I'vethere's, I'm sure there's, I'm

(37:17):
sure there are more people I'd love to film with than I could
possibly have time to film with,even if only half of them wanted
to film with me too. Yeah.
That was that was really that was I love that you came with a
list. The preparation man, that's
amazing. And I and and I know most of
those guys. I know most of them personally.
So it's it's it's funny. I I want to film with horse Popo

(37:38):
as well. I mean, I don't even know.
I don't know if I'm on his radar.
I don't know if I'm in his in his periphery, but he's I
subscribe to his just for fans page and just yeah, his videos
are amazing. He's so hot.
He's just and. And I just I love, I love how
much he loves whole and how he'sgotten more versatile.
Lately it seems he's been doing a little bit more verse stuff.
So it's hot. So as somebody who's been doing

(37:59):
videos since like 2008 era, you've watched Fistine go from
being very underground to something that's more mainstream
accepted and people can watch iton their phones.
People can basically access fisting at any time.
What excites you about that change, and what do you think
has been lost in the fact that fisting has gone from being such
a niche kink to being such a monster kink?

(38:19):
I mean there are there are a bunch of different angles to
look at this from. I think the best one is the
more, the more free and unafraidpeople can feel about sex.
That's that's the top level kindof my top level kind of go to
with with this and and things around sex.
Now, that being said, I'm well aware, particularly for myself

(38:43):
anyway, I mean, but I know I'm not alone in this.
How part of what has always madekink fun is the sense that I'm
being transgressive. And how can you be
transgressive? If if it's completely normal and
everyone's doing it and you know, but it that actually come
comes to something that I spent a reasonable amount of time
thinking about before landing onan as far as satisfied with,

(39:03):
which is what is kink? If it's kinky because it's not
something you you would normallydo, it ceases to become kinky
the the 20th time or, or possibly before that.
And if it's kinky because everybody else thinks it's
weird, what happens when everyone doesn't doesn't think
it's weird? And I think those those are both
sort of those can feed into whatis kinky.

(39:24):
But I think I eventually came tothe conclusion that kink is a
kind of, like I said before, when you're engaging the mind
and the imagination much more than you do in vanilla sex,
where it's it's very much about the sensuality and the
physicality now. And I know there are lots of
people who are into kink for whom, you know, they can quite

(39:47):
happily leave their their Dick and their asshole out of the
whole equation and good for them.
You know, personally, I like them involved, although I can
have a really fucking good session with just these and, and
nothing else going on down here.So, but it's, it's, it's using
this. And So what I have also found is
that when it comes to the stuff that I have felt transgressive

(40:09):
around. And just to clarify, when I say
transgressive, I'm not talking about anything that would
involve A victim. I'm not talking about anything
that. No, Just yeah.
Right. Yeah.
And anything that, that it's transgressive, partly because,
well, most mostly because a bunch of uptight people think
it's wrong and have and have made me feel that way about it.

(40:31):
But I'm doing it. In fact.
In fact, I, I have a theory thatas gay men raised in a world
that tells us homosexuality is wrong.
Certainly my generation was, I don't think you were that far
behind me. We once we've discovered, well,
first of all that to a degree weeroticize that we learn how to
eroticize what is transgressive,but then we also question

(40:54):
anything that we are told is wrong and go, well, you said
that about this so and it turnedout to be a whole load of fun.
So what about all the other naughty things that I'm not
supposed to do that? Right, all the taboo things that
were were taboo are actually. Right.
Yeah. I think there's also an element
most people can can relate to, the feeling that, you know,

(41:16):
there was, they used to really enjoy being into that band
before everyone else had heard of.
I know that feeling. Right, right.
But the, but the truth is, even though that's an understandable,
you know, I think that's partly about having something that's
yours. You know that not everybody you

(41:39):
know has their hands on or in. Yeah, slapping.
Like I was like I was into fisting before fisting was cool.
Right, Exactly, exactly. I think there's also an element
maybe for some people of I don'twant to belong to a club that
would have me as a member, you know, the old Groucho Marx.
And so if everybody's into it, then it's like, it's not.

(42:02):
For me, yeah, sure. But I think on balance, on
balance, it's given that I believe most people could enjoy
it. I mean, it takes for most people
a considerable amount of, of effort to train and, and get
ready. But most people, I would say
that that the truest, biggest, and it's not even a thing that's
been lost because I don't think it's worse, worse now than it

(42:24):
was before. And that is because some people
make it look so easy. It's, I think it's all too easy
for people to, you know, explore, try a big toy, have a
friend try to put their hand in them.
Get, get nowhere close to where you or, or, you know, so many
other people nowadays are, are getting and feel like they're
not cut out for it. And that's not true, right?

(42:47):
I also, I also worry about the risks that some people will take
trying to push themselves as faras other people are are pushing
themselves. And that's not good either.
But but the answer to that isn'thide it all away.
Again, the answer is improve theeducation that's available
about. It right, and that's that's
that's very true. And that's kind of what I'm
trying to do here is to kind of live with my ask me anythings

(43:07):
and stuff like that is to try toeducate again and let people
know that there's in or, you know, make information and
there's sites like a fist fist theory.
Have you been to Fist theory? fisttheory.com is really,
really, really cool. It's run by a friend of mine
that he does. He's created the coursework
slash curriculum for every aspect of fisting from beginner

(43:27):
all the way to shoulder deep type fisting like from and it's
really it's research source cited all that stuff.
It's fist theory.com. I had him on.
He did. We had so much we had such a
long talk that I had to divide it into two episodes because it
was it was just so much stuff togo over.
Yeah, it was really and it's really good stuff.
So yeah, Fist theory is amazing.That's and that's really
interesting. I like the analogy of being into

(43:48):
a band before the band got popular because it's like, I
relate to that so much because that's a lot of times I feel
fisting is the new bareback. It's like for a while bareback
was the transgressive thing or you know, and that was like
taboo and whatever. And then prep comes out and
everybody's bare backing. And so it's fisting sort of
became like the new bare backingwhere it's like it's the sort of
still somewhat transgressive, but also it's moving to being

(44:11):
mainstream again or mainstream for the first time.
So it's is it, it's surprising to me.
I see. But then I also wonder, are
these guys actually into fisting?
Are they just doing fisting because they think it's trendy?
You know, because there's a lot of guys they see that do fisting
videos that I'm just like, do they even they don't seem like
they're super into it. I don't know.
It's just it is it's a weird. It's a great time to be a Fister

(44:31):
period, but it's also it is kindof as being part of like I don't
want to. I don't consider myself part of
the old guard of fisters, but being into fisting before it was
what it is. Now it's it's a totally
different ball game. I mean, Wilson, I will say that
when it comes to playing with people, I'm very happy that
there are more fisters and why why that is.

(44:54):
And and I I'm fairly certain youdon't need this explaining to
you, But you know, if anyone's listening to this, who's who's
listening to it because they want to understand the whole
thing better. There is a as you know, there is
a world of difference between I'm happy to fist you and I
want, I want to fist you, right?You know, don't do me any favors
if you're not excited about this, we'll do something.

(45:16):
Else yeah, exactly. It's it's a difference between
being into fisting or being a Fister.
It's, you know, somebody could be into fisting sort of, but
they'll do it if they have to versus somebody who's that's
their. And I have a hard time meeting
fisters in general. Yeah, and.
I, I, I would, I would hasten to, to like because I could
imagine myself listening to thatconversation.

(45:37):
I'm thinking, well, how do I know if I'm a fist, you know, am
I, am I, am I authentic enough? Am I real enough?
Am I, Do I, do I, do I pass thattest?
And it's as simple as Do you want to do this?
Yeah, that's, that's true. That's what I that's what it
boils down to. Is you do want to do fisting or
is it just sort of? Like something you're going
along with because it seems to be what everyone wants from you.

(45:57):
Right. OK, so I have one more question
before I'm going to wrap up and ask where people can find you on
the Internet. So I wanted you.
You had told me that you're justgetting ready to launch your
drone Just for Fans page. What kind of content can your
fans expect and how are you approaching this new chapter of
Dolan Wolf? So fisting cigars, one of the

(46:23):
challenges is the longer that list get list gets, the harder
it is to give enough people whatthey want.
Yeah, right. But you know, you can put
someone in leather, tie them into a sling and smoke as a girl
while you fist them. So you can cover a lot of bases
in in one scene with and. I signed up for that scene.
You totally Shank. Yeah, but yeah, no.

(46:45):
And I think I feel so. There's a bunch of reasons why I
haven't done it before now, but why I haven't launched it in
before now. One of them, one of the big
ones, is I wanted to have enoughstuff in the bank.
Yeah, that's the smartest way todo it.
I didn't need to feel if I don'tfilm something this week, I'm
not going to have anything to put out and therefore I'm going

(47:06):
to do something that I'm not really going to enjoy.
Yeah, you know, so, so that's now that being said, it's, it
was really interesting listeningto some of your other episodes
and, and listening to people talk about the balance or the,
or the, the difference between between playing and enjoying it
and being performative. Because I mean, especially when
you are into the, the dress up of leather or anything else for

(47:29):
that matter. But you know, for me, leather is
the big one. There's an element of
performance there, you know, I don't, I don't go around like
this when I, I don't dress like this when I go to the
supermarket, you know, And so I don't mind.
In fact, I enjoy a certain amount of performativeness.
Now I also want that the enjoyment that's happening in
the play with the performance tobe as real as possible.

(47:50):
And I, I've got huge admiration for your approach of, of I'm
going to show you the scene frombeginning to end, including
Chip. I need to take a break.
This isn't working for me or or.That's how like all my scenes
end is. I think I need a break.
So, and I'm not saying I won't do any of that, but but I, I
feel like I want to sort of givethe performance and and edit it
accordingly. And then I would also, I also do

(48:11):
want to do some kind of editorial content where I talk
about filming and also. Like behind the scenes stuff,
Like behind the scenes stuff. I find the scenes stuff, you
know, a whole range of things that over the years I've talked
to other people who I played with, who you know, I've
encountered in in lots of different places.

(48:31):
I'll give you probably my best example is the number of people
that I've encountered who have been going to or or already at
an event like the Folsom St. Fair or International Mr.
Leather or whatever, whatever itis probably applies to to fist
Fest as well. I I've been once, but not for a
few years, and the thing I hear over and over again is people

(48:52):
expressing their uncertainty about whether they belong.
They look at the crowd and in their eyes they're seeing a
bunch of people who all know thesecret language, all know the
secret handshake. Are are are only belong there
because they know what they're doing and, and and and they,
they're looking at this and theydon't.

(49:13):
And the crazy irony of that phenomenon is that I couldn't
almost guarantee that the one thing more people at those
events have in common than anything else than leather than
fisting than than whatever they're into is the feeling that
they they are now outside this this group that all know each
other and know what they do. And if those and if those people

(49:35):
could realize that actually, actually they are the ones who
belong the most. Yeah, I mean, I feel that even,
I mean, sometimes I feel I get anxious.
I just went to my first fist fest in years and I went totally
sober and I went and I was just how am I going to do this?
I don't know how I'm going to dothis.
I don't know. I was so nervous about being
there and just being a part of it.

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But then once I got there I feltI guess a little bit more safer,
just better with the build up for me was a lot of anxiety.
But then once I got there, I felt.
And I think what you just said speaks to, to, to sort of what
I, what I want to aim at in the,in the editorial stuff, which is
people are frequently afraid that they're not enough or, or
that they're, or that they can'tdo the thing.

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And I know that feeling I have, I have felt that feeling and
I've, I consider myself lucky that I've had the support and
whatever it is I've needed to not every single time, but on a
bunch of, you know, a bunch of really important ways and, and
times gone past that. And by getting past that have
had the most amazing experiences.

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But it hasn't been without disappointments or without
setbacks. You know, there was a time.
So I filmed 1 scene for Katsu. Couldn't be happier with it.
I managed to work with ChristianHerzog, who sadly is no longer
with us. My my porn and fisting idol.
He was also super lovely as wellas super sexy.
But to get there, I went throughtwo false starts with them.

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So I flew all the way to Germany.
He, we were on location in new action and my scene partner, God
bless him. I don't know what the problem
was, whether he was French and couldn't quite understand the
English that the director was speaking or he was just nervous
or whatever, but he, he was really, really struggling to
take direction. And the scene was getting longer
and longer and longer. I was getting tireder and

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tireder and tireder. On top of that.
He didn't really have much experience as a top.
And so I was starting to get anxious about that.
And then what he started trying to play with my asset was, you
know, it was a struggle. And eventually about 5 hours
into this shoot, the director, the director takes the director
takes me aside and says, I thinkI'm thinking we're going to have

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to abort this. And I have never felt that way
about the scene before. But I agreed with him.
I, I was like, yeah, I, I feel like we are.
So we aborted the scene. I flew home to the UK, wasn't
paid. Oh my God.
And I swallowed that because I really wanted to do a scene with
Cato. I'd, I'd always admired the look

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and the, and the vibe. I really wanted to be, you know,
to have that under my belt. So I go home and we and we
rearrange for a month's time. He sends me a bunch of options
for scene partners and I pick one and he chooses a different
one. And, and I thought rather than
risk getting there and having a similar sort of experience, I'm

(52:25):
going to play with him in advance because you lived in
London. We're going to make sure that he
knows what he's doing and I'm comfortable and, and we're going
to get there and it's going to be great.
So we get there and I do not know what the problem was.
I've got a suspicion, but that'sneither here nor there.
The point is that this guy, for different reasons, was really
struggling. Well, actually I should say he
was struggling. But I think we probably could

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have gotten through it. And in fact, when the director
started to do, you know, I don'tthink we, you know, we're not
getting this or we're not going to.
It's not going to work. Having been through what I'd
already been through, I, I did something that is really not
typical for me. And I think, I think the reason
I did it is I, I didn't have time to think about it.
It was very in the moment and I was like, actually, I think we

(53:08):
can get through this. The thing we're struggling the
most with right now is your attitude, The.
Director shit girl. So I'm happy to continue, but
it's your call, he decided. We weren't going to continue.
Oh my God, who is this? Well, this is none of my
business. We're like damn.
So we, we, we, we go into the changing area.
We're we're getting ready. The director comes in looking

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kind of sheepish, realizing, youknow, he's asked asked to be
much by this stage. And at this point, at this
point, I'm thinking, I don't care what happens now.
I'm fucking getting paid whetherI whether I get to film with
capsule or not, but he comes in and he's saying in saying, I
don't know what to do, you know,blah, blah.
And I said, well, look, I fly home at 5:00 tomorrow.

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Last time we aborted the thing. I reached out to to Christian
and he said he'd be up for doingit.
You said no, so we didn't do it that time.
Shall we try him now? So Long story short, we did.
He was available. We shot the next day and it was
fucking awesome as well as challenging in in certain ways,
including the fact, including the fact that because I had to

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fly when I had to fly, we were we were running out of time to
get everything done. Yeah, I've been on those shoots.
Right. And anyway, so we, we finally,
we finally sort of climaxed the scene with me squatting on a on
a table on his first hanging from a chain, jerking off, which
was not easy. I mean, it was, it was, it was

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fun, but it was not easy, right?As most porn is that I mean the
the really cool stuff is not funto film.
No, well, you know, I love the creativity and the and the and
the making it work. But yeah, it's not fun in the
way that play is just fun, you know.
But anyway, so I come and it's brilliant.
I mean, just all together that it all worked.
The director says to the to the sound guy, what's the time?

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And the director and the sound guy tells him he's like, we
could have got another 10 minutes at that point.
I'm like, yeah, there's no pleasing some people.
Yeah, no way. Fuck, I remember that scene
though. I think I, I think I remember
that scene. You're you're a Christian.
Right. Yeah.
And and and so. But if I didn't tell that story
and all people saw was that singing, they wouldn't have a

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clue how much perseverance went in together.
Exactly. You know, and so I so I, I
definitely want to, you know, keep in my output.
So there's definitely times where I want to keep what's
behind the scenes, behind the scenes, right.
I'm put on the show, but I also want to let people in to, hey,
don't imagine that I just woke up in the morning and then and
then jumped on this toy without any effort whatsoever.

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And The thing is, it also validates their sex life and
makes them feel like they're normal and just like what
they're seeing. And that because that's what I
think a big problem with the type of porn that was out for
those popular for a while is that it was invalidating a lot
of people's sex life. If it didn't look like what they
were doing, I were seeing on screen, then it wasn't good
enough. And they just feel good enough
about their own sex life. That's why I try to show as much

(55:59):
real sex as I can because it's afield sets a better precedent, a
better example for for people tocompare themselves against.
Exactly. So that's like much wrap for the
questions that I had for you. I was going to ask you where
people can follow you, support you, and keep up with your new
projects. Where's the best place to find
more information about you online?

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So you'd think this would be thebit I'd actually done my
homework on, but whoa. OK.
So, I mean, I'm on Bruce Sky andI'm on Twitter.
Blue sky, I think Dolan Wolf. Just Dolan, Wolf.
Dolan Wolf on blue sky and a Dolan Wolf XXX on Twitter.
Or if you really want to call itX, you can call it X on.

(56:40):
I ought to be able to tell you my Just for Fans handle, and
it's probably Dolan Wolf. It's but it's your Twitter
handle. Is it?
Is it my Twitter handle? Yeah, generally speaking, it's
your Twitter handle. Yeah.
OK. Well then, then it's my Twitter
handle, but it's not live yet. So if all goes well this week
with the pressure of your releasing this on Friday.
Hey, put it on your dresser Vans.

(57:00):
Pardon, I'll give it you give you a copy to put in dresser
pads all. Of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect.
Yeah, Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah.
Awesome. Awesome.
Yeah, so. Well, that's cool.
So then the pressure's on for metoo.
You know, I usually get these done and edited by I have, I
have them up on Friday nights at8:00 and this past week I was

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done editing and uploading it at7:50.
I was because I, my grandmother was in the hospital this past
week. So I was with her almost every
day. So I had AI was much tighter
time, time constraint this week.Thank you for your time today
very much. This is really great
conversation. So happy to reconnect with you.
I'm really happy that the screamthing is still on because I'd

(57:42):
honestly like, I was like reallytelling myself, I'm like, he
found somebody else. No, no, no, no, no, no.
That that that gig is yours. OK, cool.
All right, so let me get my gym body back after I get my my.
I've got plenty to get on with in the meantime, so you go
ahead. OK, cool.
So all right you guys, this has been episode 53 of Bro Labs.
If you guys are enjoying the show, we are on Apple, Amazon,
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I'll also give Dolan a copy to put on his page this week if he
if he launches it or yes in the future.
So yeah, you guys can look forward to next week's episode.
I'll catch you guys again next week.
And again, thank you, Dolan Wolffor being on the show.
Thank you. Bye.
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