September 26, 2025 • 49 mins
This week on Brolapse, we’re slipping into something slick with one of the most respected rubber pigs in the game—@RubberKai. From his early days at the Hoist in London to becoming the guy people gear up for, Kai shares how rubber became not just his fetish, but his lifestyle.
We explore how latex and fisting became an inseparable combo for him—covering everything from the mental clarity that comes with being encased, to the sheer practicality of cleanup. We also dive deep into gear care, repair, and the emotional intimacy that rubber can unlock. Whether it’s opera, disco, or Berghain techno, Kai’s scenes are as wild as they are intentional—and always encased.
This episode is proudly sponsored by Invincible Rubber, creators of handcrafted latex menswear designed to push limits. From laser-cut holiday fantasy looks to Ryan’s custom tops for post-surgery play, Invincible’s craftsmanship and fearlessness shine through. RubberKai shares what makes them one of the best brands in the world of kink gear.
If you’ve ever wondered why the latex scene feels more queer, more creative, and more human than anything else—this episode peels back the catsuit to reveal the messy, beautiful heart of it all.
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Welcome to Bro Labs, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back for
another episode of Bro Labs. This is episode 54.
I'm super excited today. This is my second sponsored
episode. I have Invincible Rubber
sponsoring today's episode, and today's entire episode is going
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to be evolved revolving around the intersection between rubber
and fisting with one of my really good friends, Rubber Kai.
So thank you for coming on today.
Hey there. How are you digitally?
Digitally. We've been setting up for a
couple minutes, so we've had a chance to talk a little bit and
I'm really looking forward to doing this with you.
I'm like I said earlier, grateful for your time.
We'll go ahead and get started. So when did your love for rubber
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first begin and how did it evolve into such a big part of
your kink identity? Because it's kind of like what
you're known for, I feel like. Me.
No. I've been into dark and shiny
things since I was legally allowed to be.
I Surely. After I turned 18, I went to a
finished factory party in South Florida.
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OK, 04 And then I was looking after you study abroad in London
and when I turned 20 there, thatwas fall O 6 and that was still
back when the hoist was open andbackstreet was open.
And every Friday a large herd ofqueers would end up at
backstreet in rubber. And I got to enjoy a variety of
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fetish events there. And I'd been like interested in
the shiny things and interested in bondage and a variety of
things. Perversions, shall we?
Since I was able old enough to or able to jerk off and I got to
explore those things really young, which is something that I
really, I'm glad that I had my sexual awakening so young.
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Yeah, me too. One of my partners didn't really
come out into a sexual awakeninguntil he was in his mid 30s and
he missed his twink era. OK.
And then? Twink era, now that you put it
that way, I had one of those. Two, I was skinny.
I was 6 foot tall and I earned 60 lbs and I was a live thing
who wore a small tall and that was a different world for me at
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least I've gone all the way up to Excel and I'm comfortably
back at a medium tall or large. So I remember thinking I was fat
back then. I remember I was just, I, I
remember thinking I was fat. And I look back at pictures of
myself and I'm like, Jesus Christ, somebody should have fed
me a sandwich at some point. And nobody did.
Yeah, when your guest goes concave, that's generally not an
upside. Not a cute look.
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So it's been part of. So you you obviously got exposed
to it somewhere younger and thensome switch probably clicked in
your head and you were like, oh,gangster, yeah.
It's a little bit of the ADHD. Oh, shiny.
And then I just jumped on that and went about. 10 miles.
OK, yeah, just start. Do you remember the first time
you mixed rubber and fisting together?
Since this is this is a fisting podcast, generally speaking.
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So when was the first time that you did rubber and fisting
together? What made it click?
Pretty much I've always done rubber with fisting.
It's always rubber and then fisting.
At least I started in rubber when I was 18 and I started
fisting when I was 20 again thatthat fall that I was living in
London, there's was an amazing amount of Finnish guys there.
And so my little butthole slowlygot opened up in the course of a
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month or two and I got very openand.
I'm familiar you're. Familiar you're familiar with
with our accomplished acquired works together?
Yes, yes. I got doubled probably the when
I was about 31, so a little overa decade later.
I really didn't go for width until I was farther into the
into the community, but I was able to start investing around
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then. I joked that I don't.
I don't If it's naked, I'm usually looking for gear.
I'm looking for some intersection on both.
I can. I can attest to the fact that we
went through one last time you were here.
I think we wore every single piece of gear that I own, every
single piece needed, needed a bath after we were done.
So. Yeah.
And they're all still hanging inmy bathroom in the studio.
So yeah, they all, they're, I haven't, I'm so lazy.
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I haven't put them away yet. So they're all.
You washed them like I haven't washed it since we last played
and I'm like. No, no, I didn't do that.
I didn't actually wash it. My a friend of mine came here
because I did have them sitting in the kitchen sink for a couple
maybe a week or two after you'd got you'd left.
And then my friend and he's like, yeah, I'm going to clean
these for you. And so my friend did all the
rubber laundry for me. So I didn't do.
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It thankful you have friends whotake care of you.
Yes, that is it. Takes a fucking village bro.
I've been told by people that I am the person that they gear up
for, that they will put on more gear because I'm coming to play
with them. I'm the person in their king
circle and their feather circle that they will actively thrown a
cap suit for or actively sweat for.
I'm yeah, I will say that's that's that's fair because I
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don't play usually I just play in tragedy.
I mean, I play in latex more so lately partially, you know, this
this episode is I said sponsoredby invincible rubber.
They just made me 4 new tops to cover up the ever since I got
the injury and the sesame bag. So it's I needed something, you
know, I think we popped a shirt when we were here.
Yeah, so. And Andrew, OK, we were mildly
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abusive to gear. Yeah, yeah, to myself.
So it's OK, but I mean, it's allrepairable.
Hopefully so, but I needed something that was going to be
easier for me to to conceal it. And so I they made me all these
tops with zippers on the front so I don't have to drag it over
the bag. I can just hold it on and zip it
up. But so that's that's, that is
true though, that you are the probably that person for a lot
of people that you get geared upfor because I, I wear more gear
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when I'm with you than with anybody else.
So. That makes me so proud.
Be the change you want to see inthe world, I was told in high
school. And so I've decided to do that
in entirely the wrong context, but I'm enjoying it thus far.
The joke that I really wanted tomake, as you were saying it, is
that they made you 4 new tops. And I'm like, you really go
through tops, don't you? I do go through them.
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I burn through them like they'renot things.
I know. And we'll just leave that one
there. Yeah.
So what does being encased in rubber do for you, for your
mindset when you're playing? Like what?
I know that for me, it makes me feel sexier.
It makes me feel like when I have a full cat suit on, I feel
it just makes me feel sexy. And I remember the first time
that I put latex on, I got a hard on.
The first time I put it on, I was like super into it.
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So what does it do for you do? What does it do your mindset
during a scene? On one hand, it hides the flaws
about my humanity that I don't love Vertically.
I'm happy with 90% of my body, but there's 6 inches in the
middle. I've just never been happy.
And when I throw in a cat suit or when I throw on and I still
single like this, it pulls in the pieces of me that I don't
love. So I feel sexier.
I feel prouder of my body. That's something that I work on
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my personal trainer and my therapist with the in case the
encasement drives me to focus onwhat's in front of me.
I'm so easily distracted by anything that goes by anything
that that I think about any thought.
So rubber and a full suit or full gear and its presence
around me kind of narrows my thoughts, narrows what I'm
thinking and keeps me much more focused on the top in front of
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me or the bottom in front of me or the hole in front of me,
really, or the hole that I am. Yeah.
And it helps me focus my mind. That's awesome.
I've never really thought about it like that, but that's,
that's, that's really interesting how it just how
different my, you know, my experience for it, but actually
not, not so different because I just feel it's sort of the same
for me now as far as wanting to hide certain parts of myself
that are, you know, not not flattering for my my brain
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anymore. And so because she's definitely
packed down a few pounds since the surgery happens and breaking
my large size tops. And you didn't go to an excel.
So that's really interesting though, that it makes you focus
on lasers. You're focusing.
That's that's really kind of kind.
Of it really does, it's not quite sensory deprivation in
that way. It's not a blindfold.
It's not cutting off auditory input, It's not cutting in
temperature input or anything like that.
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In fact, like temperature input is even more increased.
You feel the breeze go by even with it on.
It's rubber can be the worst thing to wear for temperature.
In the winter, it's freezing because you feel the
temperature. In the summer.
It doesn't allow you to sweat orallow your sweat to evaporate in
the same way. So it's terrible to wear, but
God, it turns me on. Yeah.
People think that latex is always hot, but what they don't,
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I don't think they realize is that it just amplifies the
temperature around you. It's going to, you're in the,
you're in Florida heat and you're just like, and then
you're in like Mid-Atlantic. I, I, I remember going to Mal
one year and I wore, I brought all latex and I got there and I
went outside for a split second.I was like, holy shit, it's
fucking cold outside. It was took like the temperature
just made it so much more intense.
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So exactly, you really do feel what's around you.
Your body hairs can't help you keep warm or keep cool.
So you are very exposed to the temperature outlets.
Sure. So from your perspective, why do
rubber and fisting go so well together?
What's the magic in that combo? What do you what do you think
makes it work so good together? One of the greatest parts about
rubber is the from the aspect offisting.
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Very easy clean up. It's not actually damaged by any
of the water based lubes. Silicone based lubes.
If you are a classic Chris goer then it's not really friendly
for that and any of the oil based lubes, but most of the
fistors I know use JKX Lube, fist powder or something like
that and those are all very friendly to rubber.
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Usually after a rubber scene or play scene I will literally just
walk into the shower wearing exactly what you're seeing me
now and it's easy to just throw in a bucket.
A little bit of Dawn and it's easy to clean.
Leather, it's hard to clean after after with any of those
lubes, which is why a lot of those other guys are still the
Crisco guys. Neoprene, again, you can throw
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the washing machine or you have other options with it, but it's
again hard to clean. Rubber is just so easy to clean
with any of the lubes that we use for it.
There's a lot of fisters who find the crossover very enduring
because with a lot of latex, it's easy to have a very open
crotch. It's easy to have the birds to
access what you need. A lot of my suits have nipple
zips or, or a full crotch zip orjust open crotch and so they
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really work really well together.
Yeah. Rubber is also viewed as a
younger thing and so is fisting.Obviously fisting him about in
the 80s or at least became much more popular in the 80s during
the AIDS crisis, whereas the generation that is more in the
fisting is younger, easy clean up, easy crossover and finish.
It also works well in the pist community because again, it's
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easy clean up. I love the I love.
There's nothing quite like aftera fisting session where I'm in
full latex, the feeling I get when I unzip it and take it off,
I'm like, you can breathe again.So it's kind of, it's a nice
relief feeling to me. It's, I don't know, I just think
there's a good, good feeling of being able to take it off and
then but then I'm soaking wet still.
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It's like a cold sweat. I don't know, it's weird
probably because my house is so freezing.
So I, when we started this, thisinterview, when we first got on
the camera together, I got to see your, your toy collection,
which is impressive. These those of you guys who are
just listening, you're not goingto be able to see it.
But I mean, Kai's got a huge collection of toys behind him
and also an insane gear collection.
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So how many pieces do you think that you own?
And do you have favorite piece of gear that yours like your
Holy Grail item? Well in the last two the last
two weeks I've had rubber arrivefrom 4 different vendors.
OK which it's it's a embarrassment of riches at this
point. I kind of go crazy and I have
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the Costco mentality when I see a sale.
A vendor that I like here in theUS recently had a close out sale
and so I bought 14 pieces of rubber from him.
Holy shit girl it was 6070 and 80% off OK.
However, I tried on about 2/3 ofit and already sold four pieces
of it to friends of mine becauseit's easy for me to like, oh,
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I'll just jump on this because it's a huge sale.
And then I have enough people who are always looking for
things or friends of mine who are like, oh, I can't quite
afford something new. So I'm like, hey, do you want
this for 40 bucks? Because that's what we had for
Do you want this for 100 bucks? So that's what I paid for it.
So I'm able to jump on to sales and distribute gear like that.
Yeah, it works really well. I've also done.
Like your own little marketplace, I am Robert
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Marketplace. Well.
We also has a rubber also maintains its resale value
fairly well. I go to SF Rubber as well as Mir
and also next week I'll be Gear Blast and all three of them have
a market where you can sell things.
So you can buy gear, own it for a year and then sell it and kind
of pass things down. So I buy a lot of things like
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that for the mentality of all init for a year or two and then I
can just pass it on. That's cool.
Yeah. Which, which makes costume
rubber a little more affordable,which makes costume ideas like
this is a crazy rubber piece. I don't know whether once or
twice to get cool pictures of itand then I'm fine tossing it on.
So I, I, I have a shit load of gear.
I probably have the closet's a little more full right now
because I'm literally depending on selling next week, but I
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probably have 40 or 50 hangers of clothing.
And then there is drawers. And then there's the bondage
closet separately. It's a lifestyle.
For you, I wear rubber four daysa week, hanging out of my house,
playing gear, playing with somebody else.
Or I like gear to the level or Ilike rubber to the level that
I'm fine. I'm 4% happier watching a movie
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in it and just kind of hanging on the couch and a singlet.
Yeah. Do you have to put towels down?
Do you sweat that much? If it's if it's more of a full
full gear, yes. Also in my house we have an
upstairs and downstairs. Silicone Lube doesn't go
upstairs. So if I'm upstairs I have to be
very, very careful of it to makesure I don't get anything
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anywhere. For those of you guys.
Who For those of you guys who don't know, getting in and out
of Latex is a process. Because I think there's probably
going to be people that have list that are listening to this
that don't really necessarily understand like the complexities
of what it takes to get into a Latex cat suit or a neck entry
or something like that. Like those are like really,
there's a lot of Lube involved. And like if you're using
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silicone Lube to get dressed, itturns your floors into a death
trap. I mean, at least for mine, I
mean, I get dressed on a towel. Usually I'll put a towel down
and get dressed on a towel. And so yeah, there's probably,
there's a little bit of backs, you know, back knowledge that
probably some people don't necessarily have.
Are you? You're not a talcum powder kind
of guy, are you? Do you use talcum powder?
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God no. OK, OK.
Yeah, I don't use talcum powder either.
And so, but I know that there's,there's a method to put it on
using powder, but it's so much easier to just take yourself in
the Lube and, and slide the stuff on.
The only times I've used talcum powder or will accept its use is
either in a store type setting. It's easier to clean talcum
powder out of something so it's fresh and clean for the next
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person to stride on. Yeah, and that type of situation
or if you're doing something, I got a made to measure custom cat
suit from Fetish Daddy a year ago and we went through three
fittings to that perfect. It was amazing quality but they
wanted it to be perfect. So when I tried it on and it was
still being altered, cut apart and re glued back together.
Then talcum powder is more acceptable because powder is
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easier to clean off the garment than the silicone lubis,
especially when you're making scenes seams.
Anytime you repair rubber, you have to completely remove all of
the silicone Lube from the garment to make a clean service
to glue on. Otherwise you're gluing to Lube,
which obviously won't stick. Yeah, that's really interesting.
Yeah, I would like to watch. You prepare a piece of Latex
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sometime. It is a process.
Whiteout has an amazing video online.
There are other people have amazing videos online if you
just want to learn to do it. But I have a whole methodology
that I do, yeah, you, you can just watch me as I can to repair
your gear sometime that. Would be awesome.
I have like. I think I have three pieces I
need to send you. And I have a piece here too.
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But yeah, there's a total of three.
OK. What did you take with you last
time? What?
Did we break the jeans maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the jeans.
Yeah. I had a pair of Skinhead jeans
and I think our asses are just too big for those jeans anymore.
My ass is too big. You're it's like I don't did you
did you? I don't remember who broke them,
but I know that just the other day I was putting on the one of
the tops to one of those. I, I started doing full cat
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suits, buying full cat suits instead of buying the top and
the bottom parts when they're, when they're sold at separate,
separate parts. And that's why I started just
buying a single whole piece. But as I was trying to get this
one on, I was like pulling it over myself and, and popped to
the bottom corner of it. But do you have, do you have a
piece that's your favorite of all time?
All time favorite piece. The Not really I I cycle through
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whatever my love is at the time.The one thing that is always
overarching is just simple blackcat suit.
I've joked that I'm just going to wear the same black cat suit
every night to like a four or five day event and to put
accessories over it and see if anybody fucking notices this.
Change up though. That's an easy way to look to
change up. It is, it really is, and a
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simple black cat suit is kind ofthe little black dress of the
rubber community. We don't have a Holy Grail like
for their all of the chastity boys.
Carrera is a $5000 like Holy Grail investment that is hard to
get to and if you can get them and get the owner to talk to
you. What is that?
Carrera makes beautiful stainless steel pieces that are
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almost a full jock strap. Oh wow, OK of steel that is
stainless steel, that is brush metal that is absolutely
gorgeous. But you have to convince the
German owner who is in his 70s, who does not have a no, no, it's
new. He doesn't have a apprentice to
a talk to you and then make something for you.
He's making a lot of things in the aughts much more and had a
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much more productive workshop, but at this point doesn't
produce as many pieces. That's so interesting.
I don't think I've ever seen that.
I'm sure you've seen it. Career chastity is kind of
ubiquitous. As a visual note, you've been to
Folsom. You've been to Folsom SF and
Europe, I think. Have you been to all three
Folsoms? I've never been to the one in
New York. Yeah, yeah.
But I went to San Paulsen, San Francisco in Folsom, Berlin.
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Yeah, you'll, I'll send you a picture later.
Carrera is absolutely gorgeous. A lot of rubber is much more
affordable and that's one of thereasons that it also triggers
into the younger community is that the barriers to entry are a
little lower. You can get a full rubber outfit
in the hundreds, whereas a lot of times for a full leather
outfit you're going to be in thethousands.
Yeah, that's true. I remember that was when I
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remember when I was kind of deciding what kind of I'm more
of a Latex pig than I am a rubber or excuse me, a leather
pig. And I have some leather gear,
but it's my rubber collection isfar more expensive.
And I remember being like, you can get some cool shit for.
And it's like you said, if you just get simple black cat suit
and then you can buy the accessories to go on top of it,
you can make different looks. It's pretty cool.
And one thing I've noticed aboutthe rubber community is that it
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feels more queer to me than it does.
It feels more if there's a difference between queer and
gay. Like how am I trying to say this
where the the leather community I feel is very rigid.
Sometimes there's a rigidity to the other community that it's
protocol and and all that, but then the Latex community just
seems more fun to me. The contests seem more fun to
me. They seem more laid back and
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chill. I know they're also very like
high intensity behind the scenes, but it's like they just
seem more fun to me than than the leather community, which is
in my experience been like more protocol oriented.
I don't know if that's if you have the same experience.
Which is more fun as I've been on the board of staff at both
and I've seen the back end of the front of the contest.
From a representation aspect, rubber is literally more
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flexible than leather, and so there's a lot of people in the
queer community who gravitate more towards rubber because it's
much more easy to gender bend. It's much more easy to find
somewhere in the middle that is more comfortable for them.
Leather is still seen in some ways as old garden like the old.
The old guard community still adheres to that side of the
mentality. For me, leather is pretty rubber
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sexy. When I'm in full bluff, I feel
like I'm just going to stand here and drink a cup of tea
because that's all I can physically.
Do stand and model. Exactly, I have all the chaps
and I've worn them and you can have some play in them, but it's
just a different mentality because of the rigidity it does.
Again, leather will force can force you, the physicality of it
into it. The mentality where it brings me
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into a different mentality, but rubber often attracts more queer
people who can find much more creativity in it.
Yes. It's it's easier to get.
I can tell you 10 sites where you can get custom made midge
measure and made to order and choose in 14 different colors.
Rubber, whereas other OK, you get black shirt with a little or
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there's interesting as transparent leather.
There's interesting as like the vibrancy of rubber that we find.
Yeah, I started buying the metallic ones.
Yeah, so I've got this is the Callic Purple.
And this can really pop. Yeah, they're pretty cool.
And I, I did metallic pink and this time when I got the gear
from Invincible, I decided to dodifferent colors that I that I
usually wear, like it's always black and red or pink and teal.
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So I was like, I'm going to get some like out-of-the-box stuff
that I don't normally we wear, but I bought all tops because I
usually play in chassis. But now I'm realizing that I
kind of want to buy straps and Jack straps to go with each one
of these, and so I'm going to probably end up placing another
order and getting some more shit.
Usually I end up usually I end up wearing chastity for play as
well. When I came out into the gay
community, the idea was if you're not hard, you're not
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having fun. That's so antiquated now.
I know, but that was that was 2020 years ago, so the mentality
is very different now. And I was I was playing with a
lot of older gays when I was 18 and 19.
And so I was engendered that mentality.
And I'm uncomfortable if I'm fisting and my because just
hanging there for me, chastity is a lot of times I'm just
(21:13):
throwing it on as an accessory. And I have no problem telling
people no. I've only been locked up for two
hours. You may see me in chastity, but
I'm not been locked up for a year.
I've not been locked up for a month.
I came yesterday. Yeah.
So it's about me feeling comfortable, me enjoying myself.
Yeah, I don't like my Dick just laying there either and rather
just have it in a cage. Which actually reminds me.
This is really funny story. Side note.
So the other day I was I was at my grandmother's house working.
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I was like, I brought my laptop with me and for some reason I
had closed my laptop on my chastity keys.
And so when I open my laptop, when I get to my grandma's
house, my keys are sitting therejust on the on the laptop.
So I, I moved them onto the couch, my keys to my cage.
I left and then my grandma callsme and she's like, what are
these tiny keys I just found? And I'm like, shit, those are my
(21:56):
chastity keys. I'm like, oh man.
So yeah, it's just a funny little side note that I just
realized because I'm trying to play later tonight and I don't
have the keys to my cage, so I'mgoing.
To playing later tonight, no. Yeah, no.
So trying to have, as soon as we're done, I'm going to
probably have a fisting daddy that's probably going to come
over and split me in. I mean, I'm already in, I'm
already in gear, so I might as well take advantage of it.
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Well, I'm already plugged. I'll probably send some toys
afterwards so. There you go.
There you go. So I'm a method actor.
I always do these. I just sort of another funny
side sidebar is that I always film bro lapse episodes, some
pantsless. I'm always just wearing a shirt
and I'm like naked from the waist down.
A. Scandal Ghost.
I don't know why I do that. I was briefly worried you're
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going to say that you broke yourlaptop, like because I can see
that. I know he's sitting down on the
screen and going crunch. I don't know how they didn't
break, but then and so when I opened up the laptop and I saw
the key sitting there, I was like fuck, I checked the screen
and screen springs. I want to talk a little bit
about your repair work because you've fixed several of my
pieces now, I think. Do you have a difficult or
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memorable fix that you've done? The thing that you were like,
holy shit, like I fucking fix this shit afterwards?
Is there anything that comes outin your brain as far as repair
work? Goes there's a fair amount of
time nowadays that I will literally say, Nope, it's not
repairable. And it's it's a time and effort
mentality and calculation. I'll put the extra effort in if
there's a sentimentality for people.
Generally I say that you don't own rubber, you rent it from the
universe. Most rubber pieces you're going
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to get about five years from andthen it's just gone.
And after that it's like, OK, ifthe sleeve ribs, we're going to
make it a sleeveless suit. If the ass ribs on a cat suit, I
just might make make it a shirt.I've had even an ass RIP so bad.
They're like, OK, now I got a crop top.
There's a lot of queer things you can do with that.
The two pieces that I've really interested time in that I have
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repaired for myself or other people are two brands that don't
even exist anymore. I had a piece that I was
repairing from a company called Devil Dog Rubber.
James Batasama passed away in 2010 and he was in the middle of
starting a rubber company and made a couple of cool things and
a couple of really interestinglydesigned pieces.
And again, that's a suit that I've filmed that I've repaired
many times and it is almost morepatched than suit at this point,
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but it started as a full suit. Now it's and then it's a Shorty
and then it's a it's a crop top,but I want to save it as long as
I can that and then I have a beautiful puffer jacket that is
essentially a bluff version of rubber or rough rubber version
of bluff jacket. And again, it's from a company
that doesn't even exist anymore.It was called a host or House of
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service of thought. It existed in the UK in the
early aughts and I've not seen anyone make anything like it
since then. And so it's something that I
cherish and gently fix and we'lltake care of.
I've, I've, I've done pin holes,I've done medium pieces, I've
done even like jagged edge repairs up to like 16 or 18
inches. Really it's, it's a question of
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is this worth my time and energyto repair it for myself, a
friend, other somebody else? Am I making something pretty
into something that is going to be a play seat now because you,
you want to look pretty in public?
If I'm, if I'm wearing it at home, what it looks like as long
as it holds together for me and Tony.
Also, you have to think about repairing gear.
If it is it transparent, If it'stransparent gear, you're going
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to see the repair. So either you need to be able to
hide it well, you need to be able to do it with other clear
rubber that matches, or you're going to cut the rubber or do
something with it. A friend of mine had a cute pair
of transparent shorts to be ripped, and they ripped from one
side. So I fixed the side with opaque
black to completely cover the tear, and then I added a stripe
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in the other side so the sides match.
So you didn't even notice that it was repaired because you just
saw it? Oh, I had served the side.
You're so creative. I have an undergraduate in
costuming so I have to think like that.
OK, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm going to learn something newabout you while I'm here.
So what kind of what kind of wear and tear do you see most
often? Like, is it like, is there like
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a particular type of break that happens more often than the
knotters? Like I, I don't know.
It's like, it's like ripping like up the ass like on like a
pair of pants like we did at my house.
Is that like a common break or is it like sort of it's kind of
random like what pops and where?Yes, there are very common
stress points in gear. They're very likely to RIP. 90%
of tears are either something sharp you touched.
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You'll get those a lot on arms or legs.
Somebody has spike, you caught it on the edge of something.
Otherwise, stress points are anywhere there's a seam or
anywhere zipper begins or ends where you're going to wear a
butt. Zipper begins and ends in the
back of your butt. Especially if you're going to
put your legs over your head, that's a huge stress point.
Under the arms here is a huge stress point because you're
going from this to that and there's a lot of movement in the
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rubber here. You have to be able to, the
rubber has to be able to stretchexactly.
Vendors will try and solve it different ways.
By Libidex is kind of a ^2 off here to make sure there's as
much of A stress point. Different vendors will try and
solve it different ways. Yeah, there are very specific
areas that are likely to have the stress points.
OK, interesting. So OK, so we have reached the
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So because they're sponsoring the show, I want to ask
specifically about Invincible. What about Invincible Rubber
stands out to you as somebody who's really big in this scene?
And is it the craftsmanship, theaesthetic, or like what makes
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Invincible Rubber stand out to you?
They have amazing design perspective and they are
fearless in creating new ideas, including purposely poking holes
in rubber which. I have that suit.
It's beautiful. I've never worn it.
It's. So uncomfortable to look at it.
I have seen several people survive it and own it for a
minute and they've had so much fun with it because it creates
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such strong reactions. Yeah, I have the.
Fully. Perforated suit.
Oh. My God it's gorgeous and I'm
terrified. We didn't wear it.
We didn't. I don't know if you saw it, It
was in, it's in one of the, it'sin one of the bags.
But yeah, I have the fully perforated suit.
Okay, I gotta come back now. We gotta wear.
It get it on. Alright, so it's in the morning.
Okay, I'm in the way so. Didn't mean you're sorry about
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that. No, no, you're fine.
One of the other outfits, the single that I have, it's easy to
wear and it's a lot of fun. One of the other outfits I have
is a laser cut piece from them. They did, it was one of their
Christmas outfits. It's red and white and I look
like some standard jacking off, terrifying Santa horny
nightmare. It is beautiful.
And so they've done a lot of things, cool things over the
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years and they have done a lot of variety.
They're they're they're great from a brand perspective, like
branding. They were doing some Superman
stuff for a while. They've done full branding with
that and. Captain America.
I remember a Captain America suit.
Yeah, yeah. All of the superhero stuff.
So yeah. That's cool.
That's cool. Yeah.
My ex had the Captain America suit.
He wore it during also, for those of you guys who don't
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know, I mean, my ex, not that not that matters.
My ex was a Mr. Florida Rubber. I ran for Mr. Florida Rubber as
well a couple years ago, probably 5 or 6 years ago now at
this point. That was a really cool
experience. That was one of my my latex
interests really kind of took off after that and all my gears.
I'm kind of an invisible rubber slut.
Like I mean, I don't think I ownanything that's not invincible.
So they've always been kind of my preferred brand.
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So anyways, so you've played with a lot of different people.
So what separates a good rubber fisting scene from a forgettable
one? Or if there could be a
forgettable one, What's a what what's What makes a good rubber
fisting scene? Communication energy and people
who read each other. I've had newbie fisters or
newbie tops who read me or at least read the body energy
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between the two people. And that's the most important
thing is I can be screaming frompleasure or screaming from pain.
And you need to be able to tell the difference if, if I am bored
or if I am quiet. Because if I, if I'm not making
noise, it's great when people realize whether or not OK, I am
in the zone and I'm in a mentality of like, I'm taking
everything you're giving me or it's about reading each other
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and reading body language and and connection between the two
people. Afraidable Rubber.
Afraidable. It's the lack of communication.
I think it really is, yeah. In in the bondage community it's
called a dead fish sub or a Limabean sub.
Really. I've never heard that term
before. Well, like a Lima bean, no
matter how much butter you give it and how much like anything
you give it, it's still a sad little Lima bean.
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Yeah, it's true. A dead fish sub.
You just lying there in bondage.You don't know like is he
enjoying it? Is he not having fun?
Is he or Yeah, I I need some feedback as the top.
I need some feedback as the other person in the partner in
the scene. Yeah.
Sure. No, that makes total sense.
And I think of, I think, you know, separating, you know,
separate from just a rubber fisting scene, just a fisting
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scene in general. I think it boils down to good
communication between the top and the bottom.
I I know that for me personally,I start almost every scene with
what do I need to know about your butthole?
What do I need to know? Like what, what, what you width
person, depth person. And I think that some people are
just afraid to communicate that they're afraid to ask and
they're or they're afraid to answer with how they what they
really want. And I think that's really
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important in a scene. It's a consent thing, but it's
also like to make sure that you have you both have a good time.
It really is good communication at the beginning of the scene
will give me an idea of what I'mexpecting.
Am I expecting to W in 30 seconds or am I expecting to
work for 20 minutes just to get 3 fingers in?
And I've enjoyed both of those scenes.
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I have. I've never been elbow deep in
anybody. Yeah.
Yes, you have Well. I've been about here on you.
Yeah, yeah. Because you've got thick, you've
got thick meaty forearms and you're always, and The thing is
that my body doesn't usually typically react for depth and
stuff like that. It's usually skin on skin is
easier for me. And we've always played in full
Latex, so. And so there are people who
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react differently to a bare arm fisting versus A love fisting.
And those are both those both have their space in the
community and in the energy between the two people, as long
as the top still has full feeling and isn't numbed by the
amount of verbal they're wearingor the amount of you're wearing
to create that connection. Yeah, that's good.
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And then that makes a lot of sense.
I'm surprised. I mean, guys, I feel I remember
you doing some really crazy deepdouble S on me that because I
was wearing a cat suit that my ass was, the zipper was up.
And so like it just looks so intense.
Like it was really intense, but it looks, it looks even crazier
in video and pictures. So yeah, we filmed together, I
think. Well, now, I mean, I have so
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much video from the last time that we played that I haven't
even touched yet. So yeah, we filmed, we filmed
quite a bit together. So it's always fun.
It's been on and off over almost5 or 6 or more years, yeah.
Yeah, it's been a good, good, good time.
Good times. What kind of connection are you
looking for when you suit up? And does the rubber enhance
intimacy, distance, power or something else entirely?
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Rubber. Can be the great equalizer.
It can be a full customer. I've I look for the intimacy.
I love the intimacy of how it feels rubber to rubber to skin.
You can feel the heat of each other.
You can feel the warmth of each other.
We said we we talked earlier on how it feels from the outside
perspective. You can feel the weather, but
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you can also feel the heat of another person when you're close
to each other. That's really deep bro.
Yeah. That's really deep.
I know you like a deep. Like it deep, but that's deep in
another way, so. Yeah.
And so you can be in a cuddle puddle of rubber and really feel
each other and feel the connection, feel the emotion and
feel this, the strength of it all.
And there's something that we look for in the rubber
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community. And I'll make a reference to the
pup community as well. I was at a rubber event in
Amsterdam and there were a bunchof rubber pups just like
bouncing around in a mosh. And you all when you think of
pups, you really think of like guys in their 20s, guys in the
30s, really young, like kids even in, in their teens.
And I saw a guy who had been moshing and he took of his hood
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and I was shocked. And he was like 50 something.
And he was bounding around and playing with all the, all the
other rubber pups. And the rubber really let him
express himself and really let him open up.
And there was no judgement of his age, which is something that
ageism in the fetish community and the sexual community is
huge, is real. And rubber can really help
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people hide that kind of not hide, but rubber let people live
their fantasy. And not be hindered by it.
So not necessarily hide it, but not be affected negatively by it
so. Correct.
You. You.
You can be whoever you want to be.
You can live your fetish. You can live your life.
You can live your dream. Yeah, I saw this really cool
suit one time. I was at Mir and this guy had a
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latex rhino suit. I don't know if you've ever see
if you know what I'm talking about.
I know of really stocky. Must muscle stocky guy and he
has a late rhino suit. It's as I'd never seen anything
like it before. I was like this is so dope.
This is really cool. So I like that creativity that
it lets you let's let's you haveyou know, it was like who
identifies as a rhino? That's amazing.
It's like are you a pup? Are you the bear?
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Are you like an Otter? Are you that?
No, I'm a fucking rhino dude. Like.
The creativity and crossovers between all different PET
communities, the fetish communities, really, rubber can
be made into so many different things for fun.
In Bangkok, Thailand is making some really cool PET suits into
rubber and in silicone as well. And the difference between
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silicone and rubber is really blurring as well.
Wow, OK, what do you mean in silicone and rubber?
Silicone and rubber. A lot of rubber, you can see the
seam down the middle here rubberis seamed together.
A lot of silicone is poured in away and so that it is the
different the creation process. Also the repairability.
Rubber is more repairable than silicone, but silicone is much
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from moldable so you can't. You can create an extension of
your body or extension of your fetish through silicone with
that cool. Interesting, I guess I didn't
even know there was a real. I didn't even know silicone
outfits existed. And new.
They do. It's an extension of rubber.
It's kind of moving from, if youthink like linear moving from
neoprene to rubber and then to silicone and then moving in that
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direction with the creativity that allows.
That's cool. I can't remember if I remember
that and and this. I might cut this part out, but
there was a brand, it was calledLatexed.
Is that the? Latex D Yeah.
Is that is that? Is that what it's called Latex D
well? Is it the Polish company you're
talking about? It's that one guy that's always
the model. OK, he's.
Like he's Lee buff and this stuff is always really
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reflective. Like super, super reflective.
I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking
about? I'll find it later.
I think so. There were two Eastern European
companies that were doing very similar things and I'm not sure
if they were the same brand or whatever, but they were both
making O .25 thickness rubber and it's gorgeous and it is so
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thin that it has a very different visual quality to it.
The thicknesses of rubber reallycreate different visual aspects
of it. The thicker it is, the more
structured it is. I mean the thinner it is more
likely just to tear, but also the more it stretches.
Yeah, interesting. This is like a, this is an
educational lesson for me too, because I've always, I've never
really like known what I've always just sort of bought the
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standard thickness and I can never really realize what, what,
what the, the varying degrees ofthickness meant for, meant for
like. Most fashion latex is O .45 O
.5, O .6 and above is going to be for dry suits, meters,
heavier things that are more industrial that are going to
hold their shape more. If you want more like clothing
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type gear it's going to be an O .4 and below usually and that's
in thickness of millimeters is how they do sheets of rubber OK?
Interesting. And is it laser cut probably
then or some like I mean it's. Poured in a way I don't.
I don't understand the actual pause.
I don't know the actual process of it.
OK, if I ever get the guys from Invincible Rubber on your
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themselves, I'll ask them myself.
What advice would you give to somebody who's new to rubber and
curious about exploring? Dive in.
This is an open-ended question because you can.
It's some of the while rubber does have lower barriers to
entry and there are a lot of guys who are willing to loan the
rubber, other guys there are, there obviously are some who
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aren't. Yeah, I just personally brand
all mine, so it's hard to loan it out.
Yeah. Well, then I wasn't specifically
implying that, but yeah, I, I have a few pieces that I loan
out and there are some pieces that I don't.
I'm not sure. Diving in is a great piece of
advice. I mean, because I think it's
that applies to almost any kink.If you're curious about it, dip
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your toes in the water that get involved and get in get, you
know, get experiments a little bit.
There are clubs that do learninggear, there are places you can
try it on, there are social aspects that you can get into.
You can find older gear on 2nd inner marketplaces such as
Second Skin or at like some of the events that I sell at OK as
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well as I wouldn't buy much on Amazon.
Rubber on Amazon is going to be kind of terrifying.
Yeah, I was wondering, did they sell rubber on Timo?
Yeah, No, anything like that is going to be such low quality.
It's going to be 1. When you get into low quality,
you also get into rubber that isdipped versus seamed like I was
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talking about earlier. You can see the seam on the
capsule that I'm wearing a lot of some not a lot of, but some
cheap rubber is just dipped which or molded rubber.
It's very easy to wrap. You can create very 3D garments
with it, but it is so easy to wrap.
So I'm I would be worried to tell anyone to buy anything from
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that. Molded should only be purchased
for like gloves, socks, things like that.
Or like sheaths where you're looking for a 3D seamless image.
Sure. Yeah, you can't get from
probably. Can't get that from sewing it
together. Gluing it together, probably.
Not yeah. You don't want to see my new
Dick. Yeah, no, I have a hard enough
time with codpieces as it is. They never seem to fit me right.
Like I never seem to get them onappropriately.
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But do you think that the rubberscene is evolving?
How have you seen it evolve overthe last few years?
The rubber scene is definitely evolving.
It's much more expect, it's muchmore accepting of the queer
community, of moving forward in the transgender community, of
moving forward in the pet fetish, even the darker
communities. Darker community?
What do you mean by darker communities?
Well, you so there. The way that I wanted to go is
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talking about piston and. Yeah, no, no, in the messier
fetishes it's probably easier. It's much easier to gear up and
then be messy and then just. Clean it off the other side that
I that we swallow and we make sure that we, I don't want to
say we keep into wraps because we the the quiet acceptance or
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the quiet repulsion rather of the darker communities and, and,
and no way, shape or form. Am I talking about skin.
In no way, shape or form am I talking about any fetishes more
in the the Nazis, the degradation, the darker things
in that realm. Rubber is so easy to make in so
many costumes. It's so easy to making terrible
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costumes. It's so easy to make in so many
ideals and cool ideals. And that's where we need to be
focusing on 4 choices will be made by those who want to make
them. Yeah, and.
There's been people in the community that have been that
photos have leaked of them online dressed in Nazi latex
gear and they're excommunicated,you know, rightfully so.
But I mean, they're excommunicated most immediately.
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So there was a big scandal, I remember a couple months ago
with the porn star that was pretty popular, that all of a
sudden there was pictures leakedof him and Nazi gear and it was
done, done for. Last summer there was a British
content creator who was similarly thrown out of the
community because of that. And so, yes, and rightfully so.
I like what you're getting at though, that it's easy to do.
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It's it's the same sort of thingwith with AI.
You can use it for good or you can use it for be evil and it
just depends on the user. Exactly what is it?
What's the whole Superman thing?Great power, you know, Spider
Man. With great power, great
responsibility. Yeah, exactly.
Thank you. Yes.
So if it's easy for, if it's, ifit's easy to use, then it's also
easy to abuse. Yeah, that's a very that's
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that's very interesting because I, I mean, I know people that
are using. That's an interesting philosophy
to apply to Latex because it is so easy to make.
Probably or easy to. To customize, and it's easy to
customize into ways that are offensive to a lot of people.
So really is, yeah, it's wild. I've seen, I've seen guys that
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have had that have had gear likethat.
And I'm just like, I don't know,that's wrong thing.
That's all. That's a whole other episode.
What do you wish people understood more about the rubber
community or rubber pigs, especially those who think that
it's just a costume? It's it's a lifestyle.
It's also a costume. Don't take juice fucking
seriously. Yeah.
I have done hardcore fisting to like deep industrial techno that
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you're here in a year, Berkhine.I've also done fisting to opera.
Really. Oh yeah, I have.
No, actually, weirdly enough. I have seen the top doing like
opera and holding the notes while he's holding like the
first. It was beautiful.
That's amazing. I've also done it to disco and
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like get that little beat in there.
And so I've seen all this happenand the same the rubber
community shiny show tunes or a thing at Mir.
Yeah, they are. Or work.
And so bringing comedy, humanityand liveliness into your fetish
and into the Rover community is important.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.And that's very true.
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And I think that's what makes like Latex kind of special, is
that you can bring the fun into it.
Like I have much more fun in this scene than I have in that.
I didn't let their scene. It just allowed me to be like
more. It's just, it sort of feels,
it's for the freaks. It sort of feels it's for like
the misfits. And so and that's what I kind of
love about it. It's that it's like we're all
just kind of a little bit, we'reall just a little bit weird.
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And it's I love that. I personally love that about the
scene that is always just seems it's kind of the island of
Misfit toys a little bit. I do really tell people that I
belong in the scratch and bin atthe grocery store.
Like. I'm definitely the imperfect
variety. Like sure, I come with baggage,
OK, There's a steamer trunk behind me, so.
Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen the Elijah
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Schlesinger skate where she talks?
So do you know Elijah Schlesinger?
Yes. OK.
Where she's like, this seems like a good place to unpack my
shit. Yeah, that's how I feel all the
time. I'm like, that's probably why I
still why I'm still single five years later.
Anyways, somebody that's a wholeother episode too.
Somebody who's been in this world for a long time.
What do you think? The rubber community or the
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fisting community, rubber slash,fisting rubber or fisting
community still needs more of orless of.
We still need to take out our garbage.
We still need to be constantly moving forward.
We still need to be constantly evolving.
Vendors will always be on the next step of technology.
Vendors will be looking for the next step of what what they can
sell you. We need to be making sure that
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we are taking care of the community.
We're taking care of each other.We're taking care of the
humanity. We're making sure that we're
still accepting of those that are imperfect.
It's easy to go to Folsom, look perfect, create one image, and
crop out everything else that's around it.
You don't know how long it took to get in this outfit.
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You don't know how many outfits I broke.
You don't know how long I had towork to earn it, or to afford
it, or to get here. And it's easy to create and
cultivate the perfect image online.
But yeah. And what and the great thing
about the rubber community, as we just mentioned, is it's OK to
be imperfect. It's OK to be a little messy, a
little sloppy, a little imperfect, a little put
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together. And I've seen people come to
rubber events with people with pieces they made themselves
cool. They fully cut, glued and put
together themselves and designedthemselves.
And they're so welcome. And I want to make sure and I
support and I pushing people to support that we still accept
those people and accept the community and keep welcoming the
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imperfect fruits into our community.
That's an amazing way to end this set of questions.
So it's a really, really great way to end it.
And I'm really, I'm on board with that because it's that's
what I kind of, that was my mission from the beginning when
I started Hunger FF. If I had a mission statement, it
was to make this thing accessible to everybody and
welcome everybody. Yeah.
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The ageism issue is a problem. And for me, it doesn't matter
how really how old you are, you know, your body type, your race,
your age, whatever. None of that really matters to
me as long as we share an understanding of mutual respect
when it comes to fisting and interest when it comes to
fisting. And because some of like, the
the best fisting experiences that I've had are with guys that
I'm not traditionally attracted to.
But like, I gave it, you know, Igave it a shot anyways because
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their vibes seem fun. And so.
Yeah, and it, and it turned out to be like a really, really
amazing experience. And that's, and that's always,
it's always a nice surprise whenit's I kind of go in with
expectations that are maybe not necessarily terribly high.
And then, oh, just the other night I was just playing with
this new dad, this daddy who'd never fisted before in his life.
Really. He was fisting bottom.
He but he'd never topped and he was afraid to top and blah,
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blah, blah, blah. And he fisted me and his he was
so good. I was like, damn, I'm like,
like, and I didn't mean to blow smoke up his ass because I was
like, Yo, I'm like these were this was like really, really
good and like really fun and you're amazing and I really want
to see you again. And like your hands are so great
and and you have like that intuition that I always talk
about. And I feel like he thought that
I was like, but I was being deadserious.
I'm like, it's just so cool whenyou have that experience where
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somebody is like the the the reality exceeds the expectation.
It's really exciting. So where you're just rubber Kai
on like most social media sites,right?
Yeah, I thankfully I'm old enough that I was able to secure
that most of the sites and I jump onto all of the newer
social media sites or whatever the next thing is just to grab
that name. It's weird enough and unique
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enough. And after I legally changed my
name to Kai, it was much easier to get the recognition for that.
But yeah. Cool, so I'll include all your
social media links when I do thethe episode description for this
and like when I post some teasers and stuff like that.
So thank you again for doing this episode with me and I want
to thank our sponsor, InvincibleRubber for sponsoring this
episode and giving me some new gear to wear my next couple
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episode.
Welcome to Bro Labs, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back for
another episode of Bro Labs. This is episode 54.
I'm super excited today. This is my second sponsored
episode. I have Invincible Rubber
sponsoring today's episode, and today's entire episode is going
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to be evolved revolving around the intersection between rubber
and fisting with one of my really good friends, Rubber Kai.
So thank you for coming on today.
Hey there. How are you digitally?
Digitally. We've been setting up for a
couple minutes, so we've had a chance to talk a little bit and
I'm really looking forward to doing this with you.
I'm like I said earlier, grateful for your time.
We'll go ahead and get started. So when did your love for rubber
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first begin and how did it evolve into such a big part of
your kink identity? Because it's kind of like what
you're known for, I feel like. Me.
No. I've been into dark and shiny
things since I was legally allowed to be.
I Surely. After I turned 18, I went to a
finished factory party in South Florida.
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OK, 04 And then I was looking after you study abroad in London
and when I turned 20 there, thatwas fall O 6 and that was still
back when the hoist was open andbackstreet was open.
And every Friday a large herd ofqueers would end up at
backstreet in rubber. And I got to enjoy a variety of
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fetish events there. And I'd been like interested in
the shiny things and interested in bondage and a variety of
things. Perversions, shall we?
Since I was able old enough to or able to jerk off and I got to
explore those things really young, which is something that I
really, I'm glad that I had my sexual awakening so young.
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Yeah, me too. One of my partners didn't really
come out into a sexual awakeninguntil he was in his mid 30s and
he missed his twink era. OK.
And then? Twink era, now that you put it
that way, I had one of those. Two, I was skinny.
I was 6 foot tall and I earned 60 lbs and I was a live thing
who wore a small tall and that was a different world for me at
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least I've gone all the way up to Excel and I'm comfortably
back at a medium tall or large. So I remember thinking I was fat
back then. I remember I was just, I, I
remember thinking I was fat. And I look back at pictures of
myself and I'm like, Jesus Christ, somebody should have fed
me a sandwich at some point. And nobody did.
Yeah, when your guest goes concave, that's generally not an
upside. Not a cute look.
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So it's been part of. So you you obviously got exposed
to it somewhere younger and thensome switch probably clicked in
your head and you were like, oh,gangster, yeah.
It's a little bit of the ADHD. Oh, shiny.
And then I just jumped on that and went about. 10 miles.
OK, yeah, just start. Do you remember the first time
you mixed rubber and fisting together?
Since this is this is a fisting podcast, generally speaking.
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So when was the first time that you did rubber and fisting
together? What made it click?
Pretty much I've always done rubber with fisting.
It's always rubber and then fisting.
At least I started in rubber when I was 18 and I started
fisting when I was 20 again thatthat fall that I was living in
London, there's was an amazing amount of Finnish guys there.
And so my little butthole slowlygot opened up in the course of a
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month or two and I got very openand.
I'm familiar you're. Familiar you're familiar with
with our accomplished acquired works together?
Yes, yes. I got doubled probably the when
I was about 31, so a little overa decade later.
I really didn't go for width until I was farther into the
into the community, but I was able to start investing around
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then. I joked that I don't.
I don't If it's naked, I'm usually looking for gear.
I'm looking for some intersection on both.
I can. I can attest to the fact that we
went through one last time you were here.
I think we wore every single piece of gear that I own, every
single piece needed, needed a bath after we were done.
So. Yeah.
And they're all still hanging inmy bathroom in the studio.
So yeah, they all, they're, I haven't, I'm so lazy.
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I haven't put them away yet. So they're all.
You washed them like I haven't washed it since we last played
and I'm like. No, no, I didn't do that.
I didn't actually wash it. My a friend of mine came here
because I did have them sitting in the kitchen sink for a couple
maybe a week or two after you'd got you'd left.
And then my friend and he's like, yeah, I'm going to clean
these for you. And so my friend did all the
rubber laundry for me. So I didn't do.
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It thankful you have friends whotake care of you.
Yes, that is it. Takes a fucking village bro.
I've been told by people that I am the person that they gear up
for, that they will put on more gear because I'm coming to play
with them. I'm the person in their king
circle and their feather circle that they will actively thrown a
cap suit for or actively sweat for.
I'm yeah, I will say that's that's that's fair because I
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don't play usually I just play in tragedy.
I mean, I play in latex more so lately partially, you know, this
this episode is I said sponsoredby invincible rubber.
They just made me 4 new tops to cover up the ever since I got
the injury and the sesame bag. So it's I needed something, you
know, I think we popped a shirt when we were here.
Yeah, so. And Andrew, OK, we were mildly
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abusive to gear. Yeah, yeah, to myself.
So it's OK, but I mean, it's allrepairable.
Hopefully so, but I needed something that was going to be
easier for me to to conceal it. And so I they made me all these
tops with zippers on the front so I don't have to drag it over
the bag. I can just hold it on and zip it
up. But so that's that's, that is
true though, that you are the probably that person for a lot
of people that you get geared upfor because I, I wear more gear
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when I'm with you than with anybody else.
So. That makes me so proud.
Be the change you want to see inthe world, I was told in high
school. And so I've decided to do that
in entirely the wrong context, but I'm enjoying it thus far.
The joke that I really wanted tomake, as you were saying it, is
that they made you 4 new tops. And I'm like, you really go
through tops, don't you? I do go through them.
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I burn through them like they'renot things.
I know. And we'll just leave that one
there. Yeah.
So what does being encased in rubber do for you, for your
mindset when you're playing? Like what?
I know that for me, it makes me feel sexier.
It makes me feel like when I have a full cat suit on, I feel
it just makes me feel sexy. And I remember the first time
that I put latex on, I got a hard on.
The first time I put it on, I was like super into it.
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So what does it do for you do? What does it do your mindset
during a scene? On one hand, it hides the flaws
about my humanity that I don't love Vertically.
I'm happy with 90% of my body, but there's 6 inches in the
middle. I've just never been happy.
And when I throw in a cat suit or when I throw on and I still
single like this, it pulls in the pieces of me that I don't
love. So I feel sexier.
I feel prouder of my body. That's something that I work on
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my personal trainer and my therapist with the in case the
encasement drives me to focus onwhat's in front of me.
I'm so easily distracted by anything that goes by anything
that that I think about any thought.
So rubber and a full suit or full gear and its presence
around me kind of narrows my thoughts, narrows what I'm
thinking and keeps me much more focused on the top in front of
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me or the bottom in front of me or the hole in front of me,
really, or the hole that I am. Yeah.
And it helps me focus my mind. That's awesome.
I've never really thought about it like that, but that's,
that's, that's really interesting how it just how
different my, you know, my experience for it, but actually
not, not so different because I just feel it's sort of the same
for me now as far as wanting to hide certain parts of myself
that are, you know, not not flattering for my my brain
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anymore. And so because she's definitely
packed down a few pounds since the surgery happens and breaking
my large size tops. And you didn't go to an excel.
So that's really interesting though, that it makes you focus
on lasers. You're focusing.
That's that's really kind of kind.
Of it really does, it's not quite sensory deprivation in
that way. It's not a blindfold.
It's not cutting off auditory input, It's not cutting in
temperature input or anything like that.
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In fact, like temperature input is even more increased.
You feel the breeze go by even with it on.
It's rubber can be the worst thing to wear for temperature.
In the winter, it's freezing because you feel the
temperature. In the summer.
It doesn't allow you to sweat orallow your sweat to evaporate in
the same way. So it's terrible to wear, but
God, it turns me on. Yeah.
People think that latex is always hot, but what they don't,
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I don't think they realize is that it just amplifies the
temperature around you. It's going to, you're in the,
you're in Florida heat and you're just like, and then
you're in like Mid-Atlantic. I, I, I remember going to Mal
one year and I wore, I brought all latex and I got there and I
went outside for a split second.I was like, holy shit, it's
fucking cold outside. It was took like the temperature
just made it so much more intense.
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So exactly, you really do feel what's around you.
Your body hairs can't help you keep warm or keep cool.
So you are very exposed to the temperature outlets.
Sure. So from your perspective, why do
rubber and fisting go so well together?
What's the magic in that combo? What do you what do you think
makes it work so good together? One of the greatest parts about
rubber is the from the aspect offisting.
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Very easy clean up. It's not actually damaged by any
of the water based lubes. Silicone based lubes.
If you are a classic Chris goer then it's not really friendly
for that and any of the oil based lubes, but most of the
fistors I know use JKX Lube, fist powder or something like
that and those are all very friendly to rubber.
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Usually after a rubber scene or play scene I will literally just
walk into the shower wearing exactly what you're seeing me
now and it's easy to just throw in a bucket.
A little bit of Dawn and it's easy to clean.
Leather, it's hard to clean after after with any of those
lubes, which is why a lot of those other guys are still the
Crisco guys. Neoprene, again, you can throw
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the washing machine or you have other options with it, but it's
again hard to clean. Rubber is just so easy to clean
with any of the lubes that we use for it.
There's a lot of fisters who find the crossover very enduring
because with a lot of latex, it's easy to have a very open
crotch. It's easy to have the birds to
access what you need. A lot of my suits have nipple
zips or, or a full crotch zip orjust open crotch and so they
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really work really well together.
Yeah. Rubber is also viewed as a
younger thing and so is fisting.Obviously fisting him about in
the 80s or at least became much more popular in the 80s during
the AIDS crisis, whereas the generation that is more in the
fisting is younger, easy clean up, easy crossover and finish.
It also works well in the pist community because again, it's
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easy clean up. I love the I love.
There's nothing quite like aftera fisting session where I'm in
full latex, the feeling I get when I unzip it and take it off,
I'm like, you can breathe again.So it's kind of, it's a nice
relief feeling to me. It's, I don't know, I just think
there's a good, good feeling of being able to take it off and
then but then I'm soaking wet still.
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It's like a cold sweat. I don't know, it's weird
probably because my house is so freezing.
So I, when we started this, thisinterview, when we first got on
the camera together, I got to see your, your toy collection,
which is impressive. These those of you guys who are
just listening, you're not goingto be able to see it.
But I mean, Kai's got a huge collection of toys behind him
and also an insane gear collection.
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So how many pieces do you think that you own?
And do you have favorite piece of gear that yours like your
Holy Grail item? Well in the last two the last
two weeks I've had rubber arrivefrom 4 different vendors.
OK which it's it's a embarrassment of riches at this
point. I kind of go crazy and I have
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the Costco mentality when I see a sale.
A vendor that I like here in theUS recently had a close out sale
and so I bought 14 pieces of rubber from him.
Holy shit girl it was 6070 and 80% off OK.
However, I tried on about 2/3 ofit and already sold four pieces
of it to friends of mine becauseit's easy for me to like, oh,
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I'll just jump on this because it's a huge sale.
And then I have enough people who are always looking for
things or friends of mine who are like, oh, I can't quite
afford something new. So I'm like, hey, do you want
this for 40 bucks? Because that's what we had for
Do you want this for 100 bucks? So that's what I paid for it.
So I'm able to jump on to sales and distribute gear like that.
Yeah, it works really well. I've also done.
Like your own little marketplace, I am Robert
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Marketplace. Well.
We also has a rubber also maintains its resale value
fairly well. I go to SF Rubber as well as Mir
and also next week I'll be Gear Blast and all three of them have
a market where you can sell things.
So you can buy gear, own it for a year and then sell it and kind
of pass things down. So I buy a lot of things like
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that for the mentality of all init for a year or two and then I
can just pass it on. That's cool.
Yeah. Which, which makes costume
rubber a little more affordable,which makes costume ideas like
this is a crazy rubber piece. I don't know whether once or
twice to get cool pictures of itand then I'm fine tossing it on.
So I, I, I have a shit load of gear.
I probably have the closet's a little more full right now
because I'm literally depending on selling next week, but I
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probably have 40 or 50 hangers of clothing.
And then there is drawers. And then there's the bondage
closet separately. It's a lifestyle.
For you, I wear rubber four daysa week, hanging out of my house,
playing gear, playing with somebody else.
Or I like gear to the level or Ilike rubber to the level that
I'm fine. I'm 4% happier watching a movie
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in it and just kind of hanging on the couch and a singlet.
Yeah. Do you have to put towels down?
Do you sweat that much? If it's if it's more of a full
full gear, yes. Also in my house we have an
upstairs and downstairs. Silicone Lube doesn't go
upstairs. So if I'm upstairs I have to be
very, very careful of it to makesure I don't get anything
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anywhere. For those of you guys.
Who For those of you guys who don't know, getting in and out
of Latex is a process. Because I think there's probably
going to be people that have list that are listening to this
that don't really necessarily understand like the complexities
of what it takes to get into a Latex cat suit or a neck entry
or something like that. Like those are like really,
there's a lot of Lube involved. And like if you're using
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silicone Lube to get dressed, itturns your floors into a death
trap. I mean, at least for mine, I
mean, I get dressed on a towel. Usually I'll put a towel down
and get dressed on a towel. And so yeah, there's probably,
there's a little bit of backs, you know, back knowledge that
probably some people don't necessarily have.
Are you? You're not a talcum powder kind
of guy, are you? Do you use talcum powder?
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God no. OK, OK.
Yeah, I don't use talcum powder either.
And so, but I know that there's,there's a method to put it on
using powder, but it's so much easier to just take yourself in
the Lube and, and slide the stuff on.
The only times I've used talcum powder or will accept its use is
either in a store type setting. It's easier to clean talcum
powder out of something so it's fresh and clean for the next
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person to stride on. Yeah, and that type of situation
or if you're doing something, I got a made to measure custom cat
suit from Fetish Daddy a year ago and we went through three
fittings to that perfect. It was amazing quality but they
wanted it to be perfect. So when I tried it on and it was
still being altered, cut apart and re glued back together.
Then talcum powder is more acceptable because powder is
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easier to clean off the garment than the silicone lubis,
especially when you're making scenes seams.
Anytime you repair rubber, you have to completely remove all of
the silicone Lube from the garment to make a clean service
to glue on. Otherwise you're gluing to Lube,
which obviously won't stick. Yeah, that's really interesting.
Yeah, I would like to watch. You prepare a piece of Latex
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sometime. It is a process.
Whiteout has an amazing video online.
There are other people have amazing videos online if you
just want to learn to do it. But I have a whole methodology
that I do, yeah, you, you can just watch me as I can to repair
your gear sometime that. Would be awesome.
I have like. I think I have three pieces I
need to send you. And I have a piece here too.
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But yeah, there's a total of three.
OK. What did you take with you last
time? What?
Did we break the jeans maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the jeans.
Yeah. I had a pair of Skinhead jeans
and I think our asses are just too big for those jeans anymore.
My ass is too big. You're it's like I don't did you
did you? I don't remember who broke them,
but I know that just the other day I was putting on the one of
the tops to one of those. I, I started doing full cat
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suits, buying full cat suits instead of buying the top and
the bottom parts when they're, when they're sold at separate,
separate parts. And that's why I started just
buying a single whole piece. But as I was trying to get this
one on, I was like pulling it over myself and, and popped to
the bottom corner of it. But do you have, do you have a
piece that's your favorite of all time?
All time favorite piece. The Not really I I cycle through
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whatever my love is at the time.The one thing that is always
overarching is just simple blackcat suit.
I've joked that I'm just going to wear the same black cat suit
every night to like a four or five day event and to put
accessories over it and see if anybody fucking notices this.
Change up though. That's an easy way to look to
change up. It is, it really is, and a
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simple black cat suit is kind ofthe little black dress of the
rubber community. We don't have a Holy Grail like
for their all of the chastity boys.
Carrera is a $5000 like Holy Grail investment that is hard to
get to and if you can get them and get the owner to talk to
you. What is that?
Carrera makes beautiful stainless steel pieces that are
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almost a full jock strap. Oh wow, OK of steel that is
stainless steel, that is brush metal that is absolutely
gorgeous. But you have to convince the
German owner who is in his 70s, who does not have a no, no, it's
new. He doesn't have a apprentice to
a talk to you and then make something for you.
He's making a lot of things in the aughts much more and had a
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much more productive workshop, but at this point doesn't
produce as many pieces. That's so interesting.
I don't think I've ever seen that.
I'm sure you've seen it. Career chastity is kind of
ubiquitous. As a visual note, you've been to
Folsom. You've been to Folsom SF and
Europe, I think. Have you been to all three
Folsoms? I've never been to the one in
New York. Yeah, yeah.
But I went to San Paulsen, San Francisco in Folsom, Berlin.
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Yeah, you'll, I'll send you a picture later.
Carrera is absolutely gorgeous. A lot of rubber is much more
affordable and that's one of thereasons that it also triggers
into the younger community is that the barriers to entry are a
little lower. You can get a full rubber outfit
in the hundreds, whereas a lot of times for a full leather
outfit you're going to be in thethousands.
Yeah, that's true. I remember that was when I
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remember when I was kind of deciding what kind of I'm more
of a Latex pig than I am a rubber or excuse me, a leather
pig. And I have some leather gear,
but it's my rubber collection isfar more expensive.
And I remember being like, you can get some cool shit for.
And it's like you said, if you just get simple black cat suit
and then you can buy the accessories to go on top of it,
you can make different looks. It's pretty cool.
And one thing I've noticed aboutthe rubber community is that it
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feels more queer to me than it does.
It feels more if there's a difference between queer and
gay. Like how am I trying to say this
where the the leather community I feel is very rigid.
Sometimes there's a rigidity to the other community that it's
protocol and and all that, but then the Latex community just
seems more fun to me. The contests seem more fun to
me. They seem more laid back and
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chill. I know they're also very like
high intensity behind the scenes, but it's like they just
seem more fun to me than than the leather community, which is
in my experience been like more protocol oriented.
I don't know if that's if you have the same experience.
Which is more fun as I've been on the board of staff at both
and I've seen the back end of the front of the contest.
From a representation aspect, rubber is literally more
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flexible than leather, and so there's a lot of people in the
queer community who gravitate more towards rubber because it's
much more easy to gender bend. It's much more easy to find
somewhere in the middle that is more comfortable for them.
Leather is still seen in some ways as old garden like the old.
The old guard community still adheres to that side of the
mentality. For me, leather is pretty rubber
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sexy. When I'm in full bluff, I feel
like I'm just going to stand here and drink a cup of tea
because that's all I can physically.
Do stand and model. Exactly, I have all the chaps
and I've worn them and you can have some play in them, but it's
just a different mentality because of the rigidity it does.
Again, leather will force can force you, the physicality of it
into it. The mentality where it brings me
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into a different mentality, but rubber often attracts more queer
people who can find much more creativity in it.
Yes. It's it's easier to get.
I can tell you 10 sites where you can get custom made midge
measure and made to order and choose in 14 different colors.
Rubber, whereas other OK, you get black shirt with a little or
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there's interesting as transparent leather.
There's interesting as like the vibrancy of rubber that we find.
Yeah, I started buying the metallic ones.
Yeah, so I've got this is the Callic Purple.
And this can really pop. Yeah, they're pretty cool.
And I, I did metallic pink and this time when I got the gear
from Invincible, I decided to dodifferent colors that I that I
usually wear, like it's always black and red or pink and teal.
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So I was like, I'm going to get some like out-of-the-box stuff
that I don't normally we wear, but I bought all tops because I
usually play in chassis. But now I'm realizing that I
kind of want to buy straps and Jack straps to go with each one
of these, and so I'm going to probably end up placing another
order and getting some more shit.
Usually I end up usually I end up wearing chastity for play as
well. When I came out into the gay
community, the idea was if you're not hard, you're not
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having fun. That's so antiquated now.
I know, but that was that was 2020 years ago, so the mentality
is very different now. And I was I was playing with a
lot of older gays when I was 18 and 19.
And so I was engendered that mentality.
And I'm uncomfortable if I'm fisting and my because just
hanging there for me, chastity is a lot of times I'm just
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throwing it on as an accessory. And I have no problem telling
people no. I've only been locked up for two
hours. You may see me in chastity, but
I'm not been locked up for a year.
I've not been locked up for a month.
I came yesterday. Yeah.
So it's about me feeling comfortable, me enjoying myself.
Yeah, I don't like my Dick just laying there either and rather
just have it in a cage. Which actually reminds me.
This is really funny story. Side note.
So the other day I was I was at my grandmother's house working.
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I was like, I brought my laptop with me and for some reason I
had closed my laptop on my chastity keys.
And so when I open my laptop, when I get to my grandma's
house, my keys are sitting therejust on the on the laptop.
So I, I moved them onto the couch, my keys to my cage.
I left and then my grandma callsme and she's like, what are
these tiny keys I just found? And I'm like, shit, those are my
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chastity keys. I'm like, oh man.
So yeah, it's just a funny little side note that I just
realized because I'm trying to play later tonight and I don't
have the keys to my cage, so I'mgoing.
To playing later tonight, no. Yeah, no.
So trying to have, as soon as we're done, I'm going to
probably have a fisting daddy that's probably going to come
over and split me in. I mean, I'm already in, I'm
already in gear, so I might as well take advantage of it.
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Well, I'm already plugged. I'll probably send some toys
afterwards so. There you go.
There you go. So I'm a method actor.
I always do these. I just sort of another funny
side sidebar is that I always film bro lapse episodes, some
pantsless. I'm always just wearing a shirt
and I'm like naked from the waist down.
A. Scandal Ghost.
I don't know why I do that. I was briefly worried you're
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going to say that you broke yourlaptop, like because I can see
that. I know he's sitting down on the
screen and going crunch. I don't know how they didn't
break, but then and so when I opened up the laptop and I saw
the key sitting there, I was like fuck, I checked the screen
and screen springs. I want to talk a little bit
about your repair work because you've fixed several of my
pieces now, I think. Do you have a difficult or
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memorable fix that you've done? The thing that you were like,
holy shit, like I fucking fix this shit afterwards?
Is there anything that comes outin your brain as far as repair
work? Goes there's a fair amount of
time nowadays that I will literally say, Nope, it's not
repairable. And it's it's a time and effort
mentality and calculation. I'll put the extra effort in if
there's a sentimentality for people.
Generally I say that you don't own rubber, you rent it from the
universe. Most rubber pieces you're going
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to get about five years from andthen it's just gone.
And after that it's like, OK, ifthe sleeve ribs, we're going to
make it a sleeveless suit. If the ass ribs on a cat suit, I
just might make make it a shirt.I've had even an ass RIP so bad.
They're like, OK, now I got a crop top.
There's a lot of queer things you can do with that.
The two pieces that I've really interested time in that I have
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repaired for myself or other people are two brands that don't
even exist anymore. I had a piece that I was
repairing from a company called Devil Dog Rubber.
James Batasama passed away in 2010 and he was in the middle of
starting a rubber company and made a couple of cool things and
a couple of really interestinglydesigned pieces.
And again, that's a suit that I've filmed that I've repaired
many times and it is almost morepatched than suit at this point,
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but it started as a full suit. Now it's and then it's a Shorty
and then it's a it's a crop top,but I want to save it as long as
I can that and then I have a beautiful puffer jacket that is
essentially a bluff version of rubber or rough rubber version
of bluff jacket. And again, it's from a company
that doesn't even exist anymore.It was called a host or House of
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service of thought. It existed in the UK in the
early aughts and I've not seen anyone make anything like it
since then. And so it's something that I
cherish and gently fix and we'lltake care of.
I've, I've, I've done pin holes,I've done medium pieces, I've
done even like jagged edge repairs up to like 16 or 18
inches. Really it's, it's a question of
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is this worth my time and energyto repair it for myself, a
friend, other somebody else? Am I making something pretty
into something that is going to be a play seat now because you,
you want to look pretty in public?
If I'm, if I'm wearing it at home, what it looks like as long
as it holds together for me and Tony.
Also, you have to think about repairing gear.
If it is it transparent, If it'stransparent gear, you're going
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to see the repair. So either you need to be able to
hide it well, you need to be able to do it with other clear
rubber that matches, or you're going to cut the rubber or do
something with it. A friend of mine had a cute pair
of transparent shorts to be ripped, and they ripped from one
side. So I fixed the side with opaque
black to completely cover the tear, and then I added a stripe
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in the other side so the sides match.
So you didn't even notice that it was repaired because you just
saw it? Oh, I had served the side.
You're so creative. I have an undergraduate in
costuming so I have to think like that.
OK, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm going to learn something newabout you while I'm here.
So what kind of what kind of wear and tear do you see most
often? Like, is it like, is there like
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a particular type of break that happens more often than the
knotters? Like I, I don't know.
It's like, it's like ripping like up the ass like on like a
pair of pants like we did at my house.
Is that like a common break or is it like sort of it's kind of
random like what pops and where?Yes, there are very common
stress points in gear. They're very likely to RIP. 90%
of tears are either something sharp you touched.
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You'll get those a lot on arms or legs.
Somebody has spike, you caught it on the edge of something.
Otherwise, stress points are anywhere there's a seam or
anywhere zipper begins or ends where you're going to wear a
butt. Zipper begins and ends in the
back of your butt. Especially if you're going to
put your legs over your head, that's a huge stress point.
Under the arms here is a huge stress point because you're
going from this to that and there's a lot of movement in the
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rubber here. You have to be able to, the
rubber has to be able to stretchexactly.
Vendors will try and solve it different ways.
By Libidex is kind of a ^2 off here to make sure there's as
much of A stress point. Different vendors will try and
solve it different ways. Yeah, there are very specific
areas that are likely to have the stress points.
OK, interesting. So OK, so we have reached the
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So because they're sponsoring the show, I want to ask
specifically about Invincible. What about Invincible Rubber
stands out to you as somebody who's really big in this scene?
And is it the craftsmanship, theaesthetic, or like what makes
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Invincible Rubber stand out to you?
They have amazing design perspective and they are
fearless in creating new ideas, including purposely poking holes
in rubber which. I have that suit.
It's beautiful. I've never worn it.
It's. So uncomfortable to look at it.
I have seen several people survive it and own it for a
minute and they've had so much fun with it because it creates
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such strong reactions. Yeah, I have the.
Fully. Perforated suit.
Oh. My God it's gorgeous and I'm
terrified. We didn't wear it.
We didn't. I don't know if you saw it, It
was in, it's in one of the, it'sin one of the bags.
But yeah, I have the fully perforated suit.
Okay, I gotta come back now. We gotta wear.
It get it on. Alright, so it's in the morning.
Okay, I'm in the way so. Didn't mean you're sorry about
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that. No, no, you're fine.
One of the other outfits, the single that I have, it's easy to
wear and it's a lot of fun. One of the other outfits I have
is a laser cut piece from them. They did, it was one of their
Christmas outfits. It's red and white and I look
like some standard jacking off, terrifying Santa horny
nightmare. It is beautiful.
And so they've done a lot of things, cool things over the
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years and they have done a lot of variety.
They're they're they're great from a brand perspective, like
branding. They were doing some Superman
stuff for a while. They've done full branding with
that and. Captain America.
I remember a Captain America suit.
Yeah, yeah. All of the superhero stuff.
So yeah. That's cool.
That's cool. Yeah.
My ex had the Captain America suit.
He wore it during also, for those of you guys who don't
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know, I mean, my ex, not that not that matters.
My ex was a Mr. Florida Rubber. I ran for Mr. Florida Rubber as
well a couple years ago, probably 5 or 6 years ago now at
this point. That was a really cool
experience. That was one of my my latex
interests really kind of took off after that and all my gears.
I'm kind of an invisible rubber slut.
Like I mean, I don't think I ownanything that's not invincible.
So they've always been kind of my preferred brand.
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So anyways, so you've played with a lot of different people.
So what separates a good rubber fisting scene from a forgettable
one? Or if there could be a
forgettable one, What's a what what's What makes a good rubber
fisting scene? Communication energy and people
who read each other. I've had newbie fisters or
newbie tops who read me or at least read the body energy
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between the two people. And that's the most important
thing is I can be screaming frompleasure or screaming from pain.
And you need to be able to tell the difference if, if I am bored
or if I am quiet. Because if I, if I'm not making
noise, it's great when people realize whether or not OK, I am
in the zone and I'm in a mentality of like, I'm taking
everything you're giving me or it's about reading each other
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and reading body language and and connection between the two
people. Afraidable Rubber.
Afraidable. It's the lack of communication.
I think it really is, yeah. In in the bondage community it's
called a dead fish sub or a Limabean sub.
Really. I've never heard that term
before. Well, like a Lima bean, no
matter how much butter you give it and how much like anything
you give it, it's still a sad little Lima bean.
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Yeah, it's true. A dead fish sub.
You just lying there in bondage.You don't know like is he
enjoying it? Is he not having fun?
Is he or Yeah, I I need some feedback as the top.
I need some feedback as the other person in the partner in
the scene. Yeah.
Sure. No, that makes total sense.
And I think of, I think, you know, separating, you know,
separate from just a rubber fisting scene, just a fisting
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scene in general. I think it boils down to good
communication between the top and the bottom.
I I know that for me personally,I start almost every scene with
what do I need to know about your butthole?
What do I need to know? Like what, what, what you width
person, depth person. And I think that some people are
just afraid to communicate that they're afraid to ask and
they're or they're afraid to answer with how they what they
really want. And I think that's really
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important in a scene. It's a consent thing, but it's
also like to make sure that you have you both have a good time.
It really is good communication at the beginning of the scene
will give me an idea of what I'mexpecting.
Am I expecting to W in 30 seconds or am I expecting to
work for 20 minutes just to get 3 fingers in?
And I've enjoyed both of those scenes.
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I have. I've never been elbow deep in
anybody. Yeah.
Yes, you have Well. I've been about here on you.
Yeah, yeah. Because you've got thick, you've
got thick meaty forearms and you're always, and The thing is
that my body doesn't usually typically react for depth and
stuff like that. It's usually skin on skin is
easier for me. And we've always played in full
Latex, so. And so there are people who
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react differently to a bare arm fisting versus A love fisting.
And those are both those both have their space in the
community and in the energy between the two people, as long
as the top still has full feeling and isn't numbed by the
amount of verbal they're wearingor the amount of you're wearing
to create that connection. Yeah, that's good.
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And then that makes a lot of sense.
I'm surprised. I mean, guys, I feel I remember
you doing some really crazy deepdouble S on me that because I
was wearing a cat suit that my ass was, the zipper was up.
And so like it just looks so intense.
Like it was really intense, but it looks, it looks even crazier
in video and pictures. So yeah, we filmed together, I
think. Well, now, I mean, I have so
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much video from the last time that we played that I haven't
even touched yet. So yeah, we filmed, we filmed
quite a bit together. So it's always fun.
It's been on and off over almost5 or 6 or more years, yeah.
Yeah, it's been a good, good, good time.
Good times. What kind of connection are you
looking for when you suit up? And does the rubber enhance
intimacy, distance, power or something else entirely?
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Rubber. Can be the great equalizer.
It can be a full customer. I've I look for the intimacy.
I love the intimacy of how it feels rubber to rubber to skin.
You can feel the heat of each other.
You can feel the warmth of each other.
We said we we talked earlier on how it feels from the outside
perspective. You can feel the weather, but
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you can also feel the heat of another person when you're close
to each other. That's really deep bro.
Yeah. That's really deep.
I know you like a deep. Like it deep, but that's deep in
another way, so. Yeah.
And so you can be in a cuddle puddle of rubber and really feel
each other and feel the connection, feel the emotion and
feel this, the strength of it all.
And there's something that we look for in the rubber
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community. And I'll make a reference to the
pup community as well. I was at a rubber event in
Amsterdam and there were a bunchof rubber pups just like
bouncing around in a mosh. And you all when you think of
pups, you really think of like guys in their 20s, guys in the
30s, really young, like kids even in, in their teens.
And I saw a guy who had been moshing and he took of his hood
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and I was shocked. And he was like 50 something.
And he was bounding around and playing with all the, all the
other rubber pups. And the rubber really let him
express himself and really let him open up.
And there was no judgement of his age, which is something that
ageism in the fetish community and the sexual community is
huge, is real. And rubber can really help
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people hide that kind of not hide, but rubber let people live
their fantasy. And not be hindered by it.
So not necessarily hide it, but not be affected negatively by it
so. Correct.
You. You.
You can be whoever you want to be.
You can live your fetish. You can live your life.
You can live your dream. Yeah, I saw this really cool
suit one time. I was at Mir and this guy had a
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latex rhino suit. I don't know if you've ever see
if you know what I'm talking about.
I know of really stocky. Must muscle stocky guy and he
has a late rhino suit. It's as I'd never seen anything
like it before. I was like this is so dope.
This is really cool. So I like that creativity that
it lets you let's let's you haveyou know, it was like who
identifies as a rhino? That's amazing.
It's like are you a pup? Are you the bear?
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Are you like an Otter? Are you that?
No, I'm a fucking rhino dude. Like.
The creativity and crossovers between all different PET
communities, the fetish communities, really, rubber can
be made into so many different things for fun.
In Bangkok, Thailand is making some really cool PET suits into
rubber and in silicone as well. And the difference between
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silicone and rubber is really blurring as well.
Wow, OK, what do you mean in silicone and rubber?
Silicone and rubber. A lot of rubber, you can see the
seam down the middle here rubberis seamed together.
A lot of silicone is poured in away and so that it is the
different the creation process. Also the repairability.
Rubber is more repairable than silicone, but silicone is much
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from moldable so you can't. You can create an extension of
your body or extension of your fetish through silicone with
that cool. Interesting, I guess I didn't
even know there was a real. I didn't even know silicone
outfits existed. And new.
They do. It's an extension of rubber.
It's kind of moving from, if youthink like linear moving from
neoprene to rubber and then to silicone and then moving in that
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direction with the creativity that allows.
That's cool. I can't remember if I remember
that and and this. I might cut this part out, but
there was a brand, it was calledLatexed.
Is that the? Latex D Yeah.
Is that is that? Is that what it's called Latex D
well? Is it the Polish company you're
talking about? It's that one guy that's always
the model. OK, he's.
Like he's Lee buff and this stuff is always really
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reflective. Like super, super reflective.
I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking
about? I'll find it later.
I think so. There were two Eastern European
companies that were doing very similar things and I'm not sure
if they were the same brand or whatever, but they were both
making O .25 thickness rubber and it's gorgeous and it is so
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thin that it has a very different visual quality to it.
The thicknesses of rubber reallycreate different visual aspects
of it. The thicker it is, the more
structured it is. I mean the thinner it is more
likely just to tear, but also the more it stretches.
Yeah, interesting. This is like a, this is an
educational lesson for me too, because I've always, I've never
really like known what I've always just sort of bought the
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standard thickness and I can never really realize what, what,
what the, the varying degrees ofthickness meant for, meant for
like. Most fashion latex is O .45 O
.5, O .6 and above is going to be for dry suits, meters,
heavier things that are more industrial that are going to
hold their shape more. If you want more like clothing
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type gear it's going to be an O .4 and below usually and that's
in thickness of millimeters is how they do sheets of rubber OK?
Interesting. And is it laser cut probably
then or some like I mean it's. Poured in a way I don't.
I don't understand the actual pause.
I don't know the actual process of it.
OK, if I ever get the guys from Invincible Rubber on your
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themselves, I'll ask them myself.
What advice would you give to somebody who's new to rubber and
curious about exploring? Dive in.
This is an open-ended question because you can.
It's some of the while rubber does have lower barriers to
entry and there are a lot of guys who are willing to loan the
rubber, other guys there are, there obviously are some who
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aren't. Yeah, I just personally brand
all mine, so it's hard to loan it out.
Yeah. Well, then I wasn't specifically
implying that, but yeah, I, I have a few pieces that I loan
out and there are some pieces that I don't.
I'm not sure. Diving in is a great piece of
advice. I mean, because I think it's
that applies to almost any kink.If you're curious about it, dip
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your toes in the water that get involved and get in get, you
know, get experiments a little bit.
There are clubs that do learninggear, there are places you can
try it on, there are social aspects that you can get into.
You can find older gear on 2nd inner marketplaces such as
Second Skin or at like some of the events that I sell at OK as
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well as I wouldn't buy much on Amazon.
Rubber on Amazon is going to be kind of terrifying.
Yeah, I was wondering, did they sell rubber on Timo?
Yeah, No, anything like that is going to be such low quality.
It's going to be 1. When you get into low quality,
you also get into rubber that isdipped versus seamed like I was
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talking about earlier. You can see the seam on the
capsule that I'm wearing a lot of some not a lot of, but some
cheap rubber is just dipped which or molded rubber.
It's very easy to wrap. You can create very 3D garments
with it, but it is so easy to wrap.
So I'm I would be worried to tell anyone to buy anything from
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that. Molded should only be purchased
for like gloves, socks, things like that.
Or like sheaths where you're looking for a 3D seamless image.
Sure. Yeah, you can't get from
probably. Can't get that from sewing it
together. Gluing it together, probably.
Not yeah. You don't want to see my new
Dick. Yeah, no, I have a hard enough
time with codpieces as it is. They never seem to fit me right.
Like I never seem to get them onappropriately.
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But do you think that the rubberscene is evolving?
How have you seen it evolve overthe last few years?
The rubber scene is definitely evolving.
It's much more expect, it's muchmore accepting of the queer
community, of moving forward in the transgender community, of
moving forward in the pet fetish, even the darker
communities. Darker community?
What do you mean by darker communities?
Well, you so there. The way that I wanted to go is
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talking about piston and. Yeah, no, no, in the messier
fetishes it's probably easier. It's much easier to gear up and
then be messy and then just. Clean it off the other side that
I that we swallow and we make sure that we, I don't want to
say we keep into wraps because we the the quiet acceptance or
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the quiet repulsion rather of the darker communities and, and,
and no way, shape or form. Am I talking about skin.
In no way, shape or form am I talking about any fetishes more
in the the Nazis, the degradation, the darker things
in that realm. Rubber is so easy to make in so
many costumes. It's so easy to making terrible
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costumes. It's so easy to make in so many
ideals and cool ideals. And that's where we need to be
focusing on 4 choices will be made by those who want to make
them. Yeah, and.
There's been people in the community that have been that
photos have leaked of them online dressed in Nazi latex
gear and they're excommunicated,you know, rightfully so.
But I mean, they're excommunicated most immediately.
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So there was a big scandal, I remember a couple months ago
with the porn star that was pretty popular, that all of a
sudden there was pictures leakedof him and Nazi gear and it was
done, done for. Last summer there was a British
content creator who was similarly thrown out of the
community because of that. And so, yes, and rightfully so.
I like what you're getting at though, that it's easy to do.
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It's it's the same sort of thingwith with AI.
You can use it for good or you can use it for be evil and it
just depends on the user. Exactly what is it?
What's the whole Superman thing?Great power, you know, Spider
Man. With great power, great
responsibility. Yeah, exactly.
Thank you. Yes.
So if it's easy for, if it's, ifit's easy to use, then it's also
easy to abuse. Yeah, that's a very that's
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that's very interesting because I, I mean, I know people that
are using. That's an interesting philosophy
to apply to Latex because it is so easy to make.
Probably or easy to. To customize, and it's easy to
customize into ways that are offensive to a lot of people.
So really is, yeah, it's wild. I've seen, I've seen guys that
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have had that have had gear likethat.
And I'm just like, I don't know,that's wrong thing.
That's all. That's a whole other episode.
What do you wish people understood more about the rubber
community or rubber pigs, especially those who think that
it's just a costume? It's it's a lifestyle.
It's also a costume. Don't take juice fucking
seriously. Yeah.
I have done hardcore fisting to like deep industrial techno that
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you're here in a year, Berkhine.I've also done fisting to opera.
Really. Oh yeah, I have.
No, actually, weirdly enough. I have seen the top doing like
opera and holding the notes while he's holding like the
first. It was beautiful.
That's amazing. I've also done it to disco and
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like get that little beat in there.
And so I've seen all this happenand the same the rubber
community shiny show tunes or a thing at Mir.
Yeah, they are. Or work.
And so bringing comedy, humanityand liveliness into your fetish
and into the Rover community is important.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.And that's very true.
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And I think that's what makes like Latex kind of special, is
that you can bring the fun into it.
Like I have much more fun in this scene than I have in that.
I didn't let their scene. It just allowed me to be like
more. It's just, it sort of feels,
it's for the freaks. It sort of feels it's for like
the misfits. And so and that's what I kind of
love about it. It's that it's like we're all
just kind of a little bit, we'reall just a little bit weird.
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And it's I love that. I personally love that about the
scene that is always just seems it's kind of the island of
Misfit toys a little bit. I do really tell people that I
belong in the scratch and bin atthe grocery store.
Like. I'm definitely the imperfect
variety. Like sure, I come with baggage,
OK, There's a steamer trunk behind me, so.
Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen the Elijah
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Schlesinger skate where she talks?
So do you know Elijah Schlesinger?
Yes. OK.
Where she's like, this seems like a good place to unpack my
shit. Yeah, that's how I feel all the
time. I'm like, that's probably why I
still why I'm still single five years later.
Anyways, somebody that's a wholeother episode too.
Somebody who's been in this world for a long time.
What do you think? The rubber community or the
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fisting community, rubber slash,fisting rubber or fisting
community still needs more of orless of.
We still need to take out our garbage.
We still need to be constantly moving forward.
We still need to be constantly evolving.
Vendors will always be on the next step of technology.
Vendors will be looking for the next step of what what they can
sell you. We need to be making sure that
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we are taking care of the community.
We're taking care of each other.We're taking care of the
humanity. We're making sure that we're
still accepting of those that are imperfect.
It's easy to go to Folsom, look perfect, create one image, and
crop out everything else that's around it.
You don't know how long it took to get in this outfit.
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You don't know how many outfits I broke.
You don't know how long I had towork to earn it, or to afford
it, or to get here. And it's easy to create and
cultivate the perfect image online.
But yeah. And what and the great thing
about the rubber community, as we just mentioned, is it's OK to
be imperfect. It's OK to be a little messy, a
little sloppy, a little imperfect, a little put
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together. And I've seen people come to
rubber events with people with pieces they made themselves
cool. They fully cut, glued and put
together themselves and designedthemselves.
And they're so welcome. And I want to make sure and I
support and I pushing people to support that we still accept
those people and accept the community and keep welcoming the
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imperfect fruits into our community.
That's an amazing way to end this set of questions.
So it's a really, really great way to end it.
And I'm really, I'm on board with that because it's that's
what I kind of, that was my mission from the beginning when
I started Hunger FF. If I had a mission statement, it
was to make this thing accessible to everybody and
welcome everybody. Yeah.
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The ageism issue is a problem. And for me, it doesn't matter
how really how old you are, you know, your body type, your race,
your age, whatever. None of that really matters to
me as long as we share an understanding of mutual respect
when it comes to fisting and interest when it comes to
fisting. And because some of like, the
the best fisting experiences that I've had are with guys that
I'm not traditionally attracted to.
But like, I gave it, you know, Igave it a shot anyways because
(46:58):
their vibes seem fun. And so.
Yeah, and it, and it turned out to be like a really, really
amazing experience. And that's, and that's always,
it's always a nice surprise whenit's I kind of go in with
expectations that are maybe not necessarily terribly high.
And then, oh, just the other night I was just playing with
this new dad, this daddy who'd never fisted before in his life.
Really. He was fisting bottom.
He but he'd never topped and he was afraid to top and blah,
(47:19):
blah, blah, blah. And he fisted me and his he was
so good. I was like, damn, I'm like,
like, and I didn't mean to blow smoke up his ass because I was
like, Yo, I'm like these were this was like really, really
good and like really fun and you're amazing and I really want
to see you again. And like your hands are so great
and and you have like that intuition that I always talk
about. And I feel like he thought that
I was like, but I was being deadserious.
I'm like, it's just so cool whenyou have that experience where
(47:41):
somebody is like the the the reality exceeds the expectation.
It's really exciting. So where you're just rubber Kai
on like most social media sites,right?
Yeah, I thankfully I'm old enough that I was able to secure
that most of the sites and I jump onto all of the newer
social media sites or whatever the next thing is just to grab
that name. It's weird enough and unique
(48:01):
enough. And after I legally changed my
name to Kai, it was much easier to get the recognition for that.
But yeah. Cool, so I'll include all your
social media links when I do thethe episode description for this
and like when I post some teasers and stuff like that.
So thank you again for doing this episode with me and I want
to thank our sponsor, InvincibleRubber for sponsoring this
episode and giving me some new gear to wear my next couple
(48:23):
scenes I'm going to be filming. If you guys are enjoying the
show, this is episode 54 prolapse.
We are on Apple, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube and
iHeartRadio. New episodes go live Friday
nights at 8:00 PM on hungerff.com.
And just for fans slash hunger, FF also give Kaya a copy of the
video episode to post on his Desperate Fans page so you can
find it there as well. And then early access for
(48:43):
Spotify subscribers for the video episodes go live as soon
as I'm done editing them, which lately has been like, you know,
just shortly before the real onegoes, the audio episode goes
live. But I've been trying to get them
up a little bit earlier for you guys that are Spotify
subscribers. So again, thank you guys so
much. Thank you, Kai, for doing this
with me and thank you very much.Yeah, of course.
And I'll see you soon and I'll see you guys next week.
(49:04):
Have a good one. Cheers.
Have a good night. Thanks for going deep with me on
Hunger FF Presents Prolapse. If you're loving the ride, hit
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