Episode 55: Silver Steele: Kindness, Kinks, and Community

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Welcome to Bro Labs, the Fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey, you guys, welcome back for
another episode of Bro Lapse, but I'm super excited with
today's guests. Have today's guests on the show.
Silver Steel is here with us today.
Hey, guys. Welcome.
Thanks. For joining.

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Yeah. No, I'm we haven't.
I don't remember when was the last time we saw each other.
Face to Face was when you came to Houston and you filmed with
me and my friends and Oscar Bearand we yeah, we did that.
And you had. I love it because, like, I can
still see your background. You're in your pink and blue
lighting era because let's say it does it does it, it really

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does a lot of work for you as far as like even like hiding
blemishes and it just creates a good vibe and stuff.
And I show clips of that video all the time because when people
get people ask, like, so like, how freaky are you?
I'm like, ma'am, let me show you.
I show, I show. I've made gifts, little gifts
from that thing like where I'm like licking your, where I lick

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your prolapse and whatnot. Yeah, it's, yeah, that's.
One of my that's one of my favorite videos.
I think I use it in the intro ofmy my website.
The video that plays when you first log on my website.
It's like hottest group fisting action.
And so the clip from that, that that video is so good.
It was so much fun. I, I had the best time on that
trip. That was so fun.
That was. Remember it was one of your
first ten that launched your site, the 1st 10.

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Videos. Yep.
Yeah, Yeah. I was going to say, it was right
at the very beginning of the Hunger theft.com era.
Yes. Thank you for being part of
that. Of course it was my pleasure.
So you haven't really done much talking about your experience
with this thing on the Internet,I guess.
I mean, I don't know if I don't know if you covered it all with
masculine Jason. He doesn't really do much fist
things. No, and that therein lies the
problem. So I have friends that are big

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fisters when people go are you afester?
I am not sure how to answer thatbecause it's like people asking
me, are you a gamer? And I'm like, I would call
myself I'm a huge nerd. I as you see, I'm a massive
cosplay and stuff, but I would call myself gamer adjacent in
fisting. I would call myself fisting
adjacent, not for lack of desirebecause I love doing it, but I'm
just not around a community thatdoes it a lot.

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Now in Houston, we do have a group called SCF the space city
festers and I've been to one of their events.
And but one thing that you'll see with a lot of my brand, so
to speak, is that it has a lot of breadth.
So I cover a lot of different areas.
And when I try to hang out with like guys who are festers or
like space city festers, all they want to do is fist.
And I have to have, I just have to have a little bit more

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variety. Listen, when I have my pawn
somebody, I get it. Yeah, I get it.
But then it's like that's what everything's focused on.
I just need a little bit more variety.
But the problem is, when I step away from a fisting group,
there's rarely an opportunity for me to do it with people or
talk about it or discuss it. So I feel like it falls to the
wayside, which is part of why I'm so happy to discuss my

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experience here. Yeah, good.
And that's it's kind of, it is sort of a a trope, I guess where
once you get into fisting, it's you're kind of as a bottom, at
least I think some of us get lost to just fisting.
And so it's every once in a while when I have, you know,
Dick sex or like doing somethingelse.
Oh yeah, this is nice. Long time ago, I said like, and
you're one of the first people Iasked because you make it, you

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make it very public how comfortable you are with this.
So of course, when you appear comfortable with something, it
becomes easier for people to askyou about something.
And I said, what's it like? Are you able to have normal sex
or, I'm sorry, are you able to enjoy normal sex?
And you were like, absolutely. Because it's kind of like, you
know, in our minds, we think once you get past that point of
fist, it's like, what else will satisfy you?
But it's just a different kind of satisfaction.

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Right. Yeah, it's different.
It's a it's a much more intimateexperience for me to have sex
intercourse first with somebody than it is for me to get fisted.
It's like, oh see, it's the other way around for me.
The other way around for almost everyone, yeah.
For me it's it's very intimate to me to have Dick in butt sex.
Then it is for me to have to getfist.
I can get fisted by almost anybody, but I have to really
feel connected and want somebody's Dick inside my ass.

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Yeah, no, I totally. Get it?
Totally get it. So how did you first get into
fisting, and how has your relationship evolved with it
over the years? So actually, before I met you, I
actually didn't have very much experience.
I have done it a few times and Iliked it, but it was one of
those things that first of all, my hands, I'm 6 foot 3.
And I know you can't really gauge that when you're looking

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at a podcast, but I'm 6 foot 3 and while my hands are slender
like my fingers are, I don't have the ability to collapse
like so many people do. I've seen people that can like
get their the 2nd and the 5th meta club will practically touch
and that's that's a gift. But I can't do that.
So my hands aren't really starter hands.
So I don't have a lot of people going like, Oh, I need you to
fist me because my Paul, they'renot meaty either, you know?

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Well, you're, you're Sunday hands.
You're like at the end of the weekend when you're like.
Right, right. And so, so I had, I had tried it
a few times and I never, and still to date, I really don't
have a desire to, to be a fisting bottom right now.
I'm just like, and the, the, theolder I get, the less I even
want to bottom. Anyway, I actually started sex

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as the bottom and the, the needles kind of go the other
direction. But, but then when I met you, it
was like, and even before I met you, I had seen your profile and
I was like, holy crap. It's not just like it's like you
can really like do some stuff here and become into Fort
Lauderdale and do Pig week. Actually, I kind of opened my
eyes. That was the first time I'd ever

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seen like a group fisting session.
Every time I'd seen somebody fisted, it was like a one off
sort of thing. It was like maybe there's an
orgy, but then these two guys decided to do.
It that was kind of the beginning of the era of fisting
blowing up. Right.
That was like, because that was like 20, 17.
No, it was 20. It was 2018 or 2019.
It was one of those two. It was like, Oh my God, I saw

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people. It was, this is back when they
have a lot of the parties over the garages of leatherworks.
Yeah, yeah. I just seen people bend over on
the tables to take it. And what I wasn't expecting was
rolls of of paper towels and puppy pads and all the supplies
that fisters know they need. But people who aren't fisters,
it would be like, oh, of course that makes sense, you know?
And so it was cool watching how the setup is different for that

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than it is for just typical. Orgy, that was pig week, right?
That we That was pig week, OK. Cool because I was one of the
tops for the gang bang lottery. Yeah, the gang bang lottery.
Yep, it's a little different these days.
I went last year and I was like.Oh, cow, really.
And so I live in Fort Lauderdaleand so Pig Week I just kind of
take advantage of like the guys that are in town, like I don't.
Right, right. He.

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Doesn't you don't I have a play space at home, so I go to a ton
of the parties, but I, I, I poached all the hot guys that I
want to play with and bring themhere.
So, but what it what it? What's different about the
gangbang? Well, because it used to be like
everything. A lot of those parties used to
happen at Leatherworks. But I after I went I think 2018
and 2019 after that, I had takena break from it for a while and
I always wanted to go, but maybesomething came up and I finally

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went in 2024 and the Chad's event has just grown.
I'm so proud for of how big he'smade it.
But they don't fit inside Leatherworks anymore.
So the gang bang lottery party happens on Wednesday at Manor
and I was like, oh, Manor, you can't do anything there.
Well, no, they like booked the entire place for private event
and it is like drop everything. There's the clothes, check and

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hang out. And it's like, Oh my gosh, this
is. Amazing.
That's awesome. It's a lot of fun and so and
they have a stage where they canactually do the.
Gangbang. That's awesome.
So what is the game? Bang Lottery?
It's like one guy wins the gangbang lottery, right?
It's you when you buy your run pass for the whole event, your
name gets added as a candidate. If you want to, you can choose
to be added or not. And then that night they go

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through the names they draw and they say, OK, the winner is.
And of course you must be present to win because they're
going to do it right then and there.
And they we'll call your name. And if you're there, then Ding,
Ding, Ding. You go up on stage and these
five guys just, you know, run you through.
There used to be a double gang bang there for a little while
where you had one that was at the party on stage and you had

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another for being filmed. So the tops were used twice.
Yeah. So if you didn't want to be
filmed but you still wanted to be a candidate to win, you would
just do the non filmed one. Cool, that's cool.
But you can put. You can put your name in for
both either or you however you want.
It such a statement on how content culture has taken over.
It dominates. Yeah.
They have a content creation gang bang orgy and a non content

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creation, which is everybody. You know, I just went to a
fisting party yesterday that I thought was just a straight
fisting party. I was going, I didn't bring my
didn't bring any equipment. I just, I was going just for
fun. And then as soon as I get there,
this guy's like, do you want to make some content?
And I was like, I mean, I'm not going to say no, I'm sure.
But it's just, it was just, it'sfunny.
Everybody is a content creator now.
It's. Or it's just it's just woven in

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the culture because now you'll see parties are hosted at
spaces. It'll be like it'll be it'll say
no phones or it'll be like filming area available or even
even just on hook up apps. You'll see like it's, you know,
kind of like the question would be like you host.
Yeah. And then now it's like you fill,
you know, it's just that's what,it's just one of the questions
you asked now. Crazy is that I just noticed

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because I used to have my my Scruff profile.
They changed my scruff handle. They changed, I don't know, I
didn't change it and they changed it from I got your man
into fisting, which I thought was really funny.
And then they changed it to looking for fun or something
like that. And so I don't know was it?
With the double F. Yeah, it was with the double F,
but they changed my Scruff handle and because I changed the
text of my, because the text of my, my Scruff profile talked

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about looking for content filmers or whatever and they
changed. That's OK.
You can do that, Yeah, they it'sthe rules.
I don't know, I got him. I got a strike on my Scruff
account recently for something. And so, yeah, they were like,
oh, they, they adjusted some parts of my profile for me and I
was like, Oh yeah, whatever. So.
Yeah, the only thing I've got for them is like, oh, picture
too spicy or something, you know, something like that.
But but Scruff has never given me a problem.

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The only thing I've ever had to do is like just verify who I am,
which because you have people that are just constantly
catfishing. And Oh my God, there's a hundred
Instagram accounts for me. Oh, I'm sure people will always
message me like is this really you?
I'm like, sweetheart, if someoneis going to copy someone else,
they're going to pick someone hotter than me or someone more
famous like that. I'm like I'm not the profile to
copy if someone is copying me and someone who news like out to

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get me purposely. But so often Sean Duran is one
that you'll see like a billion times.
You know Rocco is 1. You'll see a billion times.
So I'm just like, yeah, if you see me on there, it's probably
me even still scropping grinder.I'll be like to to make sure I'm
here for the verification personally.
Yeah, me too. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm all for a
verified Internet and all that stuff.
When people were freaking out about it, I was like, come on.

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It's it's just, I was. I want to know that who I'm
talking to is who I'm talking to.
I didn't think it was too crazy.I'm so thinking, so when we
filmed together at Pig Week, hasthat was one of your earliest
fisting experiences? Yes, I mean, I'm sure you hear
this all the time. The fisting experiences I had
prior to you were obviously nothing like that because it
just the skills and what you're able to do is so beyond.

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And not only that, but with the amount of experience you have,
you are able to better articulate what's needed.
So for someone that needs to learn what to do, you know,
people just go go slow and it does so much more than go slow.
There's like, if you feel this to do that, if you do this now,
move your hands at a clockwise movement like that.
It's like with someone who has experience that is like that is

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gold to someone like me and tellme exactly what to do.
And I feel like my, I always tell people that I have a
practice hole. I have a good practice hole
because there's a lot of margin for error.
You can kind of like, you can kind of mess up.
I mean, granted, I mean, I, you know, and, and ultimately I was
the one that ended up hurting myself.
But I mean, there's a lot of margin for there's some, there's
some room for learn. There's there's not you can
learn like if somebody went. Too deep, too fast.

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You're the person to do that on.Yeah, because I mean, well, I
hope not. I hope they don't go too too.
Fast. No.
No, but if they make that mistake, better with you than
with someone that hasn't had that experience before.
Right. So how do you, how do you think
that your approach has your approach to facing change since
we first played together? OK.
So definitely learned a lot. I learned quite a bit between

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the time we first filmed the time we second film.
But from the time we filmed the second time to now is when I've
learned the most. And that is primarily because I
have immersed myself in Group settings where I'm around more
fisters and I see a variety of activity and what people like.
I'm one of those that here I taught anatomy for several
years, my degrees in biology andwhen people back, he was really

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my 2nd hole. Like you don't have a 2nd hole
and it's really just and it's really it's a matter of it's
semantics more than anything else.
And you know, and when I realized that's what they're
talking about, I'm like, they'retalking about the sphincter
that's higher up and needs to open and go through.
And I think part of why I would like roll my eyes is because I
knew how far apart your anus andthat sections sphincter were.

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And then I'd look at the guy's Dick of who they were talking
about. I was like, did not, no, no,
this is not a fake. When you sit and stuff, it
changes the shape of your insides and some people it does
hit. And so definitely in the past, I
would say especially in the past5-6 years, I've been of the
mindset of telling myself, who the fuck are you?
Like if someone says that, believe them.

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If they say they said I don't know, I don't know that you
know. And so which body is different
right? Every.
That's exactly. It opens my eyes and mind to the
concept of something being possible.
So with that mindset, on top of being immersed in more fisting
settings, I've really had the chance to the opportunity to
learn more. When I played with you the first
time, I think we were all still using J Lube.

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You might have been using K Lube, I'm not sure.
But now we've people moved on toX Lube and Faust and stuff and
there's just a variety of thingsout there.
And everybody has, when I have something to go, Oh no, or you
can fist me on silicone Lube. I'm like.
No, I can't. Want to.
I don't want to Yeah. Like it's just yeah, it's like
it might feel OK to you, but knowing what I know, I would
really prefer it if we had fisting Lube.

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Yeah, just. And just, you know, when you
know better, you do better, right?
Yeah. Even if the bottom is like go
for it, I've done it before. I'm like, that doesn't mean it's
it's. OK, I have to argue with tops
all pretty frequently. I one of my questions is what's
your favorite? One of my pre screening
questions is what's your favorite kind of fisting Lube?
And if they tell me that they like Swiss Navy or they tell me
they like Astroglide or they tell me they like whatever.

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All right, thank you. This is this is great.
I'm really glad we had a chance to talk, but I don't think this
is going to work. He sound Girl Scout.
If your if your answer is not JKor X Lube then I don't think
this is going to go right so. What is your response to when
they say something like Crisco, which I know is old school but
today people still love it. I don't really know what the
answer is there. So my thoughts on Crisco, I

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mean, I have Crisco imagery around my house I love just
because of its ties to fisting and stuff.
And I think it's, it's funny. But it's exactly it's it's the
classic way to do it before the Internet.
But but before the Internet. Exactly.
So my thing with Crisco is that when you walk into somebody's
house that uses Crisco, you can sort of smell it, right?
When you go in their house, it'sin their towels, it's in their
bits, it's in their sheets. It just smells kind of like old

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food I think. That's how I feel about people
who are obsessed with coconut oil.
Yeah, I feel like that smell permeates everything.
Yeah, exactly. That's so funny that you
mentioned that because my friend, I just had a friend that
visited me that has coconut oil and sprayed it on sprays on
himself and it's on. It does smell.
You can tell when I walk in my house.
Yeah, he's here. So, but yeah, it's it doesn't

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bother me, but I mean, the coconut oil smells straight.
Doesn't bother me. But this Crisco smells, smells
once it's gone through the dryer.
Yeah, it smells for us. So it's an.
Animal product, it's like, yeah.It doesn't doesn't smell good.
So I mean, that's my only thing.And and I've heard my other
friends of mine that tell me that J loop smells bad after a
while and I can't ever I mean, Idon't know, it's it's all just
it's personal preference in the end of the day.

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Yeah. So so I wanted to ask you about
your obviously for those of you guys who are listening to the
show, you guys, if you've been regular listeners, you or just
followed me on the Internet, know that I recently had a colon
accident, not a not a fisting injury.
It was just from douching and I poked a hole through my sigmoid
colon with the shower shot nozzle.

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So it's scratch ever getting an endorsement from shower shot.
But you said when we were getting ready to do this that
you recently had a friend that had to undergo a colon
resectioning after a fisting injury.
So what? What was your reaction to that?
And then how does it shape your way that you think about safety
in a fisting space? In my mind, the funny part is
that when you originally had posted on social media about how

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you had had the colostomy bag and you had the injury and
everything, I was in my mind, I was thinking not hunger.
He knows what he's doing and anybody who gets with a must
know what they're doing. And you know the funny part is
your injuries not even fisting like it didn't happen because a
fisty was something else that happened.
And so when this happened to my friend, they are they are
fisters together. They fisted, they go to fisty

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parties, all that kind of stuff.But I think the person that
injured my friend was not, I think he was a novice when it
came to fisting. And so he got injured, but it
was one of those things where hedidn't know how injured he was
until later. And there's a variety of things
that happened, like, you know, something that you know, you
know, people would be like, oh, I want to get fucked with you

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while you're wearing your PrinceAlbert.
And I'm like, it's really going to be kind of underwhelming
because you only feel it when itfirst goes in because once it's
inside colon, your rectum stuff doesn't have the receptors to
actually feel the metal. No, it feels right.
I said you can feel the force, but you don't actually have
tactile endings the same way youdo on your skin.
So you're going to be disappointed.
Well, you have a similar situation.

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I mean, if you get torn, obviously you're going to feel
pain. But if something's, if I was to
scratch the inner lining of, of you know, of your, of your
rectum or anything, you're not going to feel that same thing.
Just pain receptors. It's all different inside.
And so he was injured. I don't think he knew just how
injured he was because it was like, I think it was more of an

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ache or dull ache, but then ended up being an actual tear.
But he didn't realize till later.
And I and I think they were at a, a gay campground, if I'm not
mistaken. And they, they had to drive like
really far. I, I want to say drive at least
three hours to, to a hospital that took their insurance.

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Yeah, it seemed that awful, right?
I was like, it's an emergency knob.
But the first thing you have to think about is money.
Yeah, it's gross. It's gross.
So anyway, I think I have a lot of thoughts about, you know,
safety and everything and everybody's level of quote, UN
quote safety is different. But for me, even more important
than just saying the word safety, it's education.
Those people. I just just don't approach this

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thinking like, oh, it's hot. Come on.
I'm just, it's the same way whensomebody goes, I'm just going to
spit on my Dick and shove it andI'm like, the hell, you are
right. And here's why.
You know who is your friend? Right.
Exactly. You know, and so it's the same
thing like I'm going to fit you in the IT comes from a place of
I'm going to dominate you and itneeds to come from a place of I
want to experience this with you.

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That is that's my personal opinion, you know, because the
dominating part can happen, but let that be part of the
experience. And especially if you don't have
any experience before the Dom isthe bottom.
That's the person who needs to control this entire situation.
But I think, you know, some people just get aggressive.
It's like when they want to stick their Dick in because they
want to show someone who's boss.I'm like, that's just not,

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that's not how this works. You've either you've been you've
either have some history with with sex or porn or something
that is sort of twisted the way that you think in reality.
But that's just that's not it. And so with regard to safety,
his injury just makes me think about how many people need to be
educated about fisting. Because let's face it, unless
you're a fist reader pursuing fisting, it's not something

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that's talked about a lot. No, it's not.
And I see people doing dangerousstuff on the Internet all the
time and that and the Internet is where we get our you know, a
lot of people are learning aboutsex through the videos that they
walk through porn. And so if I'm porn, I'm watching
people take old toys and inserting them all the way
inside. And then, you know, sure, it's

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hot, but then what happens if the toy gets stuck?
But some kid out there on the Internet saw it and was just so
I'm going to try this too. And so there's a lot of monkey
see, monkey do. And I can think that like we
just need to be like better about the types of that's that's
that's why I kind of make all the videos I make are like from
start to finish. It's like from the warm up to
the to the aftercare. It's like they show like an
entire session from start to finish so that you get an actual

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idea of what it's supposed to look like as opposed to just
like the hot. Part, Yeah, hey, if you would
have Fast forward to that part, fine.
But you did your due diligence by providing more than that.
I think it's responsible. I think it's because, I mean, I
think there's something to be said about just just the hot
parts or whatever. But then I also know that I have

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a big audience and I have a big platform, and so people are
watching what I do. And so if they're going to watch
what I do, I want them to watch what I do and learn from it.
Right. And I think people do look to
you as a resource, maybe not notprivately, but they'll be like,
if there's anybody that knows what they're talking about, it's
him. You know, I wonder if he has
information. So by embedding it in your
videos, you've just made it so accessible.

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Yeah, cool. Well, I'm glad you see it the
same. Way I've done similar, I had to
do a live sex show one time I had told the event that I did
because they're like do the sex show and then we also want you
to do like an Eastern class And I was like, I've done this
eastern class like twice alreadyand I feel like it's going to be
the same audience. I'd really rather not know like,
well, you don't have to, that's fine.
And then when I was about to do the show, the audience was all

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in the room and everything. And then I had asked the event
producer, I was like, hey, wouldyou mind if I just did like a
little seminar before the show and explained what I'm doing
with Trinex? And they said absolutely.
So I had, I had auto and I had the other performer and I said,
hey guys. And we had the sling behind us.
And I said before we get started, I wanted to talk to you

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all about what we're about to do.
And I explained how it is that we're staying hard this whole
thing, especially with the acrobatics that was about to do.
And yeah, I did that like a backflip off this link.
But I explained what Tronics was, how it works and how you
can get it if you're whether you're a good candidate, so on
and so forth. And at the end of the show, I'd
have, mind you, I've done this event.

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This was the, this was the thirdtime I'd done this event.
And when I did it at the end in the past, there's like a little
touch and feel session where thepeople can come up and say hi
and rub on you, all that stuff. This time, at least 50 of the
50% of the people that came up after I was like, hi, yes, come
touch. They're like, actually, I just
wanted to come talk to you aboutyour little scenario you did

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before. That was amazing.
And I've always had questions about it.
And it was so cool because I injected right in front of them
and they get to watch it go up in real time and and so on and
so forth. And so people are so
appreciative. So it because not just just
because the information is deeded, but because people don't
know what to look for. What about this injection?

(22:31):
How do I find it? So when you just make it readily
accessible, it just opens so many doors for people.
Yeah, isn't easily accessible information that's accurate and
factual and God, it wouldn't, wouldn't be nice if that was
just the standard today. It's it isn't so bizarre that
it's not. Yeah, it's.
Horrible, it's horrible. It's crazy.

(22:51):
So I mean that's that's great that you did that and I'm I'm
because Trimex is one of those things that's also very can be
very dangerous. And so like not if the if the
right information isn't is accessible.
I mean I have a bottle. I keep a bottle of the antidote
next to my bed for when I do it and just because it's I mean,
I'll do it and it's funny. It's like I'll do like a really
small amount of trimix and then my Dick stays hard for forever.

(23:13):
I'm I'm sure I must be super sensitive.
I. Fucking hate you.
No girl, my Dick stays hard for 8 hours and I'm by the hour
eight a month. You feel like go hard that long.
I know, I mean, at six, at hour 6, I'm starting to scream and
I'm like getting irritated, right?
My hour 6 I'm telling I tell people by hour 6 you need to be
putting them to sleep. You were incredibly, incredibly

(23:34):
vocal during the Monkey Pox outbreak.
And so I remember seeing your posts and just feeling for you
and just being a, I'm like getting goosebumps right now.
I was patient zero in Broward. So when I, I brought it back
from Berlin and, and so I, I gottreatment before most of the
other people did. So I was really lucky.
My case was I got it from fisting somebody.

(23:54):
I had it all over my arms, like from fingertips to my shoulders,
basically because I was shoulderdeep in the sky.
And so I'm pretty sure that's, that's where I got it from.
But it's, it was really, it was devastating to the community I
think at the time because it hitall of us in some way, shape or
form. Almost every content creator,
everybody who is sexually active, young gay guys, older

(24:16):
gay guys, whatever. And you were super vocal about
it. How did living through that,
especially being so vulnerable and out there about it on the
Internet, affect you personally and professionally?
Work the benefits exponentially outweighed whatever whatever you
know cons the word to to me doing this.
There are a couple of days something that I don't want to

(24:38):
sound like some kind of like some kind of like, you know,
porn savior or something like that or trying to virtue signal
or anything, because I really try to be avoiding that, but I
am aware. See what people were
particularly cruel to you too? But I knew going in they were
going to be. And so, and The thing is, I
just, I just, I knew ahead of time before I started releasing

(24:58):
my story in my face to the news that those people are not who I
was doing this for. So it's like I already just kind
of, I was ready to like endure slings and arrows.
And it that that wasn't a big, that wasn't a huge deal.
I was a little bit more concerned with how it might
affect me, you know, professionally, whatever, But
even then wasn't super, super concerned.

(25:19):
And not only that, but This is why I say I want to, I don't
want to sound too crusadery and like I have this big superhero
complex, but I saw too many people scared of what they were
going through. I would be on these Instagram,
someone post on Instagram, this like Zoom call thing that
everybody who is going through, if they need someone to talk to,
I would join there about 20 guyson there and they would say

(25:40):
things like, Oh, no one wants totake care of me.
Everybody's scared to come over and buy myself that.
And I had an incredibly wonderful support system here.
But when people were just scaredand crying aloud and didn't know
what to do medical professionals, I was drawing,
drawing too many parallels between what was happening with
them and what was happening withthe AIDS crisis.
And and I was just like, bitch, not on my watch.

(26:01):
And so I was like, because I'm just sitting here at home in
pain, not doing anything. I'm like, I could be doing
something right now. And that's why I always say this
is the crusader part. I told myself when I was
starting to get into porn that I'm aware of my privilege, where
I come from, what I have access to and everything.
And I said if I ever got any kind of modicum of fame that I

(26:21):
wasn't just going to be like, sit back and realize I wanted to
do something, you know, human with it.
I want to do something, you know, profound if I could.
And so with that opportunity presented itself.
I was like, bitch, yes, here we go and.
I remember seeing a major like Ididn't expect to get all this
notoriety from. This right?
Yeah, she got she got her 5 minutes she did.

(26:42):
It was like I said, it was overwhelmingly positive.
Fox News got a hold of my story and and of course made it really
ugly. They're like porn star that
specializes in Group porn gets monkey box and they took a
picture of my gang bang and monkey box right next to each
other even though they were like9 months apart, you know, but
that's just that's what they do.And so when Fox News tried to

(27:04):
come approach me, it was the local affiliate stations.
They would try to ask me for a story and I said, guys, I know,
I know you'll want it, but I have to be a good steward of my
community and in good conscience.
I can't give it to Fox. I'm sorry.
And they and every single time they said we understand, we get
it. It was the same way for this one
British company. I can't remember what it was,

(27:24):
but I told them no, they could get, but I gave it to the BBC,
but not the other ones. But anyway, the when I would get
messages on Facebook or whateverprivately saying thank you so
much, I got vaccinated because of you.
That was everything I needed. That's all I needed and I was
like, if I can just help one person not go through this, I
did my job and it was worth going through it.

(27:46):
Yeah, that's really great. And it's I was so proud of you
for doing what you did. It was really just.
I'm sure you've heard that 1000 times, but.
Everybody goes, oh, you're so brave, you're so brave.
And, and putting yourself out there like that, like, sweetie,
it's not bravery, it's not confidence, it's apathy.
It's just like giving a fuck, that's all.
But I but I don't know if you still have scars.

(28:08):
I still have mine on my face. I'll zoom in a little bit.
You can see under my lip some ofthe little circles there.
Yeah, those are my house forms. But I'm fortunate that I didn't
have anything below the below. OK, I had mine on my hands and I
can. So I'll tell you a gross story
really quick. So I don't know if you remember
this or not, but I was in, I wasin a 40 day trip to Europe and I

(28:28):
got it in the beginning when it was in Berlin.
And then I traveled Europe for 40 days.
And on day 40, which is generally the gestation period,
I think it's a month or something like that.
It was. I don't know.
That's the incubation period. I think it's like it's, it's a,
it's a, I'm pretty sure it's like a week.
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure, but I bet we'll
go look. It could be different from.
I remember the time thinking that the time I remember I

(28:50):
remember specifically thinking the time I remember specifically
thinking at the time that the the the timeline matched up
perfectly with how I felt. I got exposed.
Anyways, I was in London Heathrow Airport, which is the
busiest International Airport onthe entire and I'm What's this
thing on my hand? Well, I mean, so the way it
manifests on me was like, you didn't even cut any Whitehead.

(29:10):
That looks like razor burn. Yeah.
So what is it that you thought you were?
That's what I I was like, that'sweird.
I have a pimple on the palm of my hand.
That was a pimple. OK, got.
It and so I was like, oh, I wantto pop it because I'm gross.
And so I was like, I'm going to,you know, so I popped it and
then so I'm leaking monkey box basically out of my hand that
I'm then handing my passport to TSA and you know, whatever.

(29:32):
And they And so by the time thatI by the time that I got home on
from from fucking London, I had it all over my arms and all over
my it was spreading everywhere but.
It it was it happens fast the first outbreak like in the very
short period of time. The way it changes is like so
even to like even time lapse it.Yeah, it's really wild.

(29:53):
So by the time that I got off the airplane, I was my skin was
on fire and I was like, what thefuck?
And so I went immediately from the airport to the hospital and
and they put me in a separate wing.
They didn't want to. Deal with.
They told me to leave. When I first got there and I
started crying because I needed help and then they knew what.
What it was or thought was just something that wasn't worth.
They were bracing for the monkeypox outbreak, but they didn't

(30:14):
have any patients yet and so. This is in.
This is in the US though. This is in Broward, yeah.
And you said you were the first for patients?
One one of the first one one of the first patients in Broward.
I was going to say the reason I'm I'm like, you couldn't have
been patients here because I would imagine Broward County
because of how many gay men are in Fort Lauderdale that that be
one of the first places it appears.
So if you are early on, I don't see any of the health

(30:36):
professionals knowing what what it would be yet.
Right. Yeah, They, I think that they
basically when I got there, there was because there was a
brief wave. Well, it wasn't a brief wave of
monkey pox earlier before and then there was there.
Might have been, I don't remember the exact time.
I I remember just around this time Purple Party hit in Daddy
land. Daddy Land in July.
That's what it started. It started to spike like May to
July and I got it in August. OK, I got it.

(30:58):
I got it in August, I think August as well.
So maybe I wasn't page in. Zero.
So you were, I think you were onthe second uptick because it was
kind of like this, this, yeah. Yeah, so it was, it was wild.
But then the health department, I was like, listen, I have all
of my travel documents. I know exactly who I was sitting
next to, every flight, every plane, every seat number,
because I had a spreadsheet, right, of where I was keeping

(31:19):
track of my travel stuff. So I will give you all of the
information to trace, to do contact tracing, whatever.
I just want the fucking medicine, right?
Literally the next day they werein my house with the health
department, was at my house withthe medicine.
Oh wow, that's awesome. Yes, the CDC was called me left
and right. Yeah.
Because they were like, OK, whatabout contact?

(31:39):
Who else? Did you have content?
What's this persons name? What?
That's person. And I was like, you know, here
you go. This person, this person.
This person and they'd call backand they would ask it would be a
different representative each time and they would ask the same
questions. I'm like, I already told this to
the other person and I told thisto the other person and I so I
have no idea what they were if they were trying to get more
information then hoping the story would be different each
time. I don't know but.

(32:00):
How, how did it affect you? Like personally though, like
going through that, like that, that amount of attention and
stuff like that. Well, if there's one thing a
bitch loves, it's a camera. So I so like having that much
attention on me. It's like, you know, I, I do
time, I do tend to be like, I don't care if you're talking
good about me, talking bad aboutme, as long as you're talking
about me. But same way.
Yeah. And it was like, but that's,

(32:21):
that's why I was like, you know what?
If, if I can get this many eyes on me, I can do something with
it. And that's why, and that's why I
did it. And people were so insistent on
like, where did you get it from?Who gave it to you and all that
kind of stuff. I'm like.
Does it matter? Does it matter?
And does it matter? Like, who cares?
Yeah, who cares which person youhave to?
Who cares which sexual activity?I was doing it.
I said what I can tell you is what kind of activity could have

(32:43):
you catch it? You know, I don't have to tell
you what I personally was doing,although if you saw the
arrangement of lesions on my face and you know anything about
me, you know how I got it. I mean, you know, I like to do
what I like to do. I love you so much.
You're so candid about it. You're like, I swear.
You're my Fort Lauderdale spiritanimal.
You are. I mean, this is it's it's just
feels it feels like no time has passed.

(33:04):
So it's. That's why I love feeling like
it was all of my arm. I was like, Yep, yeah, it's it's
going to show up where you know the thing you use the most.
And I was like they all around the year.
Yeah. And the thing but it's wild for
me though, is that like everybody's like, I would have
thought that Ground Zero would have been your butt hole.
And it's the only place I didn'tget it.
It was my whole and I remember. Using.

(33:25):
Well, yeah, the irony is you gotit as a top.
I got a top I know. So I was like.
And count your fucking lucky stars.
How many people did we talk to that said it felt like they were
shitting glass and just like they could sit down.
I was like, bless, you know, because they it hurt just to
exist, not even touching anything.
I was just just having it was like, you know, so I can't even

(33:46):
imagine having them like on my anus or inside to rectum, just
like, oh. Yeah, that was terrible.
So, so how do you, how do you balance being vulnerable and
educational when talking about things like monkey pox or
fisting injuries like your friend suffered while also still
keeping your identity as a performer?
How do you how do you manage being sexy but also educational
at the same? Time right, exactly.
So the problem there is people don't view sexy the way I view

(34:11):
sexy and I behave the way that Iview sexy.
So for instance, if people were to go like, oh, he had monkey
box, I just can't look at him the same way anymore or he he
just just too much like political activism.
I can't look at it anymore. And then but for me, I'm like
when I watch somebody else do that, I'm like total love boner,
you know, right away. And so when someone is like,

(34:34):
maybe not into me anymore because I've just do much, I've
done too much stuff outside of sex and I'm no longer maybe an
abstract idea to them. And they're it's, it's like it's
OK, I'm on to to part with that.When you're when you become an
actual person. Yes, I know.
Can you believe that we're human?
What? I don't know if anybody, I'm
sure people have told you this, but I get it all the time when

(34:56):
people come up and talk to me and they're like, you're so
nice, you're so sweet, you're sokind.
And I'm like, I'm just saying, what did y'all think I was going
to be? You know?
And I don't know if that has to do with the preconceived notion
of what they think porn stars are like or if it's because of
their past experience with like people that are big names.
They'll go up to and talk to youand they just get the brush off,

(35:16):
you know, and they then they project that on me.
But I tell every single person that asks like, what are you
known for? And I said that depends on who
you ask. But for me, the most single most
important part of my brand is being kind to people.
That is, I don't want to be known for having this big day.
I want to be known for being asked here.
I want to be known like, oh, he was the nice porn star.

(35:37):
Yeah, that's, that's the most important, like skin tingles.
That's my my absolute like wish for my legacy.
That's what I I sort of feel thesame.
I feel like, but I'm also very polarizing.
I feel like people either love me or hate me like.
That's not on you. That's not on you.
That's that's all. If you, if you're polarizing,
it's like he's just too much. That way you're just being you

(35:58):
and you're not being unkind to anybody about anything.
It's just you're, you're you're discussing or exposing A realm
that's just not for everybody. You know, whether it's going to
whether it's going to be talkingabout drugs or fisting or group
sex or just what have you or HIVor just whatever topic you want
to talk on. If it makes someone else
uncomfortable, it's not because of you.
It's on that. Yeah.

(36:18):
So and I keep, I keep that mindset with me 24/7.
It's not me. It's then.
Yeah, that's, that's it then. And that's that.
I try to remind myself of that sometimes.
I mean, occasionally it'll get to me.
I I got, I went down a Twitter spiral recently with I say
Twitter beef is a way to get banned.
And I was just in a mood the other day and somebody came for
me and said that I was only, andI was never hired by Raw Fuck

(36:41):
Club for my talent OR for my skills, like any of my technical
skills. I was just hand chosen by
Matthias von Fisenberg to be hisassistant.
And I went in on this. I went in and at the end of it,
I just had to sit back and remember this is just one
person, right? One person with.
You go watch the profile and you're like oh why do you have
like 17 follower or something? But of course, I I was angry for

(37:03):
the hot 2nd that I was. I'm going to give the Internet
the show that it wants and so right.
And so I went in on it for a minute, but then I deleted
everything because I was just, it's just so stupid for me to be
to take this stuff personally. I have a thick skin.
Well, that one, that one in particular, I it's easy when
someone go gross, you know, sucha gaping slut for all these
people that's like that took nothing for someone to say

(37:24):
whatever. Yeah.
But when someone says something very specific like that, it's a
little bit more like, Oh yeah. Like, oh, that was, that was,
that was personal, you know, a little bit too much.
Yeah, a little bit. I was like, what a cunt.
Like, yeah, yeah. But it all it you know, I ended
up, I don't know if you, I wroteabout it in as I kind of
dissected and did like a meditation on what it means to

(37:45):
be attacked on the Internet for the book that I'm writing.
So it turned into content on itsown.
So the end of the At the end of the day, I made gold out of a
pile of shit basically because. It was, yeah, King Midas.
I mean, basically, I mean, that's what I do for.
I mean, I don't know, I tried todo the same thing with my
injuries. I had two options.
I could either clam up and be sad and depressed about it, or I

(38:07):
could be, you know, an advocate and so.
Bucky, Buck, same thing. It's like I'm going to do
something. I'm just going to sit here
griping in pain. I could do something with this.
Yeah. It's good for you.
Yeah, good for. You what advice would you give
to somebody who's just beginningtheir fisting journey, whether
that's bottoms that are learningtheir body or tops learning
technique? I know we sort of touched on
this a little bit earlier with novices meeting guys that have
experience, but what advice would you have for guys that are

(38:28):
kind of just starting to get into fisting?
OK, there's two things. First of all, like the whole,
the idea that I mean, I like that we have things like Twitter
and blue sky and whatnot, because people that we view as
like content creators, importantthey are, they are accessible.
They will respond to DMS and comments and stuff like that.
Go find people that do this frequently and seek out, seek

(38:51):
out their education, seek out their knowledge, you know, and
not everybody, not every contentcreators will be perfect.
Some people get a lot of likes because they're, you know,
they're just hot as balls, you know, but then you know, so, but
some of the people are just, youknow, are really, really
respected resources in a given community, whether it's fisting
or piss or, you know, Dom sub play, just whatever.

(39:13):
So don't be, I say don't be afraid to use social media to
contact people who are big namesin a in a given area because
you'll be surprised. More often than not, they'll
respond to you. You know, they're in, you know,
in one fashion or another, whether it's responding comment
or just a, or even just a DM. But I think the reason I like
that is because I find that information exchange, when it's

(39:36):
done between two people organically, there tends to be a
lot more actual education going on because people as they
exchange back and forth. So the newbie will then be like,
oh, that leads to this question and this question.
Whereas if you just go to a website where everything's
already posted for you, it can feel a little cut and dry.
And you know, it doesn't answer any of the what ifs.

(39:57):
And I know what ifs tend to happen kind of organically when
you're having dialogue with somebody.
So I say seek out a resource. And the other one for me is go
slow. And I don't mean go slow when
you're actually 50. I mean trying to get.
Too skilled, too fast. Don't sit there and be like, oh,
I, I got to be able to take thisthing that's, you know, a foot
around or anything. And I want to do it quick.

(40:19):
There is no hurry. Everything will come in time.
So listen to your body. You get 1 butt hole and it's got
to last you the rest of your fucking life.
Amen, I mean. Like you got to treat it.
Treat it kindly. Right.
There is no hurry. There's no hurry to be like, oh,
I got to be the best ever. No, go slow.
If you can't take it like the first time you're trying to take

(40:41):
a hand or whatever, you know, were you with somebody, you
know, all you get is like 3 fingers to the knuckle.
You get 4 to the knuckle and it's like, oh, I can't get past
that. I can't press the hump.
You just try again later, try again later because people will
do it in that session. And it's like they're not
realizing that like in that just15 minutes you've been doing it.
You've been trying to do it 20 minutes that the tissue actually
starting to get inflamed and it's going to get more

(41:02):
difficult, you know, so you've just got to let your body kind
of relax, recover, learn it's lesson.
We're going to try to get a little bit more.
And so many times with the bottoms, so many times it's
letting go and it's not, it's not necessarily a physical
thing. They'll just clinch that
butthole because that's just a abarrier to cross.
It's like if your body will get there, it's like anything else.
Practice makes perfect. I saw this, I saw this real come

(41:24):
across Instagram today and I waslike, hi, it's me, I'm that
person. It's POV when you're coaching
gymnastics perfectionist. The coach goes, remember that if
we don't, if we don't get it right the very first time, get
it right the very first time, that is an opportunity to do it
again and learn. If the guy goes it's trash, I'm

(41:48):
trash. I'm not doing this anymore.
I was like, I'm hurt. That's funny.
It is. And we've really just got to, in
my opinion, get away from this competition culture where you
see guys that are that are just kind of competing with each
other on the Internet to outdo each other with extreme stuff.
And it's, that's how, that's howyou end up with accidents
happening and stuff. Like that.
Well, I think I'm thinking like then what are you doing this

(42:08):
for? Are you doing it for
gratification and pleasure or you doing it to be better than
somebody else? In which case, I'm like, there's
so many other activities you could do that compete with
somebody. Putting your your body's safety
at risk is not one of them. Right, so let's touch a little
bit on the trans related topics that you wanted to talk about.
How do you see fisting intersexing with identity,
gender expression, authenticity,or what are your general?

(42:32):
I just remember you had mentioned to me that you wanted
to talk about some some trans topics.
There's one, OK, so in Mal last year and this year, I had never
been to a fisting party before. And I went to this party called
Abyss during Mali. Got the tickets like $100.
And when you get in, you see whyit was so well curated at just

(42:53):
like Sling set. The vibe was great.
Everything was very clean. You had Faust was like a sponsor
there. And so I had the best time.
And you get to watch people of all varying ability levels
there. There's people a little bit new
people that need smaller hands, people that are fine, you know,
you know, doing bigger hands take double s hops that love
doing chariot me. But last year and this year I

(43:17):
think he was the same guy. I've only seen one trans guy
there and I don't get to see a lot of trans people in the
fisting community. And I don't know if, but this is
a syndrome that I think a lot oftrans people face, whether it's
whether it's FTM or MTF is a lotof times when they go into a
particular subset of gay culturethey want that's they're

(43:41):
wondering, am I welcome here? You know, I feel like obviously
the I feel like trans men would feel more OK there than trans
women because there is such a strong masculine identity behind
gay fisting, you know, as opposed to, you know, going to
somewhere else. But that's not to say I would

(44:01):
love watching, you know, a transgirl, you know, just.
I had an amazing trans girl on this show.
She was as. A yeah, Lina Vesper.
She was amazing. Fisty top or fisty bottom?
Vote Fisty bottom. Fisty bottom.
Yeah, she was so cool. And I learned, I learned a lot
from her. That episode was really, really,
really great. So, but she, well, I think that
she kind of felt there was lack of inclusion basically.

(44:23):
For that's what it is. It's like even if people say
like, Oh yeah, we welcome fence people or chance people are
allowed here. I'm like allowed and included
are two very, very, very different things.
And so let's think that you're allowing them to be there, but
are you inviting them in to become this best?
You say, Hey, come over here or hey, can I try fisting you?
Are you including them? I did see this trans guy managed

(44:46):
to to to take and to give, but he was he was able to the hand
that he was taking was very, very small.
And but it is really cool. I've seen it before because I've
seen a couple of other trans guys do it.
They are just their pigs do downfor it and they will get they'll
get fisted in their frontal holeor the Percy, whatever they
prefer to call it. And I think I think that's hot.

(45:08):
I think a lot of fisters don't know what to do with that.
Like they'll see I I don't I don't have any experience with
that. And again, if they're not
perfect the first time they quit, you know, and I think when
you see that kind of thing happen, or if you see like a
trans person show up and you wonder, just ask, I think they
they would love to be like, here's how it's different.

(45:29):
Here's what I can take. Here's what my thing is that,
you know, and I think even just asking questions is kind of
inclusion because it shows a desire to, you know?
Yeah, I was going to. Say more.
About those boils down to the end, just being included and
then feeling seen in a space where most of the time they're
probably overlooked or not looked at at all.
So it's it's it's, I think that's just the inclusion part

(45:50):
is, is really important. And that's why having Lena on
the show is really great. I was really excited to have her
and to talk about that experience with her and all
that. The last thing.
So where can people find more information about you on the
Internet? Where can people find your
content? So I exist on I am on TikTok.
I wouldn't use it though. Your best bets are going to be
to go on Extra Blue sky where you can find me as the silver

(46:11):
steel. If you want to go on my
Instagram. It's a hybrid of my personal
life because I do a lot of cosplaying.
If you want costuming, check me.Out the one thing I didn't ask
you about that I wanted to is your looks are always fucking
crazy. I know, I know.
Was it they say in one food larger than life, It's just the
right size. Yeah.

(46:32):
And so you'll see a blend of of I don't want to say porn, but
adult stuff and and do cosplaying stuff on my
Instagram, which is the real silver steel.
And then my only fans are just for fans.
My only fans is going to be the silver steel.
And Just For Fans is my classic handle Just for justfor dot fans
silver steel XXX. OK, cool.

(46:53):
But thank you for asking. And this was, God, this was so
much fun. Yeah.
I'll include all the links for your socials and stuff and your
pages in the descriptions for the episode as they appear on
the different sites. Silver Steel, thank you so much
you guys. If you guys are enjoying the
show, we are on Apple, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube, and
iHeartRadio. New episodes go live on
hungerff.com and Just For Fans Slash Hunger FF, as well as on

(47:14):
Silver's Just For Fans wherever he wants to post it as well.
Friday nights at 8:00 PM. Video access is available early
for Spotify subscribers. As soon as I'm done editing them
again one more time. Thank you again, Silver Steel,
you've been amazing. It's really good to see you.
I miss you. I can't wait to see you in
November. Hopefully my surgery will be all
done by then. And.
I'll so I think our dates that we're actually there, we don't,
I don't do the entire pig week. I do it from Wednesday onwards.

(47:37):
So I think we're like December 3rd through the 8th or something
like that. But I'll give you a little heads
up when I'm coming. I can't wait.
Please do. OK, OK, awesome.
Well, thank you so much for yourtime and I will see you guys
again next week. Have a good night.
Bye. Thanks for going deep with me on
Hunger FF Presents roll apps. If you're loving the ride, hit
subscribe, drop a review and share the fisting love.
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(47:59):
and exclusive content. But until next time, keep it
raw, real and always hungry. I'll see you on the next
episode.

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