November 7, 2025 • 39 mins
This week on Brolapse, I sit down with one of my favorite people in the entire industry — performer, lawyer, and author Blue Bailey (@bluebaileysf) — for a raw, unfiltered conversation that goes deep into everything from porn ethics to chemsex recovery. We talk about our first wild shoot together in a sleazy San Francisco hotel, the infamous Viral Loads era, and how Blue turned his lived experience with addiction and HIV into the powerful memoir Blue Movie.
From discussing the realities of consent paperwork and performer rights to finding self-worth after meth and the blurred line between pleasure and pain, this one hits every nerve. Blue opens up about life after porn, his law career, and what it really means to survive the industry — not just physically, but emotionally.
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Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back.
We are here for another episode of Brolapse.
This is episode 60 and I'm superexcited today.
I know I say that every time about every guest, but I am
super excited today about my guest today, a longtime friend,
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Blue Bailey. Stephen Faris, how should I
address you on the show? Oh, Blue Bailey's good.
OK, Blue Bay is good. OK, cool.
Welcome to Prolapse. Very happy to have you.
So I have come up with a series of questions that are kind of
run the gamut of our friendship and kind of your history and the
industry and fisting and and your book which I read while I
was in treatment, which is amazing.
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So one thing I wanted to start with was our very first scene
that we shot together was back when Elizabeth Warren was
running for president and we released it, I think it was for
pre release, the raw footage of people donated at least a few
bucks to the campaign or something like that.
Yeah, that was really fun to see.
So how do you remember that moment of mixing politics and
porn and the responses it generated?
Yeah. I feel like at that point I had
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like put a little bit of effort into like having it just for
fans and an only fans. Yeah, Decided that it was just
like too much effort required for it to be like really
successful. But I still wanted to do like
fun stuff and like create like fun content.
Though I don't know, in the moment it just seemed like a fun
way that we could like monetize the content for like a good
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cause and still have fun doing it.
Yeah, it was super fun. That was I can't remember the I
feel like Civic Center I think. The infamous Civic, Yes, I'm
pretty sure that was there, yeah.
It was the trashiest hotel in inin San Francisco.
It was really it was that not the first time?
Was that the first time we played?
I don't. Know.
I don't know, I just remember itbeing brutal and amazing and
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just there's one part where you're like arm.
Up to here. Yeah, yeah, Crazy, crazy.
It was so good. So what stands out most you just
that is that the moment with thebecause that was that was super
deep in that video. What stands out to me is that
when we were I was on my back and you were ramming into me and
there's that really cool tight shot of you basically just arm
fucking me. So what stands out to you about
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that? Shoot, if you can remember, and
the sleaziness of the setting orthe intensity of the play or?
I would say all of the above. I mean, I love that hotel as a
special place in my hole, but yeah, I don't know.
I remember, like when you were editing it, you like, there was
a moment where I was like, arm fucking you and you like, caught
like the most devious little smile.
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You like screenshotted it and sent me that I think.
Those are those are my favorite moments in in in porn where like
you see, like I talk about this all the time, but the
authenticity in the moment whereyou can see that the people that
are in it are actually having like a good time.
Having a great time. We were like, but like, like, as
brutal as we were being, we're also kind of being like, stupid
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at moments and just having fun with Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but that's what I love about playing with you, is that
I can, we can be a total, I can be a total goofball with you.
I mean, we did the cosplay scenetoo.
Yeah, that was super fun. That was I think one of the
launch scenes for the for the website.
That was at a different sketchy hotel in San Francisco.
Yeah, it was I OK, I, I, I don'tknow.
I don't know if it's a, it's notjust a me thing because it's a
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you thing too, but it's I love sketchy hotel sex.
I love just sleazy hotel sex where it's in a room that you
don't have to worry about trashing.
Really. It's.
Kind of like it murdered in. Yeah, you I've and I have a
tendency to to be just not. I mean I always clean up before
I leave but it's I'm a terrible at hot time when I travel my
house is very clean but my hotelrooms are always fucking tornado
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went through them so. I'm the same way.
Everything's sticky. Everything's.
I would describe you, and I think others probably would too,
as a pretty savage Fister. So how do you define your style
when it comes to fisting and what draws you to pushing people
that? Yeah, well, I'm definitely not
for beginners. I remember someone described me
as like a finisher fist to like come step in at the end.
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Yeah, I definitely like like guys that are super loose.
I like like going hard and and punching and I don't know, just
kind of like playing with like not raping people, but like
playing, playing in like consensually finding like what
that boundary is like by exploring like nonverbal
communication and and seeing howfar so we could really go.
Yeah, that's hot. Yeah.
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And you're good at reading that.I think I, from what I my whole
recalls, you're good at reading people and then not pushing you.
I don't think you ever pushed mepast the limit that I was too
much, but it was just enough that it was.
Enough And then maybe if we hit that like that line, I'll be
like, hey, like can you do five more?
Can we do what about up go to 6/1?
Yeah, exactly. I usually I've, I have to ask
for a break three times before Itruly mean it.
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I have to ask for one of the first time.
It's just 'cause I'm in my head second time, my body's starting
to be like the third time. I'm finally, I'm ready.
But So how did you get into fisting?
What was your early fisting experiences like?
Hey, like I used to be a fistingbottom that was more in my using
gaze and I think I never really trained myself to get over like
the mental hurdle of doing it. Like I think it's happened once
or twice so, but I don't really have the time or the schedule to
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like always be putting toys in my butt.
Yeah, nor do the desire. So like I generally like for
fisting skew towards top. I think for me as like a come
dump bottom. It's really fun to like kind of
like switch the energy and the expectation up and be like, no
girl, I'm a total top today. Oh yeah, come down bottom,
fisting top. It's like you couldn't really
be. It's pretty different so.
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Are you a Drag Race fan? I am that gay that doesn't watch
Drag Race. Oh my God, OK, I I have a friend
and I feel like he definitely gave me this five.
And I feel like a lot of fistingbottoms are like this.
There was a queen called MemphiaWind and before every single
challenge she'd be like, I don'tknow if I could do this.
I don't know. And then she would like fucking
kill it and have all of the skills to do it.
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And to me, I'll always like findbottoms.
That's like, I don't know, I'm alittle sore right now.
Like like you're the fifth guy. Like I don't know, easy.
And like 2 seconds later as always, just like.
Punching them out, the internal internal performance anxiety.
I think we all have like a degree of that.
Yeah, I'm, yeah, it's definitelysomething that I've encountered
to. I mean, it's like I'll tell
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people like I'm done for the night and then like, you know,
you get that itch with the last second.
I think I need one more round. One more round is like I've been
making like music on Spotify andApple Music and like I've been
trying to think of like tropes that hear a lot and fisting to
make to make songs about. And One More Round is one of the
songs I've released because it'severybody always kind of they
think they're done and then theycan go one more round.
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Afterwards, my friend Caleb would always be like, all right,
I can go a little bit, but just gentle punches.
Gentle. What is that?
What does that even mean? Like how is it?
Gentle. Yeah, I call it the warm down.
Fisting down, warm down. Give me a warm down.
So what matters more to you whenit comes to fisting?
Is it the chemistry with your partner or the physical limits
that you're pushing? Both but definitely the
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chemistry with my partner. Like I I very much enjoy going
to fisting like groups and parties and like see how many
holes I could punch and like howmany limits I could like push.
But I'm like lately I'm less reticent to like hook up with
someone one-on-one unless the chemistry is like really there.
Like I either want like 10 holesto punch within a couple hours
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or like I'll pass. Yeah, that's hot.
I'm kind of kind of the opposite, OK.
I've been really leaning more towards one-on-one safely
because I feel like I host here more often than not.
And so I snap into host mode like making sure everybody else
is having a good time. But when I have like one person
here, I can really like kind of focus on I'm the one person.
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But I miss groups every once in a while.
For I wouldn't be that way if I ever got back into bottoming,
especially cuz I would have stage fright about getting like
this in front of other people. But I have seen way too many
horror movies that I don't like to host because I don't like
people knowing where I live. I feel like I'm gonna get
murdered at my house, like I'd rather go somewhere else.
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Yeah, your Scream costume for Halloween the other a couple
years ago was amazing because you're.
My jockstrap and the Drew Barrymore.
Yes, it's so good. You'd have to like you really
have to kind of be in the know for horror movies to have gotten
the feel gotten the reference. But as soon as I saw it, I was
like, Oh my God, that's fucking amazing.
Oh, thank you so good. So you have you actually helped
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me draft my one thing that you and I have a history also of
doing a we did like a webinar. Is that what I would call it?
Yeah, with you, what you mean and Gil, about the legalities of
doing porn in post Sestafasa era.
And you helped me draft my 2257 agreement.
For people that don't know, why are agreements like that such an
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essential part of protecting performers in studios?
Yeah. I mean, when you're running a
business or doing any sort of commercial transaction, it's
important to have a contract anddocument what you're doing.
And then when you're working in the sex industry, especially
making adult content, it's just the risk is even higher that
you're working with people that are consenting to work, that are
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consenting for you to broadcast the film, that you're keeping
all the documentation on your end that people are of age and
all of that. So yeah, it's good.
It's a good standard business contract practice to have
contracts and even more so an adult entertainment.
And I feel today it's now there's so many people that are
making content that it's, they're just filming their
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hookups and they're not thinkingforward about what the consent,
the contractual part of it, because it takes the fun out of
it. A lot of times it takes the
sexiness out of it to have to have somebody fill out paperwork
beforehand and getting them to do it afterwards is often a
nightmare. And so it's, I think it's
really, I was grateful that you asked me to be part of that
because I think that's super important.
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I've been screwed a couple timeson people that I didn't get
consent forms from that then walked it back afterwards and I,
you know, have to remove the videos or whatever.
So I just want to kind of hammerit home how important it is for
people that are creating contenttoday to get that, to get that
consent paperwork done, 2257 paperwork.
It's it's more important than I think people realize.
Yeah, you bring up a great pointabout kind of like revoking
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consent after the fact, or like in a sense you could always,
during sex, revoke consent and be like, yeah, I was initially
into this, but I'm not anymore. And that kind of crosses over
into creating content. Or it's like, maybe at first you
were OK with content being filmed and distributed, but
you're not in the future. So it's very important to kind
of get that written consent thatprotects, protect you right up
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front. But also, like, even if you have
that consent, if someone came forward, like came up to you and
was like, hey, I'm not really comfortable with this out there
anymore. Yeah, I always take it down.
Yeah, I was just like it came and you would take that down.
Yeah, I had one instance where aguy, it was my most pirated
video ever and I'm gay torrents and gay torrents.
Are you That video is on every tube site.
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And I'm, I told him, I'm like, listen, I can take it down for
you off of my website, but once I take it down off my website,
I'm not going to lift a finger to help you get it.
The thousands of copies that arefloating on the Internet
removed. And that was an instance where
even though I had a consent formor consent agreement with him, I
took it down. But I told him, once you put
something on the Internet, it's kind of there forever.
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And, and, and that's not, I think necessarily something that
everybody who's making content today is really thinking about.
They're just like, oh, it's a quick, it's a quick paycheck.
It's a quick, quick, quick, you know, supplemental income,
whatever. But those videos, they exist
online forever, no matter how many, you know, you know,
privacy or what am I? What's the word I'm looking for?
No matter how much Dominic Ford does to prevent people from
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ripping the videos from his website, there's always going to
be somebody who's ahead of the curve that's going to be ripping
them down and posting them on ontheir own sites.
Yeah. The consent, I think consent is
super important. Like I said, I mean, just to get
it ahead of time. But then I'm also also kind of a
softie when it comes to people coming to me and being like, can
you take it down? I'm like, sure.
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So as a lawyer, this is something you're well known as
kind of, I feel when it comes tothe adult industry, like you're
the, you're the, you're a success story outside of the
porn industry doing getting yourlaw degree, which I, you know, I
read about the whole, you know, I've read in your book the
whole, your whole journey, basically.
So you've spoken on channels, like I said, with me and about
new laws and regulations. What's the biggest legal
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challenge you think that is facing the adult content
creators right now and how prepared?
How prepared is the industry to handle it?
Yeah, I mean this administrationI would say is the biggest
challenge like and honestly I don't know how to prepare.
Like who honestly knows what's going to go happen?
Like changes everyday. Yeah, it changes every day.
So I would say I don't know, maybe prepare for the worst.
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Like I think the documentation is pretty important.
Like if there's someone ever to be investigated, you want to be
able to show that you have the proper consents that everyone
was of age and to be able to protect yourself.
But maybe even from like a non legal standpoint, like I know
that doing sex work and adult content violates a lot of of
like different banking terms of service potentially.
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And like I've heard of people getting their bank accounts shut
down or their Venmo shut down orsexual contact.
So I don't know, just like finding ways to protect yourself
and like finding different, I don't know, it's a mess.
Yeah, it's a mess. It's crazy.
I mean, I'm in the process. The bank that I use, I mean,
charges me an insane amount of fees to just run an adult
content website because they know they can.
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Yeah, they, they lump me in withthe online gambling and online
cannabis sales and all kinds of other high risk merchant
categories. But they charge just an insane
amount of fees because I can, just because they can.
I didn't realize people were getting their Venmos and stuff
shut down it. That's like, that's like news to
me hearing about, but I guess itmakes sense.
If you're caught doing somethinglike on PayPal, they they shut
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your PayPal down right away too.Yeah, I would say also like with
like border enforcement, like I feel that people like entering
and leaving the country like it's possible for people to like
run searches and if you're entering this country and you
have like a red men add up or a desktop fan, it could create
complications. So, but I'm not just like extra
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thought into that. Yeah, I have friends that came
in from the UK that were stopped.
We had plans to film here and they got turned away at the
border and sent back home because they had written in ads.
And so it's it's, it's pretty well.
I know that I was just when I was coming back in from Paris
last two weeks ago, I got stopped at the border at customs
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and they like unstacked my bag. I got red flagged for something
and they pulled out all my latexand like all my camera gear and
they're like, what do you do fora living?
I'm like born their, their, their demeanor instantly changed
and it was very awkward for them.
But yeah, that I, I got put through the ringer just a couple
weeks ago just getting my every piece of every piece of luggage.
They asked, oh, they pulled out.This is crazy.
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They pulled out my part. My fucking Metamucil.
Yeah, Metamucil in a bag. And they're like, what's this?
And I'm like, it's Metamucil. And they're like, you better
hope it's not heroin. I'm like, I'm like, OK, it's not
heroin. If you mix it with water, it's
going to turn orange. And they're like, well, you
better hope it doesn't turn bluebecause if we test it and it
turns blue, it's going to you'regetting arrested.
I'm like, man, OK, this is this is really intense.
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It's pretty wild. What happens when you travel
with J lub? I know I had J Lub with me too
in my backpack, but they they were really concerned about the
Metamucil. Interesting.
So do you think that being a lawyer and a performer gives you
a different perspective on wherethe industry is headed?
Maybe like a couple years ago when I had a practice that
focused more on the community, but my day-to-day is more in
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corporate entertainment lately. So I'm not as in tuned as I was
about the kind of most moderate issues.
How are you? How are you liking the corporate
corporate entertainment? Oh, I like it a lot.
I feel like I I have a a stable job.
I'm doing things that I like doing and working on like
contracts and subject matter that I've always wanted to work
on. And then it does give me the
opportunity like my day job is like corporate entertainment
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work. And then as like a hobby or as
like a like volunteering. I could like focus on other
things that are more maybe impactful towards our our
community. That's cool.
That's what I've always loved about you, is you're always
doing community work on top of the entertainment side of it.
I like to stay busy, service keeps a lot of trouble.
Yeah, I'd say OK, so we'll shiftgears a little bit.
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Speaking of getting in trouble, you're famous for your role in
Viral Loads for Treasure Island,which came out.
What year did that come out? That was, I think 2014, 2014.
OK, so a film that's been basically gotten its own
cultural legacy. What do you remember shooting
about that and how it impacted you?
Shooting was so much fun. We shot at the Park 55 hotel in
San Francisco, and that was before you had to like, have a
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key card to go up. OK, as they've done with every
sleazy hotel, mostly now. Yeah, I think what was most fun
is like I got there early to like, sign my paperwork, and
then they wanted me meeting the tops to be a surprise.
So they told me to go back down in the lobby and just like, wait
for people. So I'm like sitting in the lobby
and like seeing all these faggots come in and a lot of
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them are San Francisco local, soI know who they are.
And they like waved me like, hey, what are you doing there?
I'm like, I don't know, what areyou doing here?
They're all getting their way up.
So a little bit of the magic waslike, I don't know, not really.
It was fun, but like I knew halfof the people there already.
So it wasn't like a bunch of surprise tops, but the impact it
had, I guess it wasn't, it wasn't fully diverged to me the
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exact narrative that they would create.
Like they asked if I would be comfortable about being open
about my status and they asked if I would be comfortable about
having them pour the jar of pawscome up my butt, which I don't
know where they got that come from.
Who knows what that was, and I was fine with it, but I didn't
necessarily know that the narrative would be like a
conversion party type scene. And then a lot of the community
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blow black was that it was promoting like unsafe sex
practices and things like that. Because I was like a pre.
Was it it? Was right.
It was I think like San Francisco was testing prep, like
prep was out, but I don't think it was as widespread or
knowledge or or knowledgeable. No, if it was 2014, because I
started prep in like 2012. So prep was at least like
available I think at that point.But I think it was still like a
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party drug to some people and like frown on.
So yeah, I got a lot of pushbackwith that.
But it did give me the opportunity to kind of have my
own platform to be like, actually, I'm HIV positive.
I'm undetectable. Like half the people like are on
Prep or aware of E equals U. So like no one's getting HIV on
the set. It's just a fantasy, like, and
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in fact, jerking off to a fantasy is a great form of harm
reduction from actually going out and participating in rescue
behavior. So it gave me an opportunity to
like highlight prep and prep andyou equals you.
And I think I remember hearing you talk about that.
I don't know if it was in your episode on Unbound Editions
podcasts about jerking off aboutif you have a fantasy that's
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dangerous, it's it's healthier to jerk off about it than it is
to actually go participate in it.
But it's still OK to jerk off about something like that.
Yeah, I have like mixed viewpoints on that.
A little bit like like the HIV like fantasy porn aside, I know
there's people that like jerk off to like using porn and
that's a formal porn production because you're jerking off of
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something and you're not actually like going out and
doing it, but at the same time, like you are still creating a
positive association with it. So even though it doesn't have
like an immediate harmful impact, I feel like if you are
trying to like not use drugs or participate in the behavior,
constantly jerking off and giving yourself positive
reinforcement to it doesn't necessarily serve you.
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Yeah, in the long run, right. Yeah, it's like a short term
fix, but maybe not necessarily along term resolution to the.
To the Yeah, so. I read a lot about.
I mean, I still, I mean like I'ma big fan.
So I actually, like I said, for those of you guys who are just
listening, I just held up a copyof Blue Movies.
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I'm a huge fan. I read it in the day and 1/2
when I was in rehab, which is probably, it's probably not
appropriate rehab reading, but Imean it definitely I took that
with me. I took Alex's book with me as
well when I went to treatment last time.
And so it was. I related to you so much because
I thought that I had a very traumatic story.
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And and then I read your story and I was like, damn, you've
been through it. And so it's an unflinching
account of your time in porn andyour struggle with chems,
especially meth. So what made you decide to put
that story on paper? Yeah, So that originally the
book wasn't supposed to be like a memoir.
It was supposed to be like a collection of academic essays
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about different topics in queer life, like being HIV positive,
working in porn, chem, sex. And I wrote like a handful of
essays, but a lot of them were told to like my lived
experiences. So through the editing process,
it kind of morphed into what thebook is today.
But for me, like the advice thatlike Patrick and Unbound gave
was like in the writing process,like when you're writing your
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draft, put everything on paper, just get everything out.
And then you could always go back and edit or be like, hey,
it was good to get this on paper, but this doesn't need to
be in the book. And when I wrote that draft was
pretty like, I've been, I just got four years sober and it was
right solid in year one that I was writing.
So to me, it was very therapeutic to kind of like go
back and relive a lot of experiences I had and get them
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out on paper to kind of examine what I was thinking and feeling
in those moments. I mean, I feel like I'm always
doing, I'm always like travelingor doing something.
So I live a very busy life. So it's very easy just to live
an experience and then immediately forget about it.
So it was, it was interesting togo back and like re examine
those moments. Did you write about stuff like
maybe like, as I don't know if your experience has been similar
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to mine, I'm kind of writing about stuff as it's happening.
Some, some, some experiences like the embolism I'm in the
process of writing about right now.
I know I'm not far enough away from it to really examine it,
but it's like getting my thoughts about it on paper.
I don't know if you were like really reflective, like
reflecting back. I mean, what you were because a
lot of it was childhood stuff, but a lot of it was like, you
know, years past. But I don't know if you're if
you'd written about things kind of as they were happening as
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well or if it was mostly just kind of reflective look back
that stuff. Yeah, it was mostly reflective
and looking back, I kind of justword vomiting it all onto paper.
Yeah, yeah, it's similar to whatI've basically written a series
of essays myself. And so it's similar to what cuz
I didn't really have, I didn't write what I've been working on
didn't start as a, as a project.It started as therapy sessions
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or writing exercises with my therapist.
And then I just realized, oh wow, I have a bunch of shit
that's thematically similar and in different clumps basically.
And so there was a through line through everything I was
writing. It's just really, it's
interesting to hear about how your process, what your process
was. It turned into something really,
really, really cool and something I related to a lot big
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time. So thank you for writing it.
Thank you. Yeah, I, I, I very much relate
to the process that you, like you just described.
And I didn't necessarily like inmy therapy, like do you like
writing? But like within 12 step
recovery, like some of the assignments you get are writing
based and like looking back on it now, like I didn't intend to
like do some of the 12 step workthrough this book, but I was
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like kind of doing it just the process of like going through
and putting it out there. So I definitely relate to that
like therapeutic aspect of like writing everything else.
One thing I really loved about Blue Movie was when you equated,
but each individual chem looked like as a person like that I
thought was really like I had tosit back and go like, what does
ketamine look like to me? Like what is what is what does
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meth look like to me as a person?
Like is it a toxic X? Is it an abusive X?
Is it an abusive boyfriend? Is it a you know, and then like
what does ketamine physically look like to me?
Like I thought that was that wasa really interesting exercise I
did by myself in treatment because I I was such a bitch at
my last treatment center. I like basically went for detox
only and I was, I'm just going to like go here, break the
cycle, whatever. And so I did my own little kind
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of treatment by myself while I was there.
And part of it was going throughand kind of idealizing
personifying each chem and what it looked like to me.
And it was a helpful way for me to look at my relationship with
these drugs too. And so I thought that was really
interesting. I never heard anybody do that
before or or heard that recommended before before I read
Blue Movie. That was recommended to me and
therapy and I know like a lot oflike 12 step and abstinence
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programs kind of teaches you to look at drugs like all the same
and equal. But like through fair therapy
and like harm reduction, I do like the idea of analyzing each
drug on its own and like what isit like as a person to you?
What is the risk? Like for me for alcohol?
Like maybe maybe 7 out of 10 times I could drink alcohol and
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there won't be any consequences.But like 3 out of 10 times, like
maybe I'll get into an argument,maybe I'll get like physically
aggressive or maybe like I'll decide to go do math and it's
like a 30% chance, really a chance that I'm willing to take
at this time of my life, life. That's something really wrong.
And it's not versus like something like cannabis, like
they'll be 10 out of 10 times that.
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Like I could do cannabis and it's not going to lead to any
violent behavior or any death behavior.
But it just doesn't really work for me where I'm at right now.
Like I wouldn't be harmful to me, but I could do cannabis and
I would just sit at home and eatsnacks all day and not be
productive. Yeah, no, you've got a lot going
for you right now. So yeah, it's amazing.
I really just like that that that helped me out a lot to kind
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of differentiate between all drugs are bad and maybe not
necessarily all drugs are not all drugs are not created
equally. So it's for each individual
person. So was it?
What was the hardest part about writing a book for you?
Probably like sticking to a schedule and actually like
forcing myself to sit down and write because I would like
wouldn't really know where to start or like what to talk
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about. I had a friend Turbo, who was
also writing a book or in an academic setting.
So we ended up having like a study session every like
Saturday. We would get together for like 2
or three hours and even if it was just like writing what was
in your head, we would both, it would force us to like just both
be accountable and like get things on paper.
And then we could always like golike some days like nothing was
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usable or it was, it was like garbage.
But then just having that repetition and accountability
definitely helped. It's a cool part of the process.
You did it with somebody else. You had somebody else kind of as
you're like a copilot along the way.
Yeah, definitely. And we were writing about two
different things. But we could like, he was
writing still about queer stuff.So we can, like, check in and
see what the other person thought about things.
And then it was more about accountability over there.
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Yeah, I have a friend of mine that we were thinking about
doing editing sessions together and recording them for the show,
like design the scenes stuff as I was been, as I've been writing
because I'm literally always turning everything into content.
Everything that's great. It's crazy.
So I don't know how to not make content out of my life.
So we were talking about doing some of the behind the scenes.
I have one friend of mine that'ssort of doing the same thing.
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I just send him everything I write and then he gives me
feedback on like if it's unrelentingly bleak or
something, maybe make it a little happier.
So we did talk a little bit about how meth was an impact in
your life, but how did it shape your experiences in porn and
your personal life? This is something that I deal
with on a day-to-day basis as somebody who struggles with
addiction, highs and lows and and periods of harm reduction,
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periods of sobriety, periods of using.
What's your perspective on chem sex, culture now, where you're
at your life today? Yeah, so I've been sober for
four years, pretty much from everything except poppers.
Poppers have always been part ofmy program.
I've never seen them as harmful.It's funny, Like I'll get
messages from fans that are like, Oh my God, like how high
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were you in that video? And I get those too.
And I was high MF for one video that I shot, it was for like
Manhunt and it was awful. Like it was so in my head I
couldn't perform. Like I wasn't the type of
crackhead that could like go do math and participate in the
world. Like my peoples immediately were
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saucers. I was like constantly sweaty.
So like it was it was not something that made me feel sexy
or confident. But for some reason, like the
Treasure Island aesthetic and the aesthetic of all the, like,
bareback videos of the time, theway they shot things had a
really cracky vibe to it. So people just assume, yeah,
people just assume I at most on set would do like a shot of like
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Jack or like, smoke some pot. But predominantly, I like to
have a clear head because I would feel more confident.
But I definitely participated indrugs like off camera all the
time. I think for me, I don't know,
like I, I would often relapse and use out of like feeling
confident and sexy and I would have my guard down and go like,
oh, let's just get into some really piggy sacks.
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Like I'm sure there were plenty of times I was like depressed
and I was like, all right, this would make me happy.
But like it was predominantly sex driven and feeling sexy.
And I would get into like some pretty like twisted like
scenarios and like BDSM scenes. And it was really hot for me to
just completely give up control to someone and let them do
whatever, which put me in reallyharmful situations and really
dangerous, dangerous situations.So I think when I got sober,
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like kind of took BDSM off the plate for a while and even like
like, like intimacy, like I had a partner, so of course was
intimate with him, but like I wouldn't really want to hook up
with friends because I would have like like stage performance
issues and I would think I wouldjust constantly spin out like
what they would think about me. So like, I kind of like to get
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my my grounding would like hook up at the park, I would hook up
at the gym. I love going to like horse
market because I could like go be a big slut and I wouldn't
have to talk to anyone. I just had my hood on and zone.
And I think like the more that Ibuilt like my social like like
abilities back, like the more I was comfortable, like hooking up
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with friends and then like eventually like reintegrating
BDSM with people that I felt more connected with.
But it definitely took a lot of time and practice and a lot of
trial and error figuring out what worked.
It's interesting. I mean, you and I are similar in
that it did make me it does makeme feel awkward.
Like when I'm on it doesn't I don't it's I hear people that
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are like, Oh, I do meth and thenI feel so confident and I feel
so sexy and I'm just like, how was the opposite?
Sober me. When I'm sober, I feel like I
could run the world and then when I'm high, I'm kind of
reclusive and I don't I'm in my head.
I think too much. I'm like ring if the other
person is scared by how high I am or Oh my God, like that
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thought goes through my head allthe time.
I'm like, fuck, are they freaking out that I'm that I'm
my heart's beating too fast and now they're not that and then
they're they're turned off by mymy heart.
Whatever. My brain doesn't work the same
way. That inhibits me more than
anything. So it's interesting to hear you
say that. And and and the same thing with
people asking about how high I am in scenes.
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I'm I'm sober or sober adjacent in almost like 99% of what I've
released. I'm sober adjacent at least,
maybe like a little buzzed, but like nothing, nothing that like
my family would be able to tell or anything.
When they ask me, I feel I'm kind of like crushing their
fantasy a little bit. I was totally sober.
We were all totally sober. It's a good scene because we
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were also always sober. So.
But how many guys fetishize that?
It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.
So did writing the book change your relationship to your
history with fisting porn or thelegal work you do today?
I don't think so. I mean in All in all reality,
like all of my stuff like you said exists on the Internet,
there's nobody to delete it. Like I could turn my off, but
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the contents already out there. So to some extent like I would
have to think me applying for jobs, someone's googled me and
had to be like. Because it brought a lot of
stuff out into the light. It brought it like it was.
It's it's it's very good like meare exposing parts of yourself
that maybe were private before. So I don't know if that's
changed your dynamic with the way you think about some of
these things that you wrote about.
I probably, if I would write it today, like a lot of people
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every shot that they, they relate with my story.
And I've had similar experiencesand like more of the like, kind
of like darker myth fueled fantasies.
So in a way, I appreciate that me being open about my
experience has allowed other people to be open about theirs.
If I rewrote the book today, I don't know if I needed to be as
explicit about certain things. Like it was very like
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therapeutic for me to get it outon paper.
But like, as you mentioned, likesomeone reading it in a rehab
facility, like, yeah, I could see how that might not have been
the right vibe at the right at that right moment.
So I'm. As much of A freak as you are.
So it's like, it was definitely like, hey, we got me through
rehab. But I mean, other people, I
imagine it would probably be sending them off the edge at the
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end, but it was. Yeah.
So maybe I would like have focused less on that or at least
had it very count, like more counterbalanced with like, yes,
this was the hot sex that happened.
And then here's like the five days of the paranoia and all the
negative consequences that you don't kick off too Sure.
But in terms of like fisting, no, not so much.
Like I I eventually want to get back into it as a bottom.
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I still love to fist. I go through periods where I'm
into it more, in periods where Icould live without it and just
be just as fine. Yeah, cool.
So you've also published with Unbounded, you published with
Unbound Edition. Was it different to write in a
literary context compared to writing?
I'm imagining so but like the differences between writing for
yourself and writing for like legal documents or sharing your
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personal experience, like how, how different is that for you?
Yeah. So I think I've always been open
about sharing my personal experience.
Like when viral loads came out, I had the opportunity to like do
interviews and share my perspective about it.
And I had like a couple opportunities to write pieces
about like modern safe for sex practices that talk about like
my experience with being at to be positive and U equals UI
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would say like writing from an academic perspective.
Like I appreciate that there's alot of bias in our industry.
So we do need people to write like, like serious pieces about
our community and topics that wedeal with.
It's a lot less fun to write those.
It's very much like building a puzzle.
Like you have your premise, you have your arguments, you have
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your conclusion. So like writing, when we made
the decision to switch it from like essays to more like a
memoir style, that was really exciting.
And I remember we were talking alot about like, what voice do
you want? Because like academic is like
very serious. But like when you're writing a
novel, like you could do like whatever perspective.
And my favorite kind of authors are like, Chuck Alnwick and Bret
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Easton Ellis that are just like,very kind of matter of fact and
like, kind of just, like, dump abunch of, like, crazy details on
you. Yeah, like, like, super detailed
and specific. So I think once I had, like, the
bulk of what I wanted to say, wewere like, all right, like,
what's the tone of how you want to say it?
And I was like, oh, I really admire Brady.
Snell was like, I want to channel that energy became like
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really fun and a lot more creative than just like,
building blocks of arguments. Yeah, that's amazing.
I'm so interested in your process because I'm, I'm in the
thick of mine right now. So it's, it's interesting to
hear about how you came to, how it came to be.
This is what I was most kind of interested in hearing about just
because I admire you so much forwhat you were willing to put on
paper and what you were willing to talk about and stuff.
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I think it's really important because I feel like there's not
enough people talking about the,the experiences that are, even
though our experiences are unique, kind of like sex worker,
you know, drug, drug addiction, that type of thing is a unique
experience. But there's people from all
walks of life that can, can, canpull something from what you've
heard. And so I think it's, it was
really important and it was important to me.
So, so looking ahead, how do youwant people to remember you as
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the lawyer, the porn performer, the Fister or the writer who
bared it all in blue movie? Like what's the most important
thing to you? I think this goes back to like
kind of hearing people that resonate like I like, I like the
fact that me being kind of like open and visible about my
experience has allowed other people able to feel more
comfortable. Whether that's just like being
more of a slut or being more of a cum dump or just like feeling
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less alone about like having having a contentious
relationship with like substances and things like that.
So yeah, I guess that's what's important to me, what I would
like to shut out. Yeah, that's great.
I mean like leaving people feeling like they're not so
alone in their, in their thoughts or their, their, their
feelings or whatever, Like there's somebody else that's
just like them out there I thinkis really important.
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Yeah. Like like you mentioned, we, you
and I have a lot of like overlapping experiences, but
then you have your experiences that are unique that need to
like be ready to get out there. So where do you find more
information about you on the Internet?
I know it's there's a lot of info about both of us online,
but I mean where specifically can people support you in your
work and stuff like that? Like your just for friends page
or Twitter or anything like thatthat you want to?
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So yeah, I'm on. I mostly just use Instagram.
I tried to like Blue Sky and I try not to use Twitter anymore
but everything is at Blue BaileySF.
I think I still have an only fans up but I don't post content
there so like I wouldn't advise you spending your money on it.
Also you could probably go on pornhub and just Google and
stream things for free. That's one thing that sucks
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about our industry and somethingthat you actually have overcome
is that I don't get any royalties or residuals from
people watching my videos, so I don't care if people stream them
for free. You have your own studio and
your own platform. So like you have found a way for
you to keep like 100% or as muchof 100% of the proceeds of each
sale as possible. Because I'm a psycho control
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freak. Dude.
Are you trademarked copy writtenand that's.
The way to go I admire like all the effort and time that you
spend and to really like building your brand and
protecting it and creating something.
Thanks, That's been of immense value to you.
Thanks, I bought a house with mybutt holes so yeah that's
everything you see around me. Was purchased with my asshole so
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I. I love it, I love it.
Thank you so much for doing thiswith me.
I really appreciate your time. I know that we put this off a
couple times because I had a couple of emergencies this week
and shit, shit went down. So I just really appreciate you
being flexible with me and taking the time to do this with
me. You're amazing as always.
It's really good to see you reconnect you guys.
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Blue Bailey, thank you so much. I appreciate you so much and I'm
really happy to see you and see you doing so well.
Yeah, you as well. I hope to meet in person to get
some pups in. Yeah, are you coming for Pig
Week? No, I'm not able to make that
sadly, so maybe not here, OK. Well, yeah, I'm hopefully going
to be doing it. I just got travel benefits
again, so I'll be able to travela lot more often.
So hopefully I'll maybe we'll cross paths at some point and at
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some event during the during thenext year or so.
I would very much like that. All right, me too.
Yeah, my butthole would too. All right, I'll see you later.
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I'll see you on the next episode.
Welcome to Brolapse, the fistingpodcast that goes deep explore
my life, views and raw, unfiltered conversations with
the creators that are redefiningkink connection in the fisting
community. Hey guys, welcome back.
We are here for another episode of Brolapse.
This is episode 60 and I'm superexcited today.
I know I say that every time about every guest, but I am
super excited today about my guest today, a longtime friend,
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Blue Bailey. Stephen Faris, how should I
address you on the show? Oh, Blue Bailey's good.
OK, Blue Bay is good. OK, cool.
Welcome to Prolapse. Very happy to have you.
So I have come up with a series of questions that are kind of
run the gamut of our friendship and kind of your history and the
industry and fisting and and your book which I read while I
was in treatment, which is amazing.
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So one thing I wanted to start with was our very first scene
that we shot together was back when Elizabeth Warren was
running for president and we released it, I think it was for
pre release, the raw footage of people donated at least a few
bucks to the campaign or something like that.
Yeah, that was really fun to see.
So how do you remember that moment of mixing politics and
porn and the responses it generated?
Yeah. I feel like at that point I had
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like put a little bit of effort into like having it just for
fans and an only fans. Yeah, Decided that it was just
like too much effort required for it to be like really
successful. But I still wanted to do like
fun stuff and like create like fun content.
Though I don't know, in the moment it just seemed like a fun
way that we could like monetize the content for like a good
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cause and still have fun doing it.
Yeah, it was super fun. That was I can't remember the I
feel like Civic Center I think. The infamous Civic, Yes, I'm
pretty sure that was there, yeah.
It was the trashiest hotel in inin San Francisco.
It was really it was that not the first time?
Was that the first time we played?
I don't. Know.
I don't know, I just remember itbeing brutal and amazing and
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just there's one part where you're like arm.
Up to here. Yeah, yeah, Crazy, crazy.
It was so good. So what stands out most you just
that is that the moment with thebecause that was that was super
deep in that video. What stands out to me is that
when we were I was on my back and you were ramming into me and
there's that really cool tight shot of you basically just arm
fucking me. So what stands out to you about
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that? Shoot, if you can remember, and
the sleaziness of the setting orthe intensity of the play or?
I would say all of the above. I mean, I love that hotel as a
special place in my hole, but yeah, I don't know.
I remember, like when you were editing it, you like, there was
a moment where I was like, arm fucking you and you like, caught
like the most devious little smile.
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You like screenshotted it and sent me that I think.
Those are those are my favorite moments in in in porn where like
you see, like I talk about this all the time, but the
authenticity in the moment whereyou can see that the people that
are in it are actually having like a good time.
Having a great time. We were like, but like, like, as
brutal as we were being, we're also kind of being like, stupid
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at moments and just having fun with Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but that's what I love about playing with you, is that
I can, we can be a total, I can be a total goofball with you.
I mean, we did the cosplay scenetoo.
Yeah, that was super fun. That was I think one of the
launch scenes for the for the website.
That was at a different sketchy hotel in San Francisco.
Yeah, it was I OK, I, I, I don'tknow.
I don't know if it's a, it's notjust a me thing because it's a
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you thing too, but it's I love sketchy hotel sex.
I love just sleazy hotel sex where it's in a room that you
don't have to worry about trashing.
Really. It's.
Kind of like it murdered in. Yeah, you I've and I have a
tendency to to be just not. I mean I always clean up before
I leave but it's I'm a terrible at hot time when I travel my
house is very clean but my hotelrooms are always fucking tornado
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went through them so. I'm the same way.
Everything's sticky. Everything's.
I would describe you, and I think others probably would too,
as a pretty savage Fister. So how do you define your style
when it comes to fisting and what draws you to pushing people
that? Yeah, well, I'm definitely not
for beginners. I remember someone described me
as like a finisher fist to like come step in at the end.
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Yeah, I definitely like like guys that are super loose.
I like like going hard and and punching and I don't know, just
kind of like playing with like not raping people, but like
playing, playing in like consensually finding like what
that boundary is like by exploring like nonverbal
communication and and seeing howfar so we could really go.
Yeah, that's hot. Yeah.
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And you're good at reading that.I think I, from what I my whole
recalls, you're good at reading people and then not pushing you.
I don't think you ever pushed mepast the limit that I was too
much, but it was just enough that it was.
Enough And then maybe if we hit that like that line, I'll be
like, hey, like can you do five more?
Can we do what about up go to 6/1?
Yeah, exactly. I usually I've, I have to ask
for a break three times before Itruly mean it.
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I have to ask for one of the first time.
It's just 'cause I'm in my head second time, my body's starting
to be like the third time. I'm finally, I'm ready.
But So how did you get into fisting?
What was your early fisting experiences like?
Hey, like I used to be a fistingbottom that was more in my using
gaze and I think I never really trained myself to get over like
the mental hurdle of doing it. Like I think it's happened once
or twice so, but I don't really have the time or the schedule to
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like always be putting toys in my butt.
Yeah, nor do the desire. So like I generally like for
fisting skew towards top. I think for me as like a come
dump bottom. It's really fun to like kind of
like switch the energy and the expectation up and be like, no
girl, I'm a total top today. Oh yeah, come down bottom,
fisting top. It's like you couldn't really
be. It's pretty different so.
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Are you a Drag Race fan? I am that gay that doesn't watch
Drag Race. Oh my God, OK, I I have a friend
and I feel like he definitely gave me this five.
And I feel like a lot of fistingbottoms are like this.
There was a queen called MemphiaWind and before every single
challenge she'd be like, I don'tknow if I could do this.
I don't know. And then she would like fucking
kill it and have all of the skills to do it.
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And to me, I'll always like findbottoms.
That's like, I don't know, I'm alittle sore right now.
Like like you're the fifth guy. Like I don't know, easy.
And like 2 seconds later as always, just like.
Punching them out, the internal internal performance anxiety.
I think we all have like a degree of that.
Yeah, I'm, yeah, it's definitelysomething that I've encountered
to. I mean, it's like I'll tell
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people like I'm done for the night and then like, you know,
you get that itch with the last second.
I think I need one more round. One more round is like I've been
making like music on Spotify andApple Music and like I've been
trying to think of like tropes that hear a lot and fisting to
make to make songs about. And One More Round is one of the
songs I've released because it'severybody always kind of they
think they're done and then theycan go one more round.
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Afterwards, my friend Caleb would always be like, all right,
I can go a little bit, but just gentle punches.
Gentle. What is that?
What does that even mean? Like how is it?
Gentle. Yeah, I call it the warm down.
Fisting down, warm down. Give me a warm down.
So what matters more to you whenit comes to fisting?
Is it the chemistry with your partner or the physical limits
that you're pushing? Both but definitely the
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chemistry with my partner. Like I I very much enjoy going
to fisting like groups and parties and like see how many
holes I could punch and like howmany limits I could like push.
But I'm like lately I'm less reticent to like hook up with
someone one-on-one unless the chemistry is like really there.
Like I either want like 10 holesto punch within a couple hours
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or like I'll pass. Yeah, that's hot.
I'm kind of kind of the opposite, OK.
I've been really leaning more towards one-on-one safely
because I feel like I host here more often than not.
And so I snap into host mode like making sure everybody else
is having a good time. But when I have like one person
here, I can really like kind of focus on I'm the one person.
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But I miss groups every once in a while.
For I wouldn't be that way if I ever got back into bottoming,
especially cuz I would have stage fright about getting like
this in front of other people. But I have seen way too many
horror movies that I don't like to host because I don't like
people knowing where I live. I feel like I'm gonna get
murdered at my house, like I'd rather go somewhere else.
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Yeah, your Scream costume for Halloween the other a couple
years ago was amazing because you're.
My jockstrap and the Drew Barrymore.
Yes, it's so good. You'd have to like you really
have to kind of be in the know for horror movies to have gotten
the feel gotten the reference. But as soon as I saw it, I was
like, Oh my God, that's fucking amazing.
Oh, thank you so good. So you have you actually helped
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me draft my one thing that you and I have a history also of
doing a we did like a webinar. Is that what I would call it?
Yeah, with you, what you mean and Gil, about the legalities of
doing porn in post Sestafasa era.
And you helped me draft my 2257 agreement.
For people that don't know, why are agreements like that such an
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essential part of protecting performers in studios?
Yeah. I mean, when you're running a
business or doing any sort of commercial transaction, it's
important to have a contract anddocument what you're doing.
And then when you're working in the sex industry, especially
making adult content, it's just the risk is even higher that
you're working with people that are consenting to work, that are
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consenting for you to broadcast the film, that you're keeping
all the documentation on your end that people are of age and
all of that. So yeah, it's good.
It's a good standard business contract practice to have
contracts and even more so an adult entertainment.
And I feel today it's now there's so many people that are
making content that it's, they're just filming their
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hookups and they're not thinkingforward about what the consent,
the contractual part of it, because it takes the fun out of
it. A lot of times it takes the
sexiness out of it to have to have somebody fill out paperwork
beforehand and getting them to do it afterwards is often a
nightmare. And so it's, I think it's
really, I was grateful that you asked me to be part of that
because I think that's super important.
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I've been screwed a couple timeson people that I didn't get
consent forms from that then walked it back afterwards and I,
you know, have to remove the videos or whatever.
So I just want to kind of hammerit home how important it is for
people that are creating contenttoday to get that, to get that
consent paperwork done, 2257 paperwork.
It's it's more important than I think people realize.
Yeah, you bring up a great pointabout kind of like revoking
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consent after the fact, or like in a sense you could always,
during sex, revoke consent and be like, yeah, I was initially
into this, but I'm not anymore. And that kind of crosses over
into creating content. Or it's like, maybe at first you
were OK with content being filmed and distributed, but
you're not in the future. So it's very important to kind
of get that written consent thatprotects, protect you right up
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front. But also, like, even if you have
that consent, if someone came forward, like came up to you and
was like, hey, I'm not really comfortable with this out there
anymore. Yeah, I always take it down.
Yeah, I was just like it came and you would take that down.
Yeah, I had one instance where aguy, it was my most pirated
video ever and I'm gay torrents and gay torrents.
Are you That video is on every tube site.
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And I'm, I told him, I'm like, listen, I can take it down for
you off of my website, but once I take it down off my website,
I'm not going to lift a finger to help you get it.
The thousands of copies that arefloating on the Internet
removed. And that was an instance where
even though I had a consent formor consent agreement with him, I
took it down. But I told him, once you put
something on the Internet, it's kind of there forever.
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And, and, and that's not, I think necessarily something that
everybody who's making content today is really thinking about.
They're just like, oh, it's a quick, it's a quick paycheck.
It's a quick, quick, quick, you know, supplemental income,
whatever. But those videos, they exist
online forever, no matter how many, you know, you know,
privacy or what am I? What's the word I'm looking for?
No matter how much Dominic Ford does to prevent people from
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ripping the videos from his website, there's always going to
be somebody who's ahead of the curve that's going to be ripping
them down and posting them on ontheir own sites.
Yeah. The consent, I think consent is
super important. Like I said, I mean, just to get
it ahead of time. But then I'm also also kind of a
softie when it comes to people coming to me and being like, can
you take it down? I'm like, sure.
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So as a lawyer, this is something you're well known as
kind of, I feel when it comes tothe adult industry, like you're
the, you're the, you're a success story outside of the
porn industry doing getting yourlaw degree, which I, you know, I
read about the whole, you know, I've read in your book the
whole, your whole journey, basically.
So you've spoken on channels, like I said, with me and about
new laws and regulations. What's the biggest legal
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challenge you think that is facing the adult content
creators right now and how prepared?
How prepared is the industry to handle it?
Yeah, I mean this administrationI would say is the biggest
challenge like and honestly I don't know how to prepare.
Like who honestly knows what's going to go happen?
Like changes everyday. Yeah, it changes every day.
So I would say I don't know, maybe prepare for the worst.
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Like I think the documentation is pretty important.
Like if there's someone ever to be investigated, you want to be
able to show that you have the proper consents that everyone
was of age and to be able to protect yourself.
But maybe even from like a non legal standpoint, like I know
that doing sex work and adult content violates a lot of of
like different banking terms of service potentially.
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And like I've heard of people getting their bank accounts shut
down or their Venmo shut down orsexual contact.
So I don't know, just like finding ways to protect yourself
and like finding different, I don't know, it's a mess.
Yeah, it's a mess. It's crazy.
I mean, I'm in the process. The bank that I use, I mean,
charges me an insane amount of fees to just run an adult
content website because they know they can.
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Yeah, they, they lump me in withthe online gambling and online
cannabis sales and all kinds of other high risk merchant
categories. But they charge just an insane
amount of fees because I can, just because they can.
I didn't realize people were getting their Venmos and stuff
shut down it. That's like, that's like news to
me hearing about, but I guess itmakes sense.
If you're caught doing somethinglike on PayPal, they they shut
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your PayPal down right away too.Yeah, I would say also like with
like border enforcement, like I feel that people like entering
and leaving the country like it's possible for people to like
run searches and if you're entering this country and you
have like a red men add up or a desktop fan, it could create
complications. So, but I'm not just like extra
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thought into that. Yeah, I have friends that came
in from the UK that were stopped.
We had plans to film here and they got turned away at the
border and sent back home because they had written in ads.
And so it's it's, it's pretty well.
I know that I was just when I was coming back in from Paris
last two weeks ago, I got stopped at the border at customs
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and they like unstacked my bag. I got red flagged for something
and they pulled out all my latexand like all my camera gear and
they're like, what do you do fora living?
I'm like born their, their, their demeanor instantly changed
and it was very awkward for them.
But yeah, that I, I got put through the ringer just a couple
weeks ago just getting my every piece of every piece of luggage.
They asked, oh, they pulled out.This is crazy.
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They pulled out my part. My fucking Metamucil.
Yeah, Metamucil in a bag. And they're like, what's this?
And I'm like, it's Metamucil. And they're like, you better
hope it's not heroin. I'm like, I'm like, OK, it's not
heroin. If you mix it with water, it's
going to turn orange. And they're like, well, you
better hope it doesn't turn bluebecause if we test it and it
turns blue, it's going to you'regetting arrested.
I'm like, man, OK, this is this is really intense.
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It's pretty wild. What happens when you travel
with J lub? I know I had J Lub with me too
in my backpack, but they they were really concerned about the
Metamucil. Interesting.
So do you think that being a lawyer and a performer gives you
a different perspective on wherethe industry is headed?
Maybe like a couple years ago when I had a practice that
focused more on the community, but my day-to-day is more in
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corporate entertainment lately. So I'm not as in tuned as I was
about the kind of most moderate issues.
How are you? How are you liking the corporate
corporate entertainment? Oh, I like it a lot.
I feel like I I have a a stable job.
I'm doing things that I like doing and working on like
contracts and subject matter that I've always wanted to work
on. And then it does give me the
opportunity like my day job is like corporate entertainment
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work. And then as like a hobby or as
like a like volunteering. I could like focus on other
things that are more maybe impactful towards our our
community. That's cool.
That's what I've always loved about you, is you're always
doing community work on top of the entertainment side of it.
I like to stay busy, service keeps a lot of trouble.
Yeah, I'd say OK, so we'll shiftgears a little bit.
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Speaking of getting in trouble, you're famous for your role in
Viral Loads for Treasure Island,which came out.
What year did that come out? That was, I think 2014, 2014.
OK, so a film that's been basically gotten its own
cultural legacy. What do you remember shooting
about that and how it impacted you?
Shooting was so much fun. We shot at the Park 55 hotel in
San Francisco, and that was before you had to like, have a
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key card to go up. OK, as they've done with every
sleazy hotel, mostly now. Yeah, I think what was most fun
is like I got there early to like, sign my paperwork, and
then they wanted me meeting the tops to be a surprise.
So they told me to go back down in the lobby and just like, wait
for people. So I'm like sitting in the lobby
and like seeing all these faggots come in and a lot of
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them are San Francisco local, soI know who they are.
And they like waved me like, hey, what are you doing there?
I'm like, I don't know, what areyou doing here?
They're all getting their way up.
So a little bit of the magic waslike, I don't know, not really.
It was fun, but like I knew halfof the people there already.
So it wasn't like a bunch of surprise tops, but the impact it
had, I guess it wasn't, it wasn't fully diverged to me the
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exact narrative that they would create.
Like they asked if I would be comfortable about being open
about my status and they asked if I would be comfortable about
having them pour the jar of pawscome up my butt, which I don't
know where they got that come from.
Who knows what that was, and I was fine with it, but I didn't
necessarily know that the narrative would be like a
conversion party type scene. And then a lot of the community
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blow black was that it was promoting like unsafe sex
practices and things like that. Because I was like a pre.
Was it it? Was right.
It was I think like San Francisco was testing prep, like
prep was out, but I don't think it was as widespread or
knowledge or or knowledgeable. No, if it was 2014, because I
started prep in like 2012. So prep was at least like
available I think at that point.But I think it was still like a
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party drug to some people and like frown on.
So yeah, I got a lot of pushbackwith that.
But it did give me the opportunity to kind of have my
own platform to be like, actually, I'm HIV positive.
I'm undetectable. Like half the people like are on
Prep or aware of E equals U. So like no one's getting HIV on
the set. It's just a fantasy, like, and
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in fact, jerking off to a fantasy is a great form of harm
reduction from actually going out and participating in rescue
behavior. So it gave me an opportunity to
like highlight prep and prep andyou equals you.
And I think I remember hearing you talk about that.
I don't know if it was in your episode on Unbound Editions
podcasts about jerking off aboutif you have a fantasy that's
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dangerous, it's it's healthier to jerk off about it than it is
to actually go participate in it.
But it's still OK to jerk off about something like that.
Yeah, I have like mixed viewpoints on that.
A little bit like like the HIV like fantasy porn aside, I know
there's people that like jerk off to like using porn and
that's a formal porn production because you're jerking off of
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something and you're not actually like going out and
doing it, but at the same time, like you are still creating a
positive association with it. So even though it doesn't have
like an immediate harmful impact, I feel like if you are
trying to like not use drugs or participate in the behavior,
constantly jerking off and giving yourself positive
reinforcement to it doesn't necessarily serve you.
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Yeah, in the long run, right. Yeah, it's like a short term
fix, but maybe not necessarily along term resolution to the.
To the Yeah, so. I read a lot about.
I mean, I still, I mean like I'ma big fan.
So I actually, like I said, for those of you guys who are just
listening, I just held up a copyof Blue Movies.
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I'm a huge fan. I read it in the day and 1/2
when I was in rehab, which is probably, it's probably not
appropriate rehab reading, but Imean it definitely I took that
with me. I took Alex's book with me as
well when I went to treatment last time.
And so it was. I related to you so much because
I thought that I had a very traumatic story.
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And and then I read your story and I was like, damn, you've
been through it. And so it's an unflinching
account of your time in porn andyour struggle with chems,
especially meth. So what made you decide to put
that story on paper? Yeah, So that originally the
book wasn't supposed to be like a memoir.
It was supposed to be like a collection of academic essays
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about different topics in queer life, like being HIV positive,
working in porn, chem, sex. And I wrote like a handful of
essays, but a lot of them were told to like my lived
experiences. So through the editing process,
it kind of morphed into what thebook is today.
But for me, like the advice thatlike Patrick and Unbound gave
was like in the writing process,like when you're writing your
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draft, put everything on paper, just get everything out.
And then you could always go back and edit or be like, hey,
it was good to get this on paper, but this doesn't need to
be in the book. And when I wrote that draft was
pretty like, I've been, I just got four years sober and it was
right solid in year one that I was writing.
So to me, it was very therapeutic to kind of like go
back and relive a lot of experiences I had and get them
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out on paper to kind of examine what I was thinking and feeling
in those moments. I mean, I feel like I'm always
doing, I'm always like travelingor doing something.
So I live a very busy life. So it's very easy just to live
an experience and then immediately forget about it.
So it was, it was interesting togo back and like re examine
those moments. Did you write about stuff like
maybe like, as I don't know if your experience has been similar
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to mine, I'm kind of writing about stuff as it's happening.
Some, some, some experiences like the embolism I'm in the
process of writing about right now.
I know I'm not far enough away from it to really examine it,
but it's like getting my thoughts about it on paper.
I don't know if you were like really reflective, like
reflecting back. I mean, what you were because a
lot of it was childhood stuff, but a lot of it was like, you
know, years past. But I don't know if you're if
you'd written about things kind of as they were happening as
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well or if it was mostly just kind of reflective look back
that stuff. Yeah, it was mostly reflective
and looking back, I kind of justword vomiting it all onto paper.
Yeah, yeah, it's similar to whatI've basically written a series
of essays myself. And so it's similar to what cuz
I didn't really have, I didn't write what I've been working on
didn't start as a, as a project.It started as therapy sessions
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or writing exercises with my therapist.
And then I just realized, oh wow, I have a bunch of shit
that's thematically similar and in different clumps basically.
And so there was a through line through everything I was
writing. It's just really, it's
interesting to hear about how your process, what your process
was. It turned into something really,
really, really cool and something I related to a lot big
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time. So thank you for writing it.
Thank you. Yeah, I, I, I very much relate
to the process that you, like you just described.
And I didn't necessarily like inmy therapy, like do you like
writing? But like within 12 step
recovery, like some of the assignments you get are writing
based and like looking back on it now, like I didn't intend to
like do some of the 12 step workthrough this book, but I was
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like kind of doing it just the process of like going through
and putting it out there. So I definitely relate to that
like therapeutic aspect of like writing everything else.
One thing I really loved about Blue Movie was when you equated,
but each individual chem looked like as a person like that I
thought was really like I had tosit back and go like, what does
ketamine look like to me? Like what is what is what does
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meth look like to me as a person?
Like is it a toxic X? Is it an abusive X?
Is it an abusive boyfriend? Is it a you know, and then like
what does ketamine physically look like to me?
Like I thought that was that wasa really interesting exercise I
did by myself in treatment because I I was such a bitch at
my last treatment center. I like basically went for detox
only and I was, I'm just going to like go here, break the
cycle, whatever. And so I did my own little kind
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of treatment by myself while I was there.
And part of it was going throughand kind of idealizing
personifying each chem and what it looked like to me.
And it was a helpful way for me to look at my relationship with
these drugs too. And so I thought that was really
interesting. I never heard anybody do that
before or or heard that recommended before before I read
Blue Movie. That was recommended to me and
therapy and I know like a lot oflike 12 step and abstinence
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programs kind of teaches you to look at drugs like all the same
and equal. But like through fair therapy
and like harm reduction, I do like the idea of analyzing each
drug on its own and like what isit like as a person to you?
What is the risk? Like for me for alcohol?
Like maybe maybe 7 out of 10 times I could drink alcohol and
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there won't be any consequences.But like 3 out of 10 times, like
maybe I'll get into an argument,maybe I'll get like physically
aggressive or maybe like I'll decide to go do math and it's
like a 30% chance, really a chance that I'm willing to take
at this time of my life, life. That's something really wrong.
And it's not versus like something like cannabis, like
they'll be 10 out of 10 times that.
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Like I could do cannabis and it's not going to lead to any
violent behavior or any death behavior.
But it just doesn't really work for me where I'm at right now.
Like I wouldn't be harmful to me, but I could do cannabis and
I would just sit at home and eatsnacks all day and not be
productive. Yeah, no, you've got a lot going
for you right now. So yeah, it's amazing.
I really just like that that that helped me out a lot to kind
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of differentiate between all drugs are bad and maybe not
necessarily all drugs are not all drugs are not created
equally. So it's for each individual
person. So was it?
What was the hardest part about writing a book for you?
Probably like sticking to a schedule and actually like
forcing myself to sit down and write because I would like
wouldn't really know where to start or like what to talk
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about. I had a friend Turbo, who was
also writing a book or in an academic setting.
So we ended up having like a study session every like
Saturday. We would get together for like 2
or three hours and even if it was just like writing what was
in your head, we would both, it would force us to like just both
be accountable and like get things on paper.
And then we could always like golike some days like nothing was
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usable or it was, it was like garbage.
But then just having that repetition and accountability
definitely helped. It's a cool part of the process.
You did it with somebody else. You had somebody else kind of as
you're like a copilot along the way.
Yeah, definitely. And we were writing about two
different things. But we could like, he was
writing still about queer stuff.So we can, like, check in and
see what the other person thought about things.
And then it was more about accountability over there.
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Yeah, I have a friend of mine that we were thinking about
doing editing sessions together and recording them for the show,
like design the scenes stuff as I was been, as I've been writing
because I'm literally always turning everything into content.
Everything that's great. It's crazy.
So I don't know how to not make content out of my life.
So we were talking about doing some of the behind the scenes.
I have one friend of mine that'ssort of doing the same thing.
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I just send him everything I write and then he gives me
feedback on like if it's unrelentingly bleak or
something, maybe make it a little happier.
So we did talk a little bit about how meth was an impact in
your life, but how did it shape your experiences in porn and
your personal life? This is something that I deal
with on a day-to-day basis as somebody who struggles with
addiction, highs and lows and and periods of harm reduction,
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periods of sobriety, periods of using.
What's your perspective on chem sex, culture now, where you're
at your life today? Yeah, so I've been sober for
four years, pretty much from everything except poppers.
Poppers have always been part ofmy program.
I've never seen them as harmful.It's funny, Like I'll get
messages from fans that are like, Oh my God, like how high
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were you in that video? And I get those too.
And I was high MF for one video that I shot, it was for like
Manhunt and it was awful. Like it was so in my head I
couldn't perform. Like I wasn't the type of
crackhead that could like go do math and participate in the
world. Like my peoples immediately were
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saucers. I was like constantly sweaty.
So like it was it was not something that made me feel sexy
or confident. But for some reason, like the
Treasure Island aesthetic and the aesthetic of all the, like,
bareback videos of the time, theway they shot things had a
really cracky vibe to it. So people just assume, yeah,
people just assume I at most on set would do like a shot of like
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Jack or like, smoke some pot. But predominantly, I like to
have a clear head because I would feel more confident.
But I definitely participated indrugs like off camera all the
time. I think for me, I don't know,
like I, I would often relapse and use out of like feeling
confident and sexy and I would have my guard down and go like,
oh, let's just get into some really piggy sacks.
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Like I'm sure there were plenty of times I was like depressed
and I was like, all right, this would make me happy.
But like it was predominantly sex driven and feeling sexy.
And I would get into like some pretty like twisted like
scenarios and like BDSM scenes. And it was really hot for me to
just completely give up control to someone and let them do
whatever, which put me in reallyharmful situations and really
dangerous, dangerous situations.So I think when I got sober,
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like kind of took BDSM off the plate for a while and even like
like, like intimacy, like I had a partner, so of course was
intimate with him, but like I wouldn't really want to hook up
with friends because I would have like like stage performance
issues and I would think I wouldjust constantly spin out like
what they would think about me. So like, I kind of like to get
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my my grounding would like hook up at the park, I would hook up
at the gym. I love going to like horse
market because I could like go be a big slut and I wouldn't
have to talk to anyone. I just had my hood on and zone.
And I think like the more that Ibuilt like my social like like
abilities back, like the more I was comfortable, like hooking up
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with friends and then like eventually like reintegrating
BDSM with people that I felt more connected with.
But it definitely took a lot of time and practice and a lot of
trial and error figuring out what worked.
It's interesting. I mean, you and I are similar in
that it did make me it does makeme feel awkward.
Like when I'm on it doesn't I don't it's I hear people that
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are like, Oh, I do meth and thenI feel so confident and I feel
so sexy and I'm just like, how was the opposite?
Sober me. When I'm sober, I feel like I
could run the world and then when I'm high, I'm kind of
reclusive and I don't I'm in my head.
I think too much. I'm like ring if the other
person is scared by how high I am or Oh my God, like that
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thought goes through my head allthe time.
I'm like, fuck, are they freaking out that I'm that I'm
my heart's beating too fast and now they're not that and then
they're they're turned off by mymy heart.
Whatever. My brain doesn't work the same
way. That inhibits me more than
anything. So it's interesting to hear you
say that. And and and the same thing with
people asking about how high I am in scenes.
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I'm I'm sober or sober adjacent in almost like 99% of what I've
released. I'm sober adjacent at least,
maybe like a little buzzed, but like nothing, nothing that like
my family would be able to tell or anything.
When they ask me, I feel I'm kind of like crushing their
fantasy a little bit. I was totally sober.
We were all totally sober. It's a good scene because we
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were also always sober. So.
But how many guys fetishize that?
It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.
So did writing the book change your relationship to your
history with fisting porn or thelegal work you do today?
I don't think so. I mean in All in all reality,
like all of my stuff like you said exists on the Internet,
there's nobody to delete it. Like I could turn my off, but
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the contents already out there. So to some extent like I would
have to think me applying for jobs, someone's googled me and
had to be like. Because it brought a lot of
stuff out into the light. It brought it like it was.
It's it's it's very good like meare exposing parts of yourself
that maybe were private before. So I don't know if that's
changed your dynamic with the way you think about some of
these things that you wrote about.
I probably, if I would write it today, like a lot of people
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every shot that they, they relate with my story.
And I've had similar experiencesand like more of the like, kind
of like darker myth fueled fantasies.
So in a way, I appreciate that me being open about my
experience has allowed other people to be open about theirs.
If I rewrote the book today, I don't know if I needed to be as
explicit about certain things. Like it was very like
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therapeutic for me to get it outon paper.
But like, as you mentioned, likesomeone reading it in a rehab
facility, like, yeah, I could see how that might not have been
the right vibe at the right at that right moment.
So I'm. As much of A freak as you are.
So it's like, it was definitely like, hey, we got me through
rehab. But I mean, other people, I
imagine it would probably be sending them off the edge at the
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end, but it was. Yeah.
So maybe I would like have focused less on that or at least
had it very count, like more counterbalanced with like, yes,
this was the hot sex that happened.
And then here's like the five days of the paranoia and all the
negative consequences that you don't kick off too Sure.
But in terms of like fisting, no, not so much.
Like I I eventually want to get back into it as a bottom.
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I still love to fist. I go through periods where I'm
into it more, in periods where Icould live without it and just
be just as fine. Yeah, cool.
So you've also published with Unbounded, you published with
Unbound Edition. Was it different to write in a
literary context compared to writing?
I'm imagining so but like the differences between writing for
yourself and writing for like legal documents or sharing your
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personal experience, like how, how different is that for you?
Yeah. So I think I've always been open
about sharing my personal experience.
Like when viral loads came out, I had the opportunity to like do
interviews and share my perspective about it.
And I had like a couple opportunities to write pieces
about like modern safe for sex practices that talk about like
my experience with being at to be positive and U equals UI
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would say like writing from an academic perspective.
Like I appreciate that there's alot of bias in our industry.
So we do need people to write like, like serious pieces about
our community and topics that wedeal with.
It's a lot less fun to write those.
It's very much like building a puzzle.
Like you have your premise, you have your arguments, you have
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your conclusion. So like writing, when we made
the decision to switch it from like essays to more like a
memoir style, that was really exciting.
And I remember we were talking alot about like, what voice do
you want? Because like academic is like
very serious. But like when you're writing a
novel, like you could do like whatever perspective.
And my favorite kind of authors are like, Chuck Alnwick and Bret
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Easton Ellis that are just like,very kind of matter of fact and
like, kind of just, like, dump abunch of, like, crazy details on
you. Yeah, like, like, super detailed
and specific. So I think once I had, like, the
bulk of what I wanted to say, wewere like, all right, like,
what's the tone of how you want to say it?
And I was like, oh, I really admire Brady.
Snell was like, I want to channel that energy became like
(34:36):
really fun and a lot more creative than just like,
building blocks of arguments. Yeah, that's amazing.
I'm so interested in your process because I'm, I'm in the
thick of mine right now. So it's, it's interesting to
hear about how you came to, how it came to be.
This is what I was most kind of interested in hearing about just
because I admire you so much forwhat you were willing to put on
paper and what you were willing to talk about and stuff.
(34:57):
I think it's really important because I feel like there's not
enough people talking about the,the experiences that are, even
though our experiences are unique, kind of like sex worker,
you know, drug, drug addiction, that type of thing is a unique
experience. But there's people from all
walks of life that can, can, canpull something from what you've
heard. And so I think it's, it was
really important and it was important to me.
So, so looking ahead, how do youwant people to remember you as
(35:20):
the lawyer, the porn performer, the Fister or the writer who
bared it all in blue movie? Like what's the most important
thing to you? I think this goes back to like
kind of hearing people that resonate like I like, I like the
fact that me being kind of like open and visible about my
experience has allowed other people able to feel more
comfortable. Whether that's just like being
more of a slut or being more of a cum dump or just like feeling
(35:43):
less alone about like having having a contentious
relationship with like substances and things like that.
So yeah, I guess that's what's important to me, what I would
like to shut out. Yeah, that's great.
I mean like leaving people feeling like they're not so
alone in their, in their thoughts or their, their, their
feelings or whatever, Like there's somebody else that's
just like them out there I thinkis really important.
(36:05):
Yeah. Like like you mentioned, we, you
and I have a lot of like overlapping experiences, but
then you have your experiences that are unique that need to
like be ready to get out there. So where do you find more
information about you on the Internet?
I know it's there's a lot of info about both of us online,
but I mean where specifically can people support you in your
work and stuff like that? Like your just for friends page
or Twitter or anything like thatthat you want to?
(36:26):
So yeah, I'm on. I mostly just use Instagram.
I tried to like Blue Sky and I try not to use Twitter anymore
but everything is at Blue BaileySF.
I think I still have an only fans up but I don't post content
there so like I wouldn't advise you spending your money on it.
Also you could probably go on pornhub and just Google and
stream things for free. That's one thing that sucks
(36:47):
about our industry and somethingthat you actually have overcome
is that I don't get any royalties or residuals from
people watching my videos, so I don't care if people stream them
for free. You have your own studio and
your own platform. So like you have found a way for
you to keep like 100% or as muchof 100% of the proceeds of each
sale as possible. Because I'm a psycho control
(37:09):
freak. Dude.
Are you trademarked copy writtenand that's.
The way to go I admire like all the effort and time that you
spend and to really like building your brand and
protecting it and creating something.
Thanks, That's been of immense value to you.
Thanks, I bought a house with mybutt holes so yeah that's
everything you see around me. Was purchased with my asshole so
(37:32):
I. I love it, I love it.
Thank you so much for doing thiswith me.
I really appreciate your time. I know that we put this off a
couple times because I had a couple of emergencies this week
and shit, shit went down. So I just really appreciate you
being flexible with me and taking the time to do this with
me. You're amazing as always.
It's really good to see you reconnect you guys.
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(38:12):
Blue Bailey, thank you so much. I appreciate you so much and I'm
really happy to see you and see you doing so well.
Yeah, you as well. I hope to meet in person to get
some pups in. Yeah, are you coming for Pig
Week? No, I'm not able to make that
sadly, so maybe not here, OK. Well, yeah, I'm hopefully going
to be doing it. I just got travel benefits
again, so I'll be able to travela lot more often.
So hopefully I'll maybe we'll cross paths at some point and at
(38:33):
some event during the during thenext year or so.
I would very much like that. All right, me too.
Yeah, my butthole would too. All right, I'll see you later.
Have a good night. You.
Guys, all right, have a good night.
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