April 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Ever wondered about the craftsmanship behind the game calls that bring wild turkeys strutting into range? This episode pulls back the curtain on the fascinating world of custom call making with Kenneth McDonald, founder of River's Edge Game Calls.
Kenneth's journey began unexpectedly when he drew a tag for New Brunswick's first-ever turkey season. Armed with just a store-bought pot call and determination, he successfully harvested a tom on opening day. That success sparked a passion that would transform his woodworking hobby into a specialized craft. "I looked at this pot call and I'm thinking, 'I could do better,'" he tells us, describing the moment that launched his call-making adventure.
What follows is a masterclass in the surprisingly complex science behind effective game calls. Kenneth walks us through the intricate details that affect a call's sound – from wood density and surface materials to the precise engineering of internal components. We discover how different cuts create unique sounds in diaphragm calls, why glass-over-glass designs allow for custom soundboards, and how even the striker's length and weight dramatically influence performance. For anyone who's ever used a game call without considering its construction, this conversation will forever change how you view these essential hunting tools.
Beyond the technical aspects, Kenneth shares the profound satisfaction of knowing his handcrafted calls have helped hunters across North America connect with the outdoors. "That makes me a part of your hunt," he explains, highlighting the special relationship between call makers and the hunting community. His passion extends beyond craftsmanship to conservation, emphasizing how hunters contribute significantly to wildlife preservation.
Whether you're a seasoned turkey hunter, a call-making enthusiast, or simply curious about the intersection of craftsmanship and outdoor pursuits, this episode offers valuable insights into an often-overlooked aspect of hunting tradition. Join us for this fascinating conversation, and you might just find yourself appreciating your next turkey call in an entirely new way.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
This is Huntsman Outfitting Podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken Meyer.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
associated with it, from storiesto how-tos.
You'll find it here.
Welcome to the podcast.
Hey, thanks for tuning in tothis week's episode If you like
it and, you know, I hope thatyou share it out.
(00:48):
So a lot of times when we buysomething, we hope that it works
and does what it's supposed todo, but we usually don't look
into how it's built, what makesit work and everything that goes
together with it.
Well, today on the podcast weare talking to animal call maker
Kenneth McDonald and get abehind the scenes chat into the
(01:09):
call making world, along withgetting to know him and why he
started doing it.
We also get into some turkeyhunting talk and near the end of
the podcast you will hear howmy turkey calling needs some
serious practice.
I'm working on it.
You also hear two other voiceson this podcast Dalton Patterson
, who has been on lots beforeand is interested in the call
(01:31):
making, and my nephew, zach, whohappened to be down visiting
and is learning about hunting ingeneral.
So enjoy.
So, from one Ken to anothergreat name, and I'm excited to
have you on.
How did you get into hunting?
Have you always been hunting?
One Ken to another great nameand, uh, I'm excited to have you
on.
Uh, how did you get?
How'd you get into hunting?
Have you always been hunting,or did the calls come second?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I've always loved the woods.
I always loved being in thewoods, uh, up and down the
streams in South Hampton.
Uh, dream to the day I could gobird hunting.
Uh my grandfather was a hunternot a good hunter, but he was a
hunter Hunter nonetheless yeah.
I showed him up when it come topartridge when I turned 14, but
uh, yeah no, I've always,always, loved the woods and
always dreamed of being in thewoods when I was young, so
(02:13):
you've always had a passion forit.
I've always had a passion forit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So you grew up in, uh , was it kind of central?
Okay, yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that works.
Yeah, Um, so you've always,you've always been in the woods
and then you know, so you makegame calls there's edge game
calls.
Um so, how, like I was justsaying, I'm curious how does
somebody you know you hear theseanimals talking in the woods?
You're like I'm going to try tomimic that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But, what?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
what got you to do it ?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I've always loved woodworking, always love
work woodworking, likethroughout high school love shop
class.
So in 2021, I drew a tag forthe first ever season here in
New Brunswick.
No idea anything about turkeyhunting, yep.
Um, I think the draw was Sundaynight at 1201.
I was off Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And there was for New Brunswick.
I mean, that was the first yearturkey hunting.
There wasn't many tags.
No, your odds were slim.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think there was 500 , maybe, maybe, if that.
So I was off that Monday of thedraw and I run right to
Canadian Tire.
Yeah, I bought a choke for my870.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Turkey choke and a Primo's pot call.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and scratched the call up.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The old classic Primo's.
All I could do was Yelps on it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, that's all I could do, and I practiced from
that day until night beforeopening you had it all worn out.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was more like helped instead of Yelps.
Yeah, sort of thing yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And I had no idea what I was doing.
I tried to find as muchinformation on turkey hunting as
I could and I asked a lot ofquestions, lots of YouTube
videos.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's kind of what I'm doing now, cause I'm going
turkey hunting for the firsttime this year.
So yeah, youtube podcast andasking, podcasting, asking
people.
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So so I drew the tag.
Opening morning came and I hitthe field.
And opening day I did it.
Yeah, I called in a Tom.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
With, with the old Primo's, With the Primo's puck,
call Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And all I could do was yelp.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And that was enough.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That was enough that that first gobble and it just
starts punching you in the chest.
Yeah, and I mean, everythingwent blank, except for me and
that turkey.
I had a video camera with meand I could have videoed my hunt
.
All I do is hit record.
Were you in a ground blind?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I was in a ground blind in the middle of a field.
Yeah.
So it's where I seen turkeys,but your first turkey hunt.
I mean that, from what I'veheard, like their eyesight's
incredible, incredible, theirhearing's incredible.
They said that they could smell.
We'd never get any and youthought I'm going to kick it up
a notch, I'm going to try toeven film it.
Yeah, my first turkey hunt withthis old Primo's call.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So all right, and I didn't even hit record.
Oh, really, did not even hitrecord, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And it was exciting leave.
I did it opening day for aseason.
Yeah, so I spent the next yearlooking at that pot call.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Actually, it wasn't even a year, so you, you never
grew up thinking like I'd liketo make calls.
No, I've never.
I've never dreamed of it Really.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Never dreamed of it.
So I looked at this pot calland I'm looking at it and
looking at it and looking at itand like, well, I could do
better.
I know there wood lathe, yeah,and I just I just went at it.
It was early march of 2022 andI built five pot calls that day
and I like the first one themost and, yeah, that's kind of
(05:34):
the design I went with.
Yeah, internally, becauseoutside they all look the same
or similar, but it's the insidesthat really make the call the
call so how?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
yes, you got.
So you got this Prima's callfrom Canadian Tire store here in
Canada.
And you just went, analyzed itvisually and like I can make
this you could see through it,because it was clear plastic.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So you could see the two layers.
Well, the top layer was crystaland then there was a layer of
glass.
You can see the pedestal andI'm just thinking like I could
do this, and I actually designedone with the cricket app.
Did you go on like youtube?
I did go on youtube and Iwatched a lot of threads okay
how they work and stuff yeah,yeah, but there's a lot of
(06:19):
threads and if you takeinformation from everybody, like
the pedestal widths and heightsand everything, and I just put
something together and I likethe first one I made.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, see, I thought, because I know you do grunt
toots and all that I thought youstarted with that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No oh.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, that was for the off-season too.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh, okay, yeah, that's how I thought you started
so there's multiple seasons.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You could have multiple.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I'm slowly expanding my line.
Yeah, so the buck grunts weresecond.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, so I guess we'll jump into the the buck
grunts a little bit and then,you know, back to the turkey
talk.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What's the name of your business, stu?
River's Edge Game Calls callsokay has to do with the riverine
well, the wood lathe, I wasoverlooking the river.
Okay, perfect right on the edgeright on the edge of the
riverbank.
Yeah, yeah up st john river.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's neat if I look to the right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I can see the mactaquack dam straight down.
I see the fish hatchery in thewater that's a good work
woodworking spot.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't get much done.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's like looking at the fish look at the day better
name's Edge.
I'm on the edge of the river,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And it's easy to remember and stuff.
So, all right, well, let's,let's.
Like I said, I want to get backinto the turkey stuff for a
while.
But how did you the buck grunts?
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, I want to be a deer hunter.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, yeah, no-transcript you had I just
(08:06):
called from canadian tire,walmart or whatever.
You just kind of analyzed itand like I can make it no I,
just I.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I, we've all seen them, we've all had them.
Yeah, the cheap buck gruntsfrom canadian tire and I
actually still have one, do you?
I do too my grandfather's I gotthem yeah I'll never get rid of
it.
Yeah, but uh, just I visualizedwhat I wanted to build because
my tube is wood, where this tubeon the Canadian Tire one was
like a plastic.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Plastic.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, like what are they Generic yeah, plastic.
Yeah, like a gas can yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Actually mine did taste a little fumey yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I think that's what they look like.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's whatthey look like yeah.
Yeah, Anyways, I wanted aone-piece buck grunt and I just
I made one and it sounded greatand people wanted them.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, now with the buck grunts when you're making
yours made out of wood.
They're all custom handmade.
Does the wood matter for thosewith the sound?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, I don't find the wood does matter with them more
of them is is the reeds.
And yeah, and adjusting theo-ring on the tone board, right,
right, yeah, okay, probably thelength of the tube would make a
difference yeah, because what's?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
the longer it sounds like a younger buck and the
shorter it's an older buck.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I think, yeah, it would be deeper, more throaty if
it was longer, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, yeah, I haven't used them a whole.
Actually, the one that I callmy bucket with this year.
I was just quacking away on itlike I was on Duck Commander,
but that wasn't even adjustable.
It's like a I can't rememberthe brand, but it wasn't even
adjustable and he just straightrubber.
But yeah, um, okay, so that'syou got it, that's what you get
into the buck.
Yeah, yeah, no, that makessense.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, then there's rat squealers and there's
squirrel calls and what else is?
I've done some duck calls.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that's a whole other world too.
The duck calls oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I'm not a duck hunter, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know much about duck calls but just blow
it like yeah, that sounds like aduck sure.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I've bought the reeds and I've thrown them together
and people love them.
Yeah yeah, it brings the ducksout.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, you fiddled around with duck calls a bit.
Some of all my calls to to playon the podcast, yeah, um sure.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Brought one for me to play with.
Yeah, might've bought it.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You coming to the show this week.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You should come to the show, okay.
Well, that was a kind ofclimatic there, Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Um, yeah, there's a sportsman show going on, then
you're set up there this weekend.
Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Canadian wild Turkey Federation.
And um cause, you also got intomaking the diaphragm calls.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Uh, just recently.
That's, that's very new to me.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Um, took me about 200 to learn how to use my press
Really.
Yeah Cause, yeah so.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just started, you know, playing around with those,
but a month ago and I've, I've,I'm feeling better at it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's like anything the more you use it, the more
you're going to learn.
And you're going to learnlittle tricks and little sounds,
and you're just going to evolveand keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's all about just playing with your tongue and
your teeth and
Speaker 1 (11:14):
your lips and everything.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Just learning how to make it talk yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
So to a non.
I would call myself anon-turkey hunter.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I would too.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
A diaphragm versus a.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Diaphragms are the hardest to learn, so what would
be the advantage to them?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, you're not moving your hands.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah it'd be the movement.
So the diaphragm's hands-free.
So if you've got a turkey at 50yards and he can see you and
you've got a gun in your hand,you can't drop your gun and
start calling with the pot.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fair, got a gun in your hand.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
You can't, you can't drop your gun and start calling
with the pot.
Fair enough, that's where themouth call.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And also the fact that not everyone can do it, so
you can say I called in with mymouth, that's right.
Yeah, half of it is just ego.
Yeah, well, yeah, okay, well Iwouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I wouldn't say it's ego, it's hands free, yeah, you,
you can't move when a turkey'slooking at you see, I never even
thought of that yeah, if youmove, he's gone.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
yeah, he's so it's kind of like a two in one.
It's in your mouth, you'regobbling at the same time as you
can shoot him.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Well, you're doing.
You're doing yelps, okay, causethe Tom's gobble.
So you're mimicking a hen.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I've never hunted Turkey in my
life.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, never, ever.
So you're making is is the potcalls sound the best?
Yeah, um, the box calls.
They really reach out andthey're easy to use.
Okay, and the mouth calls thediaphragms.
They're hands-free, so are yougoing to get?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
into the box, because you make everything else what
are those?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
maybe eventually, okay, it's, it's all learning
process yeah, yeah, it's allmore finicky to make, or?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't even know because I've never tried.
It's all thicknesses andfriction.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm prodding myself in learning the diaphragm, being
able to call a turkey with that, but everything I've read about
it is the fact that that's whyI wanted to get scratch calls,
pot calls, slate call from you.
Also, I wanted the nice customone.
It looks cool.
And the fact that I've beentold that you need that variety.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You should have all the calls.
Really, that's what I've heard.
I don't make box calls, but goget yourself a box call.
That's what I've heard.
Yeah, yeah, like, use, use allthe tools to your advantage, and
it doesn't matter if you buy itfrom me or Canadian tire wear.
Use all the tools.
So, um, we're going to get intothe?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
uh, so is it.
Is it called a pot, call aslate call scratch.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They're all pot calls .
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, so then All those words are the same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So the calls I'm building are pot calls, but the
materials in the call can change.
Like you can have glass overglass, glass over slate, slate
over glass, crystal over glass,crystal over slate, copper,
aluminum, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Okay, aluminum.
Like you scratch on thealuminum, I've got some aluminum
ones at the show right now.
Are those?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
like really high pitched.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
They're really high pitched Okay and some people
really like that yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, I've got a couple of really nice aluminum
calls.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So the one that you made melooks awesome, looks awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's glass over glass .
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And that gives me the option to do custom soundboards
, like I've done for you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Because if I put slate on this, we're not going
to see your soundboard, rightyeah?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And that's why I think people really love the
glass on glass, because I cantake my call and make it yours,
yep, and people lovepersonalized and custom.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, Like well, like we were talking earlier, so I
didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
you have to take sandpaper and wreck the front of
the call with it Basically, andthat's the way people feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, but how you said, so some people get to, I
actually I probably will getanother one just to keep it all
pristine and stuff Like Iwouldn't even need a scratcher
with it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I'll just I get you a different wood dowel.
It's going to sound a littledifferent that way you'll have
two.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, I cringed a little bit when you scratched it
.
I'll be honest, People do.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
At the show.
I'll go grab a brand new columnof sandpaper.
They're looking at me, I'm justripping right into it Just like
nails on a chalkboard.
They're like ah shit, thatcall's an $85 call and you're
scratching it and we needscratched Like I'd love
scratching.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So once there's scratched that much, there are
they.
Uh, you do you need to scratchthem again, or?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
uh, as soon as I rub my fingers on that, the oils off
my fingers are going to fill inthem grooves and it's going to
go smooth.
So it will need scratched again.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So so the way you had the call, you have it all
pristine and looking pretty nice, but that won't work.
So you, you do have to take thesandpaper, you do have to
scratch it and give her a rub.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Even like with the slate and the aluminum, you've
got to scuff it up.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You do yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay, yeah, but you don't uh, you don't use
sandpaper on slate.
Even with the Scotch, the slatejust disappear.
Oh, really oh yeah, like youcould, if you, if you spend a
day scotch bray, yeah, you canwear it through it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Really.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Oh yeah, slate is so soft, huh, yeah.
And then you get into glass,yeah, then crystals even harder.
So that's where you get yourhigher pitches sounds.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
So, uh, what one do you the best?
Like glass myself, I love theglass.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, I love the glass over glass.
Now I've I've guided hunts withglass and I've guided hunts
with slate.
They both work.
Yeah, it's all, it's allpreference.
It's like cars.
Yeah, yeah, we all likesomething different.
We're all looking for adifferent sound.
The slate is a little easierbecause it's naturally rough, so
is one heavier than the other.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Like is one made out of something different, that's a
little one heavier than theother.
Like is one made out ofsomething different, that's a
little bit heavier than theother.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think weight they're pretty close.
Slate would be a touch heavier,but it's such a small piece
You're not going to notice.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
All right, so you, uh , you, scratched mine all to
hell, uh, no.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So so what I can do if you're really fussy about?
No, it's fine, I'll actuallyprobably get another one.
So would you mind you give hera little test run?
So it's already scratched up.
We scratched it up previous.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So do you want me to move the mic here?
I'll play with it.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
So that's some prayers, yelps and some, uh yeah
, little cuts so you have to useit on the scratched part
obviously, yeah, like I'm.
I'm over here touching theother piece of the glass and
nothing, nothing, yeah, so it'sgot to be scratched so is there
a certain way you have to gowith it, or uh, so you scratch
it in one direction and you wantto play across them scratches,
(17:29):
so think of this as a musicalinstrument.
You ever seen a record?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No, you haven't Zach.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
What's on records Bumps, so the needle plays on
bumps.
There's lines.
But then there's also bumpsinside of it.
These are the bumps.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
The bumps are.
What kind of help?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
make the music sound.
This is a musical instrument.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Learning something new today, boys.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't doubt it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Well, that's neat.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So we were talking, you were asking Dalton this
about like so that is bird's eyemaple wood that the glass is in
.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
This one is a bird's eye maple.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
yeah, yeah, so then the different wood is going to
affect.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, different density of woods is going to
raise or lower the pitches.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So what that's the most popular?
The bird's eye maple.
Everybody loves bird's eye,yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
If you say bird's eye to someone like here, here,
bird's eye, give me bird's eye.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Everybody loves bird's eye.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Here's my money, yeah , yeah.
But so you have other densitiesand all that and that will
completely affect the salmon.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, make them higher pitched.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, that's neat.
So you've been selling callswhat all over North America?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
A lot in New Brunswick and Ontario, a few in
Maine, some in Connecticut,Massachusetts.
I've got one in Montana, one inTexas, one in New Zealand,
montana and.
Texas.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I've got a buck grunt in Nunavut.
Is there bucks to grunt in inNunavut?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
There's not but as a call maker, I want one in every
state and every province.
Yeah, so I actually sent thisone up there for free to an
Eskimo, I don't even know theEskimo?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, I thought they called things with their noses.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like you know, the Eskimo kiss A friend's husband
works up there and I'm like here, take this buck, grind, give it
to an Eskimo.
And he went to their house andthey were going nuts over it and
said they're going to call in.
It's like, holy shit, I've gotone of it.
(19:27):
That is cool.
Yeah, it was a bird's eye,because I think I saw on your
butternut.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I think I saw on your facebook you had like a
tax and a map or whatever youwere trying to get it yeah, all
over, yeah, so montana, yeah, intexas.
No, what do they have there forturkeys?
If somebody will correct me,I'm gonna have a guy on again
Walker, talking about Montanahunting.
I think they're merriams, I'mnot sure which species and
(19:52):
subspecies are where All right,this is going to be really
uneducated.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Same calls for every type of turkey.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm going to say yes, yes, as a completely uneducated
idiot on this, I'm going to sayyes too.
But I've heard that some turkeybreeds or subspecies whatever
you want to call them, you'vegot to be a lot more chatty with
.
So I've heard that the Easternscan be a bit harder.
Where you've got the Mariansand stuff.
You've got to be real yappywith them and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But Primos isn't building a pot called just for
Florida.
No, fair enough.
They're with them and all thatprimos isn't building a pot
called just for florida.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, they're building one, and it's, it's going all
over.
That would be the oslo, oslo nooslo, oslo, osceola, the real
pretty one turkeys yeah, yeah,real pretty, I've seen them.
We're boar hunting there.
Yeah, you seem like man.
It's just like a, a gay lookingrainbow running by.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So so far, to my knowledge, only eastern turkeys
have been harvested with mycalls, so so for me to have one
of them, other species would bea milestone for me, so if
somebody is listening to thisand gets one.
I absolutely, I absolutely wanteverybody to send me pictures
of their harvest.
If you shoot a buck with mygrunt, I want to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes, you'd be proud of it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Cause that makes.
Did you hear that?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
zach, if you end up, that makes me a part of your
hunt.
Yeah, I'm always a part of yourhunt and that is very rewarding
as a call maker?
No for sure.
Well, that's, you helpaccomplish what?
Yeah, what you set out to do ismimic that animal and help,
just because you don't pull thetrigger.
Yeah, it doesn't make it not oh, exactly, yeah, I'm a part of
it, yeah and that's just a veryrewarding feeling see, that's
good, that's, I've gotcoonhounds upstairs, um.
(21:31):
So that, yeah, I mean as a as acall maker.
Yeah, it's really good to hearthat means that, yeah, you're
passionate, you're, you wantedyou, you got into this for the
right reasons.
It's just being a part of thathunt and helping mimic that
animal sound and bring it bringit absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
So you weekend are at the sportsman show.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Do you do any of the shows anywhere?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I haven't, but I really should be doing some of
these smaller community shows.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So you're selling those calls there too, eh?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, the CWTF lets me sell calls at their booth.
I come in and I talk turkey andI draw attention to their booth
and help them out with theirseminars.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, it's great.
I mean, the Canadian WildTurkey Federation is a branch
off from the North American WildTurkey Federation, all that and
it's good to promote it in anyway, shape or form, just to have
more turkey hunters out therefor conservation.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well, cwtf isn't just turkey, it's conservation
across the board.
Yeah, just because we're Canadawild Turkey Federation doesn't
mean we just care about turkeys,we care about all conservation.
Yeah.
So uh, if it's fishing, deerhunting, bear hunting, whatever
we we love it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, that's, that's you know again.
So I mean you have got.
I don't know how we're gettingonto this, but it's good.
So you've got PETA and all thatright and you have to know the
animals and everything and don'tprotect the animals but, like
we were talking, hunters do morefor conservation than any group
imaginable.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We love the animals more too, we do.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We want them.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
You can drive 12 Teslas at once and you're not
going to do half of what huntersdo for animals, but it means
you just heard.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
if anyone listens to this, heard my coon hounds
howling upstairs.
You know I love coon hunting.
Do I want to see more coonsaround?
Yeah, I do.
Actually, I don't hate them atall.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I love hunting them.
I love seeing coons.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I love seeing them right Bear have such a bad rap.
I've shot, I've killed bear,but I won't shoot a bear, just
shoot a bear.
I love watching bear and Ispend more time watching live
bear while hunting than I'veactually harvested.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Really Absolutely, and that's normal.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I will go bear hunting just to get him within
14 yards of a bear.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You'll look at a bear some days and just not even
shoot it, oh yeah, absolutely,absolutely.
Even if it's like a decent sizeeh.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I've had bear walk under me and just just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Watch it, you're you're there with nature, the
ghost of the woods yeah, hedoesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He doesn't know you're there.
You've you fooled him.
You've already won.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That's pretty cool when you're hunting bear too.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I find you're there.
I can hear deer any day over abear coming in, and then all of
a sudden you just there's a bear.
It's like how the hell did heget in?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
there, it's that silent noise.
Yeah, I remember I had someonehunting with me and there were
squirrels running around.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh, you can hear them .
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And they'd look over me like is it a bear, Is it a
hunt?
And I'm like bear's coming.
And they looked and startedlaughing yeah Right, and I'm
like no bears coming, Like getready.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And they couldn't hear a thing.
And it's just that one silentnoise you hear.
It's almost like a silent noise.
Everything gets quiet, you canfeel it, and that bear shows up
in front of you.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, I find, as humans, having hunted bear stuff
, as a fellow predator.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
really, I feel you can feel it when they're coming
in, you almost tune into it,yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, Because we're another.
I guess you consider us like anapex predator as well, right,
yeah, and like you say, you tuneinto it.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
You can just feel that there's another predator
coming in, something's coming,yeah, like you say, you tune
into it.
You can just feel that there'sanother predator coming in here.
Something's coming, yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy for beingsuch a big animal to walk up on
you just like nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
A bear knows every step it makes, Unless it's
scared and it takes off running.
A bear chooses where it steps.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Really.
And if you bait a bear spot andit's a heavy used bear spot,
you'll see his tracks goingthrough the woods.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He'll just keep using the same path.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
They will step in the same footprint time after time,
it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah.
So, um, I want to talk to you abit more about Turkey, cause
that season's coming up.
Yeah, fired up about it.
Uh.
So what's another?
Like you've, you've been onquite a few Turkey hunts here.
What's a really good, memorableone that stuck out, where
you're calling it in with yourcalls?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
uh well, the first one with my call was with sean
black okay yeah, uh, that wasanother opening day turkey.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So you were guiding, he got his tag and you were kind
of helping I wasn't guiding, itwas.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It was kind of like two people going out moose
hunting yeah so I was callingand and he was hunting and he
got educated that day and Ilearned lots too Okay, cause he
seen them across the field andhe went running across the field
.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I sat down on a rock.
You think you can do that?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No no you can't.
But you think you can.
He's going to kill me forsaying that, but we both learned
a lot that day, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Wait, what'd you say his name was?
No, I'm just kidding sean greatgreat guy sean, if you're
listening.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We're sorry.
He's gonna listen because I'mgonna tell him about this.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But I mean, I've been in maine with a buddy of mine,
like we're out bearhound huntingand then, um, just we got time
where I was driving around theygot so many turkeys in maine and
like you see them, I was likeI'm gonna get out of the truck
and like run up to them orwhatever, and he's like no,
you're not, I'm like yeah, I amjust open up the truck door and
go, and yeah, they're gone yeah,like you can't run up on them.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
They're all doors even.
But now there's there's yardbirds that are used to people
too, but they're not.
They're not the, the crazywoods turkeys that that are hard
to hunt.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah anyway, so continue your story.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Sorry, so, anyways, sean black harvesting turkey
opening day, and that, that tomcoming behind us just screaming
and spitting.
It was hilarious because he wassitting beside me and I
couldn't see, but he was.
He was sweating and the sun wasto our left and the turkey
walked by our blind and youcould see the silhouette of the
(27:23):
turkey on the side of the blindand it was just, it was awesome
Like that was.
That was the first one I seenwas witnessed with my call.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So you, you did you have a pot call, yeah, calling
them in, I believe that was callnumber 37.
Okay that I made, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I gave it to Sean.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Money.
Can't pay for that call.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So it's, it's Sean's call now it's.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Sean's turkey yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And I was super proud and we had a lot of good laughs
up there and it was good it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So the biggest thing you've learned, like you said,
turkey hunting is like you knowjust how well they can see.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Oh yeah and stuff like that, yeah, yeah they.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you learn to uh, to talk turkey?
Like YouTube videos or justbeing out in the field Lots of
watching videos, but nothing islike being in the field and
watching them react.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
So, yeah, that's what I'm.
Yeah, that's what I'm excitedto start doing next.
I've seen more turkeys in thepast week than I have, but I've
never gone out calling withoutbeing in season and hunting.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So I don't just, I don't just fire up the birds
with my calls.
Yeah, so all my practicing isat home in the house, but it's
when I'm in the field guiding ormentoring, that's when I'm
working the call and seeing howthey respond to the different
calls I'm making.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, so yeah, whether it's purrs or or yelps
or little pucks or stuff yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Back to the call thing there real quick.
Is it just you making your owncalls?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yep just me Sole employee Employee of the month
every month.
Now I did let Wesley and Well,I saw Wesley Tebow.
Yeah, he, he made his own.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Diagram call.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Shout out.
I saw he made his own diaphragmcall.
So, all right, here's anotherthing.
So I'm, I'm, I'm all new tothis.
I've been playing, I've got, Ithink, one two, three four, five
, six different diaphragm callsplaying around with single read,
triple read and all that.
But then the different cuts.
Yeah, you want to get into thata little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
They're all going to sound different, and it's not
just the cuts.
Well, how many?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
cuts.
I mean you can cut it a lot ofdifferent ways.
There's a million combinations.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, so you haven't even get into stretches, cause
you just go by, call it Canadiantire and you're getting what
they sell you.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I mean so.
I mean I got some off Amazon Umand I also got some from from
nature's voice game calls shoutout.
That was a.
That was a double read and theysaid that was a good one to
start with, and they were right.
Yeah, they were definitelyright.
Um, shout out, michael booth,uh, in west virginia.
So now I've got into the triplereads they are harder to blow,
(29:57):
but the sounds better, yeah, butso there's like your reverse
combo cut your batwing, cut allthat I mean.
obviously, like you said, youcan cut them a million different
ways, but are there yourstandard?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
cuts.
So a lot of the standard cutsare like the V cut, the batwing
ghost.
Those are your three mostcommon cuts.
Then you get into the combosand there's so many different
modified cuts.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So what's the cuts?
Just change the sound and stufflike that It'll change how the
latex vibrates.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
If you want it, right there above there there's a
black pouch.
Yep, right there, yep, so openthat I'll show Zach quick, but
to go even further than the cuts.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
There's latex thicknesses and how much it's
stretched.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So the guys in the States are so advanced compared
to us because they've done it solong?
Yeah, they're looking for aspecific sound.
So then they go to their callmaker.
They're trying out differentcalls, different stretches,
different, to get the soundthey're looking for.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah.
So how did you play with mycalls here?
How did you come up with whatyou liked to make?
I guess Just trial and error,really?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, you just make a bunch and whatever is appealing
to you.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, and then I heard I was reading of stuff
about the big thing, about don'tlet the reeds stick together.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, that's.
That's awful.
I just posted a video.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'm just screwing with that right now On my page
about that.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So what's the reeds like?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
So these Layers of latex, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So there's three layers there.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
The black stuff or the green?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
stuff, this stuff right here, it's different
colors.
Yeah, yeah, that's the reeds.
So yeah, don't let them sticktogether.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
When they dry they will stick together.
So you got to get them good andslobbery, and you should
probably clean them with freshwater and keep them in the
fridge.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I've heard that.
And even mouthwash, yeah, oryou can put the mouthwash and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And don't leave them in your car.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Like the heat will break down the latex I'll first,
and guys putting them in theirwallet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I probablyhave something in my wall.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Really well, I'm a call maker.
My wallet, I want my mouthnothing.
It's disgusting.
You want to put a hundreddollar bill in your mouth.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
No, that's the difference between you and me.
They say money is the dirtiestthing you can handle.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's good, yeah, the reason hell, that's supposed to
sound like turkey the reeds arestuck together, yeah what?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
in the hell that's supposed to sound like turkey.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
The reeds are stuck together.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah that doesn't really sound like a turkey, does
it?
That sounds a little different.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, the reeds are stuck together a bit.
So how did you decide whatreeds to, or what cuts?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I guess, like I said, to Well, there's the standard
cut, so obviously you're goingto do the bat wing, the combos
the.
V split.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And then if anybody wants anything, specific, you
just cut them.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But that, yeah, that's what it looks like, zach,
it was just as hard learningthe cuts as it was to operate
the press itself.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Really?
Oh yeah, because you're cuttingthem by hand with fly tying
scissors, oh yeah.
So how do you get that curve inthere itself?
Really?
Oh yeah, cause you're cuttingthem by hand with a fly tying
scissors.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Oh yeah, so how do you get that curve in there?
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's something you get to learn.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And how do?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
you do it over and over the same every time, each
one's cut individually.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That would be the hardest thing.
Yeah, make them all the same.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I've messed a lot up.
I bet couple hundred calls thathave just gone to the garbage.
But as a call maker you have todo that, you have to have your
trial and error, you have tolearn and you can't let
something go to your shop that'snot to your standards no,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
No, you can't sell people junk, especially in a
place like this, where you'renot like selling stuff through a
retail store, like you know allyour customers and yeah, right
well, even if you are sellingthrough retail stores, you you
don't want that bad rap.
Yeah, yeah, exactly For sure.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's neat yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So what's in the future for River's Edge?
A lot more learning, a lot morelearning, a lot more learning.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You can't stop learning, Like when it comes to
call making, if you think youknow it all you shouldn't be
doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, I see you get into predator calls too, a
little bit the diaphragm ones.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I do have rabbit squealers.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, I've made some coyote calls diaphragm yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Are they hard to make or just about?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
easy, same as the turkey Just playing around with
it.
It's just different thicknesses, latex and stretches.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Well, yeah, that's what I was reading about too.
It's just yeah, that's what Iwas I was reading about too.
It's just yeah.
This, how tight it's stretched,will greatly affect the same
Like there's quite a bit to it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The spacing of the latex makes a difference, really
.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, See, I thought they were all the same.
No no.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I know mine were just stuck together there, but um,
I've heard take all the same.
No, there's a lot more tomaking a call than there is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
There is, and I've got a lot to learn and I'll I'll
admit that right now.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, so how long have you been doing this for?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Uh.
The diaphragm calls yeah.
Two and a half months.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So you're fairly new to it.
I, that would be consideredfairly new Zach.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, but I've sent these diaphragms to guys in the
States and I've gotten somereally good feedback and I've
made some adjustments.
And there's more adjustments tobe made and there will always
be adjustments.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
But it's going to be different in everyone's mouth
too, when everyone preferssomething different.
I'm still trying to figure outwhat works for me.
Everybody's looking for adifferent sound.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, like myself, I like a raspy mouth call Okay.
Yeah, like myself, I like araspy mouth call Okay yeah.
And that's not raspy at all.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
No no.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I should have brought some on the mouth calls.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
When we're off here.
I'm going to really warm her upand I'll see what you think of
it after.
I'm not going to put ourlisteners through that.
But, yeah, no, it's beeninteresting just learning the
different cuts and how I findthere and then you know just
maneuvering your teeth andtongue and mouth, how you're
blowing the air through yourmouth and across your tongue and
across the call, yeah.
(35:50):
Well, I know one of the championcallers in the States, Bo
Brooks.
He's got really big gap teethand I guess people have made the
comment before about his gapteeth.
Help him call.
He's like I'm not saying theydo or they don't, but I'm not
getting my teeth fixed.
And then I was telling daltonthat and dalton's got his front
tooth missing.
It's a fake one because of hisbrother with a hockey thing.
Dalton's like so if I took mytooth that'd be good.
(36:12):
I'm like you might be you mightbe.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
This guy probably has thousands and thousands and
thousands of hours.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Oh, yeah, just practicing yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, like for me to grab my pot, call and play it
and one of you guys to grab it.
You're going to hear twodifferent sounds.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Oh, I believe you have to play that pot call.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
But when I'm all right, Zach, watch your shit.
Talk there on my podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
When I make strikers, for example, if I make 20
strikers, I'm taking those 20strikers and I'm playing them
against five different pots.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So I've just played 100 calls, 100 different
combinations, so the strikerthat you work on the pot call
itself can can change the entiresound the length really the
length of striker the diameter,the weight of the handle, it
everything changes everythingthis is like such a science more
in-depth science thing than Iever thought.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And I really don't know, anything about it, like
I'm learning.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, that sounded good, so you know something
about it.
Well, it sounded good to us,yeah, yeah, if I was a turkey,
I'd come into you.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
All these calls have killed turkey.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, well, so it works.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
So it does work.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But it's interesting.
I mean, that's the cool thing.
It sounds like it doesn'tmatter who you are, you'll never
hit that peak, you'll alwayskeep learning, yeah Right.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
You've always got to be learning.
You've always got to try to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Even if you're a massive commercial company like
there's always something tolearn.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
So really the length the diameter, the wood obviously
you know what you use, yeah, soover time obviously you'll mess
around with that stuff and I'vealready messed around with it
like my number one call.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I told you guys how much I liked it.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
My insides are completely different now and I
still like that number one callso would you ever, so you
remember making it and how youmade it exactly?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I've got my recipes written down.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Even with my mouth calls so would you ever make
that call again?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I absolutely could yeah that's Because I got the
measurements, so I mean a lot ofthis for you has been trial and
error.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Oh yeah, Everything's trial and error.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Your thicknesses of your wall, your shelf thickness,
your shelf width, yeah, yourdepth.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah that too.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean the depth of the, the back of the
call.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, I see the back of the call.
You've got a bunch of holesthrough it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yep, that's where the sound comes out, okay.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
So it's going to have that.
That was my next question.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
And that center hole is how I connect it to the lathe
.
All right, what's?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
the lathe.
It's a wood lathe.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
It turns and you turn .
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Okay, back of it, make that's what the sound comes
from okay so, all right,picture this as a guitar, an
acoustic guitar yeah, I'm not aguitar player but you've seen an
acoustic guitar uh, what's,what's in the front of the?
Guitar.
Behind the strings a hole?
Yes, and that's where the soundcomes out of, from the strings
vibrating okay yep, so if youtook some of those holes off.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
it would change up the sound quite a bit oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Would you ever Cause there's a hole all the way
around it.
And.
But if you say you took twoholes out, it completely it'll
make it louder, quieter yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, there's quite a bit bigger the holes.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's going tochange the sound.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yes, that's pretty neat.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
A lot to it, a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, zach, I don't think you gave it much thought.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And really.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I didn't either, until I got into trial and error
.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, I mean, I hope people listen to this and maybe
they do, but when they look at acall next time they're going to
give it a lot more appreciation, and they do, because they'll
tell me this isn't no CanadianTire $20 call.
Yeah, well, that's where thecut is I was going to say those
handmade calls should beappreciated.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I've been told that today yeah, certainly.
And it's nice to hear thatpeople look at these calls and
they see them and they feel themand they feel the quality.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And they appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's all handmade.
Yeah, and each diaphragm callhas been blown on by you.
No, they do contain latex,though.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
I'd tell people that Like yeah, no, I've tried them
all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Just wait to spit off but, it's new Enough.
All right, you don't try them.
No, because what is it?
Was it the duck commander?
They blow on all their calls.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Spit free of charge.
Yeah, I was just like.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I have heard that I can't imagine.
It's true, though.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I saw it on their TV show.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
TV and what they do.
Reality TV is not realitythough.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, we're going to have a discussion after this
Well no, it's not though right.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Should buy one and get it tested for DNA.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, I like this thing's full of spit.
You could fill a freaking glasswith it.
I've never used a duckcommander duck call?
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Never in my life, is that so are you gonna you think
you'll get branch more into duckand goose calls?
There's six at the show rightnow.
Okay, I might have to come seeyou.
Yeah, there's a change in mymind, there's only six, there's
only six, there's only six.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I came with ten.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh, and they were only a half day today.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
So what you're saying is don't have breakfast and
coffee.
You can probably have breakfastand coffee.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
The show starts at 10 .
So have breakfast have coffee.
But come to the show.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
So if somebody's looking to buy a call from you,
you ship all over North Americaand beyond.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't think there's any point, I will.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Do they have turkeys in Europe or Uzbekistan?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Probably not, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So where can they find you?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Well, they can find me on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
So Facebook message is a good way.
The.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
River's Edge Game Calls page yeah, or my phone
number, just text, or call me,which is do you want to give
that out on here?
Speaker 5 (41:48):
do I have a?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
business card.
I don't even know my cellnumber well, yeah, I don't know
we'll get it you sent to me.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I'll put it on the when we start the podcast there.
Um yeah, because, like I said,I'm pumped up.
I'm excited to use that.
Now that you've made it sound,I've just I know how it's
supposed to.
Yeah, you did destroy it, butnow I know how it's supposed to
sound, so I've got that.
You know, quality in my ears,kind of thing.
But anyways, from one ken toanother.
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Again, I can't thank you enoughfor coming on I'm excited to
use your call it looks greattill next time thank you.
This is Huntsman Outfitting Podcast.
I'm your host and rookie guide,ken Meyer.
I love everything hunting theoutdoors and all things
associated with it, from storiesto how-tos.
You'll find it here.
Welcome to the podcast.
Hey, thanks for tuning in tothis week's episode If you like
it and, you know, I hope thatyou share it out.
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So a lot of times when we buysomething, we hope that it works
and does what it's supposed todo, but we usually don't look
into how it's built, what makesit work and everything that goes
together with it.
Well, today on the podcast weare talking to animal call maker
Kenneth McDonald and get abehind the scenes chat into the
(01:09):
call making world, along withgetting to know him and why he
started doing it.
We also get into some turkeyhunting talk and near the end of
the podcast you will hear howmy turkey calling needs some
serious practice.
I'm working on it.
You also hear two other voiceson this podcast Dalton Patterson
, who has been on lots beforeand is interested in the call
(01:31):
making, and my nephew, zach, whohappened to be down visiting
and is learning about hunting ingeneral.
So enjoy.
So, from one Ken to anothergreat name, and I'm excited to
have you on.
How did you get into hunting?
Have you always been hunting?
One Ken to another great nameand, uh, I'm excited to have you
on.
Uh, how did you get?
How'd you get into hunting?
Have you always been hunting,or did the calls come second?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I've always loved the woods.
I always loved being in thewoods, uh, up and down the
streams in South Hampton.
Uh, dream to the day I could gobird hunting.
Uh my grandfather was a hunternot a good hunter, but he was a
hunter Hunter nonetheless yeah.
I showed him up when it come topartridge when I turned 14, but
uh, yeah no, I've always,always, loved the woods and
always dreamed of being in thewoods when I was young, so
(02:13):
you've always had a passion forit.
I've always had a passion forit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
So you grew up in, uh , was it kind of central?
Okay, yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, that works.
Yeah, Um, so you've always,you've always been in the woods
and then you know, so you makegame calls there's edge game
calls.
Um so, how, like I was justsaying, I'm curious how does
somebody you know you hear theseanimals talking in the woods?
You're like I'm going to try tomimic that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But, what?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
what got you to do it ?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I've always loved woodworking, always love
work woodworking, likethroughout high school love shop
class.
So in 2021, I drew a tag forthe first ever season here in
New Brunswick.
No idea anything about turkeyhunting, yep.
Um, I think the draw was Sundaynight at 1201.
I was off Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And there was for New Brunswick.
I mean, that was the first yearturkey hunting.
There wasn't many tags.
No, your odds were slim.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think there was 500 , maybe, maybe, if that.
So I was off that Monday of thedraw and I run right to
Canadian Tire.
Yeah, I bought a choke for my870.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Turkey choke and a Primo's pot call.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, and scratched the call up.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The old classic Primo's.
All I could do was Yelps on it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, that's all I could do, and I practiced from
that day until night beforeopening you had it all worn out.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was more like helped instead of Yelps.
Yeah, sort of thing yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And I had no idea what I was doing.
I tried to find as muchinformation on turkey hunting as
I could and I asked a lot ofquestions, lots of YouTube
videos.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's kind of what I'm doing now, cause I'm going
turkey hunting for the firsttime this year.
So yeah, youtube podcast andasking, podcasting, asking
people.
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So so I drew the tag.
Opening morning came and I hitthe field.
And opening day I did it.
Yeah, I called in a Tom.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
With, with the old Primo's, With the Primo's puck,
call Yep.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And all I could do was yelp.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And that was enough.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That was enough that that first gobble and it just
starts punching you in the chest.
Yeah, and I mean, everythingwent blank, except for me and
that turkey.
I had a video camera with meand I could have videoed my hunt
.
All I do is hit record.
Were you in a ground blind?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I was in a ground blind in the middle of a field.
Yeah.
So it's where I seen turkeys,but your first turkey hunt.
I mean that, from what I'veheard, like their eyesight's
incredible, incredible, theirhearing's incredible.
They said that they could smell.
We'd never get any and youthought I'm going to kick it up
a notch, I'm going to try toeven film it.
Yeah, my first turkey hunt withthis old Primo's call.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So all right, and I didn't even hit record.
Oh, really, did not even hitrecord, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And it was exciting leave.
I did it opening day for aseason.
Yeah, so I spent the next yearlooking at that pot call.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Actually, it wasn't even a year, so you, you never
grew up thinking like I'd liketo make calls.
No, I've never.
I've never dreamed of it Really.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Never dreamed of it.
So I looked at this pot calland I'm looking at it and
looking at it and looking at itand like, well, I could do
better.
I know there wood lathe, yeah,and I just I just went at it.
It was early march of 2022 andI built five pot calls that day
and I like the first one themost and, yeah, that's kind of
(05:34):
the design I went with.
Yeah, internally, becauseoutside they all look the same
or similar, but it's the insidesthat really make the call the
call so how?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
yes, you got.
So you got this Prima's callfrom Canadian Tire store here in
Canada.
And you just went, analyzed itvisually and like I can make
this you could see through it,because it was clear plastic.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So you could see the two layers.
Well, the top layer was crystaland then there was a layer of
glass.
You can see the pedestal andI'm just thinking like I could
do this, and I actually designedone with the cricket app.
Did you go on like youtube?
I did go on youtube and Iwatched a lot of threads okay
how they work and stuff yeah,yeah, but there's a lot of
(06:19):
threads and if you takeinformation from everybody, like
the pedestal widths and heightsand everything, and I just put
something together and I likethe first one I made.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, see, I thought, because I know you do grunt
toots and all that I thought youstarted with that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
No oh.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, that was for the off-season too.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh, okay, yeah, that's how I thought you started
so there's multiple seasons.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You could have multiple.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yes, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I'm slowly expanding my line.
Yeah, so the buck grunts weresecond.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, so I guess we'll jump into the the buck
grunts a little bit and then,you know, back to the turkey
talk.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
What's the name of your business, stu?
River's Edge Game Calls callsokay has to do with the riverine
well, the wood lathe, I wasoverlooking the river.
Okay, perfect right on the edgeright on the edge of the
riverbank.
Yeah, yeah up st john river.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's neat if I look to the right.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I can see the mactaquack dam straight down.
I see the fish hatchery in thewater that's a good work
woodworking spot.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't get much done.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's like looking at the fish look at the day better
name's Edge.
I'm on the edge of the river,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And it's easy to remember and stuff.
So, all right, well, let's,let's.
Like I said, I want to get backinto the turkey stuff for a
while.
But how did you the buck grunts?
How did that come about?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, I want to be a deer hunter.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, yeah, no-transcript you had I just
(08:06):
called from canadian tire,walmart or whatever.
You just kind of analyzed itand like I can make it no I,
just I.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I, we've all seen them, we've all had them.
Yeah, the cheap buck gruntsfrom canadian tire and I
actually still have one, do you?
I do too my grandfather's I gotthem yeah I'll never get rid of
it.
Yeah, but uh, just I visualizedwhat I wanted to build because
my tube is wood, where this tubeon the Canadian Tire one was
like a plastic.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Plastic.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, like what are they Generic yeah, plastic.
Yeah, like a gas can yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Actually mine did taste a little fumey yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I think that's what they look like.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's whatthey look like yeah.
Yeah, Anyways, I wanted aone-piece buck grunt and I just
I made one and it sounded greatand people wanted them.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, now with the buck grunts when you're making
yours made out of wood.
They're all custom handmade.
Does the wood matter for thosewith the sound?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, I don't find the wood does matter with them more
of them is is the reeds.
And yeah, and adjusting theo-ring on the tone board, right,
right, yeah, okay, probably thelength of the tube would make a
difference yeah, because what's?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
the longer it sounds like a younger buck and the
shorter it's an older buck.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I think, yeah, it would be deeper, more throaty if
it was longer, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, yeah, I haven't used them a whole.
Actually, the one that I callmy bucket with this year.
I was just quacking away on itlike I was on Duck Commander,
but that wasn't even adjustable.
It's like a I can't rememberthe brand, but it wasn't even
adjustable and he just straightrubber.
But yeah, um, okay, so that'syou got it, that's what you get
into the buck.
Yeah, yeah, no, that makessense.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, then there's rat squealers and there's
squirrel calls and what else is?
I've done some duck calls.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, that's a whole other world too.
The duck calls oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, I'm not a duck hunter, so I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know much about duck calls but just blow
it like yeah, that sounds like aduck sure.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I've bought the reeds and I've thrown them together
and people love them.
Yeah yeah, it brings the ducksout.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, you fiddled around with duck calls a bit.
Some of all my calls to to playon the podcast, yeah, um sure.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Brought one for me to play with.
Yeah, might've bought it.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You coming to the show this week.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You should come to the show, okay.
Well, that was a kind ofclimatic there, Dalton.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Um, yeah, there's a sportsman show going on, then
you're set up there this weekend.
Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Canadian wild Turkey Federation.
And um cause, you also got intomaking the diaphragm calls.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Uh, just recently.
That's, that's very new to me.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Um, took me about 200 to learn how to use my press
Really.
Yeah Cause, yeah so.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just started, you know, playing around with those,
but a month ago and I've, I've,I'm feeling better at it.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's like anything the more you use it, the more
you're going to learn.
And you're going to learnlittle tricks and little sounds,
and you're just going to evolveand keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's all about just playing with your tongue and
your teeth and
Speaker 1 (11:14):
your lips and everything.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Just learning how to make it talk yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
So to a non.
I would call myself anon-turkey hunter.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I would too.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
A diaphragm versus a.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Diaphragms are the hardest to learn, so what would
be the advantage to them?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, you're not moving your hands.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah it'd be the movement.
So the diaphragm's hands-free.
So if you've got a turkey at 50yards and he can see you and
you've got a gun in your hand,you can't drop your gun and
start calling with the pot.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Fair, got a gun in your hand.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
You can't, you can't drop your gun and start calling
with the pot.
Fair enough, that's where themouth call.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
And also the fact that not everyone can do it, so
you can say I called in with mymouth, that's right.
Yeah, half of it is just ego.
Yeah, well, yeah, okay, well Iwouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I wouldn't say it's ego, it's hands free, yeah, you,
you can't move when a turkey'slooking at you see, I never even
thought of that yeah, if youmove, he's gone.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
yeah, he's so it's kind of like a two in one.
It's in your mouth, you'regobbling at the same time as you
can shoot him.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Well, you're doing.
You're doing yelps, okay, causethe Tom's gobble.
So you're mimicking a hen.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I've never hunted Turkey in my
life.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, never, ever.
So you're making is is the potcalls sound the best?
Yeah, um, the box calls.
They really reach out andthey're easy to use.
Okay, and the mouth calls thediaphragms.
They're hands-free, so are yougoing to get?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
into the box, because you make everything else what
are those?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
maybe eventually, okay, it's, it's all learning
process yeah, yeah, it's allmore finicky to make, or?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't even know because I've never tried.
It's all thicknesses andfriction.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm prodding myself in learning the diaphragm, being
able to call a turkey with that, but everything I've read about
it is the fact that that's whyI wanted to get scratch calls,
pot calls, slate call from you.
Also, I wanted the nice customone.
It looks cool.
And the fact that I've beentold that you need that variety.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You should have all the calls.
Really, that's what I've heard.
I don't make box calls, but goget yourself a box call.
That's what I've heard.
Yeah, yeah, like, use, use allthe tools to your advantage, and
it doesn't matter if you buy itfrom me or Canadian tire wear.
Use all the tools.
So, um, we're going to get intothe?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
uh, so is it.
Is it called a pot, call aslate call scratch.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They're all pot calls .
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, so then All those words are the same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So the calls I'm building are pot calls, but the
materials in the call can change.
Like you can have glass overglass, glass over slate, slate
over glass, crystal over glass,crystal over slate, copper,
aluminum, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Okay, aluminum.
Like you scratch on thealuminum, I've got some aluminum
ones at the show right now.
Are those?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
like really high pitched.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
They're really high pitched Okay and some people
really like that yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, I've got a couple of really nice aluminum
calls.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
So the one that you made melooks awesome, looks awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's glass over glass .
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And that gives me the option to do custom soundboards
, like I've done for you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Because if I put slate on this, we're not going
to see your soundboard, rightyeah?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And that's why I think people really love the
glass on glass, because I cantake my call and make it yours,
yep, and people lovepersonalized and custom.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, Like well, like we were talking earlier, so I
didn't know.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
you have to take sandpaper and wreck the front of
the call with it Basically, andthat's the way people feel
about it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, but how you said, so some people get to, I
actually I probably will getanother one just to keep it all
pristine and stuff Like Iwouldn't even need a scratcher
with it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I'll just I get you a different wood dowel.
It's going to sound a littledifferent that way you'll have
two.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, I cringed a little bit when you scratched it
.
I'll be honest, People do.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
At the show.
I'll go grab a brand new columnof sandpaper.
They're looking at me, I'm justripping right into it Just like
nails on a chalkboard.
They're like ah shit, thatcall's an $85 call and you're
scratching it and we needscratched Like I'd love
scratching.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So once there's scratched that much, there are
they.
Uh, you do you need to scratchthem again, or?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
uh, as soon as I rub my fingers on that, the oils off
my fingers are going to fill inthem grooves and it's going to
go smooth.
So it will need scratched again.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So so the way you had the call, you have it all
pristine and looking pretty nice, but that won't work.
So you, you do have to take thesandpaper, you do have to
scratch it and give her a rub.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Even like with the slate and the aluminum, you've
got to scuff it up.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You do yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay, yeah, but you don't uh, you don't use
sandpaper on slate.
Even with the Scotch, the slatejust disappear.
Oh, really oh yeah, like youcould, if you, if you spend a
day scotch bray, yeah, you canwear it through it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Really.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Oh yeah, slate is so soft, huh, yeah.
And then you get into glass,yeah, then crystals even harder.
So that's where you get yourhigher pitches sounds.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
So, uh, what one do you the best?
Like glass myself, I love theglass.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, I love the glass over glass.
Now I've I've guided hunts withglass and I've guided hunts
with slate.
They both work.
Yeah, it's all, it's allpreference.
It's like cars.
Yeah, yeah, we all likesomething different.
We're all looking for adifferent sound.
The slate is a little easierbecause it's naturally rough, so
is one heavier than the other.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Like is one made out of something different, that's a
little one heavier than theother.
Like is one made out ofsomething different, that's a
little bit heavier than theother.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think weight they're pretty close.
Slate would be a touch heavier,but it's such a small piece
You're not going to notice.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
All right, so you, uh , you, scratched mine all to
hell, uh, no.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So so what I can do if you're really fussy about?
No, it's fine, I'll actuallyprobably get another one.
So would you mind you give hera little test run?
So it's already scratched up.
We scratched it up previous.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So do you want me to move the mic here?
I'll play with it.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
So that's some prayers, yelps and some, uh yeah
, little cuts so you have to useit on the scratched part
obviously, yeah, like I'm.
I'm over here touching theother piece of the glass and
nothing, nothing, yeah, so it'sgot to be scratched so is there
a certain way you have to gowith it, or uh, so you scratch
it in one direction and you wantto play across them scratches,
(17:29):
so think of this as a musicalinstrument.
You ever seen a record?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
No, you haven't Zach.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
What's on records Bumps, so the needle plays on
bumps.
There's lines.
But then there's also bumpsinside of it.
These are the bumps.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
The bumps are.
What kind of help?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
make the music sound.
This is a musical instrument.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Learning something new today, boys.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't doubt it.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Well, that's neat.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So we were talking, you were asking Dalton this
about like so that is bird's eyemaple wood that the glass is in
.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
This one is a bird's eye maple.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
yeah, yeah, so then the different wood is going to
affect.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, different density of woods is going to
raise or lower the pitches.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So what that's the most popular?
The bird's eye maple.
Everybody loves bird's eye,yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
If you say bird's eye to someone like here, here,
bird's eye, give me bird's eye.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Everybody loves bird's eye.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Here's my money, yeah , yeah.
But so you have other densitiesand all that and that will
completely affect the salmon.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, make them higher pitched.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, that's neat.
So you've been selling callswhat all over North America?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
A lot in New Brunswick and Ontario, a few in
Maine, some in Connecticut,Massachusetts.
I've got one in Montana, one inTexas, one in New Zealand,
montana and.
Texas.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I've got a buck grunt in Nunavut.
Is there bucks to grunt in inNunavut?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
There's not but as a call maker, I want one in every
state and every province.
Yeah, so I actually sent thisone up there for free to an
Eskimo, I don't even know theEskimo?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, I thought they called things with their noses.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like you know, the Eskimo kiss A friend's husband
works up there and I'm like here, take this buck, grind, give it
to an Eskimo.
And he went to their house andthey were going nuts over it and
said they're going to call in.
It's like, holy shit, I've gotone of it.
(19:27):
That is cool.
Yeah, it was a bird's eye,because I think I saw on your
butternut.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I think I saw on your facebook you had like a
tax and a map or whatever youwere trying to get it yeah, all
over, yeah, so montana, yeah, intexas.
No, what do they have there forturkeys?
If somebody will correct me,I'm gonna have a guy on again
Walker, talking about Montanahunting.
I think they're merriams, I'mnot sure which species and
(19:52):
subspecies are where All right,this is going to be really
uneducated.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Same calls for every type of turkey.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm going to say yes, yes, as a completely uneducated
idiot on this, I'm going to sayyes too.
But I've heard that some turkeybreeds or subspecies whatever
you want to call them, you'vegot to be a lot more chatty with
.
So I've heard that the Easternscan be a bit harder.
Where you've got the Mariansand stuff.
You've got to be real yappywith them and all that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But Primos isn't building a pot called just for
Florida.
No, fair enough.
They're with them and all thatprimos isn't building a pot
called just for florida.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No, they're building one, and it's, it's going all
over.
That would be the oslo, oslo nooslo, oslo, osceola, the real
pretty one turkeys yeah, yeah,real pretty, I've seen them.
We're boar hunting there.
Yeah, you seem like man.
It's just like a, a gay lookingrainbow running by.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So so far, to my knowledge, only eastern turkeys
have been harvested with mycalls, so so for me to have one
of them, other species would bea milestone for me, so if
somebody is listening to thisand gets one.
I absolutely, I absolutely wanteverybody to send me pictures
of their harvest.
If you shoot a buck with mygrunt, I want to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes, you'd be proud of it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Cause that makes.
Did you hear that?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
zach, if you end up, that makes me a part of your
hunt.
Yeah, I'm always a part of yourhunt and that is very rewarding
as a call maker?
No for sure.
Well, that's, you helpaccomplish what?
Yeah, what you set out to do ismimic that animal and help,
just because you don't pull thetrigger.
Yeah, it doesn't make it not oh, exactly, yeah, I'm a part of
it, yeah and that's just a veryrewarding feeling see, that's
good, that's, I've gotcoonhounds upstairs, um.
(21:31):
So that, yeah, I mean as a as acall maker.
Yeah, it's really good to hearthat means that, yeah, you're
passionate, you're, you wantedyou, you got into this for the
right reasons.
It's just being a part of thathunt and helping mimic that
animal sound and bring it bringit absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
So you weekend are at the sportsman show.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Do you do any of the shows anywhere?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I haven't, but I really should be doing some of
these smaller community shows.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So you're selling those calls there too, eh?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, the CWTF lets me sell calls at their booth.
I come in and I talk turkey andI draw attention to their booth
and help them out with theirseminars.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, it's great.
I mean, the Canadian WildTurkey Federation is a branch
off from the North American WildTurkey Federation, all that and
it's good to promote it in anyway, shape or form, just to have
more turkey hunters out therefor conservation.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Well, cwtf isn't just turkey, it's conservation
across the board.
Yeah, just because we're Canadawild Turkey Federation doesn't
mean we just care about turkeys,we care about all conservation.
Yeah.
So uh, if it's fishing, deerhunting, bear hunting, whatever
we we love it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, that's, that's you know again.
So I mean you have got.
I don't know how we're gettingonto this, but it's good.
So you've got PETA and all thatright and you have to know the
animals and everything and don'tprotect the animals but, like
we were talking, hunters do morefor conservation than any group
imaginable.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We love the animals more too, we do.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
We want them.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
You can drive 12 Teslas at once and you're not
going to do half of what huntersdo for animals, but it means
you just heard.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
if anyone listens to this, heard my coon hounds
howling upstairs.
You know I love coon hunting.
Do I want to see more coonsaround?
Yeah, I do.
Actually, I don't hate them atall.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
I love hunting them.
I love seeing coons.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I love seeing them right Bear have such a bad rap.
I've shot, I've killed bear,but I won't shoot a bear, just
shoot a bear.
I love watching bear and Ispend more time watching live
bear while hunting than I'veactually harvested.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Really Absolutely, and that's normal.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I will go bear hunting just to get him within
14 yards of a bear.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You'll look at a bear some days and just not even
shoot it, oh yeah, absolutely,absolutely.
Even if it's like a decent sizeeh.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I've had bear walk under me and just just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Watch it, you're you're there with nature, the
ghost of the woods yeah, hedoesn't.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He doesn't know you're there.
You've you fooled him.
You've already won.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That's pretty cool when you're hunting bear too.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I find you're there.
I can hear deer any day over abear coming in, and then all of
a sudden you just there's a bear.
It's like how the hell did heget in?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
there, it's that silent noise.
Yeah, I remember I had someonehunting with me and there were
squirrels running around.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh, you can hear them .
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And they'd look over me like is it a bear, Is it a
hunt?
And I'm like bear's coming.
And they looked and startedlaughing yeah Right, and I'm
like no bears coming, Like getready.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And they couldn't hear a thing.
And it's just that one silentnoise you hear.
It's almost like a silent noise.
Everything gets quiet, you canfeel it, and that bear shows up
in front of you.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, I find, as humans, having hunted bear stuff
, as a fellow predator.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
really, I feel you can feel it when they're coming
in, you almost tune into it,yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, Because we're another.
I guess you consider us like anapex predator as well, right,
yeah, and like you say, you tuneinto it.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
You can just feel that there's another predator
coming in, something's coming,yeah, like you say, you tune
into it.
You can just feel that there'sanother predator coming in here.
Something's coming, yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy for beingsuch a big animal to walk up on
you just like nothing.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
A bear knows every step it makes, Unless it's
scared and it takes off running.
A bear chooses where it steps.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Really.
And if you bait a bear spot andit's a heavy used bear spot,
you'll see his tracks goingthrough the woods.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
He'll just keep using the same path.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
They will step in the same footprint time after time,
it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah.
So, um, I want to talk to you abit more about Turkey, cause
that season's coming up.
Yeah, fired up about it.
Uh.
So what's another?
Like you've, you've been onquite a few Turkey hunts here.
What's a really good, memorableone that stuck out, where
you're calling it in with yourcalls?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
uh well, the first one with my call was with sean
black okay yeah, uh, that wasanother opening day turkey.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So you were guiding, he got his tag and you were kind
of helping I wasn't guiding, itwas.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It was kind of like two people going out moose
hunting yeah so I was callingand and he was hunting and he
got educated that day and Ilearned lots too Okay, cause he
seen them across the field andhe went running across the field
.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I sat down on a rock.
You think you can do that?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
No no you can't.
But you think you can.
He's going to kill me forsaying that, but we both learned
a lot that day, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Wait, what'd you say his name was?
No, I'm just kidding sean greatgreat guy sean, if you're
listening.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We're sorry.
He's gonna listen because I'mgonna tell him about this.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But I mean, I've been in maine with a buddy of mine,
like we're out bearhound huntingand then, um, just we got time
where I was driving around theygot so many turkeys in maine and
like you see them, I was likeI'm gonna get out of the truck
and like run up to them orwhatever, and he's like no,
you're not, I'm like yeah, I amjust open up the truck door and
go, and yeah, they're gone yeah,like you can't run up on them.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
They're all doors even.
But now there's there's yardbirds that are used to people
too, but they're not.
They're not the, the crazywoods turkeys that that are hard
to hunt.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah anyway, so continue your story.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Sorry, so, anyways, sean black harvesting turkey
opening day, and that, that tomcoming behind us just screaming
and spitting.
It was hilarious because he wassitting beside me and I
couldn't see, but he was.
He was sweating and the sun wasto our left and the turkey
walked by our blind and youcould see the silhouette of the
(27:23):
turkey on the side of the blindand it was just, it was awesome
Like that was.
That was the first one I seenwas witnessed with my call.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So you, you did you have a pot call, yeah, calling
them in, I believe that was callnumber 37.
Okay that I made, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I gave it to Sean.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Money.
Can't pay for that call.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
So it's, it's Sean's call now it's.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Sean's turkey yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And I was super proud and we had a lot of good laughs
up there and it was good it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So the biggest thing you've learned, like you said,
turkey hunting is like you knowjust how well they can see.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Oh yeah and stuff like that, yeah, yeah they.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did you learn to uh, to talk turkey?
Like YouTube videos or justbeing out in the field Lots of
watching videos, but nothing islike being in the field and
watching them react.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah.
So, yeah, that's what I'm.
Yeah, that's what I'm excitedto start doing next.
I've seen more turkeys in thepast week than I have, but I've
never gone out calling withoutbeing in season and hunting.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So I don't just, I don't just fire up the birds
with my calls.
Yeah, so all my practicing isat home in the house, but it's
when I'm in the field guiding ormentoring, that's when I'm
working the call and seeing howthey respond to the different
calls I'm making.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, so yeah, whether it's purrs or or yelps
or little pucks or stuff yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Back to the call thing there real quick.
Is it just you making your owncalls?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yep just me Sole employee Employee of the month
every month.
Now I did let Wesley and Well,I saw Wesley Tebow.
Yeah, he, he made his own.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Diagram call.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Shout out.
I saw he made his own diaphragmcall.
So, all right, here's anotherthing.
So I'm, I'm, I'm all new tothis.
I've been playing, I've got, Ithink, one two, three four, five
, six different diaphragm callsplaying around with single read,
triple read and all that.
But then the different cuts.
Yeah, you want to get into thata little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
They're all going to sound different, and it's not
just the cuts.
Well, how many?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
cuts.
I mean you can cut it a lot ofdifferent ways.
There's a million combinations.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, so you haven't even get into stretches, cause
you just go by, call it Canadiantire and you're getting what
they sell you.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I mean so.
I mean I got some off Amazon Umand I also got some from from
nature's voice game calls shoutout.
That was a.
That was a double read and theysaid that was a good one to
start with, and they were right.
Yeah, they were definitelyright.
Um, shout out, michael booth,uh, in west virginia.
So now I've got into the triplereads they are harder to blow,
(29:57):
but the sounds better, yeah, butso there's like your reverse
combo cut your batwing, cut allthat I mean.
obviously, like you said, youcan cut them a million different
ways, but are there yourstandard?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
cuts.
So a lot of the standard cutsare like the V cut, the batwing
ghost.
Those are your three mostcommon cuts.
Then you get into the combosand there's so many different
modified cuts.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
So what's the cuts?
Just change the sound and stufflike that It'll change how the
latex vibrates.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
If you want it, right there above there there's a
black pouch.
Yep, right there, yep, so openthat I'll show Zach quick, but
to go even further than the cuts.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
There's latex thicknesses and how much it's
stretched.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So the guys in the States are so advanced compared
to us because they've done it solong?
Yeah, they're looking for aspecific sound.
So then they go to their callmaker.
They're trying out differentcalls, different stretches,
different, to get the soundthey're looking for.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah.
So how did you play with mycalls here?
How did you come up with whatyou liked to make?
I guess Just trial and error,really?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, you just make a bunch and whatever is appealing
to you.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, and then I heard I was reading of stuff
about the big thing, about don'tlet the reeds stick together.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, that's.
That's awful.
I just posted a video.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'm just screwing with that right now On my page
about that.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So what's the reeds like?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
So these Layers of latex, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So there's three layers there.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
The black stuff or the green?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
stuff, this stuff right here, it's different
colors.
Yeah, yeah, that's the reeds.
So yeah, don't let them sticktogether.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
When they dry they will stick together.
So you got to get them good andslobbery, and you should
probably clean them with freshwater and keep them in the
fridge.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I've heard that.
And even mouthwash, yeah, oryou can put the mouthwash and
stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And don't leave them in your car.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Like the heat will break down the latex I'll first,
and guys putting them in theirwallet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I probablyhave something in my wall.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Really well, I'm a call maker.
My wallet, I want my mouthnothing.
It's disgusting.
You want to put a hundreddollar bill in your mouth.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
No, that's the difference between you and me.
They say money is the dirtiestthing you can handle.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's good, yeah, the reason hell, that's supposed to
sound like turkey the reeds arestuck together, yeah what?
Speaker 4 (32:27):
in the hell that's supposed to sound like turkey.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
The reeds are stuck together.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah that doesn't really sound like a turkey, does
it?
That sounds a little different.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
No, the reeds are stuck together a bit.
So how did you decide whatreeds to, or what cuts?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I guess, like I said, to Well, there's the standard
cut, so obviously you're goingto do the bat wing, the combos
the.
V split.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And then if anybody wants anything, specific, you
just cut them.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But that, yeah, that's what it looks like, zach,
it was just as hard learningthe cuts as it was to operate
the press itself.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Really?
Oh yeah, because you're cuttingthem by hand with fly tying
scissors, oh yeah.
So how do you get that curve inthere itself?
Really?
Oh yeah, cause you're cuttingthem by hand with a fly tying
scissors.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Oh yeah, so how do you get that curve in there?
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's something you get to learn.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And how do?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
you do it over and over the same every time, each
one's cut individually.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That would be the hardest thing.
Yeah, make them all the same.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I've messed a lot up.
I bet couple hundred calls thathave just gone to the garbage.
But as a call maker you have todo that, you have to have your
trial and error, you have tolearn and you can't let
something go to your shop that'snot to your standards no,
that's right.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
No, you can't sell people junk, especially in a
place like this, where you'renot like selling stuff through a
retail store, like you know allyour customers and yeah, right
well, even if you are sellingthrough retail stores, you you
don't want that bad rap.
Yeah, yeah, exactly For sure.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's neat yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So what's in the future for River's Edge?
A lot more learning, a lot morelearning, a lot more learning.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
You can't stop learning, Like when it comes to
call making, if you think youknow it all you shouldn't be
doing it.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Well, I see you get into predator calls too, a
little bit the diaphragm ones.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I do have rabbit squealers.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, I've made some coyote calls diaphragm yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Are they hard to make or just about?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
easy, same as the turkey Just playing around with
it.
It's just different thicknesses, latex and stretches.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Well, yeah, that's what I was reading about too.
It's just yeah, that's what Iwas I was reading about too.
It's just yeah.
This, how tight it's stretched,will greatly affect the same
Like there's quite a bit to it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
The spacing of the latex makes a difference, really
.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, See, I thought they were all the same.
No no.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I know mine were just stuck together there, but um,
I've heard take all the same.
No, there's a lot more tomaking a call than there is.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
There is, and I've got a lot to learn and I'll I'll
admit that right now.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, so how long have you been doing this for?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Uh.
The diaphragm calls yeah.
Two and a half months.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So you're fairly new to it.
I, that would be consideredfairly new Zach.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, but I've sent these diaphragms to guys in the
States and I've gotten somereally good feedback and I've
made some adjustments.
And there's more adjustments tobe made and there will always
be adjustments.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
But it's going to be different in everyone's mouth
too, when everyone preferssomething different.
I'm still trying to figure outwhat works for me.
Everybody's looking for adifferent sound.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, like myself, I like a raspy mouth call Okay.
Yeah, like myself, I like araspy mouth call Okay yeah.
And that's not raspy at all.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
No no.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I should have brought some on the mouth calls.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
When we're off here.
I'm going to really warm her upand I'll see what you think of
it after.
I'm not going to put ourlisteners through that.
But, yeah, no, it's beeninteresting just learning the
different cuts and how I findthere and then you know just
maneuvering your teeth andtongue and mouth, how you're
blowing the air through yourmouth and across your tongue and
across the call, yeah.
(35:50):
Well, I know one of the championcallers in the States, Bo
Brooks.
He's got really big gap teethand I guess people have made the
comment before about his gapteeth.
Help him call.
He's like I'm not saying theydo or they don't, but I'm not
getting my teeth fixed.
And then I was telling daltonthat and dalton's got his front
tooth missing.
It's a fake one because of hisbrother with a hockey thing.
Dalton's like so if I took mytooth that'd be good.
(36:12):
I'm like you might be you mightbe.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
This guy probably has thousands and thousands and
thousands of hours.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Oh, yeah, just practicing yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, like for me to grab my pot, call and play it
and one of you guys to grab it.
You're going to hear twodifferent sounds.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Oh, I believe you have to play that pot call.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
But when I'm all right, Zach, watch your shit.
Talk there on my podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
When I make strikers, for example, if I make 20
strikers, I'm taking those 20strikers and I'm playing them
against five different pots.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So I've just played 100 calls, 100 different
combinations, so the strikerthat you work on the pot call
itself can can change the entiresound the length really the
length of striker the diameter,the weight of the handle, it
everything changes everythingthis is like such a science more
in-depth science thing than Iever thought.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And I really don't know, anything about it, like
I'm learning.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, that sounded good, so you know something
about it.
Well, it sounded good to us,yeah, yeah, if I was a turkey,
I'd come into you.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
All these calls have killed turkey.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, well, so it works.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
So it does work.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But it's interesting.
I mean, that's the cool thing.
It sounds like it doesn'tmatter who you are, you'll never
hit that peak, you'll alwayskeep learning, yeah Right.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
You've always got to be learning.
You've always got to try to bebetter.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Even if you're a massive commercial company like
there's always something tolearn.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
So really the length the diameter, the wood obviously
you know what you use, yeah, soover time obviously you'll mess
around with that stuff and I'vealready messed around with it
like my number one call.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I told you guys how much I liked it.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
My insides are completely different now and I
still like that number one callso would you ever, so you
remember making it and how youmade it exactly?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I've got my recipes written down.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Even with my mouth calls so would you ever make
that call again?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I absolutely could yeah that's Because I got the
measurements, so I mean a lot ofthis for you has been trial and
error.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Oh yeah, Everything's trial and error.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Your thicknesses of your wall, your shelf thickness,
your shelf width, yeah, yourdepth.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah that too.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean the depth of the, the back of the
call.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, I see the back of the call.
You've got a bunch of holesthrough it.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yep, that's where the sound comes out, okay.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
So it's going to have that.
That was my next question.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
And that center hole is how I connect it to the lathe
.
All right, what's?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
the lathe.
It's a wood lathe.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
It turns and you turn .
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Okay, back of it, make that's what the sound comes
from okay so, all right,picture this as a guitar, an
acoustic guitar yeah, I'm not aguitar player but you've seen an
acoustic guitar uh, what's,what's in the front of the?
Guitar.
Behind the strings a hole?
Yes, and that's where the soundcomes out of, from the strings
vibrating okay yep, so if youtook some of those holes off.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
it would change up the sound quite a bit oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Would you ever Cause there's a hole all the way
around it.
And.
But if you say you took twoholes out, it completely it'll
make it louder, quieter yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, there's quite a bit bigger the holes.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's going tochange the sound.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yes, that's pretty neat.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
A lot to it, a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, zach, I don't think you gave it much thought.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And really.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I didn't either, until I got into trial and error
.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, I mean, I hope people listen to this and maybe
they do, but when they look at acall next time they're going to
give it a lot more appreciation, and they do, because they'll
tell me this isn't no CanadianTire $20 call.
Yeah, well, that's where thecut is I was going to say those
handmade calls should beappreciated.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
I've been told that today yeah, certainly.
And it's nice to hear thatpeople look at these calls and
they see them and they feel themand they feel the quality.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
And they appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's all handmade.
Yeah, and each diaphragm callhas been blown on by you.
No, they do contain latex,though.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
I'd tell people that Like yeah, no, I've tried them
all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Just wait to spit off but, it's new Enough.
All right, you don't try them.
No, because what is it?
Was it the duck commander?
They blow on all their calls.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Spit free of charge.
Yeah, I was just like.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I have heard that I can't imagine.
It's true, though.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I saw it on their TV show.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
TV and what they do.
Reality TV is not realitythough.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Okay, we're going to have a discussion after this
Well no, it's not though right.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Should buy one and get it tested for DNA.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, I like this thing's full of spit.
You could fill a freaking glasswith it.
I've never used a duckcommander duck call?
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Never in my life, is that so are you gonna you think
you'll get branch more into duckand goose calls?
There's six at the show rightnow.
Okay, I might have to come seeyou.
Yeah, there's a change in mymind, there's only six, there's
only six, there's only six.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I came with ten.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh, and they were only a half day today.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
So what you're saying is don't have breakfast and
coffee.
You can probably have breakfastand coffee.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
The show starts at 10 .
So have breakfast have coffee.
But come to the show.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
So if somebody's looking to buy a call from you,
you ship all over North Americaand beyond.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't think there's any point, I will.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Do they have turkeys in Europe or Uzbekistan?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Probably not, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So where can they find you?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Well, they can find me on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
So Facebook message is a good way.
The.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
River's Edge Game Calls page yeah, or my phone
number, just text, or call me,which is do you want to give
that out on here?
Speaker 5 (41:48):
do I have a?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
business card.
I don't even know my cellnumber well, yeah, I don't know
we'll get it you sent to me.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I'll put it on the when we start the podcast there.
Um yeah, because, like I said,I'm pumped up.
I'm excited to use that.
Now that you've made it sound,I've just I know how it's
supposed to.
Yeah, you did destroy it, butnow I know how it's supposed to
sound, so I've got that.
You know, quality in my ears,kind of thing.
But anyways, from one ken toanother.
(42:15):
Again, I can't thank you enoughfor coming on I'm excited to
use your call it looks greattill next time thank you.
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