Empowering Health in a High-Voltage World: Unpacking the Science and Philosophy of EMFs

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How are you?

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I am doing great, sir .
How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I am functioning with the normal operating parameters
, at least today.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, you know, that is something very special to say
on a full moon.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Good to hear from you how you been.
We're recording.
We're just going to jump rightinto this, if that's cool with
you.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, let me put in my mic so it's a little clearer
for you yeah, I can take myselfoff of the.
Uh, okay, can you hear me?
Uh, try it again, go ahead okay, all right, fair enough, make
sure I'm.
Yeah, that, nope, that's theright way.
I'm, that's the right way,that's the right one.
Okay, so yeah, I'm all yours.

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What do we got an hour?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
We can have 40 minutes an hour.
You're in control.
Let's figure out what's new inthe world.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Whoa.
What's new in the world?
What's new in the world iswhat's old in the world.
What's new in the world iswe've been spending a lot of
time making sure that we feelvery confident, teaching the
best approach, the bestpractices, the healthiest habits
or dealing with the EMFs thatwe're exposed to a lot of, in

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many cases by choice, and insome cases not by choice.
Right is by choice and in somecases not by choice.
Right, you know.
But the thing that we've done isjust like we did with the water
last year is, you know, we havespent a lot of time not only in
research, but in testing andmaking sure we can get

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reproducible results with whatwe're doing making sure we can
get reproducible results withwhat we're doing.
So the big thing that I'mreally excited about and touting
is we have a free EMF guide.
At the Healing for the Ages, wehave a free EMF guide with two

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really cool videos that peoplecan go and watch, where we
demonstrate our methodology forhow we are determining and
saying the things that we'redoing.
So it's very important to usthat we prove what we do and we
feel like we've cracked the codeon EMFs.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
For listeners at home .
Let's define EMF for these guys.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
So EMF is going to stand for electromagnetic
frequencies.
So the easiest one tounderstand is electricity itself
, and electricity will create amagnetic field around it and we
are very, very sensitive.
The human body is thanks to thenervous system, to magnetic

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fields, thanks to the nervoussystem to magnetic fields.
And then we have the newer.
When I say newer, I'm talkingabout in the last 100 years
really of radio frequencysignals or RF electromagnetic
fields, and this is somethingthat has become an increasingly

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graver issue in terms of therelationship of the
radiofrequency, emf the highfrequency especially EMFs to
deterioration of health anddevelopment of things like
cancer and other variousailments in the body.

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So when you look at EMFs, it'ssuper important to understand
that we are constantly Tim, weare constantly in a bathing in
EMFs In our home.
We have so many emissionsources and we show this in the

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second video like actuallymeasuring what's going on around
the typical home, frommicrowaves to electric
appliances, to routers,computers, cell phones, smart
meters, things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
High voltage power lines if you live near some of
those.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Which we all know have been conclusively shown to,
because of the magnetic fieldscoming off of them, to
contribute to the development ofchildhood leukemias and other
cancers.
Right, this was debated anddismissed heavily when it was
first proposed.
This was debated and dismissedheavily when it was first
proposed and then, of course,now you get some 10 to 20 years
after it was first discussed, inthat way where people finally

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go, oh yeah, that actually doeshappen.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh yeah, it usually happens right After.
The fact.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, after I denied and dismissed and made you into
a conspiracy theorist for acouple of decades, then I'm
going to tell you oh, it wasactually a conspiracy fact that
you were talking about.
All that right.
But I suspect, sadly, that'llprobably be the case here with
the 5G towers and EMFs, and theyonly admit to these things once

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they've gotten to a place.
Hold on one second here.
I got somebody calling Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
We left off where the conspiracy theorist?
They left you in a spot whereyou were going to just kind of
be that guy and then all of asudden, magically delicious,
you're the guy, yeah all sudden,magically delicious.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Uh, you're the guy.
Yeah, so, um, when we, when welook at the, the human nature is
so much of what is in the worldis driven by, um, sadly, you
know, military research, sadly,you know military research, um,
and then military research thatcan then be commercialized, um,
and what ends up happening, youknow.
I think one of the easiestexamples of this is that

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pesticides were used in duringworld war one, predominantly um,
and then they become banned.
But now, magically, they aresafe.
Safer to spray our crops andhuman consumption, right, right.
All of a sudden, all of a sudden, and you see this as a
repeatable kind of themethroughout.
You know it's the same withgenetic modified organisms and
food crops.
You know that starts out, asyou know, studying how to

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genetically modify.
You know, life itself, and wesee where that's going.
You know, right now as well,studying how to genetically
modify life itself, and we seewhere that's going right now as
well.
And I think the same was truefor communication.
Communication, when you readthe work of Dr Robert Becker,
the Body Electric he did a greatjob of reading one of his books

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right now, cross Currents,where he does a really great job
of not only talking aboutscience but talking about to
figure out how they couldtransmit to subs under the water

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without the sub having to comeup to receive the communication.
So they actually developed anin-ground antenna that was able
to transmit frequency wavelengththrough the Earth to get to
where they wanted.
But the problem was there's ahuge magnetic field created by
this.
The homes and people livingwithin that magnetic field

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suffer the consequences of that.
Well, I think what we're goingto see is that, and I think what
we are seeing already is thatsame phenomenon with cell phones
.
So let me ask you a couple ofquestions here.
Tim, let's play along here.
I'm having some fun doing thesekind of talks because they're
more conceptual at the start.
Go ahead, you and I are walkingup on a nice hill and we see an

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antenna on that hill and we seeelectricity coming off of that
antenna at its extremities.
Are you going to go and grabthat antenna?
Not usually.
Not not usually every now andthen, if I have enough glue,
I'll maybe think about it.
You know, if I get goaded intoit, maybe, but not usually yeah,

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it's not.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's not something I would go after, but let's play
along.
I don't grab it.
Now what?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
well, the funny thing is that's exactly what we're
doing every time we hold ourcell phones.
Ah, sure, okay, there are fiveantennas in the cell phone one
for the cellular communication,one for the wifi, one for
Bluetooth and then two forlocation, one that's for GPS,

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for for your maps and your waysand stuff like that, and then a
hidden one called theultra-wideband that most people
don't even know is on there, butthat's stealing all of your
precious private data andinformation, because you have it
turned on and you've given thempermission, by having it turned
on, to be able to get all thatprivate personal data.
And that's why you have aconversation with somebody and

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then, magically, ads startshowing up.
Right, you've had aconversation about it, right,
right, right.
So in the guide that we've puttogether, we do start teaching
people how to turn off the ultrawideband network antenna.
And we teach people to turn offthe GPS location antenna and
where they're not using it, youcan always turn it on if you

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need to get directions.
But why have it on if you'renot using it?
And then we teach people how to, in what situations to have
their to use the cellularantenna, versus which situations
to use their Wi-Fi and thewhole purpose of this is to
start the process of dealingwith EMFs by limiting exposure

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to them.
See, antennas are going to behuge, not only because it's
two-way You're not justreceiving information, there's
information being sent out.
There are going to be hugeemission sources of EMFs on the
cell phone.
So, tim, have you ever had thissituation where you're holding
your cell phone and you start tofeel this weird sensation in

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your hands, maybe up your arm alittle bit?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, every time I pay the bill, there you go,
right, I get that weirdsensation, but I don't know if
it's in my hand.
It's probably in my, in mybuttocks, through my checkbook,
right yeah, maybe there too.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Right, well, I'm paying for my own demise here.
How smart am I?
Well, uh, some people willreport this.
I feel this.
I, I just had this, like I hadto go and check on my guy
outside, right?
Yeah, so I picked up my phonewhich I never do anymore and I
was holding it while I'm, whileit's on wi-fi and um, within

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within the the couple minutes Iwas holding it, I could feel the
tingling start in my hand andup my arm so now I'm.
I'm actually, while I'm talkingto you, I have my hand being
grounded.
Right now I have my hand on agrounding mat, getting that
energy, that accumulated chargeand everything out, so you want
to create a ferrite cage.
Not necessarily.
Well, that's interesting,chevalier, dr Chevalier will

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talk about.
When you're grounding, it'sessential to a faraday cage that
you're creating around yourself.
Um, I, I don't think of it likethat, because a true faraday
cage is a true block.
You know right what to the emfsand things like that.
I think it's what.
What's actually happening andwe we can measure this is that

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when you're grounded let me backup.
There's a really interesting law.
It's called Ohm's Law, andOhm's Law basically says that

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voltage equals current times,resistance Voltage is measured
in volts, current is measured inamperes and resistance is
measured in ohms.
So if our body and I like tomeasure what's going on, based
upon the body as part of thecircuit, so I measure the body.
This is what I don't see in somany people doing testing with

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EMFs.
It's always what's going on,this invisible boogeyman around
us, but I don't see peopleactually measuring.
Well, what's the effect on thehuman body?
So the human body is bothantenna and battery.
So we have current.
We actually run on directcurrent.
You can think of direct currentas God made and Mother Earth

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runs on direct current.
For example, man-made current isreferred to as alternating
current or AC and alternatingcurrent is something that we
should not have on the body.
When we measure our voltage,for example, if I'm measuring
the voltage on the body, thealternating current voltage

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should be zero.
The direct current voltage canshow up measurable, but the
alternating current from avoltage standpoint should be
zero.
But that's not what happenswhen we're in an EMF field.
When we're in an EMF field inour homes, around our computers,

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around our technology and stufflike that, there are what these
devices are emitting phones,things like that is alternating
current and alternating currentstarts to directly compete with
our direct current that our bodywants to use and it starts

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destabilizing our electricalcurrent, our direct current.
We can measure this, we'veproven this.
So what ends up happening iswhen you're in an EMF field,
your body can't get electricallystable in its preferred current
, direct current and we knowthis is happening because on the

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body we can measure the voltagethat's created by the
alternating current.
Remember, that's supposed to bezero, but we can measure what
it is.
In normal circumstances or Ishould say common circumstances
for people around a lot ofelectricity and EMFs, the
routers and stuff like that,what it typically can be.

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It can be as high as wemeasured so far.
I've seen it as high as sevento nine volts.
That's super high, okay, and onaverage I've seen it just on
myself, measuring it a lot overthe last several months,
typically about three volts forme, but that's still a lot.

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Anything really over anything,anything over zero is a problem,
but especially anything overabout, I'd say, 0.1 to 0.2 volts
is a problem.
Okay, just for just forreference.
So what happens?
What we did was we said okay,well, let's, let's ask some
simple questions and do somesimple experimentation, right,

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right, because it this doesn'thave to be complex.
It is, but it doesn't have tobe for everybody in their day,
in their day in and day out life.
You don't need to have a degreein electrical engineering to
understand this.
Okay, we want to make it simple.
So what we did was we saidlet's go outside and measure the
body and what is happening thethe body when we are earthing,

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when we're connected to MotherEarth.
Right, I don't know about you,I love having my shoes off and
my feet connected to the grassor the sand or anything like
that.
How about you?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oddly enough, that is something I do.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right, so it's a great habit.
Well, something interestinghappens when you are in direct
contact with Mother Earth, theVAC or voltage because the
alternating current you're beingexposed to, is actually being

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put directly into the ground.
It's just immediately vanishing, and that's a good thing for
your body.
How do we?
How do we know that?
Because we also measured whathappens to your direct current
when you are on the Earth, whenyou're earthing, when you're
connected to Mother Earth, andwhat happens is your direct

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current becomes increasinglymore negative.
So you are actually charging upyour electron bank, you're
actually recharging yourbatteries when you're earthing
your batteries when you'reearthing.
You can't recharge yourbatteries.
When you are ungrounded andthere are EMFs all around you,
it just destabilizes yourelectric field so much that it

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throws your cells into chaosreally, and it's in that chaos
that we start to see proteinsynthesis errors and cellular
replication errors and thedevolution into cancerous and
other disease phenomenon.
So the reality is for us thatwe have to get back to Mother

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Earth because we've gotten toofar away.
And this starts explaining somethings that are very
interesting.
Have you ever wondered why yourphone charger doesn't have a
third prong?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Define charger, because see, now you're jumping
in my world because I am anelectrical engineer and I have
some information that might alsoassist you in this deal.
I have some information thatmight also assist you in this
deal.
But to answer your question, ifit's a RFID programmer or a
charger, it is charging ACcyclic and what it does is it
puts that into the battery, thebattery converts it back to a DC

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and then it goes to an A to Dconverter.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Okay, but why isn't that third prong on there?
Because the third prong is theground prong.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You mean to go into the house voltage like in the US
here, correct, okay, I believefrom the US ATMSE standards that
because it's such a low inputof voltage that there's no
grounding needed because yourconverter does all the work.
So that's what I would assume,but I have not looked it up by

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the ATSM standards.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
That sounds plausible to me what you're saying, and
that would seem like a goodrationale, right?
Yeah, it would seem like yeah,well, it's such a small current
that we don't have to worryabout grounding it, right.
That's the argument,essentially.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Well, a couple of things with that.
When you measure the phoneplugged in in terms of EMF
emission versus when it'sunplugged, the EMFs are
dramatically higher when it'splugged in.
So the other thing that we haveto take into account is the
effect of low current on thecell environment, especially AC

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current, alternating current.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Because alternating current and correct me if I'm
wrong or if I'm misexplainingsomething here alternating
current is going to shift itspolarity.
So if we're talking about like60 Hertz in terms of frequency
for alternating current, thatwould say that literally every
second the polarity is shifting60 times.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
There, the way the waveform is changing during that
second well, the waveform wouldjump from zero to plus 110, 120
, wherever you're at, from zeroto 110.
But on ac, true ac, the otherone is just the grounding pole.
So, so, literally, on the hotside, you look at your plug-in,
one's a wide one, one's a narrowone, so there's only one hot

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and there is one neutral.
Dc has polarity, ac doesn'thave polarity, it has cyclic.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
You got it Cyclic.
That would be the correctterminology.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
And if you look at it , on a lab scope.
You'd see a zero plus, zeroplus, zero plus.
It's floor of zero.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's how we see it in our work.
I don't know what that means.
That's a new word for me.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Floor is okay you talked about.
Your body has a charge in itand because you're charged, you
can't uncharge or not be EMFed.
And because you already have afloor of seven volts, it's got
to go from seven and up, notfrom zero and up when you ground
yourself.
Now you're making zero and youcan recharge your human

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batteries, correct, correct.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
So when we're looking at this, then what that is
suggesting is that and this iswhere I start asking some
questions, because we seestudies, see a lot of EMF.
Studies were based upon what isthe amount of EMF?
And specifically with radiofrequencies that would start to

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elevate the temperature of thebody.
That's where they felt it was.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Concerning so did we switch from EMFs to RFI.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
EMFs to RFI.
What does RFI stand for?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Radio frequency.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah Well, in the world of EMFs, radio frequency
is considered an EMF.
When we're talking, in thatthing there's going to be
electric, magnetic and thenradio frequency.
Will all be in the samecategory of EMFs of
electromagnetic frequencies.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Does that include the X-rays, gamma rays, which are
most damaging to the human body,ionization, radiation and part
of electromagnetic spectrum?
Because?
That'll mess with the DNA,because that'll mess with the
DNA.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well, this is what they were saying, because it's
non-ionizing radiation, with the5G and with the radio
frequencies that are supposedlybeing used, because it's
non-ionizing from.
What they're saying is that itcan't have a negative effect
upon the body similar to theaforementioned gamma rays and
the X-rays and things like thatthat we know have an effect,

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right, right, right, things likethat.
This has been the argument.
So what they did in the in, Ithink, was in the late, late 50s
to early 60s uh, was that theysaid well, let's, how do we
establish the standards for whatsafety is going to be?
and this was based upon themfinding that there were, there
were, you know, uh, navalofficers and I believe this was

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the Army as well that werestarting to develop cancer
people who were working withradar, for example.
Right, they were starting tohave offspring who were also
genetically malformed.
Okay, so it says we need toestablish some safety around
this.
So they said, okay, well, whatshould the safety guidelines be
based upon?
And the safety guidelines weresaid that anything that can't

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raise the temperature of thebody would be deemed as safe.
That once you start raising thetemperature of the body, that's
no doubt that that's a problem,that's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
So now you've shifted from alpha to beta particles.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
That I don't know, but I'm going to trust your
words and sure have a greaterexpertise on it than me.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
That I don't know but I'm going to trust your words
and sure have a greaterexpertise on it than me.
Well, beta particles burns, andalpha particles cannot
penetrate intact skin.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Okay, Well, the thing with it is that what they were
being very dismissive of werethe effects of low current on
the cellular environment,particularly low alternating
current.
It was just assumed that lowalternating current couldn't

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have a deleterious effect uponthe cellular environment and
cell function.
Wow, why?
Because it wasn't at a strongenough current to raise the
temperature of the body.
Okay, right, so this is theflawed logic that was being used
.
Well, when you start studyingwhat low alternating current and
we're talking nanoamperes andpicoamperes here very small

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doses of current current thatit's almost imperceptible,
unless you're reallyelectrosensitive or an empath or
something like that whathappens is that it does play a
tremendous role in throwing offthe cell environment.
It essentially places the cellinto a start-stop pattern

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throughout that second that it'sbeing applied.
So imagine you are getting in avehicle with me and I say we're
going to go from la to miami andwe start driving down the block
, we drive six feet and I slamon the brakes and then, as soon
as I you lurch forward, I slamon the grass for another six

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feet and then I slam on thebrakes again, and I do this all
the way down to the end of thestreet.
And then I say to you hey Tim,you want to still drive with me
all the way from LA to Miami,cause I'm going to be doing this
the entire time.
Are you going to stay in thatvehicle or are you getting out
of that vehicle?
Right, I think I'd have to bringa bunch of paint cans with me,
you know, so we can shake themup in there, shake them up in

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there, exactly right.
And so what you end up doing isyou say, well, how do we get out
of that experience from thecellular perspective?
Well, the way we get out ofthat experience from the
cellular perspective is weground, we, we earth our body.
And when we're doing that,there's a dual phenomenon that
appears to be occurring.
The first thing that appears tobe occurring is that any
exposure to the nano and picoamperes that come with the

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electromagnetic frequencies thatwe're exposing ourselves to
immediately get grounded.
So it drops the voltagealternating current that we can
measure to zero.
That's a good thing, sure,right.
The second phenomenon and thisis something Chevalier has
talked about a lot the secondphenomenon is that we start
recharging our body withelectrons from the earth.

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And how do we measure that?
Well, we see that the voltageDC stabilizes and becomes
increasingly more negative untilit reaches its own steady state
, indicating that, for your body, you're at full capacity in
terms of your recharge.
And how does this manifest whenwe're in that state?

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Well, the things that we seeare number one inflammation
drops through the floor, justkind of goes away, which is a
nice experience for anybodywho's living in a state of
constant kind of chronicinflammation Joint pain,
digestive discomfort, heartcardio.

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Anything with itis at the endwould indicate that there is
inflammation right.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
And then what we do is we look at the other flip
side of it.
Well, when you are grounding,especially for extended periods,
longer than 30 to 45 minutes aday, you are allowing your
electrons to replenish in yourbody and, at the same time,

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turning off some of the naturalsemiconductors and artificial
semiconductors in the cell thatwe've been exposed to.
Essentially, what you'reallowing your body to do is to
recharge your adrenal glands andstart to replenish your
cortisol levels and things ofthat nature.

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And how does that manifestitself?
Who are not waking up, even togo pee, who are feeling like
they're getting into a muchdeeper, restorative sleep every
night, and who are dreaming onceagain, with pleasant dreams.

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These are all things over,especially the last four years
since the 5G towers have gone upthat we've heard report after
report after report of peoplebeing disturbed that they wake
up several times a night.
Their dreams, if they do havethem, are horrible, that they
wake up exhausted, brain fog thenext day, and that's because

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they've been sleeping ungrounded.
So one of the big things thatwe've been developed that we
didn't develop the products, butthat we've put these several
products together to form areally efficient system is we
have proven that you can take agrounding mat, put it on your

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bed, put a grounding sheet ontop of it and that when you have
skin-to-skin contact with thissystem, your VAC drops to zero
instantly, your VDC becomesincreasingly more negative and
mimics the exact experience ofwhat happens when your feet are

(31:50):
on the ground outside.
And that you're doing it allnight long while you're sleeping
for eight hours gives you eighthours of basically being EMF
free or EMF unaffected.
I should say interesting.
And so some people will saythat's kind of like a Faraday
cage.
I was reading a article fromChevalier on how he's liking it

(32:10):
to a Faraday cage.
We've had people refer to it aslike a cocoon that you're
creating for yourself.
I think it's actually not thosethings, but we're splitting
hairs at that point.
I think what's actuallyhappening is you're being
exposed still, because there areEMF fields around.
You're being exposed to nanoand pico ampere alternating

(32:32):
current still, but it's justimmediately grounding.
And because it's immediatelygrounding, there's really no
perceptible effect for yourcells.
Your cells charge up andeverything starts working the
way it's supposed to work.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
So ground therapy, and I believe that's a trademark
, and, if I remember right,there's a designer called Clint
Ober.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Clint Ober yeah is the first person of prominence
to come out and really sharethis with everybody for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, right, and I always thought, hey, you know,
it makes sense In our shopenvironment.
I don't do this thing all day,this podcast, but I do weld.
I don't do this thing all day,this podcast, but I do weld.
And you would be surprised howmuch RFI and EMI comes off of a
spark when you make your arc,whether you take, which is high
frequency, start and or, if youwant to pulse, take and drag and

(33:23):
start.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's incredible amount of distortion.
Amen, I'm sorry.
I said amen, amen, I'm sorry.
Now my personal opinion on whatI like the work Clint has done,

(33:51):
obviously, and I like the workSinatra who's worked with him
and there's a few otherscientists who've worked with
him.
I really like what they've done.
My favorite among that group isChevalier Okay, I think
Chevalier, who's a PhD physicist.
I think he lends the greatestcredibility from a scientific

(34:12):
standpoint to that group and hisway he explains things are very
easy to understand the concepts.
But for me, just this year alone, reading in the early 1900s,
george Lukofsky and his work,following it up with reading Dr
Robert O Becker's work, who wasmuch of what we know about the

(34:37):
cellular ability to regeneratecomes from Dr Robert yeah, I was
thinking from Dr Robert Becker,not Dr Robert Young, he's
another great doctor.
And then you put that togetherwith the recent work of Clint
Ober's team and one of mypersonal favorites, who is
Chevalier, what you start seeingis that there is something

(34:59):
incredibly special here, andespecially timely with respect
to the 5G towers going up allover the world and our
increasing addiction to ourphones and to computers and
being connected all day andnight long and everything that,

(35:21):
while this may present certainconveniences for us, really what
it presents more so is atrade-off, something that thomas
soul would would talk about.
He's like there are no I,there's not really any idealism,
it's just life is a series oftrade-offs that we're we're
trading our convenience and ourfreedom set in a lot of ways, um

(35:43):
, we're trading our freedom forconvenience, but along with that
freedom that we're trading forconvenience is we're trading our
health that we're trading forconvenience is we're trading our
health for convenience.
And being in a state of diseaseis decidedly inconvenient,
which unfortunately many peoplelearn very late, and there's
very little attribution of thecause of that disease state to

(36:06):
these invisible electromagneticfrequencies that we are exposing
ourselves to.
I mean, if we think about it,you know we're wearing shoes,
that this is one that I waswatching the earthing
documentary a couple of days agoand I thought Clint had a
really good insight on this.
It's not one that many of ushaven't thought of, you know,

(36:27):
but it's just the simplicity ofit, the brilliance of it.
But it's just the simplicity ofit, the brilliance of it.
There's no greater destructiveinvention that man has ever made
than the tennis shoe.
Okay, you know, insulatingsouls, disconnecting from Mother
Earth.
Now we add in the increasingdependence on radio frequency

(36:53):
for communication and the, ofcourse, electric and magnetic
fields that come along with it.
There's no ability, there's noway for the body to dissipate
that back into the ground.
Until you take those shoes offand you put your feet actually
on a grounding surface, likeother Earth could be, what you
end up doing is you startexposing the body.

(37:17):
And there was a very interestingpoint made in this about our
children, that when you look ata child's life, our children,
which are in a constant state ofhormonal and neurological
development right From themoment, they sleep in a bed that
isn't grounded so there's noconnection there.
They wake up and go to schooland use all kind of technology

(37:41):
so they're exposed to tremendousEMFs and almost every school in
the nation has 5G towersassociated with it.
Now that they're exposed tothese things and that these kids
are then go from thatexperience to an after school
program where there is it mightbe outdoors, but they're still
wearing cleats and all thisprotective gear that's

(38:01):
insulating them from beingconnected to Mother Earth.
And then they go home and dotheir homework and then they
jump on some video games or ontheir phone or whatever you have
you, and then they go to sleepIn a 24-hour cycle.
This child that was originallydesigned to be in contact with
Mother Earth for 24 hours a dayis actually almost in so many

(38:24):
cases in contact with MotherEarth zero minutes in an entire
day.
And that we wonder why thesekids behaviors patterns change.
We wonder why they become lessfocused and more difficult
behavior with adhd.
And then we put them on opioidsand all kind of yeah riddle um,
thanks, riddle in and everythingto try and subdue them, when

(38:47):
really what they're expressingis a lack of connection
connection to a force thatallows for the grounding of the
alternating current and arecharging of the body's battery
simultaneously.
You know, and I think it's apretty insightful thing, kind of
thing.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, let me shift gears, and do you personally
have a sleep mat that's grounded?
Do you use one of them?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I do.
Yeah, I tested them out andthat's one of the things we show
people and I actually, tim, Iactually test myself on it using
a multimeter and a continuitycheck.
I use the continuity checkevery night and every morning,
but I actually measure myremeasure myself on the system
once a week at least, so that Ican confirm that we're still

(39:36):
having the same efficacy.
And it's been several monthsand I will tell you this I will
not sleep any other way everagain in my life.
Wow, that's incredible.
Yeah, I've actually purchased.
There's a couple of phenomenaI've always had.
I've always dreamed, but I'dsay since 2020, the dreams have

(39:58):
gotten very strange, okay.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
We all know that, COVID.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Right, you know what I'm saying.
But a lot of that I attributedto just what I'm seeing in the
world today and my mindprocessing what's going on.
But since I've been on thegrounding sleep system, I only
have good dreams again, whichwas very curious to me.
But that's so subjective.

(40:25):
How do you prove that?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Sure, but if you dream good, you live good you
flourish and I flourish.
But you build things during theweek, during the day.
I mean good dreams move youalong, bad dreams just kind of
shut you down.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
They're essential, right?
Yeah, I mean, that's why we sayto each other sweet dreams,
right?
So that's one.
But I think the thing that's alittle bit more objective and
measurable is something that Ifind fascinating, which is we.

(41:07):
I wake up.
Earlier.
I used to wake up a littlegroggy.
I'm a night owl.
I like stayed up getting workdone, right.
Yeah, it's just that's the waysome of us are wired.
I can still stay up.
I was staying up to like 2, 3in the morning for the last
several years, which is a littleridiculous, so I've curbed that

(41:30):
.
I'm down to like I go to bedaround midnight or somewhere in
there now, but I wake up alwaysbefore my alarm.
I set my alarm to go off at6.39 every morning, right, I
have yet to, in the last twomonths, need my alarm to wake me

(41:50):
up.
I'm always up before my alarmevery single day, and that's the
first time in my entire lifethat that's happened.
See, you're in hawaii, correct?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
no, I'm in arizona, arizona, okay.
Well, do they have daylightsavings in arizona, arizona?
They uh do not okay, see,midwest they do.
And if you get set and youstart waking up at your normal
time because once you get, yourbody gets used to it.
You're, you know you're up,like you're saying, but as soon

(42:21):
as you flip the clock your bodyhas to relearn that and I didn't
know if they did that whereyou're at uh, they didn't, but
you know it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
My team is all over the world so I have to
accommodate the majority of thepeople which go through that.
So it does affect me.
My days start happening earlieronce everybody goes into
daylight savings time.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh sure, yeah, I get you man.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I get you, man, I get you, yeah, but the cool thing
about this is that one it'sanother free medicine if you
really get down to it and you'rejust doing everything every day
.
It's a free medicine with apublished and researched
understanding of whatmicrocurrents and I shouldn't
say micro, but nano and picocurrents can do to the cellular

(43:30):
environment and why they'reharmful In many cases.
I mean, there's so many studiesthat Dr Becker has cited
throughout his publications thatit's just like you see us over

(43:50):
and over and over again that ifwe base everything on what
raises the cell, we startunderstanding much better where
the actual safety levels need tobe.
And if we understand simplethings like our phones have five
antennas that are ungrounded,that we're holding, it makes
sense to go.
You know I'm not going to dothat anymore.
I'm going to leave my phone offmy body when I'm using it.

(44:11):
I'm going to turn off theantennas that I'm not using when
I don't need them and lower myEMF exposure.
My phone, right now, as I'mtalking to you, is laying on a
grounding mat and it's away frommy body because I don't need it
on me.
And when I carry my phone andleave the house with it the few
occasions I do leave my housewith my phone.

(44:32):
Now I actually turn my phoneoff completely when it's on my
body and I'll have it with meand I'll turn it back on.
It takes 10 seconds to boot up.
I don't care about that, I'llwait, but then I turn it back
off again.
But what we're really teachinghere is the importance of
getting into healthier habits,with the understanding of what

(44:56):
low levels of alternatingcurrent and magnetic fields can
really do to destroy us.
I mean, there's a great studythat was done on a number of
rats showing that when youexpose them to just a one
milligauss constant magneticfield, that over the course of
several months they go intofight or flight, even though

(45:19):
their emotional or behavioralpatterns don't really change
that dramatically, their body isstill able to perceive the
magnetic field and sees it as athreat, and that their cortisol
levels go up.
And then, of course, after youreach a point of exhaustion
where you've just been pushingcortisol all the time, then what
ends up happening is you gointo exhaustion and now your

(45:40):
cortisol levels fall through thefloor and you're always
exhausted.
And then you start seeing somebehavioral shifts.
But when cortisol levels arehigh, what happens is it leads
to sleep disturbance.
You can't get to sleep.
People have a hard time.
So if I have somebody now who'slike hey, it takes me two hours
to get to sleep, my first thingwith them is are you grounding

(46:04):
and I can read you.
I get about a testimony or twoa day on the grounding sleep
system with people that are onit.
I can read to you some of themif you want, and I have them
right on my phone.
The idea is that this, for usin the age of 5G grounding, is

(46:25):
no longer one of those thingsthat we should look at as a as
yeah, and do that too.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That's a good idea too, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Oh sure, it's not the primary thing, and do that too.
That's a good idea too.
You know what I mean?
Oh sure, not the primary thing,but do it too.
Now, the way I teach it, basedupon everything we've been
learning and the results we'vebeen getting with it, is very
simple.
This is your foundation, youknow.
If you want to understand, ifyou want to spend money on
supplementation, organic food,cleaning your water, all the
things that I spend money andtime on that I better be

(46:57):
grounding first if my body isgoing to experience the enormous
benefit of those other healing,balancing things that I do.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
So let's say go ahead , have you finished there?
no, that, that's it go for it umtwo, two questions the magnetic
bracelets that a lot of peoplewear to try and ionize and
polarize their iron in theirbody.
And, as an electronictechnician, you, you wear a
grounding strap.

(47:32):
And if you were to touch alinear ic or some kind of an IC,
even though you don't see aspark or a PIV, we call it
positive.
Invert voltages doesn't meanthere isn't one.
So what if the sleep guysdidn't make a mattress to lay on
but made an actual grounding,like we do in electronics?

(47:53):
Same gig, oh they do.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah, they do, it would still do it, and they have
grounding straps and thingslike that that you could just
put on and they work just fine.
The reason I went with thesleep system is because there is
a debate about surface area interms of conductivity.
There's a lot of people who say, as long as you're grounded, it

(48:17):
doesn't matter how much surfacearea is in contact with the
grounding source.
I'm a mechanical engineer by mytrade, so I'm a surface area
guy and I'm a size guy.
Okay, and I'm like, and I'm like, and I'm also a comfort guy.
You know, I'm like when I lookat, when I measured the

(48:38):
efficiency of the sheet alone,for example, the grounding sheet
on the bed versus the groundingmat, it's no, it's not.
It's not comparable.
The grounding mat is hands downbetter, but the grounding mat
in most cases isn't comfortableto lay on because of the
materials that are used.
So we just put a groundingsheet that is comfortable on top

(48:58):
of it and now you don't have tohave something attached to you.
I'm not going to wear agrounding strap at night.
I'm just not going to do it.
There's no interest in me to dothat.
But I'll lay on a groundingsheet and the thing is we're
talking a couple hundred dollarsto set up your bedroom to be
completely really healing.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
So what do you feel the best system is?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
The best system in my opinion right now, from what
we've tested so far, is agrounding mat with a grounding
sheet on top of it and then yourflat sheet or your comforter or
whatever you can use, whateveryou want, who cares?
But as far as the efficiency ofthe system, to me it's having

(49:44):
at least 80% of your skinexposed and having your skin in
contact, because you're going toroll over at night and move
around, right, obviously, andstuff like that, but that, no
matter where I move to, I'mgoing to be grounded in my bed.
So for me, sleep is I've never.
I've never enjoyed sleep, Ialways.
You know it's one of thosethings where it's like, okay, I

(50:04):
got to do it.
And I want to get back to mywork, you know Right, but now I
look forward to sleeping.
I can't wait to go to sleep andwhat dreams am I going to have?
And, oh my God, you know, everynight I know I'm in a true
healing experience.
Especially, love what I do, Ilove working.
So I have a tendency to gooverboard with it anyway, but I

(50:37):
never remember being thisdrained as I have been since the
5G towers went up and I justattributed it to how much work I
was doing and the emotionaldemand of the work that I'm
doing.
Getting older all that Right,and those are factors right.
Let's be objective.
Those are factors.
But I cannot ignore the factthat I have a measurable

(51:01):
alternating current voltage onmy body all day long, and
understanding what the impact ofthat is from a cellular
perspective.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So let's get the system straight out here.
I got a question about thatGrounding mat, grounding sheet,
and then you can put your sheetsand stuff on top of that.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah, well, no, then you put your flat sheet on.
You need to have skin contacts.
Like we tested a grounding matand then we went and got organic
linen sheets and organic hempsheets.
You know what I mean, like thefitted to put on top of the
grounding mat.
So think of it like this um,and it's in the guide and people
can see it.
We have actually pictures forit in the guide.
But, um, think of it like thisyou have your mattress and then

(51:43):
you're going to take and put ontop of that mattress hopefully a
um, an actually hypoallergeniccover.
Okay, in case there's mold inthe mattress.
That's another part of thewhole system is, we don't want
people breathing in mold.
So just, if it's in the bed,just trap it in there, just put
a cover on it.
And then you take the groundingmat and put it on top of that.

(52:04):
And then on top of thegrounding mat, you put a
grounded, a fitted groundingsheet.
And now when you lay your bodyon that fitted grounding sheet,
you're going to be grounding allnight long, as far as the flat
sheet and the comforter pillowseven use whatever you want,
because your body is in skindirect contact with the

(52:26):
grounding sheet, which is incontact with the grounding mat,
which is the greater efficientgrounding device.
And when you have that set upgrounding mat, which is the
greater efficient groundingdevice and when you have that
set up, you are now prepped forreally sweet, truly sweet dreams
.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Can you measure that?
Is it measurable?
Can you take, like a multimeter, a DVOM, a lab scope?
Touch the grounding sheet, runa line out to side and put a
copper rod in the ground andthen measure a voltage
difference?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yes, and I've done that.
And the experiment I did was Iput a copper grounding rod
outside and ran copper into thebedroom and grounded off of that
, grounded the sheets directlyto that, and it was the exact
same measurables for me.
Um, using vac, I was using andI, I know I I take heat on this

(53:17):
and I get it.
We all have our rolls royce ofthings that we like in terms of
equipment.
Right, yeah, I have a simple, Ihave a simple klein double m
420, right, um, and I haveeverybody, of course, telling me
to get a fluke and all thatstuff.
It's like, yeah, I'll go leavenow, I'll go get a fluke.
I wasn't stuff.
It's like, yeah, I'll go get afluke.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I wasn't going there.
I wasn't going to stay in mylane.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Right, but I understand, I get it.
There's a Rolls Royce and I'mnot driving a Rolls Royce, I
understand, but the climb seemsto work just fine in terms of
the measurements we're lookingat.
So my number one thing iswhat's our reference?
What happens when I'm grounding?
Let me see, my excuse me whathappens when I'm earthing?
When I'm earthing, VAC goes tozero, VDC becomes increasingly

(54:01):
more negative.
Right, that's the phenomenonthat I'm trying to recreate,
because that's what happens whenI'm I'm earthing.
So, uh, I measure that, uhagainst the direct, uh, against
the grounding sheets.
Any grounding equipment I'mtesting plugged into the
grounding port of the electricalsystem in my house.
I'm one of the people where theelectrical system appears just

(54:23):
fine, so I'm not really worriedabout that kind of stuff.
And then I did put a copper rodout and did the copper test and
it was the same thing.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So you know just kind of like okay, so it verified
that radius.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
You verified them?
Yeah, it verified.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, then last minute let meask you a different question
what happens?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
if lightning hits the area.
Well see, now this is the thing.
If lightning hits, or somebodywere to come into my backyard
and charge up that and put abattery right on that grounding

(55:04):
rod, because I don't have itpounded all the way into the
ground, you know, some of it'sexposed.
I'm going to get fried.
It's just a conductive right.
So that doesn't sound veryinteresting to me.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Well, you asked me about a wire that was leaking
electricity.
What?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I grab it and we get struck with lightning a lot
around here.
Right.
So this is where you want to beon your, on your.
This is where I think, being ina properly wired home, where
you are grounded in the, whereyou're, where you're grounded to
your, your common, your groundin your, for your home yeah,

(55:33):
it's going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And then if your house gets hit with a lightning
bolt are you worried?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I actually am.
Yes, I've been hit withlightning before.
Okay, well, and that's a fairconversation right there.
And I would say to somebodythen at that point, if you feel
like it's going to be, if youknow there's going to be
lightning, I wouldn't maybeground at that time, just for
safety's sake.
You know what I mean if that'sif there's.
Yeah, just I mean it makes likethat seems like a really
reasonable caution right.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Well, you know, just in case, kind of thing you know
what happens if you're groundedat night and like storms roll
through the evening.
I've been in my bed and I was.
I had a cell.
Not a cell phone, but a.
You know the 900 cordlessphones, old school and I had an
antenna on the roof.
It was out there and it hit.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
It came in, the coax blew off the the antenna that
was on the base station, shot itacross the room and all within
a big flash of light, I'm likeuh, what was?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
that.
Oh, you know you hit it, ithurt it, but you know, I didn't
really realize what it hit untilit hit, so we looked at the
antenna it looked like a gunthat somebody had put a finger
in and it exploded in multipledude.
It was like traumatic stuffthat's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
So, yeah, that would be a good time to not be
grounded well, you didn't have achoice.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I was sleeping yeah, yeah that's.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I mean, it's a good, it's a good point.
Um, I guess you'd have to payreally close attention to
whether or not a system'srolling through, you know before
you go to sleep, right everynight.
I mean that's an every nightthing.
Well, I don't know where youlive, but, like where I live, we
have the monsoons where we'llhave some periods where we'll
have electric, you know and I'mgoing to have to be mindful of

(57:16):
that.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
High disturbance times.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So you know, I think it's just something you got to
be a little more mindful of,maybe in those environments, for
sure, because even if you'regrounded, even if you have a
copper outside or you're in,even our electrical systems here
in Minnesota have to have acopper rod.
Even our electrical systemshere in Minnesota have to have a
copper rod.
It's got to be three-eighths indiameter, it's got to be at
least four feet in the ground.
It's electrical code Doesn'tmean you still can't get hit.
I've been hit.

(57:40):
The house has been hit threetimes.
One took the studio out, oh wow.
One took my phone out and theother one took a bunch of TVs
and stuff.
So I'm thinking maybe the biglord upstairs is like kind of
like priming me for phase two ofmy life, end of life.

(58:02):
So when I see these groundingbeds and I thought how could you
ever pay attention that close?
What if you forget one time?

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Now you're Ely Shist kebab well, maybe I mean, maybe
I don't know, I'm gonna, I'mgonna roll my dice with it and
say you know what, if it, ifthat was, if that's gonna happen
, then that was the way it wassupposed to happen I've already
decided how I'm making thetransition, with a smile on my

(58:31):
face and a lot of love in myheart.
So that's just going to be myday, right, you know?
But I'm going to really enjoyevery day between now and then,
where that didn't happen, andI'm having the best sleep and
the greatest dreams I've had,especially the last four years.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Well, you certainly have a lot of positive things to
say and I could take some pagesout of your book, because I'm
the pessimist that's optimistic.
And you sit back and you go.
Yeah, but you know, and I justgot off the phone with what was
it last Sunday's episode, drArtis Right, right, yeah, and we

(59:11):
had a great conversation and wewere talking to all kinds of
stuff and you know, again, Icould be very much out of pages
of your books and I'm like, yeah, so when I talk to you it's
like it rejuvenates my.
My happy center is that theyeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Well, I mean listen, you know, the reality is, this
isn't the end for any of us.
You know this is a classroomwe're in.
You know we get to figure outwho we are and what we're about
and elevate our consciousness.
You know, and I think that whatwe see along the way is the

(59:48):
people who have come before us,the beings that have come before
us us that have elevated theirconsciousness, all speak of the
same things, you know love,gratitude, grace, forgiveness.
You know that um, that whenwe're expressing these, uh,
these, these higher vibrationaltraits, that it creates a new

(01:00:10):
energy field around us.
And I think the for a lot oftime.
You know, when I first gotstarted, 25 years ago, at this,
there was a lot of um making funof the idea that there are
auric fields and things likethat, right, right, and I'm like
, I'm like, well, wait a minute.
You're telling me that everyelectrical, every, every

(01:00:31):
electrical current has amagnetic field that it creates,
right, absolutely.
And you're telling me that thebody, definitively, easily
provable, runs on direct current.
That means that the body has amagnetic field associated with
it.
So maybe we're using adifferent term describing the
same thing, term describing thesame thing, but and where?

(01:00:57):
While the ayurvedics might callit an aura generated by a
chakra or something of thatnature, a western scientist
might call it a magnetic field.
But what's the real differencebetween the two things?
It's like we're describing thesame phenomenon with different
words and taking the otherperson's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Because they don't understand Right.
They don't understand it Right,so they become jaded and they
have an opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And then what do you do, right?
Well, that's where we get intoproblems, because we say because
you're not using the same wordsI'm using, you're wrong and I'm
right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I'm actually having this conversation with somebody
online right now.
I get these wonderful emails,tim, I just have to tell you
these wonderful emails wherepeople go.
I love you, but you're an idiot.
And it's always the same typeof person who is convinced that
they're right and isn't stoppingfor a second to step back and

(01:01:52):
go.
Well, what if I'm wrong aboutthis?
Yeah, what if I'm not Right?
And this is something I knowyou do, this is something I do.
This is, I think, maybe partand parcel to the engineering
development I have to assumethat I could be wrong so that we
take great measures to gothrough, to prove what we're
doing and seek thatreproducibility.

(01:02:14):
And when I start seeing, likethe first thing I look for when
we're assessing what's going onis the crew patterns and we want
to see, you know, is you know?
Is it reproducible?
Of course, that's what science,to me, is about is a curiosity
that we can reproduce.
Now we have an explainedphenomenon, right, right, right.
So, um, you know, when I, whenI I'm like I don't put anything

(01:02:35):
out into the public sphere untilI'm absolutely sure I don't
just go out there andpontificate ideas because I want
you to be mesmerized by myintellect, or you know that's
stupid to me.
You know I'm like, just, can wedo away with the whole putting
people on a pedestal nonsense?
Yeah, the Mensa group Right.
Right, right, yes, exactly,thank you.

(01:02:55):
Yes, please, can we stop Brainpan, brain pan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
We call it the big junk theory.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Right, it's like, dude, if you saw my wardrobe,
you'd see how many spills offood there are in my shirts and
how many times.
I was just walking my dogs theother day and they like got me
all tangled up and, like, twofeet from my truck, tripped me
and plowed me to the ground.
You know, I mean it's like comeon, people, we're all just
humans.
You know, uh, you know, runningaround a little, really beings

(01:03:27):
of light running around in humanbodies, but we're this is a
magical thing we're involved inand there are we constantly
reduce it, and there are somemore human than others.
Right, right.
And yes to the people out therewho say I love you, dr H, but
you're an idiot.
But yeah, I agree with you, Iam an idiot.
And there's that old axiom thatwhenever you say before the

(01:03:50):
word but is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, nothing before that meant anything.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
It didn't mean anything.
What you're really telling meis that you need to be right,
and I will tell you, I seek tobe right because, of course I'm
a teacher, I want to teach thecorrect things.
But I think it's more importantfor us to seek to be accurate
in what we're doing, becauseaccuracy, just like facts,

(01:04:16):
doesn't involve an ego or abelief system.
Nope, not at all.
Yep, it's the truth or it ain'tright.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, that's,that's all it is.
And so when I start, like I'vehad people come to me and talk
to me about this and that, dr H,I love you, but you're an idiot
.
Um, and this is why you're anidiot, let me flood you with all
of this stuff, and you know.

(01:04:44):
And then I ask them always onesimple question back have you
attempted to recreate what I'veshown using the methods that I
showed?
And not one of them have evertried to recreate it.
So you're not open to exploringnew ideas.
You're locked into a dogma, anideology, and ideology, dogmas

(01:05:08):
are the realm of faith andbelief systems, religion.
You're in the religion ofscientism.
You're not acting in theexploration of science, and the
folks that I read and Igravitate towards all are
devoted scientists, but one ofthe things that they've never
done is attempted to separatephilosophy from their approach

(01:05:32):
to exploring scientific inquiry,and when you bring philosophy
with scientific inquiry, whatyou find is integrity.
There you go.
It's so interesting when youtalk to those people or listen
to them, the ones that havepassed on, they all tell a
similar tale that in searchingfor the explanation to the

(01:05:53):
phenomenon that didn't makesense, they found god.
You know, and I think that'sthe opportunity that exists in
front of all of us is to grow adeeper relationship from the
source, of the true source,origin of where we come, and I
think it it makes me feel somuch better at night knowing
that the things that I'm sharing, like on this, I actually this

(01:06:18):
idea on how to test this stuff,tim came up when I was fasting
and literally the night before,I was begging God to give me a
breakthrough, because I'mworking with people who are
suffering and I want to be ableto tell them something that's
accurate and reproducible,that's going to be able to help
them, and they've put in so muchincredible work and done such a

(01:06:39):
great job and stay true to whatthey're doing that I'm just
like, make me a conduit and letme share something with them and
with the world that I know isgood, I know does no harm unless
there's lightning and that, butthat genuinely helps, you know.
And and then, literally the nextmorning, I woke up.

(01:07:01):
And I remember I woke up in themorning, it was a, it was a
Wednesday.
I woke up and shot out of bedand I had an idea, you know, you
know when you get thatinspiration which is like, oh, I
absolutely do, right, and I hadto go and test it.
I actually true story Iactually went outside with my
multimeter, not really knowinghow to use it very well at that
point, and I actually wentoutside with my multimeter, butt

(01:07:22):
naked, oh boy, and I'm in mybackyard and I'm just like
measuring everything fast andtest out, and it works.
And I'm like, oh my God, youknow it works.
And I'm like, oh my god, youknow.
And and god was looking at mehe's like, yeah, dude, this and
I suppose the neighbors werelooking too, you know hey right,
well, I gotta get walls, and itwas early, you know.
So nobody's, nobody's out.
The dogs were looking at melike you too.

(01:07:43):
All right, yeah, you're waitingfor you to do this, but uh, but
yeah, man, it's.
You know.
You get that moment where it'slike, oh, and so now you tell me
, did I figure that out or was Ibeing divinely guided?
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I'm sorry that these people call you idiot oh no, I'm
not.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I think it's hilarious actually, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
but it's still you're taking shots and it doesn't.
And I think I can have somecompassion here with you on this
because you know it's just,they haven't proven the point
and in their life they're,they're jaded to what they do
and you know they can't say Ilove you but and and then not
not?
Have you feel something of that?
So they're, they're in theirown trap.

(01:08:29):
Let them, let them, let them bethere.
You know what to do and you doit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Yeah, you know what that?
I've tossed with this one alittle bit and God definitely
gave me a mouth, you know, and astrong desire to use it.
So I am one of these insanepeople.
I actually enjoy fighting.
So I am one of these insanepeople, I actually enjoy

(01:08:55):
fighting, and not to say that Ienjoy any acrimony, I enjoy the
competition of it.
In this case the intellectualcompetition of it, and I think
it keeps me sharp and I think italso sends a very important

(01:09:16):
message into the world that it'sour duty, especially in this
day and age, to challenge dogmaon either side of the fence.
Oh, for sure, for sure, becausethese are people that are on
our side and I'm like look, Iacknowledge that and acknowledge
the beauty within you for beingon this side.
But I'm not somebody that isseeking to create smaller
enclaves of what we are and morepolarities and things like that

(01:09:39):
.
I'm seeking to build unity here.
Let's search for this universallaw.
What's something that we cansay works for everyone?
I know of two things that I canconfidently say work for every
human being.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
What are they?

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Air and water, air and water, air and water.
Okay, and because of that, Iknow of a third thing sunlight.
You don't have sunlight, youdon't have water, you don't have
air, you don't have life.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
So we have some universal laws being established
, being established, and now, aswe get into this invisible
spectrum of complete and utterwonder that is, you know that,
our electromagnetic frequenciesboth natural and, sadly,
man-made what we start findingis that there's a lot of

(01:10:28):
untapped potential here, a lotof opportunity to explain some
things that have been mysteriesto us, and a lot of
opportunities for us to revisitpreconceived ideas and long-held
superstitions and beliefs.
And when we have theseopportunities in front of us and
we don't take them, I think theworld loses.

(01:10:51):
So it's important for me to go.
You know what you want to tellme.
I love you, but I'm going tounderstand where you're coming
from.
With that, I know the need thatneeds to be fulfilled.
You need to be right.
So I'm not going to give youthat.
I'm going to be a teacher asbest I can in those moments and
challenge you to prove to methat you're right.

(01:11:12):
And if you can prove to meyou're right, I'm objective.
I'm going to change my mind inthe presence of new information.
But if the conversationdevolves into one of dogma,
which they all do so far, I hopethat something I've shared back
with you has put you in aposition where you are now, even
privately, putting your ego inthe closet for a second and

(01:11:37):
giving yourself a chance tore-emerge or I should say
re-engage objectivity, becauseif we can do that for each other
, then the world is going to bea better place for it right.
If only we all had that outlookright well we can we can we well

(01:12:00):
in some variation.
I believe in my heart that weall do all people with goodness
do it's.
Uh, the challenges often comeup with our, our ego getting in
the way of us.
You know, and this is where Ithink it's so important for us
to be like with you, like youhad some words for me today.
I don't know what those wordsare.
I'm not going to try here andsnow your audience and be like,

(01:12:20):
oh, I'm so smart.
I know exactly what Tim issaying.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Well, I didn't do that to position you, not at all
.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
No, no, no, I'm not saying you smarter at this,
you're an electrical engineer.
You think differently.
I'll tell you, in all of theengineering fields, e, double
e's are just a different breed.
You know they, you guys are.
I started out as a double e andI couldn't hack it.
I didn't have the, I didn'thave the gear, you know.
So I was like I'm gonna gobecome a mechanical engineer

(01:12:51):
because I I need something alittle more tangible that I
could see, right.
But what's interesting now is Ican kind of see what you guys
see a little bit more, and Ithink double E's by and large
have a really beautiful way ofseeing the world, especially the
double E's that are stillfascinated by not just the
physics of life but the biologyof life too.

(01:13:13):
I do think you need both toreally reach the full potential
of what a double-E's mind hasthe capability of doing.
And I think that's one of thebig issues in our world right
now.
We have a lot of people who donot bring a balance point.
Philosophy brings a balancepoint to science.
We don't have a lot of peoplebringing balance points to the

(01:13:34):
work they do.
They just are immersed in tosee if they can do something and
not really questioning theethics or morals or safety or
necessity.
They're not really satisfyingthe Socratic pillars of true
thought.
But then again, now you're backinto questions of philosophy.
Just because we can dosomething doesn't mean that we

(01:13:56):
should.
Well, there's always the nays.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Something doesn't mean that we should Wow, there's
, there's always that that thenaysayers and that's okay,
that's say away Doesn't, doesn'taffect my opinion either way.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Exactly Right.
There's nothing that you couldever do that's going to make me
hate you.
I'll disagree with you.
Yeah, you know, but there's,but I'm not going to hate you
for it.
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And I always tell people I say look, your opinion
of me is your business, it hasnothing to do with me.
Nothing to do with me and theylook at you like well, I don't
get it.
I say you're not listening tome, your opinion of me is none
of my business, and they don'tknow what to do.
They shut down.
They kind of go into the littlecocoon and go.

(01:14:40):
Well, he didn't react exactlyright.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
I didn't get what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
There was no mental currency there for them to say
oh well, uh, mr brain, pan yougo, you visit the men's and
you're like dudes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
It is what it is dude , see, what you're talking about
here for all you listeners isyou're talking about an
enlightened, or what I've beenusing a lot lately is a
re-enlightened perspective.
Okay, you know, if this hasbeen your perspective your whole
life, you're enlightened.
You never lost it.
But for many people like me, Ilost it for a little bit and you

(01:15:15):
know you had to.
I had to find it again.
So we're on this journey.
For many of us intore-enlightenment, which you're
discussing here, is like thisgreater truth of understanding
that I am responsible for me,and that includes how I feel
about me, and your opinion ofthe positive or negative doesn't
really have any influence overhow I feel about myself Exactly.

(01:15:38):
Because I understand myexperience of myself is the most
important right in this right,and that's where you but what
you're talking about is reallyspiritual integrity.
In my opinion, at that point,like I get that I'm the one
that's in charge of this, butalso that there's a duty and
responsibility that comes alongwith this and that if I violate
that consciously, I'm creatingkarma in my life that is

(01:16:01):
ultimately going to change mymagnetic field that we were
talking about before.
It's been affected.
We can actually measure thistoo.
Your emotional state changes,your dc voltage output changes,
um, but that that you, so yourmagnetic field does change.
And because um oppos attract inelectricity, but like attracts,
like magnetically, it seems,especially if there's a resonant

(01:16:24):
frequency what ends uphappening is we start attracting
the things that we put outthere.
So if you're intentionallydoing wrong, you attract other
things that are intentionallydoing wrong, so as to generate
the opportunity for a lesson tocome into your life.
And if you get the lesson andusually it's through pain and

(01:16:45):
some hardship, but if you do getthe lesson you learn never to
repeat that again, which is abenefit, but you also get the
blessing of that knowledgemoving forward too, and
therefore become re-enlightenedin the process.
And knowledge is power.
It is the ultimate power.
You can self-power yourself,mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
That's an interesting way you put that.
That's very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Yeah, well, it just seems to be the way it is.
Well, if we accept the highertruth that we are beings of
light and you have ever ponderedand spent time on what actually
light is, you know, that's thething that to me is really cool
is like when you actually stopfor a second and go what is
light?

(01:17:30):
You know, I know, I can go andread about photons and all those
stuff and you know peopleexplaining the phenomenon, but
what is it?
I mean, you're talking aboutsomething that is, the moment it
comes into existence, isalready at the speed that it's
going to obtain.
It's a constant, it doesn'taccelerate or decelerate.

(01:17:53):
From that, it just is right.
And you have to start askingyourself philosophically well,
what actually is that?
Because in our realm, all we'rewe know is is that things
change and that things you knowaccelerate and decelerate and
all this, but not light.
Light just is, it is Right andit's.

(01:18:17):
It's not a and I don't thinkit's an accident that
historically we've alwaysassociated God and our creator
as this, as equated with light,and that false gods or false
beings try to equate themselveswith light too, but ultimately,

(01:18:39):
in their actions, demonstratethat there has been a fall from
that light and that's where youget into the Isaiahs Sure.
Was it Isaiah 14, 12 and thingslike that?
I'm in love with being withexisting at all and I want to

(01:19:02):
share that possibility witheverybody that I come in contact
with, hopefully with words, ofcourse, but through example as
well.
You know that this is.
Every moment you wait, everymoment you're alive is a moment
to be celebrated.
Really, I'm grateful for it.
But every moment you wake up isan opportunity to say thank you
Right, and and get back intothis great thing we call, even
if it's hard.
It's like there's going to bedays where it sucks, but I'd

(01:19:27):
rather have a day that sucksthan not to have that day at all
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Right, because there's a lot of guys six feet
under that don't have that dayanymore.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Exactly, and that's going to be us at some point.
Yep, we won't really be sixfeet under, we'll be somewhere
else.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Or if we're in bed and we get cooked, you know
that's a thing we go to bed andit's nice and dry, and then all
of a sudden we get a rainstorm.
And there I am, crispy tim well, there's crispy too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I was just gonna say crispy tim.
See, we're on the samevibration.
That's resonance right there.
I was just gonna say crispy too.
Yeah, see, we're on the samevibration.
That's resonance right there.
I was just going to say crispyTim.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, I don't mind crispy creams, but crispy Tim.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Crispy Tim.
I like that a little less.
I don't want to be oiled up andfried.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Oh right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Yeah, brother, man, like this is, I mean, it's
really a beautiful thing we getright, no matter how long you
get it, it's really a beautifulthing.
You think about it like.
The thing I keep coming back towith everyone is we didn't have
to exist.
There was nothing that said Ihad to exist ever, let alone be

(01:20:35):
able to achieve the life thatI've been blessed with.
And it makes it for.
It makes every day theopportunity for gratitude.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Well, there's a lot of people hearing your message
here today.
Well, they will when itpublishes, when the episode
drops.
We are now in 75 countries,we'll pass the 70, I'm sorry,
seven languages that I know ofthat are being translated to and
we're well past 45 million.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Wow, dude, congratulations, man.
Way to get that out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
It's yeah, and it's not like a you know underground
bunker type of thing, right,it's just having some common
sense conversations and itdoesn't matter what language or
what you do.
I mean kick back and listen andwhatever your government is,
whatever your political viewsare, sometimes you just got to
be common sense and talking toyou grounds me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I want to live in the world that you're talking about
.
I know that that world soundspretty cool.
I want to go back to the daysof carrying around cardboard and
boom boxes and break dancing inthe middle of the street on a
moment's notice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Too fat and too old for that.
Now that day has passed Well Igot to tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I got to tell you, you know too fat and too old for
that now that that day's passed.
Well, I got to tell you.
I got to tell you there iscertain benefits to having a
little extra poundage on you anda few extra years, few extra
trips around the sun on you,because I'm sure you can enjoy
watching somebody do that, justthe same.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yes, yes, it's a.
It's a past thing for me, butlet's plug.
Do you have a book or what doyou do with your website?
How can we get that out there?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Well, first of all, if anybody wants to come and
hang out with me and join theE-High family, I would say go to
energetichealthinstituteorg.
You can check out our radioshows the wonderful interviews
that I'm doing with you.
The radio shows the wonderfulinterviews that I'm doing with
you, our incredible catalog ofcourses.
We have a great course comingout, I think just tomorrow.
It's going to be Geoengineering, 5g and the Internet of Things,

(01:22:47):
authored by Nikki Florio fromBe Heroic.
It's a course that we stronglyencourage everybody to take, so
they can get very well versed onwhat actually is going on and
some simple solutions to it.
Tomorrow, I should say on the24th of April, we have at 5 pm

(01:23:10):
Pacific and so if this publishesafterward, you can just come in
and watch the replay.
But we havehealingfortheagescom Healing for
the ages.
Yeah, just come in and watchthe replay.
But we have healing for theagescom healing for the ages.
Yeah, and that's where we'regoing to be.
Um talking to be releasing someof my latest research on
microsomal indita as a key later, and dr artist is going to be
releasing some of his researchon um on other, on how some of

(01:23:32):
the drugs are really impactingthe nervous system, and I think
he's going to.
Probably, I hope he's going tobe talking a little bit about
Taurine as well.
He's doing some phenomenalresearch on Taurine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
And the other N word, he says oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
I gave him permission.
I was like, yeah, you got anhonorary brother, so, uh, yeah,
so, so we're going to be doingthat.
Dr Group's going to, of course,be his incredibly enlightened
self I don't think he's everlost the light in his entire
life and Dr Jana is going to besharing some really beautiful

(01:24:07):
stuff.
But we actually open upregistration tomorrow for our
solution summit.
We're doing a one-day virtualsolution summit on May 25th.
Doing a solution at one dayvirtual solution summit on may
25th.
Um and uh, the solution summitis going to be the topic or emfs
and earth.
So it's going to be all thethings that you can do how

(01:24:27):
various herbs support protectionfrom emfs, how, um, how
earthing.
I'm going to be talking aboutthat.
And Dr Artis is going to betalking about how some of the
medications that actually arecontaminated and are working

(01:24:49):
against things like earthing andstuff like that.
So we're going to be talkingabout that.
And, of course, solutions,solutions, solutions.
We're also going to be sharing.
We're bringing in two of ourresearch team members, maria and
Wendy, who have been.
We purchased some reallypowerful microscopes to see
deeper into the blood than we'veever been able to see before

(01:25:10):
and see what's going on.
So we're going to actuallyrelease those and prove to the
world what's going on in theblood right now.
So things that people havenever seen before are going to
be in that conference, andalways a lot of love and a lot
of gratitude.
You know, that's our hallmarkand I think that's the one thing

(01:25:30):
I'm really proud of with allthe work we do together is that
people come in and they comeinto these conferences and these
free masterclasses and thethings that we do, and they come
in and they feel better aboutthe world and about life itself
from what we're bringing to thetable.
So get a little bit of love,energy and a little bit of love,

(01:25:51):
light, laughter, logic into youand that's what we got coming
up.
So go toenergetichealthinstituteorg and
go to healingfortheagescom andmake sure you get connected with
everything we're doing and we'dlove to have you and be
grateful for you and I just wantto say thank you to you for

(01:26:11):
giving me this opportunity to tospeak with you and to reach
your audience all around theworld and let them know that,
yeah, absolutely, you are 100%loved and we are grateful for
you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Well, we are 1.2439 minutes and then seconds into
this thing, so it was kind of along show, but I think it's
worth it and I appreciate youcoming on the show again.
We always love to hear yourpoint of view and stuff and
again you recharge me just bylistening.
So I'm just listening to yougoing.
Dude, you rock this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Thank you so much, and I feel the same way about
you, brother.
It's so awesome to work withyou.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
And make sure that if you would like to rebroadcast
this, knock yourself out.
Send it to whoever you want to.
Artis is going to start redoinghis, and I'm going to do the
other two in Healing of the Agesinterviews coming up.
Christine's going to line us up, so I plan to have a good
conversation with them as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Hey man, Isn't it so much fun talking to all these
cool people.
The one thing about all this iswe found each other right,
Right.
What a gift, what a gift, thatis right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Right and I'll.
I'll try not to be a Tim kebab.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
So we'll we'll watch that.
Okay, no crispy Tims, no crispyTims.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I'm going to say no on that one, but hey, you know,
if it's my time, I guess, uh, Dr.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Lightning, here we go Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
But I do want to thank you for coming on the show
again.
As always, it is veryenlightening and, yeah, I'll get
you a link so you can listenand broadcast and spend and
whatever you want to do, causethis is really good information.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I appreciate it.
Yeah, and I'll get it over toJordan, but I'll I'll make sure
Christina has.
So you have the two emails toget it to and everything so we
can help promote it, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Well as always.
Again, thank you, and forHUTCAST, thanks for listening,
for tuning in, and Dr Elia's gotsome outstanding information
and we're going to try some ofthat.
We're going to do some of thatgrounding.
I'm going to try that and Iactually have some very powerful
lab scopes that we could dothis with.
So I'll report back how thatplays out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I'd love to see it, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Okay, signing off HUTCAST.
Be well, everybody, we'll seeyou next time.
And that's a wrap for hudcast.
Hudcast is again a pragmaticapproach to seeing things how
some people see them.
If you like our show, give us athumbs up on the facebook site

(01:28:49):
again for hudcast.
Thank you again.
Have a wonderful evening you.

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