The Architect of Sound: How Brent Look Designs Musical Experiences

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Ever wondered what life looks like for musicians behind the headliner spotlight? Meet Brent Look, a seasoned guitarist with 35+ years in the music industry who takes us on a journey through his remarkable career with surprising candor and enthusiasm.

The conversation begins with Brent sharing how he transformed his early musical passion into a full-time career almost immediately – a rarity in the industry. While most young musicians juggle day jobs, Brent was already opening for rock icons like Aerosmith and Journey by his late teens. His stories of life on the road with Scott Stapp from Creed, including a profound experience performing for tsunami victims in Japan and for troops aboard an aircraft carrier, reveal the less visible but deeply meaningful moments in a musician's life.

What makes this discussion particularly valuable is Brent's perspective on the music industry's radical transformation. He describes the complete reversal of the business model – from artists making money on album sales while touring served as promotion, to today's landscape where touring and merchandise generate revenue while streaming provides minimal income. For anyone fascinated by music economics, this insider view is gold.

Beyond performance, Brent has diversified into production, engineering, songwriting, and teaching. His approach to music education stands out for its emphasis on motivation and building confidence. The joy he takes in watching students develop – including teaching rock techniques to everyone from pro athletes like Dan Marino's children to Jill DeFerrin – shows a musician who finds fulfillment in passing on his craft.

Whether you're a music enthusiast, an aspiring musician, or simply curious about creative careers, this episode offers rare insights into what sustainable success in the music industry really looks like. Join us for this candid conversation about dedication, adaptation, and the enduring power of authentic musical connection in a digital age.

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Voice Over (00:00):
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And join us on this elevated,informative and lively journey
into the world of all thingsdesign.
Today, on the iDesign Labpodcast, we welcome Brent Look,
a seasoned guitarist with over35 years in the music industry.
He's toured with legends,opened for icons like Aerosmith
and Journey and taught everyonefrom rock stars to pro athletes.

(01:05):
He's a recording artist,producer, engineer and
instructor.
Please welcome Brent Look.

Tiffany Woolley (01:10):
Welcome to the iDesign Lab podcast.
Today we have Brent Look, whowe are fortunate enough to see
at least once a week in ourworld, but who has designed a
very exciting life around music.

Scott Woolley (01:26):
Yes, yes.

Tiffany Woolley (01:28):
And has, you know, quite a career and quite a
story to tell.
So we welcome you today here.

Scott Woolley (01:33):
It's great to be here, and introduce us to you.
So let me just say so.
Brent has been in the musicindustry for a long time.

Tiffany Woolley (01:40):
Okay, I'm jumping in.

Scott Woolley (01:41):
A session player.
He's played with so manydifferent great rock and roll
bands.
Still does I mean?
We just heard that he played atMar-a-Lago with Kid Rock.
Is that correct, Kid Rock?

Brent Look (01:51):
for Donald Trump.
I mean, how cool of a gig isthat?
That was a great gig, yeah, andhe stood up and gave us a big
round of applause.

Scott Woolley (01:59):
But you're also a producer, you're a teacher, I
mean engineer, a songwriter, andyou've worked with so many
interesting and fun people overthe years.

Tiffany Woolley (02:12):
It's safe to say you live, eat and breathe
music.
I live, eat and breathe.

Brent Look (02:16):
In fact, somebody was asking me so what's your
hobby?
Like music, but how do you?

Tiffany Woolley (02:22):
design a life around music.

Scott Woolley (02:24):
How did you get into music?
How did you first?
Is it the guitar or is it?
Yeah, I first started withguitar because you're an amazing
, incredible guitar player aswell yes, I thank you, along
with just about every otherinstrument you can think of.

Brent Look (02:37):
Yeah, I started on guitar, I started taking lessons
and and then I branched outfrom that and I started doing
piano, because once you learnone instrument, to learn the
next one is a little easier,because you know how to practice
, how to excel.
What's important, um, don't godown this rabbit hole.
You'll waste a lot of timeright.
And then I picked up percussiondrums and I always sang all

(03:02):
along and I took lessons, vocallessons also but at what point
did it kind of like gravitateinto a career?
I knew when I was like oh wow.
I knew when I was like 13 yearsold that this was what I was
going to do so did you start aband?
Yes, I made a band we used topractice in my house and drive
my family crazy so because wewere loud but it was great.

(03:26):
And then I kept putting bandstogether.
Then eventually then we startedplaying some clubs.
I found a band that we playedclubs the Moods.

Scott Woolley (03:37):
Was that in Florida?
Yes, it was in Florida, alwaysin Florida.

Brent Look (03:40):
Always in Florida for at least before a national
thing happened.
Florida, always in Florida forat least before a national thing
happened.
So we then I played with theMoods and then we eventually got
a deal and we played at theproducer for the Eagles studio,
bill Simzik, and it was a bassrecording studio which is my

(04:00):
favorite studio of all time.

Tiffany Woolley (04:02):
And where is that?

Brent Look (04:03):
That was in Coconut Grove.

Tiffany Woolley (04:04):
It's no longer there, the Eagles used to record
there.

Brent Look (04:07):
Coconut Grove had so many great little plots like
that yeah and that was underSassoon Records and Filmworks,
which was a relative of VidalSassoon, uh-huh.
And he used Eric Schilling, thegreat Eric Schilling, who was
our engineer, who ended upengineering a lot of my projects
.
Really, yeah, I did a lot withEric Eric's great, so he guided

(04:32):
us, he did that.
And then, you know, we had theMoods.
We opened up for some nationalacts, the Aerosmith yeah, we
opened for Aerosmith, we openedfor Journey, and then I got
involved in the band after that.
After that band kind of had itsway.
Everything was great, but therewere issues in the band.

Tiffany Woolley (04:53):
Personalities.

Brent Look (04:54):
So yeah, we did Mood Candy.
We opened up for some of thoseother acts that I've done, like
the Blue Oyster Cult and HeartCheap Trick A lot of the 80s,
the ones that were big at thattime.
Yeah, those were wonderful days.
I have to tell you a funnystory.
One of our bass players, thefirst big gig we ever did, he

(05:18):
told me he goes.
I'm like, wow, this is going tobe a lot different than playing
at a club, when you open up fora huge act and he goes don't be
nervous, you'll be fine, you'llbe fine, everything's going to
be fine.
So we start playing, I calmdown, you know, and I have
contacts, and I have my contactsin, so I couldn't really make
out the audience.

Tiffany Woolley (05:38):
Oh really.

Brent Look (05:38):
It was like a blur.

Tiffany Woolley (05:40):
Literally.

Brent Look (05:41):
Yeah.
And then I look over at him andI'm supposed to be nervous,
right, and he's standing therelike this.
He was the one that was nervous.
That's so funny.
But I played for Giovanni,which is another artist.

Scott Woolley (06:01):
Ricky Eric was on Universal Music Group and did
some solo work, so you've donethis all in South Florida.

Brent Look (06:05):
Yes, based in South Florida but going different
parts of the country.
And it was great.

Scott Woolley (06:11):
Is there any one memorable tour?

Brent Look (06:15):
Anything with Scott Stapp.
Anything with Scott Stapp wasgreat.

Voice Over (06:20):
Creed Creed yes.

Brent Look (06:23):
Did some shows as Creed.
Most of my shows were as ScottStapp.

Scott Woolley (06:30):
Solo, as solo.

Brent Look (06:32):
And sometimes they were billed as Creed to create a
thing overseas, like in Japan.

Tiffany Woolley (06:37):
So you did that .

Brent Look (06:38):
Yeah, we did the Japan thing.

Tiffany Woolley (06:39):
Amazing, what a fabulous experience.

Brent Look (06:42):
Yeah, it was really good, but there's a little sad
part of that.
We were invited through theState Department and we went
after the tsunami to go visitwith victims' families.

Tiffany Woolley (06:55):
Oh, wow.

Brent Look (06:56):
And we went to where the main tsunami was, and then
we went to the aircraft carrierat George Washington and played
for the troops.

Tiffany Woolley (07:04):
So you played on the aircraft carrier.
Yes, we did.
What a memory.

Brent Look (07:07):
Yeah.
What a memory, so many greatones along the way, me and Scott
were like shell-shocked when wesaw how the tsunami impacted
and how it was wiped out it wastough.

Tiffany Woolley (07:19):
Yeah, I feel like that's something you
probably can only see to believe.
Yeah, you couldn't believe it,Like you have to really see it.

Brent Look (07:24):
We went where?
Because we went through the USgovernment.
We went where the averagecivilian was not allowed to go
Wow.

Scott Woolley (07:32):
So it was pretty incredible.
So some of the perks in goingon tour, yeah, yeah, we were so
tired.

Brent Look (07:41):
I remember doing the set list and me and Scott were
sitting in this room going, okay, here's the 13 songs.
Now on this page there's 14songs.
We just put them in order.
We couldn't figure out what theproblem is.
It's the same songs in adifferent order.
We were so tired because of thetrip getting there and they

(08:03):
moved us pretty quickly andafter about five minutes we're
like wait, we wrote the samesong twice.

Tiffany Woolley (08:11):
The things that happen on tour, right that's
true.
So when did you know that thiswas going to be your career?

Brent Look (08:19):
I actually knew it when I wanted it to be my career
when I was 13,.
I actually knew it when Iwanted it to be my career when I
was 13.
But when I was like 16, 17, Iwasn't old enough to really be
in these clubs, but they used tosneak me in and I'd play for
bands that were much older thanme and I got that experience.
And you know, most of my bandswere always until big things

(08:42):
happened were always much olderthan me Because I was at that
level.

Tiffany Woolley (08:47):
And so how would you go about finding these
bands if they weren't like yourschool friends?
Usually it seemed like theyfound me.
Okay.

Brent Look (08:55):
So it's like I would be at a gig performing and then
other people would say you knowwhat?
Can you come jam with our band?

Scott Woolley (09:03):
But most people who are in the music business at
an early age, like you'retalking about in their teens and
so forth, or early 20s, aren'tgetting work on a regular basis.
So did you have another job oryou were completely covering.

Brent Look (09:16):
That was my job.
That was always my job.

Scott Woolley (09:18):
You paid all your bills just in music.

Brent Look (09:20):
You never had to get that I think I worked at a
clothing store for a couplemonths right, I think it was
called county seat, it was oh mygod, I remember that place yeah
, I think I worked there for acouple months but then, um,
because I said I don't haveenough steady work, you know, so
that was my part-time thing,but things got really steady
after that.

Scott Woolley (09:40):
It was pretty quick so working with so many
different artists and andwell-known artists and
well-known bands and groups, andtouring with them and so forth.
There's been one big changethat's happened over the years,
from when you started analog totoday, digital, digital, and now
it's at a level where recordsare actually coming back, which

(10:01):
is great, especially for ourkids.

Tiffany Woolley (10:01):
That is great.
That is wonderful, it isawesome are actually coming back
, which is great.
Yes, I know it is crazy, right,it is wonderful, it is awesome.

Scott Woolley (10:04):
But how is that like?
Has that affected your career?
Oh yeah, Well, actually youknow Is it good or better or bad
.

Brent Look (10:15):
There's two things Now that I'm doing a lot of this
stuff, releasing stuff under myown record label, chart Top
Records, and my publishingcompany Addison Holdings Music
Publishing.
The old days, to get anythingreally big happening, you had to
be under a major label.
Makes sense and there's noguarantee that that's going to

(10:36):
work out.

Tiffany Woolley (10:36):
Right.

Brent Look (10:38):
Today it's kind of timed itself out right for me,
because today we know a lot ofthese big labels are asking
these big artists to be on theirlabel, where they're begging
for artists a lot of times,because people that are famous
like you know, that are reallybig.
They can do it themselves Right, they might use them for
distribution Right.

(10:58):
But it's completely different.
Back then we remember thatconcert tickets were very
inexpensive.

Tiffany Woolley (11:07):
I know I love what's happening now.

Scott Woolley (11:10):
But music artists were making their money with
selling their albums and weren'tmaking much on touring.
Touring was about promoting thealbum, because it's where you
make your money.
It's the opposite now.

Brent Look (11:19):
But today it's the opposite.
Yeah, you're correct, it's theopposite.
And the merchandising and themerchandise, Merchandisers were
always kind of a big deal evenback then.
But I mean these tours, some ofthese major acts are putting
together, they're cleaning up onthese tours.

Tiffany Woolley (11:34):
Right, and I do like the fact that Kid Rock
recently did make it pretty wellknown that he's trying to make
a passion project to make tour,or I should say concert tickets
affordable again, because it'ssomething that has eluded so
many families.

Brent Look (11:50):
It's crazy what the ticket prices are Ticket prices
are crazy.
They're out of control becausea lot of times you know there's
another seller involved.

Tiffany Woolley (11:59):
A couple in between.

Brent Look (12:00):
Yeah, that's so true , and before you know it, I mean
some of these people.
Like we never had this issueyears ago where people couldn't
afford to go see their favoriteartist.

Tiffany Woolley (12:09):
Correct.
That's just crazy.

Brent Look (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, it's out of hand.

Tiffany Woolley (12:15):
Things have changed in that regard.
Yeah, all right, so let's takeit back a little bit again
further.
So you now decide you're makingyour career through music.
Yes, what did you do on like ageneral basis to stay booked or
to stay, you know, ahead ofthings Like what did your day to
day look like with this as yourcareer.

Brent Look (12:37):
Well, we had people that were booking agents that
always we had for the longesttime we had King Music, which
was this guy named Walter BWalters.

Scott Woolley (12:48):
He was the brother of Suzanne Somers'
manager Suzanne Somers' managerwas her husband, alan Hamill.
Yeah, I dealt with both of them.

Brent Look (12:58):
Yeah, so this guy.
No, I think this was anothermanager before that time.
Okay, because it didn't startout like that.
Yeah, this was an earliermanager because we're going back
a long time here, so it alwaysseemed like there was work.
And then if we couldn't findwork, somebody else in the band

(13:19):
my friend Andy, who played bassguitar would find, make some
phone calls and do it.
They didn't want me to do it somuch because they wanted me to
focus on writing.

Tiffany Woolley (13:28):
Okay.

Scott Woolley (13:29):
So, to do everything you've done.
Did you need to have a manager,an agent, a lawyer?
Yeah, we had agents like that.
Do you still?

Brent Look (13:36):
Is this still important?
No, I've been doing it myself,I think, just only for the fact
that I've been involved in thisfor so long, I know how it works
.
Even though it's changed, thereare many principles of it that
have stayed the same, well, andI feel like it's so cool to
watch, like because, through mygirls, obviously the passion for
music that has been carried onthrough you as well, Like Benson

(14:01):
Boone is coming to mind because, I'm fascinated myself just
watching this evolution ofgrowth.

Tiffany Woolley (14:08):
Yes, and obviously he's the big name that
people know and recognize, butI feel like now there's so much
more emphasis on like his otherband members, like at least for
my girls and I because we sawthem and you know the his girl
guitar became like kind of likeI don't know.
we now see her at Coachella,like.

(14:29):
So people think of theheadliner instead of realizing
the whole crew and the wholegroup and what it really does
take to put together a band andthere's so many other people
having amazing careers besidesjust Benson Boone.
I mean that whole band has anincredible journey ahead.

Brent Look (14:50):
True, and the band thing is something to talk about
too, because it's been for awhile lately that we, like you
were saying we only know thefront person in this band or the
main artist and we don't knowwho the other band members are.
But in the old days we knewthese bands.

Tiffany Woolley (15:06):
You're're right , we knew all the people in
these bands, you're right.
You're right because, look atlike with Benson Boone, I mean
Queen they're bringing out, youknow.
Brian May Brian right andhighlighting all that.
I mean.
I guess that's what I'm tryingto bring.

Brent Look (15:21):
I hope that comes back more because these people,
uh, are a big part of it, right?
I mean, without them, itdoesn't work.
And another thing that you'restarting to see a little bit
more of we went through a periodof time where different tours
were always completely differentbackground performers in the
band, and you're seeing a lot ofthese bands.

(15:41):
Keep some of these people andthey're part of the band.
That's it.
This is the band.

Scott Woolley (15:46):
Well, I think a lot of it is.
Music's changed over the years.
So in the 80s and the 90s therewere bands, you know the Bon.
Jovies, the Billy Joels, theSpringsteens.
They came up together literallyyeah and you did know all the
members of the band, but then,as rap came in and it became one
guy, it became one person, eventhough there are other people
but you never knew, it wasn'tdiscussed those names and those

(16:09):
people.

Tiffany Woolley (16:10):
Or the longevity wasn't there either.

Brent Look (16:14):
That's true.
It's a welcome change if westart knowing more members in
these bands, if they keep thesame band.

Tiffany Woolley (16:23):
Which I feel like is so critical to actual
music.

Brent Look (16:28):
Yes, do you mean it is?
And you know a lot of thesebands that we grew up with.
They all played a part inwriting of these tunes.
It wasn't like the writers werecompletely.
Now we know that there arepeople that write songs and the
bands and artists end up usingthem, but there was a lot of
music coming from inside thatband.

Tiffany Woolley (16:50):
Yes.

Brent Look (16:50):
Creating inside that band.

Tiffany Woolley (16:51):
And when you say creating music, is that the
tune or is that the lyrics?

Brent Look (16:55):
That can be both.
A lot of times.
Whoever the singer is willobviously do the lyrics, but
sometimes it happens by somebodyelse that might be great at
lyrics.
They just don't sing well.

Tiffany Woolley (17:07):
So we're having we've had that conversation,
yeah, a few times.
We've had some these behind thescene conversations.

Scott Woolley (17:15):
Like you know, we're going through that process
now with you, with, yes, theruffles, the ruffles.
It's going to be a great band.
So you know, started writingsongs and now you're producing
those songs, bringing thosesongs to life.
You know the whole designprocess and creating and making
a song.
You know, and hopefully itbecomes a magical song that

(17:37):
people will love and follow andwant to play and listen to you
know and it's quite a process,you know, in creating songs and
just from the writing, and thenyou know putting the right
instruments behind it.

Brent Look (17:51):
Yes, and when we record them in the studio.
They're going to learn a lotfrom that also, right, seeing
how it's put together rightthere, like you know what, I
think there should be a keyboardpart on that part, correct you
know.
And I think the band shoulddrop out now.
We've done a lot of that nowwithout being in the studio and
I kind of guide them.

(18:11):
I try not to create the partfor them, I try to guide them in
the direction where they'llcome up with it, the process of
thinking, you know, like on thelatest song, the bridge, there's
no bridge.
Well, what if we go to F?
I mean, it's in the key.
We haven't gone there once.
Let's go there, right, you knowso.

Scott Woolley (18:31):
So how is that process when you're in a
recording studio with you know,a Scott staff or someone?

Brent Look (18:37):
else.

Scott Woolley (18:41):
You know, is it an arduous process?
Is it a process that just comesout?
You know, I wrote a bookrecently and I explained to
people it was like giving birthto a baby.
Because you know how that isthe aggravation of just the
stress of trying to get all thewords out and get your thoughts
out.
And why it's in your head toget it done, but how?

(19:03):
Difficult is that from astandpoint of producing a song.

Brent Look (19:07):
And well you kind of have an idea of what you want.
But you know, when you get intoa full studio you might hear
things a little different.
And you're like, now that I'mhearing it back, you know, I
kind of want to change that part.
So you have an outline butanything goes in there.
I mean, there's been times inmy studio I'll come up with a
part that goes over a verse orchorus, just like this song is

(19:31):
missing something, and you'llcome up with the part in the
studio on the spot and you'relike that makes it, that makes
it completely.
You know, and it's production.
What can I do?
You know something I learnedfrom the great Eric Schilling.
That always taught me Eric,because Eric's had a lot of
success and he always told me hegoes, it's like a film.

(19:53):
He said and you know film verywell he goes, it's like a film.
Do you think the audience isgetting bored?
You know, and when he told mewe worked on writing songs, when
he guided, he helped me a lottoo, like with production stuff
early on, because he did a lotof my stuff.
So he would say you know whatyou're, you're losing, you're

(20:14):
losing your uh, my attentionhere on this part.
You're on the second verse.
What I like the first verse andchorus.
What are you going to do on thesecond verse to keep me
interested?
That's different than thatfirst verse.
That keeps the verse together.
Add this.
Let's do this.
Maybe have this happen.
Take this out.
Now the second chorus.
We're up to the second chorus.

(20:35):
Let's make it a little busierthan the first chorus.

Scott Woolley (20:40):
For people who are listening and watching this
podcast, explain to them EricSchilling.

Brent Look (20:45):
Eric Schilling is somebody who played a major part
in early parts of my career allthe way up through early 2000s,
did a bunch of my solo projects, did the Moods.
My first band did Mood, whichwas a derivative of the Moods
Band, and then the otherderivative of the Mood Band,
mood Candy.
He did that too and he's donesome of my solo stuff.

(21:08):
Eric is Eric is an engineer.

Scott Woolley (21:10):
And he's worked with a lot of other.

Brent Look (21:11):
Yeah, Eric has 31 platinum albums on his belt.
And like, I think, like I don'tknow, 17 Grammys Something
crazy and a couple of Emmys, andI know he does the audio
production for, I believe, theGrammys and the Latin Grammys.
But I learned a lot from himbecause he was working with

(21:33):
these artists.
He wasn't a producer on most ofthat, he was an engineer, but
he's sitting next to theseproducers all the time for so
many years.

Tiffany Woolley (21:42):
Yeah, it's like seeped in.

Brent Look (21:45):
So I learned a lot from that.

Tiffany Woolley (21:47):
So what was your?
Rock and roll is probably yourprimary genre, but you're
versatile.
How do you keep yourself likeable to?
To do all yeah, yeah, and Ihave to jump in to wear a lot of
different hats.

Brent Look (22:05):
Yeah, and that can be tough sometimes.
But you know when I have tojump in to wear a lot of
different hats, yeah, and thatcan be tough sometimes.
But you know, when I wastrained young I did rock a lot
of my own time as far as lessonsI'm talking.
But I took classical and I tookjazz, both on guitar and piano,
and then I studied it alsounder drums.
So I knew I learned a lot fromthose.

(22:25):
I even had a jazz guitarteacher.
Tell me once he goes you'relearning all this stuff with me.
Because you're going to takeall this stuff you're learning,
you're going to put into a rocksong.

Tiffany Woolley (22:33):
I'm like, yeah, that's what you know.
So do you like rock better than?

Brent Look (22:38):
rock is my favorite thing, but this uh, but
classical is pretty awesome soyou've been.

Scott Woolley (22:45):
You've been a teacher for a long time.

Brent Look (22:46):
Yes.

Scott Woolley (22:47):
With a lot of interesting students yes, as you
know.
Teaching music and teachingdrums, teaching piano, teaching
guitar, working with vocals yes.
Helping create songs yes, andso forth.
I mean, you're a teacher to ourthree kids, yes, and guiding
them in their career.
But Jill DeFerrin, who was avery good friend, of ours.

Brent Look (23:09):
He took some guitar from me, dan.

Scott Woolley (23:10):
Marino's kids I taught Tell us about teaching
people.
How is that teachingindividuals?

Brent Look (23:18):
Yeah, well, it gives me.
It's different than teaching inclass because from the first
lesson on, I'm like studying andsee what they even if they're
from the beginning what comeseasy to them, what comes harder
to them, and that kind of givesme a roadmap.
Okay, we're going to do this,but I'm also going to spend a

(23:41):
little time extra on this,because that's a little harder
for them.
And the bottom line is, when Iteach, I want them to learn what
they need and I teach themsongs that I think they're going
to need to help their skills,and I also teach them stuff that
they like, because if they likeit, the motivation is big.

Scott Woolley (24:02):
Well, you, have a unique way of teaching as well.
You're a very positive,motivating individual that
really seems to home in on anindividual and lift them up in
teaching them.
I mean, I've seen it firsthand.

Voice Over (24:18):
Yeah, I want them to love it.

Scott Woolley (24:19):
You have a talent in just how you interact with
people and teaching them.
Did you learn that from someone?

Brent Look (24:25):
Did you experience that from someone?
No, I've always done that.
I just want to motivate Alwaysbeen a positive person, positive
motivation and get them tobelieve, but also tell them if
you know you got to spend moretime, you got to work harder
here.

Tiffany Woolley (24:37):
How bad do you want it?

Scott Woolley (24:40):
but most people look at okay, I gotta learn
music, or as kids learn you know.
Oh, what is that?
This is going to be a pain inthe ass.
Oh, this is a drudgery.

Brent Look (24:49):
But you changed that whole feeling yeah, I'm always
trying to figure out thesituation.
How am I going to get thisperson motivated?
What do they like, right?
What am I going to do to getthem the most?
Motivation is the big thing.

Scott Woolley (25:04):
Yeah, I think that what we're talking about
from a music standpoint andlessons is so important for the
youth.
You know and I'll say in thiscountry because I know that when
we went to school, music was abig thing in school.

Tiffany Woolley (25:18):
Yes, it died for a while it's still a big
thing.

Scott Woolley (25:22):
It's not what it was.
It's not what it was.
Yeah, no, it's not.

Brent Look (25:28):
And the arts, and it's good for their thinking.

Tiffany Woolley (25:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, it gives them something to do.
Of course, and it's good fortheir thinking.
Yeah, it gives them somethingto do.
It's good for learning.
It's like thinking in anotherlanguage, totally.

Brent Look (25:36):
Yeah, how to perfect , how to get good.
Well, it's Even withcompetition, like if they're in
school band or something.
It's a competition and life iscompetition.
It's so true.

Scott Woolley (25:44):
What I see the most important is the
self-esteem, the confidence, theconfidence it gives kids to be
able to get up in front ofpeople and play Like our kids.

Tiffany Woolley (25:56):
Now they can't wait to get up in front of the
next stage.
I love that.

Brent Look (26:01):
They can't wait.
They love it.

Tiffany Woolley (26:03):
I love that they really do.
They play all day, sunday too.
It's their thing, it really is.

Brent Look (26:09):
I love working with them and they do really well
individually.
And then the audience, I'lltell them.
Then we play together as a bandand that's great to be able to
work on them one-on-one, andthen we play as a band.

Tiffany Woolley (26:23):
And they started harmonizing and it's so
impressive and I also find thempicking up new things so much
faster.
That's right, I mean.
So that makes me understand alittle bit more behind my own
love of music.
But to realize like this is avibe, it is, it's a flow, and

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once they learn like.

Brent Look (26:45):
When they learn like , let's say, they learn this
song with harmony, this songwith harmony.
The next song to do the harmony, even if it's a different
harmony, is going to be easier.
You know, harmony, the nextsong to do the harmony, even if
it's a different harmony, isgoing to be easier, you know.
So I, I was telling them insome bands I would sing lead on
some songs and some songs Iwould sing harmony on the

(27:05):
choruses or verses or whatever.
And I was telling, um, I wastelling them, I'm like, after a
while it just becomes natural.
They sing the lead line, youhear it and you just harmonize
it right away.
Right, that's what'll happen.

Scott Woolley (27:18):
So you've worked with so many interesting, unique
and great you know musicartists and yes and so forth.
Is there any one trait that youkind of see that they all have?
Uh, that makes them you, youknow, great.

Brent Look (27:34):
One of the things it's like the dedication.
The dedication, yeah, you knowlike.

Scott Woolley (27:39):
So it's very much like an athlete.

Brent Look (27:41):
So you know music artist it is, I think it is.
It's the dedication the time,it's totally dedication.
They want it so bad.

Tiffany Woolley (27:49):
Yeah, they live .

Brent Look (27:50):
They live and breathe.

Tiffany Woolley (27:51):
Breathe yeah.

Brent Look (27:52):
Obviously, you know, especially with anybody, they
have to keep doing what they'redoing, like to be in school and
do well there.
And if they have a job, theyhave to keep doing well at their
job.
But their spare time is, like,so dedicated to music and some
artists get the like.
I was very fortunate, I hardlyhad to work a real job.

Tiffany Woolley (28:12):
Right, which is really amazing that you were
able to build a life of doingwhat you love.

Brent Look (28:19):
That's why they say you never work a day in your
life, then yeah, and it's likeanything else, it's networking
and putting yourself out there.

Tiffany Woolley (28:31):
And you've had a lot of growth through the
industry yourself.
I mean, what would be like yourfavorite part of it?
I guess, what is your mostexciting part of being in this
industry?

Brent Look (28:45):
I think, the most exciting part is building
something.
I love building songs.
I love building songs withother artists.
I really do love performing too, too.
So you're using the word build.

Scott Woolley (28:57):
Like I would use the word create, create.

Brent Look (29:00):
Yes, that's a different word, but you're
building upon something byadding.
I think of it because you'readding layers to it as you're
designing it and creating it,and I probably always call it
Because I, like in general, Iuse the word build a lot Because
when I was in high school Iused to hang out with this guy
who used to build custom guitars.
Oh wow, Start from thebeginning and build the guitar.

(29:20):
I learned a lot.

Tiffany Woolley (29:21):
So how do you even talk about an instrument?
How do you know if yourinstrument is good?
I mean, obviously it soundsgood, but how do you evolve and
grow, like in that whole genre Imean?

Brent Look (29:35):
Do my particular instrument.

Tiffany Woolley (29:37):
Yeah, the instrument, yeah, I actually try
to use, knowing which ones arebetter.

Scott Woolley (29:41):
So what are you kind of saying, Like what's the
difference?

Tiffany Woolley (29:43):
Yeah, the brands and, you know, are they
keeping up?
Like we were having a podcastthe other day and they were
saying like how for Tiger Woodstrying to deal with Nike and
supposedly like Nike'sinstruments were well, they're
his golf clubs.

Brent Look (29:57):
But they were terrible.
Yeah, we see that all the timein endorsement things.

Tiffany Woolley (30:02):
Right, like, how do you align yourself with
certain guitar?
I mean, I've seen yourcollections pretty impressive
and it's just, I guess, how dowe, you know, as a layperson,
know it?
Well, you know, it's like.

Brent Look (30:14):
Tiger Woods and like a lot of these people, they're
pro at whatever they do.
They start to figure out overthe years.
What is the best thing for themDoesn't mean it's the best
instrument for somebody elseRight.
But it usually should mean thata really name brand, quality
company.
You'll probably find somethingthere, but I have found

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instruments that are off-brand.
And for some reason I'm like whydoes this sound so good and why
does this play so good?
I could have gotten lucky,because even if things come off
assembly lines especially withinstruments like guitars and
violins no two are ever the same.

Tiffany Woolley (30:52):
Which is yeah, that's a whole nother, and you
might get lucky and findsomething really amazing.

Brent Look (30:57):
And we will see some of these artists like,
especially with guitar playersand bass players, like Sting's
been using the same bass forever.
We saw, you know, some of theseguitar players.
Brian May's been using the sameguitar forever.
Really, yeah, they built that.
I think themselves.
Him and his father, I think,built that guitar when he was
younger.
But I have certain things thatI really like and if it feels

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good in my hand and sounds goodbecause I'm getting older, I
just want to make sure that Ican play.
I play a lot.
If you count how much I playwith my students, I'm playing
all day, so I mean it's nonstop.
And then when I'm not playingwith my students, I'm practicing
at home.
My hands are getting like whenI get people to tell me they're

(31:42):
young and go, my hand hurts.

Tiffany Woolley (31:43):
I'm like you ain't seen nothing yet, you know
, I mean your hands need to beinsured.

Brent Look (31:47):
I mean those are your, that's my life, those are
your life, yeah, but when I finda guitar that sounds really
good and I like the way it is.
We're using guitar as anexample and I can play all day
and I have no hand pain.
That's a winner for me, Really.
Yeah, Because now the guitarsthat I have there's a reason I
have these different guitars.

(32:08):
I can play nonstop, have nohand pain.

Tiffany Woolley (32:10):
That's amazing actually.

Brent Look (32:12):
Something with the design obviously yeah, and I had
a guitar company build a customguitar for me once and, uh,
everything was really good andthey couldn't get the wood.
After a while, they're buildingthis custom guitar and I
designed it.
It was going to be great.
Then they couldn't get the woodthey were supposed to get and
not thinking that when theyfinished the guitar, instead of

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it weighing 8 pounds, it weighed13 and a half pounds.

Tiffany Woolley (32:37):
That's crazy.
So what is the weight of anaverage guitar?

Brent Look (32:42):
I would say somewhere around 8 pounds 8.5.
You could go up to 9.
They vary, Like if you look atthe same guitar out of the same
factory, same model, they canvary a little bit.
But I kept telling my wife whenI had that guitar I'm like my
leg is going numb, I wonder ifthere's something wrong with me.
And she's like, have you beenplaying that guitar?
It was literally from the point, it was pointy, it was

(33:04):
literally making my leg go numb.

Tiffany Woolley (33:07):
And then I said it oh my gosh.

Scott Woolley (33:09):
But you play a wide range of instruments.
Yes, I mean, but you play awide range of instruments,
guitar being your primary.
Do you prefer any otherinstruments?
I love?

Brent Look (33:21):
piano, I love piano and I love drums a lot.
Percussion is great.
I mean, it's the whole grooveof the song.

Tiffany Woolley (33:28):
Yeah, it's the majority of the songs too.

Scott Woolley (33:35):
So, in your course of producing music and
creating music, are you layingtracks where you're playing all
the instruments?

Brent Look (33:38):
Yes, I've done complete albums, laying, done
all the instruments.
I did this one thing buildunder Mood Candy through a
Canadian label.
I did that.
I played every instrument onthat record.
I played all the drums, all thebass, all the guitars, all the
keyboards, all the drums, allthe bass, all the guitars, all
the keyboards, all the vocals.
And then Eric Schilling came inand helped me put it all

(34:01):
together and fix some of mysmall engineering errors.

Tiffany Woolley (34:05):
I mean to me, there's so many different brain
powers that you're dealing withit's hard.
I mean, it's really like a lotof and even with now like the
amps and all that kind of liketo me.
I don't even understand how allthat works.

Brent Look (34:19):
Yeah, a lot of times , you know we'll use amps.
We also have things that godirectly into the computer now
that sound very good, but I'mstill an amp guy.
I have an endorsement deal withthe Hiwan Amplification Company
and I love their stuff sothey've been very good to me so
I'll use it.
They found me online, that'samazing.

Tiffany Woolley (34:39):
They found you online they found me online.

Brent Look (34:41):
I was doing a video of me playing through a HiWatt
amplifier and they really likedit and they reached out to me.
Would you like to be anendorsed artist?
Sure, why not I use them allthe time.

Tiffany Woolley (34:55):
Well, and I would think too, you could bring
such, you know, other people totheir amp.
Yes, and they've grown a lotthese last years.

Brent Look (35:01):
In the 70s that amplifier company.
Everybody was using them.
They were all these old videosof studio stuff.
You'll always see one of thosehigh watts there.
Really, now they've made acomeback.

Scott Woolley (35:14):
Why do you think they've made a comeback?

Brent Look (35:15):
Well, it's been bought and sold a couple times
and there was some deal wherethey sold they couldn't use the
name in North America.
I don't know what that deal was, but now they own the full
rights again and the productionis up and there are major music
stores across, you know, across.
Many nations are starting topick them up again.

Scott Woolley (35:38):
So you've opened for a lot of very interesting
and great bands.
Yes, and it's been fun.
So when you're opening up for aband like Journey or Aerosmith,
what goes through your headbefore getting on stage, where
you're opening up a band likethat is uh are you trying?
To do?
Are you trying to get on stagethat the crowd likes you better

(35:59):
than you?

Brent Look (36:01):
know, yeah, I think there's always a competition
factor in me, even though I knowthat people are there to see
the other band mostly, you know,and pretty much a lot and and
the sound might not be as goodas them.
Why is that?
I always think that they don'tturn everything on for the
opening act.

Tiffany Woolley (36:21):
Oh, that's so funny to think that Really.

Brent Look (36:23):
Yeah, I don't know how it is now, but I used to
think that I'm like, yeah, theseEQs right here, we'll leave
them off for now, that's funny.
So you don't have someone onyour team, we have somebody on
our end, but they're not goingto be completely familiar with
the whole setup that they'rerunning, Because we, especially
back in the analog days, we knowhow much gear was all over the
place.
I tell you it's more digitallyoriented Is it really yeah so

(36:45):
it's a lot less gear, a lot less.

Scott Woolley (36:47):
So do you consider, do you think that's
good or bad?
Do you prefer the analog?

Brent Look (36:52):
I think the analog is really cool, but I think
cost-wise.

Voice Over (36:58):
I'm doing a tour.

Brent Look (36:59):
I mean the digital is better.
Digital with the light showmight not be as bright sometimes
.
Some of the analog stuff waswow.
As we know, 500 watt cans oflights or 1,000 watts melt the
drummer Right.

Tiffany Woolley (37:13):
It's pretty 100-watt cans of lights or 1,000
watts, melt the drummer.

Scott Woolley (37:15):
Right Right, I'm a really poor guy.
It's pretty interesting thatthey may not make you sound like
you sound.
You know what's wild.

Brent Look (37:23):
I came up with that thing one time and I thought it.
I can't remember what artistwas the headliner, but I saw
this band Stars S-T-A-R-S-E andthey had some success.
Many big artists thought theywere a great band.
They were managed by the samepeople that did Kiss.
They needed a lot of attention.
Everything was geared towardsKiss, was it Doc McGee?

(37:45):
No, I think Doc might have donesomething with Bill Acorn or
something.

Voice Over (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brent Look (37:51):
I think that's what it was.
And I saw them open up now Ican't remember the name of the
headlining act figures.
I saw them open up I'm like,yeah, that sounds pretty good.
Then I saw them in town twomonths later in a smaller venue,
being the headliner, and itsounded great and I was like

(38:12):
that's weird.
Huh.
You know that's why I startedgetting this idea.
But it could have been thevenue, could have been the venue
, but they frequency analyze allthat stuff.
You know that it's much betterthan so.

Scott Woolley (38:23):
Being in the being in the music industry as
long as you have, has there beena significant change that you
would say has been the mostsignificant change in the
industry being in it From whenyou started to where we are
today.

Brent Look (38:36):
Well, obviously one of the things we talked about
was the tours are the bigmoney-making item.
The streams, the artists don'tget much off each stream.
It's like what?

Tiffany Woolley (38:46):
I don't even understand all that 0.005 cents
per stream or something.

Brent Look (38:51):
So when you say stream, that's not somebody
buying the song.
Right, because there's nophysical item.

Tiffany Woolley (38:57):
It's a download of like.

Brent Look (38:59):
Right, or just a stream where you're just
listening to it.

Scott Woolley (39:02):
Well, it's like a BMI ASCAP kind of royalty,
where it's so small it's so,yeah, you've just got to play
Well and it's like now there'smusic that you can add to a post
on social media.

Tiffany Woolley (39:12):
That's true, and there's just the music is.

Brent Look (39:15):
But that also makes it so, me being a smaller artist
that I have so many differentoutlets to do this myself.

Tiffany Woolley (39:23):
Yeah, you get your back.

Scott Woolley (39:24):
People can access you.
So do you have a library ofmusic that you own?
That's yours?
Yeah, Do you monetize it?

Brent Look (39:31):
Do you?
Yeah, I have stuff that'smonetized.
Most of that stuff will come onYouTube when it's monetized the
commercials.
Youtube is probably the bestbet for any of that, because
when you do Spotify, apple andeverything, it's the small
percentage where we talked aboutand the way you get around.
That is, if you're a superstar,instead of getting a million

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albums sold, you can getbillions of streams.
I hadn't expected somebodyrecently, but the billion
streams still doesn't.

Scott Woolley (40:05):
In these days and times doesn't equate to very
much money.

Brent Look (40:08):
But it equates a lot better than smaller artists.
Smaller artists aren't makingmuch at all, correct?
But the youtube is probably thebest thing because you get that
similar monitor uh, you getthat similar money off that.
But you also have commercialsyou get money off of.
We're not talking big unlessyou're big, right, unless you

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really catch on, but you, you dohave the two aspects, yeah yeah
.
So I have a catalog.
I own some stuff I split upwith a bunch of people that
wrote it, but most of the stuffI own all the rights.

Tiffany Woolley (40:45):
Would you ever share those and have other
people produce it or sing it?

Brent Look (40:50):
Yes, yes, I would do that.
I would totally do that.
I did this one thing where Idid a volkswagen commercial once
.
They took one of my songs and Igot money from that and not
enough, but I got money fromthat and they took my vocals off
the song.
Can you send me the song?
Can you send us a song withoutthe vocals?
I'm like why you don't like myvocals?
No, it's a background thing.

Tiffany Woolley (41:11):
You know oh that's so funny.

Scott Woolley (41:14):
So, is there a good career in creating music
like that and trying to sell it,trying to license it?

Brent Look (41:23):
Yeah, I think today, unless you're on tour, I think
the best way is to try to getother avenues, try to get other
people to do your songs, becauseyou're not out there promoting
it.
And years ago I was always outthere promoting for years and

(41:44):
years and years and years.
I think I'm just burnt out onthat whole thing, but I miss it
a little bit.

Scott Woolley (41:52):
So if there was, I got a question.
If there was one artist thatyou could sit down with and ask
them a question or two, oh,that's tough.
Who would that artist be?
What would that question be?
Is there an artist that youmaybe never sat and you would
have loved to have sat with andasked?

Brent Look (42:11):
Oh boy, that's really tough.
Wow, you know who would begreat to talk to?
Would be, and this is not mine,I know who mine is what is
yours, just curious, tell meyours.

Scott Woolley (42:22):
Mine.
Well, I've met so many.

Brent Look (42:24):
You've met so many.

Scott Woolley (42:25):
I've had the opportunity to sit with so many.
Elvis Presley.

Tiffany Woolley (42:28):
He was so, so obsessed with Elvis.

Brent Look (42:31):
Elvis would be.
That's a great answer.

Scott Woolley (42:32):
A couple years, like three years ago, at
Christmastime, with my wholefamily and relatives and there
must have been 30 people sittingaround the table having
Christmas dinner we were allasking everyone I don't know if
you remember this everyone wasasking who would you like to
meet?

Brent Look (42:45):
That's a great question, and I've always
thought the one person that Ihave never met I would love to
spend a day with would be ElvisPresley.
Wow, that's a great answer.

Tiffany Woolley (43:02):
That's tough to beat that answer, and what
would you ask?

Brent Look (43:03):
him.
I mean I would love to met JimiHendrix.
I don't know if I would spendthe day with him.
I spent time with RichieBlackmore, so I couldn't do that
.
When I was a 15-year-old kid, Igot to jam with the guy.
What?

Scott Woolley (43:16):
were you telling me?

Brent Look (43:17):
Yeah, I said, yeah, I know the song backwards and
forwards, forwards and backwardsand I played it for him.
He goes that's really good, butthat's wrong.
And then he sat there andeverybody's like, wow, you got
him on a good day.
So Jimi Hendrix might be aperson that you Jimi Hendrix,
but also, which is surprisingfor me, I like to sit down with
Elton John and watch him playhe's a talent too, Because he

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blows me away At this age.
He's on stage and he's jammingout a lot of these parts.

Scott Woolley (43:47):
We got the opportunity.
It's.

Tiffany Woolley (43:49):
Long time ago.

Scott Woolley (43:49):
Long time ago.
Yeah, small little group ofpeople in a room for dinner,
yeah, and Elton was there at thedinner got up, got on the piano
and for 90 minutes, just himand the piano.
Wow, I'm going to tell you, itsounded like he had the entire
band behind him and it was justhim singing and playing the

(44:12):
piano, and it was the sound thathe got out of.
That piano was just.

Voice Over (44:17):
Wow and.

Scott Woolley (44:17):
Tiffany and I sat there and we were just like,
and we were like 10 feet fromhim while he put an hour and a
half playing.
It was amazing, wow, amazing.

Tiffany Woolley (44:26):
Well, and he's like one of those you know
once-in-a-generationalindividuals too he is, but I've
always loved how he had thatpartnership with that, bernie
Tom.

Brent Look (44:36):
Yeah, that worked.

Tiffany Woolley (44:37):
And it worked, and they knew it and they babied
it and they just basted it andreally took it to another level.

Brent Look (44:47):
Yeah, and I think some people forget how much of
an amazing piano player he is,because last time I saw him play
years I don't know four or fiveyears ago.
I mean he's up there playingand I know they're jamming out.
I mean I'm talking like hisperformances are like flawless.

Voice Over (45:05):
Yeah.

Brent Look (45:06):
And a lot of it's off the top of his head.

Scott Woolley (45:08):
I've seen him many times.
Yeah, you know him, and BillyJoel him by himself.

Tiffany Woolley (45:12):
Yeah, remember that face-to-face tour.
Oh, that was awesome.

Scott Woolley (45:14):
Oh so good, but the night that he got up and
played for all of us.
I mean, I'm telling you that heplayed for 90 minutes and it
sounded like he had the entireband riffing, because the sound
he got out of that piano wasincredible and his voice was
just off the Richter scale.
Yeah, it was just off therectus scale.

Brent Look (45:31):
Yeah, I saw him recently with somebody I can't
remember on the TV.
I can't remember who it was andthis was recent.
I know he's not touring, buthe's still going to do some
shows.

Tiffany Woolley (45:40):
Oh, he does yeah.

Brent Look (45:41):
Yeah, and I was still blown away.
I'm like, wow, he's older andhis vocal, you know, because you
know, when people get olderthey start to lose their vocal a
little bit.
It, you know, I always say thepeople that lose it first.
Yeah, you still got it.

Tiffany Woolley (45:53):
He does the ones that yelled their whole
rock career I had a musicteacher in high school who told
me that I forget what artist hewas like.
That person will not have avoice in 10 years or something
like that.

Scott Woolley (46:04):
It's amazing like stephen toller lasted this long
which I remember as a kid, tomjones they used to say that
about yeah, that his voicewouldn't last.
But he's still, yeah, stillplaying.

Tiffany Woolley (46:15):
Why?
Because they're like pullingfrom a different vocal place or
something.
Yeah, he was yelling out he wasa great performer as well.

Brent Look (46:23):
Yeah, and see like, I saw Duran Duran recently in
Vegas and he sounds great.
No yelling in that, right, noyelling.
And then I saw who else was Isaying?
Oh, my friend saw Steve Millerand he said Brent, he sounded
great.
I'm like that's because henever yelled Right.

Voice Over (46:43):
Wow.

Tiffany Woolley (46:43):
Wow.

Scott Woolley (46:44):
It does play.
So Jimi Hendrix, anyone elsebesides Jimi Hendrix?
Oh, that's rough.

Brent Look (46:48):
I would have said the Elvis thing in my top three,
because that's a that changedrock and roll.
I know I would have loved tosit down with Chuck Berry.

Scott Woolley (46:57):
I've had that opportunity a number of times.
Oh, you're very lucky.
Yeah, he's a wonderful guy yeah.

Brent Look (47:03):
I mean, like he changed everything for guitar
too.
You know, and there were somany times in guitar polls.
You know, we get mad and welook at our favorite thing.
We look at top 10 or top 20polls and we're like why is that
person not in there?
Why are you up on number three?
You should be on 23.
And now I seem creeped more upin these polls.

(47:24):
It's like an athlete sometimes,and I hate when athletes, when
they do athlete stuff, theycompare records today compared
to years ago.

Tiffany Woolley (47:33):
Yeah, you can't .
That's not fair man, it's not,I agree.

Brent Look (47:37):
Yeah, so like I mean , think about the training.

Scott Woolley (47:39):
Well, if you compare it the same way and you
think what you're saying and youthink about music yeah, Think
about the amount of artists fromyears ago that performed, sang
but could really play aninstrument yeah, Either it be
piano or guitar or drums Today.

(48:00):
Like, who are the bands thatare coming out today that you
can say they're really great onthe guitar or drums?

Brent Look (48:05):
That's true, and we can fix everything digitally.

Tiffany Woolley (48:08):
Yeah, which is kind of bizarre to think about.
It is.

Brent Look (48:11):
You know today, a long time ago, I learned because
I would charge when I didstudio work.
I would charge kind of by thehour and I'd say, but three hour
minimum, Right, right.
And then you go in and theycopy and paste your parts all
over the place and I'm like I'monly doing three hours.

(48:32):
But the old days I was probablythere making money the whole
day, yeah, but like I learnedthat lesson really quickly.
Then Eric Schilling taught mehe goes, you can't charge like
that anymore.
These are not the old days.
You charge by the project.

Tiffany Woolley (48:45):
Have you ever played a music festival?

Brent Look (48:48):
Yes, I've played some music festivals, boy.
That was a long time ago.
I did that with the Moods bands, where there are many, many
different bands.
That one I have not Now, if Iwould have stayed with the Scott
Stapp thing.
He's been doing more musicfestivals a lot recently than
he's ever done, so that's howthey're making these big

(49:08):
concerts.
They get all these people tocome there, correct?

Tiffany Woolley (49:11):
They bring their fans.
It.
That's what I mean.
It's like stage coaches thisweekend.
I'm like seeing all that Stagecoach, I think, this weekend.

Brent Look (49:20):
Yeah, but you know what I'd love to do?
Some festivals, that'd be a lotof fun.

Scott Woolley (49:24):
So, going back to because you've played with so
many different and interestingand great people yes, Is there
an individual?
If you had the opportunity toplay with that you never have,
who would that be?

Brent Look (49:36):
Oh, that's really tough, boy, that's really tough.

Scott Woolley (49:46):
Boy, they could be dead or alive.

Brent Look (49:48):
Oh, they could be dead or alive.
That's a song by the way.
Wow, I would have loved to bythe way, yes, wow, I would have
loved to jam with the Hendrix.
I would have loved.
That would have been probablymy One of my big ones.
And there was a jazz guy namedAlan Holsworth who is a guitar
player's guitar player.
Like people that are reallylegendary guitar players have

(50:12):
talked about, that guy scares mereally.
He's just so great.
And so eddie van halen is hestill alive?
He died some years ago, four orfive years I believe.
Eddie van halen even paid forone of his records and other
famous guitar players go, thatguy is like, uh, even heavy
metal guys.
You wouldn't think because hewas like jazz fusion, even heavy

(50:34):
metal guys.
Go like.
I saw somebody the other day.
This guy, ingway malmsteen,who's a very famous heavy metal
guitar player, says who blew youaway the most?
he goes, alan holdworth, he goes, my god really that being a guy
I'm not familiar with that nameor, or I did get to jam with
Jaco Pastore, the legendary bassplayer who passed away, but I

(50:56):
never got to spend time with him, you know, right, that would
have been awesome, yeah,interesting.
But the Hendrix thing I wouldthink would be awesome.

Tiffany Woolley (51:06):
I mean, I feel like everybody with a guitar
passion wants five minutes ofthat.

Brent Look (51:11):
Yeah, or Eddie Van Halen would be another good one
for guitar.

Tiffany Woolley (51:14):
He's another one that was gone too soon too
yeah.

Brent Look (51:19):
But as far as the day with that would be Elton
John.
Elton John, yeah, I want towatch him play, Because piano, I
love piano too.
Can you show me that run?

Tiffany Woolley (51:29):
Songwriting.
So to me it's the lyrics.

Brent Look (51:32):
How'd you come up with that?

Tiffany Woolley (51:34):
Yeah, and I love hearing the stories behind
all those too.

Voice Over (51:37):
That's right.

Tiffany Woolley (51:37):
What are your thoughts on these artists coming
up today?
Are you impressed?
I'm starting to really like yes, I'm getting impressed again.

Brent Look (51:45):
Okay, there was a period of time, and I have
nothing against rap, but I'mjust saying there was rap, rap,
rap, rap, rap.
Yes, and I don't have anythingagainst rap, right I?

Tiffany Woolley (51:57):
kind of like the old school rap better
because it was fun and not soserious.
And it was fun most people do,yeah it wasn't as dark it wasn't
as dark.

Brent Look (52:04):
That's a great way to put it, but some of these new
artists that are coming up arevery talented, I feel so excited
again myself.

Tiffany Woolley (52:11):
Maybe I'm only paying attention to it because
my kids are bringing it to myforefront, but I feel like we're
kind of in this resurgence ofbands and teams and music and
the words, the lyrics, they're,I mean, clever.

Scott Woolley (52:30):
But they're music artists that are basically
singers.
A lot of them don't write theirown music.
Yes, and most of them, don'tplay an instrument.
That's true, maybe they knowhow to play an instrument, but
they're not performing theirinstrument on stage.

Brent Look (52:43):
Right, they're not showing their skill.
You mentioned Benson Boone,who's really popular.
They're not showing their skillon an instrument with their
vocal.

Tiffany Woolley (52:50):
Yeah, he doesn't Right.
We don't have as much of that,I agree, you know just another
one who's playing stadiums, buthe's singing, singing, yeah,
yeah, he's singing.

Scott Woolley (53:00):
You got to give some respect to Taylor Swift,
because she plays the piano, sheplays the guitar and she's a
worker.
Yes, those three and a halfhour concerts and with her she
does like promote.

Tiffany Woolley (53:14):
I would say her opening acts are literally huge
.

Brent Look (53:18):
That's true.

Tiffany Woolley (53:19):
I mean my girls felt like they went to a whole
other concert.

Brent Look (53:22):
Can I tell you something?
She is so big and her openingacts are so important, but I
think she'd sell the thing outall by herself.

Tiffany Woolley (53:29):
Oh, without it out, oh yeah.

Brent Look (53:32):
Wow, we haven't seen anything like this with her,
with an artist, in a while.
That's a newer artist, you know, no, but you know, if you think
back, we have an artist in thepast, like 20 years ago or so
that, like when John Mayer wasreally breaking out.

Tiffany Woolley (53:48):
Okay, you're right.

Brent Look (53:48):
He was Okay, you're right, the guy can sing great
and play great, so I neverreally cared for him.

Scott Woolley (53:53):
Yeah, but I was involved in promoting a jingle
ball a number of years ago.

Tiffany Woolley (53:58):
And he was like what are you?

Scott Woolley (54:00):
doing.
He wasn't a headliner.
He played in the middle of the10 acts and so forth and I
happened to get like 10 tickets.
We sat right in the front rowin the center, yeah.

Tiffany Woolley (54:11):
Because I was very involved.
My kids want to know why hedoesn't have that pole anymore.
But I took a bunch of Tiffanyand I.

Scott Woolley (54:17):
We took a bunch of great good friends and so
forth, and he got up with astool, sat on the edge of the
stage right up front with astool and a guitar and I was
blown away.
I could not believe that thisguy could just rip a guitar.
I could not believe that thisguy could just rip a guitar.
It just was fantastic.
He's so good.

Brent Look (54:38):
I had a whole other respect for him after that show.
You know, I think you'vestumbled upon something that I
think that I know this, but Idon't talk about it.
People that can carry the wholething by themselves.

Tiffany Woolley (54:49):
Yeah, a one-man band, literally, that's tough.

Scott Woolley (54:52):
He sat there.
I I mean honest, a little stool.
That was stood up on the stoolwith the guitar and for 25
minutes because they were allshort.
You know the jingle ball is andhe just every song was just
yeah.

Tiffany Woolley (55:09):
Keegan do the rights yeah, I was on say he
does write sings and plays singsvery well and plays very well.
Yeah, that doesn't happen asmuch anymore but I feel like
there was like he didn't, hedidn't grow through, like I feel
like he kinda plateaued, hejust disappeared but we went to
another thing, yeah it wasactually for a wake for a person

(55:31):
that we knew, a friend.

Scott Woolley (55:32):
We went to Minnesota and Rob Thomas yeah,
in a small little place, yeah,performed in honor of our friend
because he knew him.
Yeah, same thing.
When Rob got up, you know, hestood, I don't know, played for
20 minutes and he was guitar andhim singing.

Voice Over (55:49):
That's just awesome.

Scott Woolley (55:51):
Yeah, and again it was like another whole
respect for him, Another verygood singer.

Tiffany Woolley (55:56):
Yeah, he's a talent too.

Scott Woolley (55:58):
He kept everyone just mesmerized by that 15, 20
minutes that he sang.
Yeah, he played the guitar.

Brent Look (56:05):
Yeah, I don't think I've ever done a big show where
it's by myself, but it wouldn'tbug me I'd do it.
I did shows with the ScottStapp where sometimes we didn't
have a band and it'd be a largeaudience but just me and him
right you know like here I amtrying to mold three guitar
players into one three guitarparts into one acoustic part.

Tiffany Woolley (56:25):
But just such a challenge, I mean it's, it's
tough but I, but I could see youdoing that.

Scott Woolley (56:29):
Yeah, I know.

Tiffany Woolley (56:30):
And enjoying it .

Brent Look (56:31):
Yeah, and then you understand how when you have a
famous composition, like aclassical piece, and you have to
make it for piano and let's sayit was for an orchestra- and
you have to choose.

Voice Over (56:43):
What parts am I going to?

Brent Look (56:44):
put on this piano song.

Scott Woolley (56:46):
You're going to obviously leave some stuff out,
and I just want to say foranyone who's listening and
watching us at this podcast isthey should look you up.
Oh, that's so nice of you,thank you.

Brent Look (56:58):
Just type in my name .
I know which is so awesome.

Scott Woolley (57:01):
You're an individual, like I just said
about the two other guys, thatwhen you start playing the
guitar it's mesmerizing, it'slike wow.

Tiffany Woolley (57:11):
Thank you.

Brent Look (57:14):
I'm always trying to get better and better and
better.
You know, it's so funny, likerichie blackmore told me.
You know, like a reg artistthey say you want to get here
skill wise, you want to get tothis level, and he told me this
is the second time I spent timewith him.
He told me this is the secondtime I've spent time with him.
He told me he goes, but thenyou get there and you're like

(57:35):
you know what?
I really want to go here.

Tiffany Woolley (57:38):
And it just keeps going.

Brent Look (57:39):
That's the best, that's the scale.
So.

Scott Woolley (57:41):
Richie Blackmore and you'll understand this used
to be, or was, the guitarist forDeep Purple.
Okay, so, when you met all theguys from Deep Purple, I
produced Deep Purple.

Brent Look (57:52):
DVD, that's right, and Steve Morris, I bet no it
was Steve Morris, yes.

Tiffany Woolley (57:57):
That was a fun night.

Scott Woolley (58:01):
And all the guys at Deep Purple that day were all
hanging out with Tiffany, yeah.

Tiffany Woolley (58:05):
That was my almost famous day.
Like that movie.
No, I got you Totally.

Scott Woolley (58:12):
And when I you know, over the years producing
shows, I always would bring aguitar and have the band sign it
afterwards, and a lot of timesI used that guitar for I would
give it to a charity orsomething to be sold off and
auctioned off because it wouldbe signed by all these great
people.
And that particular day I saidTiffany your job today, because
she wanted to come to the showand just see what's going on and

(58:34):
producing a live music show.

Tiffany Woolley (58:35):
I didn't really know any of the music.

Scott Woolley (58:38):
She didn't know the music that day either and I
said just go around, becausethey all wanted to talk to
Tiffany and hang out with heryeah.
And I said just have all theguys sign it.
So she had all the guys sign it, but didn't have him.
Morris signed it.
And I signed it, but didn'thave him.
Morris signed it.
And then he came over to herand was like what's wrong with
me?
How come I'm not going to signthe guitar?

Brent Look (58:58):
That's so funny.
Do you want my autograph?

Tiffany Woolley (59:01):
No, no, no, that's so funny.

Brent Look (59:04):
That's a hard role to fill when you get famous
people in a band and you replacethem.

Tiffany Woolley (59:09):
Yes, I know that's a lot of stress, isn't it
?
The guy from Journey did thatright.

Brent Look (59:14):
Oh, they got the singer when they replaced him.

Tiffany Woolley (59:16):
The singer that was so crazy From the
Philippines.
Yeah, that was crazy.

Brent Look (59:20):
You replace somebody really famous.
That's a tough thing.

Tiffany Woolley (59:23):
Yeah, that is so crazy and he actually did a
pretty good job.

Scott Woolley (59:26):
Yeah, I mean Not the same as.

Tiffany Woolley (59:28):
Steve.

Brent Look (59:29):
Perry, what's that?
I mean it resurrected the bandand they found him on YouTube.
I think, yeah, I know.

Tiffany Woolley (59:36):
So YouTube is quite an interesting thing.

Scott Woolley (59:37):
Youtube is a big deal and because of that, inxs
tried to do the same thing.
Yes, oh, they did.
Yeah, they tried to replace,and find someone to replace,
michael Hutchinson, but itdidn't work out.

Brent Look (59:49):
Yeah, sometimes it doesn't work.

Scott Woolley (59:51):
I think they created a television like a
reality show to try to find thenew band member.
Wow, years ago, wow, didn'twork out.

Brent Look (59:57):
Yeah, You'll find people, but it's got to gel with
the band too.
You got to gel.

Tiffany Woolley (01:00:02):
It does.
It has to work Well.
It's exciting Fun day.

Scott Woolley (01:00:06):
Yeah, fun day, so we appreciate you sitting with
us.
I had a great time Chatting andtalking.
I had a great time.
So much fun.

Tiffany Woolley (01:00:15):
We look forward to you showing up at the house
every week, now twice a week.
I know I feel so grateful.
Well, I'm not coming today.

Brent Look (01:00:18):
I didn't make one for today, okay, but we'll do
next Thursday, but I'll see youon Saturday, awesome.

Scott Woolley (01:00:27):
I'll see you on Saturday and we'll very soon I
want to do it at Criterion.

Brent Look (01:00:29):
If we can do it, that'd be wonderful, and I love
that place.

Tiffany Woolley (01:00:34):
So check out Brent, look and check out the
Ruffles.

Brent Look (01:00:38):
Check out the Ruffles, follow us.

Tiffany Woolley (01:00:41):
Follow us.

Brent Look (01:00:44):
Totally yeah.
So we'll get that done and I'mreally excited Because I'm ready
for us to start the next songwith the Ruffles band.
So I need that when you have achance.

Scott Woolley (01:00:54):
Which is another interesting and great thing
about your career and what youbring to the table especially
people listening is that we'resitting with a guy, that if
you've got a family, and therange of looking and wanting to
produce or create a band.

Brent Look (01:01:11):
I've done it.
I even worked at that Pinecrestschool for a while, part-time,
because I couldn't do full-time,I was too busy.
But my big thing was, like, canyou make bands for us, like
rock bands?
So, I created like three rockbands in one school.

Scott Woolley (01:01:25):
We need more bands, and there's a lot of
talented kids out there thatjust don't have the opportunity.

Brent Look (01:01:33):
Yeah, when they gave me the thing and they said you
want to do this at the school,you'll create these bands, I'm
like that's great.
I would love to do that for toget these kids into this because
they used music was a biggerpart in school years ago
appreciate you being with ustoday.
So much for having.
Thanks for listening.

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