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colleyc (00:18):
Music.
You've got it out of your teeth.
I can see you're only perfectlystill All right.
Here we are, people, welcomeback to another episode of If it
Be your Will podcast.
We are in season five.
(00:40):
I have Finn coming in fromIreland.
We'll find out exactly wherefrom bedrooms, an amazing indie
pop shoegazy drenched with lovemusic that we're going to talk
about.
His latest record came out in2024.
(01:00):
So just not that long ago,called Perfectly Still, and it's
such a beautiful record.
Um finn, thanks so much alsoagain for hopping on here and
carving a little piece of yourday out for us no problem, my
pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Um, I love talking
about all this kind of stuff,
you know me too.
colleyc (01:19):
So here we go.
So I love to start off kind ofjust kind of your roots, you
know of like some tangiblemoments that happened in your
early years that kind of led youto where you are now.
Are there some moments thatkind of stick out in your memory
as to you know, foundational ortipping points where music
(01:41):
really was like OK, this is, Ineed to have this in in my life
absolutely.
Fionn Montague (01:47):
I think it's
very fitting that we're my time
talking on as kind of Saturdayafternoon evening because, uh,
growing up so neither my parentsplay music but my dad is a huge
music fan.
So growing up at the weekend,spending a lot of time, you know
, with my parents, there wasalways music on when I was a kid
(02:09):
and even still now, onSaturdays, my dad would always
make he's a great cook and he'dalways make some sort of pasta
dish, lasagna or spaghetti orsomething, and he'd always have
music on and it was usuallydisco and soul music.
So, growing up, chic, niallrogers, bernard edwards when I
hear lost in music, or uh bysister sledge, or I want your
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love by chic, it really bringsme back to that place.
And so that was kind ofsaturdays.
And then on sund he would makea big, you know, like a roast
dinner and we would listen toDionne Warwick singing, burt
Bacharach and Hal David songsand that's what I grew up with
(02:54):
and you know I didn't startthinking about I kind of wanting
to when I started writing musicthat I it was songs that I
wanted to write that had strongmelodies and that were catchy
and structured really, reallywell.
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So that stuff, I kind ofrealized I was like, oh, that
had a big impact.
And it wasn't until years later, when I kind of started to go
and out and listening to dancemusic, that I ended up coming
back to like chic and thensomewhat to like Dion Warwick
and being like oh well, yeah, Ireally love this music and it
has this like nostalgic aspectto being a kid and by first kind
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of taking in music, um.
So, yeah, that stuff had like amassive impact on me and then,
kind of when I was 11, then Istarted learning to play guitar
and a few years later, you know,trying to write songs, nice and
what your first songs like doyou remember some?
colleyc (04:00):
of those and like how
they came together and what
inspired you to.
Fionn Montague (04:04):
You know find
the lyrics in this in the music
for it it was, I think, as wellwith the bands that I've always
been referencing, like, alongwith that, like the kind of like
trifecta core for me in termsof wanting to very much
influence in how I play guitarand writing songs, were like you
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two or em and the smiths, um,three like great guitar players
who were very much so focused onthe songs and bringing melody
to the songs.
And, okay, johnny mara, for thesmiths, is a bit of a virtuoso
but, but, but.
But they were so focused onbringing stuff to the song.
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So, anyway, that was my alwaysmy jumping off point.
So when I started writing songsit was just all my music
musical skill is like kind offoundationally found in learning
songs on guitar by osmosis,realizing that core, certain
chords go together.
Now that I know music theorystuff, I'm like, oh, there's
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reasons they go together.
But at the time I was like, oh,this is just, these chords seem
to come up a lot, so I'll justcopy, you know, I'll copy what
they're doing and try and put myown kind of originality or take
on it.
So, um, in terms of like withbedrooms devin, who's the lead
singer, he and I went to highschool together and, uh, we and
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we actually went to the highschool that you two met and
became band in.
Wow, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, and it kind of fitsif, if, when people know the
school, it's a very artistickind of liberal, progressive
kind of high school, so it fitsthat lots of artistic people
come out of it.
But we started writing songstogether when we were like 16
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and you know that's prettyamazing.
Yeah, yeah, it's been a longjourney together and I think,
while obviously it's changed alot, the kind of foundation and
core of, as I already said, likesongs and wanted to write
strong songs with melody.
That's always been at and coreof, as I already said, like
songs and wanted to write strongsongs with melody.
That's always been at the coreof, like what we want to do.
So that was there.
It's so good.
And back to your question, thatwas there in the early days,
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but you know we were alsolistening to the sex pistols, so
we were like, let's like, throwthese chords together and just
make some straight up rockingpunk songs.
You know, bangers yeah, exactlylike uh, like mash the kind of
the choruses of like you two orsomething, but then also just
like get a bit gnarly with itand for sure I think everyone
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has those foundational bandslike nirvana and the sex pistols
and the smiths and stuff youknow yeah, yeah and and finn,
what?
colleyc (06:42):
what's um structure?
Structure?
Or I was talking the other daywith another artist and we were
talking about the formula ofwriting songs.
Do you find that you and who'syour lead vocal?
Can you shout out?
Fionn Montague (06:58):
Yeah, devin is
his name.
Originally born in Toronto,actually.
colleyc (07:03):
Okay, so an expat
Canadian, exactly, and did you
guys come up with a formula thatworked well together for the
two of you when you were writingsongs?
Fionn Montague (07:15):
That's a very
good question.
I would say it just camethrough repetition and, again,
just kind of emulating what thepeople we were influenced by
were doing, always, just kind ofstarting with basic chords for
a song and, because he's thesinger, he'd always bring a
lyric or a melody and then maybeif I brought something, it
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would be a riff and a set ofchords.
But it kind of in our early, wewere in a band in high school
and it was very much one of uswould write like a full song and
a whole set of lyrics and andthen play the whole thing.
But then when we startedbedrooms, it over time started
being more like we'd bring anidea to a practice space and
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then between us all like jammingout and try and work out where
it would go, um, and like tryinglike yeah, we spent like a lot
of time, particularly with thisalbum, like the songs.
The core of the songs was prettymuch there from the start, but
we were like constantly tryingto make it better and when do
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you know a song is appropriateto bring into that practice
space and to, like, introduce itto the other members?
colleyc (08:32):
Do you like, when
you're, when you're thinking of
a riff or a series of chords, doyou get a sense of when it
might have legs to it and whenit just might not?
You got to shelve it, like, doyou get that sense of?
Okay, I'm on to something hereyou get it.
Fionn Montague (08:47):
I would say,
when you bring it to the
practice, when you gaugepeople's reaction of whether
they actually like something,you know if you might play
something there's.
I mean, there's so many songswe've probably played once and
and then we'd, we'd all comeback.
Oh yeah, let's, let's maybe trythat next week, and it's
usually a sign of like we'renever playing this again, that
(09:09):
you know.
But yeah, we would gauge it bylike playing it together and
like if we all had that kind ofthere's a look that you share
with each other, where you kindof go like, oh, there's
something happening here, right,and you can just tell that you
know there's something's.
So there's something happeninghere, right, um, and you can
just tell that's.
You know there's somethingcatchy, there's something about
it that's really appealing.
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But I would say, like there'sideas.
I've had where I've been like,oh, this is it, like this is our
hit, and I bring it to apractice space and it's very
quickly like oh, nobody elselikes this, okay, great, um, and
and vice versa.
You know, you can kind of tellif there's muted, muted reaction
of like, yeah, that's reallycool, uh or like you know, if
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it's like oh, this is what youknow.
If it's good, because somebodylike this is what we should do,
and you try this and let's,let's play that again nice, nice
and like I was listening toafterglow, the, the little EP
you put out I guess it was in2021, right Three amazing songs
on it.
Thank you, how is like?
I wanted to ask you because Ihear the difference right, like
(10:14):
how is your song sound, evolvedover those?
You know, five years from thatrelease to this, the full record
that you guys just put out inin 2024.
It was.
I would say that EP was thestart of us on the kind of sonic
wave that ended up with thisalbum.
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Like when we started asBedrooms, our first songs you
can't we kind of came in withfoundational, as I've always
said, but like more likereference points, people like
pavement for sure right, andlike pavement guided by voices
uh, you know, people likedinosaur junior, and so when we
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started as bedrooms still, thecore was about writing good
songs, but the first singles werecorded were just kind of like
the two best songs that we had.
And when we went to the studioI was just so excited to be like
, wow, we're actually going torecord a song.
And by the time we didAfterglow, we were consciously
thinking about the sound that wewanted for our music.
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That we wanted for our music.
We did that EP and our albumwith our producer, bill
Ryder-Jones, who is an amazingsongwriter and musician of his
own accord.
He's from Liverpool and wewanted to work with Bill because
we knew he has a certain soundand we wanted him to put that
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sound on us and we thought hecould get the best out of where
we wanted to go and get the bestout of us, um, so it was really
working with bill and pullinglike it was a very conscious
thing that we developed thatsound.
You know, our first singleswere just like I just said, like
our first singles, and then wehad a song it was our third
single called Bus Lanes, and atthe time that was kind of like
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our like slow song and then wekind of started thinking about
what if, like, we just kind ofwrite every song in that a bit
slower and with a focus oncreating, like space, it was
also a way to get the best outof devon's voice and he's a
really really unique and specialvoice and it's it's so key to
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our sound that it was like wehad to try and maximize it, and
so that was kind of part of thereason.
So, working with bill, thefirst time we worked with him on
Afterglow, it was just soimmediate, like we're huge fans
of his music so we were quitenervous going to work with him.
But on the first, so the firstsong of that EP For Today, I
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remember we were doing the firstguide track and he just turned
to us like, oh, this kind ofsounds like Duster, do you guys
like duster?
And we were like oh uh, yeah,we're, we're like really trying
to reference them, and he's likeoh yeah, I hear that and it was
just immediate that we felt socomfortable with him and then
that kind of he connected toyour music as well completely.
(13:16):
yeah, we connected as it wentfrom like us working with a hero
to this guy's our friend andand collaborator and he wants to
get the best out of us.
colleyc (13:26):
Yeah, right, that's so
cool, yeah, and I agree with the
vocal that you're that you'rereferencing.
It has almost this pastoralfeel to it, you know, like very
warm and connections to nature.
I come to, you know like itbrings me there.
But on the earlier stuff therewas much more of that sonic like
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in your face, you know whichand it seems like you parted
that back a little bit so thatthere's an, there's a, an
evenality across the track wherethere's nothing one thing
that's dominating over the other, and it just creates this like
magical sonic landscape yeah, Iagree, I think like we were
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trying to blend different stylestogether.
Fionn Montague (14:12):
So like coming
into the band, like I said, the
foundations of people, likepavement, and also in terms of
the nature thing, I think, well,one we're from ireland, so
that's kind of like as much aslike we're from dublin, we're
from the you know, most urbanpart of the whole country but
like that stuff is just part ofour ecosystem.
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A big like the genesis tobedroom starting was that devin
and I spent a summer livingtogether in Seattle and I think
that just the like rich musicalhistory beyond Nirvana and Pearl
Jam and Alice and Chains, whohad a big influence on us, but
actually the landscape in thePacific Northwest, all the
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amazing music that's come out ofthere for sure had a big
influence on the sound that weaspired to and particularly like
elliot smith obviously is likea big vocal influence for devon
in terms of like double trackingall of his vocals, which when
we first did it I didn't reallyknow what double tracking was
and now I love it and evensometimes when I'm recording
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music I'll triple track stuffbecause I love the sound of it,
you know, um, but like I wouldsay that had a big influence.
So it's just kind of embracingdifferent styles.
You know, we started off just anindie band started bringing in
more kind of slower like peoplelike duster, galaxy 500 or like
shoegaze sounds, and then overthis period that we wrote the
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album, bringing in more folksounds, people like big thief or
I don't know if you know slowpulp stuff like that yeah, that
kind of big effect on us that'swicked, that's wicked.
colleyc (15:55):
So I mean, this
record's been out for for bit of
time now.
What do you guys think of itlooking back on it, like, how
has it been received in Irelandand you know Dublin, and what's
been the kind of fallout fromthe release of it for you guys?
Fionn Montague (16:12):
It's been
amazing, to be honest, I like
the day that it came out.
I remember kind of thinking, oh, we've released music and even
we'd released two singles up tothat point from the album, and I
was like, so I know what thefeeling is like, but I I didn't,
to be honest, like the day thatit came out.
(16:33):
It was just like just thefulfillment, I guess, is really
what I would say Like the yearsof putting an effort to hone our
craft, to listen to all themusic that we study, you know.
Um, that all came through andlike I think what's always a
good tell is like when peoplecontact you and say like I'm not
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just saying this because you'remy friend or because you're my
whatever family member, I reallylike this.
It's always actually I actuallylike this.
So I had loads.
It's always the same andsometimes it still happens
People be like oh, I actuallyreally like this.
I'm not just trying to make youfeel good about this.
colleyc (17:18):
So that's always a good
sign.
Fionn Montague (17:19):
Yeah, um so like
that's always a good yeah it's
so funny that's always a goodsign and lots of people said it
to us and even like I just kindof knew I think I always knew
that we could be a good band andthat the music.
I guess I'm just honestly I'm soobsessive about music, I'm so
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passionate about art and theeffects it's had on me and what
it's given me in my life, and Itake it so seriously that I'm
like if I'm making music, it hasto be good, it has to be of
quality, and I think that I kindof the albums that I hold in a
canon.
I'm not saying our album is asgood as that, but it is on a par
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, you know it.
It has a cohesiveness, it has asound.
A good friend of mine said tome he was like you can tell that
, because I said to him I waslike, oh yeah, like I kind of
wanted to make an album that Iwould like to listen to.
You know, if I heard a band putthis out, I'd be like, oh, this
is great, I really like this.
And somebody said to me like youcan tell that you can tell that
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you're fans of the music, thatyou know what you're trying to
do well, it must be fun playingthis in front of people as well,
like, just like getting theenergy from the crowd and also
your excitement about creatingthat sound for them.
Can you walk us through alittle bit?
Like what, what's a live show?
Like when we go to bedrooms,what, what, what can we expect?
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I would say it's far moreshoegazy when we play live.
Okay, which makes sense becauseyou know you've got the energy.
You're kind of being a bitlouder.
Devin can only have one vocal,so we don't have all the layered
vocals going on.
It's my time to shine.
I'm like turning the pedals upto 100 and be like I'm gonna,
I'm gonna go hard here for a bitand well, I'd let the songs do
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the talking.
We, when we released the album,we played a gig in a venue in
dublin called wheelins, which isa really like historic venue,
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like so many people like jeffbuckley, and so it's an
institution in dublin, and weplayed there the week after and
we sold it out and and it wasamazing to have lots of family
and friends.
But there was also like fansthere, people we'd never met,
like people coming up to usbeing like, oh, we love your
band, we drove from this part ofIreland to come see you and we
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kind of were like wow, oh, oh,my god, thanks so much like you
actually came to see us.
So it was like a reallyemotional and amazing, amazing
night.
So, yeah, I would say we justyeah, we let the songs do the
talking and try and keep it abit loose yeah, and what would
success mean for you guys?
colleyc (20:16):
like, what, if, if some
order to say, okay, well,
what's, what's your idea ofsuccess for bedrooms?
How, like, what are your guysideas of of feeling successful?
I mean beyond making tons ofmoney and, and you know, hitting
stadiums?
Like, how do you guys feel thatinternally that that you've I
mean already, just with themusic you put out, I'm super
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successful stuff?
Do you guys have a vision forthe future of where you would
like to see yourselves down theroad?
Fionn Montague (20:44):
I think that
we've already achieved some of
the success we, I think from myperspective, I would say that,
like now that I've been in aband for a few years absolutely
listen.
Like when you start playingmusic you're like we're gonna
conquer the world.
You know everyone does.
And then when you get into itand like you know, being in a
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band and the commitment that ittakes is tough, you know, and
especially like you know themodern music industry, there's
so little money in it.
It takes so much dedication andeffort and that for us to, I
think, like every littlesignpost along the way, like
working with bill rider jones onthat ep, that was a success.
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That was something we were likewow, he was kind of our dream
person to work with, so and ithappened like pretty quickly and
and and then when it happened,you know it was like, oh, we
click with this guy, he likes usas people and as musicians, so
like that was the success.
And then developing our soundand releasing this album, like
that was a success.
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I think it's such a bigachievement, yeah it is and
honestly, and I know why down,like I'll never be able to put
into words what it means to me,but because it is just a feeling
, but it is an achievement and Iknow how quick, you know, like
anything in life, you move on soquickly you're on to the next
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thing but that's it.
But for us, like to get thatalbum out and get the reception
it did, like that was, that was100 percent of success for us.
And in the future I'm who knowsI honestly, like, I think I
guess trying to like do that wassuch a big project, to like get
it over the line.
And, like you know, we don'thave a label, so we funded
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everything ourselves.
And you know it's funny, it'slike when I see my grandparents
and they're like, oh, how's theband?
Like kind of jokingly beinglike how much money you're
making, I'm like the money thatI've put into this band and the
money I've gone out aredrastically different.
You know there is no comparison, um, but I would do it all
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again, you know, without,without a doubt.
So, like, I think that albumthat's, you know, whatever else
happens with us like that is ourlegacy and something that, like
, we can like actually stand upon and and you know again, like
I've had friends say that to mebe like, wow, I was genuinely.
And.
And you know again, like I'vehad friends say that to me be
like wow, I was genuinely like Ithought you guys were good, but
that I was really impressed,amazing yeah, so what?
colleyc (23:15):
what does 2025 look
like for bedrooms?
What?
What's coming down the pipe foryou guys in this, this year of
2025?
Fionn Montague (23:25):
I think I want
to try and get the album out in
vinyl.
It was something that we wantto do again.
It's just the cost when you'refunding everything yourself.
Maybe if we could get like anirish label, like a small irish
label, to give us some kind ofbacking, and that would be
something that I would reallywant to do.
We obviously wanted to try andtie it in, but and just
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financially it wasn't feasibleat the time.
And and you're also kind oflike oh, what if we get a
hundred copies printed andnobody likes it and then we've
got a hundred finals sittingthere.
But now that I know that it hasgotten a good reaction, we're
kind of like, okay, that wouldbe something you know worth
doing and I guess, trying tojust like, yeah, still promote
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that as much as we can.
We're kind of like that took somuch effort.
We're kind of taking like justa bit of time out for ourselves
at the moment to like do otherstuff in our lives.
But that's something I want totry and do is like get that
album out because it just itmeans so much to us.
colleyc (24:26):
Yeah yeah, absolutely,
absolutely.
I think it'd sound amazing onvinyl too.
Fionn Montague (24:30):
It's just I, I
agree.
And the guys who bill, and hisengineer, nat, who makes the
album like they.
I saw them a few months ago.
They were playing the gig indublin and they were saying that
they were like it sounds likeyou need to get this out on
vinyl.
Like it sounds, sounds like aproper album.
So I was like, okay, I'm goingto do that Right on.
Well, I wish you a ton ofsuccess and hustle to to get
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that done, but I mean, I I havethis belief that this will get,
we'll get done.
Um, you guys seem like um a.
You guys seem like a reallyorganized band and focused on
the prize, which is doing whatyou love, which is the music.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I think it's just likethat is always being, something.
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You know, that has been alwaysbeen.
Our focus is like makingsomething that's good.
You know, I know so manyartists who play more gigs than
us, but I'm like when it, whenpush comes to shove, if we have
to write a good song, we'll bethere like 100 and is the
songwriting ongoing, as always,um, like, you're always noodling
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and and thinking about future?
yeah, yeah, definitely, anddeveloping.
You know, trying to take newapproaches and change things up.
Like the approach that we liketook in bedrooms changed so much
like a, like you alreadyreferenced in the ep, and like
that was kind of the start ofsomething.
We were very influenced bysomeone like alex g and kind of
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like taking his frameworks andbeing like what if we tried that
and try to bring in some of oursounds with that?
You know very, yeah, the choiceswe made in terms of the
songwriting, like we're veryconscious in the band and I
think naturally, since then,like the week after we released
the album, me and devin werekind of talking about, uh, you
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know, oh, you know if and whenwe do a second album.
You know this is all the thingsyou know we would do
differently.
And you know, bring if and whenwe do a second album.
You know this is all the thingsyou know we would do
differently.
And you know, bring in all thesynthesizers and fuck everything
up so it can be like you know.
Oh, so it's not as beautifuland lush as the first album, but
I think that's just Bringingsome of your roots, some of that
R&B and the disco back.
(26:40):
Yeah exactly.
It's just.
Every artist wants to havetheir David Bowie burn-in phase
where it's like I'm going to gocompletely obscure and do
something totally different.
colleyc (26:51):
Amazing.
Well, I mean, this is a solidrecord.
I mean I talked to you a littlebit before we hopped on about
just the ordering of them andthe sequencing.
It's a record that just playsthrough so easily, one song
feeding into the next, into thenext.
It's a real accomplishment,finan, I mean congratulations on
putting this out, thank you.
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And also thank you for puttingit out.
Fionn Montague (27:15):
It's made my
life a lot happier when, I put
it on and listen, and before Ifinish I have to.
if I don't mention Dane, ourbass player I haven't just
mentioned Devin so many timeshe'll kill me, but it was, you
know, when we did the album,like it was such a different.
The process when we were in thestudio was so different because
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we mainly because we had time,you know, when you're recording
like when we did that EP, we hadfour days to three songs.
You know, you kind of just youjust got to get everything done
and we, we went to the studiofor this album.
We had 10 days and the kind offirst couple days we we got the
frameworks for every song andthen me, devin, dane and bill
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and that just for that, whatever, it was week, just like every
day, working on the songs andkind of you create a canvas and
then it's like, okay, now whatare we going to do with it?
And, like you said about thesequencing, you know, how are we
going to make these songs flow?
How are we going to make analbum that sounds good and flows
and is cohesive?
And the three of us and the twoguys like really locked in and
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and it's yeah, you're just likeso obsessed for that 10 days
doing the same stuff over andover again, and like it was a
real, it was tough, you know, itwas hard work and, like you're,
you're challenging yourself tolike do things, or how?
Me, as a guitarist, how do Ipull back and let the song
breathe, and and when do I needto go for something a bit more?
(28:46):
but, um, but yeah, so anyway Ihad to give a shout out to dane,
because, because the three ofus today, I mean, yeah, amazing
work.
I mean the bass work is awesome.
Um it, it really makes thatthorough line and connects it
all together you know, it's thefoundation that everything's
built upon, which is so great.
colleyc (29:04):
Um well, finn, this has
been a ton of fun.
I've really enjoyed listeningto a little bit about your
earlier years, but how Bedroomsis evolving over time, and I
really think that you'll getmore listening of this record
and don't stop?
I hope so.
Please don't stop.
So people out there go and buythis record, get them a T-shirt,
(29:27):
whatever they have out there.
Get them some money their way.
I have our merch on right nowactually.
Bingo.
Go on Bandcamp.
Is it up on Bandcamp there?
It is indeed.
Perfect.
And also, if they're ever in ashow, I mean, go and check them
out.
I'm sure it's a bombastic,emotional, sensitive show.
Fionn Montague (29:49):
I would say that
is very accurate.
colleyc (29:52):
Right on, right on.
Well, finn, all the best, Goodluck with bedrooms and if you
ever want to come, hop back onand give us an update.
I'm totally into it.
Fionn Montague (30:01):
Thanks, chris.
I really appreciate the chattoday.
It's been great.
Cheers, man, cheers thanks,chris.
colleyc (30:19):
I really appreciate the
chat today.
It's been great.
Let it all so I can get somebelief.
Maybe now you've got it out ofyour teeth I can see you're only
perfectly still.
Maybe now we're getting overthe hill and we'll all get what
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you want and we'll all get whatyou want, hanging tight onto the
memory still.
Maybe now they're gettingharder to kill.