All Episodes

November 19, 2020 83 mins

On today's show, Chong and Dan continue their discussion on Donald Trump. In the previous episode, we tried in good faith to understand Trump and what he represents to his supporters. In this episode, we lay our cards on the table and explain why we think Trump is bad, and why we think it is a good thing that Trump lost his bid for re-election.

Even as we take a more critical view, we try to do this as fairly as possible - first, by laying out the facts of what happened during Trump’s presidency and his observable behaviours; and second, by giving our interpretation and opinion of the facts.

(This is Part II of a longer discussion. See Episode 13 for Part I. Recorded on 14/15 November 2020.)

Connect with us


Show notes

Preface and caveat (02:59)

  • We recognise the diversity of opinion on Trump
  • Let's dispense with "what-aboutism" and have an honest reckoning


Corruption (06:36)

  • Trump the grifter - before and during office
  • Trump the norm-destroyer
  • Takeaway: Trump's self-dealing is deeply corrosive to the ideals of public service and proper governance

A quick review of 40 years of investigations into Donald Trump and his businesses

The definitive list of the 20 presidential norms Trump broke

Competence (28:46)

  • Trump lacks the temperament and ability to do the job
  • Preference for image over reality shattered by COVID-19 pandemic
  • Takeaway: Trump is not capable of managing, nor hiring the right people to manage, the massive and important machinery of the US Government

Breaking with tradition, Trump skips president’s written intelligence report and relies on oral briefings

The Trump Era Sucks and Needs to Be Over

Character (53:12)

  • Trump not only fails to embody positive traits, but actively embodies the negative traits
  • Trump has made his country more angry, anxious and divided, and has brought out the worst in everyone
  • Takeaway: Trump's character is completely defective, and it has a toxic effect on the entire society (and tarnishes the reputation of Christians who champion him)

1 Corinthians 13

What happens when Trump gets out of our brains?

Conclusion (1:18:20)

  • What is more important for Christians - our witness or our freedom?
Mark as Played

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Ruthie's Table 4

Ruthie's Table 4

For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.