From Obese to Beast: Personal Journeys of Transformation

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome to episode.
Okay, we do base 69 here, so Iwant to say it's 69 plus 4?
I'm going to go with plus 4.
I believe you are correct.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You have to think about it too.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
You don't even know.
You don't even know.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I actually am not sure if we're on 73 or 74.
But I think you're right.
We are 69 plus 4.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
A whole system to help us and it's not even
helping us.
That's fucking great to help usand it's not even helping us,
that's fucking great.
Oh shit, welcome to episode.
Whatever it is, who cares?
Does anybody like keep track ofit?
Like, oh, nobody fucking knows.
Hold anyway.
Um, we have someone on thepodcast now that we've been
trying to get for a little while.
Just got a little bit back andforth, we finally got there.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Obese to beast how you doing everyone.
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm happy to finally be here.
Yeah, that was my bad.
We, uh, we.
We were going to do it sooner,but then I moved cross country
and then a bunch of other stuffhappened.
But I'm here now.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's all that matters we'll just blame the
girlfriend for getting yeah,making me move, yeah, it's her
fault, we were talking aboutbefore this started, just like
weather and fucking.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Let me tell you, man, I'm I'm thinking about moving
more like northeast, but likejust it sucks.
It's like five months out ofthe year it's snowy and cold.
If we move like go straightnortheast, we have to get into
like snowboarding and skiing areyou gonna do?
That are you like?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I feel like, if you go, if you go that area you kind
of like, have to embrace itI've thought about snowboarding,
but I'm also like an incrediblyhuge weenie and so like the
thought of like hurting myself,which is funny because, like I
grew up skateboarding right andI was skated recently, but like
I was never good at it because Iwas too afraid to hurt myself,
and so like, uh, butsnowboarding definitely looks

(01:36):
fun, like that's the thing thatlike my mind goes to, I think,
because I skated, obviously andstuff like right, that's like in
my head.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm like that's what the cool, like I still remember
like the movies I grew upwatching right, where the
snowboarders were cool and theskiers were like lame, you know
and so, like you know, no hateto all the commercials you have
like a fucking what you calllike a mountain dew commercial.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
They were all snowboarding well, and then the
skiers would be wearing, likeyou know, lycra, like they're
about to do a triathlon, whichI've done, a triathlon, and I've
worn all that stuff, you know,but like I never felt cool when
I wore it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
But the snowboarders want to know where the
cross-country skiers land onthis if I did skiing, I would
embrace that fully like fullneon, like just like bright
green.
The helmet that goes back likejust all of it, you know like
malcolm in the middle, or like,yes, exactly, that's exactly

(02:26):
what I'm thinking.
Think that if you ever seenthat episode of malcolm the
middle, that's exactly what I'mtalking about.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's what I would look like, skiing because you
just have to like own it is.
Um, I've got the cross-countryskis and I've got a takedown bow
, so I can literally just skiout and to somewhere get some
rabbits for pippin.
Do you have any lycra?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm gonna have to invest in lycra yeah, I think
you do, but I mean it's huntingso it has to be like some sort
of camo lycra yeah, exactly somewoodland camo.
You need to hit up real treesee if they'll make you some.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I think you should take it up, listen what is snow
if not like water in a differentform, and water doesn't hurt,
like.
So you'll be totally like, justthink of it that way and you'll
be fine.
I'm like, I'm totally like Iknow I'm gonna fall over so much
and like hurt myself orwhatever, but I I feel like you
just kind of have to embrace itand I it's it seems like a fun

(03:15):
pastime, because if you're gonnago northeast you have to do
that, but anyway, uh, besides,why don't?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
you give us a little bit on your just saying yeah, I
was talking to someone recentlyin my one one of my mods on, uh,
my live streams, and she wasshe's from canada, right, and
she was like yeah, I'm gonna gotobogganing.
And I'm like tobogganing, whatis that?
And she's like she sent apicture and I was like that's a
sled, just call it sledding.
And she's like no, it'sdifferent.
And I was like that's a crazyword is the crazy word.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's the, the olympic thing where they run and then
they slide down on the thing, ordoes that's where they lie on
each other, lie on top of eachother?
I'm I think I have no idea whatshe said.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I think you're thinking what she said was
basically just sledding.
She's like anything can be atoboggan that you can toboggan
with, like a trash can lid, andI was like that's just a sled,
like why it sounds too fancy Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, we got a toboggan while we're wearing our
toques.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, oh man, I remember using a fucking trash
can lid, especially the metalone too.
You get the metal trash can lid, that's got the, that's got the
handle on it.
That would just make way offcourse you get hurt.
Oh, that was good times, manit's good growing up without a
lot of money was fun you makethe floor is lava, okay, oh shit

(04:32):
well, yeah, give us a littlebit back, a little bit about you
and your.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, backstory, that sort of stuff, what you do
on social media, all that sortof stuff yeah, so my name is
john, or obese beast, beast, andso with that name I think it's,
you know, pretty clear.
I used to be big.
So for me, like I mean, I coulddo the whole story, but I'll
save like the whole how I gainedweight, unless, obviously, if
you guys ask any questions but Igot up to being like 400 pounds

(04:57):
at my heaviest and that waswhen I was like 20 years old and
you know, obviously, as withanyone, a lot of things led to
me being that size.
But for the sake of time Iwon't go into all of that again
unless there's any questions.
But I started losing weight andas I was losing weight, I
didn't really know what I wasdoing.
I was just kind of winging it,just kind of doing what I could,

(05:19):
and that had its own set ofgood things and bad things that
came from that as far as, like,I'm curious how you started.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So, like, what did you start with?
Just like, oh, eat more foodsthat I'm supposed to eat, or
less of the foods that I'm notsupposed to like.
That's what were you doing.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Basically, yeah.
So what I call it, what I did,I call it the common sense diet.
And so when I first startedlosing weight, so like a little
bit of like, I had what I callthe click moment.
I have a lot of things that Icall certain things, but like I
call it the click moment, rightwhere I was like OK, I need to
do this.
And it was when I was 20 yearsold, I had gone to a wedding for
a friend of mine.

(05:54):
I was, I lived in San Diego andit was in Utah and we drove
there with my best friend andhis family.
It's a 13 hour drive,no-transcript.

(06:30):
I was afraid to be alonebecause I was like, if I have a
heart attack, who's gonna behere?
Like that was just, and it wasjust like normal thoughts.
I wasn't like it's not like Iwanted to, but it was just like
it was.
but clearly, that's what's gonnahappen at some point, um, and
so like these were all fears.
So when that happened, it waslike, oh, that's what's
happening right now, likesomething serious, and so I was
like super scared, but Iobviously I didn't really want

(06:53):
to tell people that.
And so they're like, oh, areyou okay?
And I was like, oh, yeah, Ithink just I'm lightheaded and I
didn't drink enough water andthe elevation change and
whatever, I just need some likemotrin, right, so they that.
But again, we're at this weddingand the whole time, like I
remember the guys all went outto play basketball and I was
like I'm not going to do that.
So I ended up like I don't evenremember what I did, I just

(07:13):
didn't, I just was like alone,maybe, or I maybe I hung out
with the women, um, for like atthat period.
But we ended up like thewedding happens and I remember I
mean I had a pretty good time.
But then we came back and a fewweeks later the photos come out
, right, and I remember I atthat point I was really good at
avoiding mirrors and so, likewhen these pictures came out, I

(07:34):
was like wow, because at thetime I was wearing a size 56
inch waist, pants and a 5XLshirt, and it was just like I
saw the photos and I thought Ilooked great.
But then I saw the pictures andI was like, oh, that's what I
look like, you know.
Um, and that wasn't evenhonestly like the click moment,
but it was.
That was a really importantthing.
That happened to me a few weeksbefore I started losing weight,

(07:57):
because I think that that thathad to put me in the mindset of,
okay, this has to happen, rightand, and I really want to make
this happen.
And so the click moment was Iwas actually this was back when
netflix first came out with likestreaming, so I was dvds for
you.
No, no, no, I still rememberthat shit, I'm, I'm that old no,

(08:18):
no, I remember that too that'sI was like yeah, I'm 33, I
remember that I watched deDexter with all the DVDs and you
have to wait like a couple ofdays and you're like no, I think
.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I was lost with it.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Anyway, go ahead, yeah, yeah, so, but it was when
the streaming was relatively new.
So I was, you know, using itquite a bit and I was watching
Miami Inc and I had I have thesetattoos on my forearms Were
they only tattoos that I had oneto?
And I remember I would alwaysthink, like man, I would love to
get tattoos on my upper armsand like other places on my body
, but like I just can't becauseI'm so big right, that's at

(08:48):
least in my head how I felt.
And there was this guy thatcame on the show that had lost a
lot of weight and he wasgetting like a cheeseburger
tattoo to kind of commemoratehis weight loss.
And they started talking to himand asking him like how did you
, you know, lose the weight?
And I don't even rememberexactly what he said, but he's,
it was something about choices.
He was just like I had to makedifferent choices.
And I remember thinking tomyself because at that point,

(09:10):
you know, up until then I it wasvery easy for me to say well,
you know, I don't really havethe option to eat whatever I
want, because I have to eat likethe rest of my family.
And you know, we grew up verypoor and, like you know, we grew
up very poor and, like you,know there was, you know, a
period of time where I was takenaway from my mom and like it
was.
You know it was a tumultuousupbringing and then we ended up

(09:30):
getting put back with her,thankfully, but we were also
very low income, section eight,housing, all that stuff, right,
I'm sure we all heard that story, but, like it, it definitely
made it more difficult and Ithink it made it to where I was.
Like that's, that's the reason,right, it's not, it's not me,
but now I was 20 and I I feltlike I couldn't really use that

(09:51):
as an excuse, not that I reallydid, but like, I think,
subconsciously, it was somethingthat helped me cope with the
fact that I was as large as Iwas Right, and I think I started
to realize I just I need tomake different decisions.
The decisions that I have madehave led me to this point,
regardless of if it's my fault,right, there was this video from

(10:12):
Will Smith that was super viral, like I don't know, it was like
eight years ago, maybe, at thispoint before the slapping right
, and I remember I really likedit because he talked about fault
versus responsibility and like,just because something isn't
your fault does not mean it'snot your responsibility to
change it right.
And I was like I think again.
Obviously this video hadn'tcome out when.

(10:32):
When this happened but I thinkthat that's a thought that was
going through my head was like,okay, I could say, oh, it's my
mom's fault, it's my parentsfault or whatever, but that
doesn't change the fact that Ineed to lose weight.
Or in my head I was like I'mgoing to die before I'm 30.
Right, thankfully that didn'thappen, but like I felt that way
, right, and so when I startedlosing weight, I literally just
did what I call the common sensediet.
So that day I remember I waseating.

(10:54):
I was watching Miami Inc, I waseating a double entree plate of
orange chicken from um, fromPanda Express, with, like fried
rice or chow mein, one of thetwo, and a large drink.
And their drinks are humongous,right, and I would drink.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I drink so much soda and so I was like, okay, can you
just talk like the sodas thatwe have.
When you have like a 48 ounces,a 60, 64 ounce, when you get to
the point where your soda has ahandle, you have like I've seen
that where, like the plasticones have a handle.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh yeah, dude ones have a handle oh yeah dude, the
super gold.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
This is what I think things have gotten out of hand
here, like even for someone wholikes diet soda, like myself, as
much as I do.
I don't, I don't, I don't evenknow about that, and yet if you
have a regular, so with that,that's what a thousand calories
worth of soda the amount.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Dude, I used to drink so much soda, like I would
drink a 64 ounce with just somechips in a like a candy bar, and
it was just some chips in it,like a candy bar, and it was
just a snack and it's like,brother, that is like 4,000
calories, like like it was justcrazy Maybe not 4,000, but like
an insane amount of caloriesjust for a snack, right.
But so I remember I was eatingthat and I but I remember being

(11:58):
like I'm going to make differentchoices, choices tomorrow, like
, and that's going to be thestart, and I don't know how to
explain it.
But it was like I was like I'mgoing to do this this time Cause
I had tried to lose weight aton of times and I wasn't one of
those people that had thatwould lose like a good amount
and then gain it back.
I would lose nothing Cause Ihad literally no willpower.
I just would lose maybe fivepounds and like basically all

(12:20):
waterway, and then I would justbe like I'm done with this and I
would gain it back right?
well, I think you, I think youdescribed it perfectly at the
start, where something clickedyeah, honestly, and that's
that's why I call it that,because I don't, I wish I could
bottle it and give it to people.
Right, because when it comes tolosing weight because I I like
do coaching and stuff like thatnow, like the biggest thing is

(12:40):
like I could give someone thebest information in the world,
if they're not ready and they'renot like willing to do this,
it's impossible, right, likeit's impossible, no matter how
much the person tries to helpyou, right?
And so that's why I call it theclick moment.
But I remember I I woke up thenext day and I felt like this
weight had lifted off myshoulders, because I was like

(13:00):
I'm going to do this.
I ended up, I finished the youknow the food, because I'm not
going to waste it.
But I remember I like woke upthe next day.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like to just mention that Like well, of
course I ate the food, thoughLike I didn't throw it away, I
just think that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, I just think it's funny because I didn't want
to waste it, I don't know and.
But I just felt like like I waslike this is happening, right,
and I I went and I got a haircutand then I cause I was I don't
know, I was like new, new do newme.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I know I kind of like that idea of just be like I'm
going to do this new thing.
Yeah, it was like haircutwardrobe, something just
different, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Whatever it is, it was likeons, which was a grocery
store near where I lived, andluckily I lived very close to a
grocery store where I was ableto walk to it, which made things
a lot easier for me, which issomething I didn't realize until
I've learned a lot about otherthings that make it harder for
people to lose weight.
But luckily I was not in a fooddesert, so I was able to just

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walk to the grocery store and Ididn't know what was healthy.
So I was able to just walk tothe grocery store and I didn't
know what was healthy.
So I just bought like sandwichstuff, and I think I actually
bought pre-made sandwichesbecause, again, like I, I was
like so I just knew nothingabout nutrition, right, and so I
remember I would.
When I started and I bought abunch of water too when I
started, my mom used to like,again, she had the best engine,

(14:21):
she always wanted to help me me,but I would eat like two
sandwiches for lunch and she'slike that's a lot of bread,
isn't brad bread bad for weightloss?
And I was just like, well, it'sbetter than what I was eating
before and one sandwich isn'tenough, and so, like that's like
how I started was like thecommon sense diet, and so what
that entailed for me was no moresoda, because, like I said, I
drank a lot of soda, like over a, over a two liter every day

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easily.
Just doing that alone woulddefinitely oh yeah, a hundred
percent like liquid calories isone thing I always anyone that
I'm working with or just ingeneral.
It's like if you can cut themout or cut them down as much as
possible, because I'm yeah youknow, I I definitely indulge in
liquid calories, especially whenit comes to, like my coffee
drinks.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know I definitely use creamer oh yeah, I've got
several cans in front of meright now yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
But if you can cut it down, right, like, like in like
.
I'm not saying you have todrink like regular water if
that's gross, okay, this iscrystal light, okay I love it
and it helps me drink water,right, but like so.
But cutting, cutting out liquidcalories basically, which for me
was mainly just cutting outsoda, right, and then cutting
out fast food, which wasobviously a huge like.

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That was a lot of the food thatI ate at the time, um, like you
know, a normal mcdonald's orderfor me at the time.
Now, when I say this, I'm likedamn, you must have been rich,
but it wasn't as expensive then.
But I would get two mcdoublesto make chickens, a large fry, a
large drink and maybe somechicken nuggets, right that
would be lunch.
Yeah, yeah it was like becauseone wasn't enough and so two.
You know, that's kind of how mymind worked.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
So you're like, you're 2 000 calories in for one
.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, yeah and I I lived in, you know, I was born
and raised in san diego.
I just moved to massachusetts,like a few months ago, right,
but mexican food is reallypopular there and it's very good
, but it's not the healthiest,um, especially the food that I
would get.
And so, like I would get, likea california burrito, which is a
carne asada burrito with frenchfries in it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Okay, um, and then also I would get it depends it's
on a spectrum right, like, Imean like mexican, lots of beans
.
That's great, but you candefinitely up the calories a lot
, yeah, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
So I would do that, and then I would get a
quesadilla on the side or maybesome rolled tacos, because of
course, the burrito wasn'tenough, right.
So, like, that was somethingthat I would do.
And then I cut out what Icalled like snacks, because I
would eat, I would, I was, Iwould snack a lot like, and just
like on chips and candy barsand just all of that stuff.
Right, when I was bored, I hadalso added 7-Eleven.
That was really close to me, soI would walk there and my head

(16:42):
I'm like, wow, you know, I'mdoing a good job, and then I
would eat like a thousandcalories of just random crap,
you know.
And that was kind of the startof me losing weight.
It was just starting out thecommon sense diet and slowly
figuring things out over time,and I'm really glad that I was
able to figure that out formyself because through that I

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learned a lot about nutrition.
And then, eventually, I startedto learn more and more and I
started to obviously like loseweight.
Now this was before socialmedia was what it is now.
It was around because I lost myweight around.
Like 2013 was when I, like lostthe weight.
And then 2014 was when I startedobese to beast.
I guess you'd call it, but it'snot like.
I was like I'm gonna like.
Now people are like I'm goingto start a page and be an

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influencer, right, I'm going tobe this, and like that's not.
It just didn't.
It wasn't like that.
Then, right, I started the pageobese to beast, literally
because I was posting so much onmy regular Instagram that I
felt bad, and so I was like letme just make an Instagram that's
only about losing weight.
And I was like trying to thinkof a name and I was like, oh,
that sounds kind of cool, youknow.
So I was just like, went withit.

(17:47):
It's funny because I like I'vehad people like oh, you're not
even a beast.
And I'm like when I made it, Iwasn't calling myself a beast,
it was like aspirational.
You know, I'm like, I'm goingto be a beast and.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I was 20 years old, the amount of what's even the
word I'm looking for, how weview muscle these days.
You have to be out here.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, exactly, so it's funny looking back, but I
don't think I'd ever changedlike the name.
Just because it's, you know,it's big, it's become such a big
part of, like my identity atthis point which and it's a
great play on words yeah, yeah,I, you know I it's good and bad,
because because I think, likethere's been, you know, I've
been doing it for so long it'sit is hard for me to separate,
like who's john and then who'sobese beast, I.

(18:32):
That's like something I work ona lot like.
That's why I have these drumsbehind me, because I drummed
before, I lost weight and I'vebeen.
I think I was like searchingfor something that was me before
.
I was obese beast and I thinkthat's why I got back into them.
That's a whole nother story.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You're getting recruited for the band, just to
let you know.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It sounds good, I'm down, um, but yeah, so, like
that was.
That was the start.
And then, you know, with likemaking, I didn't make the obese
to beast thing until I had lostlike the majority of my weight.
So losing the weight was itsown whole thing.
That, like I, you know I dealtwith like binge eating.
There were some, there weresome mistakes that I made
because, again I I started withthe common sense diet, which I

(19:08):
feel was genuinely prettyhealthy, with the decisions I
was making, but then it went tothe extreme of, oh, if I eat
this many calories, I lose thismuch weight.
Well, what if I eat less andthen less and then less and then
less, and then I'm barelyeating anything right, yeah, and
so, um, I got to a point whereit definitely wasn't good.
I was struggling with bingeeating and that was that's this

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whole other thing.
But during that, that was whenI kind of made obese to beast
and started posting on onlineagain, not because I was trying
to be an influencer, because itreally wasn't a thing, it was
just because I wanted to sharewhat something I was really
excited about, because obviouslyI had wanted to lose weight my
entire life, like, and so I waslike, actually successful at it
and I was just like.
I remember thinking like forthe longest time I felt like I

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couldn't lose weight.
I had a shirt, shirts that saidborn to be big.
I loved big black.
He was my favorite person inthe world.
I love the BB logo, like it me.
It just felt like I'm just abig guy.
That's just who I am and like.
So when I actually startedlosing weight, I realized how
wrong I was and I realized howsimple losing weight is.

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That doesn't mean it's easy.
Two very different things simpleand easy it's not the same
thing, but, like I realized Ithought I had done everything to
lose weight but I hadn't donethe thing that mattered the most
, which was eating in a deficitfor an extended period of time,
like because I was like, oh,I've tried slim fast, I've tried
this.
I literally do Some classes.

(20:35):
A funny thing my mom used tolike she would bring it home.
I would just be like, okay, Iwould drink that, but then
continue eating all the samefood and I'm like I'm drinking
Slip.
Fast, you know granted, I waslike 10, right, so I obviously
didn't know what I was doing,but like I had tried in my head
for so long and I did genuinelytry, but I was just trying the
wrong stuff and like that becamelike once I realized that I was

(20:57):
like I just need to share thiswith other people Because
there's nothing special about me.
I don't like I don't have anysort of degree about this stuff.
I don't.
I don't have any more knowledgethan anyone else and I was able
to do it.
And I just remember how, when Iwas at my biggest, how trapped
I felt and frustrated I felt,and I was like I can help people
not feel this way anymore ifthey want to, Right, and that

(21:21):
kind of what made me want tostart posting about stuff.
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I mean how long?
So you said it took so how longfrom kind of like start to
where you're at now.
Like you know, you said you areyour largest.
What?
400 pounds.
So how long did it take?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, the largest number I saw was 316.
And so I I I try not to say Iwas I almost paused and my mom's
, like you're definitely overthat, but I'm like I don't know,
I don't want to be like I was500 pounds actually, um, but
yeah.
So I was 20 years old and whenI started losing weight I'm 32
now, so it's been 12 years andI've thankfully never really had

(21:56):
a like significant weight gain,um, or anything like that.
I've been able to maintain theweight, which is like I'm much
more proud of that because it'sincredibly difficult and, like
you know, that's not me tryingto say, if you haven't, there's
anything wrong with you, it's,it's.
It's very hard and I've beenvery lucky in, like the.
The opportunities that I'vegotten from being obese to beast
have certainly made it easierfor me to maintain the weight

(22:18):
loss, because this is my job,right, and so I don't have I'm
not working a nine to five.
I don't have I'm not working anine to five.
I don't have any kids, um, Iliterally have.
The only responsibility isfilming these videos and playing
those drums.
You know what I mean.
So, like, I get it, and sothat's not me trying to be like
if you've gained the weight,then you're a bad person.
It's hard, right, it's reallyhard, but it is something that I
am very proud of and andsomething that I try.

(22:38):
I talk a lot more aboutmaintaining weight loss now, I
think, because it's been 12years.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
It's been a long time since I lost the weight.
So it is there.
There is that struggle of me toeven relate to how I felt when
I was first losing weight,because I've been living this
life of a healthy, you knowlifestyle for so long now that
it is hard for me to completelyunderstand or not understand,
but you know it, it definitelyrequires a lot more work for me

(23:06):
to think back on that than itdoes for me to think back.
How did I, what did I doyesterday, you know, like that,
you've spent more time in thisform than in that form at this
point yeah, oh well, almost likeat my head by that form I mean
the actual losing part.
Oh, okay yeah, yeah, the losingweight was was relatively short,
like um, I definitely think Icould have.

(23:26):
It would have been better if itwas a little bit longer.
But again, I just didn't knowwhat I was doing.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
And I have, I have adhd so you're talking about
like you dropped your calorie.
Did you do start doing likecalorie counting and that sort
of thing?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
yeah, at some point, yeah, so I started kind of like
calorie counting and like.
That's when, like I think, likethe hyper fixation came in,
because I realized, yeah, I, Ijust it became a game.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
It kind of became a game for me where I can.
Just, I just dropped a littlebit lower, but if I just drop it
here I'll lose this much more,and then you kind of just keep
going with that yeah, and that'swhen.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
that's why I like I really like to talk about this
stuff, because people ask me allthe time, oh, have you ever
felt like, are you ever scaredof going back to where you were?
And now, no, there's, like it'snot even a thought, because I
understand what it would requireLike I would have to basically
change everything that Igenuinely enjoy doing now to get
to that size.

(24:17):
But there was a time when I wasafraid that I wouldn't be able
to maintain the weight, and thatwas when I was in the middle of
binge eating, because at thetime I had I felt out of control
.
I had cut so much out because Ihad this mindset which I know
we were kind of talking aboutbefore, like this idea of being
able to maintain right.
I had this mindset and it was.

(24:37):
It made a lot of sense at thetime.
When I look back on it now, inmy opinion, it's a recipe for
disaster, and so I would havethis mantra in my head where, if
you can do it for one day, whycan't you do it for a month, you
know?
And so what that looked like wasif you can eat 700 calories for
one day, why can't you alwayseat 700 calories Like like if,

(24:59):
if, if you can do it for one day, you should always be able to
do it and the only reason thatyou're not able to do it is
because you're not dedicatedenough, right?
Like that was the mindset thatI would have and it just didn't
work because I would.
At the time, I was working twojobs right at a shoe store.
It was actually it's funny Iworked at the vans shoe store
and vons the grocery store.

(25:20):
So vans and vons and um, butwhen I what I did at Vons was I
was I worked in the meatdepartment where you are lifting
very heavy frozen blocks oflike well, they're boxes of just
meat, right, that are 50 poundsat the lightest Right.
And I remember when I would Iwould work, I would like during
work it would be okay, but likewhen I would go on my break and

(25:40):
sit down and eat, like theywould have these lip, I would
eat this little tinypre-packaged salad and an apple
right for lunch.
And when I would stand up everytime from lunch I was so
lightheaded and I felt like Iwas going to pass out, right,
and like that became supernormal, that like feeling of
like I needed to pass out and sothe binge eating would start
happening where I would.
I would be able to do the 700to like 1200 calories for three,

(26:04):
four days.
But then the way that I explainit is that like eventually I
knew I wasn't going to be ableto do it.
So it was like the way that Iexplain it is like it felt like
there was this like reaperbehind me right that I could
kind of keep him at bay for acouple of days.
I'd like stay back there, Idon't need anything.

(26:28):
But then eventually, after acouple of days he would just
walk up and touch my shoulderRight and like I would feel that
sounds strange.
I would feel that touch earlierin the day and in my head I'm
like I know I'm binging tonight.
It was just like I had acceptedthat tonight I'm going to eat
all of this food.
It's not like I would.
It's not like I would make aplan Like I would never actually
go out and get a bunch of food,but like whatever was at home I
would eat extreme amounts,right, like the best example I

(26:50):
have was.
I remember at the time I waslike getting really into
bodybuilding and I was like, oh,refeed meals Like you're
supposed to only really eatcarbs.
You're not supposed to havethat much fat.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
So I remember one time I was like, okay, I do a
refeed right, and what thatmeant was for me was I got a box
of checks cereal and I ate itdry because just like, with my
hand, dump it into the okay,both like I and I would.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I was just in my head , I was like it was a refeed,
but then I ended up eating moreafter that and then I don't know
.
I've actually talked to a fewpeople and a few people have had
similar experience where theyhave a certain food that that's
their stop food when they'rebinging, and for me it would be
oats, and so I would makeoatmeal with, like peanut butter
and like it was high calories,right, but that would be like my
meal.
That would stop me from eatinganything else.

(27:38):
And I remember like that was acycle that went on for not too
long, maybe about a year and Iremember I was really terrified
because I just felt out ofcontrol.
And I remember I actually endedup doing a bodybuilding show
while this was happening.
Um, but the bodybuilding show I,I I hesitate to say this

(27:59):
because I don't want people toget the wrong impression because
I I think a lot of times doingphysique shows and bodybuilding
shows, if you're someone that'slost a lot of weight, can be
very harmful Um, but for me ithelped because I really became I
became very focused on trackingeverything and making sure I
was eating enough during theweek, even when I was cutting, I
started eating more and thenbut I remember being terrified

(28:22):
of like what am I going to doafter I'm done?
Right, because, like you see,plenty of people that aren't
someone that has ever struggledwith their weight gained 30
pounds after like a week or twofrom a show, and I was like I
was already obese to beast atthis point and I was like I
can't do that, like I don't, Ican't, right.
Like I felt I was terrified ofhow people would respond if I

(28:42):
gained a ton of weight randomly,right.
And so I remember I was likereally scared, but at the same
time I was like I can, I can, II've always like I think
tracking is great and it's veryuseful, but I hate doing it Like
it's just too.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's like it gets very annoying to me.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
And so I was like super looking forward to not,
cause I was tracking literallyeverything right, Like every
gram of everything, as asaccurately as I could Right.
There's always a level ofinaccuracy when it comes to
track.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
This piece of gum has two calories, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, dude, yes, exactly, and like so I was.
You know I was looking forwardto not doing that anymore but at
the same time I was terrifiedof gaining a ton of weight and I
think that I think the way thatI handled it definitely wasn't
the healthiest.
I was still very I wasn'ttracking, but I was still very
careful.
But luckily I didn't have acrazy rebound.
But that really helped me.

(29:32):
I don't know.
It just helped me kind ofrealize that what I was doing I
didn't want to do that and liketracking is not something I
wanted to do forever.
And it helped me realize thatlike I need to eat more and I
need to be able to eat in a waythat I don't feel like I have to
track and I'm not gaining anabsorbent amount of weight.
And with tracking, the reasonthat I'm a fan of it to an

(29:55):
extent is that it taught me alot about nutrition and about
what is in the foods that I eat.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And the things that I learned.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah yeah, the things that I learned through tracking
I still implement, and so whatI do now is, um, the term
intuitive eating is kind ofdirty now I think, uh, but I
like the, I like the term.
Um, what is it?
What does that call?
I used to, I had a word for it.
I haven't used this term in awhile, but mindful eating,
that's what I call it Because,like I'm, I'm still mindful of

(30:23):
the things that I'm stillfocused on.
I try to focus on nutrition.
You know if I'm like, if likewith any of my clients I talk to
them about, like, trying tofocus on the protein every meal,
like try and have that be thecenter of the meal and build it
around.
No, you know, but because it'sbecome how I eat now, right, um,
yeah that's that.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
So that seemed to kind of help you with the binge
eating.
Did anything else kind of helpyou along the way?
Deal with that, because I knowa lot of people just struggle
with and obviously you can'tspeak for everyone, but just
like, what kind of helped you?

Speaker 3 (30:54):
yeah, no, I appreciate that.
Yeah, the one thing I alwayssay with binge eating is
everyone is different, andespecially with binge eating,
everyone, everyone's story ofhow they get there is different,
and the way that they can fixit or I don't even like that
term but the way that they canget out of it is going to look
different for everyone.
But for me, a really big partwas the bodybuilding show,
because I realized that I had toeat more.

(31:16):
I was not eating enough, andthankfully, I had a really good
friend.
He's still my good friend.
His name's Brian Um.
He had a YouTube channel.
He still does, but at the timehe was doing like a lot of
bodybuilding shows.
Now he's he's at.
He's still a bodybuilder, buthe's a.
He focuses on veganism.
He's a vegan bodybuilder nowand but at the time he really
helped me be like you have toeat more, like you're not eating

(31:36):
enough, because I was tellinghim about like these binges and
you know, and he, he reallyhelped me realize that I needed
to eat a little bit more, and so, and then, on top of that, just
lifting, like going to the gymand working out, I was just
hungrier as well, and so I waslike I want to eat more, and so
that really helped me as wellwas just basically lifting more
and realizing lifting more andeating more and realizing that,

(32:01):
okay, I am gaining a little bitof weight, but it doesn't, it's
not bad, you know, it's not like, it's not like, oh, I'm not.
The thing that's really commonI've noticed with people that
are losing an extreme amount ofweight is that we get so focused
, hyper fixated on lowest weight, lowest weight, lowest weight.
And you know it's.
It's good to have a goal I'mnot saying that there's anything

(32:23):
wrong with that but it'simportant to understand, like,
at what point is your goal?
Uh, dictating your life toomuch, right?
And so, like, the way that Isay is like when I competed, I
was 180 pounds, right, I'm five,eight, and uh, now I weigh two,
10.
And 210.
And so if I always felt like Ineeded to be 180 pounds, I would

(32:44):
constantly feel like I'm afailure, right?
So it was about shifting thatmindset of, like, low weight
doesn't equal good, always forme anymore, right, for a long
time.
And it's hard to make thatshift because when you're losing
weight, it could be taking ayear, two years time.
And it's hard to make thatshift because when you're losing
weight, it could be taking ayear, two years, three years.
However long your journey isright.
You're constantly thinking lowweigh-in equals good, low

(33:07):
weigh-in is better, low weigh-inis good.
And then it's really reallyreally hard to switch from that
mindset to there might be a timewhen you're not losing weight
for months, and that's also good, you know.
Not losing weight for months,and that's also good, you know.
Or you're gaining weight, andthat's also good right.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I heard another podcast say pounds for a purpose
and I always like that, likeyeah like that.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, I'm gaining weight.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
But like there's a reason for it, it's better for
me.
You know I need it at themoment.
I remember when I got into mylike I'm six foot three ish I
got down to like 172 oh wow, Iwas like yeah, I was like real
lean.
I like a decent amount enoughto look like good in the picture
and then I got kind of fixatedon like keeping that yeah and
like gaining weight.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I was like, oh no, no , I gotta get back down there
and like I just kind of got usedto being like hungry all the
time yeah, like in order tomaintain that I kind of had to
be you just get used to like Isaid like oh yeah, I stood up
and now I'm lightheaded.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
That's totally normal oh man, like I always ate the
uh like the kirkland proteinbars and stuff like that because
I was like oh, protein, fiber.
What if I eat two of them?
then that's, you know likethat's a meal, that's fine
that's just two of those andeventually I was like I need to
kind of live.
I need to live a little bit,you know, so like I can get
leaner, but I'm already prettylean as it is and like I'm happy

(34:22):
with it.
I'm not like you just get hyperfixated on things and it is
kind of tough to break out ofthat cycle.
I think just kind of healingyour relationship with food.
You're talking to other people,you know, and, like you said,
everyone's different.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's just gonna it's just gonna depend yeah, and like
I'm just, I'm a huge proponentof trying to find what works for
you, and I think that's one ofthe one of the biggest lies the
fitness industry tells people isthat there's an answer for
everyone and it's, it's, it'sone answer, you know what I mean
.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Like there's one size fits all.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
answer for everyone, and I just don't think that
that's true.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I think that you don't have to take the body type
quiz to find out what your bodytype is.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I'm an ectomorph um, I'm a mighty morphin power
ranger, but, um, like, I think,like, but you know, when it
comes to like, because, like,when I first started, it was
when keto was first becomingpopular, right, so that was the
thing that so many people nowit's like carnivore, I guess,
but like I'm not.
I don't have a problem withthat.
Whenever, whenever I say this,people get mad at me.
If it works for you, that'sgreat, but I have seen it not

(35:23):
work for so many people.
And the problem is is thatthese things, they do work.
I'm not going to sit here andsay they don't help you lose
weight.
They do, absolutely without ashadow of a doubt.
But a lot of people reallystruggle with what?
Now you lose the weight, andthen what?
Now, right.
But then the biggest problemfor me about these is that
people start to feel like Ifailed keto.

(35:43):
No, no, no, keto failed you.
All right, it's not, it wasn'tgoing to work like, and so you,
you feeling, and then peoplestart they constantly feel like,
well, I have to continue doingit because that was the thing
that helped me lose that's theonly thing that worked.
and again, if you use keto andit works for you again, again,
I'm not talking about you, right?
I'm talking about the peoplethat have tried certain diets.

(36:03):
It could be Atkins, it could bewhatever, whatever insert,
whatever you want right, that itworked for a period.
They lost 40 pounds, but thenthey gained it back and then
they're like I have to continue,I have to do it again, I have
to try it again.
And it's like at some point youhave to understand, you know,
continuing to do the same thingover and over again and
expecting different results,right?
People say that's insanity.

(36:24):
Apparently, that's beendebunked.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
that's not actually the definition but it's like
heard, that's like thedefinition of sanity.
But people are like, no, that'snot the definition.
Yeah, it sounds like it could.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
It sounds good you know, but like but, like you
know, if, if something isn'tworking, you have to like, yeah,
be like, oh, I'm not tryinghard enough, but also it's okay
to look and be like maybe that'snot for me, you know.
And it's like it's aboutfinding what works for you, the
kinds of foods that you enjoy.
Not what Joe Schmo over here issaying, not what this person is
selling, not what this thing is.

(36:52):
Find what works for you, and Ithink that's really what has
been helpful for me, because I Ihave.
I don't rely on anyone else'sknowledge to make the choices
for myself.
I have found all of thisknowledge for myself and then
implemented it and I've seenwhat works for me, what doesn't,
and then I've just continued,you know, logically, through
that and finding what works.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
You found a breakfast that works for you, that's for
sure.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Dude, I literally just ate it.
This morning I've basicallyeaten.
Somebody's talking aboutbasically eating the same thing
for breakfast for like 10 yearsum, and so, like I really like,
so it's protein oatmeal.
So it's, it's oatmeal, proteinpowder, peanut butter.
Um, recently, because mygirlfriend was like brother, you
need to have more fruits inyour diet, so I, I cut up like
fruit on top of it, and then shealso got me on putting like

(37:38):
greek yogurt on top, which itdoes sound very weird, but it's
a nice kind of mixture I like Ithink, yeah, it's good,
especially like a sweetenedyogurt, like they have all the
flavors and stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Now, like you can, you can mix it up.
I mean that's the thing.
It's like you find somethingthat you like and you just go
with it.
I know some people get likereal bored easily.
It kind of again, it justdepends on the person but like,
yeah, I'll find a breakfast andI'll just, I'll just go with it
for I'll just until I mean along ass time honestly yeah, man
, I'm not even that hungry inthe morning, so normally I'm
just like, okay, I need proteinand fiber.
So I like the like oikos pro uhdrinkable yogurts like 23 grams

(38:10):
of protein and like a piece offruit, I grab that, I'm out the
door, I do my workout.
On the way back from my workoutI have like uh almonds in my
car and like snack on those,cause I know if I don't eat that
and I go home and be like superhungry and I'll just start
smashing things.
So like that kind of ties meover until I get home and
actually make some make anactual cohesive meal, yeah, yeah
.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
And like.
The thing that is important tome is that, yes, that works for
me, but I'm also not going to belike let me make a plan for
everyone and they should eatexactly this like, let me make a
plan for everyone and theyshould eat exactly this.
You know it's like, no like,but the people that I work with,
the clients or whatever youknow, I, I don't, I don't tell
them you should eat this.
I'm like, I understand that I'mcrazy, okay, and I don't expect
you to do exactly what I do,and I think, like with the, the

(38:52):
fitness industry, it's, it'svery easy to want to prescribe
that to everyone, I think it'san easy way to kind of make
money yeah, and it will work,and it will work it will work.
And I think, like it's also easyfor other people.
They they want to see somethingthat is proven that it works,
but for me it's just.
I understand that like, yes,this works for me, but I

(39:13):
understand that everyone'sdifferent right, and so, like,
what would work for you wouldn'tnecessarily be that, and so I
just just, I always try and Ithink you definitely hit the
nail on the head with the easymoney, though, because it's copy
, cut paste, copy, copy.
Yeah, that's a whole thing.
I mean, like I've obviously,like I've been, it feels weird.
I've been doing this for a longtime now, though, right, so I'm
kind of like an old man in thisindustry, right, but like I,

(39:42):
right, but like I've, I've seenthat so much, right, and it
works, but it's like, usuallylike a you know, it's like a
supernova, right, it burnsbright but then it burns out,
right, and so when people likethey, they kind of come on the
scene and it's, it can be veryexciting and they end up, like
making all these claims and Ijust try.
I just try to encourage peoplethat it's about making lifestyle
changes that are sustainable myfavorite word is sustainability
Like, I try to encourage peopleto find something that works

(40:05):
for you, like any diet, like ifyou're doing something and
you're just constantly like, ohmy God, this sucks, that's a red
flag.
You need to look at that.
I'm not saying that everythingyou're doing is wrong, but you
need to start to realize, okay,I need to find it to where it
doesn't at least feel horribleevery time I'm doing it Right,
like, of course, with losingweight, it's going to be hard.
Like you're in a deficit.
Yes, I'm not going to say it'sgoing to be easy, but like if it

(40:27):
feels like pulling teeth everyday.
You might be able to do thatfor maybe even a year, but
eventually you're going to hit awall and then you're going to
be like I'm done, right, andthat's what I want people to
avoid.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, cause that's definitely what I wanted to get
into a little bit.
It's just kind of thesustainability.
So you talk about that.
You know I've got a curiouslike what have you done or maybe
even the clients that you workwith that you find the like,
what helps create thatsustainability?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, I think like it's kind of a lot of the stuff
that we've obviously alreadybeen talking about is really
like the, the kind of buildingblocks of it.
Um, when it comes to like myadvice for anyone that wants to
lose weight, and like the, Iswear I'm not trying.
I I'm not trying to advertisemy coaching.
I'm full, I don't need, I don'twant any more clients Like I'm
good, uh, but like it's justlike uh, it's really, it's the

(41:16):
best way that I've, cause I'veonly been doing it for a little
bit of time, but I've been ableto really, you know, have more
conversations with people rightthrough it and, like I started
the reason I called it.
So what I call it isfoundations and, like, what I
try to encourage people to do,that I'm working with is to
build a strong foundation tostart up from there, right.
And so it's like, a lot oftimes, when it comes to losing

(41:38):
weight, a lot of people getfocused.
Like, when I think offoundation, I think of a pyramid
, right, um, it's not a pyramidscheme, I promise Um, but like,
um, a lot of people end upfocusing oh, what are the
supplements I need?
What are the, like, the proteinand nutrient timing?
And I'm like, dude, that doesn'tlike how many calories did you
eat today?
Let's focus on that first.
You know, like just the simplethings.

(41:58):
And like, oh, you don't knowhow many calories you ate today.
Ok, let's figure that out,let's figure out how to track
that Right, and I'm not sayingyou have to be perfect with your
calories, but like, at leastget an idea.
Right, it's like starting withstuff like that, because the
more you understand, likeknowledge is power Right, and so
the more that you understand,it's much harder to put your

(42:20):
head in the sand.
If you understand, like OK, ifI eat this meal, this is at
least 1500 calories, you know,versus I don't know.
I mean, it's a saebol, it'shealthy, it's like is it, you
know?
Like is it.
And so it's just like all ofthose things and like really
pursuing understanding thethings, and I don't think it has

(42:41):
to take a ton of your time.
It doesn't have to become yourwhole identity figuring this
stuff out.
I think I get really frustratedand like when I talk about the
fitness industry, because thereare so many people saying, oh, I
have the answer, this is whatyou need to do, this is what you
need to do, and it really doesconfuse people, like luckily,
we're in a position wherethere's so much information that
if, if you have any questions,you can find answer, but also
you can find someone that'ssaying they have the answer, you

(43:03):
know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I think because I like what you're saying there.
It's just understanding thebasics, because I think a lot of
people they lose weight, theygain it back, right, and a lot
of the ways they lose it is bydoing something, doing something
sort of extreme.
You remove all carbs, you onlyeat, uh, cookies.
That was my favorite fad dietwas the cookie diet.

(43:25):
Remember that, john.
Do you have the cookie diet?
Yeah, you, you would eat thesecookies and you'd have a drink
and there's something in thecookies that would expand, so it
would fill your stomach and solike, yeah, you lose a bunch of
weight, unlike the cookie diet,but the moment you stop you gain
the weight back and you younever really learned anything
besides that diet Well, not onlythat, but a lot of these fad
diets made by companiesBeachbody, Atkins, all those

(43:46):
they're actually set up so thatthey know you will fail in about
three months, Because in aboutthree months that is the time it
takes for you to not associatethat failure with them.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You put the failure on yourself and you look at them
and be like, okay, it worked,so I'm going to go back to that.
It's very predatory, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, and it's it's just like.
I think I get so many messagesof people that like I mean I've
been doing this for a long time,right that I've said I've tried
everything, and it's just likeit just doesn't work, and I get
frustrated because obviously,yes, there's going to be some
personal agency you have to putin the work.
Yes, of course.
But when you are also startingwith, it's like starting a race

(44:29):
and it's like there's a bunch ofpeople on the sidelines that
say, oh, we have your bestinterests at heart, we're going
to give you this thing to helpyou run further and faster and
just drink this, just drink this.
And then you drink it halfwaythrough the race, you're
freaking, dying on the side ofthe road and you're like, oh man
, what did I do wrong?
You didn't do anything wrong.
That person that gave you thatdrink did the thing that was
wrong.
Like you can't blame yourselffor that right.

(44:50):
Again, to an extent, there'slike, of course, you know if
you're not trying, all of thatstuff matters, but I feel like a
lot of times we just focus onyou're not trying hard enough.
You're not trying hard enough,which is important.
You have to try.
It's hard.
It is hard, obviously, but likethere's more to it than just
that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think a lot of you, because and man, this is
something I see I'll talk in avideo about like, oh you know,
losing weight, it comes down toa calorie calorie balance.
Right, losing or gaining weightcomes down to calorie balance.
Losing weight requires acalorie deficit and a lot of the
times when people hear otherswho look like me say that

(45:27):
they're also saying you're fatand lazy, and just stop being
stupid, and I'm like that's notwhat I'm saying at all.
I'm just I'm trying to teachyou just the the, the
fundamentals and alsoacknowledge that it can be
incredibly difficult for variousreasons.
It's pretty easy for me to loseweight.
For some people it can be likepulling teeth.
It can be incredibly difficult.

(45:47):
They're hungry all the time,they have medical conditions,
they're in a food desert,whatever it is.
It can be really difficult andI think it's important that we
try and acknowledge that butalso not also acknowledge
reality, like this isthermodynamics.
You, we have to figure outsomehow how we can get you into
a calorie deficit without youlosing your mind.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, yeah, and it's, there's so many.
There's just so many thingsthat you have to contend with,
right?
Because I remember I don't feellike I see this as much.
I'm curious what you guys think, but I remember 10 years ago,
eight years ago, I would hearall the time oh, I actually
don't eat enough, that's why Ican't lose weight, and I'm just
like I don't see that as muchanymore, but occasionally it'll

(46:30):
pop up.
And I'm always like OK, Iunderstand where you're coming
from and I'm not going to sayyou're wrong, but usually from
my experience, three to fourdays out of the week, right, so
they they do well on their diet,for you know three days, right,
where they're eating 1200, 1100calories, but then for even,

(46:52):
maybe it's even only two dayswhere they're overeating.
But they don't realize.
We as humans, I think we justin general struggle with being
like oh, this, this, about thismany calories, when in reality
it's you know three times asmuch, right, I think that's a
really common thing.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, there was a weight loss coach I forget his
name on TikTok.
He did a great video on it.
It's like you're not losingweight because you're not eating
enough.
And then he went on talkingabout how, like for breakfast,
you have like two eggs becauseyou've told that's good, and
then you have a salad, and thenyou have basically nothing by
the time nine o'clock rollsaround.

(47:28):
You're just famished and youjust eat anything you can to not
feel hungry and yeah, that canhappen.
But the idea that, like I think, the idea that you need to like
fuel your metabolism with moremeals and stuff I think that's
mostly died out.
Occasionally people will tryand revamp it because it didn't
work for a while.
Right, like people bought intothat.
So, like, occasionally, I thinkit's a lot of, you know, people

(47:51):
are trying to make it on onsocial media with that sort of
thing like let's pull one of theold ones in the fucking closet
out, let's try that again.
Maybe people will fall for itmaybe they forgot.
It's been long enough peopleforgot that it doesn't work.
So like eat nine small mealsinstead and that's better, uh
yeah, but you know, just findingthe sustainability it's.

(48:11):
It's something that's just likeso many people struggle with,
because what percentage ofpeople just gain the weight back
like?
I don't know the exact numbers,but it's such a large
percentage it's huge, yeah, youknow.
So, like finding those thingsthat you, you feel comfortable
with.
Like you can eat oatmeal everyday for 10 years, like, and
you'd be fine, you're fine withthat, like, or you know whatever

(48:32):
, like you know little thing,you know one of those things
that work for you, and andthat's what I always I kind of
struggle with, like on a podcast.
This was like what do I do now?
Do I just give?
You a bunch of things like whatabout this, this, that that try
all these things?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
and that won't be overwhelming at all that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
So, like what?
Every week maybe I just givelike five.
Hey, here's these five thingsthat you could try.
Maybe you'll hate them or maybeyou'll be like, oh, this is the
secret, like this is what'shelped, this is what's actually
helped me.
I don't know, it's it's.
It's a tough thing to figureout.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, and I again.
A lot of times it comes frompeople having the best
intentions and like.
Another really common thingwith people that are trying to
lose weight is the you're veryexcited at the start, and so you
make these grandiose plans.
I'm only going to eat this manycalories, or I'm going to.
You know, I'm going to eat thechicken, broccoli and rice diet.

(49:25):
I'm going to do whatbodybuilders do, right, and it's
like, dude, you might be ableto do that for a little bit, but
eventually you're just going tobe sick of it.
And it's again.
It's not like, like, yeah,maybe you ran out of willpower
for that, but it's like, dude,you didn't need to do all that
anyways.
You know least resistance,right.

(49:48):
Like.
Where it doesn't feel as hard,again, it's always good.
It's never going to feel likeyou're running downhill because,
like, that's just, you knowit's not like that, but like you
don't have to make itincredibly hard for yourself,
right, like.
Like.
When I think about, likeSisyphus, you know, pushing the
boulder up the hill, that'sobviously.
That's already hard enough,right, that's weight loss.
But then when you add all theseother things, it's like okay,
now I'm going to add ice on theground, um, and then the boulder

(50:10):
is actually shaped like asquare and it's covered in oil
yeah, and so it's like you'remaking something that's already
difficult, which is losingweight, especially a significant
amount of weight, even moredifficult by adding all of these
extra things that you're likeI'm going to do all this, or
like and like it again.
It's things that are usuallybest intentions and like.
One of the things I'mmentioning is working out.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh, I'm gonna work out six days a week, brother
yeah, we see that every singlenew year's yeah, every, it's
these people who don't work out,suddenly go to the gym and they
think they're gonna do it sixdays a week and they're gonna do
the chicken broccoli rice thingthis is the time yeah, and it's
just like and then, and thenthe workouts they do and again,
I hate saying they because itfeels accusatory, I don't mean

(50:52):
in a negative way, right, butlike the workouts that are done
are way too much to where theycan barely move the next day.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
you don't need to feel that way like, and I hate
when people like oh yeah, I'mgonna, I'm gonna barely be able
to walk tomorrow, good workout,yeah they kind of wear it as a
pride thing.
You don't need to feel that wayto have a good workout.
You don't need to not be ableto walk the next day for a leg
day to count, and I'm sure thereare people who are like brother
.
You're just not committedenough.
Whatever, man.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Like I think that, again, if you're just getting
started in the followers, oh man, that's a whole nother story
where this adding instead ofrestricting mentality helps a
lot for for people, for thesustainable aspect of it,
because it's kind of weird, Idon't know like it's kind of
weird when you talk, when youcome at people with that a lot
of times they've never heardthat before kind of like to add
these foods in and you're like,oh, okay.
So they're like, oh, I, I hatethese things.
So like I can't do it.
I'm like, oh, what do you like?
Like I don't know, I fuckinglove asparagus.
I'm like, oh, dope, you shouldtotally eat that, that's great.

(51:52):
You're like, no, I thought wehad to eat broccoli.
Like, uh, no, that's yeah, notnecessary at all.
Whatever you, you, I don't, Idon't care if you're like one of
those weirdos like lovezucchini, I'm telling you, man,
it just doesn't have much flavorto it.
You know like I'm justunderwhelmed by zucchini.
I really feel there's bettervegetables in my opinion.
But hey, if you like zucchini,that's the thing.

(52:14):
You know.
Like, find those things that youlike and you can afford and you
can work into your diet andsort of build around that just
like oh, okay, I like this.
You know the classic one.
Like Costco's rotisseriechickens are over there, five
dollars, okay, so you can starta meal around that.
That's already a protein source, perfect.
How can you build around that?
I always I'm posting a videotoday about like, uh, edamame,

(52:34):
like that's one of my favoritethings.
I eat it all the time.
It's protein, it's fiber.
It just makes it easy for me.
You know how can you buildaround something that you like
and so that you can do it longterm instead of just restricting
and then eating only?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
cookies or the fuck it is.
Yeah, and it's like with thewhole chicken broccoli ricing.
That's fine.
If you want to do that and itworks for you, that's great, but
what's frustrating is it's thepeople that like oh no, it's not
just, it works, it's the onlything that works.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
It's like here's everything, it's perfect.
No, like, if it works for you,that's great.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
But like if someone else is like saying it's the
only thing that works, it's thepanacea, it cures everything,
it's perfect.
No, like if it works for you,that's great.
But like if someone else islike saying it's not working for
them and they're searching forsomething that will work for
them, let them find that,instead of just like you just
need to try harder, you justneed to like I don't know, like
again, there's a certain personthat works for and that's great,
but that's not everyone.
And I think, like understandingthat that's not everyone, and

(53:27):
trying to help, like meet thatperson where they are, because,
you know, losing weight for themis something that they maybe
they desperately need to do.
It Right, maybe they're.
You know, there's plenty ofpeople that, like weight loss
for them is like it's somethingthat has to happen and so
instead, of just being likebefore surgeries and stuff like
that.
Yeah, like before they, you know, before they are exploring
those other options which, again, maybe those options are the

(53:47):
things that they need, andthat's fine, right, I think
that's a whole another story,man.
I mean, I talk about that a lotbut, like you know, trying not
to shame the person, but I alsothink it's important to like try
everything that you can beforeyou go that route.
Again, that's a whole notherthing.
But like, yeah, it's aboutfinding what works for you and
not worrying about what otherpeople are saying is good, like

(54:09):
if the chicken, broccoli andrice brother is like, you know,
shaming, you just understandthat.
You know his frame of referenceand probably where he's coming
from is very different fromwhere you came from, and just,
you guys will probably nevercompletely agree and it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
If anybody's shaming you, you don't need them in your
life.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, agree, andit is what it is.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
if anybody's shaming you, you don't need them in your
life.
Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And then on top of that you have all the people
that you know.
It's become a trend over thepast few years to shame people
for eating any sort of processedfood or any artificial
sweetener, any of this.
I mean, how many fucking timeslike?
That's the one of the reasons Ihad to kind of switch up my
content style a little bit,because I was just so tired of
just like everything.
This is killing you, that'skilling you.

(54:50):
Stop using your fucking airfryer.
It's full of pfas, you know.
You know how little I give ashit.
Do you have any idea how little, how few shits I give about
that?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I don't care I I have to say it's hilarious that a
lot of those people that werecomplaining about the PFAS and
stuff air fryers probably votedfor Trump, who, just you know,
he changed the regulation onPFAS.
He increased the limit of PFASthat you're allowed.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I didn't know this, I did not know this, so you guys
are going to have more PFAS inyour water.
You know, at this point, giveme the microplastics, Give me
the fucking artificial, justgive me all the stuff.
I'm not, I can't, Even assomeone who makes content about
being healthy and shit.
I'm not going to do everythingperfect, because, fuck that man,

(55:42):
exactly, it's just soexhausting.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
It's just that when you place place that I just feel
like placing that expectationon yourself is just so
unnecessary.
Like, again, it's about for meit's about finding the that
strong foundation and buildingfrom there, and not like, if
you're someone that enjoy, thereare plenty of people that
really enjoy like optimizing asmuch as possible and that's fine

(56:05):
, awesome dope but like don'texpect everyone to have, like
you know, especially don'texpect the single mom of like
three kids that, like you, know,what I mean.
It's just like we're all on thesame 24 hours.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I'm like we're not all brian johnson trying to
fucking reverse our age.
Here I'm just trying to live myfucking life oh, that brian
johnson, not the other.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yes, that brian johnson last week went over.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
This liver king is brian johnson with an I and then
brian johnson with a y is thereverse aging guy.
They're both brian johnson.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
And then they can do like the fusion and they turn in
the one between powers.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Activate brian johnson he, he reversed his age
so much he went back to ourancestors.
Yes, he's a caveman now thenever aging caveman coming to
you on fox thursdays at sevenfuck yeah, that's how you oh,
before we go, I want to askbecause I always ask coaches
this rob knows what I'm askingbut, like I like to ask, um,

(57:01):
what's a trait that you seeamongst the, the people that you
work with, that makes themsuccessful, like what's
something they all do?
They're like the people that dothis.
They usually, they usually getalong pretty well.
I find that the people are ableto acknowledge this, do this,
whatever it is uh, honesty, uh,with me and then with themselves

(57:22):
.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I think that's really , really important, um, because,
like, if you're, if you'rehonest with yourself and like
your expectations and like themistakes that maybe you've made,
I think it's much easier tolike mitigate those and make
different choices.
I think a lot of times whenpeople are not very honest with
themselves and then it'sobviously me as a coach If
you're not telling me what'sactually going on, there's not

(57:44):
much I can really do for you.
But I think, honesty, tellingme what's actually going on,
there's not much I can really dofor you, but I think honesty.
And then I would say anotherone that I guess maybe I'm
cheating, but it would be liketightly connected, would be like
the like being able to forgiveyourself, um, and like not beat
yourself up over something, belike, hey, I did this thing,
that was not in my bestintention or that's not for what

(58:06):
.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I'm like the goal goal that I'm trying to get to.
It kind of goes back to yourlike responsibility, not your
fault.
Like I guess maybe it's likewhether it's your fault or not,
like it's now my responsibilityto be like okay, so this
happened and now I'm going to dothis instead.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, so I'm going to like be honest about this
mistake that I made, but I'malso not going to beat myself up
for two weeks just because itmakes me feel better.
You know which?
Again, I say that experience.
Yeah, I say that as someone whoyou know I beat myself up, like
so I'm not saying I'm perfect,you know, but it's like, you
know, it's about like, okay, Iunderstand that this was not the
best thing for me, but also Iunderstand that if I'm beating

(58:39):
myself up, like, I always talkabout like the, I like the wagon
, I like to talk about the wagon.
Right, we always talk about oh,I fell off the wagon.
Yeah, you're the one that'sdriving the wagon, right, and so
if you fall off the wagon,don't be like oh no, I fell off
the wagon, I'm gonna run threemiles backwards because I'm so
mad.
It's like the wagons rightthere.
Just get back on the wagon,like it's not leaving just get

(58:59):
back on, you know.
But like a lot of times you'relike oh no, where is it?
I'm gonna, I'm closing my eyesand I'm sprinting backwards like
it's like, don't do that, justbe like oh man, I made a mistake
.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Okay, cool, let me just get.
Let me hop back on it's rightnext to you.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Yeah, it's fine yeah, didn't leave you're driving,
you make a mistake, you get likehave like my daughter just
constantly falling over, hurtingherself.
She's one and a half, she'sjust like she's all over the
place and then she gets back up.
She keeps going.
It's fine.
She cried for a second big deal.
We keep going, you're good,it's not no reason, you know,
just keep moving.
Oh, that kid, I'm telling you,like when they're learning to

(59:34):
walk they got no idea.
Like she just walks straightinto things.
She's like bam, I'm like whatdid you not see that?
Right in front of you like no,she didn't like.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
My favorite is like the wobble.
You're like oh, they'redefinitely gonna fall and they
don't.
You're like how did you savethat one?

Speaker 1 (59:47):
I don't know like she'll, yeah, her arms go up
back and forth, back and forth.
Okay, I'm good and thenimmediately trips and falls over
again anyway it's fine.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
And then they sneeze and fall on the ground.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, oh man actually , I do have one more thing, even
though liam said his was onemore thing.
I have one more thing, um,which is every once in a while I
get asked by people about looseskin, while they're losing
weight.
That's a good one, and everysingle time somebody asked me

(01:00:18):
about it, because I don't haveany experience with that.
I literally tell them go lookup obese to beast.
If you have any advice forpeople as they're losing weight
and dealing with the loose skin,oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
So, first off, don't trust anyone that says they can
get rid of it for you.
That's the biggest one, theonly way to get rid of
significant right, because Ilost 200-ish pounds.
I still have my loose skin.
I haven't gotten any surgeries,but that's the way you get rid
of it.
Is surgery right, not the?
You know autophagy, not thisthing, not this.
You know pill, not this cream,this like roller derma roller

(01:00:55):
thing.
I'm not saying you can try allthat stuff if you want to.
The reason that I'm I I talkabout this so much is because,
again, I hate when people havefalse expectations and so like,
just understand, if you'relosing a significant amount of
weight, loose skin happens andno, you didn't do anything wrong
and that you, oh, you lost ittoo fast, you lost it too slow,
you didn't drink enough water,you didn't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
No, it's not your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
It just is what it is .

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Your skin.
It's just genetic, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
A lot of it, how much of into it.
You know how?
How old were you when you lostthe weight?
How?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
old were you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
how long did you have the weight on you?
How like one thing that peoplevoice?
Oh, you lost it too fast.
That's why I have it's justannoying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yes, losing weight too fast caused the skin damage.
Yeah, not the fact that I waslost of elasticity.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yes, yeah it, and so like it there's.
There's so many things thatpeople will say and and a lot of
them come down to kind ofblaming the person for why you
have loose skin and then sellingyou a solution to get rid of it
the solution to get rid of it.
If you, if you really hate itand again, if you want to get
rid of your skin by all means, Iunderstand it can be very
annoying, right, and it cancause pain, problems, rashes,

(01:02:03):
there's a lot of things.
Luckily, I haven't experiencedany of that, um, but, like, if
you want to do it, there issurgery, the you know it's very
expensive and then it's verypainful, right.
So I understand if you can'tafford it.
I the reason I talk about looseskin.
So I don't know if you knowthis liam, but I had a video
that went viral.
That that's what kind of that'swhat made me be able to do this

(01:02:25):
, right?
So that was that was in 2014, Ithink, um, and so this video
went viral where I was showingmy loose skin.
It was the first time I hadever done that and I was pretty
nervous.
But, again, I had been gettingso many questions from people
online asking about it, right,and this was when Instagram
didn't have video, and so I Ihad posted some pictures, but it
doesn't really.
It just didn't.

(01:02:45):
It doesn't really show it,right?
So I filmed this video and Ijust showed my loose skin, and
that video went viral, whichreally changed genuinely.
It did change my life, and so,um, you know, it's something
that I get asked about a lot andit's, you know, it's still
something that I have.
I don't I don't really strugglewith it anymore.
It's just, it's just becomepart of who I am, um, of who I
am.
You know, as far as, like, do Iwant to get rid of it?

(01:03:05):
I still don't really have anyplans to I, you know, again, it
doesn't really affect me, butagain, everyone is different and
you know, you like you mighthave it to where you're just
like I can't look in a mirrorand it's like really affecting
my mental health.
You know, then, by all means,obviously, go go for it, like,
do what you need to do foryourself.
But I just I like to talk aboutit because I don't want people

(01:03:27):
to feel like their journey isn'tover until they get the loose
skin right, I can see that yeah,because I've had people say
like, oh you're, you're almostyou're, it's like you're almost
good, you just need the onething you're almost fixed.
I'm fine, like you know, and Ithink a lot of that came down to
like media when, when I wasgrowing up, like the extreme

(01:03:48):
makeover, where they go, guys,guys, before we go, I'm sorry to
cut you off, but I talked to mywife the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It's the crazy.
I just like one day rememberedthe swan do y'all remember the
fucking swan yeah, rob, do youremember the swan?

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
dude, it's gnarly looking back on it, that's the
most fucking buck wild.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
It's crazy anyone who hasn't it.
They would take someone who'sconventionally unattractive,
yeah, and they were like, okay,we're going to break your face
seven ways from Sunday and putit back together Liposuction.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Liposuction, anything , any surgery you can think of
they would oh, rhinoplasty, itdidn't matter, like all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
They were like, oh you're, your nose is ugly as
shit, we're definitely gonna fixthat.
And they would give them likeall these different, you know
surgeries and everything, andthen they would just parade them
out on stage and I'm like,finally, you're beautiful,
you're acceptable by society,and just like like at the time,
I don't know, like I was younger, I don't know how old I was
when that came out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
But I was younger, you know.
It's like oh yeah, they lookpretty now like that, yeah, but
I don't know.
2004 2004.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Okay, so I was born in 91, so like I was 13.
When this came out over, it waslike yeah, okay.
But like, looking back on itnow I'm like that's the fuck,
that's just a wild show to belike.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah that's right now .
You're not such an americanreality.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
it's such an American reality I remember they would
always have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Well, not always, but a lot of times they would have
like this like oh, yeah, there'sthis girl at work that I like,
and then, like you know, like,oh, she doesn't like me.
And then they'd like you know,because they bring like everyone
they knew to this reveal, andthen, during the reveal, they'd

(01:05:32):
be like filming her, like oh,she like him now.
And I'm like, when I think backon, I'm like that's just
horrible man, like because, evenif she doesn't like like him
now, now you're just like,you're just shallow and it's
like.
And if you don't, it's likewell, you did it for no reason,
it's just like it's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
No, matter what yeah dude and I felt so like looking
back.
You feel so bad because likeit's not like you just get a
surgery and then you wake up thenext day and like you know it's
done like you have.
Like it's a shot ofinflammation and just pain and
everything, and they're justsuffering through all of this
and they're like I'm so happy,I'm so happy now that I will be
accepted by society, like holy,it's just so awful.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
And look up the swan and and ruin your day like I
don't know, it's still I'malmost positive I'm probably
tonight going to watch athree-hour youtube video about
this, because I'm just like I'mremembering I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I'm sure someone's made a very now I'm going to be
like, after, when I'm editingthis, I'll have to watch this
part again and I'll be like, ohcrap, I'm gonna watch the swan
while I'm sitting, I feel likeI'm gonna see a video from Rob
about the swan on TikTok soon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I need to talk about this in a video or something,
because it's just the mostfucking wild thing and I I don't
.
Just one day I was like, ohyeah, that was a, that was a
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
I just totally, it just escaped my memory
completely until just one day Iwas like you all remember this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I don't know I'm, until just one day I was like
you all remembered this.
I, I don't know, I'm not, no,I'm.
I appreciate you bringing thatup, because now I'm a hundred
percent going to be watching avideo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
The worst like just the fucking worst.
The gutter like the absolutegutter is like.
The gutter fell into the gutter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
That's that fucking show that would be the era I was
watching canada's worsthandyman, canada's worst driver,
which you know is the like itwas.
Like it was a show where we weput bad handyman or bad drivers
on and they got liposuction.
Yes, they got liposuction.
It was a nose job.

(01:07:20):
No, like unlike American gameshows, where it's like you know
you go on or you're trying tobeat everybody and win money.
There was no money to win.
You were there just because yousucked at driving or being a
handyman, and they were there toactually help you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Oh, okay, I thought maybe they were just there to
make fun of you.
That's Canadian.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
That's what I grew up with, not the swan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
John, do you have your computer right now?
Do you have your computeranywhere in front of you?
Yeah, computer right now.
Do you have your computer likeanywhere in front of you?
Yeah, can you look?
We need to show him the show.
We need to show up rob, we needto show him.
Have him look up the show,because we're just talking about
shows.
I need you to look up heilhoney, I'm home.
What can you just google thatfor me real quick?
I love just introducing peopleto heil honey, I'm home oh my

(01:08:04):
god okay, so it ran for anepisode and before it got
fucking canceled because, yes,it was was about hitler living
next door to a jewish family,with neil mccall as adolf, is
crazy to see it's yes, he wouldcome home and say, hi, honey,
I'm home, and it was just abouthitler's life living with ava
braun living next, a Jewishfamily, and they I want to know

(01:08:27):
the other episodes.
They only aired one before.
They were like what the fuck?
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I'm home.
It's a British show with hisJew neighbors.
Heil honey, I'm home is aBritish sitcom written by John
Jeff Atkinson.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Shout out to Jeff, I guess that's crazy, it's wild,
and you just like I need to justintroduce that to people so
that they know it existed not tolike.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
You have to go watch it really, but like you, I just
think people need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
That was a thing incredible, I think we need to
have a live viewing on thepatreon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
We'll get.
Yes, we'll get john, we'll getkevin in here we need to get
people and just watch the onlyepisode of heil honey, I'm home,
because people sat around, cameup with that idea, agreed on
the idea, got actors, shot itand produced it and put it on
air.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I mean, let's be real .
I mean, I think the best thingwe can do right now is normalize
Hitler, you know?
I think that that's we'realready halfway there let's go.
I know, have you seen Elon?
I mean, he's already getting itstarted.
We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
There's no way else to end it.
But this don't be your worst.
And go look up the swan andHeil honey, I'm home and go look
up a beast to beast.
Oh and yes, give yourpluggables to worry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Yeah, Just obese to be some pretty much everything.
Any any social media platformtype that in I should pop up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yes, it was great Cause, like my I've said this a
couple times the three peoplethat influenced me most when I
started getting into fitness onewas John Meadows, which he's
not with us anymore.
I won't we won't ever get tohave him on the show, but there
was Kevin Meyer, who's been on acouple times.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
And now we have you so well.
Thank you.
No, I I appreciate that, man,because I think what you're
doing is awesome, so the factthat I was any part of that
makes me really happy, and also,I know kevin very well and he's
a great dude.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
So, yeah, yeah, that's awesome yeah, we'll get
you on one of our uh, that wouldbe fun round tables I would
love that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Yeah, that'd be fun oh yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
That'd be great.

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