March 7, 2024 • 53 mins
Ever find yourself scratching your head at scientific headlines that sound more like science fiction than fact? GT from Bear Bait official joins us on a rollicking ride through the landscape of scientific research, ready to arm you with the tools to separate the wheat from the chaff. Bear with us (pun intended) as we tackle sensationalized science and chat about everything from inherited memories in mice to the pitfalls of diet fads.
Hold onto your headphones as we cut through the jargon and lay bare the hierarchy of evidence in scientific studies. We're not just talking about reading beyond the abstracts; we're getting into the meat of clinical trials, debunking gut microbiome myths, and questioning the cleanliness craze of detoxes. And yes, we even ponder the gustatory merits of munching on a raw appendix, all while keeping a critical eye on the role of social media and financial incentives in shaping what we believe about our health.
To wrap it all up, I'll share a tale that's part cautionary, part comical: a bear encounter on a hike that goes hilariously awry. It's a reminder that whether you're facing down a furry beast in the wild or navigating the wilderness of dubious scientific claims, staying composed and well-informed is your best defense. Join us for a lighthearted yet enlightening expedition into the world of science with our trailblazing guest, GT.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, before we start this episode of In Moderation
hey you, you, yeah, you.
You're listening right now.
I just want you to know you'remy favorite.
Don't tell any of the otherlisteners.
Welcome back to In Moderation.
And we're here today with avery sleepy Liam.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh boy, howdy, that is very much the case.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Had to force him to get out of Bedway too early.
Poor Liam Damn.
And our special guest today isGT.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yep, hi, I run a Bear Bait official on TikTok and
YouTube.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So tell us all about yourself, because, as it's well
known, we suck at telling peopleabout people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, sure, I'm a molecular biologist and I made
an account in part because Ireally just want to make science
accessible.
There's a lot of reallycomplicated topics that people
don't know how to learn aboutbecause they never learn to read
scientific articles.
So I just like to cover allsorts of news topics, especially
controversial ones, and justexplain what's actually going on
(01:02):
.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
That's actually something we hear a lot is
people asking how do we findscience to read?
How do you read science, all ofthose types of things, how read
?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
science.
I can answer that.
So we don't really learn toread scientific articles in high
school, and not even inundergrad, unless you're
pursuing a science degree.
I would recommend starting onWikipedia.
The people who actually writethose articles, like me, are
scientists, and it's just agreat way to get familiar with
the kinds of topics, how they'rewritten.
(01:34):
There's usually an abstract atthe beginning which is like a
paragraph that explains all ofit, and then, once you get more
familiar with those topics, justgo to the citations at the
bottom and start clicking onthose.
It's going to take practice,but I promise the longer you
spend reading it, the easier itgets.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, funny enough, that's actually how I
got started way back in the day,way back in the early days of
the internet, because I'm old asfuck.
I would go around reading withthe PDF articles and I would
link, jump from one to the other, to the other, to the other,
and I'd look down at thecitations and I'd look through
those and I'd just readeverything, while everybody else
(02:10):
is sitting there watching catvideos, they're sending me cat
videos and I'm like.
They're like Rob watch this catvideo and I'm like but I'm
reading Wikipedia.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, in grad school I just started writing them.
If I wanted to learn a newtopic, I would just hop over to
Wikipedia and start a new page.
Usually I mean, there weren'tas many esoteric topics in there
like a decade ago I stillcorrect them all the time.
It is a self-correcting system.
I write pages and then peoplewill come in and say, well,
that's not really how it is, andthen we have an argument about
(02:40):
it.
But you may not be able to useit as a primary source.
But if you go down to thecitations, those are primary
sources.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Do people argue on the internet?
How often does that happen?
Once in a while.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Never, never happens we don't have arguments on the
internet.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Finding Wikipedia and then the little things and then
the citation at the bottom.
It was the greatest thing everwhen I was in high school.
That was the greatest thing,because you just write whatever
it says in the Wikipedia pageand they're like oh yeah, just
copy paste that over.
It's like yes, I'm basically ascientist.
Now I don't know if you knowthis, but check out my term
paper.
I just wrote it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I heard that you are the certifying body for
rocket scientists, scientists.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, no rocket science .
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I am a rocket science scientist.
It is a sub-scientist.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's very complex.
It would talk way too long toexplain it, but it's fancy.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's all you really need to know Are you a rocket
scientist?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No, just a rocket science scientist.
Again, it's too much to reallyget into and people really
wouldn't understand.
I really don't want to hurttheir brains by me talking about
it.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You get to be a molecular biologist if you
actually spend time in a lab.
Other than that, you're just aprofessor.
I will say that somethingpeople don't understand is that
science is not monolithic.
In their field there'sarguments all the time over
everything.
That's one of the cool thingsscience tries to correct itself.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Let me ask you something because I want you to
try and get this across topeople Whenever there's one
person.
If people can find one personsaying something they're like oh
yeah, this is the way it is.
I don't know, dr Fung, I guessmaybe one of these people that
are just kind of the outliers.
Maybe we can just get across topeople like, hey, just because
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one person in that field saysthat often it's just because
they're not making enough money.
If they completely switch sidesand say the opposite, they will
make a lot more money than ifthey're saying the same thing
that 10,000 other people intheir field are saying.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm not going to name names, but there have been a
few scientists who have beenpaid by outside forces maybe a
corporation to say somethingLike sugar doesn't cause
cavities and they were promotedInteresting.
But yeah, if you've come upwith an idea that's an outlier,
you then have to prove it.
You have to do an experimentand show that it happened.
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And then other scientists aregoing to go in and then repeat
your experiment and see that itactually holds salt until it's
been repeated by other labs andthey say, hey, we got the exact
same result.
It's not true.
A great example of that one ismemories are inherited.
I know it sounds bizarre.
It did to everyone when theexperiment was first done.
If you shock mice in thepresence of a stimulus that's
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not otherwise unpleasant, likethe smell of lavender or the
color red, their offspring willbe afraid of it for generations
to come.
The first article said sevengenerations and everyone said no
frickin way.
And it was repeated and otherpeople found well, yeah, it
worked for four generations orthree generations.
So now that previously reallyweird claim has been proven.
(05:48):
Yeah, this phenomenon is good.
We don't know how, but we gotto figure it out.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So the important note here is that my offspring will
know to hate bananas.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I knew that the moment you said a word, the
first word I was like this isgoing to banana direction and
the banana direction is not whatmost people think it is.
That's a different thing.
But yeah, that's.
Yeah, I honestly did not knowthat.
I honestly didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Really incredible.
We can't make a whole lot ofclaims about it, other than this
phenomenon has been observeduntil we figure out the
mechanism, because theories aregreat but mechanisms are golden.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
So like yeah, and that's thething is.
If you bring, if you say like,okay, this person is like an
outlier, you know they'll say,but oh, other people have been
right before.
And you're like, yeah, like,listen, I totally get that.
Like I think it's good to haveother theories, but when just
one and I'm just going off ontangents here already, but it's
just so frustrating they're likeoh yeah, you're just paid by
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like big pharma, big, whatever,big, big, big, your big, big
page.
And then it's like you realizethis one person that like you're
citing they've been paid bylike everybody, like the re, the
, there's a good chance.
The reason they're saying whatthey're saying is because
they're getting paid bycorporations, by whatever, like
that's much more lucrative, justcrazy.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
One of my grants is from Monsanto Bayer, and that
means that there's a lot ofstuff that I can't talk about in
detail.
I hate it, and I wish thatscience was funded more by the
government and not corporations,but here we are.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It doesn't matter.
No, no, no, no.
It doesn't matter if it'sfunded by the government.
That's even worse.
Somehow I don't.
It doesn't make any sense, buton social, media it's somehow
worse because big governmentcontrols everything and it's
less it's funded.
I don't even know what it hasto be funded by.
It has to come out of thin airthat has to be funded by my
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basement obviously.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I got the stack of money in my basement.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm just handing it out to whoever agrees with me.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I just wish the science was better funded,
because it is so hard to getgrants for anything, and that's
why a lot of people like go tocorporations Well, the
government's not giving me money, so maybe Coca Cola will.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's not as bad as it used to be, like in the early
days of nutrition, companiesjust told scientists what to say
and gave them money for it.
We have a lot more ethics withit now, but there's still things
I'm not allowed to talk about.
I mean, I don't really workwith genetically modified crops.
I don't talk about them.
There's other programs that Ididn't want to be a part of,
(08:22):
which is like making suicideseeds seeds that once you grow
them, they can't then haveoffspring, and those are given
to foreign countries.
They end up dependent onsomething that can go away.
If there's ever a supply chaindisruption, that one, I think,
is borderline, truly evil.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's not how to joke I reckon alternative
fertilizers.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm making better GMO bacteria to replace fertilizers
which are hugely wasteful anddetrimental to the environment.
I think that's not evil.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But going back to people not understanding the
processes behind science,there's a lot of people who read
the abstract and they read thatone sentence at the bottom that
gives a very vague conclusionthat's more clickbait than
anything else.
They don't understand theprocess of that science.
(09:19):
They don't understand themechanism behind it.
They don't look at thematerials or how they actually
did this study or anything likethat.
Do you have any advice forpeople in regards to looking at
these studies?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, I do.
I had a previous title for anarticle that was like plant
slaves of something, somethingbacteria.
The plants were essentiallyfarming the bacteria and I came
up with a silly headline.
I realized since then the sillyheadlines that we sometimes
like to use can divert fromwhat's actually happening.
The abstracts are great to beable to read.
(09:58):
That's a start, but it's betterif you start to understand the
methods.
Right after the abstractthere's going to be the
introduction that's going togive you the background on that.
It's not going to be supercomplicated.
I think that would go a long wayto helping, something I do when
I make my videos, especially ifI'm talking about a topic
(10:19):
that's outside of my field.
I'll contact the researchersdirectly and even send them my
video and say hey, do you thinkthis is a good description of
what's actually happening?
Do you have any commentary?
Do you think something'smissing?
I think for science presenterslike myself, it's important to
make sure that you're giving thebest picture of what's actually
going on for the average person.
Yeah, you just got to read.
(10:40):
Keep reading and it'll start tomake more sense, and maybe talk
to people who actually know thefield and ask them if you have
a good idea of what it's reallysaying.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I like that Reach out to the actual researchers.
A lot of people don't realizethat these people love
discussing science.
They absolutely love it, and ifyou want access to an article
or a study that you don't havethe subscription to the journal
for, or whatever, you can emailthe people that were involved.
(11:11):
Most of the time they willhappily send you the entire
study, because they don't makeany money off the journals.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There is a slightly controversial website that I'm
not going to say I do or don'tuse SciHub F-T-I-H-U-B.
If there is a copy of yourarticle anywhere on the internet
, they will find it and you canread it.
It's a lot easier than goingthrough university libraries and
requesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
For legal reasons, I have to tell you that this
podcast does not endorse youusing SciHub, because you
certainly wouldn't want free,unlimited access to all
scientific stuff.
We wouldn't want you to havethat wink.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Scientific stuff, that's another point of
contention for me.
I think that if research isfunded by public dollars, it
should be public, like everyoneshould be able to read it.
It's just another barrier thatmakes science inaccessible and
makes people decide thathandwashing doesn't work, or
vaccines don't work, or masksdon't work.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I think that's great, but I think also almost no
one's going to contact theresearchers and look up.
Why don't you give people andthis guy can help them up
hierarchy?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
of evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Give them that, because that's really just where
you need to start.
I think that's where you cansee a lot of these fun people on
the internet trying to convinceyou of something with some
interesting research.
I'm basically playing Mad Libswith descriptions here, so you
can move a little bit on that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Hop over to Google Scholar, type in your topic, see
what comes up.
Look for stuff that's beenposted in high-quality journals
like Cell Science is a great one.
They post all sorts of fields,but one journal article in a
journal that's privately ownedout of China.
That has 70 papers probably notthe best one to go to.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But also I'm talking about what's the best form of
evidence.
You got your case studies.
I'm certainly like, is thatcase studies at the bottom, and
then you got your animal studies.
Are you telling me?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Paul's animal studies aren't the best source of
information.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
So you got your case studies atthe bottom, then you got your
animal studies and then, as youkind of go up, then you got your
kind of traditional studies andat the very top you got your
meta-analyses.
So meta-analyses are basedstudies of studies.
They take a bunch of studiestogether and they look for
themes.
Now and it drives me kind ofcrazy, just when you cite a
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meta-analyses and someone comesback at you with, oh but what
about this rat study?
So you're like, well one youknow what's even a better tool.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Look for reviews.
These are articles that go overall of the current research in
the field and they will talkabout.
Well, there is this weirdoutlier.
We don't understand it.
This is why it's not importantmy own articles.
I can't tell you how many timesI have to write, at least under
these conditions, under thistimeframe, like I don't know if
it's going to hold true forevery single soil type condition
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place like those are importantwords to kind of tune into, like
just because one person foundthis really wacky result doesn't
mean that it's going to holdtrue everywhere.
So it's best to pop over toreview article and check out a
lot of the research in the field.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But man, that wacky one wacky review will give you
like a ton of headlines.
I still remember the fartscuring cancer.
That was the greatest thing.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
There was a bunch of.
There was a ton of shit goingaround like all the media
outlets brought it up.
It was farts cure cancer.
They didn't know that because,basically, yeah, there were some
scientists studying some gasesand their relationship to cancer
and some of those gases were infarts and somehow, through a
game of telephone, that goteventually transformed into
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smelling.
The farts can prevent or curecancer.
And so much so that other mediaoutlets had to put out
statements.
They put out articles go, fartsdon't cure cancer.
There was multiple of those.
And still to this day, thepeople who ran the original
study get calls from morningshows like beefcake and hot wing
in the morning or wherever thefuck their names are.
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Like, hey, can you talk abouthow farts cure cancer?
And they're like we've goneover this a thousand times they
don't, but it doesn't matter.
As soon as that lead, thatbreakthrough, have that leak
happens, it's over, it's.
It's it's because we just loveit.
We love that fucking headlinethat says some crazy shit so
much we really do Did you?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
guys see the headline that said that scientists
discover city light 70 millionyears or light years away.
And that was not what happened.
It's just the satellitetelescope that could potentially
see artificial light that faraway.
And now everyone sending memessages like, did you hear they
found artificial light inanother galaxy, it's like, no,
that's not what happened.
Please stop saying it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's great too.
Please the headlines yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
A more sinister example of that is bitter
almonds.
I've been seeing that goingaround as a cure for cancer.
So bitter almonds have somewhatsimilar activity to
chemotherapy.
It's not specific and it ispoisonous.
It has arsenic in them.
They're the pits from the pitsfrom things like peaches, stone
fruit.
They look like almonds.
They're chock full of arsenic.
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They are poisonous.
So I had a family friend who isgoing through cancer treatment
and it is terminal so theydidn't want to do chemo because
he has tumors everywhere.
And he said well, yeah, hebought like a two pound bag of
bitter almonds.
He's going to try.
Like please don't, you couldend up killing yourself that way
and there's better treatmentsout there than eating arsenic.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
When has there ever been a single treatment better
than eating arsenic?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That sounds a little fishy to me.
Yeah, these things aredangerous.
People die because they hearsomething stupid on the internet
.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, the alternative, then, cancer is like.
I think cancer treatments isone of the biggest ones of them,
you know, like the alkalinediet or whatever it is Living
water.
It stops feeding cancer.
I mean, there's a million andone things out there.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Just make up something that cures cancer and
sell us a yeah if you want to go, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I actually have a great suggestion for people who
have diseases that are noteasily cured by conventional
methods Check out clinicaltrials.
There is always a lot ofclinical trials going on in
every country in the world.
You can sort by your disease Ithink there's like clinical
trialscom and then you canactually reach out to them and
find out if there's a place orif there's a wait list.
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I have a shattered l4, but I amtoo young to get stem cell
treatment, but I am on a waitlist for a clinical trial that
is trying to repair these breakswith stem cells.
I have to be 34, though.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And if you're in Canada, check out be the cureca.
That will give you a list ofall the clinical trials going on
.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Man, I want to be in some clinical trials now.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, one of the things that I have been able to
do for good with my TikTok is Iget people reaching out to me
who have obscure diseases, andI've actually managed to link
people up to clinical trials atMayo Clinic Nice.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's pretty fucking neat.
I want to be in, I want to try.
I want to try something.
It sounds so cool and I don'twant the disease part, though
that part doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You just want to be in the trial.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I just want to be in the trial for the disease aspect
.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I will plug another creator, megan.
She runs the page for Rafiki'srescue but she takes cats that
have obscure diseases.
She had a cat with felinesarcoidosis and I managed to get
her ahold of UC Davis who waswilling to treat that cat.
Unfortunately the cat perishedof the disease first and only
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case of sarcoidosis in a cat.
But having that relationshipmeans that if another cat comes
up with a really weird problem,then she already has contact
with them.
It is helpful.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Social media can be something for good.
It doesn't have to be for evil.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But the rest of the time it's for evil.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And yeah, that just goes back to the we love the
outlandish crazy headlines.
Man, if you're like an expertin your field, I'm telling you,
just forget the science aspect.
That's dumb.
Science can be manipulated.
Anybody inside they know.
If you, just if you changeenough values, if you skew the
numbers enough, you can make itsay pretty much whatever you
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want to say.
I mean, look at the wholevaccines and autism thing,
forget about it.
So if you it just just switchand you'll make so much money
you'll be completely evil andeveryone will hate you, but
you'll be rich, so you know youguys want to hear about some
cool research that came out ofmy lab about autism and gut
microbiome.
Interesting.
(20:13):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
There is no link.
Apparently, kids who haveautism tend to eat limited diets
and that changes their gutmicrobiome.
It is.
Makes sense Correlation, not acausation.
They actually took voles, whichare social creatures, and gave
them different diets with someof the microbes they found in
autistic children's guts.
It made no differencewhatsoever and when they
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actually looked at theliterature it clicked that like,
okay, these kids are eatingreally weird diets because they
have sensory issues.
But that still ends up in themedia and people are saying like
feed your kid a raw diet tocure their autism or do at worst
things like enema and switches.
Really upsetting to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, what is up with the enema things?
Why are we Okay guys?
Why are we obsessed withshoving things up our butt?
That doesn't go there.
Like I mean, if you go back tolike Kellogg I think a lot of
people have heard of Kellogg andlike his whole like bland diet
to stop kids from masturbatingIf you haven't heard that you're
, the rest of your day will bejust that.
Go look it up.
And like he believed in yogurtenemas.
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Daily yogurt enemas is what hedid.
Now he also lived at like 94.
So I'm just saying, like youknow, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But a great way to give yourself something like
candy-o-sist in your intestines.
I don't recommend that.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And is it just because, okay, we think like
poop bad, we get rid of the poopwith is the poop is the stuff
we're getting rid of.
So if we flush that out likefaster or better things will be
better, Like I.
What is it about?
The enema makes people.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well, it's not even just the enema Like.
There's also the people thatare selling the detoxes and
stuff that just make you shityour brains out.
Apparently, we just thinkpooping is the answer to
everything.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You'll actually gain weight If you do that
temporarily.
Your body will try to hold onto more water, so you'll end up
with extra water weight for acouple days.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You know what I think it is.
Okay, I have a theory andpeople back me up here, don't
back me up on here.
So, like back in the day, likeI love, like the, I love history
and I love medicine, so I lovethe history, medicine is great.
And so, basically, when, likedoctors, and when they're old
time, they come along to yourhouse with a little old timey
doctor bag, right, okay.
And they're like, oh, my, mychild or my husband is sick from
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this thing, and he looks at himand he's like, well, fuck, I
don't know what the hell this is, but like he needs to charge
them, right.
Like you need to make money asa doctor, of course, right.
So what do you do?
Do you just tell them like, hey, there's nothing I can do.
Can you pay me please?
No, that's not going to work.
You're not going to make shitdoing that you got some leeches
on that kid?
Yeah, Leeches, definitely anoption, for sure.
But like, yeah, those are alive, you got to carry them around.
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So you just take little.
You know a medics that justmake people throw up or poop or
both, you know whichever.
As long as it comes out and end, it doesn't matter, and so I
think that's just.
It's the idea that we're justlike flushing things out.
I think it's the idea thatthere's bad visually seeing
something expelled from yourbody or seeing something.
That's the thing.
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What people want is to seesomething happen.
So as long as if there's stuffcoming out of your nose, mouth,
anus, it doesn't matter.
As long as things are leavingyour body, people can say, hey,
that's the bad stuff.
You know, I'm, I'm, things areclicking.
Guys, I'm on a roll here.
So then there's like the peoplewho do like the parasite
cleanses and they're like lookat my poop, there's all these
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parasites.
It's like no, that's just bitsof your intestines because
you've been taken like I don'tknow, it's a whole bunch of shit
you shouldn't be.
And so it just looks like wormsand so we need to see that we
were, we're dumb, ape people.
Basically is what I'm sayingand we need to see little.
We need to be able to seethings in order to say, yes,
that works.
If you take something, youdon't see anything.
That it doesn't work.
That's my theory.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
When I hear something funny on that one.
I had tapeworms in November andI had to take a anti-helmetic
like I've remectant.
I immediately got COVID afterthat, like within two weeks,
Didn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So you're saying that horse medicine isn't going to
be the cure for COVID?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Nope, it is likely not.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Dun, dun dun.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Although my veterinarian did turn me on to
one animal medication that Iwill say works, and that is a
ringworm spray.
It works really, really well onathletes, but Really.
Yeah, so actually I have a funnystory about that.
When my partner was deployed,he gets he has chronic athlete's
foot because I think he needsto work better on keeping his
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feet clean.
But I sent him the horseringworm spray and it became
really popular on base.
So he handed it out to peopleand said if you share this with
anyone you have to say it's dogmedicine.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That's.
That's awesome.
Sometimes cigarettes go around.
Sometimes you know playingcards.
Sometimes it's athlete footspray.
That's for a dog like you never.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I feel like I need to go take a visit to my vet and
keep some of that on hand forgoing out hiking.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You can buy it on Amazon.
I'll link you to it.
It works really well After like10 years.
We have finally cured mypartner's athletes, but because
it was just not going away.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That is really good.
I think after a good day ofhiking.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't recommend people listening take any
medication made for animals,like when you do the dosages you
have to calculate, like themolecular weight of the
substance and your body to tryand convert it.
And we don't have the samelevers or kidneys or like just
don't take animal medication,please.
The spray is okay, it's notgoing in you.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It's.
It's terrible we have to put adisclaimer like that you know,
that's one thing, though is when, looking at studies in rats,
people forget that there's thatconversion you have to make If
it's if something.
The dose of something is 300milligrams per kilogram in a rat
.
It is not 300 milligrams perkilogram in a human.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Or if you just dump some shit on a Petri dish,
that's a little bit differentthan your body.
So basically what we're sayingis don't listen to headlines
only and don't take animalmedication in moderation.
See you guys later.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know what does cure or kills cancer cells
Firearms.
It works too.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh, that got dark.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, oh.
I'm just saying like whenpeople are thinking like, oh,
better almonds cure cancer, likea lot of stuff kills cells, it
doesn't mean you should try anduse them.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, a lot of people definitely like.
They get desperate looking fora cure for cancer and they fall
prey to the scams and stuff ofalternative medicine and they
would have done so much betterjust taking whatever treatment
is appropriate according toscience.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm okay with adults doing that, but people have
killed their children trying togive them alternative
medications rather than actualmedicine.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yes, they have.
It's kind of frightening.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
But when something doesn't have a cure, people get
desperate, like and desperationis really, I think, the key here
, because I mean when, whenyou're in that situation, you'll
try anything.
And if somebody online sayslike this worked for me and you
know, and like I'd love to justgo back and say, like the
hierarchy of evidence, like yes,you might have this meta
analysis with all these studiesand tons of people and all this,
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that is nothing compared to.
I cured my neighbor, my child,my friend, myself with this.
The anecdotes are so powerful toyour average person, like to
your person, who's actually?
Who's actually like?
Who's looked at scientificliterature and like does this on
a daily basis, whatever?
(27:55):
It's like, yeah, no, that'snothing.
But to your average person, afucking anecdote, is the world
Like wait, hold on, you're cured.
Who with what?
That's what I'm suffering from.
It's, it's so powerful, it's sounbelievably powerful.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I was going to just say there's one other problem
with animal models, becauseanimals are different than us.
So when you hear that somethingcured something in rats, it's
not a direct comparison andthat's why we have to go through
animals like macaques orchimpanzees before we get to us,
because we don't know if thesame effect is going to be seen
in humans.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, what was it?
Smeglotide, I think, was theone that people got worried
about it causing throat cancerin rats, but it was binding to a
receptor in rats that humansliterally do not have.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I'm also really concerned about people taking
diabetes medication to loseweight for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, interesting.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, so, first and foremost, this is a medication
that people need to treatdiabetes and the popularity has
resulted in shortages wherepeople can't get diabetes
medication.
We also don't know the longterm consequences.
I mean, when you have diabetes,you're going to probably try to
avoid other things like highblood sugar, which can damage
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your body and make you go blind.
So in an average person, whatis it going to do to them 10
years down the road?
They weren't trying to avoidsomething terrible.
They're just giving themselvesthe substance that they don't
need.
It also doesn't change theirbehavior.
They're going to gain weightlater.
There's also one issuegastroparesis which I have
because I took Cyprus foreign.
(29:31):
I'm not saying don't take yourantibiotics, but I have a
contradiction that the doctordidn't notice.
It gave me gastroparesis, whichmeans my guts move too slow.
It's not fixable.
We don't know how to cure it.
I have to live with that.
I've gotten a little bit betterover the years, but I cannot
imagine taking a medication thatcould cause that to lose weight
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and then having to live with itforever.
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
A lot of people don't take notice of what the side
effects of their choices couldpossibly be.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But weight loss, again, is one of those things
that a lot of people have beensaying, things that a lot of
people have been searching forfor a long time, and they've
struggled and they've lostweight and gained weight.
So, again, if you findsomething that actually works,
you say, oh, side effects, fuckit, it's working.
So I understand, I get wherethey're coming from.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Right it's definitely important to point that out
that just because somebody saidsomething worked for them, or
just because something like aweight loss thing is a side
effect of a drug, doesn't meanthat you should go out and take
it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, Kind of like when people decide to take
Adderall to lose weight.
They end up addicted to it andit doesn't help once they stop
taking it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, the best thing you can do for losing weight is
just developing better habits inyour life.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because you
point out a lot of really badadvice on social media.
Do you have any thoughts onthat, like the consequences of
people saying oh just, you needto go on a raw diet or a meat
diet, which either way can causekidney failure?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, they're reinforcing these habits that
people are forming that are,first of all, they're
unnecessary, because we knowthat, like, a little bit of
sugar is just fuel for your body, it's not going to harm you.
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A little bit of fat just helpsyour body absorb fat-soluble
vitamins, it's not going to harmyou.
It's always these extremes thatare the bad things.
Usually, what happens withthose various advices like going
carnivore, going keto, all thatthey usually are advising
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people to go extreme in one wayor another.
They're developing these habitsthat could be damaging to them
in the long run, or they'retrying to force their life into
a style of living that theycan't sustain in the first place
.
They can't actually form habitsaround it.
(32:10):
They're not enjoying it.
They're going to give it up andthen they're just going to go
back to the way they were eatingin the first place.
Thank you.
Which is the way they got theweight on or the way they got
unhealthy to start with?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I've watched my dad be on a diet for like literally
the last 30 years and just gainsit all back every time I
managed to improve my diet.
I have maintained the exactsame weight for just about 10
years now and I'm still watchinghim yoyo Like have the doughnut
.
Just try to maintain it overtime so you're not overeating
(32:46):
every day, but the allure oflosing 10 pounds in a week is
just still there.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Listen, let me break it down for everybody.
Listen, I'm going to tell youhow it works.
This is how it works.
Okay, right, so there's aperson.
We're going to call him Philand Phil has I'm Phil.
Phil.
His name is Phil, I've alreadydecided.
All right.
So there's Phil, and Phil haslost a bunch of weight doing a
diet.
We're going to use keto becauseI hate it.
And so Phil lost a bunch ofweight doing keto.
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Now he tells his friend, georgeGeorge, you got to try this.
Holy shit, like I lost so muchweight.
George tries it, he loses abunch of weight.
Now he gets online, he startstelling people about this diet.
He's starting to like, hey,keto is the way to go and here's
where it really happens.
Okay, then you start gettingclients, you start selling
supplements, you start whatever.
(33:35):
You start making money in someway off the keto diet.
And now your whole personalityand your whole media, social
media presence has tied to keto.
So now you have this massiveconfirmation bias where
everything it has to be keto.
If it's not keto, then you arewrong, then you don't make money
.
So now it doesn't matter.
(33:57):
It truly does not matter whatevidence people show you.
If it doesn't work for someoneelse, it doesn't matter, because
everything around you isrevolved around this one diet.
So if somebody didn't did ketoand it didn't work out for them,
they just did it wrong.
That's just on them, becausethey didn't do the diet right.
(34:19):
They didn't do whatever specialrules you fucking came up with,
phil came up with.
So now and you can see thisthrough literally anybody you
look at like someone like PaulSaladino, carnivore MD, like
it's all about this animal-baseddiet, so everything all his.
If you point out researchshowing like, hey, a lot of what
you're saying is not founded inthe literature, it doesn't
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matter, because his wholepresence has become animal-based
, and here's my supplements andhere's every other way I make
money off it.
So you have to just keeppounding away at whatever the
fuck you came up with in thefirst place.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, the confirmation bias is real.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I want to tell people about the Carnivore diet and
the only way you can make itwork.
So I will take my cat for anexample.
My cat is an obligate carnivore.
I have to supplement her dietwith plants because normally she
would be getting that plantmaterial from the guts of her
prey.
So if you really want to make aCarnivore diet work, you have
to eat it raw, because cookingcan destroy a lot of the
nutrients, including vitamin C,and you have to eat their guts
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because that's where you'regoing to get plant matter.
Might be a lot safer to justcook your meat and eat
vegetables.
I love that.
That sounds dumb.
That sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I give you one thing, I want one thing.
So you just said I have to eatraw meat.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Boom, you have to eat the entire animal.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Okay, so I have to eat a whole thing You're going
to eat the pancreas and it'spart of his liver.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Don't eat a lot of liver because it has toxins and
a ton of vitamin A in it.
You got to eat the lungs, yougot to eat the brain and hope
that you don't get a priondisease.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, what do you think?
Lungs taste like?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I've had haggis, but I've had haggis.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh, haggis is a good one, but haggis is just like
everything.
They're kind of just like blendthe whole animal up and just
like throw it in there, right.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, you can't actually eat lungs in the United
States because they don'tconsider it suitable for human
consumption.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Interesting.
So then we just have tospeculate.
I think it tastes airy, I thinkit tastes like a little spongy
and like it's light, like anangel food cake.
I think that's what lungs tastelike, minus being so sweet and
tasting like cake.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I know that I've had pancreas, but actually does kind
of taste sweet and spongy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, so I think it's kind of like lungs.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, there we go.
What?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
do you think of appendix?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Pancreas is sweet huh the what tastes like Appendix.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
What do you think an appendix tastes like?
It's kind of small, right, sois it just something you kind of
pop in there with one go, or doyou have, to like, cut it?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Probably taste the same as tripe, because it's just
like another little hole inyour intestine, because yeah, it
doesn't have like collect stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We don't really use our appendix anymore, but like
that theory, was it used to likecollect some of the whatever
fucking stuff you ate and thenyou did things with it?
I don't know.
Appendix is yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I can tell you humans are a very strange animal.
So in most animals, likecarnivores, they have a
functional appendix because thatcollects bacteria.
So when you poop you don't loseall of your bacteria, it just
kind of holds onto it so you candigest stuff.
So humans have the part of thegut of a carnivore.
Our stomachs are very, veryacidic, but the rest of our guts
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just aren't adapted for a meatdiet.
If you try to eat just meatyou'll end up constipated and
get diverticulated.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So do you think it tastes good?
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, I like tripe, I like bargain meats.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, what about?
Like a stomach, is that?
Like kind of like a lemon or alime, like is it acidic?
Is it like, because you know,stomachs are acidic, lemon
acidic.
I feel like those two thingsare the same.
Probably just a tripe.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
You're not eating the stomach acid.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh right, I guess you probably don't eat the stomach
acid.
You gotta drain it first.
But like what if?
You just kind of cook the wholething whole and then you just
eat it Like I'm just sayinglisten, these are the questions
we need to ask, that's.
You know, I everybody's tooafraid to ask these questions.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Fun fact our guts are capable of eating rotting meat,
but because we have such asterile diet in life, we can't
eat it.
If you grew up in a countrywhere they didn't have
refrigeration and you had to eata lot of rotting meat, you
wouldn't die because your bodyhas gotten used to those
microbes.
When people die a horriblediarrhea, death it's dehydration
that gets them because yourbody is reacting to something
(38:38):
it's never seen before.
It's a little bit like anallergic reaction.
So you're saying Traveller'sdiarrhea.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, so what you're saying is we've gotten soft, is
basically what you're sayingAmerica has gone soft and we
need to go back to our eatingrotten meat ways.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Please don't feed your children rotten meat.
I don't feel like that needs tobe said, but yeah, don't do
that?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
No, that definitely needs to be said.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
With the videos we make and go over.
It does need to be said thatyou shouldn't eat rotten meat.
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Actually no, morticia .
After we were done with ourepisode with her, we started
talking about the fads goingaround of people eating rotten
meat.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I don't know if you remember that that was a thing
People did this.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's a thing People will like.
They set meat aside for like ayear and then they will eat it.
What doesn't kill you, makesyou stronger right?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Isn't that the old saying?
No, actually, no, it just makesyou really weak until you
eventually.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
What doesn't kill you leaves you in a hospital bed,
in a coma.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
What doesn't kill you makes me fucking miserable and
wish you didn't do the thingthat you did.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, that's actually kind of an interesting topic.
Since we started storing food,we have a host of new diseases
that we wouldn't haveexperienced before, like
botulism.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That's true.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Hey look, I figured out a wayto preserve food.
Well, fuck, now we got moreproblems.
Well, we got other problems.
They're just different problems.
They're always just differentproblems.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's kind of the motto of humanity, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Right, you solve looking that, and now you got to
work on more shit.
Yep, what do you think a nosetastes like?
See, I feel like it's realcartilagey, you know.
So it's like real hard, likepigs.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Now, Are you with the grit cannibal?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm starting to feel like that.
No, I'm sorry I didn't hearwhat you said there, I just got
to keep talking.
Um.
So like I think, like ears andnose like probably be pretty
similar, right, like it's justlike that cartilage, I feel like
that's something.
I feel like a nose is a slowroast situation, like a slow
cooker you know what I'm saying.
Like it would have to, you'dhave to break down, break it
down for a long time, right, andmaybe add some of the stomach
(40:59):
acid or whatever, just to likekind of soften it a little.
No, am I?
I'm alone.
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You've gone from eating grass to eating noses.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
We say eat a wide variety of foods, Rob, I've, and
you and you get mad at me forsticking to that.
That's no, that's cool, Likewhatever you know, I just try to
do what we say.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I uh.
Fair point, that's a fair point.
Fair play to you, liam.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Say eat variety, and then get all mad at me.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I'm going to brain dump all that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's going to be most people after this episode,
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Give us a fun like fact thing that you found in
like I don't know throughoutyour work that, but you tell
people and they're like what?
That's crazy, I didn't knowthat was a thing, and you're
like it's totally a thing.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, so you know that thing where we have
chloroplasts and plants andmitochondria in both and they
were likely their own organismat some point my model organism
is an intermediate.
It's on its way to becoming aplant organ.
I work with Rhizobia, which arenitrogen fixing bacteria, and
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for some of them they go insideof the plant and then they
become plant organoids.
Like they're never able toresume free living life.
Some of them do escape, butit's really easy to see how they
could just not escape at somepoint and stay inside the plant
cells.
So when people talk abouttransitions and evolution, they
don't realize that everything isstill in the process of
(42:33):
transitioning.
Good point it's so cool whenyou find an intermediate that
can show this is how this thinglikely happened.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So how long do you think it's going to take?
Like a couple months a year,maybe another a few years, like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I don't know, but I bet I could engineer them to
stay inside of the plant andjust be a GMO plant with the
plant organoid bacteria.
I've heard GMOs are bad though.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I've heard those things are the reason that we're
fat.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Why aren't people afraid of GMOs Like?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
because it's no, no, no, no, I listen, I know this, I
know.
This is why it's GMOs.
People don't like GMOs becauseit's scary science.
We're in the stage of gettingback to nature, guys.
Okay.
So everything natural is good,and the more artificial it is,
the worse it is.
Let me look at vaccines.
Look at anything with likescience-y stuff.
(43:22):
Science-y stuff is bad.
Now, okay, and it doesn'tmatter if you can show hey,
here's all this research, it'stotally fine, it's safe.
Millions of lives no, that'sfucking dog shit.
That doesn't matter.
We are at the stage where wehave to just start eating.
Everything immediately comesfrom the ground.
Fuck cleaning it off, justshove that shit in your mouth.
That's the stage we're at rightnow.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
You know, at least with genetic engineering it's
targeted.
We know what we're putting inwhen we take mutations like, hey
, this broccoli is just reallyresistant to fungus.
We don't know if that's goingto be a compound that's going to
be toxic to us.
But I do have a really fun fact, and after World War II the
United States wanted to changethe view of nuclear bombs, so
they decided to implement abunch of science programs, one
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of which was tossing cadmium 60,a radioactive compound, into
fields and just letting theplants mutate, and that ended up
giving us most of the plants weeat today Like.
This one looks a little bitbetter.
We're just going to use thisone.
This one's bigger, this one hasmore fruit Like wheat barley.
Everything on our shelves camefrom the nuclear program, which
is just incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
That's awesome.
Just throw a bunch of shit atthe wall and see what sticks
basically.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, people actually started buying cadmium 60 and
growing them in their own yards,which I'm guessing was not a
good idea.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
We don't know that.
Yeah, probably not a good idea.
We'll let Liam test that out.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
What do you think a radiated meat tastes like?
What do you think aftersomething's been irradiated,
does it give it a slight tang,or like what's the deal I have?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
irradiated meat in my body.
I had a cartilage transplantfrom a cadaver and they
irradiated it, so all the cellswere gone and then just shoved
it in there.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, that's holy shit, that's smart actually.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, and I don't have to take like
immunosuppressants because allthe donor cells were gone, it
was just the cartilaginousstructure.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Sucks only works for cartilages is not like hearts,
because I feel like if you didthat to a heart it wouldn't work
.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Okay, that is a topic I would love to talk about,
because somebody decided to justthrow stuff at the wall and see
if it worked and ended upsetting back that research by
decades.
So if you know the story of DrDeath, there was an Italian
surgeon who decided to starttaking 3D printed tracheas,
doing no research.
She actually falsified hisresearch and said he did animal
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models and started putting themin people's windpipes and I
think all of it one of themperished, ended up going to jail
for a while, kept his medicallicense, amazingly.
But that is the danger of takingsomething that sounds good and
just doing it.
There's a reason that we haveto do tests.
So I would caution peoplebecause eating this diet or this
substance sounds good, maybeactually look at what it really
(45:55):
does, but then you don't know ifit were like if you just throw
shit at the wall.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
it might stick, though, like it might work, or
you might kill a bunch of people.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, he lied about it and covered it up and just
kept performing the procedure.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Wait, was he in Italy or was he an Italian doctor in
America, or was he doing?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
this.
He was an Italian doctor inItaly, but he falsified his
research and ended up going toSweden, I think, and
establishing a lab and said, hey, this stuff works.
And they thought it did untilthey realized it didn't.
So he claimed that he wasseeding them with stem cells and
they grew and like ciliated,and in fact it was just a piece
of hunk of plastic.
So one thing that we are allworking on in the scientific
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community not me personally istaking irradiated tissue like my
cartilage and growing stemcells on them to try to replace
the structures of things likeHearts.
Unfortunately, a lot of thatstuff lost funding after that
research came out on thetracheas and no one wanted to
touch it.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Understandable.
Is this the same guy thatBarbara O'Neill tells people to
go to to get baking sodainjected into their veins?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
They're things.
I don't want to know what thosethings are.
I was waiting for that lastword and I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Is that to inject baking soda?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
This podcast is just going to be us.
You remember the guy that saidinject the thing into the thing,
you go look it up.
Yeah, no, it was this, was thishappened?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, I think it was baking soda.
Trying to look it up superquick, rob's just a bunch of
like recipes on baking soda.
How much do?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
you need to use for this cake.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Can't find the guy's name.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I would caution a viewer who wants to inject
anything into anything.
Understand that your blood isliquid and if you're going to
put anything in there that's notliquid, it could kill you.
But, yeah, I can't find theguy's name.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
But she was, barbara O'Neill would talk about this
guy in Italy who they they weredoing the whole.
Cancer is a fungus and you cankill it with baking soda smart.
And so he would inject bakingsoda into his patients to kill
the cancer.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
They should arrest people for no, that's big
government getting in the way ofpeople curing cancer.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
What are you talking about?
That's?
That's the man trying to putthese people down who are trying
to help others.
That's the least one.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, go on.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Supposedly he was like on the run from the law
because he actually did killpeople doing this.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
obviously that's not, that doesn't come as a surprise
.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
But yeah, he, apparently he was like doing
this while trying to evade beingcaptured by the police.
I don't know if I don't know ifit's the same person, but it
sounds like it probably could be, because he was practicing in
Italy as well.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
I will look it up.
That is horrifying yeahinteresting.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Wow, I think we should leave people with don't
read headlines.
And what does an eyeball tastelike?
Because I mean is it you?
Speaker 3 (49:20):
just does it pop?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
is my question.
That's really all I want toknow.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I will say that if all the people were paying me
that people say are paying me Icould probably pay off my car
and my student loans.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, you and me both .
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, how do I go on a big farmers payroll?
And there you go.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
That's the fucking now.
That's the question.
That's the question right there.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I got asked questions I've never been asked before in
my life.
It was a good time.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
We spent half the podcast just wondering what
different body parts tasted like.
That was the question Liam did,anyway, but you said it at the
start, but you can say it againwhen can everybody find you?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, you can find me on tiktok or YouTube.
My username is bare baitofficial.
I am definitely the only thingthat pops up when you type that
into tiktok.
I'm still growing my YouTube,but I just like to explain
complicated science topics, andI have an interest in spooky
diseases.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You know, it's a fun fact People like going hiking
with me, taking me hiking ontrips with them because they
know if they ever stumble on abear, they all know that they
will be able to run away becauseI will be busy trying to hug it
.
I am the bear bait bear.
True story.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
That was a long way to go for joke.
That's all I'm going to say.
That was like you had to gothrough some dips and valleys in
order to get to that punch lineit's not a fucking joke, it's
the truth.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's a legitimate thing that people will say when
they want to go hiking with me.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I have one other really hilarious story about
that.
My nickname is Bear bait.
I do a lot of hiking.
I encounter a lot of bears, oneof my ex-boyfriends.
We were hiking and it got to benighttime.
We were just trying to get backto the car.
We came across these twoglowing eyes and then another
pop of some other smallerglowing eyes popped up.
I shined my headlamp on it.
(51:25):
It was a mother bear.
I was just like all right,we're just going to back away,
we're going to leave her alone.
My ex-boyfriend is freaking out.
He turned tail to run.
In the process he stabbed methrough my foot, through my shoe
, with a trekking pole and thenpromptly tripped and fell on his
face.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Well, now we know why he's an ex.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, he fell on his face.
I'm concerned about somebody'sabilities, maybe character.
If that's your first reactionto danger, stab someone and run.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
All I can think is if that was filmed and then was
uploaded to like Instagram, itwould have 30 million views by
the next day.
That's all you would be rich.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Oh God, I wish, I wish that was filmed.
Bear had no interest.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I just walked away calmly, thinking like Bear was
just laughing its ass off, likewhat am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
In the moment I was hoping that the bear ate him
alive.
Oh yeah, he had the keys,though I would be hanging out at
the trailhead for a while, butin the moment I was just hoping
for that.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
So take away from this podcast, everybody.
Don't stab people in the feetwhen you're running from a bear
Good, or if you do.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Good night everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Don't trip and fall on yourface.
Now, before we start this episode of In Moderation
hey you, you, yeah, you.
You're listening right now.
I just want you to know you'remy favorite.
Don't tell any of the otherlisteners.
Welcome back to In Moderation.
And we're here today with avery sleepy Liam.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh boy, howdy, that is very much the case.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Had to force him to get out of Bedway too early.
Poor Liam Damn.
And our special guest today isGT.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yep, hi, I run a Bear Bait official on TikTok and
YouTube.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So tell us all about yourself, because, as it's well
known, we suck at telling peopleabout people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, sure, I'm a molecular biologist and I made
an account in part because Ireally just want to make science
accessible.
There's a lot of reallycomplicated topics that people
don't know how to learn aboutbecause they never learn to read
scientific articles.
So I just like to cover allsorts of news topics, especially
controversial ones, and justexplain what's actually going on
(01:02):
.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
That's actually something we hear a lot is
people asking how do we findscience to read?
How do you read science, all ofthose types of things, how read
?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
science.
I can answer that.
So we don't really learn toread scientific articles in high
school, and not even inundergrad, unless you're
pursuing a science degree.
I would recommend starting onWikipedia.
The people who actually writethose articles, like me, are
scientists, and it's just agreat way to get familiar with
the kinds of topics, how they'rewritten.
(01:34):
There's usually an abstract atthe beginning which is like a
paragraph that explains all ofit, and then, once you get more
familiar with those topics, justgo to the citations at the
bottom and start clicking onthose.
It's going to take practice,but I promise the longer you
spend reading it, the easier itgets.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, funny enough, that's actually how I
got started way back in the day,way back in the early days of
the internet, because I'm old asfuck.
I would go around reading withthe PDF articles and I would
link, jump from one to the other, to the other, to the other,
and I'd look down at thecitations and I'd look through
those and I'd just readeverything, while everybody else
(02:10):
is sitting there watching catvideos, they're sending me cat
videos and I'm like.
They're like Rob watch this catvideo and I'm like but I'm
reading Wikipedia.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, in grad school I just started writing them.
If I wanted to learn a newtopic, I would just hop over to
Wikipedia and start a new page.
Usually I mean, there weren'tas many esoteric topics in there
like a decade ago I stillcorrect them all the time.
It is a self-correcting system.
I write pages and then peoplewill come in and say, well,
that's not really how it is, andthen we have an argument about
(02:40):
it.
But you may not be able to useit as a primary source.
But if you go down to thecitations, those are primary
sources.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Do people argue on the internet?
How often does that happen?
Once in a while.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Never, never happens we don't have arguments on the
internet.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Finding Wikipedia and then the little things and then
the citation at the bottom.
It was the greatest thing everwhen I was in high school.
That was the greatest thing,because you just write whatever
it says in the Wikipedia pageand they're like oh yeah, just
copy paste that over.
It's like yes, I'm basically ascientist.
Now I don't know if you knowthis, but check out my term
paper.
I just wrote it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I heard that you are the certifying body for
rocket scientists, scientists.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, no rocket science .
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I am a rocket science scientist.
It is a sub-scientist.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It's very complex.
It would talk way too long toexplain it, but it's fancy.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's all you really need to know Are you a rocket
scientist?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No, just a rocket science scientist.
Again, it's too much to reallyget into and people really
wouldn't understand.
I really don't want to hurttheir brains by me talking about
it.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You get to be a molecular biologist if you
actually spend time in a lab.
Other than that, you're just aprofessor.
I will say that somethingpeople don't understand is that
science is not monolithic.
In their field there'sarguments all the time over
everything.
That's one of the cool thingsscience tries to correct itself.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Let me ask you something because I want you to
try and get this across topeople Whenever there's one
person.
If people can find one personsaying something they're like oh
yeah, this is the way it is.
I don't know, dr Fung, I guessmaybe one of these people that
are just kind of the outliers.
Maybe we can just get across topeople like, hey, just because
(04:32):
one person in that field saysthat often it's just because
they're not making enough money.
If they completely switch sidesand say the opposite, they will
make a lot more money than ifthey're saying the same thing
that 10,000 other people intheir field are saying.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I'm not going to name names, but there have been a
few scientists who have beenpaid by outside forces maybe a
corporation to say somethingLike sugar doesn't cause
cavities and they were promotedInteresting.
But yeah, if you've come upwith an idea that's an outlier,
you then have to prove it.
You have to do an experimentand show that it happened.
(05:06):
And then other scientists aregoing to go in and then repeat
your experiment and see that itactually holds salt until it's
been repeated by other labs andthey say, hey, we got the exact
same result.
It's not true.
A great example of that one ismemories are inherited.
I know it sounds bizarre.
It did to everyone when theexperiment was first done.
If you shock mice in thepresence of a stimulus that's
(05:28):
not otherwise unpleasant, likethe smell of lavender or the
color red, their offspring willbe afraid of it for generations
to come.
The first article said sevengenerations and everyone said no
frickin way.
And it was repeated and otherpeople found well, yeah, it
worked for four generations orthree generations.
So now that previously reallyweird claim has been proven.
(05:48):
Yeah, this phenomenon is good.
We don't know how, but we gotto figure it out.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So the important note here is that my offspring will
know to hate bananas.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I knew that the moment you said a word, the
first word I was like this isgoing to banana direction and
the banana direction is not whatmost people think it is.
That's a different thing.
But yeah, that's.
Yeah, I honestly did not knowthat.
I honestly didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Really incredible.
We can't make a whole lot ofclaims about it, other than this
phenomenon has been observeduntil we figure out the
mechanism, because theories aregreat but mechanisms are golden.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
So like yeah, and that's thething is.
If you bring, if you say like,okay, this person is like an
outlier, you know they'll say,but oh, other people have been
right before.
And you're like, yeah, like,listen, I totally get that.
Like I think it's good to haveother theories, but when just
one and I'm just going off ontangents here already, but it's
just so frustrating they're likeoh yeah, you're just paid by
(06:47):
like big pharma, big, whatever,big, big, big, your big, big
page.
And then it's like you realizethis one person that like you're
citing they've been paid bylike everybody, like the re, the
, there's a good chance.
The reason they're saying whatthey're saying is because
they're getting paid bycorporations, by whatever, like
that's much more lucrative, justcrazy.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
One of my grants is from Monsanto Bayer, and that
means that there's a lot ofstuff that I can't talk about in
detail.
I hate it, and I wish thatscience was funded more by the
government and not corporations,but here we are.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It doesn't matter.
No, no, no, no.
It doesn't matter if it'sfunded by the government.
That's even worse.
Somehow I don't.
It doesn't make any sense, buton social, media it's somehow
worse because big governmentcontrols everything and it's
less it's funded.
I don't even know what it hasto be funded by.
It has to come out of thin airthat has to be funded by my
(07:40):
basement obviously.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I got the stack of money in my basement.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'm just handing it out to whoever agrees with me.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I just wish the science was better funded,
because it is so hard to getgrants for anything, and that's
why a lot of people like go tocorporations Well, the
government's not giving me money, so maybe Coca Cola will.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's not as bad as it used to be, like in the early
days of nutrition, companiesjust told scientists what to say
and gave them money for it.
We have a lot more ethics withit now, but there's still things
I'm not allowed to talk about.
I mean, I don't really workwith genetically modified crops.
I don't talk about them.
There's other programs that Ididn't want to be a part of,
(08:22):
which is like making suicideseeds seeds that once you grow
them, they can't then haveoffspring, and those are given
to foreign countries.
They end up dependent onsomething that can go away.
If there's ever a supply chaindisruption, that one, I think,
is borderline, truly evil.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's not how to joke I reckon alternative
fertilizers.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm making better GMO bacteria to replace fertilizers
which are hugely wasteful anddetrimental to the environment.
I think that's not evil.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But going back to people not understanding the
processes behind science,there's a lot of people who read
the abstract and they read thatone sentence at the bottom that
gives a very vague conclusionthat's more clickbait than
anything else.
They don't understand theprocess of that science.
(09:19):
They don't understand themechanism behind it.
They don't look at thematerials or how they actually
did this study or anything likethat.
Do you have any advice forpeople in regards to looking at
these studies?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, I do.
I had a previous title for anarticle that was like plant
slaves of something, somethingbacteria.
The plants were essentiallyfarming the bacteria and I came
up with a silly headline.
I realized since then the sillyheadlines that we sometimes
like to use can divert fromwhat's actually happening.
The abstracts are great to beable to read.
(09:58):
That's a start, but it's betterif you start to understand the
methods.
Right after the abstractthere's going to be the
introduction that's going togive you the background on that.
It's not going to be supercomplicated.
I think that would go a long wayto helping, something I do when
I make my videos, especially ifI'm talking about a topic
(10:19):
that's outside of my field.
I'll contact the researchersdirectly and even send them my
video and say hey, do you thinkthis is a good description of
what's actually happening?
Do you have any commentary?
Do you think something'smissing?
I think for science presenterslike myself, it's important to
make sure that you're giving thebest picture of what's actually
going on for the average person.
Yeah, you just got to read.
(10:40):
Keep reading and it'll start tomake more sense, and maybe talk
to people who actually know thefield and ask them if you have
a good idea of what it's reallysaying.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I like that Reach out to the actual researchers.
A lot of people don't realizethat these people love
discussing science.
They absolutely love it, and ifyou want access to an article
or a study that you don't havethe subscription to the journal
for, or whatever, you can emailthe people that were involved.
(11:11):
Most of the time they willhappily send you the entire
study, because they don't makeany money off the journals.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There is a slightly controversial website that I'm
not going to say I do or don'tuse SciHub F-T-I-H-U-B.
If there is a copy of yourarticle anywhere on the internet
, they will find it and you canread it.
It's a lot easier than goingthrough university libraries and
requesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
For legal reasons, I have to tell you that this
podcast does not endorse youusing SciHub, because you
certainly wouldn't want free,unlimited access to all
scientific stuff.
We wouldn't want you to havethat wink.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Scientific stuff, that's another point of
contention for me.
I think that if research isfunded by public dollars, it
should be public, like everyoneshould be able to read it.
It's just another barrier thatmakes science inaccessible and
makes people decide thathandwashing doesn't work, or
vaccines don't work, or masksdon't work.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I think that's great, but I think also almost no
one's going to contact theresearchers and look up.
Why don't you give people andthis guy can help them up
hierarchy?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
of evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Give them that, because that's really just where
you need to start.
I think that's where you cansee a lot of these fun people on
the internet trying to convinceyou of something with some
interesting research.
I'm basically playing Mad Libswith descriptions here, so you
can move a little bit on that.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Hop over to Google Scholar, type in your topic, see
what comes up.
Look for stuff that's beenposted in high-quality journals
like Cell Science is a great one.
They post all sorts of fields,but one journal article in a
journal that's privately ownedout of China.
That has 70 papers probably notthe best one to go to.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But also I'm talking about what's the best form of
evidence.
You got your case studies.
I'm certainly like, is thatcase studies at the bottom, and
then you got your animal studies.
Are you telling me?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Paul's animal studies aren't the best source of
information.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah.
So you got your case studies atthe bottom, then you got your
animal studies and then, as youkind of go up, then you got your
kind of traditional studies andat the very top you got your
meta-analyses.
So meta-analyses are basedstudies of studies.
They take a bunch of studiestogether and they look for
themes.
Now and it drives me kind ofcrazy, just when you cite a
(13:48):
meta-analyses and someone comesback at you with, oh but what
about this rat study?
So you're like, well one youknow what's even a better tool.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Look for reviews.
These are articles that go overall of the current research in
the field and they will talkabout.
Well, there is this weirdoutlier.
We don't understand it.
This is why it's not importantmy own articles.
I can't tell you how many timesI have to write, at least under
these conditions, under thistimeframe, like I don't know if
it's going to hold true forevery single soil type condition
(14:20):
place like those are importantwords to kind of tune into, like
just because one person foundthis really wacky result doesn't
mean that it's going to holdtrue everywhere.
So it's best to pop over toreview article and check out a
lot of the research in the field.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But man, that wacky one wacky review will give you
like a ton of headlines.
I still remember the fartscuring cancer.
That was the greatest thing.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
There was a bunch of.
There was a ton of shit goingaround like all the media
outlets brought it up.
It was farts cure cancer.
They didn't know that because,basically, yeah, there were some
scientists studying some gasesand their relationship to cancer
and some of those gases were infarts and somehow, through a
game of telephone, that goteventually transformed into
(15:11):
smelling.
The farts can prevent or curecancer.
And so much so that other mediaoutlets had to put out
statements.
They put out articles go, fartsdon't cure cancer.
There was multiple of those.
And still to this day, thepeople who ran the original
study get calls from morningshows like beefcake and hot wing
in the morning or wherever thefuck their names are.
(15:33):
Like, hey, can you talk abouthow farts cure cancer?
And they're like we've goneover this a thousand times they
don't, but it doesn't matter.
As soon as that lead, thatbreakthrough, have that leak
happens, it's over, it's.
It's it's because we just loveit.
We love that fucking headlinethat says some crazy shit so
much we really do Did you?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
guys see the headline that said that scientists
discover city light 70 millionyears or light years away.
And that was not what happened.
It's just the satellitetelescope that could potentially
see artificial light that faraway.
And now everyone sending memessages like, did you hear they
found artificial light inanother galaxy, it's like, no,
that's not what happened.
Please stop saying it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
That's great too.
Please the headlines yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
A more sinister example of that is bitter
almonds.
I've been seeing that goingaround as a cure for cancer.
So bitter almonds have somewhatsimilar activity to
chemotherapy.
It's not specific and it ispoisonous.
It has arsenic in them.
They're the pits from the pitsfrom things like peaches, stone
fruit.
They look like almonds.
They're chock full of arsenic.
(16:40):
They are poisonous.
So I had a family friend who isgoing through cancer treatment
and it is terminal so theydidn't want to do chemo because
he has tumors everywhere.
And he said well, yeah, hebought like a two pound bag of
bitter almonds.
He's going to try.
Like please don't, you couldend up killing yourself that way
and there's better treatmentsout there than eating arsenic.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
When has there ever been a single treatment better
than eating arsenic?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
That sounds a little fishy to me.
Yeah, these things aredangerous.
People die because they hearsomething stupid on the internet
.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, the alternative, then, cancer is like.
I think cancer treatments isone of the biggest ones of them,
you know, like the alkalinediet or whatever it is Living
water.
It stops feeding cancer.
I mean, there's a million andone things out there.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Just make up something that cures cancer and
sell us a yeah if you want to go, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I actually have a great suggestion for people who
have diseases that are noteasily cured by conventional
methods Check out clinicaltrials.
There is always a lot ofclinical trials going on in
every country in the world.
You can sort by your disease Ithink there's like clinical
trialscom and then you canactually reach out to them and
find out if there's a place orif there's a wait list.
(17:59):
I have a shattered l4, but I amtoo young to get stem cell
treatment, but I am on a waitlist for a clinical trial that
is trying to repair these breakswith stem cells.
I have to be 34, though.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And if you're in Canada, check out be the cureca.
That will give you a list ofall the clinical trials going on
.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Man, I want to be in some clinical trials now.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, one of the things that I have been able to
do for good with my TikTok is Iget people reaching out to me
who have obscure diseases, andI've actually managed to link
people up to clinical trials atMayo Clinic Nice.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's pretty fucking neat.
I want to be in, I want to try.
I want to try something.
It sounds so cool and I don'twant the disease part, though
that part doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You just want to be in the trial.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I just want to be in the trial for the disease aspect
.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I will plug another creator, megan.
She runs the page for Rafiki'srescue but she takes cats that
have obscure diseases.
She had a cat with felinesarcoidosis and I managed to get
her ahold of UC Davis who waswilling to treat that cat.
Unfortunately the cat perishedof the disease first and only
(19:12):
case of sarcoidosis in a cat.
But having that relationshipmeans that if another cat comes
up with a really weird problem,then she already has contact
with them.
It is helpful.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Social media can be something for good.
It doesn't have to be for evil.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But the rest of the time it's for evil.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And yeah, that just goes back to the we love the
outlandish crazy headlines.
Man, if you're like an expertin your field, I'm telling you,
just forget the science aspect.
That's dumb.
Science can be manipulated.
Anybody inside they know.
If you, just if you changeenough values, if you skew the
numbers enough, you can make itsay pretty much whatever you
(19:53):
want to say.
I mean, look at the wholevaccines and autism thing,
forget about it.
So if you it just just switchand you'll make so much money
you'll be completely evil andeveryone will hate you, but
you'll be rich, so you know youguys want to hear about some
cool research that came out ofmy lab about autism and gut
microbiome.
Interesting.
(20:13):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
There is no link.
Apparently, kids who haveautism tend to eat limited diets
and that changes their gutmicrobiome.
It is.
Makes sense Correlation, not acausation.
They actually took voles, whichare social creatures, and gave
them different diets with someof the microbes they found in
autistic children's guts.
It made no differencewhatsoever and when they
(20:37):
actually looked at theliterature it clicked that like,
okay, these kids are eatingreally weird diets because they
have sensory issues.
But that still ends up in themedia and people are saying like
feed your kid a raw diet tocure their autism or do at worst
things like enema and switches.
Really upsetting to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, what is up with the enema things?
Why are we Okay guys?
Why are we obsessed withshoving things up our butt?
That doesn't go there.
Like I mean, if you go back tolike Kellogg I think a lot of
people have heard of Kellogg andlike his whole like bland diet
to stop kids from masturbatingIf you haven't heard that you're
, the rest of your day will bejust that.
Go look it up.
And like he believed in yogurtenemas.
(21:20):
Daily yogurt enemas is what hedid.
Now he also lived at like 94.
So I'm just saying, like youknow, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But a great way to give yourself something like
candy-o-sist in your intestines.
I don't recommend that.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And is it just because, okay, we think like
poop bad, we get rid of the poopwith is the poop is the stuff
we're getting rid of.
So if we flush that out likefaster or better things will be
better, Like I.
What is it about?
The enema makes people.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well, it's not even just the enema Like.
There's also the people thatare selling the detoxes and
stuff that just make you shityour brains out.
Apparently, we just thinkpooping is the answer to
everything.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
You'll actually gain weight If you do that
temporarily.
Your body will try to hold onto more water, so you'll end up
with extra water weight for acouple days.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
You know what I think it is.
Okay, I have a theory andpeople back me up here, don't
back me up on here.
So, like back in the day, likeI love, like the, I love history
and I love medicine, so I lovethe history, medicine is great.
And so, basically, when, likedoctors, and when they're old
time, they come along to yourhouse with a little old timey
doctor bag, right, okay.
And they're like, oh, my, mychild or my husband is sick from
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this thing, and he looks at himand he's like, well, fuck, I
don't know what the hell this is, but like he needs to charge
them, right.
Like you need to make money asa doctor, of course, right.
So what do you do?
Do you just tell them like, hey, there's nothing I can do.
Can you pay me please?
No, that's not going to work.
You're not going to make shitdoing that you got some leeches
on that kid?
Yeah, Leeches, definitely anoption, for sure.
But like, yeah, those are alive, you got to carry them around.
(22:53):
So you just take little.
You know a medics that justmake people throw up or poop or
both, you know whichever.
As long as it comes out and end, it doesn't matter, and so I
think that's just.
It's the idea that we're justlike flushing things out.
I think it's the idea thatthere's bad visually seeing
something expelled from yourbody or seeing something.
That's the thing.
(23:13):
What people want is to seesomething happen.
So as long as if there's stuffcoming out of your nose, mouth,
anus, it doesn't matter.
As long as things are leavingyour body, people can say, hey,
that's the bad stuff.
You know, I'm, I'm, things areclicking.
Guys, I'm on a roll here.
So then there's like the peoplewho do like the parasite
cleanses and they're like lookat my poop, there's all these
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parasites.
It's like no, that's just bitsof your intestines because
you've been taken like I don'tknow, it's a whole bunch of shit
you shouldn't be.
And so it just looks like wormsand so we need to see that we
were, we're dumb, ape people.
Basically is what I'm sayingand we need to see little.
We need to be able to seethings in order to say, yes,
that works.
If you take something, youdon't see anything.
That it doesn't work.
That's my theory.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
When I hear something funny on that one.
I had tapeworms in November andI had to take a anti-helmetic
like I've remectant.
I immediately got COVID afterthat, like within two weeks,
Didn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So you're saying that horse medicine isn't going to
be the cure for COVID?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Nope, it is likely not.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Dun, dun dun.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Although my veterinarian did turn me on to
one animal medication that Iwill say works, and that is a
ringworm spray.
It works really, really well onathletes, but Really.
Yeah, so actually I have a funnystory about that.
When my partner was deployed,he gets he has chronic athlete's
foot because I think he needsto work better on keeping his
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feet clean.
But I sent him the horseringworm spray and it became
really popular on base.
So he handed it out to peopleand said if you share this with
anyone you have to say it's dogmedicine.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That's.
That's awesome.
Sometimes cigarettes go around.
Sometimes you know playingcards.
Sometimes it's athlete footspray.
That's for a dog like you never.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I feel like I need to go take a visit to my vet and
keep some of that on hand forgoing out hiking.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You can buy it on Amazon.
I'll link you to it.
It works really well After like10 years.
We have finally cured mypartner's athletes, but because
it was just not going away.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That is really good.
I think after a good day ofhiking.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't recommend people listening take any
medication made for animals,like when you do the dosages you
have to calculate, like themolecular weight of the
substance and your body to tryand convert it.
And we don't have the samelevers or kidneys or like just
don't take animal medication,please.
The spray is okay, it's notgoing in you.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It's.
It's terrible we have to put adisclaimer like that you know,
that's one thing, though is when, looking at studies in rats,
people forget that there's thatconversion you have to make If
it's if something.
The dose of something is 300milligrams per kilogram in a rat
.
It is not 300 milligrams perkilogram in a human.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Or if you just dump some shit on a Petri dish,
that's a little bit differentthan your body.
So basically what we're sayingis don't listen to headlines
only and don't take animalmedication in moderation.
See you guys later.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know what does cure or kills cancer cells
Firearms.
It works too.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh, that got dark.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, oh.
I'm just saying like whenpeople are thinking like, oh,
better almonds cure cancer, likea lot of stuff kills cells, it
doesn't mean you should try anduse them.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, a lot of people definitely like.
They get desperate looking fora cure for cancer and they fall
prey to the scams and stuff ofalternative medicine and they
would have done so much betterjust taking whatever treatment
is appropriate according toscience.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm okay with adults doing that, but people have
killed their children trying togive them alternative
medications rather than actualmedicine.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yes, they have.
It's kind of frightening.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
But when something doesn't have a cure, people get
desperate, like and desperationis really, I think, the key here
, because I mean when, whenyou're in that situation, you'll
try anything.
And if somebody online sayslike this worked for me and you
know, and like I'd love to justgo back and say, like the
hierarchy of evidence, like yes,you might have this meta
analysis with all these studiesand tons of people and all this,
(27:34):
that is nothing compared to.
I cured my neighbor, my child,my friend, myself with this.
The anecdotes are so powerful toyour average person, like to
your person, who's actually?
Who's actually like?
Who's looked at scientificliterature and like does this on
a daily basis, whatever?
(27:55):
It's like, yeah, no, that'snothing.
But to your average person, afucking anecdote, is the world
Like wait, hold on, you're cured.
Who with what?
That's what I'm suffering from.
It's, it's so powerful, it's sounbelievably powerful.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I was going to just say there's one other problem
with animal models, becauseanimals are different than us.
So when you hear that somethingcured something in rats, it's
not a direct comparison andthat's why we have to go through
animals like macaques orchimpanzees before we get to us,
because we don't know if thesame effect is going to be seen
in humans.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, what was it?
Smeglotide, I think, was theone that people got worried
about it causing throat cancerin rats, but it was binding to a
receptor in rats that humansliterally do not have.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I'm also really concerned about people taking
diabetes medication to loseweight for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, interesting.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, so, first and foremost, this is a medication
that people need to treatdiabetes and the popularity has
resulted in shortages wherepeople can't get diabetes
medication.
We also don't know the longterm consequences.
I mean, when you have diabetes,you're going to probably try to
avoid other things like highblood sugar, which can damage
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your body and make you go blind.
So in an average person, whatis it going to do to them 10
years down the road?
They weren't trying to avoidsomething terrible.
They're just giving themselvesthe substance that they don't
need.
It also doesn't change theirbehavior.
They're going to gain weightlater.
There's also one issuegastroparesis which I have
because I took Cyprus foreign.
(29:31):
I'm not saying don't take yourantibiotics, but I have a
contradiction that the doctordidn't notice.
It gave me gastroparesis, whichmeans my guts move too slow.
It's not fixable.
We don't know how to cure it.
I have to live with that.
I've gotten a little bit betterover the years, but I cannot
imagine taking a medication thatcould cause that to lose weight
(29:52):
and then having to live with itforever.
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
A lot of people don't take notice of what the side
effects of their choices couldpossibly be.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But weight loss, again, is one of those things
that a lot of people have beensaying, things that a lot of
people have been searching forfor a long time, and they've
struggled and they've lostweight and gained weight.
So, again, if you findsomething that actually works,
you say, oh, side effects, fuckit, it's working.
So I understand, I get wherethey're coming from.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Right it's definitely important to point that out
that just because somebody saidsomething worked for them, or
just because something like aweight loss thing is a side
effect of a drug, doesn't meanthat you should go out and take
it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, Kind of like when people decide to take
Adderall to lose weight.
They end up addicted to it andit doesn't help once they stop
taking it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, the best thing you can do for losing weight is
just developing better habits inyour life.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because you
point out a lot of really badadvice on social media.
Do you have any thoughts onthat, like the consequences of
people saying oh just, you needto go on a raw diet or a meat
diet, which either way can causekidney failure?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, they're reinforcing these habits that
people are forming that are,first of all, they're
unnecessary, because we knowthat, like, a little bit of
sugar is just fuel for your body, it's not going to harm you.
(31:27):
A little bit of fat just helpsyour body absorb fat-soluble
vitamins, it's not going to harmyou.
It's always these extremes thatare the bad things.
Usually, what happens withthose various advices like going
carnivore, going keto, all thatthey usually are advising
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people to go extreme in one wayor another.
They're developing these habitsthat could be damaging to them
in the long run, or they'retrying to force their life into
a style of living that theycan't sustain in the first place
.
They can't actually form habitsaround it.
(32:10):
They're not enjoying it.
They're going to give it up andthen they're just going to go
back to the way they were eatingin the first place.
Thank you.
Which is the way they got theweight on or the way they got
unhealthy to start with?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I've watched my dad be on a diet for like literally
the last 30 years and just gainsit all back every time I
managed to improve my diet.
I have maintained the exactsame weight for just about 10
years now and I'm still watchinghim yoyo Like have the doughnut
.
Just try to maintain it overtime so you're not overeating
(32:46):
every day, but the allure oflosing 10 pounds in a week is
just still there.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Listen, let me break it down for everybody.
Listen, I'm going to tell youhow it works.
This is how it works.
Okay, right, so there's aperson.
We're going to call him Philand Phil has I'm Phil.
Phil.
His name is Phil, I've alreadydecided.
All right.
So there's Phil, and Phil haslost a bunch of weight doing a
diet.
We're going to use keto becauseI hate it.
And so Phil lost a bunch ofweight doing keto.
(33:13):
Now he tells his friend, georgeGeorge, you got to try this.
Holy shit, like I lost so muchweight.
George tries it, he loses abunch of weight.
Now he gets online, he startstelling people about this diet.
He's starting to like, hey,keto is the way to go and here's
where it really happens.
Okay, then you start gettingclients, you start selling
supplements, you start whatever.
(33:35):
You start making money in someway off the keto diet.
And now your whole personalityand your whole media, social
media presence has tied to keto.
So now you have this massiveconfirmation bias where
everything it has to be keto.
If it's not keto, then you arewrong, then you don't make money
.
So now it doesn't matter.
(33:57):
It truly does not matter whatevidence people show you.
If it doesn't work for someoneelse, it doesn't matter, because
everything around you isrevolved around this one diet.
So if somebody didn't did ketoand it didn't work out for them,
they just did it wrong.
That's just on them, becausethey didn't do the diet right.
(34:19):
They didn't do whatever specialrules you fucking came up with,
phil came up with.
So now and you can see thisthrough literally anybody you
look at like someone like PaulSaladino, carnivore MD, like
it's all about this animal-baseddiet, so everything all his.
If you point out researchshowing like, hey, a lot of what
you're saying is not founded inthe literature, it doesn't
(34:44):
matter, because his wholepresence has become animal-based
, and here's my supplements andhere's every other way I make
money off it.
So you have to just keeppounding away at whatever the
fuck you came up with in thefirst place.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, the confirmation bias is real.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I want to tell people about the Carnivore diet and
the only way you can make itwork.
So I will take my cat for anexample.
My cat is an obligate carnivore.
I have to supplement her dietwith plants because normally she
would be getting that plantmaterial from the guts of her
prey.
So if you really want to make aCarnivore diet work, you have
to eat it raw, because cookingcan destroy a lot of the
nutrients, including vitamin C,and you have to eat their guts
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because that's where you'regoing to get plant matter.
Might be a lot safer to justcook your meat and eat
vegetables.
I love that.
That sounds dumb.
That sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I give you one thing, I want one thing.
So you just said I have to eatraw meat.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Boom, you have to eat the entire animal.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Okay, so I have to eat a whole thing You're going
to eat the pancreas and it'spart of his liver.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Don't eat a lot of liver because it has toxins and
a ton of vitamin A in it.
You got to eat the lungs, yougot to eat the brain and hope
that you don't get a priondisease.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, what do you think?
Lungs taste like?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I've had haggis, but I've had haggis.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh, haggis is a good one, but haggis is just like
everything.
They're kind of just like blendthe whole animal up and just
like throw it in there, right.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, you can't actually eat lungs in the United
States because they don'tconsider it suitable for human
consumption.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Interesting.
So then we just have tospeculate.
I think it tastes airy, I thinkit tastes like a little spongy
and like it's light, like anangel food cake.
I think that's what lungs tastelike, minus being so sweet and
tasting like cake.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I know that I've had pancreas, but actually does kind
of taste sweet and spongy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, so I think it's kind of like lungs.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, there we go.
What?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
do you think of appendix?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Pancreas is sweet huh the what tastes like Appendix.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
What do you think an appendix tastes like?
It's kind of small, right, sois it just something you kind of
pop in there with one go, or doyou have, to like, cut it?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Probably taste the same as tripe, because it's just
like another little hole inyour intestine, because yeah, it
doesn't have like collect stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We don't really use our appendix anymore, but like
that theory, was it used to likecollect some of the whatever
fucking stuff you ate and thenyou did things with it?
I don't know.
Appendix is yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I can tell you humans are a very strange animal.
So in most animals, likecarnivores, they have a
functional appendix because thatcollects bacteria.
So when you poop you don't loseall of your bacteria, it just
kind of holds onto it so you candigest stuff.
So humans have the part of thegut of a carnivore.
Our stomachs are very, veryacidic, but the rest of our guts
(37:29):
just aren't adapted for a meatdiet.
If you try to eat just meatyou'll end up constipated and
get diverticulated.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So do you think it tastes good?
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, I like tripe, I like bargain meats.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Okay, what about?
Like a stomach, is that?
Like kind of like a lemon or alime, like is it acidic?
Is it like, because you know,stomachs are acidic, lemon
acidic.
I feel like those two thingsare the same.
Probably just a tripe.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
You're not eating the stomach acid.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh right, I guess you probably don't eat the stomach
acid.
You gotta drain it first.
But like what if?
You just kind of cook the wholething whole and then you just
eat it Like I'm just sayinglisten, these are the questions
we need to ask, that's.
You know, I everybody's tooafraid to ask these questions.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Fun fact our guts are capable of eating rotting meat,
but because we have such asterile diet in life, we can't
eat it.
If you grew up in a countrywhere they didn't have
refrigeration and you had to eata lot of rotting meat, you
wouldn't die because your bodyhas gotten used to those
microbes.
When people die a horriblediarrhea, death it's dehydration
that gets them because yourbody is reacting to something
(38:38):
it's never seen before.
It's a little bit like anallergic reaction.
So you're saying Traveller'sdiarrhea.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, so what you're saying is we've gotten soft, is
basically what you're sayingAmerica has gone soft and we
need to go back to our eatingrotten meat ways.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Please don't feed your children rotten meat.
I don't feel like that needs tobe said, but yeah, don't do
that?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
No, that definitely needs to be said.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
With the videos we make and go over.
It does need to be said thatyou shouldn't eat rotten meat.
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Actually no, morticia .
After we were done with ourepisode with her, we started
talking about the fads goingaround of people eating rotten
meat.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I don't know if you remember that that was a thing
People did this.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's a thing People will like.
They set meat aside for like ayear and then they will eat it.
What doesn't kill you, makesyou stronger right?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Isn't that the old saying?
No, actually, no, it just makesyou really weak until you
eventually.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
What doesn't kill you leaves you in a hospital bed,
in a coma.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
What doesn't kill you makes me fucking miserable and
wish you didn't do the thingthat you did.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, that's actually kind of an interesting topic.
Since we started storing food,we have a host of new diseases
that we wouldn't haveexperienced before, like
botulism.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That's true.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Hey look, I figured out a wayto preserve food.
Well, fuck, now we got moreproblems.
Well, we got other problems.
They're just different problems.
They're always just differentproblems.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's kind of the motto of humanity, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Right, you solve looking that, and now you got to
work on more shit.
Yep, what do you think a nosetastes like?
See, I feel like it's realcartilagey, you know.
So it's like real hard, likepigs.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Now, Are you with the grit cannibal?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm starting to feel like that.
No, I'm sorry I didn't hearwhat you said there, I just got
to keep talking.
Um.
So like I think, like ears andnose like probably be pretty
similar, right, like it's justlike that cartilage, I feel like
that's something.
I feel like a nose is a slowroast situation, like a slow
cooker you know what I'm saying.
Like it would have to, you'dhave to break down, break it
down for a long time, right, andmaybe add some of the stomach
(40:59):
acid or whatever, just to likekind of soften it a little.
No, am I?
I'm alone.
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You've gone from eating grass to eating noses.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
We say eat a wide variety of foods, Rob, I've, and
you and you get mad at me forsticking to that.
That's no, that's cool, Likewhatever you know, I just try to
do what we say.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I uh.
Fair point, that's a fair point.
Fair play to you, liam.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Say eat variety, and then get all mad at me.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I'm going to brain dump all that.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's going to be most people after this episode,
I think.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Give us a fun like fact thing that you found in
like I don't know throughoutyour work that, but you tell
people and they're like what?
That's crazy, I didn't knowthat was a thing, and you're
like it's totally a thing.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, so you know that thing where we have
chloroplasts and plants andmitochondria in both and they
were likely their own organismat some point my model organism
is an intermediate.
It's on its way to becoming aplant organ.
I work with Rhizobia, which arenitrogen fixing bacteria, and
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for some of them they go insideof the plant and then they
become plant organoids.
Like they're never able toresume free living life.
Some of them do escape, butit's really easy to see how they
could just not escape at somepoint and stay inside the plant
cells.
So when people talk abouttransitions and evolution, they
don't realize that everything isstill in the process of
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transitioning.
Good point it's so cool whenyou find an intermediate that
can show this is how this thinglikely happened.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So how long do you think it's going to take?
Like a couple months a year,maybe another a few years, like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I don't know, but I bet I could engineer them to
stay inside of the plant andjust be a GMO plant with the
plant organoid bacteria.
I've heard GMOs are bad though.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I've heard those things are the reason that we're
fat.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Why aren't people afraid of GMOs Like?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
because it's no, no, no, no, I listen, I know this, I
know.
This is why it's GMOs.
People don't like GMOs becauseit's scary science.
We're in the stage of gettingback to nature, guys.
Okay.
So everything natural is good,and the more artificial it is,
the worse it is.
Let me look at vaccines.
Look at anything with likescience-y stuff.
(43:22):
Science-y stuff is bad.
Now, okay, and it doesn'tmatter if you can show hey,
here's all this research, it'stotally fine, it's safe.
Millions of lives no, that'sfucking dog shit.
That doesn't matter.
We are at the stage where wehave to just start eating.
Everything immediately comesfrom the ground.
Fuck cleaning it off, justshove that shit in your mouth.
That's the stage we're at rightnow.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
You know, at least with genetic engineering it's
targeted.
We know what we're putting inwhen we take mutations like, hey
, this broccoli is just reallyresistant to fungus.
We don't know if that's goingto be a compound that's going to
be toxic to us.
But I do have a really fun fact, and after World War II the
United States wanted to changethe view of nuclear bombs, so
they decided to implement abunch of science programs, one
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of which was tossing cadmium 60,a radioactive compound, into
fields and just letting theplants mutate, and that ended up
giving us most of the plants weeat today Like.
This one looks a little bitbetter.
We're just going to use thisone.
This one's bigger, this one hasmore fruit Like wheat barley.
Everything on our shelves camefrom the nuclear program, which
is just incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
That's awesome.
Just throw a bunch of shit atthe wall and see what sticks
basically.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, people actually started buying cadmium 60 and
growing them in their own yards,which I'm guessing was not a
good idea.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
We don't know that.
Yeah, probably not a good idea.
We'll let Liam test that out.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
What do you think a radiated meat tastes like?
What do you think aftersomething's been irradiated,
does it give it a slight tang,or like what's the deal I have?
Speaker 3 (44:48):
irradiated meat in my body.
I had a cartilage transplantfrom a cadaver and they
irradiated it, so all the cellswere gone and then just shoved
it in there.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, that's holy shit, that's smart actually.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, and I don't have to take like
immunosuppressants because allthe donor cells were gone, it
was just the cartilaginousstructure.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Sucks only works for cartilages is not like hearts,
because I feel like if you didthat to a heart it wouldn't work
.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Okay, that is a topic I would love to talk about,
because somebody decided to justthrow stuff at the wall and see
if it worked and ended upsetting back that research by
decades.
So if you know the story of DrDeath, there was an Italian
surgeon who decided to starttaking 3D printed tracheas,
doing no research.
She actually falsified hisresearch and said he did animal
(45:33):
models and started putting themin people's windpipes and I
think all of it one of themperished, ended up going to jail
for a while, kept his medicallicense, amazingly.
But that is the danger of takingsomething that sounds good and
just doing it.
There's a reason that we haveto do tests.
So I would caution peoplebecause eating this diet or this
substance sounds good, maybeactually look at what it really
(45:55):
does, but then you don't know ifit were like if you just throw
shit at the wall.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
it might stick, though, like it might work, or
you might kill a bunch of people.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, he lied about it and covered it up and just
kept performing the procedure.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Wait, was he in Italy or was he an Italian doctor in
America, or was he doing?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
this.
He was an Italian doctor inItaly, but he falsified his
research and ended up going toSweden, I think, and
establishing a lab and said, hey, this stuff works.
And they thought it did untilthey realized it didn't.
So he claimed that he wasseeding them with stem cells and
they grew and like ciliated,and in fact it was just a piece
of hunk of plastic.
So one thing that we are allworking on in the scientific
(46:34):
community not me personally istaking irradiated tissue like my
cartilage and growing stemcells on them to try to replace
the structures of things likeHearts.
Unfortunately, a lot of thatstuff lost funding after that
research came out on thetracheas and no one wanted to
touch it.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Understandable.
Is this the same guy thatBarbara O'Neill tells people to
go to to get baking sodainjected into their veins?
Speaker 2 (47:08):
They're things.
I don't want to know what thosethings are.
I was waiting for that lastword and I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Is that to inject baking soda?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
This podcast is just going to be us.
You remember the guy that saidinject the thing into the thing,
you go look it up.
Yeah, no, it was this, was thishappened?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, I think it was baking soda.
Trying to look it up superquick, rob's just a bunch of
like recipes on baking soda.
How much do?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
you need to use for this cake.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Can't find the guy's name.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I would caution a viewer who wants to inject
anything into anything.
Understand that your blood isliquid and if you're going to
put anything in there that's notliquid, it could kill you.
But, yeah, I can't find theguy's name.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
But she was, barbara O'Neill would talk about this
guy in Italy who they they weredoing the whole.
Cancer is a fungus and you cankill it with baking soda smart.
And so he would inject bakingsoda into his patients to kill
the cancer.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
They should arrest people for no, that's big
government getting in the way ofpeople curing cancer.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
What are you talking about?
That's?
That's the man trying to putthese people down who are trying
to help others.
That's the least one.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, go on.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Supposedly he was like on the run from the law
because he actually did killpeople doing this.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
obviously that's not, that doesn't come as a surprise
.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
But yeah, he, apparently he was like doing
this while trying to evade beingcaptured by the police.
I don't know if I don't know ifit's the same person, but it
sounds like it probably could be, because he was practicing in
Italy as well.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
I will look it up.
That is horrifying yeahinteresting.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Wow, I think we should leave people with don't
read headlines.
And what does an eyeball tastelike?
Because I mean is it you?
Speaker 3 (49:20):
just does it pop?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
is my question.
That's really all I want toknow.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I will say that if all the people were paying me
that people say are paying me Icould probably pay off my car
and my student loans.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, you and me both .
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, how do I go on a big farmers payroll?
And there you go.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
That's the fucking now.
That's the question.
That's the question right there.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I got asked questions I've never been asked before in
my life.
It was a good time.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
We spent half the podcast just wondering what
different body parts tasted like.
That was the question Liam did,anyway, but you said it at the
start, but you can say it againwhen can everybody find you?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, you can find me on tiktok or YouTube.
My username is bare baitofficial.
I am definitely the only thingthat pops up when you type that
into tiktok.
I'm still growing my YouTube,but I just like to explain
complicated science topics, andI have an interest in spooky
diseases.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You know, it's a fun fact People like going hiking
with me, taking me hiking ontrips with them because they
know if they ever stumble on abear, they all know that they
will be able to run away becauseI will be busy trying to hug it
.
I am the bear bait bear.
True story.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
That was a long way to go for joke.
That's all I'm going to say.
That was like you had to gothrough some dips and valleys in
order to get to that punch lineit's not a fucking joke, it's
the truth.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's a legitimate thing that people will say when
they want to go hiking with me.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
I have one other really hilarious story about
that.
My nickname is Bear bait.
I do a lot of hiking.
I encounter a lot of bears, oneof my ex-boyfriends.
We were hiking and it got to benighttime.
We were just trying to get backto the car.
We came across these twoglowing eyes and then another
pop of some other smallerglowing eyes popped up.
I shined my headlamp on it.
(51:25):
It was a mother bear.
I was just like all right,we're just going to back away,
we're going to leave her alone.
My ex-boyfriend is freaking out.
He turned tail to run.
In the process he stabbed methrough my foot, through my shoe
, with a trekking pole and thenpromptly tripped and fell on his
face.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Well, now we know why he's an ex.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, he fell on his face.
I'm concerned about somebody'sabilities, maybe character.
If that's your first reactionto danger, stab someone and run.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
All I can think is if that was filmed and then was
uploaded to like Instagram, itwould have 30 million views by
the next day.
That's all you would be rich.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Oh God, I wish, I wish that was filmed.
Bear had no interest.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
I just walked away calmly, thinking like Bear was
just laughing its ass off, likewhat am I thinking?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
In the moment I was hoping that the bear ate him
alive.
Oh yeah, he had the keys,though I would be hanging out at
the trailhead for a while, butin the moment I was just hoping
for that.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
So take away from this podcast, everybody.
Don't stab people in the feetwhen you're running from a bear
Good, or if you do.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Good night everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Don't trip and fall on yourface.
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