Laughing with Legumes: Debunking Vegan Myths and Mindful Eating with Natalie Fox

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You want to get started here, rob?
We're just going to turn thiswhole episode into you know,
movie talk and celebrities,it'll probably do better.
If we just talked aboutcelebrities this whole time,
this episode will probably dobetter.
Hey everybody, welcome to InModeration, where we're
redirecting from nutrition andfitness and it's all celebrities
now.
We're chasing it to no end.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We've gone from a subject I know about to
something I know absolutelynothing about.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I tell us all about the canadian.
Canadian celebrities.
Rob what's?
What are your favorite canadiancelebrities?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
my favorite canadian celebrity.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, um anything like oh shit you know what?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
david usher is one of the most underrated.
I'm sorry if I know we weretalking about movies, but
underrated musicians david usherdavid usher, not to be confused
with usher right, I know usher.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I know that I know him.
I don't know david usher.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I gotta be honest no idea well, he's brilliant
musician, okay, well, you shouldhave said the answer I was
looking for was ryan reynoldswas the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
is the the most, the best celebrity?
I got it wrong I wouldn't evenknow, I wouldn't have accepted
justin bieber, but that at leastwould have been well known.
I mean, come on, somebodymessaged me today and said I
realize who you sound like, ryanreynolds, and I was like that's
like the nicest compliment.
Thank you very much for forthat, I appreciate it.
Anyway, natalie, how are youdoing?
I'm good.
How are you?
Well, we have.

(01:28):
So.
We've heard all your questionsand your requests for more
carnivore-based content, so wedecided to bring on a strict
carnivore.
Natalie, what is your favoritecut of steak?
What would you say is like thebee's knees of steak cuts?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know, I just like to put all of it in a blender
and drink it through its raw.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's a rival.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's what our ancestors did.
They plug it into the treeoutlet and they blend that shit
up and they drink it like a realman alpha or something Exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Because, you know, we don't actually have like the
right teeth for it, but we'remade to eat meat.
So blenders evolutionary.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh, that's another good one.
Okay, we'll get into that in asecond.
We have canines.
We're supposed to eat, onlymeat Fucking wild man.
But anyway, okay, how aboutfine?
Fine, actually introduceyourself and tell us about.
You know who you are?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, so I'm Natalie Fox.
I'm a registered dietitian.
I have a lot of specialtiesthat I've picked up over the
years.
I feel like a lot of dietitianswho are in the social media
space are the same.
One of them is plant-basedeating, so I've personally been
vegan for almost 11 years.
However, I am not somebody whogoes around telling people they

(02:46):
should go vegan.
Uh, so I'm here if people areinterested to learn more about
it.
Uh, that's what I'm here for,but not necessarily the other.
It's really funny because Ithink that whenever I talk about
vegan stuff on my channel whichis not often um I get a bunch
of people being like, oh youknow, don't tell people what to
do, and and I was like where inthis video did I tell anybody to
go vegan?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I did not I think they're just used to that as
soon as you know they're used tothat sort of they are?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
they are, I'm like, sources of plant-based b12 and
they're like, don't tell peopleto go vegan.
And I was like I'm just tellingyou what plant-based where to
get yeah, you haven't paid meyet.
I'm not speaking of that.
Yeah, right exactly speaking ofthat?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah Right, exactly Speaking of that, I wanted to do
something.
I like to go to somethingcalled Google.
If you guys haven't checked itout, it's super cool.
You can type into things and itjust tells you stuff.
So I Googled barriers to beingvegan and this is the AI
response to that and I wouldlike to ask you some of these
questions, and then you can tellme Okay, let's see, nut these

(03:45):
questions.
And then you, and then you cantell me okay, uh, let's see, uh,
nutritional challenges, uh,nutrient deficiency.
A vegan can lack nutrients likeB12, iron, calcium, omega-3
fatty acids and protein, evenWow.
So what do we do about?
What do we do about that?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh man, I mean, I would say a lot of it depends on
people's diets, Like peopletreat vegan diets, like they're
this monolithic thing, like it'sall one thing.
And they usually, I think, getthat vibe from those influencers
who eat nothing but like fruitand salads, which is just not a
lot of people who are plantbased actually eat.
Some do.
They often aren't plant basedfor a long time if they're doing

(04:17):
that.
But in general, I think a lotof where the concern for
nutrition adequacy comes from istheory and it's not actually
evidence that there are higherdeficiency rates in most cases.
There are some exceptions tothat because they're like okay,
well, what nutrients are reallypredominant in animal products?
And you're taking that out.
So therefore there must be anutrient of concern and they're

(04:39):
not really realizing that.
Well, we eat other things, andmore of things than other people
don't eat.
So when you're actually lookingat data, there's not a lot of
evidence that plant-based peoplehave higher rates of anemia.
There's not.
I mean, some studies show alittle bit, but it's really not
that different in terms of thosekinds of risks.
But in general, I would saymost of those are not

(05:02):
necessarily a nutrient ofconcern across the board.
Among plant-based diets, b12 isabsolutely one, though.
So people who are plant-basedshould absolutely be taking a
B12 supplement or eating a lotof fortified foods.
I do recommend people who areplant-based to periodically get
B12 levels checked to make surethat their method of
supplementation is adequate forthem.
So that's one, my method ofsupplementation is adequate for

(05:26):
them, makes sense.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So that's one I like to think of.
Supplementation would be energydrinks.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, it's.
It looks impressive on a label.
I'll tell you this when you Imean when you're like new to the
gym and you like pull out anenergy drink and it's like B12,
80,000% of what you need, you'relike holy shit this is going

(05:53):
gonna be so much energy and it'sjust like every b or every b
vitamin.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, it looks impressive.
Yeah, absolutely, um, you know,iron can be, it just depends on
what your diet is.
Uh, a lot of them are that.
Again, omega-3 can be, it justdepends on what your diet is is.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Is it because, like when, okay, so you take someone
who's like an omnivore and theydecide like, okay, I've heard
being vegan is like thehealthiest thing I can do for,
or whatever, and so they decideto do that.
And so when they they go, theydo they switch to a plant-based
diet.
They basically just remove themeat and don't really change
anything else.
So they just eat more of likethese, this, the few things,

(06:22):
they things they were eatingbefore.
So it's not their diet Maybeisn't as well-rounded, like
they're not eating lentils andyou know all these other things
that have protein.
So I feel like, yeah, I wouldsay that's.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I would say that's true.
So, like um, I've I've done alot of different things in my
career, but I did work for aplant-based program for a while
and a lot of people were comingto it and they'd been trying it
and maybe failing it.
And I would say the number one,like struggle that people have
in this, like we'll say I had noenergy and they think it's
protein and yeah, they weren'teating enough protein, but

(06:53):
they're also just like noteating enough period, because
they're just taking, just justthey're not eating enough food
and I'm like they're trying tochase the protein and still not
eating enough food and still notfeeling great.
So then they think it's thequality of the protein when it's
just you know, you're having abig bowl of lettuce, putting a
little bit of tofu on thatlettuce is not.
It's still not going to beenough energy specifically, but

(07:16):
that's it.
They take the meat out and thenit's just like vegetables and
maybe rice and that's kind ofwhat it looks like or or oatmeal
, but they're having like apacket of oatmeal and it's just.
People are massively underconsuming and if you're not
eating enough, you're gonna feellike shit, and that's the thing
it's like.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
People say, like I want carnivore, I lost weight
with this.
You go like any, you know anyof these diet.
You just like.
You know you're left with thesethings.
You're like, okay, I just ateless.
Just ate less food.
You know?
And and I mean I think it haschanged a little bit with over
time like you know, 20 years ago, if you go vegan, your options
were a lot more limited than now, where you have a lot of the
vegan alternatives.

(07:55):
At least you have those as anoption, you know you get like I
love, you know, like the, thepastas, you know like the bonds
are like chickpea pasta andstuff like that.
I feel like it makes it atleast a little bit easier.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Totally.
Yeah, there's lots of.
There's lots of options.
There's also a lot of, I thinkand maybe this is just the
sphere that I run in but there'sa lot more creators who are
making recipes that are not like.
You know, here's how to turnyour pasta like make pasta out
of zucchini.
Your pasta like make pasta outof zucchini.

(08:26):
Uh, they're actually makinglike legit nourishing filling.
Like there's more dietitians inthe space.
Um, like plant-based RD is oneof my absolute favorite content
creators for plant-based recipesLike she's great yeah.
I'm not, I don't know.
I I'm not really a recipeperson, but like every time I
get in a food rut I'm like whatis she doing?
These, these?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
days I have one of her like tofu, like not not
scrambles, uh, like crispy tofuwhere you just like shred it up
and put it in the oven and bakeit.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I gotta try that I've been meaning to do that I
have a book around heresomewhere she does this like
breaded tofu, like cutlet thingwith like panko that, oh, it's
my favorite.
I love it there it is.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I knew I had the book somewhere.
I got it.
I know I'm trying to plug herbook because she's great.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I bought that with my own money.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
She doesn't even know I have it, but I'm trying to
get around things.
Anyway, I do want to talk aboutprotein a little bit, because
you and I did a little collab onplant-based protein sources.
But it's something I just getasked about.
So much a plant based proteinsources, but it's something I
just get asked about.
Like so much people like, hey,I'm trying to eat more protein
but I don't want it all to be,you know, tuna, fish or whatever
, right.

(09:33):
So, like you know, maybe justgo through some of the ones that
you really, like you think areeasy to are, you find are
easiest to get people toincorporate into their diet, or
like what people have successwith that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, beans are a classic.
There's so many ways to eatbeans.
A lot of people don't know whatto do with beans.
Yeah, I think that that's beenmy experience.
They're just like, okay, I'llput it out on a can and dump it
on whatever, and it doesn'tnecessarily strike.
So preseason beans are great Ifyou're not sure.
Getting a good spice blend thatyou like is great.
A lot of people forget thatcondiments exist.

(10:03):
Like you know, throw somebarbecue sauce on it.
You know, throw some srirachaon it, what, like what?
What would you normally seasonyour non plant based food with?
You can put that on beans andthat will taste really good.
So that's one that's theclassic.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I'm telling you, those bushes sidekicks, have you
ever seen go to like the bushesbeans?
They have these ones andthere's, you know, there's just
a bunch of different.
There's a few different flavors.
I like them all.
Yeah, the preseason one.
Just make it so much easier,cause I'm lazy.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Let's not make it nuts.
I think a lot of people not togo on a little tangent, but I
think a lot of people whenthey're trying to eat healthier,
they're like everything has tobe from scratch, including the
sauce, and I'm like oh.
You're making it hard.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's part of the wellness, though, is that you
have to make everything.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And it's gotta be.
I mean if you enjoy doing that.
If that's your hobby, likethat's my hobby, I like doing
that but that's not everybody'shobby.
Not everybody builds theircareer around food like I did.
So um yeah.
So beans are great.
Uh, you know, any kind of soyproduct is also great if you
don't obviously have a soyallergy.
So tofu, tempeh, edamame, allof those are great.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Tofu is super, yeah love those, the only bean I talk
about them all the time dryroasted edamame.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
The company contacted me yeah, dry roasted edamame.
It's a thing with Zach, it's sogood.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, the only bean contacted me.
They're like we're juststarting to work with
influencers.
I'm like you can talk with meall day like I'm.
I'm good, I love this stuff.
It's actually good.
They make pasta as well.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
The pasta on its own not as good, but like mixed in
with other pasta it's good, likeit's just an easy way to get
more protein and fiber.
I love it totally, totally.
Um, yeah, tofu.
I would say that like uh,cooking tofu if you're not
familiar with tofu and you justtry to eat out of the package
yeah, what do you do?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
what do you like?
What's an easy like way forpeople that actually is like
they might actually like tofu,like what do you think?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah.
So for me, the three ways well,I would say the two ways that I
make tofu the most is one Iwill just crumble it into
whatever I'm making, like intokind that comes in like the
shrink-wrapped container, notthe Tetra Pak, and I crumble it

(12:07):
up with my hands until it'slittle bits.
This is great because I don'thave to dirty a knife or a
cutting board to do that.
So it's like low effort and Ijust put it into whatever I'm
doing.
Like I'll put it into like misosoup and it incorporates so,
especially if the texture oftofu is like an issue, which I
think that's.
Another one of the things thatpeople don't like about tofu is
the texture.
You're not really going to getthe texture.
If you like the texture of youknow, grounds, of whatever

(12:30):
ground meat, or you like thetexture of egg or something like
that, that's kind of whatthere's going to be like, so
that's, that's an easy way, andthen you don't have to worry
about flavoring, it's just goingto be, it's going to taste like
whatever you're eating.
So that's a good one.
The other way I like to do itand you actually, liam, did a
video on doing this recipe andthat's where I got the idea.
I was like, oh, that looks good, I need to try it now.

(12:51):
It's like the only way I maketofu.
It was, I think, a Fit GreenMind recipe, where she put it in
cornstarch and then she panfried it and then she put it in
a hot pan and then did the sauce.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, that was one of my favorite like recipe reviews
.
I did like and what was reallynice about it is you just tear
it, because normally you likechop it up into cubes.
But I find tearing it it givesit more surface area.
I'm not a mathologist, but likeI think the surface area
increases and like it justcontacts the pan more and like
it gives you more of a crunch,which I think a lot of people
were missing with tofu, which iskind of this like blob.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
They're like yeah, I don't like it well and I think
that the sauce kind of likepenetrates and gets you get more
sauce in it.
It collects the sauce better,because I've tried to do similar
stuff with cubed tofu and itjust straight up doesn't work as
well.
Um, now, I don't like standingover a pan and babysitting stuff
, so I don't usually pan fry it.
I put it on parchment paper inthe oven so that I can forget

(13:45):
about it and make the otherparts of the meal, and I do it
that way and then, like onceit's already like all cooked,
then I put it in like a dry pan.
Uh, and I do it that way whatare your like what it sauces?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
what are, what are the the necessary things for a
sauce for you, like when itcomes to tofu, because I think
that's like the most for me,that's like the most important
thing when it comes to tofu,because, again, it's just like
bland.
To me it's bland, I don'treally taste much, so it needs,
like some sauce.
What do you put in your sauces?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah.
So my absolute favorite go-tosauce and I'll say I do make
this myself, but you couldtotally buy, like a store-bought
, like teriyaki kind of sauce,and this is true across the
board it needs to have somethingthat's salty, it needs to have
something that's sweet and itneeds to have something that's
sour in order to be a good sauce.
So a lot of times, like my basesauce is if it's more of like

(14:33):
an asian style something it'slike soy sauce, rice vinegar, a
little bit of maple syrup, andthen I add hot sauce, uh, you
know, and I might add some likeveggie broth to thin it out.
If it's too, I want to extendit, or I might squeeze orange
juice in it, I might change itup, but that's the base.
It's just soy sauce.
Oh, and sesame oil, becausesesame oil makes everything
taste better.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I was going to say it needs an oil.
So the sesame oil is reallygood.
I really like the chili crispthat comes in the oil.
I like spice.
So if you don't like spice,don't do that, but if you're if
you're a heat person, get thelike chili crisp or like I don't
know.
I did that like MatthewMcConaughey, where he's like
jalapeno crisp and now I've gotlike six jars of fucking
jalapeno crisp sitting aroundhere somewhere that I'm like I

(15:14):
got to use this so like you know, something crispy and it's and
it's spicy and it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
So that's kind of like how I think about
everything in this, what thatwill transition over to like
non-asian based sauces as well.
So if I'm thinking about I'mgoing to make a vinaigrette, um,
so yeah, I would say that thereshould be a fat in there as
well.
So I put that in there.
But flavor wise, it's the sour,sweet and salty so then, if I'm
making like a, vinaigrette.
It'll be uh like either balsamicvinegar or apple cider vinegar
you know a different type ofvinegar and then something sweet
, so that could be juice, thatcould be again.

(15:49):
Maple syrup is my personalsweetener of choice.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I live in maine and we're just maple syrup, yeah,
right, right it's good I meanmaple syrup like real maple
syrup is like it's that shit'sgood, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I have some in my fridge right now that my
friend tapped and like made, soit's like just chef's kiss, so
good.
So you know and then maybe I'lldo tahini in there for the fat,
or you can use olive oil, or Ilove to use the oil that comes
in like marinated artichokehearts for dressings, because it
adds so much flavor, so thatcould be a good one.

(16:20):
And then you know salt ormustard or something like that,
that.
So it's like I'm just alwaysthinking what's sour, what's
salty, what's sweet in a sauce,I think adding the fat is
definitely key.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like it really just helps out the flavor a lot.
I see a lot of you it's toughlike, okay, fats, nine calories
per gram right, they're, totallyI get it.
They're more calorie dense.
And when you're trying to loseweight you know people trying to
eat healthier often they arealso trying to lose weight not
always, but a lot of times theyare.
So they reduce the fats reallylow and then you end up with
these sauces that just tastelike shit.
Have you ever had, like skinnygirl fucking dressing where it's

(16:52):
just like xanthan gum and likeyou know, all these different
emulsifiers?
Like I'm not.
They're totally fine, whatever.
Like I'm not saying you'retrying to eat, but it it doesn't
taste.
It tastes fucking sad, likeemptiness.
It tastes like emptiness,that's the best way I can
describe it.
Fat really gives it.
You don't have to go over thetop but, like Jesus, add a

(17:13):
little bit of the sesame oil,like the oil from other things,
whatever.
Just something.
Add some of that.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
I mean my philosophy with thatis, you know, because, again,
calorie density is a thing is myphilosophy with oil, because,
again, calorie density is athing is my philosophy with oil.
Because I would say that Iprobably cook with less oil than
a lot of people do, and it'snot for like a health scare,
like well, it's bad.
It's not for that reason, but,like the way I think about it is
, is the oil adding pleasure andvital to the flavor and the

(17:37):
texture of what I'm making?
Because there are times whereit is and there's times where it
isn't.
So like, if I'm making a soup,for example, and I'm sauteing
veggies in the bottom of my soupand then I'm going to drown
that in broth and I'm going toadd a bunch of other stuff, like
I'm not going to know whetheror not the oils there, I mean

(17:58):
it's negligible anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
But for me it's like that's not adding it.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
If it's a dressing, though, like if I'm thinking
about, and this kind of goesback to like my viewpoint on
moderation, because I think thata lot of people, um, they're
still viewing the idea ofmoderation from an inherently
restrictive framework where it'slike, like I'm always getting
that question of but how much istoo much, but how much is too
much, but how much is too much.

(18:22):
How much can I get away with?
I want to.
How much is too much?
But how much is too much?
But how much is too much?
How much can I get away with?
I want to.
I want a number on where I needto stop and that's still
controlling it from like an areaof restriction.
And I think a lot of peoplecause when we're talking about
plant-based nutrition.
But right now, like, if you goto my page, most of what I talk
about is binge eating and ADHD.
That's where I spend a lot ofmy time now, not plant-based

(18:43):
stuff.
Um, I think it's just you got tothink about everything that you
do as being a dance.
How can I feel as good as I canwithout feeling deprived?
And that line is going to bedifferent for every single
person.
Um, you know, and it's like itshouldn't be about.
At what point do I need tostart controlling?
It should be.

(19:04):
Shouldn't be about.
At what point do I need tostart controlling?
It should be.
Oh, okay, how am I feeling?
Because you can control tillthe cows come home and end up
with a quote unquote perfectdiet.
But if you're miserable andyou're having all these
compensatory reactions whereyou're craving and you're having
shame spirals and you're havingall of these issues, that's not
necessarily helpful for youspecifically.
So, like the answer to innermoderation, like what is

(19:25):
moderation and I think oils issuch a good example of that,
because you know that point isdifferent for everybody is you
know, if cutting back on oilhelps you feel better, then
that's not a bad thing to do.
But there's not a cutoff pointto this.
Is too much oil?
It's just where.
Where are you going to enjoywhat you're doing so much that
it's easy to do every day andyou don't want to stop, uh, and

(19:48):
you're feeling good, and thattakes negotiation to figure that
out.
There's not one right answer.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Is that kind of your advice for like most I mean, you
know, obviously you said oil,but like I feel like it's pretty
good advice.
With most things You're justlike you know, find along that
line, try different things, andat one point where you're like,
oh, fuck this.
No, I'm not going to be able tostick to this for the rest of
my life, so it's just not worthit.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Well, absolutely, and I think that the other part too
is at what point is my braingoing into panic mode?
Because what I find and againone of the many hats I have worn
in my career is in diabetescare, and I think with diabetes,
the thought is the best amountof sugar is zero sugar.
When it comes to diabetes,right, and that's, that's the

(20:31):
dogma that I think a lot ofpeople are riding with, the best
amount of carbs I could havewould be as close to zero carbs
as possible.
But I find that what and thisis kind of how I got into the
topic of binge eating initiallyis I found that a lot of people,
when they were striving forthat, ended up binging and
having way more sugar than theywould have if they just had a

(20:52):
little bit every day, and solike.
I've had a few clients that I'veworked with who you know had,
you know, really high A1Cs, wereon insulin and we're just
struggling.
They're like I need to I oninsulin and we're just
struggling.
They're like I need to I.
This is serious, like I need toget this under control, and
then just saying like, okay, howabout we have intentional
dessert every day, full sugar,whatever, and they just stopped
binging and all of a sudden,their diabetes like they stopped

(21:13):
needing to take insulin.
Their numbers got better, likeyou know, things got back into
control and it's like sometimesit's like you have to compare
what is the quote-unquote idealwith what is the real lived
experience that you are havingwhen you are trying to chase
that ideal I absolutely that,and so of course I'm a little

(21:35):
biased because I love the study,but where they took children
and they had the one group ofchildren where they were never.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
There was a table full of candy and they were not
allowed to touch it unless theywere told that they could go
take one, yeah, or take some.
And they, when they were told,they would just go and they
would binge the ever-loving fuckout of that table.
And then there was the othergroup of children where they
were allowed to approach thetable, have candy whenever they
wanted, and they would go up andthey would have one piece and

(22:04):
then they would go back toplaying yeah, yeah, and I mean
honestly like I think that thatprinciple for a lot of people is
huge.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's that that, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna reduce
the scarcity that we havearound these foods, um, and not
make it like a situation whereyou know you're having to exert
so much effort to avoid it thatit's all that you can think
about all the time.
And also that I think whenpeople are in an environment of
scarcity, it elevates the valueof those foods.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
So when they do have an opportunity, it's like this
is my last time I'm going tohave this starting tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
We're not doing this anymore, so I'm going to have as
much as I can, and there'ssomething super powerful about
saying, okay, I'm going to givemyself permission to include
these foods, and I'm going to becurious about what my brain
does with that and I'm going totry to support myself in a in a
positive way as opposed tocontrol myself, and I think

(22:55):
that's so scary for a lot ofpeople to to lean into that.
But I have seen again and againand again with a lot of the
clients that I work with thatwhen they do that, when they
actually commit to that, uh,it's like people who have had
challenges with food for yearsand years and years and years,
in like a week or two of justgiving themselves unconditional

(23:16):
permission, find that like it,the amount that they're binging
just plummets, like they feelcomfortable they can actually
think about when they want tohave these foods, as opposed to
being like so, uh, so wrapped upinto it's available now, it's
only going to be available now,so I have to have all of it now.
It's more like do I want thisnow Cause I could have it
tomorrow if I wanted to you know, like it's just such a

(23:38):
different environment mentally.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I went shopping yesterday and I was able to walk
past the chips and be like youknow what I had chips recently.
I don't really feel like buyingchips.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I get where people are coming from, though, because
the amount of videos I havegetting, I've gotten tagged in
where someone it's.
They're usually walking andthey're yelling.
That's typically the way.
Like I'm not, but there's likeI've had enough.
This is it.
I've been unhealthy so long.
Now I'm taking control and I'mgonna do everything.
Right, I'm gonna do this, I'mgonna stop doing that, I'm gonna
do this.
I'm always gonna do that, andI'm like listen, I love the

(24:10):
passion.
That passion is so dope.
Let's channel that maybe alittle bit better, though,
because what you are saying isyou are going to be perfect and
you, I promise you are notyou're.
If you strive for that, it'snot going to work, and I think
that the reason they think thatis because it's kind of been
pushed on us, because othervideos I get tagged in it's
always like if you're fat, whyis that?

(24:32):
Why?
Why are you so lazy?
Why don't you just put in theeffort?
All you have to do is put inthe effort, like I do, and then
you won't be fat.
Like that's the type of shit Isee.
So like that leads into thesepeople going yes, those people
are right, and so I'm gonna takecontrol and do everything and
I'm like let's just, let's justchannel that shit a little bit

(24:53):
better and, like you said, it'sfine you can have.
Let's not completely restrictfrom this, cause that's going to
go poorly, but let's make justsome small improvements and give
it time, cause damn man.
So I get where people arecoming from.
They want to do the right thing,but it's just, it's, it's
misplaced.
I feel like Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think the other big thing is that when people are
striving for perfection, there'stwo things that happen for
people psychologically.
One of them is that there'sthis kind of seductive idea that
it's just about always makingthe right choice If I can just
say no, and that sounds sosimple.
It sounds so simple, it's justnot because your body's working
against.
Simple, it sounds so simple,it's just.

(25:33):
It's just not because yourbody's working against you, your
mind's working against you,everything is working against
you on that one.
So you know, embracing that, itis not just as simple as always
saying no forever, becausethat's if that worked, that
would have worked, you know.
But the second one is whenwe're striving for perfection as
opposed to striving forcuriosity and trying to actually

(25:55):
get in touch with what feelsgood and having an open mind
about what that landing placelooks like, is people, the bar
that people set for like?
They start categorizing a dayas a lot of times I go well,
what does eating look like foryou?
And they'll be like well, thisis what a good day looks like
for me and this is what a badday looks like for me.

(26:16):
And the interesting thing isthat when we're saying, all
right, I'm going to have theenergy and, starting tomorrow,
everything is going to beperfect, is that our bar for a
bad day?
Is one thing going on Like ourbar for a good day, is
everything going right to a T?
And the issue is that, if it'slike you know, you had a really
solid breakfast, you had areally solid lunch, you went out
and you went for a walk andthat was awesome.

(26:38):
And then you came back and Godforbid had a cookie and you're
just like, ah.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I did it.
You know today's a bad day.
They had them at the office,they had donuts and I had one.
Well, fuck it All right, therest of the day is a wash Today
is bad, don't go tomorrow.
We'll start again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Since this day is already labeled as bad, I might
as well get my ya-ya's out andhave every single thing that I
have possibly been craving.
And then they start over thenext day, and it's just like
well, we got to acknowledge thatwe're never going to be perfect
human beings.
Nobody is, none of us are.
No one's going to be perfect.
None of us are, no one's goingto be perfect.

(27:15):
And, uh, any, any amount ofsomething that you do that is
supporting your body and yourgoals makes it a good day.
You know, we can't have the barfor a good day being absolute
perfection, because we're justgoing to be stuck on a cycle.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
We keep the bar on the floor here.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
We, we, we talk about that a lot here.
Bars on the floor, let's walkover it and then we can raise it
a little bit.
We raise it like a tiny bit andthat's great.
You did a little bit better, ah, shit.
But in terms of like, I'm not.
I'm far from an expert on likebinge eating, but from the what
I've seen from other creatorswho talk about it a lot, it does
seem like this what we'vetalked about a lot.
I know like eliza.

(27:46):
Eliza has started this, butlike the eat what you want, add
what you need, sort of mentalityand just combining things helps
out a lot where right, whereyou, you have something you want
, but instead of just going totown on it, like I just picked
up some fucking hey man, I wentto costco and they're like you
want you, you want some the.
You want to try the new, uh,golden sriracha doritos?

(28:08):
Here's a 30 pound bag of them.
You're gonna have to carry themlike one of those fucking giant
bears.
You went at the fair.
You know, like how am I?
What is this?
There's no way in hell I'mgonna be able to finish these
before they go stale.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Like give me in little packages anyway, that's
my assuming you bought them forthe Super Bowl party.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I for a family of like 13 minimum, like it's the.
The bag is massive, uh, anyway.
So, like you know it's like,instead of just going to town on
that, like you know, you addthe other things to it, right,
you add like a vegetable, youadd some fruit, you add some
nuts, you add some other thingsthat will aid in the satiety and
, you know, add a little bitmore nutrition.
Have you seen that like helpingpeople?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Oh, totally, totally.
And I think too, like what Ifound is that when I'm working
with clients, I think a big partof it, a big part of I think,
improving a binge pattern, youkind of start by improving the
restriction pattern.
That's like a big part of it.
Like it's kind of letting,letting all foods fit is a is so
helpful but it is so scary fora lot of people to do that,

(29:16):
which makes total sense.
And I think that the have whatyou want, add what you need, is
really helpful on aphysiological level because it
helps you feel full, it helpsyou not be restricted, like on a
functional level.
I love it.
But I think on a psychologicallevel too, it helps people do
that work, because I think thatit is really hard to kind of say

(29:36):
, ok, I'm just going to blindlygo into this and just you know,
keep a value pack of ice creamsandwiches in my refrigerator
and see how it goes.
Like that feels super scary.
And saying, ok, I'm going tohave that with something
psychologically feels more likea plan and I think that that
that helps people.
So I think it helps on multiplelevels.

(29:57):
I love that frameworkpersonally.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, because I never really.
I'm always like with the bingeeating, the ADHD, like I know
you said you kind of work withthat as well Like I'm never,
really never sure.
The comment I get a lot frompeople who say they deal with
that.
It's like I just forget, forgetto eat, like I eat like once
like a day and I just liketotally forget and I'm like I
don't know what that's likebecause I eat all the time, like
I'm constantly eating, so I, I,I don't know how to help yeah,

(30:22):
well, I feel like with adhdthere's like two flavors uh,
they're the people who don't eatall day, and then they're just
like all their nutrition is inlike one go at the end of the
day when their meds have wornoff.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Um, or that pattern can happen if people are
unmedicated too, but or it's thepeople who are using food for
stemming and they're munchingall day and it's kind of it's
one of the two usually.
So you know, if hunger is a partof it too, like like, I find
that for a lot of people I workwith with adhd, undernourishing

(30:53):
during the day is a huge part ofwhy they might binge at
nighttime.
I mean, there's a lot of otherfactors.
It's never usually just that,but uh, I've had a number of
people with ADHD where it's likewhen we work on having
breakfast and having lunch, oreven if it's not like a meal but
like having more snacks duringthe day, if they're one of those
people that doesn't eat all day, um, that the frequency with
which they're they're binging atnighttime, it like drops, like

(31:16):
a rock like they might still doit because there's other factors
.
But um, it's huge, but it's alsotricky to figure out how to do
that like that.
Takes a lot of troubleshootingto figure out how to make that
not another item on their to-dolist.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
That already feels overwhelming right, so that's
tough you know, it's a, it's abalance another item on their
to-do list that feelsoverwhelming, makes me think of
um, you also post or reposted avideo, because I actually saw
the first time you posted thisand I know I I did because I had
it light, but um, you repostedum a thing on restraint collapse

(31:52):
yeah that really resonated withme, at least this time around.
I guess maybe I was in a betterplace the first time I saw it,
but I actually, um, after seeingyour video, I actually was like
holy crap, this is me.
Um, I need to take a step backfrom what I'm doing because I'm
pushing myself way too hard,yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh, I'm so glad to hear that resonated.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, Fill me in.
What's what's going on here?
What are we talking about?
Collapse.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah.
So, um, a lot of times, like Ithink, a lot of people who are
neurodivergent it there's a lotof.
I mean, it can be masking, itcan be just the way that your
brain works, but I think there'sa constant vacillation between
um, go, go, go, go, go, go, go,go, go, go, go, go, go, get it
all done, be productive, andthen just absolutely, like I

(32:38):
call it, like turning into aburrito on the couch.
Like you were just gone Like youare checked out.
You have used all of yourmental juice, uh, in trying to
accomplish the things thatyou're trying to accomplish, and
it takes so much more mentalpower, especially for people who
are in a traditional workenvironment, um, because they're
.
It's not just self-directedstuff, I mean, I don't know,

(32:58):
it's both, cause I would saythat, like, as a as a business
owner myself, you know there'salso ways to like not have
boundaries if it's your business.
So you know, it's just, and Ithink that part of this
vacillation between being all goand all stop, uh, is that
there's this feeling, withneurodivergence and the ADHD in

(33:20):
particular, that when you have aperiod of good focus, you have
to take advantage of it and seeit to its end, cause it's the
only time you're going to beproductive, uh, and so that can
happen on a daily basis.
So I've seen these cycleshappen, like the first part of
the day is like super sucked in,and especially people on meds,
that's like definitely a pattern, followed by absolute inability

(33:42):
to function or do anythingother than eat or use alcohol or
substances or more numb for therest of the night.
Or I've also noticed that thiscan happen on like a, on a
weekly cycle where, like Monday,tuesday, they're like super
clued in and then they'restruggling, thursday, friday,
and then they're burnt out.
Like you know, it's just this,this thing, and I also think

(34:04):
there's a problem with the insociety.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
We've got that ideal that if you're not doing well
enough, then you're not workinghard enough.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yes, totally, Totally , and a lot of that feeling of
like I need to do as much as Ican while I can do it.
You know it comes from veryreal economic pressures that
people have.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
You know it's not.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
It's not like something that's in your head.
Like that pressure isabsolutely real.
You know it's not.
It's not like something that'sin your head, like that pressure
is absolutely real.
And one thing that I like tovisualize for people when
they're trying to break thiscycle and have a little bit more
balance is, like you know, I'mat like in video games.
I think this is like a veryrelatable way to talk about this
.
If you are sprinting, if yourgame character is sprinting, and

(34:50):
you use up your stamina bar,you have to like you're slow for
a while until that stamina bargets to a certain point.
And I think people generallyspeaking, but especially people
with ADHD, it's the same.
You know, if you use up all ofyour juice and you get you run
it dry, you are going to be inthe mud for a bit until you

(35:12):
recharge.
And I think there's a couple ofways to think about managing
that.
One of them is to try to nothit that point.
That is not feasible foreverybody to do, depending on
their job or their the way theirbrain works.
For me personally, that worksgreat.
Like I think of how much Ishould do and then I try to take

(35:36):
off like 10%, so that I don'thit that point and my husband
comes in and reminds me too.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
That's what I've been working on is not hitting that
point and taking the step backand reprogramming my brain to
say, it's okay, I didn't getthis much done.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, Cause in reality like not that this is
the goal and I don't want to getinto like a toxic productivity
standpoint with it, but if youare not hitting burnout, you
will be able to hum along a lotbetter and your productivity
will be better and your abilityto do things mentally will be
better.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
And you'll enjoy what you're doing better.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yes, absolutely.
The other thing because, again,I worked with people where that
, that is, the demands of theirjob make that very challenging
to do is having acceptancearound the fact that you have to
recover and letting yourselfactually do that, because I
think that a lot of times whenpeople are getting into that
recovery mode, they just beat upon themselves for not being

(36:31):
able to do anything and thatsabotages their ability to
recover in the first place.
So just saying, all right, Ipushed super hard, we're just
going to sit on the couch andwatch TV, have some snacks today
and recover, and just lettingthat be therapeutic.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That actually leads me into a question that I always
ask people who work withclients.
Well, okay, I don't ask thembecause I often forget, but when
I do remember I ask them.
And that's like when you forpeople, I like to ask people who
work on clients, like, whattraits do you see amongst your
clients that are common, amongstpeople who are successful, you
know?
So, basically, you know, likewhat are these?

(37:06):
These people are successful.
They all kind of do X, y or Zor whatever, like you just said.
They're able to kind of acceptthat they need to.
You know, be okay with notdoing everything like you know,
just stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Totally.
I think the first and thebiggest trait that I see are
people who get reallycomfortable with failure and
they welcome failure as alearning opportunity.
I think that's the biggest.
I think when people go failed Ifailed, I did what's wrong with
me and they start getting intothat cycle.
Um, that makes it really hard.
But if people go, you know I uh,I noticed that I had two really

(37:41):
really rough days at work.
Um, I was super busy,overwhelmed.
I came home and I went absolutenuts and I prepped food, but
the food I ate just didn't soundgood.
I didn't eat it.
I went to the store, I else, um, and I just like had a, went
absolute ham.
You know, like, if that's thestory, they're like, why did I
do that?
You know I have a tool I needto develop.
Uh, can I be curious about that, not beat myself up because my

(38:05):
brain did that to protect me?
Like, ultimately, that comesdown to your brain trying to
help you survive in whateversituation you're in, and if you
can get curious about that, um,and not let it shut you down, I
think that quality is probablythe most powerful in my clients,
who do really really well, youknow.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I think, yeah, being willing to accept failure and
just being okay Okay, hear meout here.
Um, being okay with just beingdumb sometimes.
Listen, hear me out here.
Okay, here, okay.
So my, my car.
I called around to like sevendifferent auto places trying to
get a remote start on my carbecause it's cold outside.
I'm trying to get a remotestart on my car, right, I'm

(38:43):
calling around, I'm trying tofigure it out.
I call up like the actualfucking honda dealership, all
right.
And I'm like, all right, I needa road start my car.
And they're like quoting methings and stuff like yeah, yeah
, whatever.
I finally get to the guy whoactually works on cars and he's
like I'm sorry, uh, sir, what,what, um, what models do you
have?
And I'm like honda pilot,whatever.
He's like yeah, you've alreadygot a remote start on your car.

(39:06):
I had no fucking clue, no idea,and I just started bust out
laughing.
I'm like, holy shit, he's.
Yeah, you see that little likemostly filled circle on your, on
your fucking key fob orwhatever it is.
Yeah, just hit that button.
I did.
Boom, car starts right out.
I've been running out in thefucking cold ass weather to
start the car holding mydaughter, we're both cold.
Running back in this whole timeI had a button right on my

(39:27):
fucking car.
I would have just paid somebodyto and they I literally could
have paid someone and then theywould just been like here you go
, it's done, and I would havepaid them whatever kind of money
and it would have already justbeen there like no idea.
I don't fucking know cars.
I know literally dick aboutcars, okay, and so, and that's
fine, and that's fine.
I'm not a car guy.
My dad fixes fucking everythingin sight.
I don't know how to fuckingchange uh, I barely know how to

(39:50):
change a light bulb, right.
So like it's, it's okay.
I, I don't, I'm not a handyman,all right.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's why I have how many liams does it take to
change a light bulb?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
I do, okay, I don't know understand so much like the
differences.
Like there's led and that'swhat we're supposed to be using,
because that's better thanincandescent, because that's
older and takes more energy.
I learned this at cosi when Itake my daughter to the museum,
anyway.
So like I don't, just I don'tknow these things so like, and
then you know that's fine, Ijust, you know you gotta be okay

(40:20):
with just being dumb sometimesand just laughing.
I'd be like I'm fucking crackedup.
I told my wife and I was justlike laughing.
She didn't know either, likeneither of us.
We're both just fuckinglaughing.
It's in this whole time.
We had it we're talking about.
Oh, it'd be so nice, we had aremote star, had it the whole
time.
You know it's fine, it's allfine, laugh and move on.
There's no reason to get.
You know people get like.
You know no need to get madabout it.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Anyway.
No, I mean there's a lot ofpower in being self-deprecating
and just like joking around withit and not not getting worked
up.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, holy shit the people that take themselves so
so seriously To amalgamateeverything we were talking about
there.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Um, going back to the a little bit, to the ADHD and
stuff, possibly one of the moredamaging things I did was think
that because the ADHD issomething wrong with me, I have
to get past it, I have to workon all this stuff, instead of
accepting that, yes, I have itand things are going to work

(41:22):
differently.
And if I can't do something theway that the, the normal people
can do it, then that's okay,it's like oh whatever you know,
I'll just do it this way, ormaybe I'll just have to find
somebody to help me, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I need that a lot.
Holy shit, one time I needsomeone to help me Cause I
locked my keys in the car and myspare key Both of them.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Don't even ask.
Oh, yeah, listen listen, listen, listen.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Okay, I had a key and I had to go into a place where
I couldn't like take stuff.
Like it was a long story, it'snot important, okay, so I left
my key in the car because I knewI had a spare key.
All right, so I leaveeverything in the car.
I come back, I get my spare key, I open the door to get my
phone because I want to run inand take a picture of something.

(42:15):
I close the door andimmediately I look at both my
fucking spare key and my key inthe car and I was like holy shit
, my girlfriend at the timenever let me live that down,
never.
And I was like you know what?
That's fair, like I understandit.
But yeah, I had to have.
I had to like we had anotherkey she had to take like a taxi
out.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
So we had three keys.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I had fucking three keys for a car that I needed to
get into some and I just laughedat it.
I had their key and so likeit's, that's a fucking day, and
I think back to that often.
I just laugh at it because I'mlike oh, that was stupid, let me
try not do it again.
But who knows, maybe I will.
It's all fine, it's fine yeah,bars on the floor on the fucking
floor.
Man, listen, I'm still.
Listen, I'm an idiot and Istill have a successful social
media thing with a podcast andall this shit.

(42:57):
If a dummy like me can do this,you'll be fine.
Okay, just laugh.
You gotta be able to laughyourself a little bit and be
dumb and be okay with failure.
Failure's fine, it helps youoff.
Okay, it's cool, chill outanyway yeah, I mean honestly you
.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
You can't learn what works for you and what doesn't
unless you fail.
You can't.
It's super necessary.
Going back to what you weresaying, rob, my motto is always
change the habit to fit you,don't change to fit the habits
you want to have.
That's just never going to work.
I see people trying to bashtheir head against the wall
trying to do that.

(43:32):
A resource I um I cannotremember the name of the person,
maybe you know, uh, but it's abook called, I think it's how to
keep house while drowning Um,is it's.
It's all about, like you know,I remember the biggest takeaway
that I had from that was why amI spending all of this time
trying to fold laundry when Ihate doing it?

(43:53):
And then I don't do it and thenI have piles everywhere.
I wash it and then it's justlike all my laundry, like and
this gosh.
I wish I could remember thename of this, the creator, I
think she.
She focuses on, like ADHD andneurodivergence, but she's like
well, if you're, why are youwasting so much energy trying to
fold your laundry?
Just put them in piles and moveon.
You know, like nobody cares.

(44:17):
Nobody cares that your laundryis folded At this point, all the
materials I have are nonwrinkling anyway.
So, like, why am I taking timeout of my day when I could be
doing something I actually enjoydoing?
You know, it's like ifsomething is a drain just
because it's like what youshould do, like throw it out the
window, it's taken up space youdon't need it.
Like you will need to figureout how it works for you and you
know, like I don't know, I justI resonate with that thing is

(44:45):
keeping the kitchen clean whenyou have roommates.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
please do that.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, that one, that one definitely definitely.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Two things for other people, for yourself fuck it.
No, I listen.
Yeah, I get people that likemessage me.
You're like your house lookslike shit, I'm like it does and
I'm fine with that.
Like I don't give a.
What am I?
Oh my god, it's not clean.
Who gives a shit like what am Iusing anything over there?
It's fine, whatever, I get by,okay.
Oh man, what's the thing?
I only saw?
I did a video the other daywhere it was like a woman was

(45:13):
making a recipe and and likethere was a tiny fucking hair in
the cocoa powder, like thetiniest hair, and the entire
comment section was like oh mygod, you had a hair in your
cocoa powder, like whole.
Who gives a fucking shit likewhat?
What?
I have three dogs I've got like.
If you have animals, whatever,it's like why are you God?

(45:36):
That's my ranch.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Hair everywhere I got an animal.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Pippin just came in my door.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, you want some snow.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Always hair everywhere, always hair.
Yeah, again, it's just peopleget hung up on rules.
Man, like there's no rules, yougotta do this.
I'm not just breathing in hair.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Oh, keep kidding and I think that comes a lot from
like you know, like a lot of theinfluencers, like in order to
do these things, you have to dox, y and z.
Like you have to do this, likethat's another thing I get
tagged in.
A lot people like man, eatinghealthy is hard, I have to eat
this much protein.
I have to do this.
Like that's another thing I gettagged in a lot is people like
man, eating healthy is hard, Ihave to eat this much protein.
I have to drink this much water, but not do this.
I have to do cardio, but nottoo intense, that it's going to
spike my cortisol and then I'mnot going to be able.

(46:20):
I'm like bro, bro, bring itdown.
Like it's fine, you don't haveto do really.
Like you have to you to.
You have to like there are somethings that have to be done,
but you can do them in a myriadof ways.
You don't have to do thesespecific things like make it
work for you.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I hate the, I hate the.
Anything that um has somethingin it is no longer water thing
going on where coffee's notwater because it's got something
in it, soda's not water becauseit's got something and it's
like, no, this is water.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Seltzer's, not water.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
The whole coffee is dehydrating thing, it doesn't
count as fluid when you'redrinking it.
I'm like guys, we're losing thethread here.
I think people are visual,though I think they're visual
creatures when they can see onsocial media somebody having the
life that they want to have.
They're like I got to do thethings that they do and I can
see it, because I can see themdoing it and they can't see the
way that works for them, like soit's.

(47:17):
It's hard for them toconceptualize that you know,
because they're not, they're notimagining well, what's the life
I want to have, you know?
and then everybody on socialmedia is only posting the
highlights of the but then it'slike they never paused to ask do
I actually want that life?
Like I think fitness contentcan be a lot like that.

(47:37):
You know where it's like, ohyeah, I should work out every
day, but they never paused toask if that's the mode of
exercise that they actuallyenjoy doing.
Some people love it, somepeople don't, but then they try
to like trick themselves intoliking it instead of finding,
you know, you do have to just doit and the act of doing it you

(47:57):
might start to enjoy it.
I have absolutely experiencedthat with strength training.
I hated it at first and now Iactually really enjoy it.
But so there can be a littlebit of that like you do have to
try and like give it a goodshake, but especially with some
of these like influencers whowere doing all these crazy
things, it's like do you reallywant to get in a bucket of cold
water?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Like oh shit man, cold water.
Like oh shit man, those icebaths and whatnot.
Man, that trend was weird.
There's like I mean it's allsorts of videos like, oh, you
want to burn calories, just getin a cold shower.
I'm like, yeah, this whole timethe obesity epidemic.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
No, no, no cold shower if that were true, canada
would be the most fit place inthe.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
In the world, we're constantly cold they're like a
calorie is a unit of heatmeasurement, so all you gotta do
is make cold and cold, make fatgo away and you lean.
I'm like, okay, listen, youmade a lot of jumps there and
there's like, oh yeah yeah,that's okay.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
That's my biggest pet peeve in nutrition, though, is
like these massive logical leaps, and you see that nowhere
better than like the supplementindustry yeah, where it's like
they take some little teeny,tiny rat study and then they
draw all of these leapingconclusions to try to sell you
okay, what are you in thesupplements like?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
are you like, is there's like, okay, these few I
actually like and can be useful.
Are you kind of just like, andno supplements except B12 for
deagons, like where?
Where are you landed on that?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Um, I guess we should parse out what we mean by
supplement, because there's like.
There's like nutritionalsupplements and then there's
like herbal supplements, youknow what I mean, Like two
different things specificallynutritional supplements.
I think it depends on your diet,um, and what your lab values,
and I think that, look, I don'twant people to stress themselves

(49:42):
out having to eat a diet thatthey don't enjoy to try to get
everything unsupplemented, youknow, if that is causing stress
for them.
Like, yes, we need a variety,we need balance.
It's better to get throughnutrition but, like you know,
for example, I take an omega-3supplement and I do that because
you can get it from flax andchia.
I mean, there's also a lot ofquestions about the, but let's

(50:04):
say, let's say I wasn't veganthough, um, I was never a fish
person.
I don't like fish.
Yeah, I don't want to.
I invited you to this contestand you're not a fish person.
Oh, we're not gonna be able toinvite a lot of people, a lot of
people, don't like fish or Ithink, I think you'd be
surprised by how few peopleactually enjoy eating fish yeah,

(50:25):
it's like do I know that thereare benefits to omega-3, do you?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
like pineapple on pizza.
I do it's my favorite man.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Ah, sweet and salty, it's like I love it, um, but
like am I gonna make myself eatfish multiple times a week when
I don't like it for the benefitsof omega-3?
When I could take a supplementbecause I don't like it, you
know, like I.
So I think in situations likethat it can be helpful.
I I think people taking a lotof supplements willy-nilly is um

(50:57):
, for the most part it's it'snot necessary.
Um, but also like I can.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I can appreciate people not wanting to put a lot
of thought into it um, and assomebody who's autistic, I like
I do like ribbing people aboutthe things like fish, but yeah
like I do have a lot of foodaversion, yeah, and so I'm just
there are things that I'm justnot going to eat, and it could
be for the stupidest reason,yeah yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Um, I think they're a great tool to use, uh, yeah,
but herbal supplements, uh,there are some that show some
benefit, but I think, again, Ithink people oversell what they
can accomplish vastly overstated.
And yeah, just wild, and yeah,just wild it's always that your

(51:46):
body needs this.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So and this has that and therefore it will do all
these things.
It will boost your metabolismand I always feel, because
people tag me in these videosand they're like is this true?
I'm like like, yes, this yourbody needs, I don't know,
magnesium for this thing, but istaking this specific form in
this amount going to do make youfeel like a new person?

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Probably not, you know it's small, small gains at
best.
Um, I think one of the.
I did a video um on likeprobiotic supplements and like
one of the things that likeprobiotic supplements, there is
some research behind is the factthat they can help people with
chronic constipation.
However, the studies on thatshows that it, on average,

(52:29):
increases people's bowelmovements I can't remember what
it was, what the figure was, butit was like by three quarters
of a bowel movement a week isthe improvement which is like if
you're going from one bowelmovement a week to like two
bowel movements a week.
That might be significant forsomebody, um, but for a lot of
it's it's not.
It's not curing constipation.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So it's like the overselling of it.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
It's the overselling, yeah, it's, the overselling is
really, is really big.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Um, I've been getting asked about um cayenne a lot
lately, that seems to be reallyhigh end yeah and it's like yeah
, it contains um like the samething that we we've isolated
into aspirin, but at such aminuscule dose, yeah, with the
dosage, yeah, oh, what's the onefuck, I love the, the god damn

(53:19):
it.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
What's the one where they take like they take
something and they dilute it bylike one, one, one millionth,
and then they dilute it again,and then they dilute it again,
like over and over again, andthen you, you drink it.
It's like a it's, it's fuck Idon't remember the name of it,
but that's like, that's like myfavorite.
They just take like one thingthat it's like either like toxic
, and then they'll like diluteit a hundred times until there's

(53:40):
nothing left in it and thenthey say this will like cure
something and it's.
That's, that's my favoritesomething like colloidal silver
oh, it's like like beach, I'mgonna I'm gonna remember pac-man
?
Yeah, the it's, but like it youcan, you?
It moves a lot of products.
We'll just, I guess we'll justput it that way, yeah it does.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
It just always blows my mind, though, that people are
really skeptical atrecommendations.
I have a lot of research that'sput out by larger institutions.
They're like no, no, no, notthat, but they will totally buy
a supplement from some guy onthe internet based on one rat
study.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'm like okay.
But that guy with the rat studyhad abs he had abs.
That's that's important yep, Iget, I get that a lot, where
people will be like, yeah, butpaul saladino looks healthier
than you or whatever, and it'slike they especially base it on
our skin tones and I'm like,yeah, I live in canada and I get

(54:41):
five hours of sunlight and if Igo outside I have to wear a
winter coat.
He lives in fucking costa rica.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, I wonder which of us is going to get more sun
yeah, I've gotten that same whenI've done a few videos on paul
saladino.
Um I it's so funny because it'slike half the comments are he
looks sick and then half of thecomments are you look sick and
he looks healthy and it's justlike okay.
But again, I live in, I live inmaine, so it's very close to
canada.
Um, I do not get a lot of sun.

(55:09):
A lot of the time I've gotfreckles, so it hides that fact.
But uh, and I'm a new parentthat does not get a lot of sleep
, so I'm like, yeah, I looktired.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You would too if, uh yeah, he's also rich and gets to
hire people to cook for him,and I swear he does not know how
to cook that last video one ofhis recent videos where he was
talking about burning milk Idon't think he knows how to cook
right yeah, well, it was partof the oreo one he also.
He said if I took that torch tobeef or to milk it would

(55:39):
instantly burn.
It's like that's not howcooking works, paul.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Oh my gosh, that reminds me total tangent.
Have you ever seen the video ofGordon Ramsay making a grilled
cheese sandwich?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I don't think I have Wait.
No, Is that the one where hedid bad and people came at him?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
It was so it was the most heinous grilled cheese
sandwich, yes, sandwich, yes,okay, I do know what you're
talking about.
It's like this like super thickbread and then he like puts
these like massive slices oflike super stinky cheese and he
puts like kimchi in the middleand then he tries to cook it
over with fire and he burns halfof it and then the cheese isn't
melted and he's like biting.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
It's just I did not see, that's pretty good
homeopathy is what I wasthinking of, like homeopathic
medicine oh yeah, okay, I justblanking on it.
I like homeopathic medicine.
It's fucking, it's it's wild,it's out there, but like it's
fun anyway you know what.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
So my, my parents were very hippie parents, like
anti-vax, the whole, the wholething, whole thing.
And uh, I never went.
I don't remember going to apediatrician as a kid, but I had
a homeopathist.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
That's awesome.
What did you?
What prescriptions did you get?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Oh my gosh, it was like you have bad dreams.
Take this little, this littleremedy, and it was just like
these little teeny, tinycapsules that just tasted like
sugar and I was like, give me mysugar pills, please.
And I feel like, even as a kid,like I knew what was up.
But yeah, it was, that was,that was the thing I just I
always have.
Every day I'd have my littleteeny sugar balls and I liked it
.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
We legit had somebody come on here I forget who it
was, but it was.
They were telling about how oneof their friends put out a
supplement and he literally justbought sugar pills and threw
them in a bottle because hecould.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah, supplement industry, man and people will
still be like this.
Changed my life, yep.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Every time I do a supplementreview it's like I get those
comments no but it really worksand I'm like okay, it really
works.
That's your experience, man,keep rocking it, whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Communicity.
Man, placebo is placebo, andany sort of bias like that, as
soon as it sinks in, changesyour mentality.
It changes you know.
You're like, oh, this is goingto work.
So you start picking yourselfup, go to work.

(58:02):
So you start, uh, pickingyourself up and so I mean, yeah,
I guess if, if the placebo isworking for you, that's great.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I guess maybe I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, I've gotten somecomments when I've talked about
the placebo effect, where peopleare like, so you're just
calling me crazy, and I was likeoh no, the placebo effect is
real.
That's why we have to integrateit into like into studies like

(58:29):
it's not like you're not gettinga benefit.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
You are, it's just.
You would have gotten a benefitif there was nothing in it, too
, it's going to be pure placebo.
But like, yeah, it's alphawater, cause you ain't no beta
bitch is going to be the tagline.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
You can hop on if you want, we'll send you some and
you can.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
you can sell it, you can hawk it.
Oh well, it will make a bunchof money off, it'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I'm so sick of being a beta bitch, so exactly, and
it'd be hexagonal water.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That is structured water.
It's better.
That's better for hydrating orsomething yeah, integrates into
your cells better yeah, yes, uh,yeah, with patented cell
integration, we'll put thatright on it.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Hold on, let me let me write that down for the uh
cell integration.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I want to throw I want to throw that on there.
I want to throw that on therebecause that's good, I like that
, yeah, coming back around tothe whole plant-based proteins,
because I feel like I got beansand tofu.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I want to throw that on there.
I want to throw that on therebecause that's good.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, coming back around to the whole plant-based
proteins, because I feel like Igot beans and tofu and then we
were just gone.
Yeah, I know we kind of didjust go off.
Let's finish it up with that.
Let's finish up with it,because I do get asked about
that a lot.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, yeah.
So beans and tofu are great.
You know, I think, uh, I reallyenjoy some of the.
The meat alternatives.
Now, I mean a lot of meatalternatives get a really bad
rap and again, it's just how arethey fitting into your diet
with the rest of your dietlooking like with some of those
things?
How do you feel eating them?
I think that's a big part of it, but I personally really enjoy,

(59:54):
like seitan soy curls, thosekinds of things.
They're very versatile, they'revery easy to use, they're easy
to season however you want to.
I like those.
But also, I think I one of mybiggest like soapbox issues that
I want to hop on that I alwayshop on is that whole grains, for
the most part brown riceaccepted, actually contain a
good amount of protein, and alot of people do not count that,

(01:00:17):
you know, um, so like theythink a bowl of pasta is just
carbs.
Uh, and it's not just carbs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
It's like you're getting protein from a lot of
different things I just finisheda sandwich that's whole grain
bread and each slice had sixgrams of protein, so that's 12
right there, and it was peanutbutter and jelly.
So I you'd use more than two touse this fucking two
tablespoons of peanut butter,get the fuck out of here and so
like that's, you know another,like 10 grams at least or so, so
I got over 20 grams of protein.

(01:00:44):
Yeah, it's a lot of calories,but I need a lot of calories, so
it's fine still getting over 20grams of protein, bread and
peanuts it's this food rulething, where people feel like
something can be only be aprotein source if the
predominant macronutrient isjust protein bro, peanut butter,
can I fucking say.
I'm so tired of videos.
People like peanut butter isnot protein, people without
protein like holy shit dude.
Yes, we know it's not fuckingjam-packed with protein, but

(01:01:06):
like it has protein, it has sixgrams per serving.
You use a couple servings.
Yeah, it's a lot of calories,but, like again, it still counts
.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Oh, I don't like, I hate that yeah, well, I mean,
oatmeal can be that too, likepasta can be that too.
Quinoa, ferret, like any grainscan be, can can help.
Um, so I think I don't know mymy perception of it is when it
comes to getting enough protein.
This, this is mostly just foryour average person, not

(01:01:34):
somebody who's like trying toactively build muscle bulk,
because that's going to be alittle bit different.
Um, for most people, I feellike the forest gets lost in the
trees a little bit, becausepeople are focusing so much on
protein and I think that if theyjust focused on making sure
they're eating enough to feelsatisfied and they're making
sure that they're includingthings like beans or tofu now

(01:01:55):
and again, they're probablygoing to do okay protein wise
ultimately if they were to track.
But I think people get sofocused on the protein and then
they under eat calories stillbecause they're just like, okay,
it's just beans and tofu andthat's, and vegetables.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
You don't need 300 grams of protein a day if you're
not jacked up on steroids goingfor the Olympia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah, exactly, and it's like also, if you are
trying to build muscle, you haveto eat a lot more calories too.
So, like cause you, it's reallyhard to build muscle in a
calorie deficit.
Um, so I don't know.
A lot of protein comes alongfor the ride with a lot of
things and people don't realize,not to say that people
shouldn't be concerned aboutprotein, but I do, cause I, you
know, I think everybody shouldhave some thought to it.

(01:02:37):
But I think that a lot of peoplemassively underestimate what
that, what, how much proteinthat they're they're actually
eating.
And I think that if you areeating in a way that that feels
sustainable and you're not superhungry all the time and you
know you're getting enough andyou know you're probably okay,
if one of those things is out ofwhack, then maybe we put a

(01:02:58):
thought to it.
If you're probably okay, if oneof those things is out of whack
, then maybe we put a thought toit.
If you're feeling low energyand you're you know you're
hungry all the time, then okay,let's, let's be thoughtful.
But in most of the cases, uh,it's more of a quantity issue,
because I think people are sohoned in on protein all the time
that I think that they'reprobably fiber gets lost, five
percent of americans not eatingenough fiber.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
And they're like I'll just take a powder and like,
yeah, cillian musk is fine, buthow about you eat a fucking
serving of beans?
Okay, how much it does.
Some lentils, how about?
How about a vegetable?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
damn it yeah, I don't know.
Just make sure that like 75 ofwhat you're eating.
If you're trying to do moreplant-based eating, just make
sure it's not like allvegetables, because you're
probably not gonna feel supergreat if you're doing that like
vegetables are important halfyour plate isn't that what's
kind of like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
what's what kind of drives me crazy is when we look
at like foods like healthy,unhealthy.
Candy bar uh unhealthy.
Uh, broccoli, healthy, okay,but if you're eating like just
nothing but vegetables, thatshit's not healthy.
That's that.
That you're not gonna do wellon that.
So how, like I just don theblack and white dichotomous like
healthy unhealthy kind ofdrives me nuts and like I
totally get it.
Americans are eating like 70%of their calorie from ultra

(01:04:05):
processed foods, so for mostpeople, introducing broccoli
would be a healthy choicetotally.
But, like when you're lookingat it in the individual, it kind
of drives me a little crazyjust to have this kind of black
and white.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, it's really annoying during videos when
people are like this one food issuper blah, blah, blah, super
food.
You need a lot of this in yourdiet.
It's like we don't eat likethat.
We eat a variety of foods.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Variety's better.
Yeah, like what's the best.
Like, yeah, having multiple.
Like I don't know, it's justfrustrating.
Like what's the best.
Like, yeah, having multiple.
Like I don't know, it's justfrustrating.
Like, especially for me, when Igot into my like really serious
about health, I was looking uplike the best food, like what
are the healthiest foods, themost nutrient dense foods, and
then I was like trying to eatmostly, like you know, I pick
one, I'm gonna eat a lot of that.

(01:04:54):
It's like that's not asnutrient dense but it has other
things in it and it balances itout.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
So it's just eating a variety of foods.
Whenever I get that question ofis this healthy, is that
healthy, is this healthy, isthat?
My question is always comparedto what you know, because
because, like you know, comparedto what like, if you, if you
take potato chips, for example,a lot of people would probably
agree that that's ultimately notthe most quote unquote.
Healthy food, but if what youwere doing before is not eating,

(01:05:25):
you know, yeah, Well, I mean,there's a lot of patients on
chemo.
You know their food drive isgone.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Like you know, when you're going through
chemotherapy, you're not hungry.
And so that's why I rememberthat whole, like Paul Saldino
when he was going talking about,like the hospital food and like
everyone pissed, got pissed off, understanding because, yeah,
we're like, okay, when you arelike on chemotherapy and you
don't feel like eating anything,if you can get any food in, no
matter what ultra processed foodit is, that's going to be

(01:05:55):
healthier than not having anyfood, because you know you need
more calories.
When you're growing, when Idon't know you're pregnant and
growing other things when you're, when you're when you're sick,
you need more calories to tosupport those things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So, yeah, and there's a fair amount of people that
have been asking about you goahead sorry, oh, I was just
saying I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Well, one of my many jobs is I worked in a level one
trauma center for a while,inpatient as a dietitian and uh,
like, there's a lot of peoplewho have no appetite and they
have horrible wounds or they'vehad surgery and they have really
high calorie needs and theyjust can't eat, for whatever
reason.
And honestly, it was like allright, what would you like?
Would you like a massive sliceof cake?
I will bring you a massiveslice of cake.

(01:06:38):
Would you like a to take aninsurer and you want me to put
ice cream in that?
Would that sound good to you?
And honestly, like, doing thosethings took people from having
really bad wounds that were nothealing to healing and being
able to leave the hospital.
And cake and ice cream did that?
Like you know it's all energypeople.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
It's all you need.
Energy you need that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
So again, the question is compared to what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of people on
the internet that are, of course, trying to lose weight, but
there's a fair amount of peoplethat are trying to put on weight
and they're seeing these videosthat chips are unhealthy, ice
creams unhealthy, all this stuff, and sometimes it's like, okay,
maybe you just need to havesome chips in that ice cream.
You're doing everything elseright, you're just not getting
enough calories yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I think people just forget that food is energy and
you need it, like it just, itjust becomes like a like, a
transactional thing with weightis like how I think a lot of
people view food, not as likewhat it gives you and the fact
fact that you need energy.
The goal shouldn't be tominimize energy as much as
possible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, anyway, anything else you want to touch
on before we finish up here,anything we didn't, anything we
didn't bring up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Me or Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
To you, I guess I guess both.
Well, no, not Rob, no, just you, not me Not me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
No, rob doesn't care, not in this one, not Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
No, just you Not me, not me, not Rob, not in this one
.
No.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yeah, I don't know, I think that's.
I think it's a goodconversation.
I feel like I yeah, no, I thinkthat's good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Set the bar low.
Celebrate your small successes.
Don't beat yourself up.
Don't be afraid to be dumb,it's totally.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
don't be afraid to get phone calls when you're
getting, when you're on apodcast shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
What I got my my ringtone is is beans, beans.
You know, like beans, beans,the, the magic fruit or the
musical for all that stuff, yeahoh man, I fucking love beans,
man I'm so.
They're so cheap too.
Anyway, I'm not gonna get offon a beans tangent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
The takeaway of this podcast is eat more beans.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Eat more fucking beans, man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Eat more beans.
Eat more beans.
Indeed, Beans are great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
I just made for a video black bean brownies.
Oh man, I think you'll get akick out of it.
I think you both will get akick out of it, because there's
this guy.
It's fucking hilarious're likeoh you know, little sipper, fuck
that, that woman.
God damn, I'm glad she blockedme.
I don't see any more of hervideos.
It's awesome.
But like she's so she did thisvideo, or like she's like you
probably already have thesethings in your house to make

(01:09:10):
these brownies.
First put figs, uh hemp seedsand like extra virgin olive oil
in a cup.
And there's a guy who stitchedit.
He's like of course I have figsand hemp seeds.
They're right next to mycauliflower taints and frog
toenails.
Like who the fuck has thesethings?
And I'm just like dyinglaughing.
It's so funny.
He's like I'm sitting, you'rehits, you're fucking eating

(01:09:31):
brownies made by, by uh, fairiesand I'm sitting over here
eating little debbies that aretaking years off my life.
Very funny anyway.
So I'm like okay, let me showyou.
Here's a can of brownie mix andyou take a can of black beans
and you blend it up and you putit into the brownie mix.
There you go black beanbrownies.
You don't taste it.
It adds fiber, it adds fuckingmicronutrients and shit like
that is it is as healthy?

(01:09:52):
Is it as quote-unquote healthyas fucking figs and hemp seeds?
Maybe not blending.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
It breaks it up and it doesn't work.
You're destroying everythingwith the blending I know the
blend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I do love the fucking .
Whether you blend stuff, itgoes away forever.
Like where does it go?
Like what does it just?
Does it just disappear into theethos, like what the fuck you
think happens?
Oh god, but yeah, so like add,yeah, you go add beans into like
a fucking brownie mix.
There you go, there's yourbeans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
You don't even taste them, eat more beans yeah, I'm
gonna look forward to that,because I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
That sounds like a good recipe it's a lot of black
bean brownies.
They're great.
They're like fudgier, which Ipersonally like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
They're awesome good like yeah, man, or you blend
white beans into sauces.
That that's really good too.
I like blending, like whitebeans into sauces.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
You could do really good like blondies with
chickpeas.
That's like one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I made some chickpea like, like the like cookies.
It was like with tahini andlike chickpeas and like stuff
like that.
I don't know if I made blondies, but that's.
I could definitely see that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Or cookie dough, chickpea cookie dough.
I've seen that.
I've done a few of those.
I I make that sometimes.
I'll make like little cookiedough bites that I'll keep in
the fridge, uh, which is great,because, like you know, I feel
like a lot of times if I want asnack, I want something sweet.
That's where my brain likes togo.
So if I can get some extranutrition in that and it makes
me feel more satisfied, win yeahyou ever done any chickpeas in
the uh the ninja creamy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
no, I've definitely never put beans.
I promise you that when, likeyou just throw the whole, like
you put anything else in thereor we just do a chicken, I have
no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You're the one that's had the ninja creamy for I have
never put.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
I I put grapes in there.
That shit's banging.
Like you just put frozen grapesin the ninja creamy and you add
a little lime juice and honey,oh, it's like it turns into an
awesome sorbet.
Yeah, frozen grapes, honey,lime juice, that's it, and the
Ninja creamy hole.
Like you don't have to blendthem up, just throw a whole ones
in there, top it up.
I've had that a few times.
It's great.

(01:11:52):
That's one of my favoritesgrapes in the in the freezer
right now and I'm fucking oh manwith the amount of videos I've
also got tagging grapes.
So much sugar, shut the hell up.
Oh, no, fruit has sugar.
Oh, the fruit has sugar in itand sugar turns to fat.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
the.
The contradiction that cracksme up is that don't have grapes
because it's too much sugar, butdrink red wine because it's
healthy oh the juxtapositioncracks me up a little bit yeah
wine is healthy, yeah I feellike with that slowly dying off
a little bit yeah, like it'sstill around getting there

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
but it's still around for sure especially when a
grifter has a promo code forwine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Fucking yeah, don't eat seed oils.
But here's your fucking knowntoxic substance, class one
carcinogen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
No problem, it's fucking approved and if you mix
it with my electrolytes, itwon't dehydrate you oh, bro, I
haven't done it yet, but I stillgotta do this video.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
There's fucking with with bobby and he's just like.
He's like oh, if you see theelectrolytes at costco they're
not very good, check out theseones.
And he pulls his ownelectrolytes from a storage
thing next to the liquid IVs andI'm like that's so great.
Pulling it out like, pretendinglike they sell it, like oh you
just come over here.
Like he doesn't say they sellit.

(01:13:12):
He's not, you're not lying thatway, you're just like pulling it
out from the from, from youknow the next to the other stuff
, like that's so great, I lovethat.
I I think I've talked about itbefore I love the way the length
scripters will go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
I, I just enjoy it, yeah yeah, have you ever come
across dr berg?
He's like across dr berg hedoes this whole thing, gosh I.
It's a video I've been likethinking about doing for a long
time, but his opinions on waterare wild, oh, yeah, wait, I
don't know what to do oh gosh,so many.

(01:13:46):
So first he's just like, oh,you should do water fasting.
And then he's like, oh, we'reall drinking too much water.
And if you, if?

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
you have a water bottle with you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
All the time you're gonna go into a coma because
like, that's totally how thatworks um, but then he's just
like, yeah, okay, so you shouldbe drinking, uh, mineral water
because you need the minerals.
And then he's like, no, no, youshould be drinking distilled
water, because you don't wantall the minerals, but we want
some minerals.
So what you got to do is youhave to get the distilled water
and then put my electrolyte.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Why people are so confused because there's all
these second rules, holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
And then he does this whole thing with like kidney
disease, which is just wild,where he's just like see, you
don't want, like you don't wantto drink the distilled water
because you don't want too muchcalcium, because having too much
calcium causes kidney stones,which is why you want to put in
just the right electrolytes inso you don't get too much
calcium.
And then again in the mineralwater video he's like you do

(01:14:44):
want it because it has calciumand if you get more calcium,
it'll help prevent kidney stones.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
And I'm just so good I thought my favorite, no, no,
no, I did one, it was.
I loved like where.
He's just like if this is whatwould happen if you consume
turmeric every day.
Those are my favorite becausehe's like it'll protect you from
pollution.
If you don't have enoughinflammation, it will create
inflammation.
If you have too muchinflammation, it will reduce
inflammation.
And it's just the wildestfucking takes like it's so out
there.
And of course, he sellsturmeric for like 28 a bottle,

(01:15:09):
like I'm like this stuff is socheap.
You can buy like pounds of itfor like eight bucks.
And he's selling littlecapsules of it for like close to
30 dollars, like that's.
And people are telling me thatyou know.
Like oh, he's just trying tomake people healthy.
I'm like he's trying to fuckingmake his walls fat as shit as
possible.
That's what he's trying to do,like in chiropractor berg I'm a
doctor, yeah it's just wildstuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
And then he was like okay, dry fasting, you gotta dry
fast, like don't, don't don'teat or drink anything there's
nothing for 36 hours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
You will feel amazing oh, he had one video where he
was just like oh, the americanheart association isn't
concerned with cholesterolanymore, said don't worry about
cholesterol and what the.
And he got confused betweendietary cholesterol and blood
cholesterol.
I'm like how do you evenfucking do that?
That's like a massivedifference.
And yeah it was, yeah, it was.

(01:15:59):
I was like I can't, I can'teven believe, like even his
level of dumb, how do you evenget?
How do you even get there?
Oh, dr burke, great one, not asgood as gary brekka.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Gary brekka is my favorite, but dr burke's liam
had a little bit of a crush ongary brekka I I have a a good
amount of admiration for hisability to grift.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
It is very, it's just so good he's so.
He's a good.
You know, like you know was acon man Comes from confidence,
right, he's got the confidence.
He's got that he really does.
He really does On stage.
He's one of the best people onstage I've ever seen.
I've truly go watch someSeriously Now.
If you haven't watched him,I'll send some to you where he's

(01:16:41):
just on.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I don't think.
I don't think I have I tend to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
He's like I'm going to teach you more in five
minutes about this disease thanevery doctor's ever talked to
you in your entire life.
And then boom, boom, boom, he'sgot a whiteboard.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
People love whiteboards.
I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yes, You'll probably know as soon as you see it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
It's so good.
He's got all the pieces.
He's got all the pieces downLike a plus.
A plus, like that's the onlyperson I would give like a plus
on grifting.
There's not a single thingwhere I'm like no, he should do
this.
Instead of that, he's doingevery grifting thing Right, so
it's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
The ice should be like a two yeah he's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
He sells a portable ice tub and he says uh, getting
in cold water will burn morecalories than any, will strip
fat off your body faster thananything else.
I'm like that's, it's so good,I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I mean it's terrible, but like I love it well, it's,
it's okay, because once you guystake over canada, you'll have
all the frozen water you need.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Oh my, god, are we going to become collectively
nicer as a whole country once wetake over canada?
Will the niceness just go up anotch?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
I doubt it.
I feel like you guys are justgoing to get more angry because
you're going to experience ourhealth care system you might
lose you're going to lose healthcare.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
That's going to fucking suck, rob.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I'll no longer be able to break a limb and just go
to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
You can, you just will get charged $80,000.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Well, anyway.
Well, thanks for coming on.
Make sure you tell people whereto find you when they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And make sure that you were on episode 69.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Holy shit, we forgot it was episode 69 this whole
time and I didn't even start itdamn it.
No, all right, can we start?
All right, put this at thebeginning, rob.
Hey, everybody, welcome toepisode 69 that I totally
remembered damn it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I feel so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I'm done, I'm leaving right now I'm copying off the
podcast.
I'm too.
I'm so bad that I forgot.
Fuck, we've been doing thiswhole time, Natalie, We've been
doing 69 minus 2, 69 minus 1.
And then we're like this isgoing to be our BC, like our
zero.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
I've been throwing in puns this whole time Fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
We've got to start this whole podcast over Rerecord
.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
From the top, from the top, from the top.
But yeah, if people want tofind me, I am on TikTok.
I am on TikTok for however longTikTok is, I don't know, it's a
weird place.
I'm on YouTube and I juststarted doing Instagram,
begrudgingly the whole TikTokthing, so it's great it's there.
If anyone wants to join me,it'll be a good time.
I also have a newsletter Ifpeople are wanting more

(01:19:11):
resources around neurodivergenceand binge eating specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I have a monthly newsletter where I send out
stuff that are like tools, tips,tricks, those kinds of
exclusive things there's a linkin bio on all of my socials for
that, so that's probably theeasiest place to find it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I think you told us the platforms, but I don't think
you told us the username.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Oh, yeah, I'm so good at that.
It's NatalieFoxRD.
For all of those, I think withInstagram it's Natalie Fox RD.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I feel it with.
I got like fucking Underscoresand shit on Instagram.
I don't give a shit, I justthrow it all up and it worked.
Listen, I just had a millionFollowers on Instagram.
Okay, I don't know how thatshit worked.
No idea how it worked, but itdid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
You're a big deal now .

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Apparently, hi, oakley, how you you doing?
We're just finishing up?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
When are we going to have Liam Conn?

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I have a whole Comic-Con thing with just me.
That sounds pretty cool.
Do people dress up like me?
Do they all have to wear a soulpatch?
I like the sound of this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
That's amazing.
This is happening.
Liam Conn Soul patch ismandatory.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Alright, everybody say bye, Oakley says bye.
Do you have anything to tellpeople, Oakley, before we go?
Eh yeah no-transcript.

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