Setting Realistic Fitness Goals with Alex Allen

Ever felt like your fitness journey comes with more questions than answers? Fear not, as Liam, Rob, and the ever-dynamic Alex join us on a wild ride through the maze of mindset and expectations in the fitness world. We dissect the critical role of balance in diet and exercise, chuckle over Rob's unexpected wall art, and dive headfirst into the trials of body confidence. If the confusion around PCOS, weight loss, or simply bouncing back after skipping gym day has you spinning, we're here to help you navigate these waters without drowning in self-criticism.

Waking up to the right meal can be a game-changer, and we're not just talking about your average bowl of cereal. We swap stories about the power-packed duo of protein and fiber to kickstart your day, from the classic versatility of eggs to the underestimated charm of overnight oats—all while laughing at the peculiarities of technology that challenge us along the way. And when it comes to setting fitness goals, we're all about keeping it real; forget dropping dress sizes in days or chasing fads. We're here to champion the small victories, like upping that step count, that lead to big, sustainable results.

Wrapping things up, we don't shy away from the gritty stuff. From debunking set point theory to pondering the complexities of internet fame and ethical responsibility, we cover it all, even indulging in a good old-fashioned rant about our pet peeves. So, if you're ready to confront the chaos of everyday life with a dose of positivity and self-love, tune in. We'll share a motivational boost, sprinkle in some life hacks, and maybe even inspire you to create that unique online identity just like Alex Allen (despite his common name). After all, navigating the fitness terrain is easier with a few laughs and the right company.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 32 of In Moderation, where we
bridge the gap between balanceand eating whatever the heck and
bob you want.
I like it.
Yeah, it's better than what wehave.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We don't even have a slogan we were just hoping you'd
come up with something for usthat's really it.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
There we go, we're solving it.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
And today we got Liam and Rob as guests on Alex's
podcast, on our own podcast,yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Today we break down Rob's wonderful outline that he
built on his wall.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He's like don't put that on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
No he said it.
So I told him, I literallyasked him.
I was like, is that a mustache?
And he was like no, it's a bowand arrow, but now he can't
unsee it.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It does look like a handlebar mustache.
That'd be sick.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Thank you, right there you go.
You're welcome.
Just open your eyes toeverything.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
No one's ever going to unsee that now I'm going to
have to redo my entire wall.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Why do you need to redo it?
A handlebar mustache fits Wellbits.
Well, now maybe I'll just leavethe handlebar mustache and turn
it into it like a beardunderneath it.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, there you go, see you on the wall, there we go
.
But now you gotta make themustache, you gotta go for it.
So today we got alex on thepodcast.
Alex, how, how you, how, how,how you doing I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I have plenty of energy, I I had a great week, so
you've got enough energy totake over the podcast for us.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
We're just.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I know you both come on and I was like I got you guys
both at like the highlight ofyour lives right now.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm always doing great.
There's never a time I'm notdoing great, except for what I'm
not so, alex, what do peopleknow you for, like what's your
deal, what's going on with you?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
People tend to know me for making ridiculous content
that's educational but thenalso entertaining to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
And high energy.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm very much known for having a lot of energy and
being very positive.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
And I'm also known for telling people who make
other people feel bad to fuckoff, so it's pretty much I know
a little bit about that that'smy favorite genre.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, I don't like bullies that's that's what I'm
known for, but I attack withlogic but you do.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Do you do like equal parts, like fitness and like
nutrition?
Is it mostly fitness or do youdo like nutrition?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
um, I'd say I honestly do mostly like body con
, like I'd say confidence, likemindset would actually be the
most of it.
And then it would be likehealth and fitness, like I do a
lot of.
I share all my workouts and mystories and stuff.
So I'm like prove that I, Ifitness, but you prove that
you're fitness I'm like Iactually work out guys, but then

(02:48):
, other than that, I tell peopleto be proud of their body and
take care of it and do goodthings.
So it's equal parts fitness,nutrition and mindset.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, speaking of mindset, just after I actually
booked you for the podcast, Ihad a bunch of requests for
people that wanted us to talkabout expectations.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh, I love expectations.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's a good one, because I don't think we really
talked about that too much.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah and yeah, a lot of people are worried about
having the wrong expectations,both going into exercise, but
then there's also people whohave the wrong expectations
regarding things like I know youdeal with PCOS and they think
just because they have PCOS,they can't possibly lose weight,

(03:42):
you know.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think that when it comes to
expectation setting, I think alot of people either hold
themselves to like a really highstandard and they think that
they need to do all the things,or they hold themselves to the
expectation of somebody else, sothey see what someone else is
doing and they think that theyshould be doing those things to

(04:03):
then be successful.
It's actually.
I feel like this is maybe agood example too, of someone
actually literally my questionbox today said what do you do
when you don't go to the gym andyou hate yourself for it after?
And I was like that's actuallya podcast.
Yes, but I was like that'sactually a lot more in depth
than you probably realized.

(04:24):
There's a lot to unpack there.
Because are you not going tothe gym?
Because you actually couldn't,you didn't have the time, you
didn't have the availability todo it, whether it's finances or
whatever it might be.
Or did you not go to the gymbecause of an excuse you were
too tired, and tired can be anumber of things.
That is a valid excuse.
Or it was like I just didn'tfeel like going today, so I

(04:49):
don't know why you didn't go.
First of all, so you need tofigure that out.
But second, regardless ofwhether it's like an actual
valid reason or it's somethingthat you kind of need to work
through for yourself, why do youhate yourself?
If you didn't have the time,the finances, whatever it might
be, that's not a valid reason tohate you.
But then also, if it was thefact that you just didn't go
because you just didn't feellike it, why are you hating
yourself for that?
That's not productive.

(05:10):
So instead ask yourself whydidn't you go?
If you say you want to go, okay, call yourself out on it, like
let's like set aside some time.
But I think that People oftenexpect greatness from mediocre
input.
I say that with love, but likeseriously because people are

(05:33):
like oh, I expect that I shouldbe losing weight, but I'm not
showing up consistently or doingthe things that I need to.
Or people are like I expect tolook like this person who's been
on their journey for 10 yearsand I just got started.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I think that a lot of that comes down to just the
expectations you place in thefirst spot, because that's what
I see from a lot of people isjust having these high
expectations.
I think a lot of thatdefinitely comes from, I don't
know, let's say, the Beachbodyads, like somebody lost like 40
pounds of fat and gained 80pounds of muscle in like a few
weeks or some like insane shit.
So you just kind of expect that.

(06:10):
So like, yeah, maybe there'sdefinitely a problem with
consistency and people just youknow, maybe aren't putting as
much work as they need to.
But also, if you have thesecrazy high expectations, you're
never going to reach it, nomatter how much work you put
into it never going to reach it,no matter how much work you put
into it.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and so I guess our I think it's up to kind of
people like us to put goodexpectations out there for
people like helping them kind of, because it's the thing if
we're not working one-on-onewith you, we can't tell you what
to expect from whatever it isthat you're doing.
We can try our best to guide you, but, like, ask yourself, if
you want to lose weight or youwant to change your body or you
want to build muscle or whateverit is, you probably have to do

(06:49):
certain things.
Maybe you have to move a littlebit more on a day-to-day basis.
Maybe you have to try and eat alittle bit more protein.
Maybe you do have to be reallyconsistent with the gym.
If you want to do apowerlifting meet or you want to
run a marathon, whatever it isthat you want to achieve is
going to require differenthabits on a day-to-day basis.
So we need to figure out whatit is that you actually want to

(07:11):
do and then we figure out whatare the expectations to set for
yourself and we ask ourselveswhat's actually reasonable and
realistic for you.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, one thing we can definitely do in terms of
general advice is.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I was like I'm so sorry, it's not general.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
But in general advice we can tell you that losing 30
pounds in 30 days is notrealistic.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, you can lose a lot of water real quick, but
yeah, as far as fat loss.
And that's where another issuekind of comes into place and it
tough, like where do you?
Yeah, like a lot of people,like I have no idea kind of
where to start, like what's, um,you know what I can do, and in
that case, keep you know, Idon't.
I don't have a problem with alow bar.
I don't have a problem with thelow expectations.

(07:58):
I'm gonna be honest.
I mean, that's how I got mywife is low expectations.
You have to set them as low aspossible and then you can
supersede that very easily.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
You just killed Alex.
You just killed Alex.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Listen, don't knock it until you try it.
It works.
So you know.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
basically, my point is For all the women out there
who are like the bars on thefloor.
Liam has said that I can stepover, that.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I can easily just walk right over it with minimal,
no effort, basically no effort,the smallest amount of effort,
and maybe you can kind of dothat with your nutrition,
whereas instead of, like I'mgoing to lose a pound of fat a
day, I'm going to my expectationis to eat more protein, is is
to get more fiber into my diet,is to add these things that I

(08:47):
know are beneficial for me, isto go from.
I mean, I have what 4000 stepsa day.
I'm doing that on average.
Maybe I can go to six.
You know, it's like that's nota huge jump, something like that
.
Instead of having this, I'mgoing to lose this much weight.
And you know what?
I don't know if I'm kind oflike jumping into shit, but it's
just kind of making me thinkabout it.

(09:07):
How, like we have these, likeyou just said.
The person who asked you, like Ifeel shitty about not going to
the gym or I feel shitty aboutnot doing this, and I think a
lot of that comes from like whatwe see out just in our day to
day life.
If you lose like weight quickly, right, you're going to get
comments about that, right.
If you do something quickly,you're gonna wow, you look

(09:29):
amazing.
So then you're like, oh, Igotta keep this up then.
So then you really have to kindof push the pedal to the metal
and whenever you make one smallmisstep or one, you know you
step backwards in some small way.
You're gonna get mad atyourself.
So it's kind of just thisself-feeding cycle.
I don't know, I'm just kind ofthinking about it yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
It's a hard thing to give a very precise answer to
when the reality is.
It really just does depend.
Because the expectation thatlike I have for myself is I get
10 to 12,000 steps a day.
I go to the gym four to fivetimes a week.
I eat at least 100 grams ofprotein every single day.
Like I have those expectationsof my health and fitness but

(10:06):
also I've been doing this foralmost 10 years Like it's really
easy.
I still have to put thoughtinto it.
Like I have to think aboutmaking sure I have a protein
source or like getting up andgoing for a walk, but it's
really easy for me to do that,Whereas somebody who's just
starting that's not a realisticexpectation.
If they only get like my dad,he works from home, he has a dog

(10:28):
, but he throws the ball for mydog all the time and I was like
hey dad how like much do youactually walks in a day?
And he was like, well, I walkCarson every single day.
And I'm like, yeah, but youthrow the ball the whole time
you're out there.
So I got him a step tracker.
Little did he realize he waswalking 3 000 steps a day.
And so to be like, hey dad,let's get 10 to 12 000 steps

(10:50):
would be super unrealistic.
And I'm like, how about,instead of throwing the ball
morning and night, you throw theball in the morning and then
you walk in the evening?
And that already doubled hissteps.
And so it's like theexpectation is very different
for him than it is for me.
There's a lot of talk about.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I was just going to say, like you know, when you
want to talk about likeachieving a physique is
difficult but maintaining it isa lot easier.
It's similar just with yourroutine, with everything.
It's like, once you kind ofhave things in place, like you
already have, you're like, oh,this is pretty easy, but jumping
to that immediately.
So yeah, like you already have,you're like, oh, this is pretty
easy, but jumping to thatimmediately.
So yeah, I like that One.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, one thing at a time, I like that One thing I
will say your expectations areway more impressive than mine.
My expectation is that I'mgoing to wake up at some point
every day, not necessarily inthe morning, just some point.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
The bar's on the floor and we love it.
Listen, I wake up at 4 pm.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I wake up and the day is basically over.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
And I still manage to do things guys.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
So you know like hey, look at me, I can do things.
We can all do things, if we putour mind to it.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, and the nice thing is, we all have different
expectations for ourselves, butwe all fitness, yeah, for
ourselves, but we all fitness,yeah, no, we all fit, we all fit
you.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Fitness, I fitness.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Everyone screams for fitness well, there's our next
shirt yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So yeah, I mean, I really think like just and
honestly, just writing it downat the beginning can just be
helpful.
I think it's.
I think it's a great idea justto have like a small little list
of, like you know, just littlegoals, little expectations you
have.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Start off.
Emphasis on the little.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, right, like you know, find, find a wife that
went through that you didthrough through tricking her and
stuff, and that's what you know.
And then you work down fromthere and you know, just put
that up on your fridge orsomething you know.
So you can see it Small goals,people, small goals.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
She's going to like listen back to this and be like
that's what he did.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
She doesn't listen or watch to anything I do, it's
totally fine.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
She never says anything.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I say it's totally free and no problems.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
she never said anything.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I say it's totally free and no problems.
I don't.
I'm gonna be honest, I don'tremember where we started with
anything welcome to in liam'sdating life I achieved, I
checked that I was like it'salready done I'm over and now I

(13:32):
let my body go to shit.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Um no but like seriously just once you get like
a little routine going, it'sreally not that bad.
so, yeah, just, uh, you know,start off with so.
And I like the step thing.
Like that's such a like thestep thing is such like an easy
thing, right.
Like you can just be like, okay, let me just try and get a few
more steps during the day I canpeople can usually find some way
to get that in.
But also like when it comes toyour diet, I like one meal, like

(13:56):
, okay, let's just do one meal.
I mean, I don't care, you canstart small One meal one day of
the week, even, like just justsomething.
Maybe you do like one meal prepor something like that, where
you get a few meals, just startsomewhere and you can always
just build up from there.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, usually we'll have people start with like the
three M's of like mind, mouthand movement, and if you're like
, if you can do one thing ineach of those and again
obviously we figure out what itmakes sense for that person
where they're at but, like, themost basic of basic is hey, can
you do a 10 minute walk today,can you do like 30 grams of

(14:31):
protein first thing in themorning, and like we'll figure
it out how you can do that, orat least have a protein source
in the morning for breakfast.
And then for your mind it'slike, can you just say something
nice to yourself, Like please.
And so it's like, can you justsay something nice to yourself,
like please.
And so it's like it could bethat basic and that's like that
if you can do those three thingsin the morning, you're already
winning the day.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I really think I want to recall dieting mindful mouth
movements now I'm just givingyou guys a ton of I.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I request, like a little kickback from any of the
merch that you guys make fromany of this listen once, once we
start grifting because, trustme, we've talked a lot on this
podcast about how we're going todo that.
We've got many plans, we've gotthat stuff.
That's where the money's goingto come from, don't worry.
But I like the idea of startingin the morning, because it's
always to get the ball rollingright.

(15:19):
Once you really get startedwith that, you get a little bit
more confidence, you feel alittle bit more confidence, you
feel a little bit better.
So if you can start off withsomething in the morning, like
if you are going to start withone meal okay, 30 grams of
protein at breakfast love that.
Like, how can we do that?
Oh, I like yogurt, I like eggs,I like whatever you know, just
just something beans and toast,what's that?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
it's a beans and toast oh man, she said the magic
word beans.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I sent him a video and then I saw that he'd already
liked it, so I unsent itbecause I was like I don't want
to.
I was literally like, oh, he'salready liked it.
I don't want to like fill hisDMs and stuff.
But it was this guy singinglike a bean song and I was like,
and then I would check to thecomments and I was like, oh, he
has like a million tags in this.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Ohtone, I'm not joking.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I'm calling you.
I've got my volume.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think I got my volume up.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Why was your volume already still up?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
What I think I got it not on silence is what I was
trying to say.
Words are tough.
Nine.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's giving me the.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You're calling a US number.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
There it goes.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh, I hit the plus to turn it up.
Do it again.
Do it again, run it back.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
God damn it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Making me look stupid .
I was trying to turn the volumeup, but it doesn't work.
Okay, you're calling fromCanada.
Okay, it takes like 10 minutesto actually reach me yeah, yeah,
the connection has to, you know, go over there no way you
actually made that ringtoneancient legumes look at that you

(17:01):
know how fucking long that took, holy shit, like I had to go
into YouTube, download itthrough this third party, like
clip it out and then add itsomewhere else and extract that.
I spent like 10 minutes onYouTube just like trying to
figure this shit out.
Anyway, totally worth it.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I was going to say I would have done it in like one
minute.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I don't know how to fucking technology, Okay, listen
, I barely know how to woman.
Now the beans.
Beans are great.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
wait you barely know how to date women, or you barely
know how to be a woman.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
He's like I'm lucky I got here having a child, luck.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Actually it's not a whole lot of listen getting a
woman being a woman, it's allsound, it's, I don't know.
Listen, I am a tall white man,my life is easy.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Who's on board for the Liam drag show?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm charging at least something for that.
Now, yeah, like, whatever youcan do to get protein at
breakfast to back to what normalpeople talk about is great.
Like, as you know, can uh, likeyou know, like I love oats in
like just like some proteinpowder.
Protein powder makes it easy.
You don't need it, but like youjust throw that in the morning
overnight oats.
I recently did a thing whereit's like you put fruit in a cup

(18:15):
and then you add like kind ofan overnight oat situation, so
you blend up oats and likealmond milk and yogurt and then
you top that with like uh,chocolate you're going to like
melt chocolate with like coconutoil and then it like gets the
little shell and that's likeactually super nice.
And then you can prep that forlike three days and you just got
that for like you just take itout of the fridge and you can
heat it if you want or whatever.
Just usually just eat it likethat and you know, just setting

(18:38):
yourself up for some type ofprotein, some type of fiber at
breakfast.
Let me tell you something holyshit, I eat like oats and like
chia seeds in the morning.
I'm full for like hours likeI'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's just like the fiber and the protein and
whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like I'm like I'm not hungry until four or five hours
later yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I prefer to cook my peasant oats with uh egg whites.
I replace the water with eggwhites yeah, that's a good cheat
code.
That's an easy, same thing.
You throw some extra chia seedsin there.
If you want extra fiber andstuff, chia seeds, throw chia
seeds and fucking anything.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm telling you just makes you feel fuller, like it's
fucking not throw it on yourpizza anyway.
I uh the crunch crunch.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Don't do that I'm here to say don't do that all
right, I'm also team any food asa breakfast food if you choose
to eat it for breakfast.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I like that.
Because yeah like, whatever youlike.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, people can overthink it and I'm like I have
sandwiches for breakfast,sometimes Not with an egg on it.
I'm not turning it into a eggbreakfast sandwich.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's not fucking bougie here, holy shit, like a
sunny side up.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Like you just eat a different protein with it.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You now have tacos for breakfast, but anyway, there
you go that's my however, youcan set your day up so like,
just that's what I would startwith.
Honestly, if you're like don'tknow where to start, I think
just starting like withbreakfast and somehow how to get
protein and fiber into it.
Because a lot of people tell melike, oh, I don't have time for

(20:13):
breakfast, I'm like, do youhave time before then just to
prep something like you know?
Oh, you know, it's anotherreally good one.
You get the vanilla Greekyogurt, so they have like oikos,
like triple zeros, or I usuallyjust get a walmart brand
because it's fucking cheaper andI'm cheap.
I asked my wife and so then Imix in um peanut butter powder,

(20:33):
powdered peanut butter, and thentwo pbc yeah, pb2, pb, fit,
whatever it is and then it'slike sweet and super high in
protein.
You even get a little bit offiber from the peanut butter
powder, and then I'll top againusually with like a chocolate
shell on top, and then you throwthat in the fridge like two,
three days easily, and then youjust have that for breakfast.
It's like super easy, just likeyou know, set yourself up some

(20:54):
way.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
That's all it takes so let's dive for a second into
the uh to switch topics on liam,because liam could probably go
on for hours.
He's like I'm gonna give youpretty much any topic, give me
anything, I'll just fucking rant.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I don't know shit about it go ahead, he's like I
don't know for a second you wantto talk about blockbuster.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
What was it okay, so block the first Blockbuster I
ever remember going in.
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Into the mind blank now because of Liam.
We want to talk aboutBlockbuster.
I know Did you know?
Blockbuster had the opportunityto buy Netflix twice.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
They had the opportunity to buy Netflix twice
and they turned them down.
If you ever feel shitty aboutyourself, think about that and
then plan your breakfast.
Go ahead, Rob.
What were you saying?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
The unrealistic expectations set by social media
.
Like you can lose this much fatin this much time, you can put
on this much muscle in this muchtime, because we get bombarded
by that.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Oh, that's not surprising.
It's because everyone tells youthat, well, there's also the
whole people editing theirvideos and photos and things too
, so you don't even know whatpeople actually look like.
So you're comparing yourself tosomeone that doesn't even
actually exist.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
But I think that when it comes to expectation setting
, when it like in that sense, orlike are you saying the
expectations or comparisons nowto online well, well, the
expectation that when you seesomebody who had a before and
after photo and they're like, oh, this person lost 40 pounds in
two weeks, I feel like I shouldbe able to do that Now.

(22:34):
I have an unrealisticexpectation.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, I mean that's hard to necessarily say how to,
because some people will postjust a normal before and after,
because obviously you gave avery drastic weight loss If it
sounds too good to be true.
As much as I'm an optimist and Ibelieve in being excited about
things, it might be too good tobe true, and so I think that

(23:01):
kind of setting yourself up for,like, what could I actually
sustain?
Like I always tell people, likeif you can't do it for more
than 10 weeks, you probablyshouldn't do it for more than 10
days Because it's like you'reprobably not going to be able to
keep doing that, whatever itwas.
To lose 40 pounds in two weeksHoly I get that so much.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
When people say keto like, but keto works for me Like
, are you going to do it for therest of your life?
Yeah, like.
They look at me like well, no,and I'm like what?
Well then, what's the plan?
What's the long-term plan here?
Just up and down constantly?
Isn't it worse to just gain 40pounds and lose 40 pounds over
and over again?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I feel like that's just worse and subject yourself
to torture for half the time asyou eat keto.
What's interesting?
Again, I feel like that's justworse and subject yourself to
torture for half the time as youeat keto.
What's?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
interesting is I feel like a lot of people don't mind
the rigidity in the moment.
Obviously they get to like abreaking point where they're
like I hate this, I don't wantto do this ever again, but
during it they're like I'm finewith some like short-term
suffering because I'm gettingsome quick results and some
dopamine hits from seeing thescale go down.
Right, exactly, yeah, so it'slike, and for some, not to that

(24:05):
extreme, but for some people,seeing more expedited weight
loss can be helpful to be moremotivated on your journey, and
so maybe doing something that isa little bit more not that
rigid or strict by any means,but doing something to kind of
expedite seeing results canactually help people be like
okay, you're right.
Like I am seeing things likechange, things change, all right

(24:26):
, cool.
So now we need to work onactually building those
sustainable habits into this.
But then also you have to havesomebody, or at least have an
idea before you go into it, that, like I know what I'm doing
right now is not what I'm goingto do for the rest of my life.
So I need to figure out how Ican actually maintain it.
Because I mean, as you guys know, we don't have a weight loss

(24:47):
problem in America anyways.
Like people lose weight all thetime.
That's not the issue.
People don't know how to keepit off.
And then again they haveunrealistic expectations about
what happens after the dietbecause they think that they can
just go back to doing whateverthey did before.
So they're equating theirmaintenance with oh yeah, like
my maintenance means I gainweight and it's like, well, no,

(25:09):
you actually aren't atmaintenance.
Those are the habits that gotyou to wherever you didn't want
to be anyways.
So we actually have to changewhatever your lifestyle was to
kind of fit whatever you say,you want to look or feel like
lifestyle was to kind of fit.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Whatever you say, you want to look or feel like kind
of random, and if you ask me interms of, um, yep, he's, that's
his pondering face, he's,there's a rant coming.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's brilliant I was like, oh gosh, what did I say?
Constant state.
You're talking aboutmaintenance.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's my maintenance if you ask me in regards to
realistic expectations and goals, realistically, you can lose a
pound of fat a week.
Can you do more than that?
Of course, and there'sdifferent expectations there,
but the further you drift awayfrom that, the more unrealistic

(25:58):
it's going to be, the harderit's going to be to sustain.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think what is hard so this is what sucks, I think,
about bringing me on a podcastis because I am always the it
depends person, because I'mgoing to say, like cause you
just said like you could loseand I'm not saying you're wrong
by any means, but like you said,you can lose a pound per week
but that really heavily dependson the person.
Some people have a very skewedperception.

(26:22):
Like I've worked with someonewho she was like five, four,
she's 125 pounds and she wantsto lose weight and I'm like you
don't really have weight to lose, that's what I see looking at
her.
But she believes she truly does, because she has a skewed
perception of her body andrelationship with food and
relationship with herself.
And so like that's where it'sreally important to remind

(26:44):
people to like just because youwant to lose weight or you think
you want to lose weight doesn'talso necessarily mean that like
you should.
And also just because you canlose like anywhere from like 0.5
to two pounds of body fat perweek and that's okay, it's a
general concept for like,depending Cause.

(27:07):
Like if somebody is 300 pluspounds, yeah, you can lose more
weight more quickly because youhave more weight to lose, but if
you're leaner, it's going to beslower.
And also, if you are resistancetraining, at the same time
feeling yourself well, you mayfind that you're not losing
weight as consistently, but youare still losing fat and
building muscle and also youmight just be feeling better on

(27:30):
a day-to-day basis, which couldalso be a win which, like people
don't like to like accept.
I did a video where I wasliterally like this is the worst
client transformation storyever, because and then I go down
the fact that she's now thesame exact weight as when she
started, but she started outtraining seven days a week.
This is what she came to mewith Seven days a week, eating

(27:51):
1,200 calories a day.
She never went out with herfamily.
She was terrified of going outto eat meals.
Now she's training five days aweek.
She's not doing any cardio.
She's eating 1,800 to 2,000calories a day.
She's going out with her familyand actually enjoying herself
and she's actually spending moretime out of the gym and
spending time with her familyand her husband.

(28:13):
It's a shitty transformationstory because she kind of like
looks a little bit different,but she doesn't have this crazy
weight loss transformationthat's super sexy to the eyes of
social media, but she's happier.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, we talked a lot when he came on this podcast
about, like, just having goalsthat aren't weight loss.
Yeah, it's just a great thingto have other goals, just like
you said feeling better, I don'tknow sleeping better, having
better connections with family,whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
And it's definitely important to stress that
everything's individualized.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
And that some people the goal shouldn't be to lose
weight.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Let me ask you, Alex, like what's your kind of take
on set point theory?
Have you heard?
I'm sure you've heard.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I have heard of set point theory.
Have you heard you?
I'm sure I have heard of setpoint theory.
I haven't delved like crazydeep into it, to be fair, but I
guess my just general opinionfrom it is the fact that, like,
I know that if I walk less andeat more I'm going to gain
weight, and I wouldn't say thatthat necessarily means that

(29:23):
that's my set point.
I would say that it just meansthat I to be in a body that I
feel good at, not just even likelooks wise, but also just feel
better in, like have more energyin and feel stronger in.
I do like to move more and I dolike to eat this amount.

(29:43):
So I think part of it.
I think that actually weirdlyenough, kind of goes into
expectations because, like, ifyou say somebody has a set point
, are you kind of in my head?
I'm like does this set pointmean that this person can't
change that by moving?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
more.
By the way, the set point isyou have like a.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I should probably tell people if you have a weight
that your body wants to be atLike there's a specific.
Yeah, I don't really agree withthat, just because, no, I mean,
I think it's been mostly likedisproven.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I'm just saying like I'm just kind of for me me.
I don't because anyone can likechange your weight right, like
you know, through doing buteating more, eating less, moving
more, moving less whatever.
But like I do think there istruth in that kind of like
everyone has, like what somepeople term like a settling
point where there's just kind ofa range where you kind of feel
best, which, like for me, if Iget below 180, I start to feel

(30:41):
lethargic and just not so great.
And then if I get above, liketwo, if I get close to 200, over
200, and again I start to feela little sluggish, then it's
anywhere in that like kind of20-ish pound range I feel pretty
good.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So what you're saying is your set point is a healthy
amount of body fat.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes, for me.
However, I do think there istruth in some people.
They just kind of have this,their body kind of wants them to
be at like a different weight,because everybody, you know, of
course, is different, and that'snot saying they can't push
themselves outside of that range, but it just becomes
exponentially more difficult themore they push themselves
outside of that range.

(31:21):
You know, some people have justa larger appetite, you know.
Whatever, you know lowermetabolism.
Whatever you know, whatever thereasons are, but you also gave
a great point.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
There was like some people just have a larger
appetite, so it's liketechnically they then like could
just ignore whatever theirhunger cues were and then try to
just shift it that way.
So it's not necessarily likethey.
I I think yes and no with setpoint theory only because I mean

(31:53):
I, I I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
They have a range like I I get like I agree
there's.
I don't believe people, justlike I have a specific weight
that they have to be, but like Ido think, just like there is
individuality.
Like you're saying, it dependsAll of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, and I also.
To me with set point theory.
The main point is if I was, ifyou, let's say if you were rich,
would you be more likely tomove less and eat more compared
to somebody who's poor, can'tafford food?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
so are you saying like, because, well,
socioeconomic factors alwaysplay a role?
But technically I get whatyou're saying, though, because
technically that I'm losing outtheory and now puts it on okay,
you are too.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'll make sure you are as well oh, is everyone
frozen?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
am I frozen?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
we're we're losing you we're getting pieces and
it's starting and then it'sstopping, like I don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yes, oh sorry I was just saying socioeconomic
factors do play a role, but thentechnically doesn't that not
necessarily mean that set pointtheory, that's just what is
accessible to them?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
but like take a look, if you look at someone like
oprah, say, like she has all themoney in the world, like
literally all the money, and yetshe still struggles with her
weight, right?
So I feel like that goes toshow you it's not always just
like you know, in terms of money.
It can be just somebody's theirbody wants them to be, maybe on
the heavier side, maybe on thelighter side.
You know, I, I don't know, Ijust I find the whole you know

(33:27):
theory interesting, I guess youended it.
You're like okay yeah, that's my, that's my thought it's.
It's interesting.
I don't know exactly how I feel.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah I mean there's.
I just I don't know exactly howI feel.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I mean there's also I don't like it because by
all means set point theory meansit should be set, there should
be a set weight, but it's sovariable, there's so many things
that can vary where that setpoint is, and it moves all over
the place.
In fact, some people who defendset point theory are like, well
, yeah, it moves to this otherset point.

(34:03):
Well then, it's not a set pointif it moved.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Giving people validation for potential excuses
, and that's not to say thatlike people don't try hard or

(34:27):
that like we shouldn't modifythings to everyone.
I always that's actually what Iwant to do, but I don't want to
feed into.
I always tread really lightlyon trying not to like.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
That's an excellent freeze frame up right there.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I was like no, I froze.
My internet is always great.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I don't know what's happening I'm supposed to be the
one living rural with crappyinternet no, I'm in texas and I
was looking at internet theother day.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I was like how do?

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I get faster internet .
We're always just looking for.
You know we live in the 21stcentury.
I want instant gratificationright now.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
God damn it um xfinity sucks, but yeah, so like
so loud on your body.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I totally agree sucks I totally agree with what
you're saying, though is becauseI don't want people to think,
because it goes back to what yousaid, like pcos, you know.
I don't want people to say, oh,I have this, uh, you know
condition, or I have this setpoint, so there's no point, I'm
not even gonna try yeah like Idon't want.
I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's not great yeah , and that's the other end of
the unrealistic expectations.
Right there is thinking thatbecause you have some sort of
condition or something and yousee other people on social media
complaining that they have itand they can't lose weight,
thinking that you also can'tlose weight, yeah, or do
something else, you know, notnecessarily lose weight yeah

(35:42):
okay, listen, I think we've doneenough positive shit.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Now we're like half an hour into the episode.
I've seen you do some Bobbyvideos and, holy shit, I've been
getting asked by so many peopleto do like to talk about this
shit.
I was at the thrift store liketwo days ago and someone walked
by me and I saw him like give mea quick look and I was like, oh
, he, he's probably gonna saysomething.
He's like hey, you're the guythat goes after Bobby.
I was like, yeah, I guess thatis literally.
I was like, okay.
So he's like can I get apicture?

(36:06):
I'm gonna put this on Instagramand I'm like okay, apparently
people really want to talk likeme to talk about it and like
I've just been doing less videosbecause it's just like, oh,
this shit again going over it.
So I'm like making the wholevideo and editing.
It's just oh, I don't want todo it, but sitting here and just

(36:27):
complaining sounds like fun.
So, like, what's your?
What's, alex, how you doing?
Uh, what's your like?
I saw you do the like.
I used your little video whereyou pretend to be on like a date
with like him and like thedunkin donuts.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
That shit was pretty funny, dunkin that shit was
pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
So like yeah, what's?
Yeah, what's your take on olduh bobbykins, as I think?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
he, I think my internet's going out.
No, I'm just kidding um, Ithink See you later Frozen.
No, so I don't like fearmongering and I don't like
people who exploit people'sinsecurities or fears for
financial gain.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
And oh, her internet did actually go.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I'm going to give it a second.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Rats.
She jinxed herself on that one.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I literally was like oh, you guys actually did freeze
.
Let me just hold on a second.
But I don't like fear mongeringand I don't like when people
exploit other people'sinsecurities for their own
financial gain.
And it seems I don't know forsure, but it seems like that is
something that he may do quitefrequently, so I don't like it

(37:45):
this is going to be a fun one toedit because, it's actually
going to have what she's sayingin her freeze oh okay, so we
should just shut up like whenshe's, when she freezes.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
We just shut up and we'll just wait a second, and
then it'll be easier to edit.
So we're not constantlyinterrupting.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Well, I mean, we won't know what she says half
the time.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
No, but we'll just pretend like she didn't talk and
we'll just start our own thing.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I'm very good at mansplaining.
I can just do that.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
No problem.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I literally did a podcast earlier and had no
problems.
Zero, so I oh, so it's us Ithink it's, I think you guys, I
think it's your dual badinternet which is the problem.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So that's my thoughts on bobby.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Did you actually hear any of them?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
oh we heard a lot of it.
Yeah, so I mean, it's just likeI I think people enjoy just
kind of like listening.
It's just because I think thething is like we're all
frustrated right With like thefear mongers and shit like that,
like we all know like what thegood shit is for us to do and
you know, like it's just we'reall upset and that's why I

(39:00):
basically yell in a lot of myvideos and on podcasts because
it's just basically catharticfor people to be like yes,
fucking, finally, I'm just tiredof that.
So you know, I just like whatare some highlights?
Hey guys, what's some of yourfavorites?
Let's all just fucking chatlike what are some of your fun
favorite highlights from yourtime?
Not even just Bobby, just likeany like you know, like grifter
history, what do you got like?
What's some of your favoritemoments you look back on Like,

(39:21):
oh, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Are you saying, like people we don't like?
Yeah, pretty much yeah.
Oh, there's like a whole thingabout-.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
This is our time to just get upset about things and
just like, let it out, it's rent, time Rent o'clock.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I love, I really fucking hate.
There's this girl who says noone wants to be the fat mom and
she makes me viscerally angrybecause I'm like shut the fuck
up, because that's just rude, no, seriously, because I'm like
that's just.
She literally was like shouting, so she was doing what you do,
but except she wasn't actuallybeing nice she was being an
asshole, and so she's just like.
nobody wants to be the fat mom,nobody wants to be the mom who's

(39:58):
fat on the beach and theirhusband doesn't want to touch
them.
And I was, like, what is wrongwith you?
Like, what are you?
Are you okay?
Like, is your husband mean toyou?
Is he telling you not to be fat?
Like, is that what's happening?
And then there's also people.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I mean it does sound like her husband doesn't want to
touch her.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I was like that's.
I was like you are suppressingsome things right now, but then
there's also the whole.
There's a whole movement rightnow where people are telling
pregnant women that if they'reworried about gaining weight,
they have the solution for them.
And I was like are you aware ofwhat happens when you have a
baby growing inside of you?

(40:36):
And so that's what I hate rightnow.
I also don't like the guy whodrinks his pee.
I don't have a problem with him, I just think that that's weird
Personally.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
What about the guy that drinks his pee or injects
his pee?
Injects his pee, cause that'sdifferent.
No, there's a guy that injectshis pee.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
No.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I did the same dating video except I did it for this
guy.
Yeah, I did see that.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
No, no, I did see that actually, and it was like,
well, now you need to do adating video with the guy that
injects his pee, does heactually?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
What do you mean?
No, that's real.
We're not making.
Trust me, where's crazier shit?
Yeah, no, that's 100% real.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
He injects it in his body.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yes, I don't know, like alcohol or something and
then injects it.
Yeah, no, that'd be Dave.
That's the biohacker that'strying.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Oh, that's the guy like I think I saw on Mallory's
video.
She's great, she was like there.
Dave Asprey, I think, has likeum, uh, like celebration at 180.
Like when we turn 180, we'llhave a celebration.
He sells like tickets for itand I'm like that's the fucking
greatest shit ever.
Like that's.
I mean, how smart is that?
Be like listen, you buy aticket now and when we're 180

(41:44):
years old we can celebrate.
How fucking great is that?
You just walk away with money.
That's amazing.
I'm mad I didn't think of it.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
It's like that's almost like timeshares but for
life it's worse than even,because you get literally
nothing occasionally you canwork something out.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's just, it's ridiculous yeah, no, no, I'm.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
He really injects himself with his pee.
I'm really like having an issuewith this, because that's a
like what is it?
What's the benefit to it?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
is he saying there has to be a reason.
This is a says is a benefit,I'm sure, Like probably
inflammation.
Probably better forinflammation is my guess.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, I'm really distraught by that.
Maybe it's good for yourmetabolism.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I think it increases your vitality.
Is what it does.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, is that what it does?
Are you going to go tell yourwife that?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
You can use whatever fucking flashy terms you want,
it's want it's great for that.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
So you know, what I have a fucking problem with and
I'm so tired of is the band.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
In other countries we've all seen that we've all
gone over so many.
It's so guys, guys, and it'salways the same five things,
it's always these few things.
And I I literally just I havemy dms are just people like what
about guys?
What about this thing that'sbanned in japan?
I'm like what's a?
Like holy shit.
Like there.
There's 18 kajillion countriesout there and they all have
their own rules on shit andthey're all trying to make money
in the ways they can.
So, like why does fucking youknow, like England not use high

(43:10):
fructose corn syrup?
Because we have fucked tons ofcorn here, people.
So we use high fructose cornsyrup.
They use use high fructose cornsyrup.
They use beets because theyhave beets.
And yet now I get people goinglike uh, we're fat in america
because a high fructose cornsyrup, it's fucking sugar.
People, calm the fuck, don'teat too much.
Problem solved like it's likein moderation.

(43:31):
We named our whole podcast that, yet you can't get this shit
through your goddamn head.
And I'm I'm tired of the.
It's banned in other countrieshow you doing spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It's not banned in japan, why do?

Speaker 2 (43:42):
you know, that I always get, like you know, and
even, and, it's, and, and, tokeep going to because I have to
it's.
It's not even like a lot of thetimes.
It's not even true like howmany times you've seen like
aspartame is banned in othercountries, which countries which
countries aspartame banded.
You can't name any.
Oh, that's interesting becauseit's fucking not like.
It's, it's available widely inlike 50 different countries,

(44:05):
like all of europe.
Like, what are you talkingabout?
Even it's like, and it's justsuch this confirmation bias,
because they've already decidedthe thing is bad and they're
just looking for goddamn anyreason that it could possibly be
bad.
And they and their minds are sosimple all they can latch on to
is one idea like it's banned.

(44:27):
That's all they can do.
You, uh, what?
As soon as you say, like, whatabout any research or any
evidence?
Fuck that, they're already out.
They just want a simple reason.
And it's, and it's banned fitsthat bill.
That's all it is, and I'mexhausted I'm particular.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I particularly love when they say something's banned
in canada and I'm sitting herelike no, it's not I have it
right, you oh you need acompilation of just like having
the things like they say it'sbanned like oh, I got it right
here that many people arguingabout things being banned and
different like yes, oh it isit's like?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
it's oh it's like ban .
Talk like it's like water talkbut it's got its own fucking
talk like it's just so the, theI went to another country over
and over again it's.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I see that one.
I ate the same foods in anothercountry and I lost weight and
that's that's the popular one,and I'm like, oh, but that's not
.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
That's not why it wasn't suddenly like a quote
cleaner food hey, numpty overthere thinking that here's the
thing, fucking europe hassmaller portions for things like
you go to europe and you'relike what, where is like is this
for?
Like a child like I'm used togetting four times as much in
america.
It's served on this big assbowl with like a scoop so you

(45:40):
can just shovel it into yourmouth.
And in Europe they just havesmaller portions and they walk
more.
I eat the same foods over there, oh, in smaller amounts, and
you walked more and you lostweight.
Please break that down for me,because my simple mind can't
understand that.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I love the people that they go on vacation and
they they don't realize they'reon vacation.
Yeah, you're going to be moved,you're.
Are you just sitting therewatching tv on vacation?
No, or are you going to museumsand historical sites or
visiting people or whatever?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I swam all day and then I feel better and I lost
weight.
What that that's so crazy Like?
Tell me all about it.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean, I often go on vacation to just sit in the
hotel and watch TV whileshoveling giant pizzas in my
mouth.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
That's the Canadian vacation.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Well, no, that's when I take a vacation down to
America.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You're from Canada and you go somewhere else and
you're just a canadian, soyou're all you're I'm gonna go
visit liam, and that's what I'mgonna do.
I'm just gonna sit there infront of tv and oh so, yeah,
that's the shit like I'm just soexhausted for.
And it's gotten to the pointwhere I just like direct them to

(46:57):
food science babe and just like, hey, just go fucking watch her
videos, because she doesin-depth analysis and it's great
, and I just can't, I can't doit anymore so what do you
actually enjoy talking aboutthen?
um, let's see, I like talking.
I mean pretty much I.
I when I, in terms of just likemaking videos, I love finding

(47:18):
kind of like new, like differentlittle recipes or little hacks.
Like, oh, if you mix this andthat, I did one with the
low-carb wrap and then you putmixed cottage cheese and eggs
and you put it in the low-carbwrap and you put cheese and
toppings or whatever you want ina little container that'll hold
it and then you bake it and youjust bake it and it's kind of
like a quiche.
Kind of like a quiche but not aquiche.

(47:39):
It's kind of like that.
But you get fiber and you getprotein and you know you can
actually have it for like acouple days.
It's not the greatest thesecond day, I will admit, but
it's still like pretty good.
You reheat it, put a littlelike sriracha or some shit on
there or whatever, some hotsauce and I put like goat cheese
and sun-dried tomatoes.
So good, that's like one of myfavorite things, like so finding
those things.
I enjoy that.
And then the bad shit.

(48:00):
I just have to yell about itbecause that's the only way I
feel slightly better too longdidn't read.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
He likes talking about food he can eat instead of
food he's supposed to be afraidof pretty like.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's basically is is a mix of my
channel, really right, like justyelling about shit, that's
annoying, and then be like, hey,cool, but what about this?
Like ice cream?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
that's like cool there we go this is cool yeah,
that's fun.
Oh, I actually didn't evenrealize you had a normal mug.
I always thought you had thefuck me sideways one uh, I got a
few mugs.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
This one, like as far , this one's like a good
mythical morning thing which,like it's some guys on youtube
and they do dumb stuff and Ilike it.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's funny they do they do the food stuff.
They like they.
They like they do the foodstuff.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, I like food stuff, I like fun.
It's so let me can I just sayit's so fucking nice.
It's so nice to go from likethe shit that I have to deal
with like on and getting taggedand whatnot, and then I go to
another channel where people arejust like what if we put this
blue thing in this red thing andwe ate it?
And no one's like fuckingfreaked out about it and it's
just like.
They just do it, they just livetheir goddamn life and I'm like

(49:07):
that's fantastic, like that'samazing, and they're not
constantly worried about allthese like fucking little
ingredients.
Worrying about that shit is'sgonna kill you long before
yellow five, where the fuckyou're worried about go ahead
have you ever thought that maybeyou can just talk about that
stuff like fun?
oh well, I mean I, I feelcompelled, I I've already

(49:29):
started.
So like my soul is like alreadypartly in it and I have to go
back to this well of despair, atleast you know, I don't know a
couple times a week or so.
And but also yelling aboutthings makes me feel better
because I see it all the time.
So when I yell I feel betterabout it.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's fair.
I've realized I'm on adifferent side of the internet
than a lot of people.
I get sent dumb videos often,but, like most often, people are
like you've made me feel sogood about myself and I'm like
thanks, that's all I care about.
Oh no, you guys froze again.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
No, you froze.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I know it was me, it's fine, but I was saying that
I mostly get people who arelike you made me feel so good
about myself, you make the gymseem like such a fun place and
I'm like thanks, guys, and I'mlike beings who are just grouchy
and I'm not saying you'regrouchy by any means, I'm just
saying I'm sorry that you haveto deal with so many grouchy
humans on the internet.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, so that's why we have grouchy for about 30
minutes on the on the podcastand then he gets it out well,
you're grouchy because you don'tlike.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
You don't like the, the bad people online who are
making the other people scaredof the things for no reason,
which is understandable,understandable.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And it is really enjoyable to get people to be
like I used to be afraid of,like every food.
And now I just like eat andit's cool.
I'm like that makes me feelbetter than anything, cause it's
just like I was told that 1200calories is going to make me fat
and ruin my metabolism and I'mlike, okay, well, no, but like
also, you shouldn, you shouldn'teat that, because that's not a
good idea for most people.

(50:58):
And then, yeah, like they feelbetter after that.
I'm like cool, like that's now,just try this cool quiche thing
and have some ice cream.
Bye.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
See, that's a great balance.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Rob, did you ever say the thing that hurts you?
All the centenarians, all ofthem, have like the same things
in common they didn't care, theydidn't worry about food, they
didn't worry about all thesethings.
They just lived a worry-freelife where they socialized, had
fun, yeah, and they live to be100 again they.
They move a lot throughout theday dave asprey, and he's

(51:35):
injecting his own urine thebiohackers are just such an
interesting group of people it'sand it's.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Isn't it so strange, like how all these like
additives and things areterrible for us, except in these
like supplements that are nowthe best thing for us, like
there's just these differentgroups and there's this venn
diagram where they kind ofoverlap in certain areas, but
like, yeah, it's, I don't knowlike biohackers are just strange
to me I froze again, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Um, isn't it like the nobel?
I'm like, isn't it like thenobel prize theory or something
where the more that people learnlike gain knowledge, then
eventually they kind of likeveer off into then believing
random stuff?
Oh, I froze again.
How is?
My internet this bad?
How is my internet this bad?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I've never had this problem before in my life I
heard nobel prize and the moreknowledge they learned, the.
And then just stopped.
I'm like, okay, the moreknowledge they learn, that's
what's important.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
The more knowledge they start to have and the more
they start to veer off the morethey start to veer off into like
kind of crystals, and I don'twant to say anything else
because I don't want to getother people mad at me for like
not really believing in thethings that they believe in, but
they kind of like questionablethings like that.
And so I feel like that's wherea lot of the biohackers are, is

(52:54):
like they start with goodintentions and then slowly
they're like oh, but then there,then there's all these things.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So what do you?
Do you think that these likegrifters that start off?
They start off with like I'mgoing to make as much money as
fucking possible and screweveryone else who cares.
Or are they just saying they gointo it with the good
intentions but slowly theyrealize how much money they can
make and how little they careabout other people and they just
kind of move more into themoney making situation and I
know it's going to be a littlepercentage of both.

(53:21):
Like some people do this, somepeople do that.
But do you think it's more likeone or the other?
Is it like a mix?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Maybe it's the optimist in me.
I want to believe that theycame from a good place initially
and then slowly they just gotveered into the land of making
lots of money off of poor,unsuspecting humans, because
I've seen that with.
To be fair, like I've seen thatwith a lot of coaches, or like
a lot of people in the fitnessindustry, they start their
fitness journey because theywant to feel better.

(53:49):
They start sharing theirjourney because they're like, oh
my gosh, it made me feel sogood, I can help you feel good.
And then they're like oh, I canactually make a lot of money
off this.
And then they do, and then theyscrew people over.
So I think that if you everteetered on the ethics scale, I
think the fast cash grab can endup pushing people on that other

(54:13):
side if their values and moralswere already questionable.
But it doesn't mean they're badpeople.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Rob, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Well, you know, interestingly enough, looking
back at, I went through Bobby'shistory a little bit when I was
doing the video where I wasfiguring out what all he had his
hands in.
Yeah, right, right, I rememberthat.
And you go back in Bobby'shistory far enough, you know he
was just making plain oldcooking videos, yeah.
And then he started makingmoney off that and he slowly

(54:48):
drifted more and more towardsgrifting rather than making the
cooking videos.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I think he's like.
I think definitely an exampleof like.
Yeah, just like, oh, I'm gonnado some recipes and help people
and then maybe they just startsmelling their farts more and
more and they get like in otherpeople, like in their circle,
and they like, I don't know,like, because, like you can fall
into any circle it's socialmedia, right.
You can find flat earthers ifyou're looking, like you can,
you can fall into anything youwant so maybe they just had

(55:14):
brendan on.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
He told us like he didn't give us the actual number
, but he told us that he hadoffers from like the people
selling wine and he said theywere significantly high.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Right, exactly.
So I think, you slowly fallinto that and then you get
offered money and it's just like, well, yeah, I'm going to take
this, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I think that is what it is.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Good night everybody.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It is what it is.
I mean, that's pretty much ourtake on, like that's, that's
what this podcast is about.
It is what it is and don't beyour worst.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
And what the cat.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I always tell people don't be a dick.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Don't be a frozen Internet, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
OK, I have literally never had an issue with my
Internet, ever on a podcast, andso never had an issue with my
internet ever on a podcast.
And so this is where I'm likeI'm convinced it's you guys,
you're the problem.
The bar was too low over thereapparently I haven't listened to
enough of your episodes becauseI didn't realize it was this

(56:14):
chaotic oh yeah, I know it'salways this chaotic.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
We're just like talk about just you know, random shit
, that whatever bothers you, orthat sort of stuff so it's like
therapy it's a pretty much.
It's a mix of like here's somegood tips and also I know you
feel shitty because of all thisstuff and we're just gonna yell
about it, so we feel better haveyou ever been to like at the uh

(56:39):
, the smash room, those thingsare fucking dope.
I want to do one of those oneday.
So they just give you a giantsledgehammer.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
No, I haven't done one.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I could see you thriving in there oh, that would
be great, like just smashingany old, like things that are
gonna get busted anyway.
You know, whatever thrown out,that would be great yep, that's
it.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
There you go.
You can tell your wifevalentine's day present, that's
what you guys?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I don't tell my wife anything.
It's, it's a, it's a troubledsituation.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
So I think that's a really good exercise.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It would be a great exercise and you know, like you
know, how much energy you getout doing that.
Forget, forget steps.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
There you go smashing plates if you guys can't afford
it, just go for your ex's car.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Kidding, not kidding.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I'm kidding, don't go to jail.
I'm not condoning this.
Don't say I said that.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
You sounded like it came from a place that you may
have known about.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I would never have done that in my past life.
I'm too scared to do that.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
No, I'm scared of getting in trouble.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
But you thought about it.
Doing that to an ex's car, no,doing that to a kind of-.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Convenient internet freeze just as we're asking the
hard questions.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
No To an ex's car, no To a questionable ex best
friend probably liam's likethere's a lot to unpack there I
think I'm almost too positivefor liam liam's like I can't
handle this.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
We need to get her to like well, I think part of it's
the internet freezing.
We have these moments where wehave to sit here for like 10
seconds and we're just like andthen we just kind of guess.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
We kind of just guess what happened.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
You're like what's going on?
I'm still here.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
We've just lost our flow.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I was going to say, now that the internet's actually
being good, you guys are likewe have nothing.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
This is going to be a nightmare to edit.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
The first beginning wasn't too bad, it just slowly,
I think at the end there.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah, got worse.
It could sense Liam's rage.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Just put in my rants and then cut everything else out
.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Just like put those in there and then be like you
know, Like I'll just cut me andAlex out.
The entire thing will be youranting back to back.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Literally, I would go in and just be like we had
technical issues.
So I'm just gonna give liamranting for like 10 minutes and
just like more than 10 minutes,come on, I think.
Well, no, out of like 30minutes there are 10 of at least
10.
15 of it was half of.
It was just me ranting.
Um, okay, so we weren't justtalking to a bunch there about
what to talk about to finishthis up.
So what we actually wanted totalk about was how we always get

(59:21):
it where people just say likehey, I had a bad day, like what
do I do?
And so like what I always tellthem is like, okay, there's 364,
364.
We're in a leap year, aren't wein a leap?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
year, or was that last year?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I don't know, in a leap year, yes, so there's like
365 more days you get an extraday, hey, that day this year
doesn't even matter, it's duringa leap year, it so there's like
365 more days you get an extraday.
Hey, that day this year doesn'teven matter, it's during a leap
year, doesn't fucking evenmatter.
So you have.
You have all this time to getback into what you were doing,
like it just, alex, I need youto rant with me a little bit.
You're too positive, I'm gonnabring you down.
I need you to go to people andtell them, like in a bit of a

(59:58):
rant here, that it's okay, it'sfine to have.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Let me get some popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I'm just gonna be rob's going to drink his
mountain dew zero because that'sthe only diet soda he's allowed
to have in canada.
And alex, true story.
I need you to tell people, thepeople that are always dming me
about how I had a bad day.
What do I do?
That it's gonna be fine, okay.
Okay, you had a bad day so it's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I do that, it's going to be fine, okay.
Okay, you had a bad day, soit's going to be fine.
Why are you stressing yourselfout?
You missed one day.
That doesn't mean that youcan't do anything today or the
next meal or the next thoughtthat you have.
You can be a little kinder toyourself.
You can go to the gym, you cango on a walk.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
This is good, but a little higher.
Yell more Higher pitch Moreyelling, you know, volume,
volume, more, volume, go, go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I'm trying to beat you where you're at, you're fine
, you're fine.
No, a little more volume.
Go, go, go.
You never miss twice.
That is the rule that you haveto have for yourself.
Stop holding yourself back andmaking excuses and saying that
I'm not perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
More swearing.
Throw some fucks in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I can't believe.
I fucking messed up today andso now I'm a fucking failure.
You're not a fucking failure,you're being way harder on
yourself than you need to be.
So suck it up, go make the nextdecision something that you're
actually going to be fuckingproud of and then get over it.
It's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
It's not that big of a fucking deal.
It's cool, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's fine, never miss place.
All right, it's never missed.
Tomorrow is another day, it no?
You can literally do somethingtoday.
Liam just gave you an excuse,I'm setting the bar too low.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Now alex is coming up to raise the bar.
You had one bad moment.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
The next moment is yours go, take the moment and
take a step outside.
You just won the day.
Go yell outside, just go shout.
There you go.
Did I rant?
Well enough, I'm so sweatyright now.
Is that what happens when yourant?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
This is why I'm so lean.
It's because I fucking yell, ifyou want to be lean go yell at
people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
If you want to lose weight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Get angry at life.
Beat you got to get angry.
You want to be lean, get upsetabout things.
You got to get angry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You got to get mean If you can dodge a wrench you
can dodge a ball Like the WWEtitle.
If you can dodge Bobby, you candodge a bad diet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yes, there we go On a shirt Coming at you.
They're making a dodgeball too,we might get sued.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Rob's just sitting here crying about how bad the
audio is going to be to edit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
It's fine.
He told me to shout, they'llhear what they hear it doesn't
matter, they'll get the pointbecause we yelled enough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
That's how you get people to believe what you're
saying.
You say it with enoughconviction.
Yes, am I?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
allowed to, and you slam your fist on the desk.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Did I do it.
That was great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You did it.
Do you guys believe me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I love it.
I can rant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I used to act.
It's all fake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I love it.
I can rant, I used to act, it'sall fake, oh shit.
But in all seriousness, I thinkpeople are way too mean to
themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, I agree, I'm going to leave it on that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
That's why I literally tell people all the
time.
I'm like don't be a dick,especially to yourself.
Yeah, Love it.
It's that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Life's that simple, yeah.
If you're gonna be a dick, goon the internet and do it in
comments.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Wow, like a normal person I wonder if that's where
they got the drinking urine fromdodgeball.
I didn't even think about that.
Patches, oh, hula man, hedrinks his own urine longer than
that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I think drinking urine's been around a long time
2005.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'm aging myself, but it's fine, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Oh, you're still younger than both of us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
That doesn't tell you my age at all.
You have no idea how old I am.
Well actually.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
You just had your birthday.
How many days ago was it?
It was recently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
You might be thinking this is an actual gem that you
should include.
I lie about my birthday on alot of the apps and things.
So then that way, randomlythroughout the year, I get free
coffee.
Oh so that's my cheat code.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Well then.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I put that on my story.
I don't lie about it onInstagram because that does
nothing for me.
But you want a cheat code tohave like a great day.
Randomly, you get a text andyou're like birthday, you're
welcome.
Uh, no, I did just turn 30 infebruary see, I, I like that
post.
I knew you had done it he'slike I wished you a happy
birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I know it happened I didn't see you wishing me a
happy birthday when wascanadians don't have birthdays.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
A trying to guilt her .

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
When was your birthday?
Canadians don't have birthdays.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Hey, I'm trying to guilt her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
When was your birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Oh, it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Okay, are you a Gemini, a Leo, a hippopotamus?
No, I'm just kidding, don't putthat in the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
A hippopotamus.
I'm the hippopotamus-apotomist.
My lyrics are bottomless.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
What is that from?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
That is from Flight of the Conchords.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
There we go Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Great band, look them up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I know who.
Oh, you're telling other peoplethat I was like I know who they
are.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
They're funny, you're like everybody, Go watch the
show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I forgot that we're on a show because I'm like hey
guys, did you learn somethingtoday?
Do you feel better aboutyourself?
Do you hate Bobby a little bitmore?

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
The Internet's been fine so you can't blame me, okay
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I was literally just like the Internet's been fine,
so you can't blame me for thelull right now.
Listen, we are white men.
We can blame whoever we want,for whatever reason, as long as
we say with enough conviction.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Are you aware of what day and age you're in you, you
lost the power.
We are all taking it back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Us brown women, we're taking over oh shit, we're
gonna hold on to as much powerfor as long as we can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
You'll take it from our dying grass?
Are you guys both over six feettoo?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Oh wow, you guys just fit the mold of the most Six
foot three hetero maleAttractive fit Wow.
I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
As long as I yell about it, people will listen to
me.
Attractive is up to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
It's my choice to use it for good.
Okay, it is attractive is up toit's my choice to use it for
good.
Okay, it is my choice to use itfor good and I've chosen that
rob's like I'm staying out ofthis attractive is a matter of
opinion, no comment, like robanyways.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
So alex, where can people find you?
I don't think anyone's gonnawant to find me after this, like
Robert, anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
So, alex, where can people find you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I don't think anyone's going to want to find
me after this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
You can tell them where to find you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I'm on all platforms, even though TikTok is getting
banned.
I'm on the Alex Allen on all ofthem.
I know it sounds pretentious.
It's because my twin brotherand I decided that that's what
we were going to call ourselvesonline, and so we did it.
And also Alex Allen is a verycommon name, unfortunately.
So you're the you guysliterally just happened to
freeze at that time.

(01:07:08):
No way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
More like the internet isn't working.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
I was like what are the odds that it just froze at
that moment?
It's fine, and it's freezingagain.
It was on a good little.
It was good for a little bitthere.
It was fine, it made it.